"We are the bridge that can make the trust between the system and the association that can make the trust become more vivid."

Episode Summary

The swimming champion had been waiting tables for months.

Nobody in the official integration system had bothered to ask the right question.

They wanted to know about his qualifications, his work history, and his Swedish language skills. All the bureaucratic boxes that fit neatly into government forms.

But when Mikael Johansson's team met him, they asked something different: "What did you do in your spare time?"

That question changed everything. University swimming champion in Syria. Youth coach. Skills that had nothing to do with his CV and everything to do with what Malmö's community needed.

One training session with a local swimming club later, they hired him immediately. His Swedish wasn't perfect, but his skills were exactly what they were looking for.

This is the story of Föreningslots Malmö—literally "Association Guide," but "lots" means tugboat. The small, powerful boats that guide massive ships safely into harbour. That metaphor isn't accidental.

Mikael runs a model that challenges everything we think we know about integration, networking, and how communities work.

Since 1945, Malmö Ideella has been the umbrella organisation for approximately 300-400 member associations, including churches, football clubs, and educational groups.

When refugees started arriving in larger numbers, they didn't just process them through government systems. They created tugboats.

Malmö sits connected to Copenhagen by a bridge, and 185 different countries are represented in one place.

However, what makes it remarkable is that when newcomers arrive, they are not interrogated about their past. They get asked about their dreams.

The ResMove project takes this further, connecting refugees specifically to coworking spaces across Europe.

Not just for the workspace, but for the networks, mentorship, and community connections that make landing in a new country possible.

What emerges is a working alternative to the polarisation and exclusion that defines so much of our current moment. It's messy, human, and surprisingly effective.

Timeline Highlights

[01:08] Setting impossible standards: "I want to be known for having written the world's best novel ever"

[02:03] Malmö revealed: Sweden's third-largest city, bridge to Copenhagen, "185 different countries representing Malmö"

[04:45] From project to permanence: Föreningslots started as asylum seeker support, became essential infrastructure

[06:43] Historical roots: "We started in 1945, in the aftermath of the Second World War"

[08:36] The crucial difference: "Associations don't ask questions about things that maybe are hard to talk about"

[10:51] The bridge principle: "We are the bridge that can make the trust between the system and the association"

[13:46] ResMove's mission: "I see the coworking spaces like a catalyst for these people"

[17:19] Bernie's Faceworks connection: LinkedIn profiles vs CVs and why community matters more

[19:54] The swimming champion revelation: "We asked him about what you do in your spare time"

[22:12] Network multiplication: "If we could help them get more contacts that have more contacts themselves"

[24:50] The tugboat metaphor: "Föreningslots" means association guide, "lots" means tugboat

[26:07] Facing invisible barriers: "There are obstacles when it comes to the economy", and hidden norms

[28:16] Two-way transformation: "We will also help the coworking spaces to be more inclusive"

[29:18] Bernie's insight about feeling seen: "You have to go and invite people one by one"

The Questions Nobody Asks

Government integration programmes ask the wrong questions. They want qualifications, work history, and language proficiency. All the official stuff that fits into databases and funding reports.

Mikael's team asks: "What did you do in your spare time?"

That shift in curiosity revealed a Syrian university swimming champion who'd also coached youth. His Swedish wasn't perfect, but his skills were exactly what the local swimming club needed. After one training session, they hired him immediately.

"No one had asked him about what he had done when he was studying or working; they just asked about those things," Mikael explains. "But we asked him about what you do in your spare time."

The lesson extends beyond refugee integration. Most networking fails because we lead with credentials instead of curiosity about what people actually love doing.

Bernie recognises this from his work in London: "So many people have got jobs they wouldn't apply for, but they've just been in the room and hit it off with someone."

You can't teach networking, but you can create conditions that foster it naturally.

Why Associations Beat Bureaucracy

"Associations don't ask questions about things that maybe are hard to talk about," Mikael explains with quiet conviction.

When you've fled your country, the last thing you need is another interrogation about your past.

Government systems demand documentation, explanations, and proof of who you were before your world fell apart.

Football clubs care about whether you can coach kids. Churches want to know if you play an instrument. Educational groups need help with accounting. The barriers to entry are human-sized, not institutional.

"In general, the associations are much more welcoming to newcomers," Mikael notes. They operate on trust and contribution, not paperwork and background checks.

This insight cuts deeper than refugee work. It reveals how real community integration works for anyone landing somewhere new, whether you're fleeing war or just moving for work.

The Tugboat Principle

Bernie gets visibly excited when Mikael explains the metaphor: "I'm above average excited about that, folks, because here in Vigo, a lot of big container ships and cruise liners come in all the day... There's all these tugboats in the Bay of Vigo guiding these bigger boats in all the time."

Föreningslots translates as "Association Guide," but "lots" specifically means tugboat.

Not the tourist guide you'd hire for sightseeing, but the small, powerful boat that guides massive ships safely into harbour.

Malmö Ideella acts as the tugboat for 300-400 member associations. They know which football club needs a coach, which church group needs someone who speaks Arabic, and which educational association could use help with numbers. Government systems don't have this granular knowledge of community needs.

"We know the associations," Mikael explains. "So we are the bridge that can make the trust between the system and the association that can make the trust become more vivid."

The tugboat doesn't do the work of the big ship. It ensures the boat reaches its destination without colliding with anything.

The Network Multiplication Effect

"If we could help them get more contacts that have more contacts themselves, so the person gets a bigger network, then we have done even more than maybe a lot of governmental bodies are doing."

This is where Mikael's model transcends traditional integration work. It's not about finding one job or making one connection.

It's about connecting people to networks that multiply opportunities naturally.

The swimming coach didn't just get hired. He gained access to the entire swimming community in Malmö—parents, other coaches, sports administrators, and people who might need his skills in completely different contexts.

Bernie connects this to his experience with Urban MBA in London: "You can't teach networking.

You have to let it happen with people, and throwing people together to bump into each other is one of the best things groups like yours can do."

The Invisible Barriers Problem

Even in welcoming communities, obstacles exist. Economic barriers—you can't join the opera if you can't afford tickets. Social barriers—golf clubs with expensive membership fees. Cultural barriers—the invisible norms that nobody explains but everyone's expected to know.

"There are obstacles when it comes to the economy," Mikael acknowledges. "But there is also a challenge when you want to play golf, for example. So there are some obstacles."

Then there's the deeper issue: "We have the problem with the norms in both the society and the association. Both the visible norms and the invisible norms."

Mikael's insight: "We cannot just say that we go to an association and be a part of an activity... We must also do the other part to help the association become even more open."

Integration is a two-way street. Communities need to examine their own assumptions about accessibility, rather than expecting newcomers to figure everything out.

What Coworking Spaces Can Learn

The ResMove project connects refugees to coworking spaces across Europe, but it's not just about access to workspace.

"I see the coworking spaces like a catalyst for these people," Mikael explains. Not just a place to work, but where dreams become achievable through human connections.

Where someone might find a mentor who knows how to start a company, or a collaborator who needs their specific language skills.

The model challenges coworking operators to think beyond membership fees and hot desks.

How do you become a tugboat for your community? How do you create conditions for organic networking rather than forced networking events?

Bernie's connection to Faceworks illustrates this perfectly. When Ukrainian refugees arrived in London, well-meaning volunteers tried to teach CV writing. But CVs are intimidating in any language, let alone a second one.

What worked was LinkedIn profile workshops—more informal, more visual, more aligned with how people find opportunities now.

The Two-Way Transformation

"We will also help the coworking spaces to be more inclusive," Mikael explains.

The ResMove project isn't just about helping refugees access coworking—it's about helping coworking spaces understand how to be genuinely welcoming.

This acknowledges something most inclusion efforts miss: the problem isn't just that marginalised people don't know how to access opportunities. It's that the opportunities weren't designed with them in mind.

Bernie captures this in his observation about feeling seen: "It's one thing to say everybody's welcome, but you have to go and invite people one by one and not announce things.

Go and ask people, go and let people know they are welcome rather than just emailing them."

Broadcasting welcome messages isn't enough. Real inclusion happens through individual invitation, personal attention, and genuine curiosity about what people bring to the table.

Beyond Refugee Integration

What makes Mikael's model powerful is how it reveals the mechanics of community integration for everyone. The Syrian swimming coach's story isn't just about helping refugees—it's about how we all find our place in new communities.

Most of us have been the newcomer somewhere. Starting a new job, moving to a new city, joining a new community.

The feeling of not knowing the invisible rules, not understanding how things work, not knowing who to talk to or how to contribute.

The questions that unlock belonging aren't about credentials. They're about curiosity: What do you love doing? What are you good at? What would you do if resources weren't a constraint?

When Mikael says associations "strengthen the person's belief... in getting more contacts that can help them maybe fulfil a dream," he's describing something universal.

We all need places where our contributions matter, where our skills are valued, and where our dreams are taken seriously.

The Historical Thread

Malmö Ideella started in 1945, "in the aftermath of the Second World War, and a lot of people came from different parts of Europe to Malmö, and then a lot of youth associations wanted to create more activities for these youth."

The refugee crisis didn't create the model—it revealed the enduring wisdom of it. For nearly 80 years, this city has been figuring out how to welcome newcomers through association life rather than bureaucratic processing.

What worked for displaced Europeans in 1945 continues to work for Syrian refugees in 2024. The technology changes, the languages change, but the human need for belonging, contribution, and community remains constant.

The Catalyst Principle

"I see the coworking spaces like a catalyst for these people," Mikael says about ResMove participants. Not a destination, but an accelerator for whatever they're trying to achieve.

This reframes our entire perspective on the workspace. It's not about providing desks and WiFi. It's about creating conditions where dreams become achievable through human connections.

The Syrian swimming coach found his place through a sports club, not a coworking space. But the principle is the same: match people's gifts with community needs, create opportunities for organic networking, and remove barriers to participation.

What This Means for Community Builders

Mikael's work offers a blueprint for anyone building community, whether it's refugee integration, coworking space management, or neighbourhood organising.

Start with the right questions. Ask about dreams and spare time activities, not just qualifications and work history.

Understand your role as a tugboat. You're not doing the work for people—you're helping them navigate safely to where they can do their own work.

Address barriers honestly. Economic obstacles, social norms, invisible rules—acknowledge them and actively work to remove them.

Think two-way. Don't just help newcomers adapt to your community; help them thrive. Help your community become a more genuinely welcoming place.

Focus on network multiplication. One good connection leads to many others. Your job is to create the first connection and trust the network effects.

Links & Resources

Mikael Johansson's Work

* Föreningslots Malmö: Association guide and refugee integration model

* Malmö Ideella: Umbrella organisation for 300-400 associations since 1945

* Nobel21: Additional project work

* Mikael Johansson on LinkedIn

Projects & Community

* European Coworking Day

* London Coworking Assembly

* European Coworking Assembly

Bernie's Projects

* AI for Coworking Quiz: Free assessment tool for coworking spaces

* Coworking Values Podcast: LinkedIn showcase page

* LinkedIn Coworking Group: 8,000+ member community

* Workspace Design Show: February trade show and conference in London

* Unreasonable Connection Events: Monthly online gatherings for coworking operators

* Bernie's LinkedIn: Connect directly

One More Thing

Coworking brings communities together, helping people find and share their voices.

