Chaos and Cunning – Details, episodes & analysis

Protection Magic is one of the basic forms of magic, and one of the most important to learn more about early on. This is a really juicy episode between two witches who have different approaches to protection magic. Siri even goes through a full run down of how to cast a magic circle! We also talk about cleansing magic and the necessity of pairing cleansing and protection magic.

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We will be taking a mid-season break, but over on the Patreon we are running a mini arc on Midwest Folklore that we're super excited about! You'll also get access to some of the benefits that Siri and Cassandra have for their individual Patreon pages as well.

And as always, if you want to support them directly, you can do so!

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Today on the podcast Siri interviews Kelly-Ann Maddox, an award-winning tarot reader, qualified spiritual councellor, and witchcraft mentor. She has spent over a decade offering her energizing service and advice to her growing audience on YouTube. In this episode, Siri and Kelly-Ann get candid about using witchcraft in their activism, their relationships with Norse death goddess Hel, and Kelly-Ann’s book “Witch in Darkness.”

Please note: This podcast was actually recorded for the first launch of Chaos and Cunning in December of 2024. After Siri launched, they spoke with Cassandra and the two decided to relaunch this podcast together. Siri took down all of the old episodes of the podcast before the re-launch.

Check out Kelly-Ann’s work on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@kelly-annmaddox

Book a reading or other service with her: https://www.kelly-annmaddox.com/

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Discernment is one of the most important tools a witch can use, and it can be difficult to develop discernment on your own. Siri and Cassandra wanted to talk about discernment early in the podcast to make sure that as you listen and develop your own practice, you have some tools to develop your own discerning abilities.

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In this episode, Cassandra Snow and Siri Vincent Plouff explore the intricate relationship between magic and divination, sharing their personal experiences and insights. They delve into various divination methods, including tarot, and discuss the importance of understanding the cards' meanings and the energy surrounding them. They also touch on the practical applications of divination in everyday life and magic, emphasizing the need for reflection and intention in their practices.
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Chaos and Cunning is a podcast at the crossroads of magic and everyday living.

Join hosts Cassandra Snow (they/them) and Siri Vincent Plouff (they/she) as they share wisdom from years as professional witches.

Siri and Cassandra discuss their personal histories with magic, and what we’re doing here with this podcast. We both approach magic from a folk magic perspective, as well as an innovative, chaos magic perspective.
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Thumper Forge is a Gardnerian High Priest, an initiate of the Minoan Brotherhood, a Discordian Episkopos, and a notary public from Houston, Texas. Their first book, Virgo Witch: Divining the Details was co-authored with Ivo Dominguez, Jr. and was released by Llewellyn Publications in November 2023. Their latest book, The Chaos Apple: Magic and Discordianism for the Postmodern Witch, was released by Llewellyn in November 2025. By day, Thumper manages a leather and fetishwear shop, and by night, they dabble in chaos magic, offer geomantic and lithomantic readings, and blog irreverently for Patheos Pagan. Their essays have previously appeared in The Gorgon’s Guide to Magical Resistance (Revelore Press, 2022) and Modern Witchcraft with the Greek Gods: History, Insights & Magickal Practice (Llewellyn Publications, 2022).

A quick disclaimer before we get into the episode:

We had quite a few audio issues with this recording, and as a result the audio quality isn't great. If you have issues with migraines or other auditory issues, this episode may trigger them. If you would rather read the episode instead, please visit our Patreon where you can read all of our transcripts of public episodes for free.

Go to: https://patreon.com/chaosandcunning

And while you're there ... why not support us? ;)

And here are all of the links to Thumper's work:

Thumper's Website: https://thumperforge.com/

https://fivefoldlaw.mayhem.my

patheos.com/blogs/fivefoldlaw

Find them on social media (Instagram, TikTok, BlueSky, AND Facebook) with username @FiveFoldLaw

Buy "The Chaos Apple"

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One of the things that people just starting out in their magical journey get a little afraid of is spirit contact. But sometimes it's just fun to have ghost friends, so why not explore it when you feel ready? In this episode Siri and Cassandra talk about many different kinds of spirit contact, different boundaries to draw around that contact, and we share a few stories of different scrapes we've been in and how we've made it out of them. This one's a long one, so make sure to grab your favorite beverage and sit down to relax.
If you would like to read a transcript of this episode, all of our transcripts are available for free on our Patreon.

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Support Siri monthly:

https://www.patreon.com/SiriVincentPlouff

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https://www.patreon.com/CassandraSnow

https://deartarot.substack.com/

Get out your makeup brushes, your chest binders, and your most fabulous outfits and let's talk all things Glamour Magic! It might sound like a very niche area of witchcraft, but we wanted to talk about it in the first season of Chaos and Cunning because it is so so so useful from a body liberation, queer liberation perspective. In this episode Cassandra and Siri talk about many different ways and reasons to do glamour magic - and some of them may surprise you.

If you would like to read a transcript of this episode, all of our transcripts are available for free on our Patreon.

As long as you're there, support the show on Patreon!

https://www.patreon.com/chaosandcunning

Support Cassandra monthly:

https://www.patreon.com/CassandraSnow

https://deartarot.substack.com/

Support Siri monthly:

https://www.patreon.com/SiriVincentPlouff

Hello lovely listeners! Did you miss us? We're back from our midseason break and so we're talking about what it looks like to take a break from your magical practice and how to ease back in. This is an important episode where we're talking about magical burnout as well as what that looks like from both a professional practitioner perspective as well as a regular practicing witch perspective. We give you tips and support for coming back to a magical practice.

Transcripts of all of our episodes are available on our Patreon for free.

Check us out here to support the podcast directly: https://www.patreon.com/cw/ChaosandCunning

If you're interested in supporting either or both of us on a monthly basis, check out our monthly offerings:

Subscribe to Cassandra's hot new offering, Dear Tarot: deartarot.substack.com

Support Cassandra Monthly: https://www.patreon.com/cassandrasnow

Support Siri Monthly: https://www.patreon.com/sirivincentplouff