Caffeine and Cardboard - a hockey card podcast fuelled by coffee, collecting and conversation.
Join three hobby friends as they share stories from the hobby, open packs, discuss iconic cards and collections, interview fellow collectors and explore what makes hockey card collecting so special. From vintage legends and modern stars to hobby trends and unforgettable collecting memories, every episode is built around the people and stories behind the cards.
Whether you're a seasoned collector, a returning hobbyist, or just discovering the world of hockey cards, pull up a chair, grab your favourite cup of coffee, and join the conversation.
Caffeine and Cardboard - conversations about hockey cards and the hobby over a cup of coffee.
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Episode 11 - PWHL Fleer Ultra with Matt Burrows of Upper Deck
Season 1 · Episode 11
Sunday, September 6, 2026 • Duration 01:45:08
The conversation covers a range of topics, including weather, home heating, and the PWHL league. Matt Burroughs discusses the PWHL Flear Ultra product, its design, and the inspiration behind it. He also talks about the marketing of the women's hockey league and the potential for incorporating women's cards in NHL products. The conversation also delves into the PWHL season, the hot numbers lenticular cards, and the misson scene inserts. The conversation covers the nostalgia and significance of the Fleer Ultra set, the design and uniqueness of the medallion cards, the impact of physical product availability, and the collector experience. It also delves into the history and storytelling aspect of the PWHL franchise and the excitement of opening packs. The conversation covers a detailed discussion of various hockey cards, including their designs, players, and market value. It also delves into the significance of specific card features and the personal experiences associated with them. The conversation revolves around the opening of hockey card packs, showcasing the excitement of discovering rare and valuable cards. The discussion also delves into the impact of tariffs on the card collecting industry and the challenges of shipping and trading cards internationally. The conversation covers a wide range of topics, including card collecting, trading, and the excitement of acquiring rare and unique cards. The hosts also discuss the history of hockey cards, the significance of vintage cards, and the anticipation of the upcoming hockey season.
Takeaways
PWHL Flear Ultra product is a case hit and features unique, artistic designs.
The PWHL league has a separate identity and is focused on standing on its own in the market.
The hot numbers lenticular cards and the misson scene inserts are standout features of the product. Nostalgia and significance of the Fleer Ultra set
Design and uniqueness of the medallion cards
Impact of physical product availability
Collector experience and storytelling aspect of the PWHL franchise Hockey card designs and features are a significant aspect of the conversation.
The market value and personal significance of specific hockey cards are explored. Excitement of Opening Packs
Impact of Tariffs on Card Collecting Industry Card collecting involves a deep appreciation for rarity and uniqueness.
The history and significance of vintage hockey cards add depth and storytelling to collections.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Weather Chat
02:20 Matt's Busy Schedule and Wedding Planning
03:39 PWHL Flear Ultra Product and Its Success
11:06 Discussion on Women's Hockey and PWHL Season
23:42 Marketing and Incorporation of Women's Cards in NHL Products
27:32 PWHL Flear Ultra Inserts: Hot Numbers and Misson Scene
32:43 Nostalgia and Significance of Fleer Ultra
33:13 Design and Uniqueness of Medallion Cards
35:01 Impact of Physical Product Availability
39:09 Collector Experience and Storytelling
58:51 Exploring Hockey Card Designs
01:00:07 Market Value and Personal Significance
01:01:14 Player Cards and Memorabilia
01:03:03 Collectible Card Features
01:04:14 Value and Recognition
01:05:33 Card Sets and Box Value
01:09:30 Lenticular Card Features
01:09:35 Excitement of Opening Packs
01:16:38 Impact of Tariffs on Card Collecting Industry
01:25:13 Rare and Unique Cards
01:26:31 The Excitement of Acquiring Rare Cards
01:29:11 The Significance of Vintage Cards
01:35:15 Anticipation of the Upcoming Hockey Season
Episode 10 - Talking w/ Carter and Justin of the Saskatchewan Card and Collector Experience
Season 1 · Episode 10
Sunday, August 30, 2026 • Duration 01:34:21
The conversation covers the upcoming Saskatchewan Card and Collector Experience, including details about the event, its growth, and the unique experience it offers. The hosts and guests discuss the show's features, sponsors, and the impact of in-person interactions in the hobby. The conversation covers the excitement of sharing and appreciating card collections, the unique experiences and connections formed through collecting, and the anticipation of an upcoming card show in Saskatoon. The hosts discuss the passion for collecting, the significance of cards in their lives, and the community aspect of the hobby. The conversation covers the upcoming card show, collecting preferences, and the unique aspects of the show. It also delves into the local beer culture and the anticipation for upcoming card releases. The conversation covers a variety of topics including personal card pickups, the PWHL, and upcoming hockey card releases. The hosts share their recent card acquisitions, discuss the PWHL expansion, and anticipate the release of new hockey card sets. They also touch on the significance of certain hockey cards and the history behind them.