Each episode of the Coworking Values Podcast explores Accessibility, Community, Openness, Collaboration, and Sustainability—values that shape the spaces where we gather, work, and grow.

If this resonates with you, rate, follow, and share the podcast. Your support helps others discover how coworking enriches lives, builds careers, and strengthens communities.

Community is the key 🔑

"It's not necessarily your boss telling you to do yoga, but yourself thinking that if you don't do yoga, if you don't do these networking events, you might not be as good as you would like at your job."

The wellness class ends.

Everyone rolls up their mats, checks their phones, and heads back to their desks. Productivity restored. Focus recharged. Another tool in the productivity arsenal.

But what happens when yoga stops being about you and starts being about your quarterly targets?

Dr. Adèle Gruen has spent years immersed in coworking spaces, observing how community activities evolve into business development opportunities.

Her research reveals something uncomfortable: the very things that should restore us—yoga, networking events, communal meals—are being weaponised for work.

As Junior Professor at Université Paris Dauphine-PSL, Adèle's 2021 paper "Customer Work Practices and the Productive Third Place" mapped how coffee shops became work accelerators.

Her latest research on "Consumptive Work in Coworking" exposes how coworking spaces turn everything—from baking classes to meditation—into productivity tools.

It isn't about corporate wellness programmes imposed from above. It's about the pressure we put on ourselves to turn every moment into a work opportunity. Adèle calls it "neo-normative alienation"—when you become your productivity overseer.

Currently researching urban foraging ("I like weird stuff and I like people who do unexpected things"), Adèle embeds herself in the communities she studies. She attends workshops, learns skills, and spends hours understanding how people work and live.

This conversation reveals the collision between two worlds: the traditional third place, which built community through leisure, and the emerging "productive third place," where everything becomes work.

For coworking operators, it's a mirror.

For community builders, it serves as a warning.

For anyone who has ever felt guilty for not networking at a yoga class, it's validation.

Timeline Highlights

[01:29] The research curiosity that drives everything: "I like weird stuff and I like people who do unexpected things"

[06:26] Why academic literature got third places wrong: "We didn't buy this discourse that people who worked in cafés were only silencing it"

[09:52] The birth of "customer-workers": "We played around with cost worker or work customer... how do you do when there is no word to describe what you're seeing?"

[12:56] Professional identity performance: "They advertise themselves as working in that space... they benefit from the imaginaries of that coworking space brand"

[15:28] Bernie's realisation about the productivity machine: "It feels like you go to work, you go through the door, and you never have to leave"

[17:57] The self-imposed pressure trap: "It's not necessarily your boss telling you to do yoga, but yourself thinking that if you don't do yoga... you might not be as good"

[18:49] The burnout solution that creates more burnout: "The solution was to propose more meditation and wellness within the space. It's a never-ending circle"

[20:10] community as marketplace: "Community enables them to sell better... the bigger the coworking space, the bigger the community, the more it resembles a market"

[22:14] The proximity economy: "70% of people in coworking spaces said their business came from the people sitting near them"

[24:46] work as lifestyle aspiration: "At least your work is more fun and you're not stuck behind a desk"

[26:19] The exclusion problem: "A lot of people cannot engage in after-work networking events, especially if they involve alcohol"

[27:16] What's next: "Part-time consultant, part-time farmer... people who work differently in the new ways of working"

The Customer-Worker Revolution

The coffee shop wars began with a simple observation that academics had overlooked entirely.

"We didn't buy this discourse that was saying basically that people who worked in cafés were only silencing it and being very detrimental to the cafés," Adèle explains. The research establishment viewed these laptop warriors as parasites destroying the social fabric of third places.

But something more complex was happening. Ray Oldenburg's "third place"—spaces dedicated to socialising between home and work—was evolving. Customer-workers weren't just exploiting coffee shops; they were transforming them into "productive third places" that actively cater to work whilst maintaining social energy.

The language gap reveals the shift: "We played around with cost worker or work customer... how do you do when there is no word to describe what you're seeing in your data?"

When you need to invent words, you know something fundamental is changing.

The Professional Identity Marketplace

Here's where coworking spaces become something more sophisticated than laptop squatting.

"They advertise themselves as working in that space, and some of the coworking spaces have a very powerful brand," Adèle notes. "Independent workers benefit from the imaginaries of that coworking space brand that trickles down to their own business."

Bernie recognises this immediately: "I know people that have said they work in some of those places... they will go, 'Oh, we're in the same office as X company' or 'Yes, we're in the same building as the BBC.'"

This isn't proximity bragging—it's strategic identity construction. Coworking spaces serve as platforms for professional legitimacy, particularly for independent workers who lack traditional institutional credentials.

The brand association works both ways. Members gain credibility from prestigious coworking brands, whilst spaces cultivate reputations that attract high-value members. It's an upward spiral of perceived status.

But it creates exclusions based on who can afford premium spaces and who understands how to leverage brand associations for business development.

The Consumptive Work Trap

Bernie's realisation cuts to the heart of the transformation: "It feels like you go to work, you go through the door, and you never have to leave. There's this industrial productivity machine going on."

This is "consumptive work"—the strategic use of consumption activities for work purposes. Yoga classes become focus sessions. Baking workshops become networking events. Communal meals become business development opportunities.

"When they do yoga, it's also about finding productivity and focus. When you attend a baking class, it's also for networking, business development," Adèle explains. "What we are showing is that when you take work into these leisure activities or wellness activities, it becomes work, and then you're not doing it for its own sake."

The psychology is insidious. It's not corporate mandates forcing you to network over cocktails. It's the pressure you put on yourself.

"It's not necessarily your boss telling you to do yoga, but yourself thinking that if you don't do yoga, if you don't do these networking events, you might not be as good as you would like at your job."

This is "neo-normative alienation"—when you become your productivity overseer.

The Burnout Feedback Loop

The solution to burnout in coworking spaces reveals the depth of the problem.

"Some of the coworking managers were very much aware of the burnout situation," Adèle observes. "But the solution was to propose more meditation and wellness within the space. It's a never-ending circle."

More wellness becomes more work. More community pressure becomes more pressure. The very things meant to restore us become another performance metric.

When consumption becomes strategic, it ceases to be restorative. When community becomes commerce, it ceases to be a community.

Community as Market

The bigger the space, the more transactional it becomes.

"Community enables them to sell better," Adèle explains. "The bigger the coworking space, the bigger the community, the more it resembles a market, a market for work."

Bernie shares the statistics that prove it: "70% of people in coworking spaces said their business came from the people sitting near them, and it was proximity. I'd be on the phone, I'd be like, 'Oh, yes, you need a videographer?' And, Adèle, yeah, because you're there and I know you, you get the job."

The platforms amplify this effect. Digital tools enable members to "scan and find someone very quickly," creating what one developer called a "business enablement platform."

But size changes everything. Smaller spaces foster more authentic community, though with fewer business outcomes. Larger spaces become more efficient markets but lose genuine connection.

The Lifestyle Deception

Something deeper lurks beneath these work transformations.

"Our respondents also expect work to be more like leisure," Adèle observes. "There is a sense of, I know I'm doing that, but at least it's part of this lifestyle aspiration that work is becoming a lifestyle in a way. Fluid."

Bernie connects this to his own experience: "No one makes me work 9-to-5 somewhere. I always tell people to do calls on WhatsApp because I can walk and talk, and I walk around the park here doing calls, and it's just way nicer."

The fluidity feels empowering until you realise the boundaries have dissolved entirely. Work expands to fill every space and activity. Leisure becomes strategic. Community becomes commerce.

The promise is freedom. The reality is total absorption.

The Inclusion Crisis

The most damaging aspect isn't burnout—it's exclusion.

"A lot of people cannot engage in after-work networking events, especially if they involve alcohol," Adèle notes. "People who are parents, particularly mothers... those who cannot go in crazy work hours or who are in a bit of a more rigid work contract."

Bernie recognises this pattern: "For some reason in 2025, men have to stay out and women have to go home, which I don't agree with, but it's odd how that is a thing."

The alcohol issue compounds the problem: "I don't drink... I would rather go for a delicious coffee than sit in a pub."

When community-building relies on after-hours events, consumption activities, and lifestyle alignment, it systematically excludes individuals based on their family responsibilities, religious practices, health conditions, and economic constraints.

The spaces that claim to be most inclusive—offering everything from yoga to cocktail classes—often create the most sophisticated exclusions.

What This Means for Coworking Operators

Adèle's research offers a crucial takeaway for space operators: "It's important to discuss how you make these events accessible to all of the workers within the coworking space, especially those who cannot go in crazy work hours or who are in a bit of a more rigid work contract."

The solution isn't to eliminate community activities or wellness programmes. It's to acknowledge that they're becoming work and design accordingly.

Some activities need to remain purely social, purely human, purely about connection without an agenda. At times, in specific settings, and during certain conversations, it's necessary to resist the urge to be productive.

The future belongs to spaces that can hold complexity—productive and social, individual and collective, professional and human.

Beyond Coworking: Where the Research Goes Next

Adèle's curiosity doesn't stop at coworking spaces.

Currently researching urban foraging, she's also investigating "people who work from home in the service industry": "If you're a hairdresser and you turn your house into a hair salon, but you have to manage your kids and your clients at the same time."

Another project examines "part-time consultant, part-time farmer" combinations—people choosing "pluri-activity that involves farming."

"I keep on looking at people who work differently in the new ways of working, but I try to make the move towards a bit more of the ecological transition within that and sustainability."

The through-line is clear: Adèle studies people who work differently, who refuse conventional boundaries, who create new ways of organising life and labour.

Her work reveals that the future of work isn't just about flexibility or productivity—it's about fundamental questions of how we want to live, what we value, and how we structure society around human flourishing rather than economic efficiency.

🔗 Links & Resources

Adèle Gruen's Work

* "Customer Work Practices and the Productive Third Place" (Journal of Service Research, 2021)

* "Consumptive Work in Coworking: Using Consumption Strategically for Work" (Journal of Consumer Research, 2025)

* Adèle’s Google Scholar Profile: Complete research publications and citations

* Adèle on LinkedIn

Research Community

* Research Group for Collaborative Spaces (RGCS): Academic network studying new ways of working

Bernie's Projects

* AI for Coworking Quiz: Free assessment tool for coworking spaces

* London Coworking Assembly: Regular community events and networking

* Unreasonable Connection: Monthly online gatherings for coworking operators

* Coworking Values Podcast on LinkedIn

* Bernie's LinkedIn: Connect directly

Industry Events & Resources

* European Freelancers Week: September networking and education

* Workspace Design Show London: February trade show and conference

* Coworking LinkedIn Group: 8,000+ member community

🧠 One More Thing

Coworking brings communities together, helping people find and share their voices.

Each episode of the Coworking Values Podcast explores Accessibility, Community, Openness, Collaboration, and Sustainability—values that shape the spaces where we gather, work, and grow.

If this resonates with you, rate, follow, and share the podcast. Your support helps others discover how coworking enriches lives, builds careers, and strengthens communities.

Community is the key 🔑

What happens when you lose your workspace, your routine, and your community?

In this deeply human episode, Bernie and Lucy McInally crack open what real community feels like inside a Coworking space—and what gets lost when pricing, scale, or disconnection takes over.

Lucy shares how running grassroots freelancer meetups in London helped her understand the difference between surface-level connection and true belonging.

