Explore every episode of the podcast Clever with Amy Devers
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| Ep. 160: Peeking into the Creative World of Pop-Polymath Willo Perron [encore] | 10 Jun 2025 | 00:59:45 | |
Live experience & interior designer Willo Perron grew up in Montreal surrounded by creativity. An industrious kid, he dropped out of high school at 14 to follow his own entrepreneurial and creative path. He got his start around the nightclub scene in Montreal doing everything from designing flyers, to lighting, to scouting DJs, and designing streetwear. Since then he’s gone on to design the now-famous aesthetic for American Apparel retail stores, as well as collaborate with many of pop music’s biggest stars, including Kanye, Drake, Lady Gaga, and St. Vincent. With partner Brian Roettinger, he’s built a multidisciplinary design firm, Perron-Roettinger, that works across Interior design, live experience, print, and identity. A firm believer in life having a way of working out, Willo continues to embrace entrepreneurship, creativity, and collaboration in an intuitive and exhilarating way. Images, links and more from Willo Perron! SUBSCRIBE - listen to Clever on any podcast app! SIGN UP - for our Substack for news, bonus content, new episode alerts VISIT - cleverpodcast.com for transcripts, images, and 200+ more episodes SAY HI! - on Instagram & LinkedIn @cleverpodcast @amydevers Clever is hosted & produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Mark Zurawinski, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 97: Cognitive Neuroscientist Dr. Sahar Yousef [encore] | 03 Jun 2025 | 00:27:35 | |
Cognitive neuroscientist Sahar Yousef grew up in the Bay Area, the daughter of Iranian immigrants. She became fascinated by human consciousness at a young age and she followed that curiosity to studies in philosophy, then all the way to a PhD in cognitive neuroscience. Now, she aims her brain toward helping leaders maximize their potential so they can do their best work, then go home to their families, and sleep! Here she shares what you need to know to accelerate your creativity and stop draining your brain. Images and more from our guest! SUBSCRIBE - listen to Clever on any podcast app! SIGN UP - for our Substack for news, bonus content, new episode alerts VISIT - cleverpodcast.com for transcripts, images, and 200+ more episodes SAY HI! - on Instagram & LinkedIn @cleverpodcast @amydevers Please help us out by completing a short LISTENER SURVEY If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Clever is hosted & produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Mark Zurawinski, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 220: Designing Belonging: Alma Jimenez Lopez on Art, Heritage, and Home | 25 Feb 2025 | 01:00:48 | |
Alma Jimenez Lopez is a creative force — a designer, artist, and curator who builds bridges between cultures and communities. In this episode, she shares how growing up as a first-generation Mexican American shaped her superpower: empathy. From honing her skills as an interior designer and building bridges across sectors of the design industry, to curation and community-building with the co-founding Of Threads, which celebrates the richness of Mexican American stories through art, design, and fashion, Alma’s journey is one of vision, healing, and unstoppable drive. This conversation is bold, heartfelt, and full of light. SUBSCRIBE - listen to Clever on any podcast app! SIGN UP - for our Substack for news, bonus content, new episode alerts VISIT - cleverpodcast.com for transcripts, images, and 200+ more episodes SAY HI! - on Instagram & LinkedIn @cleverpodcast @amydevers Clever is hosted & produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Mark Zurawinski, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 91: Designer Amélie Lamont [Rebroadcast] | 12 Jul 2022 | 00:58:09 | |
Digital designer and writer Amélie Lamont is a native New Yorker and daughter of Jamaican immigrants. A self-proclaimed nerd, she grew up reading Encyclopedia Britannica and teaching herself to code. A life-long learner, she has pursued many different areas of study in school and hated them all, which is probably why her long-term vision for herself involves a PhD and starting a design school! As an outspoken advocate of PoC, she has initiated projects like People of Craft and The Guide to Allyship. Images and more from our guest! This episode of Clever is created, hosted and produced by Amy Devers and Jaime Derringer with music from El Ten Eleven and editing by Rich Stroffolino. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! SUBSCRIBE - listen to Clever on any podcast app! SIGN UP - for our Substack for news, bonus content, new episode alerts VISIT - cleverpodcast.com for transcripts, images, and 200+ more episodes SAY HI! - on Instagram & LinkedIn @cleverpodcast @amydevers Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 28: Norm Abram [Rebroadcast] | 05 Jul 2022 | 01:06:06 | |
This Old House Master Carpenter Norm Abram charms Jaime and Amy with stories of a youth spent building pinewood derby cars and learning the trade from his father, who lives on in the walls of the house they built together as adults. He got his start in TV by accident, but thanks to an unfailing dedication to patience and safety, that’s about the only major accident he can speak of. These days, he’s on a mission to bring today’s youth into tomorrow’s trade labor force. Plus, he reveals the secrets of his famous wardrobe. Clever is created, hosted and produced by Amy Devers and Jaime Derringer, with music from El Ten Eleven and editing by Chris Modl. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! SUBSCRIBE - listen to Clever on any podcast app! SIGN UP - for our Substack for news, bonus content, new episode alerts VISIT - cleverpodcast.com for transcripts, images, and 200+ more episodes SAY HI! - on Instagram & LinkedIn @cleverpodcast @amydevers Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 174: Colony Founder Jean Lin on Balancing Bravery and Recklessness | 28 Jun 2022 | 01:04:39 | |
Design entrepreneur and founder of Colony, the designer’s co-op, Jean Lin, grew up in suburban Massachusetts as one of a handful of non-white kids. With two brothers, she was a card-carrying tomboy until her teenage years when she leaned into fashion as a way to express herself. Influenced by her mother’s work as an educator for the incarcerated, she initially followed a career path into social services before reconciling with her undeniable yearning to study fashion design. After getting fired a few times, launching a few businesses, and gaining a smorgasbord of experience in a handful of roles, she bet her life savings on a dream and founded Colony, a community of designers that reimagines the design gallery business model as a supportive ecosystem, while celebrating American design to an international audience. Images, links and more from Jean! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! SUBSCRIBE - listen to Clever on any podcast app! SIGN UP - for our Substack for news, bonus content, new episode alerts VISIT - cleverpodcast.com for transcripts, images, and 200+ more episodes SAY HI! - on Instagram & LinkedIn @cleverpodcast @amydevers Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 173: Multidisciplinary Designer Luca Nichetto Cultivates Community and Fun | 14 Jun 2022 | 01:11:46 | |