Takeaways
Community and Relationships
Event Planning and Execution Passion for collecting
Community and connections
Anticipation of the upcoming card show Card show details and unique features
Collecting preferences and experiences
Local beer culture and upcoming card releases PWHL Expansion
Hockey Card Acquisitions
Anticipation for New Hockey Card Releases
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Weather Chit-Chat
01:21 Location and Logistics
04:07 Event Details and Features
11:19 Building the Show and Community Impact
21:38 Marketing and Demand
24:25 The Joy of Sharing Collections
25:20 The Significance of Card Collecting
27:03 Anticipation of the Upcoming Card Show
43:34 The Card Show Experience
45:21 Collecting Preferences and Experiences
54:40 Local Beer Culture and Card Releases
Episode 9 - Would You Still Collect If Nobody Else Cared?...
Season 1 · Episode 9
Sunday, August 23, 2026 • Duration 02:20:01
The conversation covers a range of topics, including the impact of travel experiences on collecting, the influence of Jeremy Lee's book on collecting decisions, the role of AI technology in collecting and market analysis, and the connection between the card market and larger economic factors. The discussion also delves into market speculation and the potential impact of external factors on the card market. The conversation delves into the transformation of the card market into a commodity, influenced by market movers, indexes, and influencers. It explores the impact of inflated prices, market shifts, and the role of big buyers and influencers. Additionally, it speculates on the next market focus, considering player performance and potential impact on the hobby market. The conversation delves into the strategic selection of cards, balancing personal preference with market value, and the reflection on past collector decisions. The hosts discuss the impact of their choices and the importance of educating oneself before making card acquisitions. The conversation covers the impact of impulse decisions and the importance of educating oneself before making any decision. It also delves into preparing for a card expo, the value of collecting eighties and nineties cards, and the significance of parallel autos in the hobby. The conversation covers breakout player predictions and their impact on the card market, challenges of storing and displaying cards, and the concept of eye appeal and its impact on card value.
Takeaways
Market Speculation
Impact of External Factors Card market as a commodity
Influencers and market trends
Player performance and market impact Strategic card selection
Balancing personal preference and market value Impulse decisions can lead to missed opportunities
Educate yourself before making any decision Breakout player predictions impact card market
Displaying and storing cards is a challenge
Eye appeal and its impact on card value
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Sunday Morning Chit-Chat
03:08 The Impact of Travel and Cultural Experiences on Collecting
Episode 8 - Hockey Card Auctions, NHL Expansion, Hobby Goals Lists and Missing Food Delivery...?
Season 1 · Episode 8
Sunday, August 16, 2026 • Duration 02:00:17
The episode features a casual conversation between Andrew and Eric, covering topics such as European vacations, movie memories, hobby insights, card auctions, and card collecting. The hosts also discuss their recent experiences, including a kitchen remodel and card bidding experiences. The episode concludes with plans to open 90s hockey card packs. The conversation covers a wide range of topics, including hockey card collecting, player performance, expansion of NHL teams, and the impact on the hockey card market. The discussion also delves into the tax implications for players and the potential effects on the hockey card hobby. The conversation covers the impact of sports network subscriptions on viewers, the expansion of streaming services, the affordability of NHL games, and the potential for new teams in the league. It also delves into the creation of a hockey history collection checklist and the significance of specific hockey cards in telling the story of the sport. The conversation covers the selection of modern defensemen for a hockey card collection, the significance of specific players, and the experience of opening hockey card packs.
Takeaways
European vacations and movie memories
Insights into card auctions and bidding experiences
Recent experiences and plans to open 90s hockey card packs Hockey card collecting goals and strategies
Impact of NHL team expansion on the hockey card market Sports network subscriptions impact viewers and the affordability of NHL games.