From trying to book overpriced rooms in Shoreditch to recreating the TownSq magic, her stories hit a nerve.

They discuss what independent Coworking operators still miss about freelancers, how the cost-of-living crisis is quietly pushing people out of shared spaces, and why hosting doesn’t scale in the same way as real estate does.

If you’ve ever felt the buzz of a “cool table,” wondered how to recreate that Pixie Dust in your space—or mourned the loss of it—you need this conversation.

Timeline Highlights

[00:05] Emily’s intro to Unreasonable Connection

[00:27] Bernie and Lucy catch up after a year of change

[01:08] Lucy introduces The Inclusive Coworker and her journey

[02:44] Inclusion vs. affordability: the tension in London Coworking

[05:50] Freelancers in crisis: rates, rent, and value misalignment

[09:16] Why Lucy started her freelancer meetups in Shoreditch

[12:24] Connection builds confidence: the power of being seen

[14:50] Cake, coffee, and a sense of belonging

[17:09] Anna from TownSq: When a community manager becomes your anchor

[22:59] Wigan: a community looking for a Coworking space

[24:16] Can community really be designed—or does it just emerge?

[26:55] Why Coworking feels more like a restaurant than a scalable asset

[30:10] Social battery drain and the cost of over-connection

[31:26] The Inclusive Coworker: Substack as a storytelling platform

[35:05] Tony from New Work Cities and the early Coworking spark

[36:40] Where to find Lucy online

Detailed Episode Breakdown

Inclusion isn’t just policy—it’s affordability, too

Lucy highlights the tension between talk and reality in London: numerous coworking spaces discuss inclusion, but their pricing excludes the very freelancers they claim to support.

Freelancer-led meetups aren’t events—they’re survival.

Lucy explains how a need for connection became a movement.

When she couldn’t afford local spaces, she brought people together in cafes and hotels, forming bonds that built confidence and community.

TownSq magic and the myth of scale

Together, Lucy and Bernie reflect on their time at TownSq: how it felt like family, and how that feeling disappears when people leave or spaces grow too big.

Some things don’t scale.

The Wigan model: community before real estate

Bernie shares the Weave Coworking story—where people started gathering before the building even opened.

A reminder that you don’t always need the space first.

Why hosting is sacred—and under-practised

Lucy touches on the rare gift of being truly welcomed.

It’s not in job descriptions. It’s in how people show up. And too many spaces get this wrong.

The Inclusive Coworker: making space for stories

Lucy’s Substack is about giving voice to those shaping coworking from the inside. It’s writing with weight—about belonging, access, and design that fits real life.

Links & Resources

* The Inclusive Coworker on Substack

* Lucy McInally on LinkedIn

* 🎙️Design Isn’t Enough - Alex Young

* 🎙️"The Science of Flexibility." - Denise Brouder

Recurring Links

* Coworking Values Podcast on LinkedIn

* Register for European Coworking Day

* Visit the Workspace Design Show

* Join the 8k+ LinkedIn Coworking Group

* Connect with Bernie on LinkedIn

* Unreasonable Connection – Lu.ma

One More Thing

Coworking brings communities together, helping people find and share their voices.

Each episode of the Coworking Values Podcast explores Accessibility, Community, Openness, Collaboration, and Sustainability—values that shape the spaces where we gather, work, and grow.

Rate, follow, and share the podcast if this resonates with you.

Your support amplifies our reach, helping others discover how coworking enriches lives, builds careers, and strengthens communities.

🔑 Community is the key

Planting Ideas and Growing Communities with Chauntelle Lewis: A Dive into Sustainable Living and Coworking Values

Summary:

In this Belongfulness Project episode of the Coworking Values Podcast, host Tony Bacigalupo chats with Chauntelle Lewis, also known as the Bearfoot Planter.

Chauntelle shares her inspiring journey from conceptualising sustainable garden workshops to creating community-centric dining experiences.

In this episode, you'll see how personal passions can evolve into impactful enterprises while aligning with coworking's core values—community, openness, collaboration, accessibility, and sustainability.

Episode Highlights:

- Tony introduces the five core values of coworking and welcomes Chauntelle Lewis, the Bearfoot Planter.

- Chauntelle describes the origin of the Bearfoot Planter and how an offhand comment led to a sustainable business idea.

- The brand name’s significance and the shift from a casual hobby to a community-focused enterprise.

Chauntelle discusses her background in ADEI and community management and how a pivot in her career led to her full-time pursuit of her passion.

- Launching the Bearfoot Planter during a financial struggle and the role of a supportive network in bringing the idea to life.

- Details of Chauntelle’s first workshop at a coworking space, showcasing the alignment of coworking values with personal initiatives.

- Financial challenges and strategic decisions in growing a community-focused business.

- The expansion into sustainable dining experiences and partnerships with local chefs and businesses.

- Chauntelle’s vision for the Bearfoot Planter as a full-time endeavor and her role as an Impact Entrepreneur.

- How networking and community support have been pivotal in scaling her initiatives and creating more inclusive events.

Links & Resources:

- Visit the Bearfoot Planter website

- Follow Chauntelle on Instagram

- Connect with Chauntelle on Twitter/X

- Chauntelle Lewis LinkedIn

- Tony Bacigalupo on LinkedIn

- The Belongfulness Project

- Coworking LinkedIn Group

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In this thought-provoking episode, we sit down with Sarah, a pioneer in community building from Founders and Coders, to explore the nuanced distinctions between decentralized and centralized communities.

You will hear the transformative power of shared decision-making and equitable power distribution in fostering vibrant, sustainable communities.

Sarah shares her invaluable insights on crafting inclusive spaces that accommodate and celebrate diversity, ensuring that every voice is heard and influential.

This episode is helpful if you’re passionate about intentional community building and the delicate balance between equality and equity.

We also discuss the practicalities of launching and nurturing communities that thrive on collaboration, inclusivity, and co-creation in community spaces!

Episode Highlights to listen for:

- Introduction and overview of the episode’s focus on community building and power distribution.

- Sarah introduces herself and her role at Founders and Coders, highlighting her journey into decentralized community building.

- Deep dive into what decentralized communities mean and the importance of shared power.

- The challenges and strategies of starting community-centric initiatives like coworking spaces.

- Sarah’s approach to creating inclusive environments and the importance of selecting the right participants.

- Explaining the critical difference between equity and equality in community settings.

- Conducting effective user research to ensure community initiatives meet the needs of their members.

- The economic aspects of communities and how genuine community support differs from superficial engagement.

- Where to find Sarah online and information about Founders and Coders.

Links & Resources:

- Founders and Coders Website 

- Connect with Sarah Adefehinti on LinkedIn  

- Space4 Co-opreative Coworking Finsbury Park

- The Mom Test Book 

- Priya Parker The Art of Gathering 

- Marketing for Hippies 

- Rayon.Desgin tool 

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In today's episode, we chat with Laura Agnew from the Facework Group in Peckham, where she manages two unique coworking spaces.

Through affordability and community, Laura, Stephen and their team transform unconventional locations like a repurposed car park and a historic building into thriving hubs for diverse work and community use.

Tune in to discover how these spaces foster creativity and community in the ever-evolving world of work. 

Whether you're a startup founder, a local activist or a creative freelancer, this discussion will give you a fresh perspective on modern coworking environments.

Timeline of Highlights

00:17 Laura introduces herself and discusses her role in managing affordable coworking spaces.

01:16 Laura shares her aspirations and her hopeful outlook on life.

03:52 Insights into the daily operations at Faceworks and the unique setup at Peckham Levels and Hatcham House.

06:04 Comparison between the coworking spaces at Peckham and the historical Hatcham House.

-07:43 Discuss the impactful projects for refugees at Hatcham House.

12:17 Laura explains the Cowork Plus initiative and the importance of accessible coworking options.

15:27 The crucial role of hospitality in creating welcoming coworking environments.

18:18 Laura's personal motivation is driven by community and social mobility.

24:06 Where to find Laura online and more details about upcoming events.

Links & Resources

- Visit the Facework website to learn more about their services and community initiatives.

- Connect with Laura Agnew on LinkedIn

- London Coworking Assembly 

- European Coworking Day 

- LinkedIn Coworking Group

Remember, fixing everything depends on our joint efforts, values, and strong communities - community is the key!! 🔑

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The Renegades of Flow: Navigating Work and Life Beyond the Mainstream

What do we mean by 'renegades of flow?' 

What is our journey through work and life beyond the conventional paths, and how do we navigate our neurodiversity in the hustle of the modern world? 

Whether you're a freelancer, entrepreneur, or someone who just doesn't fit the traditional 9-to-5 mould, this episode is a testament to the unconventional paths that lead to success and fulfilment.

1:05 Welcome to our world, where we introduce the 'Renegades of Flow' concept and discuss what it means to live and work on the fringes, embracing our unique strengths and quirks.

2:06 - Emily shares the definitions of being renegades in our fields, focusing on creativity, flow, and the importance of fitting out rather than fitting in.

5:44 The challenges and advantages of coworking spaces for people with neurodiversity highlight the need for environments that foster productivity and creativity.

10:38 Our candid recounting of last week's chaos, where life threw us curveballs, and how we managed to keep the ship sailing, underscoring the value of having a solid partnership.

17:42 What tech and task management systems are in our workflow, and why is it crucial to adapt tools to fit individual needs rather than conform to a one-size-fits-all approach?

24:19 Why you must 'kill your darlings' in writing and business planning.

Links & Resources:

Scrum Methodology 

Getting Things Done - David Allen 

12 Week Year 

Amy MacDonald - Let's Start a Band 

Tom Ball - Founder Desk Lodge 

Upbase

AppSumo Software Deals

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Unveiling the Soul of Coworking with Iris Kavanaugh

Our co-creator for this episode is Rayon Design, a collaborative online design tool that is as easy to use as Canva or Miro. 

Welcome to a heartwarming journey into the essence of coworking, where we transcend beyond desks and Wi-Fi to uncover the profound impact coworking spaces have on community, creativity, and economic development. 

In this episode, the inspiring Iris Kavanaugh, who is an experienced

community builder, leadership coach, trainer and facilitator shares her transformative insights on leadership, community building, and the fundamental human need for connection. 

Join our conversation to explore how coworking spaces are not just places of work but catalysts for personal growth, community development, and a deeper understanding of ourselves.

00:14 - Discover Iris Kavanaugh's journey from NextSpace to becoming a beacon of inspiration for coworking space leaders.

02:02 - Iris illuminates the overlooked role of coworking spaces as pivotal community hubs and economic drivers.

03:50 - We ponder the existential question: Why do we pursue coworking, and how does it fulfil our intrinsic need for togetherness?

05:27 - Iris delves into coworking spaces' biological and emotional benefits, highlighting their ability to heal societal fractures and promote unity.

06:25 - How a space design plays a crucial role in how we interact in our spaces. 

07:13 - Challenging the hustle culture, we discuss the importance of nurturing environments over a grind mentality in coworking spaces.

08:44 - Iris shares her insights on co-working as a grassroots economic development engine, emphasizing its local and individual growth potential.

11:49 - Unpacking the secrets to fostering genuine connections and a thriving community within coworking spaces.

13:33 - This is a deep dive into designing psychologically safe spaces that unlock creativity and spark genuine collaboration.

