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Big Rich sits down with ORMHOF inductee Dan VandenHeuvel—aka the Flying Dutchman—for a life-in-off-road masterclass spanning 40+ years of racing, building, promoting, and giving back.

Listen in for the these highlights:

·       First Crandon experience and the DIY beginnings

·       The legendary first race

·       Evolution of safety and tech

·       The rise and reshuffling of Midwest short course: SODA, CORR, World Series, TORC, and Lucas Oil 

·       Promoting events in Oshkosh and Antigo, and the hard realities of venues, neighbors, and budgets 

·       The power of volunteers and community glue at tracks like Crandon 

·       and MORE!!

If you enjoy stories of grit, ingenuity, and heart, this one’s a keeper. 

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Big Rich sits down with Brian Busby, the SoCal gearhead who turned a love of speed into a life in racing—and became “the fuel guy” for some of off-road’s biggest events.

From San Clemente surf breaks near Nixon’s Western White House to wrenching through ROP, Brian shares how a 16-year-old with a Baja Bug ended up racing everything from Class 8 to Trophy Truck and Class 1 (including a 2019 championship). Hear about his first official race—the 1987 Baja 500 that lasted two miles—his drag boat days piloting “Bad Idea” hydros, and the heart-stopping moments riding with Dale Dondel and surviving a 110-mph roll with Brandon Arthur.

Brian also dives into his 17-year Mercedes-Benz career as a specialty engineer (including authoring a global TSB), his pivot to racing fuels, and scaling a small shop into a West Coast powerhouse supplying F&L, VP, and Sunoco—before landing at Merritt Oil and helping launch Fuel Factory across the Western states and Mexico.

Don’t miss the backstory of the Rebelle Rally: the cold, chaotic first year, how fueling 50 teams turned into fueling an entire city-on-wheels, and the now-legendary Busby Games—born from “Busbyland” and officially part of Rebelle lore.

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Big Rich sits down with West Virginia history buff, Ford fanatic, and long-time off-roader Jack Sloan. From learning to drive in a ‘73 Wagoneer to 22 years with his beloved Ford Explorer “The Raisin,” Jack shares how small-town roots, family campouts, and a love for the hills shaped a life behind the wheel.

-            Growing up in Fairmont, WV (home of the pepperoni roll), coal country culture, and early outdoor adventures 

-            Jack’s path from auto parts counter to independent collision center manager—and building a life around cars and trails 

-            The Explorer addiction: TTB, SAS, 37s, and why “simple” builds win on long trips - Ultimate Adventure stories: getting picked, guiding at Good Evening Ranch, and the friendships that fueled Adventure Wheelers East (AWE) 

-            Policy matters: WV Senator Mark Maynard’s pro-motorsports legislation and why legal access plates help keep trails alive 

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Mary McGee is a legend in off-road racing; solo’d the Baja 500 on a bike as the first person to do so; a woman who never learned to quit and always said yes to everything offered. She thinks she’s the luckiest woman ever, her history is a great story. Mary was inducted in the Off Road Motorsports Hall of Fame in 2023. Mary is why we say; legends live at ORMHOF.org.  Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

3:31 – My 9-year-old brother and myself (age 5), by ourselves went on the steamship from Juneau to Seattle

19:29 – Vashak said to Dan, Mary, she should road race the motorcycles, make even smoother than the car.                                

24:45 – Women couldn’t have credit cards in their name, they couldn’t have anything in their own name. 

29:41 – “Are you motorcycle people?” yes, “You have to leave”

34:24 – my friend, Steve McQueen, said, “Mary, you have got to get off that pansy road racing bike and come out to the desert.”  Will I have to get dirty?

55:48 – We only made it to El Arco and it was freezing; I went around and around that fire and got myself nice and hot and went right over to those two guys sleeping on cardboard and slithered right in between them

1:10:34 – Once you start something, you should see it through to the end, however it goes.

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Cowboy Matt Deas, one of the OG rockcrawlers hails from North Carolina where he raises kids and horses. Matt shares with us some great stories about rockcrawling in the early days.. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

5:16 – Man, I love my childhood going to school and stuff, there were 89 of us in my graduating 

10:43 – Once I got healed, I started ordering parts and got me a trail rig             

17:11 – from 02-03 the sport evolved more, more participants and stuff 

22:07 – Jellico was always my favorite because that’s where it all started for me

29:44 – Probably the WE Rock in ’07 we ended up third, but I remember the level of competition was huge

38:56 – I want to say it was ’10 a lot of people were coming back, they caught their breath and was like, hey, we survived the storm

47:01 – I’m going to treat myself for a while, I’m going to treat myself for a while, I made it three weeks

57:44 – We ought to put a show on, get some sponsorship and really pump it up – you woulda been proud of me.

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Nicole Pitell brings her own brand of hype to every conversation, she shares the inside scoop of Total Chaos to the podcast. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

6:12 – at the end of the day, it’s what makes each of us individually happy is what’s going to elevate you and take you to the next level

12:05 – I want noted for the record, I suck at driving in mud             

19:47 – our product line comes from having to build better parts for our friends who were pitting for us 

25:44 – I think you need good competition to elevate your innovation and your passion

32:50 – they just let me go full stupid down south of the border

41:33 – An all women’s? That sounds horrible was the first thing I said to her.