Multidisciplinary designer and art director, Luca Nichetto, grew up in Murano, Italy, steeped in the glassmaking traditions of the region and his ancestors. He got started in design by selling his drawings to local factories for pocket money. As a teenager, he became a rising basketball star and considered going pro, but eventually chose his other love, design, instead. After college and some fruitful early collaborations, he set up his own shop, Nichetto Studio, in Venice in 2006. Five years later, he opened a second studio in Stockholm. Now 15+ years in, he’s established himself as an international design force, built long-term relationships with several high-profile brands, and continually creates new connections and collaborations that build and strengthen a robust community of creatives. Plus, he knows how to have fun, and even considers it an obligation. Cheers to that! Images, links and more from Luca! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! SUBSCRIBE - listen to Clever on any podcast app! SIGN UP - for our Substack for news, bonus content, new episode alerts VISIT - cleverpodcast.com for transcripts, images, and 200+ more episodes SAY HI! - on Instagram & LinkedIn @cleverpodcast @amydevers Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 172: Airbnb’s Hiroki Asai on Designing Environments for Creative Teams to Thrive | 31 May 2022 | 00:41:58 | |
Airbnb’s Global Head of Marketing, Hiroki Asai, grew up riding his BMX through the orchards of Cupertino, CA. But it was the visual language of skateboard culture that ensnared his creative imagination and grew into a passion for graphic design. Always industrious, he took night school art classes as a teenager, went on to earn a BA in Graphic Design, and then got straight to work freelancing. Not long after, he began working with Apple - eventually rising in the ranks to Vice President of Global Marketing Communications. Over his 18 years with Apple, he directly influenced the branding, packaging and marketing that we have come to know as distinctly Apple. Now, with Airbnb since early 2020 (through the tumult of the pandemic, the IPO, and a recent major reconfiguring of how Airbnb serves up wander lust and discovery,) he’s leading and supporting creative teams that are adapting and responding to the needs of a rapidly shifting global society. As a leader, he knows the most effective place for creative teams to be is right up close to the problems that need solving (aka in-house and upstream.) And to do their best work, the creative process needs protection and structure. Amen. Images, links and more from Hiroki! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! SUBSCRIBE - listen to Clever on any podcast app! SIGN UP - for our Substack for news, bonus content, new episode alerts VISIT - cleverpodcast.com for transcripts, images, and 200+ more episodes SAY HI! - on Instagram & LinkedIn @cleverpodcast @amydevers Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 171: Beat Baudenbacher on the Social Impact of Branding | 17 May 2022 | 00:54:04 | |
Beat Baudenbacher was born in Switzerland, where he grew up exposed to the dynamic artistic world through his mother and the rational lens through his surgeon dad. Always fascinated by words, he fell in love with typography, and dabbled in graphic design in high school. He did an exchange year in California with no intention of pursuing design, but after his dad mentioned that a friend’s daughter was attending Art Center, a lightbulb went off and he scrambled to create a portfolio. A serendipitous trip to a bookstore led him to a job at Attik, where he met future co-founder of entertainment branding studio, loyalkaspar, David Herbruck. Since founding loyalkaspar, Beat has pushed the thinking around branding and marketing, and written an upcoming book, Somewhere Yes, that dives into how we move through this world that is shaped by branding. Images, links and more from Beat! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! SUBSCRIBE - listen to Clever on any podcast app! SIGN UP - for our Substack for news, bonus content, new episode alerts VISIT - cleverpodcast.com for transcripts, images, and 200+ more episodes SAY HI! - on Instagram & LinkedIn @cleverpodcast @amydevers Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 170 Deem Journal’s Nu Goteh on Facilitating All Things Awesome | 03 May 2022 | 01:30:17 | |
Co-Founder of Deem Journal, designer Nu Goteh was born in Liberia and came to the US with his family as a refugee at the age of 3. His first career ambition, as a model son of African parents, was to become a doctor / lawyer. But as a sneakerhead, skater, and early-adopter of the internet, he kept making opportunities for himself in marketing, promoting, and graphic design. He even landed a job at Puma while he was only a Sophomore in college. After successful roles at Red Bull and Sonos, he was comfortable in his talent for adding value and creating desirability for brands, but uncomfortable with being fast-tracked to the top of “cool black guy stuff,” a pigeon-hole that felt too small for his aspirations and skills. So he went back to school for a Master’s in Strategic Design and Management. Now, as a founding principal of Room For Magic, Nu is using his unique talents to address complex creative challenges and facilitate equitable exchange between brands and communities. As if that weren’t enough, Nu along with Marquise Stillwell and Alice Grandoit (his partner at Room for Magic), have founded Deem Journal, a deeply thought-provoking publication centered on design as a social practice. Now, with issue 3 Envisioning Equity, recently released, Deem is leading the way in presenting meaningful narratives around the process of design, and helping us all grow, heal, and imagine new possibilities in the process. Images, links and more from Nu Goteh! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! SUBSCRIBE - listen to Clever on any podcast app! SIGN UP - for our Substack for news, bonus content, new episode alerts VISIT - cleverpodcast.com for transcripts, images, and 200+ more episodes SAY HI! - on Instagram & LinkedIn @cleverpodcast @amydevers Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 169: Eames Institute’s Chief Curator Llisa Demetrios on the Power of Infinite Curiosity | 19 Apr 2022 | 00:53:32 | |
Chief Curator of the Eames Institute of Infinite Curiosity, Llisa Demetrios grew up in a family of brilliant sculptors, authors, and designers. Her mother’s parents were none other than Charles and Ray Eames, the legendary mid-century design duo. In addition to pioneering design work, apparently they were excellent grandparents as well, imparting on Llisa a way of engaging with the world through curiosity and a lens for new possibilities. This approach to creative problem-solving has guided Llisa through a career as an archivist and bronze sculptor. Now, as the Chief Curator of the recently-launched Eames Institute of Infinite Curiosity, Llisa is bringing the lessons of Charles and Ray to life for the next generation of curious problem solvers. Images, links and more from Llisa! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! SUBSCRIBE - listen to Clever on any podcast app! SIGN UP - for our Substack for news, bonus content, new episode alerts VISIT - cleverpodcast.com for transcripts, images, and 200+ more episodes SAY HI! - on Instagram & LinkedIn @cleverpodcast @amydevers Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 168: Founder Rob Forbes on Business Confidence and Advocating for Design | 05 Apr 2022 | 00:38:32 | |
Ceramicist, author, entrepreneur, photographer and public speaker Rob Forbes is likely best known for founding Design Within Reach, but his accolades expand beyond this accomplishment. He grew up a son of Southern California academics and attended boarding schools in Northern California. His first professional life was as a ceramicist. After a year riddled with tragedy, he took a year off in pursuit of researching how to make design accessible - which lead to the founding of Design Within Reach. A wild (and unexpected) success, the next few years were a blur that instilled in Rob a confidence to continue to push the envelope and invest in change - including a variety of start ups, a micro-farm, and using the tools of design to create long-lasting impact. Images, links and more from Rob Forbes! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! SUBSCRIBE - listen to Clever on any podcast app! SIGN UP - for our Substack for news, bonus content, new episode alerts VISIT - cleverpodcast.com for transcripts, images, and 200+ more episodes SAY HI! - on Instagram & LinkedIn @cleverpodcast @amydevers Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 167: Serial Entrepreneur Christiane Lemieux on Building an At-Home Empire | 22 Mar 2022 | 00:49:23 | |