19:13 - The delicate balance between hospitality and community ownership in coworking spaces and how to encourage member engagement without developing entitlement.

21:29 - Iris touches on the profound journey of self-discovery for coworking leaders and how understanding oneself enhances leadership and community building.

Links & Resources:

- NextSpace

- Women Who Cowork 

- Coworking Alliance Summit

- Fento Coworking

- Leading Well from Within by Dr. Daniel Friedland

- European Coworking Assembly 

- London Coworking Assembly

- Iris on Linkedin

Remember, the strength of our communities lies in our collective efforts and shared values. 

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Our co-creator for this episode is Rayon Design - whether you want to move the desks in your space around or build space from scratch, design your project for free here in Rayon today. 

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Welcome to our new series on the Coworking Values Podcast, where Emily and Bernie discuss productivity, resistance, and the transformative journey of work.

Known for her calm demeanour and ability to ground any situation, Emily shares her vision of helping people navigate through their work-related struggles, transforming the whirlwind of their daily tasks into a manageable breeze. 

Emily and Bernie share why they chose "Renegades of Flow," a term that encapsulates a quest for better work habits and the pursuit of aligning the metaphorical "team of horses" in our minds to achieve our goals more effectively.

00:00 Welcome to the new series, in which we introduce the theme "Renegate of Flow" with Emily, which focuses on enhancing work habits and productivity.

02:47- The genesis of "Renegades of Flow" and the journey from individual scrum mastery to tackling workflow challenges together.

05:11 - Discussing the concept of existential overhead, the emotional weight of pending tasks, and strategies to minimise its impact on our productivity.

08:33 - Emily shares insights on dealing with resistance, describing it as strength misapplied and the importance of self-compassion in overcoming creative blocks.

14:14 - The spectrum of resistance, from fear of failure to fear of success, and how to harness this energy positively.

18:00 - Strategies for disarming the critical voice and the transformative power of acknowledging and sharing our inner doubts.

20:27 - The role of structure and tools like Kanban boards in managing workflow and the significance of differentiating valuable ideas from distractions.

22:13 - Find out how to share your workflow struggles and successes, emphasizing the importance of community engagement and real-life problem-solving in upcoming episodes.

Reading list

Getting Things Done: The Art of Stress-Free Productivity - David Allen

Scrum: The art of doing twice the work in half the time - Jeff Sutherland 

As we embark on this journey together, I invite you to engage with us and share your challenges.

Together, let's navigate the path to more fulfilling and effective work habits.

Remember to rate, follow, share, and review our podcast if you've found this episode enlightening.

Your feedback supports our work and helps others discover the insights shared here today.

Stay tuned for more discussions that promise to inspire, challenge, and transform the way you work.

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Welcome to another episode of Coworking Values Podcast: Community is the Key series co-created by Salto, which brings you the latest on innovative thinking and advanced mobile-based access control technology for keyless buildings.

In this episode, we dive deep into the heart of coworking communities with the legendary Mattias from Coworking Bansko. 

Known for creating one of Europe's best-loved digital nomad hubs nestled in a picturesque mountain resort, Mattias shares his insights on what truly makes a community thrive. 

Whether you're a coworking space owner or a digital nomad seeking your tribe, this conversation sheds light on the essence of meaningful connections and how to cultivate them.

Episode Highlights:

0:27 The Spirit of Coworking Bansko: Discover how this digital nomad hub became a beacon for community-driven individuals seeking more than just a workspace.

1:14 Community at the Core: Mattias emphasises the role of community in coworking spaces, especially in rural settings where external distractions are minimal.

2:23 Beyond the Desk: Learn how Coworking Bansko fosters genuine human connections, transforming the coworking experience into something far more valuable than physical amenities.

4:47 Ecosystem Evolution: Mattias discusses creating a comprehensive experience for members through partnerships with local businesses, events, and initiatives tailored to the community's needs.

5:59 Engagement and Feedback: The importance of direct communication and observation in understanding and meeting the needs of your community.

9:18 Foundational Community Building: Insights on the crucial role of aligning a coworking space's vision with its community's desires and the significance of being an integral part of that community.

11:13 Building Connections: Strategies for encouraging interaction and bonding among members, from communal meals to collaborative events.

15:56 Sustaining Vibrancy: How Coworking Bansko maintains its dynamic energy and culture despite the transient nature of its members.

18:39 Digital and Physical Community Integration: Using online tools to complement face-to-face interactions that form the backbone of the Coworking Bansko community.

21:11 Future Visions: Mattias unveils Coliving Semkovo, a comprehensive, all-in-one coworking and coliving space designed to recapture and amplify the magic of community.

Where to find Matthias Zeitler

Matthias on LinkedIn 

Matthias on Instagram 

Coliving Semkovo 

Coworking Bansko

Matthias, in 60 seconds - Do you do enough marketing for your coworking or co-living space? 

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Today we bring you Coworking Values Podcast: Belongfulness Series with Tony Bacigalupo - for this episode, he chats with Jon Alexander, and they dive into how the state of belonging can repair our social fabric.

Jon, the brains behind the game-changing book "Citizens: Why the Key to Everything is Us." talks about his transition from a consumerism-soaked advertising career to becoming a citizenship champion 

"Citizens" isn't just a book; it's a fresh perspective on collaboration and care. Jon discusses how the pandemic revealed flaws in traditional citizenship and the need for collective responsibility. 

He also explores urban transformations and grassroots movements like the National Park City and the Reaction Collective, highlighting the importance of community engagement.

According to Jon, coworking spaces are seen as hidden gems that offer spaces for democratic governance and community engagement. They promote collaboration, innovation, and values beyond consumerism. 

Links:

Twitter: @JonJAlex 

Twitter: @TonyBGoode 

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Welcome back to another episode of the Coworking Values Podcast: Accessibility Track series with today's guest Dom Hyams from Purple Goat Agency – the world's first and only disability-led marketing agency. 

Dom talks about how they help brands navigate disability experiences with a social-first approach. It involves influencers and creating inclusive campaigns that can reach a global audience. 

Dom also discusses accessibility – what brands are doing right and where they could improve. He emphasizes the importance of overcoming the fear that holds brands back from being more inclusive. 

Dom also shares some easy wins in accessibility – from making physical spaces inclusive to ensuring websites are accessible to everyone. It's all about being ready for inclusivity at every touchpoint.

Catch Dom at the London Breakfast Show as he joins as a panelist for the Workspace Design Show London 2024 with the theme "Accessible Workspaces: Inclusivity, Language, and the Future of Coworking"

This series is co-created with Nook Wellness Pods - which provides distraction-free environments in coworking spaces, perfect for neurodiverse individuals who need a focused and comfortable workspace.

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Welcome to another episode of Coworking Values Podcast: Accessibility Track with our host Emily Breeder who dives into the ECA Idea Handbook as the blueprint for accessible coworking with the fantastic Jeannine van der Linden from the European Coworking Assembly. 

The conversation starts with the ECA IDEA Handbook, a guide that's not just a book but a collaborative journey on Inclusion, Diversity, Equity, and Accessibility (IDEA). 

Jeannine, the "Doula" behind its creation, talks about the voices that shaped the handbook during a pre-pandemic listening tour across the UK and Europe. 

They also touch on founder bias and how it affects decision-making in coworking spaces and how unconscious choices can have an impact on a space's environment. 

Jeannine's perspective promotes a more inclusive world and how and why it is crucial to how coworking spaces can be genuinely accessible. 

This series is co-created with Nook Wellness Pods - which provides distraction-free environments in coworking spaces, perfect for neurodiverse individuals who need a focused and comfortable workspace.

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Episode Summary

It’s June 2025, just a few weeks after European Coworking Day united coworking communities across Europe—and this week's SXSW event in London—are buzzing with energy about AI and creating meaningful experiences.

We’re resharing a grounding, unforgettable episode with Denise Brouder, founder of The Future of Work Alliance and author of "The Science of Flexibility."

Her report, initially published in January 2025, has never felt more urgent.

In this conversation, Denise makes a bold case: flexible work isn’t a policy—it’s a cultural shift.

One that must be designed, practised, and defended if we’re serious about inclusion, wellbeing, and future-proof workspaces.

She unpacks how enterprise and coworking can bridge the gap, why independent spaces matter more than ever, and how third places offer more than just desks—they offer dignity, autonomy, and access.

“The future is already here—it’s just unequally distributed.”

Join us for the next Unreasonable Connection on 18 June—link in the show notes.

Timeline Highlights

[00:53] Bernie introduces Denise and her head-hurting insights

[01:08] What Denise is known for— and what she wants to be known for

[02:34] How The Science of Flexibility came together with Sam and Ashley

[05:10] The third place dilemma—how coworking differs from 'just offices'

[06:56] Educating knowledge workers on “work from near home” strategies

[09:26] Why people don’t know coworking exists—and why that matters

[11:00] The invisible rituals of going to work—and why they still matter

[13:23] How independent space founders speak from lived experience

[14:04] “Pioneers take the arrows…”: the hard work of normalising third places

[16:32] Is coworking finally embracing enterprise clients? A then-and-now look

[19:15] Adam and Alex’s rule: no teams sitting together

[22:13] How removing flexibility punishes women—and what real inclusion looks like

[25:48] Are we losing our edge in the flex work conversation?

[30:08] From fringe to mainstream: how systems change spreads

[32:04] Coworking as infrastructure for collective, inclusive change

Episode Breakdown

The report that broke Bernie’s brainDenise’s Science of Flexibility report doesn’t just talk trends—it names what’s broken and dares to imagine what’s next.

It’s dense. It’s bold. And it’s a wake-up call for coworking.

Thinking differently to work differentlyFrom enterprise boardrooms to indie coworking havens, Denise argues that change begins in the way we think about space, autonomy, and value, not just how we structure work.

Third place vs. office spaceCoworking can’t just look like a repurposed cubicle farm.

Denise explains how space design signals dignity—and why most workers still don’t even know these options exist.

Habits, boundaries, and belongingDenise breaks down how rituals—like leaving the house—signal a shift in state. Coworking offers more than Wi-Fi.

It offers identity, rhythm, and a sense of belonging.

Coworking and the enterprise bridgeThis isn’t a hypey “corporates are coming!” segment.

It’s a real take on what happens when freelancers and bank workers sit at neighbouring desks.

Inclusion means practical access.Denise shares how mandating full-time office returns can crush mobility for marginalised workers—and how flexibility can open up leadership opportunities, not just schedules.

The future’s here—it’s just not evenly distributedYou’ll leave this episode seeing coworking not just as a business model, but as civic infrastructure.

A way of redistributing possibilities in how we live, work, and gather.

Links & Resources

* Download your own The Science of Flexibility report.

* RSVP for Unreasonable Connection

* Coworking Values Podcast on LinkedIn

* Join the 8k Members in the LinkedIn Coworking Group

* Connect with Bernie on LinkedIn

* Connect with Denise on LinkedIn

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Coworking brings communities together, helping people find and share their voices.Each episode of the Coworking Values Podcast delves into the core values that drive coworking: Accessibility, Community, Openness, Collaboration, and Sustainability.

These values aren’t just ideas—they shape the spaces where we gather, work, and grow.

We hope this resonates with you.If it does, please rate, follow, and share the podcast.Your support amplifies our reach, helping others discover how coworking can enrich their lives, build their careers, and strengthen their communities.