46:03 – I really like to have fun in life, no bad days

55:12 – I don’t hang around with people that aren’t motivated, inspired, and driven every day

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Glenn Classen made a big move from South Africa to the US to expand his market for shock absorbers – almost 20 years in, he’s continued to grow and develop Radflo for the off-road market. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

3:46 – as a kid, being aware of anything socially or politically about how the country ran you weren’t aware of until much later

11:44 – let’s fire this thing back up, we made parts and started selling shocks             

13:01 – in any business, there’s massive swings of good luck and bad 

16:11 – that’s how I sold it to my wife, we’d come over to the US for two years and then go home

23:04 – I came over here and very quickly realized that this was a massive pond and I was a very small fish

33:23 – we are just a shock manufacturer

38:44 – we make shocks to suit the different lift kit manufacturers, we don’t do generic

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Stan Haynes has rock sports under his skin; a long-time supporter of both series and competitors, Stan shares life in a family-run business with us. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

6:07 – I thought I was getting drafted to go die in Vietnam

11:24 – 57’  Chevy, I hot-rodded the heck out of it             

15:52 – we still continue with Branik doing foundry work and ceating master tooling, molds, and dies making thousands of parts and a foundry and castings 

19:50 – in starting a business you’re going to go through hard times, but be prepared and try to always have the attitude of don’t give up

28:49 – I started going to King of the Hammers in ’09 and two years later we’re racing

32:17 – I love free market, I love capitalism, it really enhances a business to be better.

41:52 – What a beautiful place of God’s Green Earth, everyone needs to experience the Rubicon, am I right?

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Steven Adams is a lighting master; one of the founders of Rigid Lights, he’s stepped up again with Nacho Offroad Technology. The world is brighter with Steve in it, be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

5:33 – I’m sure he thought I would just throw my life away because I wasn’t being an airline pilot

17:16 – I pulled up Bender’s How to Bend Tech 101 and taught myself how to make a light bar             

21:38 – Hey, if you’re going to do this, here’s what you need to do…  

28:14 – We need to make this an American made light

38:38 – not that making money is a bad thing, but that was the only thing

48:24 – I didn’t realize you don’t have scientists growing week, you have stoners growing weed

57:18 – We’re not going to do anything if we don’t have fun doing it!

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YouTube star Nicole Johnson brings a load of experience to her channel, she’s on a mission to drive everything – but we shouldn’t be surprised she’s already mastered race cars, rockcrawlers, and Monster trucks! Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

5:36 – Snow? People live in snow, that must suck!

16:20 – Frank would just…it was really cure, he would stand up and be like, “that’s my wife!”             

23:25 – we’re just enthusiasts, we love to target shoot  

29:04 – the buggy we bought was so capable, it out drove me every time

35:37 – that $400 is going to cost you how many hours to really get that relationship where it needs to be

45:48 – “when I lower my arm, floor it and go 20 feet.” when you floor it, it’s going to have some torque squat

1:00:51 – I was always telling my kids, you guys should appreciate me more, I’m super cool!

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Meet Emme Hall, off-road racer, Miata lover, cat herder, and freelance journalist. A woman of many talents and a bright personality, you’ll enjoy this one! Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

6:30 – I was never the ingenue; I’m way too weird for that!

10:42 – because life is too short to drive something that isn’t fun             

19:22 – I was in my late 30’s. That’s old to start racing, because you got fear.  

31:11 – So you should see these straight lines, and there are people where it looks like spaghetti!

35:39 – I got to drive with Tanner Faust riding right seat for me

43:17 – At the Mint 400, Matt Martelli gave us a gambler class, they gave us 100 miles, one lap.

54:00 – That sounds good, let’s get a $400,000 Cullinan to take on an off-road rally

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Don Amador has been a land user for a lifetime, and a land use warrior for almost as long. Don was inducted into the Off Road Motorsports Hall of Fame in 2016. Don is why we say; legends live at ORMHOF.org.  Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

5:24 – the happiest day of my life being a Native Californian was moving back to Northern California

12:00 – I guess my activism scared a couple of board members, so I got uninvited from the board                                

16:23 – I was appointed by Pete Wilson in ’94 to be on the OHV Commission of State Parks 

22:30 – moving from unmanaged to managed recreation has really benefited OHV on a national scale

30:53 – a lot of our offroad opportunities occur at the local level with decisions made by local land managers

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Buggy builder, Joe Thompson lays it all out in Episode 190; self-taught welder and bike enthusiast, Joe brings his varied background to the winningest drivers. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

4:08 – I would think to myself, there’s a bada**, I want to be like that!

13:19 – even when I was a BMX grom, I was glued to ESPN watching the Baja 1000

21:24 – “Are you any good?” Well, I’ve been told I have a good hand.  

29:18 – We’d always park the buggy on the street with a giant welding sign and an arrow pointing to the shop; I got lots of work from that.

39:35 – I know what’s wrong, I can fix it, Marcos totally blew me off

53:58 – the Gomez brothers and I are partners in winning, that’s what we’re partners in

58:50 – I see the fully independent cars being the future.

1:16:31 – The uniqueness of our sport is incredible

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This week, Big Rich sits down with rising Ultra4 racer Matthew Slyngstad. Born and raised in San Jose, Matthew shares how a teenage speeding ticket steered him into a slow Jeep—and a fast off-road life. From cello and wrestling in high school to wrenching summers in the family construction business, he built the fabrication chops that power his racing today.

Highlights: 

·       Early days: Bay Area roots, yearbook photo editor, wrestling, and a love for the outdoors. 

·       Montana years: slower pace, more dirt—fishing, wheeling, and hunting. - Dogs and discipline: competing in Schutzhund with a powerhouse German Shepherd. – 

·       First Jeep mods: rock sliders as his first welding project; Rubicon trips that sparked bigger builds. 