Designer, entrepreneur and author, Christiane Lemieux was born and raised in Ottawa, Canada but refers to the world as her “second home” given how frequently she traveled with her family throughout her childhood. While she studied art history and fashion design academically, her business training came through first-person experience. She founded her first brand, DwellStudio, in 1999 and sold it to Wayfair in 2013. She has built several other successful brands, including Lemieux et Cie, The Inside, and Cloth & Company. As a design historian and business expert she also contributes to design publications and has published books in both the design and business spaces including Undecorate and Frictionless. She brings all of her creativity, business acumen, and worldly travels together in the service of creating beautiful, customizable interiors that feel like home. Images, links and more from Christiane! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! SUBSCRIBE - listen to Clever on any podcast app! SIGN UP - for our Substack for news, bonus content, new episode alerts VISIT - cleverpodcast.com for transcripts, images, and 200+ more episodes SAY HI! - on Instagram & LinkedIn @cleverpodcast @amydevers Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Clever Confidential Ep. 6: The Brilliant Life and Tragic Death of Florence Broadhurst | 11 Feb 2025 | 00:25:22 | |
Clever Confidential is Clever’s offshoot series where we dig into the lesser told stories of the darker side of design; the shadowy, sometimes sordid, tales hiding under a glossy top coat of respectable legacy. In this episode we peel back the glittering façade of one of Australia's greatest design icons, Florence Broadhurst—a woman whose legendary creative genius was rivaled only by the mystery surrounding her violent demise. This journey takes us from the sunlit streets of Sydney’s Paddington neighborhood to the dark corners of a crime scene that defies easy explanation. Whether you’re a design enthusiast or a true crime aficionado, prepare to be captivated by a story of ambition, reinvention, and an unsolved mystery that challenges everything we think we know about a true creative legend. See images and read the transcript! Please help us out by completing a short LISTENER SURVEY If you enjoy Clever Confidential we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! SUBSCRIBE - listen to Clever on any podcast app! SIGN UP - for our Substack for news, bonus content, new episode alerts VISIT - cleverpodcast.com for transcripts, images, and 200+ more episodes SAY HI! - on Instagram & LinkedIn @cleverpodcast @amydevers Clever Confidential credits: Hosts: Amy Devers & Andrew Wagner Writing and research: Amy Devers & Andrew Wagner Production: Devers Endeavors Production Assistance: Ilana Nevins Editing and Sound Design: Mark Zurawinski Theme Music: “Astronomy” by Thin White Rope courtesy of Frontier Records Logo design: Laura Jaramillo remixed by Graham Hauser Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 166: Rethinking Our Built Environment with Futurist Dror Benshetrit | 08 Mar 2022 | 00:54:23 | |
Designer, futurist, activist and artist Dror Benshetrit grew up in Tel Aviv, drawing, and building puppetry or sculptures. But it was Dror’s experience serving in the Israeli army that showed him all the different ways his creative thinking could be applied - compelling him to pursue design and attend the Design Academy in Eindhoven. Afterwards, he moved to New York - where his career exploded - from designing the Peacock Chair showcased in a Rihanna video to designing luxury houses for the Crown Sheik. Since then, he stepped back and began rethinking how we understand the future of the built environment, embarking on tying together research, design, architecture and urban planning through Supernature Labs. Dror’s life has been filled with brilliant visions and breathtaking designs, always grounded in sustainability and with an eye toward a better future. Images, links and more from Dror! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! SUBSCRIBE - listen to Clever on any podcast app! SIGN UP - for our Substack for news, bonus content, new episode alerts VISIT - cleverpodcast.com for transcripts, images, and 200+ more episodes SAY HI! - on Instagram & LinkedIn @cleverpodcast @amydevers Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 165: Talking Shop with Podcast Powerhouse Avery Trufelman | 22 Feb 2022 | 01:10:54 | |
Brooklyn-based podcaster Avery Trufelman has radio in her DNA. Her parents met while working at WNYC, so from birth she was nurtured with love and appreciation for radio. As a teenager, Avery took to expressing herself through wild, quirky thrifted fashion ensembles, much to the confusion of her peers. After cutting her audio teeth in college radio, Avery submitted a midnight application to intern at 99% Invisible and moved across the country to work in a closet with Roman Mars in beautiful downtown Oakland. When 99pi and the field of podcasting blew up, Avery was on the rocket ship. She’s since created an acclaimed 2-season series, Articles of Interest, around iconic items of clothing – which makes her teenage sartorial obsessions all add up – and worked on Nice Try! and The Cut. She’s a dynamic and thoughtful voice in the podcasting landscape, as always, making distinctive and bold style choices. Images, links and more from Avery! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! SUBSCRIBE - listen to Clever on any podcast app! SIGN UP - for our Substack for news, bonus content, new episode alerts VISIT - cleverpodcast.com for transcripts, images, and 200+ more episodes SAY HI! - on Instagram & LinkedIn @cleverpodcast @amydevers Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 164: Crafting Eye Candy with ManvsMachine’s Mike Alderson | 08 Feb 2022 | 01:19:44 | |
Co-founder and Chief Creative Officer of ManvsMachine, Mike Alderson, grew up on the outskirts of Liverpool, England, getting into mischief, playing sports, and spending the many rainy days inside drawing ferociously. More practical than academic, Mike started off in a mechanical engineering apprenticeship before learning it was absolutely not for him. Then, after a short stint as a pro BMX racer, his best friend’s brother turned him on to design and he was hooked. He made his way to London, decided it was time to be an adult, and threw himself whole-heartedly into his studies, graduating from Ravensbourne with a degree in Moving Image Design. In 2007, after a series of events that included a night at the pub with his recent ex-boss, Tim Swift, Mike and Tim founded ManvsMachine. Since then, he’s moved to LA, led projects for a world-class client list, and managed burnout, all while remaining a big thinker, a master tinkerer, and continuously punching above his weight. Images, links and more from Mike Alderson! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! SUBSCRIBE - listen to Clever on any podcast app! SIGN UP - for our Substack for news, bonus content, new episode alerts VISIT - cleverpodcast.com for transcripts, images, and 200+ more episodes SAY HI! - on Instagram & LinkedIn @cleverpodcast @amydevers Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 163: Designer Jay Osgerby Shines a Light on Loss, Legacy, and Longevity | 25 Jan 2022 | 01:25:47 | |