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In this episode, we have Lucy McInally, The Inclusive Coworker a pioneer in inclusive coworking, where we explore the intricacies of designing spaces for everyone. 

Lucy's transition from interior design to marketing and co-living unfolds, leading her to the vibrant world of coworking through London coworking conversations.

With a keen eye on gender-specific challenges, Lucy references "Invisible Women" by Caroline Criado Perez as she dives into broader issues, discussing community displacement, gentrification, and public space disparities. 

The conversation then expands to cultural nuances in coworking, emphasizing transparency in policies and the pivotal role of community managers. They stress the importance of taking responsibility for one's environment and finding a balance in accommodating diverse preferences.

Tune in for a deep dive into inclusivity, workspace design, and the transformative power of coworking communities with our co-creator Rayon Design – unveiling tools for ordinary architecture, embracing collaboration, speed, and openness for new design culture.

Links:

Lucy McInally 

Town Square Islington 

Creator Write Club 

Opening Doors To An Inclusive Workspace 

Lucy on AllWork 

Community is Key Podcast with Salto 

Lucy @ Brave Corporation 

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Welcome to another episode of Coworking Values Podcast: Community is the Key series co-created by Salto - bringing you the latest on innovative thinking and advanced mobile-based access control technology for keyless buildings where we talk about 

In this episode, we have Matthias Hollwich, the architect extraordinaire who creates spaces that are way more than just buildings. He is the Founder and Principal of HWKN Architecture. 

The heart of the conversation is all about why community is like the secret sauce for an amazing life, especially as we get older. Matthias drops some serious knowledge on how designing spaces for an aging crowd is all about the details. It's like setting the stage for a great party, but a life party. Think nailing the acoustics and creating an inclusive environment.

He also dives into how COVID-19 messed with our social connections and how artificial intelligence could help us foster real connections, especially in big cities where the hustle and bustle can make it hard to connect with others.

Matthias's book, "New Aging: Live Smarter Now to Live Better Forever," started as a cool project at the University of Pennsylvania. It was all about finding fresh and creative solutions for aging, breaking the mold, and thinking outside the box.

Matthias wraps it all up with some seriously cool thoughts on aging being this epic adventure, and why planning for it early on is like having a superpower. The takeaway? Life's a journey, and you need to design it right for the best experience.

Ready to dive deeper into the coworking conversation? Head over to This Week In Coworking and learn more about insights, and experiences with the community. 

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Welcome back for another episode of the Coworking Values: Visionaries series, created in collaboration with andcards, coworking space management software that streamlines the management and use of flexible workspaces.

In this episode, we have Shamena Nurse-Kingsley, founder of Cowo&Crèche, a coworking space in Alexandria, Virginia that's specifically designed for parents and women. 

This coworking space is all about supporting parents and women. Shamena shares her journey into coworking, which was inspired by the challenges she faced as a working mom during the pandemic.

Drawing on her military background, Shamena talks about how her experiences in the military gave her the courage to become an entrepreneur. 

She also opens up about the struggles working moms face and the importance of setting boundaries for a healthy work-life balance.

Shamena's joy in being involved in her kids' milestones led her to create Cowo&Crèche as a solution for working parents who want to balance their careers and family lives. 

She emphasizes the importance of addressing real issues and follows her faith and intuition in her entrepreneurial journey.

This shows how coworking spaces can make a positive impact on parents and women navigating work and family.

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In this episode of the Coworking Values Podcast with our co-creator Rayon Design - unveiling tools for ordinary architecture, embracing collaboration, speed, and openness for a new design culture.

We have Peter Block the founder of Designed Learning. Peter talks about importance of creating meaningful conversations among coworkers and how rearranging physical spaces can promote social interactions. 

He also delves on how he sees coworking spaces as more than just places to work, but as platforms for connecting with others. They're like hubs for bringing people together. They talk about the challenges of getting people to talk to each other and how rearranging the space can help. 

They also shares some stories about events that brought people together and how language can make a big difference. Coworking spaces can make a big impact on rural areas and local communities, according to him. 

Peter believes that asking meaningful questions, using the right words can really change things and language plays a role in creating a positive and collaborative environment in coworking spaces.

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Welcome to the first episode of Coworking Values Podcast: Accessibility Track. This series is in partnership with Nook Wellness Pods - which provides distraction-free environments in coworking spaces, perfect for neurodiverse individuals who need a focused and comfortable workspace.

We'll be exploring the special challenges and opportunities of making coworking spaces inclusive and empowering for people with disabilities, whether they have physical limitations or are neurodiverse.

In this episode with our host Emily Breder featuring Rosie Sherry from the Ministry of Testing in the UK. She talks about the connection between neurodiversity and coworking. 

Rosie discusses her sensory sensitivities and her preference for quieter work environments. Rosie is committed to fostering understanding and meeting the diverse needs of professionals.

Rosie shares her experience in coworking spaces in Brighton in 2010. She managed a space and got involved in local meetups, forming connections and friendships.

Then they dive into neurodiversity. Rosie talks about her journey, especially with her child who was diagnosed last year. She discusses how women are speaking up more about neurodiversity and the challenges neurodiverse people face in society.

One important topic they cover is Rosie's sensory sensitivities, especially to noise, and how it impacts her coworking preferences. She believes there should be more spaces that cater to different needs, especially quieter and more focused work settings.

Rosie shares her own work preferences, leaning towards self-employment for creative freedom and to meet her specific needs. She talks about the stress of working for others and the significance of effectively managing her calendar.

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Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Coworking Values: Visionaries series! We're thrilled to have you join us once more as we dive into the world of collaborative workspaces. This series is proudly brought to you in partnership with andcards, the cutting-edge coworking space management software that revolutionizes operations in flexible workspaces.

In this episode, join Erika Gifford and Sean Comeaux from Hatchworks coworking space here in Asheville about their journey, community-building tips, and why it’s so important to make real connections in coworking.

Erika and Sean are partners in life and business. They unexpectedly started a coworking space called Hatchworks during the tough times of the COVID-19 pandemic. It all started when they needed separate office spaces. 

Despite the challenges of the COVID-19 pandemic, they found ways to create a strong community through networking events and involvement in the local arts scene. They also prioritized personal branding and used technology to make their coworking space more accessible. Despite the pandemic, they remained committed to building connections and bringing people together.

Links:

Hatchworks Coworking Instagram 

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In this episode we welcome back, Maria do Ceu Bastos, Co-Founder, and Manager of Nowhere Desk to talk about integrating local culture and her vision for a unique coworking experience. 

Maria, who has been a remote worker for over thirty years, shares her story of embracing remote work even before the internet was a thing. She talks about the challenges and rewards of early remote work and how important it is to find a balance between work and family life.

Remote work has gained recognition and value over time. It has benefits for individuals, communities, and businesses. It's important to involve the community in creating coworking spaces in rural areas and collaborate with them.

Maria also talks about her upcoming project called "Nowhere Desk," a coworking and co-living space in Portugal. She shares the challenges she's faced in finding the right facilities and the importance of networking with other coworking spaces.

Maria believes that by celebrating the uniqueness of the local area, they can create a great experience for remote workers and digital nomads.

Overall, Maria offers valuable insights for anyone considering remote work or coworking. It shows the importance of community involvement and collaboration in creating successful coworking spaces in rural areas.

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In this episode of the Community is Key series co-created with Salto, Join Stefanie as she talks and explores the blend of community, tech, and hospitality with Urban Garden as it helps organic connections that shape collaborative coworking environments.

We have Stefanie Mayr, a Leasing Manager from Immofinanz, who wants to be known as an open-minded, strong woman in the real estate industry. 

She's here to talk about the Urban Garden Project and how it transformed into a vibrant coworking space that embraces hospitality. The place is lush and welcoming, creating connections among their tenants. 

Stefanie believes that community in coworking spaces should happen naturally, not through forced networking events. She explains how onboarding and community managers play a role in integrating new members seamlessly. 

Technology also plays a part, with an app for building access and community engagement. Stefanie shares strategies to encourage its usage and the perks that come with it. 

The buzz and collaborative atmosphere in coworking spaces are similar to restaurants or cafes, fostering connections among occupants. 

Stefanie shares that she finds working in coworking spaces rewarding and encourages a more open approach to this concept in Austria. She envisions a future with increased flexibility and adaptability in workspace design.

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In this Coworking Values podcast episode, we have Martyn Sibley as he talks about how Inclusion in businesses can help empower people with disabilities and how it can impact a global market.

Martyn is the Co-Founder and CEO of Disability Horizons and Purple Goat Agency, he is an expert in disability, inclusion, and social media in business. 

Martyn shares his extensive travel experiences as a wheelchair user in over 25 countries.

Martin also shares about 'Accomable,' one of his projects that aims to make travel more accessible for disabled individuals. 

He emphasizes the importance of not only physically accessible places but also ones that are supportive and informative.

The discussion focuses on the importance of disability inclusion in society and business. 

Martyn explains how businesses can benefit financially by becoming more accessible, moving away from solely charitable efforts, and recognizing the profitability of inclusivity.

He also includes both the consumer and citizen perspectives of the disability rights movement. 

Martyn emphasizes the importance of businesses understanding diverse needs, not just visible disabilities, and engaging in conversation with customers to provide appropriate support.

Martyn also delves in his experience searching for an accessible coworking space and the challenges he has faced due to physical obstacles.

Links:

Workspace Show 

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We're happy to have you back for another episode of the Coworking Values: Visionaries series, created in collaboration with andcards, coworking space management software that streamlines the management and use of flexible workspaces.

Today, we have the pleasure of chatting with Ilia Kenigshtein, the founder and CEO of Creative States, a network of coworking spaces in Ukraine. 

We'll be exploring their mission and accomplishments.

Let's shine a spotlight on Ilia, the driving force behind Creative States. They're making waves with their unique coworking spaces in Ukraine. 

Creative States goes beyond the traditional workspace. They create a strong sense of community, comfort, and social impact. Managing coworking spaces in a country dealing with a pandemic and war is challenging, but Creative States maintains a high occupancy rate.

In this episode of the Coworking Values Podcast, we examine how Creative States' "fantasy land" concept serves as a powerful form of resistance and community-building during the Russian invasion. 

These coworking spaces provide more than just shelter; they stand as a symbol of unyielding courage and unity, aiming to preserve a sense of normalcy and the continuous drive for creative expression even in the midst of war.

They even have child-friendly coworking spaces where parents can bring their kids and access educational support.

Starting a business in a region with fewer regulations may have its challenges, but there are also opportunities. We'll dive into that.

Looking ahead, Ilia envisions expanding Creative States into Europe and beyond. Our conversation with Ilia reveals Creative States' mission to create a haven within co-working. It's a place where normalcy and freedom shine, even in the face of adversity.

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Episode Summary

Alex Young doesn’t want applause for installing ramps.

As Director at Projects in Brighton, she’s focused on something much harder: making inclusion part of the architecture of everyday coworking life.

From universal design to neurodivergent coaching, this episode is a masterclass in what it takes to build truly accessible spaces, not just compliant ones.

Emily and Alex delve into the cultural, emotional, and structural aspects of accessibility.

They unpack why well-meaning spaces still fail people with disabilities, how funding like Access to Work can transform a team, and what real self-advocacy looks like in an environment that doesn’t always listen.

This isn’t just about doorways and desks.It’s about dignity.