·       Ultra4 entry: mentored by Jack Taggart and welcomed into Jason Scherer’s Rage 4 team; pit crew to Baja 1000 with Ford’s programs. 

·       The leap to racing: buying a 4800 car just weeks before KOH 2025; pre-running, shock tuning, and sponsor hustling. 

·       Race day rollercoaster: comms failure at the start, blazing desert pace, a boulder impact and broken rear upper link, pit heroics—and a proud finish, 18th in class. – 

Shoutout to the entire Rage 4th crew—and old-school legend Jeff Mello—for making the dream real.

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Ed Pearlman was ahead of his time, creating the first Mexican 1000 which later translated into NORRA; he founded the Off Road Motorsports Hall of Fame, as well. Today we remember him with a conversation with his son, Mike Pearlman. Ed is why we say; legends live at ORMHOF.org.  Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

3:10 – we never saw a Land Cruiser before, it was a real Tarzan vehicle back then.

8:18 – if we can only get 60 entries, at $100 an entry, that’d be enough to pay for the event                                

11:37 – you misunderstood, this is the Off Road Rally Association, it’s not a race, it’s a rally 

22:11 – why don’t we just put on a vintage race?

34:43 – it all started because Dad wanted to take his kid hunting

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I don’t want to say Val Douglas is a catastrophe because wherever she is, there’s a whole lot of fun going on.  Listen in on some great stories from this off-road maven; and her connections to some of the biggest brands in off-road. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

7:17 – I would take my 88 t-bird and follow the guys, my dad loved me for that.

20:46 – I was shell-shocked, Grand Junction to Laramie to Atlanta; I was over it.             

24:38 – go pack these bearings full of grease, then stick them in this tube, and don’t drop them on the floor! 

37:55 – in Colorado, you have to stay on the trail, it’s not like an open OHV area, Colorado is a big stickler for that

45:21 – the start of the yard sale at Potato Salad Hill….{be sure to listen to this one}

1:04.35 – competing was a whole different ballgame

1:10:35 – queen of the Rubicon Rodeo; champion bull rider

1:19:59 – my giant black German Shepherd is a personal protection dog; he won’t bite you until I tell him to

1:31:54 – what is the sweep team?

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Rebelle Rally 3x champion, Melissa Clark, shares her life in off-road from Pritchett Canyon to the Glamis Sand Dunes. A Ford-sponsored driver, Melissa brings Tread Lightly! policies to everyone she teaches. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

5:00 – I still consider myself an OR nurse

9:05 – …it got me close to Magic Moab             

16:56 – my real gateway drug was definitely Moab 

23:28 – we teach good, solid off-road techniques and then the nuances of the Bronco

35:37 – I’m very competitive by nature, so I like games

40:57 – the suffering aspect of the Rebelle is what makes the finishing so sweet

49:42 – your vehicle is your third teammate and there are pros and cons to every person on the team

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Some men are always motivated, Clyde Bynum, the godfather of rock-bouncing shares his best advice on Episode 186. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

9:17 – the truth is, I enjoy work

13:45 – we focused on mini-trucks until about 10 years ago             

17:59 – climbing hills is something I’ve done since the days of the three-wheeler 

24:52 – if it went bad, you were going to cartwheel multiple times back to the bottom

35:03 – Timmie Cameron has been probably the biggest name

43:17 – Bobby Tanner gave my son CJ the chance to drive

49:36 – I studied for 24 hours and became a national satellite installer so that I can cross this bridge at my first event

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A champion of vocational education, Scott Taylor is a winning short course racer, race shop owner, and manufacturer of performance competition parts. Congratulations to Scott Taylor, a 2022 inductee into ORMHOF; Scott is why we say; legends live at ORMHOF.org.  Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

5:41 – I would take things apart I shouldn’t take apart

10:38 – I advocate deeply with high schools on how important it is to keep the five things of vocational training…                                

19:29 – I had a really good car and I drove the wheels off of it 

27:29 – He was a lot faster than me, but I had my eyes set on somebody I had to beat

36:26 – we weren’t cheating, but we were building our own stuff and ahead of our times

45:25 – it’s like an old girlfriend calling you up after 10 years and wanting to start dating again

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Some personalities just transcend the airways; Chris Bolger is one of those. Always a storyteller at heart. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

7:26 – when I say I was a nerd, I mean mathlete, academic decathlon, and all the nerd stuff you could possibly do

10:12 – I never really got into breaking stuff off-road until I got in the army             

16:05 – legal drinking age is four foot six, as long as you can see over the top of the bar 

21:00 – George was a genius, he figured he couldn’t get enough tires from all the manufacturers, so he would just make his own

31:36 – you had two larger-than-life personalities trying to make something awesome happen

38:33 – the best thing about my time with KOH was the friends I developed

43:50 – I tried to quit the industry, Rich, I really did

49:14 – I’m 20 whatever years old, doing bikini model fittings because I can sew.