Industrial designer and founding partner of Barber Osgerby, Jay Osgerby, grew up in a small town in England, with his close-knit multi-generational family and the backdrop of his grandparents’ experiences through WWII. His childhood was filled with making things - inspired by his Swiss ancestors’ stories of watch and camera making. His parents were incredibly resourceful, whether it was opening a shop together or repurposing curtains when the local cinema closed. This pioneering spirit is something that Jay has carried with him throughout his career - from his studies at RCA where he met long-time business partner and friend, Ed Barber, to designing the 2012 Olympic Torch, to revolutionizing how people work remotely with Soft Work seating. Now, 25+ years into design, Jay reveals the triumphs and tragedies that lined his path and forged his character with candor, humor, and an unflagging optimism that burns bright and steady like the inextinguishable flame of the Olympic Torch. Images, links and more from Jay Osgerby! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! SUBSCRIBE - listen to Clever on any podcast app! SIGN UP - for our Substack for news, bonus content, new episode alerts VISIT - cleverpodcast.com for transcripts, images, and 200+ more episodes SAY HI! - on Instagram & LinkedIn @cleverpodcast @amydevers Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 162: Building a Colorful Second Act with Illustrator Yuko Shimizu | 11 Jan 2022 | 01:04:16 | |
Illustrator Yuko Shimizu was born in Tokyo, Japan and began drawing from an early age. As a preteen, her family moved from Japan to the US, a huge culture shock that included learning an entirely new language and navigating social norms in 7th grade. This experience gave her an even deeper love for drawing - something that transcends any language barrier. After college, Yuko spent 11 years at a prestigious corporate PR firm in Japan before she decided to pursue her lifelong dream. At 34, she enrolled in art school in New York City. Since then, she’s received numerous accolades for her beautiful illustrations. A staunch supporter of going after what you want, Yuko certainly doesn’t regret any choices she’s made to draw a new path forward for herself. Images, links and more from Yuko Shimizu! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! SUBSCRIBE - listen to Clever on any podcast app! SIGN UP - for our Substack for news, bonus content, new episode alerts VISIT - cleverpodcast.com for transcripts, images, and 200+ more episodes SAY HI! - on Instagram & LinkedIn @cleverpodcast @amydevers Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 153: Harnessing Creative Confidence with Majo Molfino [Rebroadcast] | 28 Dec 2021 | 00:53:48 | |
A writer, speaker, and women’s creative leadership coach, Majo Molfino is a champion for smashing the patriarchy (both within and outside each of us!) and supporting women in harnessing their creative confidence and power. A precocious child, she was born in Argentina and moved with her family across the US and Canada, eventually landing in San Francisco. As an immigrant, she grew up trying to uphold the “Good Girl Myth” sacrificing her identity, her creativity, and her confidence to counteract the feeling of not belonging. After a windy path through a few stuffy 9 to 5s, she went on a few mind-blowing voyages and began to reconnect with herself. Now, Majo is the host of the HEROINE podcast, author of “Break the Good Girl Myth,” and is a role model and a leader in designing a life and career that is a perfect fit. Images, links and more from Majo! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. Clever's promotional partner is Design Milk. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! SUBSCRIBE - listen to Clever on any podcast app! SIGN UP - for our Substack for news, bonus content, new episode alerts VISIT - cleverpodcast.com for transcripts, images, and 200+ more episodes SAY HI! - on Instagram & LinkedIn @cleverpodcast @amydevers Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 137 Biden/Harris Campaign Creative Director Robyn Kanner [Rebroadcast] | 21 Dec 2021 | 01:02:42 | |
Robyn Kanner’s personal story is twisty and beautifully American. Largely self-taught, she fought hard to find her voice, and has battled bullies, addiction and self-doubt on her path to purpose. She, alongside Carahna Magwood, led a design team that effectively imbued the Biden Harris ticket with an uplifting, hopefulness that stressed reliability, inclusive values and unification. From the hot pink Biden & Lady Gaga promos, to unifying red-blue gradients. Robyn’s is a story of acceptance, healing, hard work, creativity and community - and feels as bright and hopeful as a victory gradient. Images, links and more from Robyn Kanner! If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Laura Jaramillo and music by El Ten Eleven. Clever's promotional partner is Design Milk. SUBSCRIBE - listen to Clever on any podcast app! SIGN UP - for our Substack for news, bonus content, new episode alerts VISIT - cleverpodcast.com for transcripts, images, and 200+ more episodes SAY HI! - on Instagram & LinkedIn @cleverpodcast @amydevers Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 148: Entrepreneurial Raconteur John Edelman [Rebroadcast] | 14 Dec 2021 | 01:10:02 | |
Former CEO of Design Within Reach and business consultant, John Edelman grew up on a horse farm in Connecticut. The youngest of 6, his childhood was filled with love, surrounded by his parents’ big dreams, in a home filled with visitors, from Andy Warhol to fashion executives. A hustler and daredevil from an early age, he excelled at flipping cars and riding dirt bikes but struggled in school. After college, John joined the family leather business, sorting buffalo skins in Thailand, worked for his brother at Esprit, and lived in Brazil to work in the shoe business. From 2010 - 2019 John served as CEO of Design Within Reach, during his tenure he pulled the company out of a downward spiral, transformed it into the world leader in authentic design, and led a highly publicized sale to Herman Miller. Now, Co-Founder of Fourth & Pride vodka, John’s life has been one great story after another - from adventure to romance, hardships to triumph, and a future that looks just as thrilling. Images, links and more from John Edelman! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. Clever's promotional partner is Design Milk. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! SUBSCRIBE - listen to Clever on any podcast app! SIGN UP - for our Substack for news, bonus content, new episode alerts VISIT - cleverpodcast.com for transcripts, images, and 200+ more episodes SAY HI! - on Instagram & LinkedIn @cleverpodcast @amydevers Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 138: Creative Strategist Natalie Nixon [Rebroadcast] | 07 Dec 2021 | 00:56:40 | |
Dr. Natalie Nixon grew up in Philadelphia playing double dutch and hopscotch on the street. Listening to jazz with her dad and exploring art with her mother taught her the value of improvisation and emotional resonance. Flexing her academic excellence while also being subjected to racial bigotry and red lining helped to hone her ability to see systems and span boundaries. Her experiences are vast and varied, from running a hat business in New York city to earning her PhD in Design Management in London. Today she's the president of Figure 8 Thinking, a Creative Strategy & Design Research consultancy that helps leaders apply creativity & foresight to achieve transformative business results, and the author of The Creativity Leap: Unleash Curiosity, Improvisation, and Intuition at Work. Images and more from Natalie Nixon on our website! Clever is created, hosted and produced by Amy Devers and with music from El Ten Eleven and editing by Rich Stroffolino. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! SUBSCRIBE - listen to Clever on any podcast app! SIGN UP - for our Substack for news, bonus content, new episode alerts VISIT - cleverpodcast.com for transcripts, images, and 200+ more episodes SAY HI! - on Instagram & LinkedIn @cleverpodcast @amydevers Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 161: Designing Ideas with Visionary Design Entrepreneur Yves Béhar | 30 Nov 2021 | 00:45:37 | |