Come for the quiet room layouts.

Stay for the moment, Alex explains why mentorship in Berlin—and inclusion policy in the UK—aren’t just good ethics. They have good infrastructure.

*This is a ‘rewind’ episode first posted in 2024 - we think it is worth sharing again!

Timeline Highlights

[00:05] Emily plugs Unreasonable Connection—and what makes it more than just a meetup

[00:29] Alex’s role at Projects and why coworking is more than square footage

[01:48] Body doubling, time zones, and the quiet power of co-presence

[02:33] What “universal design” actually means—and how it shows up in a building

[04:04] Ramps and quiet spaces are great—but they’re not the whole answer

[04:40] Where well-intentioned workspaces fall flat: they don’t ask

[05:57] How to self-advocate when you’re used to being ignored

[07:32] Access to Work and the invisible resources that already exist

[09:40] Lessons from Impact Hub Berlin: mentoring across difference

[11:07] Inclusion as a competitive advantage—and a personal priority

[12:59] Why Alex stayed in coworking—and how sociology still shapes her thinking

[16:15] A practical, human checklist for accessibility from day one

[18:03] How to reach Alex—and why she’s always happy to talk

Episode Breakdown

Coworking Isn’t Inclusive by DefaultJust because a space is “cool” doesn’t mean it’s accessible.

Alex walks through the design decisions behind Projects’ spaces—wide doorways, adjustable desks, quiet zones—but also explains why no checklist beats asking people what they need.

The Emotional Labour of AdvocacyFor many disabled or neurodivergent people, asking for basic accommodations is exhausting.

Alex offers a nuanced take: yes, self-advocacy is powerful—but it shouldn’t always fall on the person with the “difference” to initiate the conversation.

Spaces must signal safety first.

Free Money, Untapped PowerAccess to Work is a UK government scheme that helps employers fund accessibility solutions; however, most people are not aware of it.

Alex explains how Projects uses it (with Exceptional Individuals) to secure tech, training, and coaching for team members.

If you're in the UK and not using this… you’re leaving impact on the table.

Don’t Just Look Inside—Look AroundCoworking spaces often focus on their own four walls.

But Alex highlights Impact Hub Berlin’s mentorship programme, which pairs business leaders with underrepresented entrepreneurs in the city.

It’s a reminder that inclusion isn’t just about who’s already inside—it’s also about who still feels unwelcome.

Her Why: Sociology, Cafés, and a Sense of PlaceAlex studied people.

Then she worked from cafés.

Then she realised—none of them felt right.

Her entry into coworking was part accident, part calling.

She didn’t build an app, but she did find her people.

Now she makes sure others can find theirs too.

🔗 Links & Resources

People

* Alex Young on LinkedIn

* Emily Breder on LinkedIn

Events & Projects

* Alex’s Favourite Positions Podcast

* The Project’s Coworking Space Brighton

* Unreasonable Connection

* Community Builder Cohort Waitlist

* European Coworking Day

Coworking Ecosystem

* Coworking Values Podcast on LinkedIn

* Workspace Design Show

* Join the 8k+ LinkedIn Coworking Group

Referenced in Episode

* Access to Work (UK Government Fund)

* Exceptional Individuals – Neurodiversity Employment Support

* Impact Hub Berlin

One More Thing

Coworking brings communities together, helping people find and share their voices.

Each episode of the Coworking Values Podcast explores Accessibility, Community, Openness, Collaboration, and Sustainability—values that shape the spaces where we gather, work, and grow.

Rate, follow, and share the podcast if this resonates with you.

Your support amplifies our reach, helping others discover how coworking enriches lives, builds careers, and strengthens communities.

Community is the key 🔑

This podcast is a must-listen for anyone into coworking or community development. We welcome back Ashley Proctor of Coworking Canada as shares her journey and how coworking spaces have evolved over the past 20 years. In 2004, she designed her first coworking community with students at OCAD. It was more of a collaborative space back then since coworking wasn't even a term yet. 

They'll also discuss the big changes of the last decade, like the pandemic and the death of George Floyd, and how they've highlighted the importance of connecting and building communities. They'll also touch on remote working, social justice, and environmental issues that have pushed us to take action together. 

Ashley views coworking as more than just renting space – it's about building inclusive communities and taking care of everyone. She emphasizes the importance of being part of the conversation, especially during this socially charged time. 

She also highlights how coworking can have a significant impact on the economy and make a real difference. Lastly, she mentions the UN's Sustainable Development Goals and the need for coworking spaces to contribute to the transition away from fossil fuels. 

Ultimately, coworking is a powerful force for change, and Ashley believes it can truly make a difference in the world.

Links:

andcards with Coworking Canada Uncoference 2023 

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In this episode of the podcast, we have Samantha Francis, Founder of Find A Balance talk about mental health, wellness, and the struggles black people face. 

She shares personal stories and advice on tackling mental health issues early on and helping those in need. The rising rate of suicide is highlighted, emphasizing the urgent need to address the mental health crisis. 

Sam also touches on the importance of schools in promoting mental well-being but also highlights the lack of understanding and support for students with mental health issues. 

Pupil referral units (PRUs) are alternative educational institutions used to place students who have been kicked out of mainstream schools for behavioral issues. 

Sam emphasizes the importance of addressing trauma early on to prevent more serious issues later in life. This conversation provides a better understanding of mental health issues and the need for better support and education, especially for people from different backgrounds.

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We're taking a deep dive into the concept of the "15-minute city" in this podcast rewind episode. We're looking at the myths that the UK government is trying to spread about it, and why coworking spaces are so important in terms of creating community, encouraging people to walk to work, and connecting people to each other. 

Basically, 15-minute cities mean you can get to all your places in just 15 minutes, whether it's a bike ride or a walk. 

In this episode, we have David Brown, the mastermind behind The Good Space - a coworking spot that's all about the 15-Minute City concept.  

He's all about the concept of 15-minute Cities, where everything you need is just a short walk away. He talks about how this idea was born out of his desire to help local businesses and get rid of the need to commute. 

He also explains why coworking is more than just a place to work - it's a place where people can connect and build relationships. 

Plus, he talks about how the coworking scene is thriving in London right now, the safety measures that have been put in place, and the impact remote work is having on the industry. 

Finally, he talks about why coworking is so important - it's about shared spaces, community, and increased productivity.

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In this episode, we explore the significance of diversity, representation, and inclusivity, particularly in the realms of tech and coworking spaces. We delve into the reasons behind the need for diversity and representation while considering how communities can play a pivotal role in shaping inclusive environments.

We’re joined by community and event specialist Catherine Nina Park, who shares her story of how she started her social enterprise G.L.O.W, and how she’s since gone on to work in organizations like Circl, and Colorintech.  

Catherine’s passion for diversity and inclusion shines through as she talks about the importance of diverse role models in inspiring underrepresented individuals. 

They discuss the challenges of putting together diverse event panels, taking into account factors like awareness, connection, and representation within the organization. 

The importance of creating spaces that are safe and inclusive is highlighted, with Catherine emphasizing the importance of creating a welcoming environment for diverse talent. 

Also, Catherine talks about the Black Tech Festival which celebrates Black tech talent and promotes diversity in the tech industry. 

She talks about how communities create a sense of belonging, networking, diversity perspectives, and common goals, all of which play a key role in promoting diversity and inclusion. 

Links:

Black Tech Fest 

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In today’s episode, let's dive headfirst into the world of belonging where we’re joined by Belongfulness Founder and New Work Cities (NYC) Tony Bacigalupo. 

From COVID-19’s impact to the power of mindset and coworking spaces, we’ll take a closer look at what it’s all about and how they can help create stronger connections and stronger communities.

Tony starts off the podcast by talking about the need for real human connections in today's digital world. He talks about his own personal experience with the pandemic and how it made him more appreciative of human connections, even when he was feeling isolated. 

He also delves into how our attitude and mindset can affect our experiences, and how it's important to stay positive even during tough times. Finally, he talks about how social media can help us build connections, and how LinkedIn is the best way to do it. 

They invite listeners to explore the "State of Belonging 2023" report and engage in conversations about community, mindset, and connection, and how it can help us feel more connected in this ever-changing world. 

Links:

Twitter

Instagram

LinkedIn

YouTube

Workspace Design Show In Amsterdam 

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In this special episode, We have Kofi Oppong of Urban MBA talk about the technologies that are going to change the world. 

Kofi has a lot of experience in the tech world, having worked for a big sports and fitness company. He's a futurist, and he says he's always been interested in tech because of his interest in sneakers. He also talks about how AI is going to revolutionize everything from finance to healthcare to transportation. Here's what Kofi has to say!

He'll be delving into how these technologies are going to affect jobs and education. And how to upskill people to keep up with the times and why it's important to consider alternative education systems. And how AI is going to change society and what we can do to prepare for it. 

Kofi also talks about introducing their new space - Urban MBA Base Camp - which is designed to help promote hybrid education and give entrepreneurs and learners the resources they need to stay ahead of the tech curve. 

Kofi will also be talking about how the event is about community and inclusiveness, which is in line with Urban MBA's goal of helping marginalized communities with education and opportunities. 

So come join us and learn more about these new technologies and how they could change the world for the better!

Links:

AI And Our Jobs – A Coworking Debate On The Future  

Jon Seal: Increasing Your Skill Set Through Education and Apprenticeships 

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In today’s episode, we’ll be talking with one of the world’s most experienced remote work advocates and community builders, Luis Suarez, Distributed Work Adviser at Working the Future. He’ll be sharing his thoughts on the state of work, coworking spaces, local communities, intentional living, and much more.

Whether you're a remote worker, a community enthusiast, or simply curious about the future of work, this episode is a must-listen.

We chatted with Luis Suarez about the pandemic and how it's changed our way of working, from the office to the home. From climate change to extreme weather, he talks about how we need to be more intentional in our work and connect with our communities. 

He shares his own stories of making connections and how coworking spaces can help us build strong community connections. Plus, he talks about the loneliness of remote work and encourages us to get involved in our local communities. Most of all, he talks about intentionality and how it can help us make positive change.

This episode is all about taking a step back and looking at how we work, interact with others, and live our lives in an intentional way. It's all about finding ways to have a better balance between work and life. 

If you liked the episode, please get in touch with us by subscribing, leaving a review, or sharing it on social media. 

Links:

Luis Suarez's Blog 

Mastodon 

New Aging by Matthias Hollwich 

Blue Zones by Dan Buettner 

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Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Coworking Values: Visionaries series! We're thrilled to have you join us once more as we dive into the world of collaborative workspaces. This series is proudly brought to you in partnership with andcards, the cutting-edge coworking space management software that revolutionizes operations in flexible workspaces.

Alycia Levels-Moore, founder of Polaris BHM, talks about the origins of "Polaris" Birmingham, inspired by the North Star, which symbolizes guidance and success for entrepreneurs. 

Polaris supports sustainable businesses, promoting economic growth and prosperity. The podcast encourages a deeper understanding of ancestry traditions and ideas, emphasizing the responsibility to improve the world for future generations. 

Polaris also offers a safe and supportive environment, emphasizing transferable creativity that can be applied across various industries. Alycia dives into the exciting connection between music and business creativity as artists who have become entrepreneurs use their skills to create coworking spaces.