The creation of a hockey history collection checklist and the significance of specific hockey cards in telling the story of the sport. Modern defensemen selection
Significance of specific players
Experience of opening hockey card packs
Chapters
00:00 European Vacations and Movie Memories
02:53 Insights into Card Auctions and Bidding Experiences
35:02 Recent Experiences and Plans to Open 90s Hockey Card Packs
35:54 Setting Goals for Hockey Card Collecting
54:48 Expansion of NHL Teams and Its Impact
Episode 7 - Sitting Down with Jay (TopShelfCookieSniper) and Talking Trade Strategies and Much More!
Season 1 · Episode 7
Sunday, August 9, 2026 • Duration 02:17:10
The conversation covers a wide range of topics related to the hobby of collecting sports cards, with a focus on the challenges and changes in the grading process. It delves into the impact of money on the hobby, the frustration with grading inconsistencies, and the shift from a collector's hobby to a commodity-driven market. The conversation delves into the concept of hype and its role in driving interest in the hobby. It explores the impact of hype on card values and the importance of recognizing the stalwarts of the sport and hobby. The discussion also covers the evolving dynamics of card valuation, the influence of online platforms, and the shift in the power to set card values. Additionally, the conversation delves into the nuances of card grading, the significance of eye appeal, and the changing standards for different eras of cards. The chapter concludes with insights into the art of trading, the value of communication in trading, and the approach to card acquisition and collection. The conversation covers a wide range of topics related to hockey, player analysis, card collecting, and the future of the NHL. It also delves into the dynamics of the hockey community and the value of different perspectives. A conversation about the passion for hockey cards, learning from each other, and the joy of collecting. The hosts and guest share insights, experiences, and enthusiasm for the hobby, emphasizing the value of respectful discussions and the importance of visual presentation in showcasing card collections.
Takeaways
Grading inconsistencies and the impact of money are changing the nature of the hobby.
The hobby is experiencing a shift from a collector's passion to a commodity-driven market. Hype plays a significant role in driving interest in the hobby and influencing card values.
The dynamics of card valuation have evolved, with online platforms and individual sellers playing a key role in setting card values.
The art of trading involves effective communication, a focus on value, and a preference for trading over buying for certain collectors. Player analysis and evaluation
Card collecting and investment
The evolving dynamics of the hockey community Learning from each other
Respectful discussions
Episode 6 - The Stories Worth Collecting - What Matters More Than Market Value?
Season 1 · Episode 6
Sunday, August 2, 2026 • Duration 01:43:15
The conversation covers late-night card ripping, travel plans, the significance of the Macklin Celebrini Outburst Gold One of One, and the emotional attachment to cards. It delves into the essence of hobby stories and the factors that make a card a keeper in a collection. The conversation delves into the strategic approach to card collecting, emphasizing the importance of personal value over market value. It explores the significance of developing a collection strategy and the impact of market trends on card values. The conversation covers market trends, player performance impact, awards and recognition, and the national and market hype. It delves into the influence of player performance on card collecting decisions, the significance of awards and recognition in the hockey card industry, and the impact of market hype on the national event. The conversation delves into the growing divide between the industry and the hobby, highlighting the impact of money and the emergence of new market dynamics. It also explores the support for young entrepreneurs within the hobby, showcasing the creativity and innovation of young collectors.
Takeaways
Hobby Stories
Emotional Attachment Strategic Card Collecting
Market Value vs. Personal Value Market Trends
Player Performance Impact Industry vs. Hobby
The Influence of Money
Chapters
00:00 Late Night Ripping and Sabbath Saturday
03:30 Upcoming Travel Plans
09:08 The Macklin Celebrini Outburst Gold One of One
14:09 What Makes a Card a Keeper?
22:18 The Story of the Macklin Celebrini Outburst Gold One of One
24:28 Strategic Card Collecting
37:22 Market Value vs. Personal Value
50:41 Market Trends
53:02 Player Performance Impact
01:12:07 Awards and Recognition
01:14:35 The National and Market Hype
01:15:47 The Industry vs. Hobby Divide
01:27:26 Supporting Young Entrepreneurs
Episode 5- Consolidating and Collecting - How Do You Do It?