Industrial designer & entrepreneur, Yves Béhar, grew up in Switzerland on a steady diet of punk and windsurfing. After graduating from ArtCenter in California he moved to the Bay Area and got his professional start designing for The Burdick Group, LUNAR and frog. He founded fuseproject, his industrial design and branding firm, in 1999 and since then has been responsible for groundbreaking contributions to the design landscape across the fields of product design, brand development, business strategy, environments, and social impact. A pioneer of the “design venture” business model, he has also had a hand in redefining the way designers do business, enabling early-stage creative investment in startup projects. His new book, Yves Béhar: Designing Ideas is a comprehensive retrospective of his 20+ year career. Images, links and more from Yves Béhar! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Clever Confidential Ep. 2: The Supernatural Beginnings of The Bradbury Building [encore] | 04 Feb 2025 | 01:00:21 | |
In the heart of downtown Los Angeles sits Hollywood’s undisputed architectural superstar — the Bradbury Building. The imposing structure’s character is definitive. Its origin story, however, is much murkier… How did a young draftsman design one of the most remarkable buildings in the world? Why did he never again do anything of note? Or did he? Was all his creativity spent on this one masterpiece? Was this a case of stolen intellectual property? Or could this have even been a brush with the supernatural? Clever Confidential is Clever’s offshoot series, where we dig into the darker side of design - the shadowy, sometimes sordid tales hiding under a glossy topcoat of respectable legacy. Many thanks to this episode’s guest experts Kim Cooper and Richard Schave of Esotouric! Images and more about the Bradbury Building at cleverpodcast.com SUBSCRIBE - listen to Clever on any podcast app! SIGN UP - for our Substack for news, bonus content, new episode alerts VISIT - cleverpodcast.com for transcripts, images, and 200+ more episodes SAY HI! - on Instagram & LinkedIn @cleverpodcast @amydevers Please help us out by completing a short LISTENER SURVEY If you enjoy Clever Confidential we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Credits: Hosts: Amy Devers & Andrew Wagner Writing and research: Amy Devers & Andrew Wagner Guests: Kim Cooper & Richard Schave of Esotouric Production: Devers Endeavors Editing and Sound Design: Camille Stennis Theme Music: “Astronomy” by Thin White Rope courtesy of Frontier Records Logo design: Laura Jaramillo remixed by Graham Hauser Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 160: Peeking into the Creative World of Pop-Polymath Willo Perron | 16 Nov 2021 | 00:59:38 | |
Live experience & interior designer Willo Perron grew up in Montreal surrounded by creativity. An industrious kid, he dropped out of high school at 14 to follow his own entrepreneurial and creative path. He got his start around the nightclub scene in Montreal doing everything from designing flyers, to lighting, to scouting DJs, and designing streetwear. Since then he’s gone on to design the now-famous aesthetic for American Apparel retail stores, as well as collaborate with many of pop music’s biggest stars, including Kanye, Drake, Lady Gaga, and St. Vincent. With partner Brian Roettinger, he’s built a multidisciplinary design firm, Perron-Roettinger, that works across Interior design, live experience, print, and identity. A firm believer in life having a way of working out, Willo continues to embrace entrepreneurship, creativity, and collaboration in an intuitive and exhilarating way. Images, links and more from Willo Perron! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 159: Clever Extra - Innovating for the Future of Furniture Design | 02 Nov 2021 | 00:35:06 | |
For this Clever Extra, Amy Devers sat down with Kent Parker and Paul Wilkinson of the design studio Formway in New Zealand and Giulio Bonazzi, who leads Italian synthetic materials producer Aquafil, to discuss their design collaboration. Together, they unpack the story behind a truly remarkable chair, the noho move chair. The noho move chair is revolutionizing residential seating design by addressing issues of health, movement, multifunction, and sustainability in monumental ways, while also pushing the boundaries and performance capabilities of the material it’s made from. Get a behind the scenes look at the innovation, collaboration, and experimentation that goes into creating the future of furniture design. Images, links and more from Econyl and Aquafil! Many thanks to this episode’s sponsors: This episode of Clever is brought to you by Aquafil, makers of ECONYL, a regenerated nylon derived from 100% recycled waste. Learn more here. Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 158: Bringing Data to Life with Information Designer Giorgia Lupi | 26 Oct 2021 | 00:45:57 | |
Information designer and advocate for data humanism, Giorgia Lupi, spent her childhood in Italy organizing buttons in her grandmother’s tailor shop, a data collector already in the making. The teenage years had her expressing herself through the punk rock and heavy metal scene in her town. After receiving her master’s degree in Architecture, she began her PhD in Design at Politecnico di Milano while founding Accurat, an internationally acclaimed data-driven design firm. Now a partner at Pentagram, and author of personal projects such as Dear Data, she continues to push for a humanistic approach to data as a path to understanding our complex realities. Images, links and more from Giorgia! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. Clever's promotional partner is Design Milk. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! SUBSCRIBE - listen to Clever on any podcast app! SIGN UP - for our Substack for news, bonus content, new episode alerts VISIT - cleverpodcast.com for transcripts, images, and 200+ more episodes SAY HI! - on Instagram & LinkedIn @cleverpodcast @amydevers Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Clever Confidential Ep. 3: Frank Lloyd Wright and the Murders at Taliesin | 19 Oct 2021 | 00:29:19 | |
On the afternoon of August 14th, 1915, fire ripped through Taliesin, the Spring Green, Wisconsin home of the world’s most famous architect, Frank Lloyd Wright. When the smoke cleared seven people would be dead, murdered with an axe at the hands of Julian Carlton, a servant of Wright’s. But why? The motive remains a mystery to this day. But there are so many other questions. Why does seemingly everyone know Frank Lloyd Wright but strangely, very few seem to know this much darker side of his story? In this episode we’ll investigate all of that as well as the great state of Wisconsin, Wright’s never-ending battle with societal norms, and the interplay between critics and creative professionals. Happy Halloween! Images, links and more about Frank Lloyd Wright and the Murders at Taliesin! If you like Clever Confidential and want to hear more, please support us by telling your friends and letting us know what you think! You can find us on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook - @CleverPodcast, @amydevers If you enjoy Clever Confidential we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! Thank you to Brad Lynch of Brininstool & Lynch Architects for lending his expertise, insight and colorful commentary and to "The Harry Ransom Center at the University of Texas for audio clips from the historic Frank Lloyd Wright interview. Clever Confidential is created and produced by Amy Devers, hosted by Amy Devers and Andrew Wagner, with editing and sound design by Camille Stennis, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan. Our theme music is “Astronomy" by Thin White Rope. Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 157: Designing for Dramatic Effect with Yasmine Ghoniem | 12 Oct 2021 | 00:53:58 | |