54:54 – My daughter is scary, she’s 12 years old, running her own business, and she goes with me to midget wrestling matches

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We can’t always plan our lives, an accident near the start of his career put Evan Evans in a wheelchair. But that didn’t slow him down; Evan went on to win 57 times and six Championships! Congratulations to Evan Evans, a 2023 inductee into ORMHOF; Evan is why we say; legends live at ORMHOF.org.  Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

5:40 – when we stayed in Ensenada as a kid, I would use stickers like money

7:50 – it was John Nelson who gave me my shot at racing                                

12:31 – “you driving this pre-runner Datsun, which isn’t even a real race truck, is like you winning overall” 

20:15 – I went through rehab in four months…two days later, I was in the race truck at the Baja 1000 starting line

26:34 – I needed a hell of a brake system to get enough power to stop the vehicle with my arms

30:35 – I only had $8K to go back and race a full season

37:33 – at this point, only myself and Dale Earnhardt, Sr had two contracts with Chevrolet as spokespersons and race car drivers

47:07 – all my heroes are in ORMHOF; to be included is a huge honor

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What do glitter and rockcrawling have in common? Only the lightning strikes of Erik “Camo” Linker – Camo is the co-founder of Pirate 4x4 and a good friend; we are thrilled to have him on the podcast (finally!)  Buckle up; you are in for an adventure. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

7:26 – growing up in the era was magical; I tease my mom that we raised ourselves

15:34 – “the bad news is you don’t have enough credits to graduate, the good news is we don’t want you back”             

23:46 – Over the next 18 years, we turned the business into what everybody knows as the Glitter King 

28:40 – I broke my neck crashing, I was better at crashing than winning

31:20 – that was my first connection on Pirate with my fake internet friends became real

41:16 – we just went with the mindset of destroying sh*t

52:29 – the thing I’m most proud of with Pirate years is how it enabled so many people to make a business out of something they loved

1:07:37 – that’s what the internet is best at and Pirate was the best of the best

1:16:37 – the offroad angels (this is one of my favorite stories EVER!)

1:40:11 – the sale of Pirate 4x4

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Warning:  For mature audiences only. To say Jody Everding has a storied past is an understatement.  Jody tells it like it was and it’s a great listen, be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

5:26 – I played a little flag football with the after-school kids, but I was always the last kid picked

15:34 – being a punk, skinny little kid, they used to call me Wormy              

22:40 – “how are you going to buy parts? Offroading is expensive!” – I’m gonna be famous! 

30:57 – I hauled my stuff up there and I had intended to compete but I just petered out

40:09 – nobody talks to the new spotter guy, you’re like a second class citizen, low level flunky

48:14 – it was an unfair advantage for me

56:15 – it was a little of what I’d learned from Dustin about looking like a million bucks!

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Land use warrior Matt Westrich brings his Army experience to the battlefields of organizational combat. Matt has great experience and knowledge to share with all of us. It’s a great listen, be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

4:44 – Al Bundy is modeled after me

8:30 – Utah, where the heck is Utah?              

22:36 – I get into announcing because nobody else in the club wanted to pick up a microphone 

26:54 – Craig goes to push me, and I’m like, what are you doing?

39:27 – In the land use community, we have had to fight heavily to keep the area from being developed

45:39 – Land use is a fickle thing; nobody wants to talk about it

53:17 – I did $19,000 worth of body damage to my PowerWagon

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In this episode of Conversations with Big Rich, Texas native Lance Gilbert traces his winding path from small-town Keller and church-band guitars to VW shops, GM dealerships, architecture school, homebuilding—and a post-9/11 pivot back to off-road. Lance shares formative years at Sunray Engineering with the late Tom Ellison, a decade at PSC with Tom Allen, and deep roots in early Ultra4 and King of the Hammers.

Highlights: - Early days: fishing, bikes, first wrenching job at a VW/Audi/Porsche shop; first rigs from Suburbans to Isuzu pickups and Jeeps. - Career pivots: dealerships to homebuilding; how 9/11 led to Sunray and custom axle innovation; later years at PSC and into Tribe 16. - Racing stories: Class 3 in Baja, the early KOH era, and a memorable Vegas to Reno with the Texas crew. - Tribe 16 name: a nod to 4x4 (“the 16”) and the “night shift” culture of building with friends. - Today at Tribe 16: customer Jeeps, high-end builds and restorations (Scout, ’72 Commando, CJ-7), gear and maintenance, and two new Tribe chassis trail cars. - Community first: Texas trail rides, shop trips, the legendary Crawfish Boil, and why local shops collaborate more than they compete.

Lance’s take: passion fuels the work, but relationships sustain the business—and the off-road family is the heartbeat of Tribe 16. 

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Advocacy and education are what ORMHOF inductee Jim Bramham, brings to the table. Leading the fight for years in preserving public lands, Jim does the hard part, a walking encyclopedia of OHV knowledge and land use, we are pleased to introduce him to more than California. Congratulations to Jim Bramham, a 2018 inductee into ORMHOF; Jim is why we say; legends live at ORMHOF.org.  Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

6:51 – my neighbor bought a Jeep and I spent hours in his garage asking questions

11:29 – “You’re not going to college; you’re coming to work here.”                                

15:34 – to this day, I’ve never seen anything that would do snow like that Travelall. 

20:19 – you can’t ruin what you want to play with

26:32 – it really hurt to see somebody so dedicated to a place…have to accept that it was just going to go away

38:36 – the fact that a law enforcement presence exists, helps not just with OHV management, but with the management of all potential problems in the forest

43:15 – it’s the campfire circle that’s going to push this information to the public

49:40 – that’s going to be the push, to eliminate the randomness

55:44 – the Senate is the War Zone over land use, it always will be

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ORMHOF inductee Curt Leduc, Class of 2015, shares some great storytelling; living life to the best of his abilities, Curt has made his own luck along the way with hard work and dedication to his craft. Congratulations to Curt Leduc, a 2015 inductee into ORMHOF; Curt is why we say; legends live at ORMHOF.org.  Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

3:10 – between mini-skirts and mary jane, it made for a very challenging time

8:58 – the entrepreneurs in this country are C students…looking out the window…thinking about what they’re going to do                                

14:58 –come outside, I want to show you something… 

24:10 – “What scares you?” I had to think, the only thing that scares me is failure

31:13 – there’s two ways we can do this…

41:42 – oh, I want to go to Dakar

54:28 – I call it Paul because I’m stealing from Peter to build Paul

1:01:22 – when my boys started racing, they had to go to every sponsorship meeting, because I wanted them to hear what the people wanted

1:18:24 – his immune system is down, but his spirits are up

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Classic over-achiever, Laura Butcher, shares an unparalleled perspective into off-road. Currently heading up VORRA and Farmy’s Off Road Park, along with her full-time gig at Tread Lightly! Laura is a wonder. Listen in on the experience she brings to the table. It’s a great listen, be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

5:05 – “are you willing to give welding a shot and be on the Ag Mechanics team?”

