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Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexandrajhartman/

Change Curiosity Lab https://www.changecuriositylab.com/

Working Out Loud with AI: Building Agile Change Momentum -Webinar  https://www.eventbrite.com/e/working-out-loud-with-ai-building-agile-change-momentum-tickets-1975063505111?aff=oddtdtcreator

Sue's website www.changeroadie.com

Sue's Linkedin profile 

In this episode of Conversations of Agile Change, Dr. Jen Frahm chats with Dijana Marjanovic Alispahic, Marco Di Santis, and Leah Makin from UniSuper — a powerhouse trio redefining agile change in a highly regulated industry. They unpack their accidental journeys into change, the human side of agile, what brain-friendly practice means for neurodivergent professionals, and the leadership practices that foster psychological safety and creativity. Expect candor, laughter, and a few truth bombs that will stay with you long after the episode ends.

💡 Topics include:

The shift from waterfall to moments-that-matter in M&A

Cultural due diligence as a critical success factor

Using agile planning in uncertainty

Building trust through iterative communication

Middle manager capability as a game-changer

Top 3 agile tools for M&A

If you’re a change practitioner working on or preparing for M&A—this episode is gold.

🎤 Featuring: Amy Leighton, Enterprise Change Partner at Aurecon
📄 Based on: ACMP’s May 2025 White Paper, Navigating the Future of Change Management

Global Connect - ACMP July conference 

In this episode of Conversations of Agile Change, Dr. Jen Frahm sits down with Elizabeth Beattie, Program Change Lead for AI and Innovation at UNSW, to explore what it really takes to lead change in the age of AI. Elizabeth shares how she's applying agile, human-centered change techniques to foster curiosity, build capability, and create safe spaces for experimentation at a research-intensive university. They dive into lessons on leadership vulnerability, why co-creation beats top-down control, and how AI transformations are fundamentally different (and not so different) from past changes. Whether you're a change leader, innovator, or AI-curious, this conversation will spark fresh ideas for your own practice.

Coffee with Fleur podcast

https://www.coffeewithfleurpodcast.au/

The cardboard city

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/arnolddj_changemanagement-innovation-artsandculture-

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https://captur3d.io/view/evolve-home-land/evolve-home-land

https://www.linkedin.com/in/antondeweger/

🔗 Learn more: epilepsyproject.org.au

Brynn Shader on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/brynnshader/

https://www.brynnshader.com/

Disrupt HR in Denver Talk 

Kathy's LinkedIn Profile

Lena's LinkedIn Profile 

Zara Thurgood on LinkedIn 

Candace Trapp on LinkedIn 

The discussion covers the following key topics:

Brain-Friendly Change:

• Designing change experiences that work by leveraging applied neuroscience.
• The importance of moving from fear to flow to overcome change resistance and failure.
• How brain-friendly change can serve as a protective shield against change overwhelm and fatigue.

Understanding Resistance:

• Redefining resistance as a natural response and exploring its neurological basis.
• Strategies for creating approach states and minimizing avoid states to foster engagement.

Leadership and Change:

• The critical role of leaders in setting the tone for change and the impact of their behavior on organizational culture.
• Practical tips for engaging leaders and aligning them with brain-friendly change practices.

Agile and Brain-Friendly Change:

• The synergy between agile methodologies and brain-friendly change.
• How agile practices support continuous learning, collaboration, and psychological safety.

Real-World Applications:

• Michelle shares real-life examples of implementing brain-friendly change techniques in large organizations.
• The significance of co-designing change initiatives with stakeholders to ensure success.

Throughout the episode, Michelle emphasizes the importance of continuous learning and adapting change practices to align with our understanding of human behavior and neuroscience.  updates.

Michelle Teunis on LinkedIn  (Guest) 

Lena Ross on LinkedIn (Host) 

Collabwise

Enroll in Brain-Friendly Change course. 

 

Key themes

1. Agile Change Leadership: Exploring the role of agile change leadership in modern organizations.
2. World Agility Forum Highlights: Discussing key insights and takeaways from the World Agility Forum conference in Lisbon.
3. Challenges in Agile Adoption: Addressing common challenges and misconceptions in adopting agile methodologies.
4. Agile vs. Waterfall: Contrasting agile approaches with traditional waterfall methodologies in change management.
5. The Future of Change Management: Considering the evolving landscape of change management and the need for practitioners to adapt to new methodologies and tools.

 

Natasha on LinkedIn 

Casa de Cambio website

Natasha's podcast Casa de Cambio 

In this episode of "Conversations of Agile Change," Kylie Browne speaks with Lena Ross and discusses her role as a director of organizational change, focusing on digital transformation and organizational agility post-COVID-19. She highlights the accelerated pace of change projects, emphasizing the need for quicker execution with less planning time. Kylie advocates for visual communication in change management, explaining how it simplifies complex information and facilitates effective communication. She also details the development of a community of practice within her organization to deepen change management capabilities at multiple levels. Listeners will learn about implementing agile change management and the benefits of continuous improvement. This episode is essential for anyone looking to understand agile methodologies in contemporary organizational contexts.