Join Polaris BHM for new ideas, motivation, and a diverse perspective on business, creativity, and community building on their "How Do I Do This," podcast that provides interesting conversations for entrepreneurs from diverse backgrounds. 

Enter the exciting world of coworking spaces, entrepreneurship, and creative innovation. Join us in this podcast episode to gain insights, inspiration, and a fresh perspective on business, creativity, and community-building.

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Come join Bernie and Jerome Chang - Founder and Architect of BLANKSPACES Coworking, one of the most influential voices in the co-working world, for an all-inclusive conversation about diversity and inclusion. 

They'll explore why there's a lack of representation on panels and why people of different genders, races, and disabilities aren't attending events. Plus, they'll talk about the pandemic and how it's affected diversity, especially when it comes to caregiving and access. 

They'll also discuss how remote working can either help close the gap or make things worse. They'll also talk about the importance of creating an inclusive environment and how it's not enough to just make announcements - you need to really welcome underrepresented groups. And, they'll make sure everyone involved, from event organizers to attendees to sponsors, is doing their part to make a real difference.

This episode encourages coworking companies to come together for events that celebrate diversity. We'll talk about the industry issues, what's going on, and how you can be a part of the solution.

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In this special episode of the Coworking Values Podcast, we feature the candid conversation between Ashley Proctor, host of the Coworking IDEA Challenge, which promotes inclusivity, diversity, equity, and accessibility in coworking, and Niloufar Salimi, an Iranian immigrant, and artist who shares her personal journey and reflections on the Iranian youth movement.

Niloufar Salimi tells her extraordinary two-decade journey from Iran to Canada. Niloufar, a dreamer and artist, discusses traveling overseas and starting again.

From Canada, Niloufar describes her emotional connection to Iran's events. She is affected by viewing big events, protests, and bloodshed from a distance.

Uncover trauma as Niloufar experiences horrific incidents on social media. Her reflections reveal the repression of childhood trauma and how current events triggered it.

The topics of news literacy, misinformation, and truth-telling in dictatorships are covered. Niloufar advocates news literacy as a means of navigating information.

Niloufar applauds Iran's youth movement for its bravery and tenacity. Learn how these young activists are breaking down obstacles, demanding rights, and paving the way for a better future.

Niloufar draws parallels between Iran's young movement and worldwide social justice movements. Discover those fighting for agency, equality, and genuine change.

She talks on how community support and solidarity influenced her protests. Because shared suffering and empathy strengthen us, unity is necessary for transformation.

The conversation closes with a focus on community, awareness, and advocacy. Niloufar encourages the audience to support, resource, and act for positive change.

To learn more about this conversation, read it here in The Power of Community and Collective Action 

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Summary

How do you keep your business running when your nervous system is screaming?

In this raw and resonant episode, Bernie and Emily tackle a weight most of us carry but rarely name: existential overhead.

That constant low hum of emotional load—personal, political, practical—that makes every small task feel harder.

From neurodivergence and mindset rituals to accountability rhythms and phantom limbs (yes, really), this episode explores how community builders can work with their brains instead of against them.

Emily shares how grounding in the body—not just the to-do list—is what keeps her going.

Bernie opens up about writing rituals, ADHD fog, and what years of weekly check-ins have taught him about stability.

There’s no big reveal. Just honest, hard-earned insight into the mess, rhythm, and relief of building community—while staying human.

Timeline Highlights

[00:05] Bernie introduces Unreasonable Connection and his Portugal–Spain coworking trip

[01:12] Emily shares what she’s known for—and what she wants to be known for

[02:34] Naming the invisible load: existential overhead in a chaotic world

[03:45] Bruce Lee, Daoism, and absorbing only what serves you

[05:36] The Prime Minister of Barbados and the weight of being many things at once

[07:13] Grounding before power: why mindset beats marketing

[08:53] Bernie on Ukraine, ADHD, and how perspective resets productivity

[09:56] Emily on needing body-first rituals to handle mental spirals

[12:28] What it’s like to finally say, “That’s not me”—and mean it

[13:52] Why Bernie’s day doesn’t start until 750 words hit the page

[15:27] Emily on sustaining cadence, journaling spirals, and disappearing goalposts

[17:40] “It’s not always building toward amazing”—Bernie on flow and 12-week rhythm

[18:47] Emily on retrospectives, diverse feedback, and asking: Am I wrong?

[20:34] How facilitation works: nudging without directing

[23:24] Bernie on phantom limbs, pain memory, and coworking triggers

[25:28] Permission to keep going—why cadence isn’t a loop, but a cycle

[28:58] Cross-pollinating wisdom: what restaurants, film, and sports can teach us

Detailed Episode Breakdown

Existential Overhead Is RealIt’s not just your to-do list that’s overwhelming you.

It’s politics, news, family, economic strain, and that sinking sense that you should be doing more.

Emily and Bernie name that weight, and talk about how recognising it can help you manage it.

Mindset Is a Starting Point, Not a BuzzwordFrom daily writing rituals to barefoot grounding, the small, repeatable acts that bring clarity take centre stage.

Not to optimise.

But to survive and build rhythm.

Accountability Is a LifelineEmily and Bernie reflect on 15 years of working together—and how peer support, weekly check-ins, and simply speaking their minds keep them (and their clients) on track.

You can’t outsource success to apps.

The Mess Is the MethodFrom Urban MBA's mindset-first approach to phantom limb analogies, this conversation honours the messy, human, often nonlinear path to clarity.

Permission to Keep GoingCadence isn’t a loop—it’s a cycle.

You revisit the beginning again and again.

The win isn’t perfection—it’s showing up to the next round with more self-awareness and community than the last.

Links & Resources

* RSVP for Unreasonable Connection

* Emily on LinkedIn

* Bernie on LinkedIn

* Coworking Values Podcast on LinkedIn

* Visit the Workspace Design Show

* Urban MBA

* Mia Amor Mottley, Prime Minister of Barbados

* What is a phantom limb?

* 750 Words - Practice Writing Every Day

* Join the 8k+ LinkedIn Coworking Group.

One more thing

Coworking brings communities together, helping people find and share their voices.

Each episode of the Coworking Values Podcast explores Accessibility, Community, Openness, Collaboration, and Sustainability—values that shape the spaces where we gather, work, and grow.

Rate, follow, and share the podcast if this resonates with you.

Your support amplifies our reach, helping others discover how coworking enriches lives, builds careers, and strengthens communities.

Community is the key 🔑

In this episode, we have Surya Paasch, the PR and Social Media Manager at Biwoc Rising, a coworking space in Berlin known for being Germany's and Europe's first intersectional work and social club. Biwoc Rising focuses on empowering trans, non-binary, black, indigenous, and people of color communities.

Surya explains that Biwoc Rising creates a "safer space" within the coworking environment where individuals feel respected and free from discrimination and oppression. The concept of a "safer space" involves active learning, unlearning, and accountability from the community members.

Biwoc Rising actively involves its community in shaping its Code of Conduct and policies to ensure inclusivity and safety for everyone.

Surya then delves into the concept of intersectionality, which explores how systems of oppression based on race, gender, sexuality, disability, and class intersect and reinforce each other.

Biwoc Rising aims to achieve intersectional justice by providing an equal and fair distribution of rights, opportunities, and power to marginalized groups.

Surya highlights the need for coworking spaces to be more inclusive and diverse, actively involving people from marginalized communities in decision-making and planning.

It emphasizes the importance of going beyond announcements and truly inviting and welcoming people from diverse backgrounds to foster a sense of belonging and safety.

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Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Coworking Values: Visionaries series! We're thrilled to have you join us once more as we dive into the world of collaborative workspaces. This series is proudly brought to you in partnership with andcards, the cutting-edge coworking space management software that revolutionizes operations in flexible workspaces.

Jazmin Gorski and Nikki Parks Co-Founders of Campfire Coworks talk about their experience starting and running Campfire Coworks in Michigan's Upper Peninsula. Initially, the coworking space was established as a non-profit organisation by the Chamber of Commerce. It did, however, face finance and leadership issues. Keith Glendon, an experienced founder with IT and financial experience, took management of the firm and relaunched it as Campfire Coworks. 

Both Jasmine and Nikki emphasise the critical necessity for a trustworthy and consistent workspace to cater to remote workers and digital nomads throughout the talk. Nikki's expertise in process management and technological solutions, particularly with andcards, considerably improved the overall operations of the coworking space. 

As the space grew, a parent business called Bondfyr formed, offering coworking consulting services to help aspiring entrepreneurs set up their own locations and assist with process, system, and technology implementation.

The discussion also delves into the concept of remote coworking spaces, with Jasmine and Nikki discussing the issues that rural areas face, such as inadequate internet connectivity and access to basic utilities like electricity. Nonetheless, they emphasise the advantages of rural coworking spaces, emphasising the strong sense of community and collaboration they foster.

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Our guest on this episode of the Coworking Values podcast is Suzanne Murdock, a seasoned expert in the flexible workspace industry. Suzanne has over 10 years of coworking experience and is the co-founder of Hub Newry, her popular coworking space between Dublin and Belfast. 

In this podcast, Suzanne talks about the evolution of coworking and the future of remote work. And the importance of building inclusive and collaborative coworking communities where individuals, including remote workers and freelancers, can thrive. 

Suzanne stresses that employers should embrace work and understand the unique needs of everyone on the team. 

Additionally, Suzanne highlights the transformative power of coworking and remote work, offering opportunities for increased productivity, collaboration, and work-life integration. It also provides insights into optimizing work environments, promoting psychological safety, and the benefits of integrating technology into the coworking experience. 

Throughout the conversation, Suzanne's expertise and passion for advocating for the growth and development of his coworking space and the introduction of flexible working arrangements are conveyed. 

Her podcast - Powering Productivity provides valuable in sight and advice for both professionals looking to cowork in her space and coworking space with owners looking to build a thriving community.

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We're happy to have you back for another episode of the Coworking Values: Visionaries series, created in collaboration with andcards, coworking management software that streamlines operations at flexible workspaces. 

Hatch Hubs - run by the Facework Group, a Community Interest Company that supports people to face the changing world of work is located in South London and is a unique place where people can come together to work and connect. Founded by Steven Carrick-Davies, the aim was to create an inclusive and affordable space for everyone. Hatch Hubs also offer training programs to help individuals acquire new skills and knowledge.

The name "Hatch" symbolizes the generation of fresh ideas and projects. The transformation of an old building into these collaborative workspaces gave birth to the concept. Steven's drive stems from his desire to bring about positive change in the community, fostering a sense of belonging and unity. Hatch Hubs serve as a platform for people to meet, learn from one another, and offer mutual support.

To sustain their operations, Hatch Hubs employ various revenue streams, including memberships, partnerships with organizations, event hosting, and even renting out their space for special occasions. Their primary focus remains on delivering high-quality services that are accessible and affordable to all.

The impact of Hatch Hubs is assessed by examining the transformative experiences of community members through qualitative and quantitative methods. Steven's ultimate goal is to inspire others to establish similar spaces in their own communities. They have plans to expand Hatch Hubs to more locations in South London and contribute to the development of new businesses in Ukraine through workshops and support.

Ultimately, Hatch Hubs strives to make a positive difference by emphasizing collaboration, knowledge sharing, and acting as a source of inspiration for others.