22:09 – In EMS, if you can make it in Vegas, you can make it anywhere. I became addicted to the chaos              

30:41 – it was 58 below, I ended up with second-degree burns along my rib cage 

36:03 – when my brother said, Can you please come home, I came home.

47:24 – everything forward became very serendipitous, starting with the Rebelle Rally

59:41 – We had the VORRA name, now what?

1:09:19 – It all ties together between VORRA, Tread Lightly! and Farmy’s – what led me there was my constant difficulty with BLM permitting.

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There’s never a direct path to the finish line. Don Moss started in Demo Derbies, raced Circle Track, and then found his way to Class 3 Championships. If you’ve ever wondered how to get into off-road, this is what it’s all about. It’s a great listen, be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

7:50 – It’s a long ways to any parts stores in Bishop

13:28 – I think I was in college before I bought a car that I actually drove home              

25:53 – we figured out how to save the cars and how to build the cars and what cars to start with 

32:15 – each time you add a person, you add about 30 minutes to your departure time

44:19 – we talked about what it would take to do a 2000-mile race and came up with the ’79 Bronco

52:49 – we’ve got five of the Toyota True Grit awards for finishing all the miles of all the races in the season

56:26 – we’re never going to be able to catch anybody to hit anybody

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ORMHOF inductee Chris Collard, Class of 2015, shares some great storytelling, which is right in his wheelhouse. Who knew  you could go from UPS driver to premier magazine editor and writer?  That’s my favorite part of the story, how Chris gets invited and takes the opportunity to get in the room. So grateful to interview long-time history-makers in the industry. 

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3:00 – surfing or milking goats, which would you do?

9:03 – I worked since I could walk                                

19:54 –The UPS guys were the world sex symbols 

29:14 – I’m on a first-class flight, and Mark Smith was querying me; the finale – damn kid, get off your ass and do it!

32:21 – if you’re going to be a photographer, you better be a writer, too!

39:45 – good storytellers put you in the seat with them

49:22 – The story starts…I remember being in Zambia (be sure to listen to this one!)

53:46 – I’m historically an optimist, but I’ve had some moments…this one time in Morocco (another great story!)

59:06 – I’ll take some morphine for the road

1:07:03 – The runway is like a worm, but don’t worry, the pilots have some vodka before they land

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Renowned automotive photographer Boyd Jaynes is a publisher, off-road racer, and head of the Dusty Times publication.  It’s a great listen, be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

8:03 – I really aspired to be an artist like my mom, but I couldn’t draw to save my life

13:16 – I bought myself a little Honda scooter before I had a driver’s license and railroaded my mom to thinking it was legal              

20:45 – I had a one-in-a-million photography teacher in high school 

34:22 – hey dude, you can’t send us film anymore, they were insistent

42:48 – I went to places that back then were crazy to go to… every time they told us not to do something, that’s exactly what we did

49:45 – and then I learned I can make a living shooting automobiles – this is so cool!

56:28 – we should find an old truck and try to do that, well, we should get an old Bronco, and that’s what we did

1:04:20 – what dusty Times used to be was not lost on me, what it was was a revered publication. 

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Have you been looking at portals for your Jeep, Bronco or Tacoma, we found your source. Quinn Pultz at 74 Weld gives the low-down on building his business. Great stories, good insight.  It’s a great listen, be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

5:45 – I followed my brother's footsteps in everything he did, if he wanted to do it, I naturally wanted to do it too

18:22 – If you really want to prepare somebody for college, hand them a packet of information and say, we’re going to test you on this, go study.              

23:47 – the engineers we’re training nowadays can draw a doorknob, they have no idea how it works or how it’s made 

32:20 – I got into a Jeep, broke the rear track bar mount, paid $500 to fix it and broke it the next weekend, I thought, I can’t afford to do this!

40:53 – making your living off somebody’s hobby is a difficult thing to do

48:26 – I was so focused I couldn’t make it out of my shop for anything, so I peed in a bucket in the corner

53:51 – it’s really how I got where I got is asking questions of the right people who are willing to teach me along the way

1:26:21 – I believe if I’m going to develop a product, it’s got to fall into one of three categories…

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Technically homeless, Travis C. Bunch lives in Moab with his ten cars. Yep, that says cars, not cats. Travis produces the Flat Fender Aficionado, a storytelling periodical. He’s got great insight into the world of Jeeps.  It’s a great listen, be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

3:35 – with a Jeep you can turn it off when you’re getting over your head

12:29 – I’ve had over 62 cars so far, around 30 of them have been Jeeps              

21:47 – You guys are living in a school bus, right? 