In this episode of "Conversations of Agile Change," Dr. Jen Frahm and Enterprise Change Lead Melissa Bialoruski delve into the transformative power of agility and change management. Together, they explore the profound shift from hierarchical control to collaborative co-creation, highlighting the importance of embracing vulnerability and purpose-driven approaches in navigating the complexities of modern organizational change.

And we're back! Conversations of Change has had a lovely long nap and has woken up most refreshed and wanting to chat about Agile Change! Your co-hosts are Lena Ross and Dr Jen Frahm. We tell you what's coming up.

Stewart Bird Linkedin 

Aurecon's Digital Decision's report 

Aurecon Twitter 

Aurecon Facebook 

Aurecon Linkedin 

Aurecon Instagram 

Michelle Redfern contact details:

Website - Advancing Women in Business & Sport 

Linkedin profile: Michelle Redfern 

Twitter: 

Facebook 

A career that soars 

@celineschill on Twitter 

https://weneedsocial.com/

@changingview on Twitter

https://antacarafrontiers.com/

To come later! 

Further reading:

 

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/learning-out-loud-up-against-my-limits-triple-threat-dr-jen-frahm/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/16/white-fragility-racism-interview-robin-diangelo

http://laylafsaad.com/meandwhitesupremacy

 

Full transcript to be published later on the blog! 

 

Tim Rayner - @timrayner01 (twitter) 

https://www.hacker-culture.com/

LinkedIn 

 

Hayley Lewis @haypsych

https://halopsychology.com/

LinkedIn 

 

Melissa Dark  @melissadark

https://commonplacecommunication.com/

https://bustingsilos.com.au/

LinkedIn 

Liam's Linkedin Profile 

We cover:

Liam's pathway in to coaching

How leaders should use coaches

How agile coaches and change management practitioners work together 

What surprises Liam about coaching after all these years

What Liam wishes leaders would know or do

Liam's take on curiosity, empathy, vulnerability, courage and self-compassion 

https://drjenfrahm.com/exploratory-leadership/

https://www.patreon.com/drjenfrahm

https://agilechangeinstitute.com.au/agile-change-leadership-certificate/

https://bustingsilos.com.au/

Circles of Control 

http://www.talkingabout.com.au/3ControlInfluenceConcern

The Brene Brown podcast with David Kessler 

https://brenebrown.com/podcast/david-kessler-and-brene-on-grief-and-finding-meaning/

The 3.5% rule - social contagion 

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190513-it-only-takes-35-of-people-to-change-the-world

Post traumatic growth 

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/post-traumatic-growth-finding-meaning-and-creativity-in-adversity/

My patreon page 

https://www.patreon.com/drjenfrahm

Kubler Ross Change Curve https://www.exeter.ac.uk/media/universityofexeter/humanresources/docume

nts/learningdevelopment/the_change_curve.pdf

On why I do use the Kubler Ross Change Curve 

https://conversationsofchange.com.au/of-myth-busting-babies-and-bathwater/

Support the content I create 

https://www.patreon.com/join/drjenfrahm

The 4 Rs of future of work 

https://drjenfrahm.com/future-work/

The podcast where I worked out I wasn't as chilled as I thought I was :-/

https://brenebrown.com/podcast/brene-on-anxiety-calm-over-under-functioning/

9 week e-course 

https://bustingsilos.com.au/

Agile Change Leadership Certificate 

https://agilechangeinstitute.com.au/agile-change-leadership-certificate/

 

 

Brene Brown podcast on empathy https://brenebrown.com/podcast/brene-on-comparative-suffering-the-50-50-myth-and-settling-the-ball/

Compassion v empathy 

https://chopra.com/articles/whats-the-difference-between-empathy-sympathy-and-compassion

Become a patron!

https://www.patreon.com/join/4156152?

Panel discussion with Kristin Neff and Christopher Germer on the difference 

http://cultureofempathy.com/Projects/Conference/Panels/026-A.htm

 

Introduction to validity (for the nerdy ones) 

https://conjointly.com/kb/introduction-to-validity/

My Patreon account 

Original story of the Burning Platform 

Examples of business's / organisations 'running from pain' 

Pure Physio 

Virtual consults & home visits

Brisbane Run Squad - Free inspo program 

Hatch Exchange - Corona Virus Labour Exchange 

Art2biz.info - Jonathan Champ's idea on connecting out of work performing artists with corporate 

Happiness is contagious 

My talk on creating calm 

 

The patreon account I mention

https://www.patreon.com/drjenfrahm

The blog post that has struck a chord

https://drjenfrahm.com/leading-uncertain-times/

I talk to Evan Leybourn of the Business Agility Institute about business agility, leadership, governance, and the continuing evolution of the Change Manager.

What footy teaches you about change leadership. 