Interior designer and self-described “cocktail,” Yasmine Ghoniem has lived a whirlwind life across continents, cultures, and careers. Born in Kuwait to Australian and Egyptian parents, she lived throughout the Middle East before moving to the United States to attend Savannah College of Art and Design. She always had a deep love for music, feeling destined to be a performer, she formed indie rock bands with family and friends throughout the years. Yasmine eventually put down roots in Sydney, Australia where she founded and leads YSG Studio, an interior design studio focusing on residential and hospitality. She brings her eclectic influences and flair for the theatrical drama of staging and storytelling to all of her spaces. Intoxicating indeed! Images, links and more from Yasmine! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. Clever's promotional partner is Design Milk. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 156: Clever Extra - Creating Happier Places with Biophilic Design | 05 Oct 2021 | 00:52:19 | |
On this Clever Extra, Amy Devers sits down with Kari Pei, Interface VP of Global Product Design; David Oakey, founder of David Oakey Designs; and Bill Browning, founding partner of Terrapin Bright Green and co-author of Nature Inside: A Biophilic Design Guide. Together, they unpack the science, practical applications, and ROI of creating happier places with biophilic design. They dive into how diversity can inspire fabric patterns, how “evidence-based design” can improve cardiac patients' health, and the ‘psychoacoustics’ of moving water. Kari, David, and Bill discuss their favorite patterns, the power of biophilic design to create a better world, and how design and technology can continue to draw from the world around us to create happier places. Many thanks to this episode’s sponsors: Interface, Inc. is a global flooring company specializing in carbon-neutral carpet tile and resilient flooring, including luxury vinyl tile (LVT), vinyl sheet, and nora® rubber flooring. Our products are designed with purpose, and we are committed to producing floors that inspire our customers to create spaces that enhance productivity, well-being, and the health of the planet. Through our mission, Climate Take Back™, we are working to reverse global warming and to encourage others to approach business in a way that is restorative for the planet and people. Learn more about Interface at interface.com. Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 155: Creative Acts for Curious People with d.school’s Sarah Stein Greenberg | 21 Sep 2021 | 00:48:22 | |
Sarah Stein Greenberg, Executive Director of the Stanford d.school, spent her childhood in Philly running bases, reading books, and getting lost in her vivid imagination. After getting an undergraduate degree in History, she embarked on an MBA at Stanford, which resulted in her introduction to the d.school and into the dynamic and fascinating world of design. As a lover of complexity and intersections, she found her tribe. Now she’s authored Creative Acts for Curious People, a rich and visual resource filled with innovative exercises aimed at helping everyone unlock their own creative potential. Images, links and more on our website! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. Clever's promotional partner is Design Milk. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 154: Clever Extra - Revolutionizing Design and Shaping the Future with Braun | 14 Sep 2021 | 00:53:43 | |
In this Clever Extra, Amy Devers sits down with Oliver Grabes, Head of Design at legendary design brand Braun. Known for iconic design, innovation, and the unique ability to be both revolutionary and relevant for a century, Braun’s focus on simple, easy-to-use design has led the way for functional, elegant, and enduring products. Oliver reflects on Braun’s legacy and its future, including their global study with Gen Z - confirming inclusive and sustainable design is what matters most to future generations. Committed to investing in the future of design, Braun is also paving the way for young designers, students, and inventors through the 21st BraunPrize International Design Competition. With a theme of Shape Tomorrow, the BraunPrize aims to support and encourage innovative ideas that address the challenges we face today and in the years to come. Images, links and more from Braun and Oliver Grabes! Many thanks to this episode’s sponsors: This year, iconic design company Braun is turning 100! Learn more about Braun’s lasting impact of the brand at braun.com. This year, they are once again celebrating emerging designers with their International competition for young designers, inventors, and students. The deadline to enter is September 30th, 2021—so there’s still time. For details - Visit braunprize.org to learn more. Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 153: Harnessing Creative Confidence with Majo Molfino | 07 Sep 2021 | 00:53:34 | |
A writer, speaker, and women’s creative leadership coach, Majo Molfino is a champion for smashing the patriarchy (both within and outside each of us!) and supporting women in harnessing their creative confidence and power. A precocious child, she was born in Argentina and moved with her family across the US and Canada, eventually landing in San Francisco. As an immigrant, she grew up trying to uphold the “Good Girl Myth” sacrificing her identity, her creativity, and her confidence to counteract the feeling of not belonging. After a windy path through a few stuffy 9 to 5s, she went on a few mind-blowing voyages and began to reconnect with herself. Now, Majo is the host of the HEROINE podcast, author of “Break the Good Girl Myth,” and is a role model and a leader in designing a life and career that is a perfect fit. Images, links and more from Majo! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. Clever's promotional partner is Design Milk. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 152: Clever Extra - Chromatic Consciousness | 02 Sep 2021 | 00:38:30 | |
In this special episode, we are shining some light on color. Brought to you by Ultrafabrics, this presentation was recorded in May 2021 as part of CLOSEUP, a liive & virtual 2-day design showcase event presented by WantedDesign Manhattan and ICFF. We dive into color - its power to influence our perception, our mood, even our consciousness with several experts. We hear from Kimberle Frost, a color specialist for Ultrafabrics; Larah Moravek, founder and design director of Dutch East Design; Malene Barnett, artist and founder of the Black Designers + Artists Guild; Anna Murray, designer and co-founder of Patternity; and Patrick O’Donnell, international brand ambassador for Farrow & Ball. The conversation touches on how the pandemic has influenced our appetite for color, how to be more creative with color and how we can break some of the “rules” around color and explore new inspiring ways to bring color into our everyday life. Images, links and more from the CLOSEUP Chromatic Consciousness Panel! Many thanks to this episode’s sponsor: Special thanks to Ultrafabrics for supporting this episode. Learn more at ultrafabricsinc.com. Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Clever Confidential Ep. 5: Eileen Gray and the Aura of E-1027 [encore] | 28 Jan 2025 | 00:37:17 | |