27:29 – it took me a while to get over the programmed fear of getting shot on private property to be able to explore public lands

35:12 – we call those guys freegans

41:15 – I always say you got to have a love for pain and suffering if you’re going to be a flat fender driver

58:13 – the Go Devil Run is more of a reenactment of what the people do with the WWII stuff

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ORMHOF inductee Brian Chuchua, Class of 1978, drops some cherry bombs on us as he tells the Jeep history from the beginning. From paying $5,000 for a Jeep franchise to participating in year 2 of Jeep Jamboree to racing the first Mexican 1000 and founding SEMA. So grateful to interview long-time history-makers in the industry. Congratulations to Brian Chuchua, a 1978 inductee into ORMHOF, Brian is why we say; legends live at ORMHOF.org.  Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

5:09 – education today is not career-advancing, for sure

10:59 – I was drag racing my Jeep with the V8 at all the local drag strips                                

14:28 – I made the cover of Popular Mechanics 

17:24 – the Pan American highway existed, but the bridges did not, so you had to ford all these rivers

25:15 – I drove my Jeep up the steps of the Sydney Opera House

30:09 – we built the first Blazer and sold the name to Chevrolet

36:54 – the original SEMA was to fight the legislation on wheels

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Community-minded, Tyler Laursen is on episode 170 of Conversations with Big Rich. Tyler brings a rich history of giving back to the industry, from improving products at MorrFlate to educating wheelers on best practices on the SnailTrail 4x4 podcast; listen in to see what all he’s up to.  It’s a great listen, be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

10:45 – You’ve got everything within two hours of Sac; the beach, hunting, the mountains, wheeling, whitewater rafting

15:13 – if you’re passionate about something, I found the best way to make sure it succeeds is just do it and take it over              

19:57 – Right place, right time with a good product that solved a major pain point 

33:03 – I hate patents; I think they are something companies hide behind to hide bad customer service

38:24 – I’m all for DIY; there’s a lot of really rad stuff in the industry that came from the garage

44:31 – it’s people who love going out wheeling and love helping people

57:53 – Toyota first Gens are like legos; you just put them together and bolt them together

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In this episode, Rich sits down with Chris Holloway, the founder of the Midwest Overland & Off-Road Expo (MOORE) in Springfield, Missouri. Chris shares his unlikely path from ice cream truck entrepreneur and diesel tech to building one of the Midwest’s premier overland and off-road trade shows. 

Highlights - From Massachusetts to Missouri: family, music roots, and early hustle - The “40 Licks” ice cream truck, party wagons, and learning business young - Tech school turnaround: graduating top of his class in diesel electronics - Grease to growth: from shop broom to youngest service manager running a dealership - First rigs, JK life, and discovering community through wheeling and camping - Throwing trail events, fundraising, and the mentor who sparked MOORE Expo - Launching MOORE: 50 vendors, 2,000 attendees, then doubling during COVID - Vendor retention, event fatigue, and why brands cycle regions - Expanding into PowerSports and the “dot…dot…dot” of overlanding (hiking, hunting, bikes, kayaks, shooting sports) - What’s next: big reinvestments and a major reimagining post-2026 

Event + Contact - MOORE Expo: April 17–18, 2026 — Springfield, MO - Info/Vendors: mooreexpo.com (contact form goes to Chris) - Email: chris@mooreexpo.com 

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Class of 1978 inductee Vic Wilson comes with many accolades including the first ever winner of the Mexican 1000 in 1967. Long-time racer, track promoter and Volkswagen guy, Vic brings the memories alive for us. Congratulations to Vic Wilson, a 1978 inductee into ORMHOF, Vic Wilson is why we say; legends live at ORMHOF.org.  Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

7:06 – in those days, dirt bikes weren’t available

14:21 – I modified the mount for the 50 caliber machine gun to make a roll bar           

19:34 – “you enjoy racing, how would you like to drive my Meyer’s Manx in this first race?” 

29:14 – no pit stops, no gas stations, Bruce organized people to be at certain locations to fuel us.

38:10 – I raced the Toyota Land Cruiser, broke my nose because the thing is so bloody heavy in the front

44:20 – because of my involvement in Saddleback Park, I got to build, design and layout offroad vehicle parks in California

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King of the Motos, Rebelle Rally, Dirt Bike Test, Dakar, and the Jimmy Lewis Off-Road Riding School… there are a lot of balls in the air for a self-proclaimed washed-up motorcycle racer. Take a trip around the world with Jimmy and Rich while they talk about the evolution of motorcycles in off-road.  It’s a great listen, be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

4:15 – I was only interested in school because it kept the motorcycles coming

11:18 – the original deal was we would ride once a month; it wasn’t going to become a thing              

20:20 – I want to do this, how can you race and make money? 

30:11 – I was really enjoying what I was doing, basically living in my box van, traveling around the country, and racing

34:10 – “Hey, do you want my job?”

38:54 – “We might be able to put something together for Dakar” – so, it was game on!

48:19 – you train and you focus and you do the right thing

58:03 – The way I like to put it is I ride the race, I don’t race the race

1:06:14 – I understood our audience, I knew who I was talking to

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Family man, Nate Hurst – the milkman, joins us on Episode 167 to talk about competitive rockcrawling, Rock Crawlers for Sale, and the Delta Classic Rock Crawl. Still on a high from a great weekend at Delta, Nate tells some funny stories about him and Ryan Maxfield. It’s a great listen, be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

4:52 – It was a curse, doing well in school pretty easily, it was a curse

12:18 – it was really awesome until 3 months ago, our bank collapsed in outstanding fashion              

17:01 – my dad’s desire to work on stuff himself molded me a bit 

22:06 – then, in 2008, I bought the current XJ I have, Snowflake

28:43 – “Well, are you going around for the bonus line?” I was like, year, I’m doing the bonus line!