Cameron Schwab creates courageous, confident and creative leaders. He’s also kind of Aussie Footy Royalty. The youngest CEO of a club in AFL history, and the continued success and failure for the next 25 years over three more clubs. He has stories to tell, and he knows his way about change and transformation. 

We talk change leadership in this conversation of change, but perhaps not what you would expect. Rich stories of learning, resilience, performance, authenticity, vulnerability and GFS. 

You’ll probably want more from Cam and you can find it at https://www.designceo.com.au/

Here's the link to the report we talked about - > https://www.aurecongroup.com/expertise/digital-engineering-and-advisory/digital-futures/digital-landscape

I talk with Dr Helen Bevan , Chief Transformation Officer of the NHS on movements, leading from the edge, psychological safety, new power and old power. See drjenfrahm.com for transcript

In the last episode of Part 1: Shaping up the decisions you need to make, I look at the most common models and frameworks out there for you to use.

Chapter 5 encourages you to think about the three core elements of successful change - clarity of purpose, understanding of the elements of change success, and the ability to measure them.

We're four days in to the six days in a row, Part 1 of my book. In Chapter 4 we deep dive into how to identify a good change practitioner - internal or external. This will help managers and leaders who are looking to recruit or hire specialists skillsets. If you're looking to move into change management this will also give you a sense of what you need to have by way of experience, skillset and mindset.

Chapter 3 of Part 1 of my book Conversations of Change: A guide to implementing change . Chapter 3 is all about who’s who in the zoo! Easy to understand explanations of 10 necessary roles in change. Six episodes over six days.

It's chapter 2 of 6 chapters released daily of Part 1 of my book - in this I look at the four common points of confusion about change management and organisational change.

I'm releasing the first 6 chapters of my book Conversations of Change: A guide to implementing change as a serialized podcast! This one is Chapter one - where I explain the Choose your adventure structure.

Alice Tay is a lawyer, a CATIC Trade Delegation Mission Leader and NED on several boards. We talk change and transformation in the legal profession and what the future holds.

The Australian Transformation & Turnaround Association has released a white paper on the state of affairs of CEOs, Boards and Transformation. It's a bit grim! I speak with Adam Salzer, Chair of the ATTA about it.

Leading change with Margarette Purvis - CEO of the Food Bank for NYC. We talk leading change in non-profits Kaizen, millenials, Toyota, instagram and the wisdom of grandmothers.

Donna Hardman - Non Executive Board member and governance consultant shares on the role of the board in change and transformation, and her role as a change maker in the matters of cognitive diversity and understanding China from an industry perspective.

A #changechat with Anecdote founder Shawn Callahan on the power of stories in organizational change

And we're back - after a brief hiatus, we're back. I share a slight shift in focus for the year AND a talk I provided recently on the 5 qualities of change leadership that I think make all the difference! Warning - there's a 2 second drop out at about the 21 min mark. Dang!

Dr Jen Frahm talks change management with Elise Stevens on the role of Project Managers

Part 2 of my #changechat with Change Agent Extraordinaire and French Order of Merit awardee Celine Schillinger. We talk change with communities, courage and social media.

Part 1 of my #changechat with the very amazing Celine Schillinger

In this change management podcast I interview Prue Gell about Deep Democracy as a tool for facilitating organizational change

Joanne and I talk Prosci research, methodologies, accreditation and the future of Change Management.

It's all happening! My book is ready to be released. I get none other than Trevor Young, PR Warrior, Reputation Revolutionist and co-founder of Zoetic Agency to interview me on it. We cover what its about, who will it appeal to, how did I write it, and where to get it!

If you want a signed copy, head to conversationsofchange.com.au/book or if that's not important you can find it on [Amazon!][2] in both kindle and paperback.

The book covers:

Structured in three easy to read parts.

Part 1: Shaping up - the decisions you need to make

• Clarity on 4 universal points of confusion in change
• Who’s who in the zoo! Easy to understand explanations of 10 necessary roles in change
• Change success – a three legged stool, pull one element away and it falls over
• 6 most commonly used change models explained

Part 2 Moving forward – the 5 pillars of change success

• 6 elements of change capable organisation
• Change readiness and how to assess if you are ready for change
• Dealing with change resistance – three key considerations
• From the trenches - 5 pitfalls of change communication to avoid
• 12 truisms of change leadership

Part 3 Check the peripherals – things that you should be aware of

• 5 Future of Work practices and how they can be used in your change efforts
• 6 myths of change management that can get in the way
• The ultimate information on how to develop your knowledge in change management – including associations, formal knowledge, communities of practice, self study with 11 change experts to follow on twitter and 17 change management blogs to bookmark

Bonus chapter! A full summary of all four adventures

[2]: https://www.amazon.com/Conversations-Change-Guide-Implementing-Workplace/dp/0648087921/ref=sr_1_1_twi_pap_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1500695084&sr=8-1&keywords=jen%20frahmstrong text