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In this episode, we have Lena Rantsevich, Founder & CEO at Reputy.io, and Minter Dial, Keynote Speaker, NED/Advisor, Award-winning Author, and Podcaster 

Join us as they discuss the conundrum that is empathy and Artificial Intelligence. How artificial intelligence and remote work will affect how people use coworking spaces in the next year or two. They believe that leadership must carefully consider how to retain good talent and that empathy is crucial for doing so. 

They also talk about how empathy is a talent that can be learned but is difficult to teach. And how there is a debate between those who believe AI cannot replace empathy and those who believe AI can replace any one feeling or reaction. 

Links:

Empathy, AI, & Coworking 

Lena on Twitter 

Lena on Instagram 

Minter on Twitter 

Minter Dial Website 

Minter on Instagram 

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In this episode, we have Karen West - Whylie, CEO of Three Sixty Workrooms. Karen is a London legend who believes in the post-bubble economy and the art of possibility. 

She aspires to be renowned for being full of value, believing in the art of the possible, and assisting individuals facing a cost-of-living crisis. Barking and Dagenham is a wonderful area to live and work in, yet it is not without deprivation and poverty. It presently houses Uber, a film studio, regeneration, and a research experiment known as the UCL pole. It's a fantastic place to live and work.

Join us Karen talks about how the city government is committed to improving the area while preserving its soul and supporting long-term residents. 

Three Sixty Workrooms is an affordable coworking facility in Barking and Dagenham for creative firms and young creatives. It provides mentoring, training, and business support to help them succeed.

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Coming Together at Ipade

We're happy to have you back for another episode of the Coworking Values: Visionaries series, created in collaboration with andcards, coworking software that streamlines the management of flexible workspaces.

In this episode, we have Elizabeth Dawes Gay, Founder and CEO of Ipade, a Black-owned coworking space for Women Entrepreneurs. 

Tune in as Elizabeth talks about the how culture and history of black women and women of colour are honoured and celebrated at Ipade, a coworking space created just for them. 

Learn about how Ipade can serve as a kind of "incubator" for those with big dreams and ideas about how to improve the world. Their business concept has been fruitful in that it has attracted and retained a steady stream of members. 

The establishment is having an impact on the community by demonstrating to the locals that they are welcome there and that it is possible to follow one's dreams. 

As a social entrepreneur, Elizabeth has had to strike a balance between maintaining her space and adhering to her principles of affordable pricing. And most importantly, that coworking communities serve a constructive role in bringing people together, connecting them, and allowing them to share in each other's lives.

Learn more about how Ipade streamlines workflows and empowers members with self-sufficiency in their success story. 

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In this episode, we have Ashley Proctor and Jerome Chang from The Coworking IDEA Project - a global network of coworking operators, associations, community organisers, and collaborative consultants seeking to make coworking more inclusive, diverse, equitable, and accessible. 

Tune in as they talk about this month's mission Disrupting the Status Quo: Demanding Diversity in Coworking Conferences. They talk about how Coworking should be diverse, long-term, inclusive, and focused on the community. And how leaders, speakers, and sponsors can help to foster diversity and inclusion. Collaboration and policies are essential to meeting conference expectations.

Coworking IDEA Project 

Creative Blueprint 

Coworking Canada 

BLANKSPACES Coworking 

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In this episode, we have Stacey Sheppard, Director of The Tribe - a community-driven coworking space in the South Hams that focuses on supporting and empowering female entrepreneurs that are both creative and committed to professional progress. 

Stacey is also a full-time interior designer and blogger, journalist, and writer. Ivanne Poussier included an interview with Stacey in the book Sisters in Arms - Women in Coworking, which profiles female-centric coworking spaces in Europe.

Stacey talks about "Biophilic Design" - a concept that incorporates natural elements into the built environment, which is beneficial to mental health and well-being. She shares their thoughts on the future of coworking and their own personal experiences with the practise.

Stacy also delves into how she aims to create opportunities for the youth of her community to succeed in life, and she has done so by starting an online business using resources that did not exist while she was in college. 

And she also touches on how there is a perceived lack of missing skills and experience, imposter syndrome, and a dearth of related sponsors, role models, mentors, and professional support networks for women in rural Devon. 

She also highlights the benefit of surrounding oneself with like-minded individuals who understand the significance of building relationships, working together, and encouraging one another.

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Welcome back to another episode of the Coworking Values: Visionaries series, produced in partnership with andcards, cowork ing space software that makes flex space management a breeze. 

In this episode we have, Lindsay Hedenskog the CEO and co-founder of LAMB, a purpose-built coworking space in Stockholm that aims to provide everything a person needs to thrive at work. 

LAMB aims to create a work environment that encourages connection, physical activity, healthy eating, and mindfulness. It has been through pandemics, economic crises, energy crises, food crises, and other crises, and has stayed true to its original mission. 

Let’s hear Lindsay talk more about how LAMB‘s traditional coworking business model encourages people to make small changes to improve their lives. And how they also see an opportunity to digitize the approach to make it easier to make small shifts. 

Learn about The Culture Code - how a shared set of expectations creates a culture that is best for human beings. And why vulnerability is essential for change. And how LAMB is a partner in helping companies and teams to develop human-centered cultures. It provides more spaces for conversation and sharing to remember and refocus.

Learn more about LAMB in her interview with the Coworking Smarts blog: How to Make Members Happy: Working Tips from Lindsay Hedenskog, Founder of LAMB 

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Episode Summary

When Sangeeta Pillai walks into a coworking space, she’s not just looking for a desk—she’s scanning for signs that someone like her belongs.

In this raw and wide-ranging conversation, Sangeeta—founder of the Masala Podcast and Soul Sutras - joins Bernie to talk about what inclusion actually feels like, not just what it looks like in a brochure.

From growing up silenced in a Mumbai slum to building one of the UK’s most celebrated feminist networks, Sangeeta unpacks what makes a space truly safe—and why most coworking spaces still miss the mark.

They talk loneliness in big cities, misfiring community efforts, why asking someone’s name matters more than your branding, and how even a WhatsApp nudge can pull someone back from the edge.

If you’ve ever wondered why some people walk past your coworking space every day and never walk in, this is the episode that explains it.

Timeline Highlights

[00:40] “I’d like to be known for feminism until the day I die.”

[01:22] Growing up voiceless in Mumbai—and turning pain into a movement.

[02:34] Famous guests, taboo topics, and why Masala Podcast hits harder than PR fluff.

[03:30] What Brick Lane looks like through immigrant eyes (hint: it’s not your weekend bagel run).

[06:15] What safe space means—from name pronunciation to lunchbox shame.

[07:47] Why being noticed—just being seen—can save someone’s life.

[08:55] Loneliness in London: How 8 million people can feel like zero connection.

[10:55] “Even small talk is human contact.” Why strangers matter more than we admit.

[12:40] Bernie’s Vigo confession: he speaks to more people in Spanish than he did in English in London.

[15:55] The problem with coworking bubbles: why locals walk by and never step in.

[17:21] If your space doesn’t look diverse, it doesn’t feel welcoming.

[19:05] Bernie realises what felt like impostor syndrome was a lack of belonging.

[21:09] The workshop that made coworking leaders confront their fear of community.

[22:57] “It’s a buffet. But no one knows how to get to the table.”

[25:51] The WhatsApp message that got Bernie out of bed—and possibly saved his week.

[26:59] AI won’t save us. Conversation might.

Episode Breakdown

A Podcast That Became a Movement

Sangeeta didn’t set out to be a community leader—she was trying to survive a culture that wouldn’t let her speak.

Her podcast opened the floodgates for conversations that South Asian women were never “allowed” to have.

What Safety Feels Like

A safe coworking space isn’t about good vibes or diversity statements.

It’s about micro-moments of respect, like learning someone’s name or not judging their food. These things matter more than you think.

🏙️ Loneliness in a Crowd

You can be surrounded by millions in London and feel utterly alone.

Sangeeta and Bernie compare that isolation to the warmth of small-town India—and what coworking spaces could learn from it.

🧍🏾 Who’s Welcome?

If your space looks like a tech bro reunion, people notice.

If no one who lives nearby is inside, they notice.

If no one says hello, they feel it.

This is where “community” starts—or dies.

📍 Beyond the Bubble

Most coworking spaces say they care about the local community, but few engage.

Sangeeta explains why even well-meaning operators often get stuck, and what it takes to build trust across the street.

🔗 Links & Resources

* Soul Sutras – Website

* Masala Podcast

* Pre-order: Bad Daughter Memoir by Sangeeta Pillai

* Sangeeta on Instagram

* Sangeeta on LinkedIn

Recurring Links

* Coworking Values Podcast on LinkedIn

* Register for European Coworking Day

* Visit the Workspace Design Show

* Join the 8k+ LinkedIn Coworking Group

* Connect with Bernie on LinkedIn

* Unreasonable Connection – Lu.ma

One More Thing

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Community is the key 🔑

In this episode, we have Claudius Krucker, Initiator and Network Builder of the European Coworking Day. He is also known as the Coworking Evangelist and one of the faces behind the European Coworking Assembly.

In 2015, Claudius had his own coworking space and drafted the statutes, and founded the board of Coworking Switzerland. Since then, the organisation has grown to nearly 200 coworking spaces in all regions of Switzerland. 

The Coworking Switzerland manifesto emphasizes collaboration over competition, participation over observation, doing over saying friendship over formality, boldness over assurance, learning over expertise, people over personalities, and flexibility. 

The idea of European coworking began when Claudius participated in the international coworking day last year.

Tune in as Bernie and Claudius talk about how European Coworking Day is creating a great way to raise awareness of the value of coworking for businesses and their local communities.

Links:

CreativeSpace 

My Local Presence 

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In this episode of the Coworking Values Podcast, focusing on I.D.E.A, South Africa's own Natalie Du Toit is the star of this episode. She cares deeply about brand expansion and reputation management in the digital age, and she is the only person to ever carry her country's flag in both the Olympic and Paralympic games.

With her swimming career behind her, Natalie is now putting her energy into her work as a digital marketer and content creator at Innocomm. 

She is eager to talk about the significance of IDEA (Inclusion, Diversity, Equality, and Accessibility) since she is enthusiastic about bridging the gap between sports and business.

Natalie du Toit elaborates on why she values equality, diversity, accessibility, and inclusion. She was able-bodied until losing a limb when she was 17 years old, making her disability 21 years ago.

She was able to compete in both able-bodied and disabled swimming events, though she found the former more challenging. She thinks life is precious and shouldn't be put in a box.

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In this episode, Bernie is back with Johanna Voll of the Coworking Library. 

Join them as they talk about Deskmag launching the Global Coworking Survey to explore the industry’s rapid transformation. Join us in this episode to find out why YOU should take the survey and share it with all your coworking friends.

Your insights will help shape the future of the coworking industry and provide valuable insights to operators and members alike.

We encourage everyone to join the Global Coworking Survey and look forward to hearing from coworkers all over the world.

Your feedback will be used to help define the future of the coworking industry and will be helpful to both operators and members.

Would you mind taking a few moments out of your day to provide some feedback?

Help spread the word & share the survey by becoming an official supporter.

Find out how here: Global Coworking Survey 

Article on Deskmag: Join the 2023 Global Coworking Survey 

All of Deskmag’s publications about the Global Coworking Survey: https://www.deskmag.com/en/coworking-statistics-all-results-of-the-global-coworking-survey-research-studies-948 

Coworking IDEA Project 

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