36:51 – I have the big check for $45 hanging in my garage

41:56 – the relationship is crazy because we’ve got each others lives in our hands

51:15 – He’s like, where’s the cone at? And she held her hands right up in the air, and then patted the cone three or four time – the cones’ right here!

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If you’re a military vet, look up Admiral Mike with Mag7 and WarFighter Made, you’ll likely find him in Baja; he’ll help you find your family. Offroad or military, there is so much love. Mike tells a great story and the history of Mag7 – real and embellished. It’s a great listen, be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

4:43 – I decided I needed something that was a little more comfortable to drive, so I moved up to a class 9

9:29 – What I love about this offroad community is my family, my earned family              

15:40 – there is the truth, and then there is the embellishments of the truth 

25:05 – The logistics is what makes us successful

34:13 – I look at what we do in Mag7; it’s almost like a special forces organization, they’re self-selecting in what they do

47:48 – I’m absolutely convinced that we lose 22 vets a day to suicide because they’ve lost a sense of purpose and they’ve lost that military family

53:29 – people don’t know that Bruce Meyers was a real hero in World War II

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Larry Minor credits his friends for a great racing career, from Rodney Hall to Herman Booy to Bill Stroppe – they all started at the beginning. It’s always a great time to be in off-road, but the beginning was pure magic. Following a compass or a paper map is very different than what we do today. Congratulations to Larry Minor, a 2005 inductee into ORMHOF, Larry Minor is why we say; legends live at ORMHOF.org.  Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

6:29 – of all the things I’ve done in life, I think I miss growing potatoes the most

10:18 – my hot rod was just a wood one, couple of 2x4’s and an apple box                             

14:38 – the three of us together, there wasn’t anything we couldn’t build right 

19:07 – we had a banner year driving the Broncos; after that Rod continued to drive the 4x4’s

22:15 – he smoked the tires and hit the guardrail and the other guardrail, it was a mess!

31:56 – I better buckle down and watch the business and quit the driving part

37:17 – I took 18 Girl Scouts and 13 parents to the Winter Nationals!

42:13 – Bill Stroppe taught me the professional part of racing and how to prepare your cars

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Are you headed to the Delta Classic Rock Crawl this weekend?  Listen in to this great interview with Ryan Maxfield to hear all the details.  It’s not just about Delta; it’s about life in Utah, building a business, and addictive rockcrawling. Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

4:39 – we were definitely skipping out on school to go ride instead of sitting in class

10:50 – I discovered Pirate 4x4; I’ll probably never financially recover from that              

18:20 – that was the day, I was like, I need a buggy in my life 

24:04 – we underestimated stepping up to pro courses

37:26 – I didn’t have a ton of motivation to make events this year, then I watched the live feed, and I’ve been on the sidelines long enough

51:35 – Delta will always have a special place in my heart; when we got the opportunity to take it over, it was a no-brainer

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We don’t tend to think of influencers in the octogenarian stage, but Bob Ham certainly qualifies. Bob spent his career influencing people where it mattered, in land use advocacy in the California State Legislature. From forming CORVA to being on the Off-Road Motorsports Hall of Fame Board of Directors, Bob knows how to get things done and impact others. A 2006 inductee into ORMHOF, Bob Ham is why we say; legends live at ORMHOF.org.  Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

3:50 – I started picking up Spanish and really getting engaged with the culture down there

8:43 – I probably went to virtually every Baja 1000 since the ’69 event                                

12:06 – we formed CORVA in 1971 and got involved writing bills 

23:27 – there ought to be a law that allows green stickered vehicles to connect a trail – we got it, Assembly Bill 1201

32:13– most lobbyists come in just the way I did, as former legislative staffers

42:45 – it’s not the offroad Racing hall of fame, it’s the offroad hall of fame

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Dove Creek, Colorado produces pinto beans, hay, and one of the finest rockcrawling teams. Rick Deremo and Rick Gersch have known each other for a lifetime and rockcrawled as a team for many years.  Retired now, at least from crawling, they share their take on life in a small community. Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

7:19 – we’ve been around each other forever

12:43 – a lot of kids that went to school here; their folks were miners during the uranium boom                                

16:12 – you know what? I think we can do this 

22:42 – How many adaptors go from a Subaru to a C4 – it was farmerized

28:03 – I didn’t like Goldendale; it seemed like I was farming again, there was so much dirt

31:48 – Back then, ingenuity was a bigger player than money

37:18 – back then, I was drinking Monsters in between courses and stuff and getting a little hyper

47:48 – were you keeping an eye on the gauges?  No, I was just having fun!

59:18 – right now, 60% of all farmers are in their mid-60s; there are going to be a lot of retirement farms in the next few years

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ORMHOF Class of 2007 inductee Frank “Scoop” Vessels was inducted into multiple Halls of Fame in his short lifetime. Taken in a plane crash in 2010; Scoop took the Off-Road world by storm until his return to Quarter Horse life in 1993, where he was born and bred. Join his wife, Bonnie, and Big Rich for a listen in on the impact of Scoop’s life.  We are happy to be joined by family members to be able to offer interviews with inductees' families when the inductee is no longer with us. This is our history; legends live at ORMHOF.org.  Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

6:06 – That kid’s got a head like a scoop shovel!