Clever Confidential is Clever’s offshoot series, where we dig into the darker side of design - the shadowy, sometimes sordid tales hiding under a glossy topcoat of respectable legacy. In Ep. 5 we explore the haunting tale of E-1027, an architectural masterpiece born of love but marred by betrayal, obsession, and tragedy. From its creation by Eileen Gray to its desecration by Le Corbusier, and its descent into decadence during World War II, this house has borne witness to some of humanity’s darkest and most beautiful moments. Hosts Amy Devers and Andrew Wagner uncover the secrets etched into its walls and the spirits that linger within. Many thanks to this episode’s guest expert Anthony Flint, author of Modern Man: The Life of Le Corbusier, Architect of Tomorrow and host of the Land Matters podcast. See images and read the transcript! SUBSCRIBE - listen to Clever on any podcast app! SIGN UP - for our Substack for news, bonus content, new episode alerts VISIT - cleverpodcast.com for transcripts, images, and 200+ more episodes SAY HI! - on Instagram & LinkedIn @cleverpodcast @amydevers Please help us out by completing a short LISTENER SURVEY If you enjoy Clever Confidential we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Credits: Hosts: Amy Devers & Andrew Wagner Writing and research: Amy Devers, Andrew Wagner, Ilana Nevins Guests: Anthony Flint Editing and Sound Design: Mark Zurawinski Theme Music: “Astronomy” by Thin White Rope courtesy of Frontier Records Logo design: Laura Jaramillo remixed by Graham Hauser Production: Devers Endeavors Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 121: People-Centered Designer Marquise Stillwell [Rebroadcast] | 31 Aug 2021 | 00:54:33 | |
People-centered designer Marquise Stillwell spent his youth in Ohio learning to be a good neighbor and going to art museums with his grandfather. Always part of a community of makers—auto factories, steel plants, engineers and industrial designers—his curiosity for people and spaces grew into a passion for creating systems and formulas that make built environments better for all people. Not surprisingly, his ability to be open, vulnerable, listen and hold space is at the center of his design practice. Images, links and more from Marquise Stillwell! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino and music by El Ten Eleven. Clever's promotional partner is Design Milk. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 131: Interior Designer Kara Mann [Rebroadcast] | 24 Aug 2021 | 00:59:30 | |
Born and raised in Chicago IL, Kara Mann was steeped in an environment of creativity, elegance, and resourcefulness. An entrepreneur at heart, Kara would sell CDs to fund projects and lie about her age to work restaurant shifts. Now she runs her own studio and has racked up clients like Virgil Abloh, Goop and several luxury hotels. She’s just launched a collection with CB2 and a line of home essentials called Kept. The Wall Street Journal aptly calls her a “spark plug in the world of design.” Images, links and more from Kara Mann! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino and music by El Ten Eleven. Clever's promotional partner is Design Milk. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep.141: Hip Hop Architect Michael Ford [Rebroadcast] | 17 Aug 2021 | 01:13:51 | |
Michael Ford is the designer and activist known as The Hip Hop Architect. Born in Highland Park, Michigan the son of a minister, Michael was raised to be inquisitive and question the world around him to find deeper truth. Early on, he found his passion for design and music, expanding it into a practice of architecture and design through the lens of Hip Hop culture. This led to his founding of The Hip Hop Architecture Camp®, a camp that positions Hip Hop Culture as a catalyst to introduce architecture and design to underrepresented youth. He’s also working with some of Hip Hop's greatest names as he leads the design of The Universal Hip Hop Museum in The Bronx. Images, links and more from Michael Ford! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Laura Jaramillo and music by El Ten Eleven. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 140: Creative Reaction Lab CEO Antionette Carroll [Rebroadcast] | 10 Aug 2021 | 00:52:57 | |
Designer Antionette Carroll, born, raised, and based in St. Louis, Missouri, is a natural born leader who has been on a mission since day one. She’s the founder of Creative Reaction Lab, a nonprofit educating and deploying youth to challenge racial and health inequities impacting Black and Latinx populations. Antionette co-pioneered an award-winning form of creative problem solving called Equity-Centered Community Design and in doing so has received several recognitions and awards including being named an ADL and Aspen Institute Civil Society Fellow, TED Fellow, SXSW Community Service Honoree, and Essence Magazine Woke 100, among many others. She’s also a classic Taurus, the mother of twins, a fan of Mexican food, and a proud granddaughter! Images and more from our guest! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Laura Jaramillo and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. Clever's promotional partner is Design Milk. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 136 Brian Chesky [Rebroadcast] | 03 Aug 2021 | 01:06:09 | |
Airbnb Co-Founder & CEO, Brian Chesky, grew up playing hockey and asking Santa for poorly designed toys so he could redesign them. A self-described “peculiar” kid obsessed with art, no one pegged him as a future CEO. He studied industrial design at RISD where he also met his future business partner. After soaring global success, Airbnb, having suffered dramatic losses due to coronavirus, is getting back to its creative values and making meaningful contributions in the modern crisis of connection. For images and more from Brian Chesky, read the show notes! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Laura Jaramillo and music by El Ten Eleven. Clever's promotional partner is Design Milk. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 151: Architect Chandra Robinson | 20 Jul 2021 | 01:24:11 | |
Chandra Robinson is a Principal at LEVER and Portland Design Commissioner. A Portland native, she grew up with a great love for outdoor education, inspiring her to spend years as a sea kayaking guide and to study geography and physics. From an early age though, she was always fascinated by buildings and developed a deep love for spaces that felt safe, welcoming, and comfortable. She eventually found her way to Boston Architectural Center where she earned her MArch and found exceptional opportunities to work at firms of all sizes. Returning to Portland, she found her professional home at LEVER. First as an architect and now as a Principal, she’s led groundbreaking projects such as the Meyer Memorial Trust in Lower Albina. She is resourceful, brilliant, and dedicated to making her hometown feel welcoming, beautiful, and accessible to all. Images, links and more from Chandra! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 150: Design Milk Founder Jaime Derringer | 06 Jul 2021 | 00:50:37 | |
Founder of Design Milk and Clever co-creator Jaime Derringer grew up in New Jersey. An only child until 8, she was fiercely independent with an artistic streak, drawing inspiration from her quirky Nana. During college, she fell in love with Japanese and Asian culture, which still influences the artwork she does today, ranging from digital art to painting to tufted art. After college, she worked in project management, having a natural skill for coordinating and love for new challenges. In 2006, she founded Design Milk, a website featuring all things art and design that she loved. Now, 15 years later, Design Milk has expanded into a Shop, wide-reaching social media presence, and a growing team. In 2019, Jaime sold Design Milk to AHALife, remaining involved as CCO. She is a vibrant leader, brilliant artist, and a wonderful mom, friend, and wife. Her years of following her own artistic streak have certainly paid off. Images, links and more from Jaime! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. Clever's promotional partner is Design Milk. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 149: Creative Leader Brian Rice | 22 Jun 2021 | 00:44:02 | |