9:29 – he passed being jockey-size when he was 12 years old                                

16:32 – that’s what got him into desert was his dad getting him off the streets 

19:15 – the pride of knowing he had done it on his own

22:58– slower is smoother, which protects the car

33:26 – in order to succeed, you couldn’t have a hiccup and forget a tree or a cactus or a rock

46:23 – you couldn’t tell Mike (Mike’s Sky Ranch) no, if he wanted to show you a secondary route, he was going to show you

51:53 – they’d flown into weather, he iced up, lost a wing, and it spiraled down on a cattle ranch

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ORMHOF Class of 2004 inductee Herman Booy was larger than life. Listen in as his daughter and nephew, Sherry and Steve, share life on the sand with Herman and his brother, Hal, and all the adventures they had. We are thrilled to be able to offer interviews with inductees' families when the inductee is no longer with us. This is our history; legends live at ORMHOF.org.  Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

7:17 – There are these sand dunes over here called Glamis; why don’t you come on out here?

14:38 – we got back to camp, and one of our buddies was gone!                                

18:59 – an amazing engineer for a man not classically trained as one 

21:49 – Dad took the conveyor belt out of the rose business and stitched it together to create the first paddle tire

27:43– no raffle tickets from Loretta, so she shot him!

33:40 – the Blue Goose was one of the first modern type motorhomes they built from a bread truck

42:32 – he had to push that car across the finish line to get the win

52:50 – what’s the worst that can happen? It doesn’t work, so you figure out what you did wrong and fix it again.

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CALL TO ACTION DEADLINE: September 15, 2025
www.blueribboncoalition.org/hammers

Host Big Rich Klein sits down with BlueRibbon Coalition’s Ben Burr and longtime Johnson Valley advocate Shannon Welch to unpack a fast-moving proposal that could reshape recreation at the Hammers. The U.S. Marine Corps has requested permanent Special Use Airspace (SUA) over Johnson Valley—from the ground up to 8,000 feet—split into four corridors (A–D). While framed as limited use, the Environmental Assessment (EA) seeks a permanent designation via the FAA, not a temporary, training-only restriction.

What’s at stake - Medevac and search-and-rescue flights for everyday users, not just races - Backcountry aviation, personal drones, and private landowners (20,000 acres impacted) - Commercial filming/testing (e.g., Ford), ranching operations, and year-round OHV access - The integrity of a Congressionally Designated OHV Area and its $71M local economic impact. A precedent of closure-by-airspace has been seen at White Sands and Yuma Proving Ground.

Community action - Comment deadline: September 15 - Submit via blueribboncoalition.org/hammers – Blue Ribbon guarantees your comments will be shared. Share widely with your OHV, aviation, ranching, and local business networks

Key points - EA claims “no significant impact,” but provides no enforceable safeguards - Marines told some stakeholders “60 days/year,” yet the EA seeks permanent SUA – Blue Ribbon’s reasonable alternative: a 1,500-foot buffer from ground/elevation to protect civilian use

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If it has an acronym, Chris May has probably raced there – KOH, ECORS, UROC, WE Rock, XRRA – it’s been a long road and now he’s started on the next generation of racers. Great stories of a couple of guys with high-budget dreams and low-budget pockets; it’s a fun listen. Be sure to tune in on your favorite podcast app.

5:52 – My dad was like, “you do not want to work on cars, that’s a bad profession”

12:08 – don’t ever take your vehicle to a WalMart, we tore up so many vehicles goofing around                                

19:52 – we entered Tuff Truck, our vehicles kind of sucked, but we entered anyway 

24:16 – being in South Carolina, we didn’t learn about a lot of stuff til later on

32:15 – I got to do something easier so I have energy to go work after work

50:08 – Drew got an invite to the OG race, be he was like, my dad’s never going to pay for that much gas to go to California

52:14 – When everybody went off the line, I just followed the last guy and took off

59:28 – my daughter is racing the kids stuff, and it’s kind of short course

1:10:46 – Keep it real, it makes it less stressful and you can have more fun

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Come Get Ya Some’s Duane Garretson lights up the podcast this week with some great stories. Learn how Duane got to be the ultimate competitor at WE Rock, Dirt Riot and Ultra4.  Good man to know, with great friends. 

3:56 – I gained a lot of independence just by having transportation

12:42 – I was really happy he was spending $6/hour when he could have been spending $3.15

18:10 – I was like, I need me one of these four wheel drives 

24:33 – hey man, where’s the biggest salvage yard?

28:55 – how the hell are we going to do this with $2,500?

38:16 – wouldn’t it be funny if we put this blow-up doll in this Jeep and drive it from Arkansas to Tennessee?

50:04 – “I want to build you a race car.” That’s great man, but I’m poor as Sh*t

1:06:50 – Dan Fresh is standing there in his street clothes, what is he doing that we’re not doing?

1:16:50 – I’m Ricky Bobby from Talladega, Alabama!

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Self-taught, all-in kinda guy Adam Scherer, founder of Tribe 16 near Fort Worth, Texas, is a helluva nice guy. Talented and likable, Adam brings the best to the build; whether it’s a racecar or a trail car, Adam and his guys have the talent to deliver. Be sure to listen on your favorite podcast app.

5:14 – I would say the people you run with really influence you on stuff like that

8:32 – the car stereo scene was what led me into wanting to build stuff

11:24 – anything and everything I’m involved in, I usually take it to the max 

15:03 – “Hey, we’re looking for someone to start outfitting some of these Jeeps.”

21:43 – Pirate 4x4 was my mentor

27:50 – my first project at Tribe was fixing a racecar for Barry Beadle

34:06 – I remember watching Casey walk up, and I was like, are we related? Is this my brother?

42:42 – our favorite car to build was Alex Wacker’s IFS car

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