Designer Brian Rice currently serves as the Chief Brand and Design Officer for 3M. A self-identified “hybrid coast kid”, Brian was born in South Jersey and grew up in central Florida. A child of divorce, he acquired a greater appreciation for the different perspectives, culture, and environments he was exposed to from an early age. A curious student, he started down the engineering path but quickly realized that wasn’t the right fit, and switched to design. After college, he has worked for iconic brands such as Proctor & Gamble, The Coca-Cola Company, Georgia Pacific and Bristol Myers-Squibb. He understands design as an essential connective tissue, a powerful tool to create space for artistic expression and to embrace greater diversity and inclusion. Brian knows that if we use design as a force for good, we can not only move in the direction of justice, but we can create compelling, creative products for consumers worldwide. Images, links and more from Brian! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Laura Jaramillo and music by El Ten Eleven. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 148: Entrepreneurial Raconteur John Edelman | 08 Jun 2021 | 01:09:51 | |
Former CEO of Design Within Reach and business consultant, John Edelman grew up on a horse farm in Connecticut. The youngest of 6, his childhood was filled with love, surrounded by his parents’ big dreams, in a home filled with visitors, from Andy Warhol to fashion executives. A hustler and daredevil from an early age, he excelled at flipping cars and riding dirt bikes but struggled in school. After college, John joined the family leather business, sorting buffalo skins in Thailand, worked for his brother at Esprit, and lived in Brazil to work in the shoe business. From 2010 - 2019 John served as CEO of Design Within Reach, during his tenure he pulled the company out of a downward spiral, transformed it into the world leader in authentic design, and led a highly publicized sale to Herman Miller. Now, Co-Founder of Fourth & Pride vodka, John’s life has been one great story after another - from adventure to romance, hardships to triumph, and a future that looks just as thrilling. Images, links and more from John Edelman! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. Clever's promotional partner is Design Milk. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 147 Creativity & Career: Designing Opportunities | 25 May 2021 | 00:55:45 | |
On May 12, to kick off WantedDesign Online 2021’s online International Schools Show, host Amy Devers sat down with three brilliant, inspiring thought-leaders to discuss opportunities, advice, and insight for design students' next steps. Amy was joined by Natalie Nixon, Founder of Figure 8 Thinking; Diane Domeyer, Executive Director of The Creative Group; and Rosanne Somerson, President of RISD. The conversation looks beyond the portfolio to frame the value of creative training, stresses the importance of curiosity, and reminds us that the career path is itself a creative endeavor. With their creative tool kits, design students have everything they need to design their own opportunities. Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Clever Confidential Ep. 4: Olivetti and the Race to Create the First Personal Computer [encore] | 21 Jan 2025 | 00:38:05 | |
Clever Confidential is Clever’s offshoot series, where we dig into the darker side of design - the shadowy, sometimes sordid tales hiding under a glossy topcoat of respectable legacy. Before Silicon Valley, there was Olivetti—an Italian design powerhouse on the brink of changing the world. But just as their revolutionary computer neared completion, tragedy struck. Visionary leader Adriano Olivetti and brilliant engineer Mario Tchou both died suddenly, their deaths cloaked in secrecy and Cold War paranoia. What really happened to them—and who stood to gain? Host Amy Devers and writer Andrew Wagner follow the trail of innovation, betrayal, and buried history to uncover how a company destined to shape the digital age was silenced... and why its story was nearly erased. Images, links, and more about Olivetti! Many thanks to our guest expert Barry Katz. Audio clips courtesy of Luca Cottini - Italian Innovators youtube video - CAMILLO & ADRIANO OLIVETTI. At the Origins of the Computer Age. Linkedin and instagram @italianinnovators SUBSCRIBE - listen to Clever on any podcast app! SIGN UP - for our Substack for news, bonus content, new episode alerts VISIT - cleverpodcast.com for transcripts, images, and 200+ more episodes SAY HI! - on Instagram & LinkedIn @cleverpodcast @amydevers If you enjoy Clever Confidential please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Writing and research: Amy Devers, Andrew Wagner, Ilana Nevins Editing and Sound Design: Camille Stennis and Mark Zurawinski Theme Music: “Astronomy” by Thin White Rope courtesy of Frontier Records Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 146: Roman Alonso of Commune Design | 18 May 2021 | 01:07:04 | |
Principal of Commune Design, Roman Alonso grew up in Caracas Venezuela, often traveling around in a motorhome with his family to escape to nature, before moving to Miami as a teenager. He attended Boston University, with the underlying fantasy of getting to New York. After college, he got a job at Barney’s in New York, wrote for the style section of The New York Times, and started a publishing company, Greybull Press. Commune was founded in 2004 in Los Angeles and since then Roman and partner Steven Johanknecht have grown it into a vibrant community of creatives, a Commune Shop, and impressive international hospitality projects, including many Ace Hotels, that have the adventurous, warm spirit Roman brings to everything he does. Images, links and more from Roman Alonso! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 145: Sculptor Jonathan Trayte | 04 May 2021 | 00:40:29 | |
Sculptor and furniture designer Jonathan Trayte, a native of Yorkshire, UK, spent his early childhood in a campervan with his family in rural southern South Africa. Back in the UK, his childhood was filled with weekend picnics in the Yorkshire Sculpture Park, sparking his love for sculpture. He went to Canterbury for his BFA and worked in kitchens on the side, a job that continues to influence his work today. Jonathan graduated from the Royal Academy in Art and was quickly met with success around his bronze sculptures but was itching to experiment more. And experiment he certainly has - from collaborating with Kit Neale on a café commissioned by the British Fashion Council to creating a desert road-trip inspired show at Friedman Benda, he melds together materials, concepts, and memories to create exceptional works of art. Images, links and more from Jonathan Trayte! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Rich Stroffolino, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven. Clever's promotional partner is Design Milk. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Special thanks to our sponsors!
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| Ep. 144: Civic and Service Designer Sarah Brooks | 20 Apr 2021 | 01:00:35 | |
Civic and service designer Sarah Brooks grew up in Manhattan, the daughter of an actress and doctor. With a voracious imagination, she spent her days running around with the neighborhood kids or watching her mom on stage. As a teenager, she found her tribe in the punk rock scene, inspired by the DIY attitude and creative expression. After getting started professionally in TV production, sudden and profound tragedy struck, sending Sarah’s life on a radical detour through grief, healing, and rebuilding herself. The journey led her to a greater appreciation for emotional honesty, human connection and presence - qualities she also brings to her creative work as design executive at IBM, and as an advocate for social impact and regenerative design. Images, links and more from Sarah Brooks! Clever is created, hosted and produced by Amy Devers and with music from El Ten Eleven and editing by Rich Stroffolino. If you enjoy Clever we could use your support! Please consider leaving a review, making a donation, becoming a sponsor, or introducing us to your friends! We love and appreciate you! Special thanks to our sponsors!
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