Season 1 · Episode 5
Sunday, July 26, 2026 • Duration 01:38:33
The conversation covers a wide range of topics, including weather and climate, an interview with Matt Burrows, the evolution of collecting mindset, and product pricing and collecting avenues. The discussion delves into the intentional approach to collecting and the distinction between intentional collecting and accumulating. The conversation delves into the contrasting experiences of immediate satisfaction from pulling cards and the long-term fulfillment of acquiring cards through other means. It also explores the challenges of organizing and managing card collections, as well as the emotional connection individuals have with their cards. The conversation delves into the emotional attachment collectors have to certain cards, as well as the importance of purposeful and intentional collecting. It explores the significance of personal stories behind cards and the impact of emotional connections on the hobby. Additionally, it emphasizes the need for collectors to be intentional and purposeful in their collecting, focusing on the value of the cards and the stories they tell. The conversation delves into the vibrant card collecting community, the use of technology in card collecting, the excitement of mail day and show-and-tell, the stories behind the cards, the fascination with PMGs, and concludes with a call to action for engagement and feedback.
Takeaways
Collecting mindset and evolution
Intentional collecting vs. accumulating Immediate satisfaction vs. long-term fulfillment
Organizing and managing card collections
The emotional connection to cards Emotional attachment to cards
Purposeful and intentional collecting Card Collecting Community
Technology in Card Collecting
Chapters
00:00 Weather and Climate
05:38 Interview with Matt Burrows
12:09 Collecting Mindset and Evolution
25:18 Product Pricing and Collecting Avenues
27:05 The Immediate Satisfaction of Pulling Cards
40:24 Organizing and Managing Card Collections
48:46 The Emotional Connection to Cards
53:09 Emotional Attachment to Cards
Episode 4 - Sitting Down with Matt Burrows of Upper Deck
Season 1 · Episode 4
Sunday, July 19, 2026 • Duration 01:25:48
The conversation begins with an introduction and a discussion about the passion for collecting cards. It then transitions into a detailed exploration of the transition from teaching to working at Upper Deck. The conversation delves into the significance of red outbursts as a modern staple chase card, with collectors expressing their admiration for the card's design and desirability. Additionally, the discussion explores the design inspiration behind the Pathway to Gold card, drawing from childhood memories and personal experiences. Finally, the conversation highlights the unique features of the Blue Liners and Clear Cut Winners inserts, providing insights into their design and appeal. The conversation covers topics related to pack odds, card design, autograph inspiration, card framing, legends and technology, and chase cards and grails. The discussion delves into the challenges of obtaining specific card images, the inspiration behind autograph designs, and the pursuit of chase cards in the collecting community. The conversation delves into the intentional approach to collecting, emphasizing the significance of curating a story through cards and the value of community collaboration. The discussion also highlights the role of podcasting in sharing insights and fostering a sense of community within the hobby.
Takeaways
Passion for Collecting
Transition from Teaching to Upper Deck Red Outbursts as a Modern Staple Chase Card
Design Inspiration from Childhood Memories Chase Cards
Design Challenges Intentional collecting
Community collaboration
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Passion for Collecting
08:09 Transition to Upper Deck
26:28 Red Outbursts: The Modern Chase Card
34:15 Pathway to Gold: Design Inspiration
42:19 Blue Liners and Clear Cut Winners
45:48 Pack Odds and Card Design
47:26 Favorite Card Design
48:15 Autograph Inspiration
50:38 Card Framing and Inserts
59:39 Legends and Technology
01:03:10 Chase Cards and Grails
01:04:25 Collecting with Intention
Episode 3 - The Off-Season Game Plan
Season 1 · Episode 3
Sunday, July 12, 2026 • Duration 01:30:32
The NHL off-season is anything but quiet in the hobby. In Episode 3 of Caffeine and Cardboard, we dive into our game plans for the months leading up to the 2026-27 season. We discuss some of our buying and selling strategies, what we're saving for and how we're preparing our collections before the hobby's busiest time of year.
We also explore some of our hobby blindspots, all while juggling some technical difficulties as we learn how to make a great show for you.
Grab your favourite coffee, pull up a chair, and join us for another conversation about the hobby we all love.
Episode 2 - Building a Collection with Purpose
Season 1 · Episode 2
Sunday, July 5, 2026 • Duration 01:16:44
In Episode 2 of Caffeine and Cardboard, we dive into the journey of building meaningful hockey card collections. We share how our collecting philosophies have evolved over the years, the lessons we've learned along the way, and the cards we regret buying—or letting go. We also reflect on the insightful message of patience and discipline inspired by Neil (IrishFlyersCollector) and his appearance on Behind the Bench, discussing why collecting with purpose often leads to the most rewarding hobby experience. As always, we wrap up the conversation by enjoying a great cup of coffee and opening a variety of hockey card packs to see what surprises await.
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01:03:09 Personal Card Pickups
01:04:10 PWHL Expansion
01:06:52 Anticipation for New Hockey Card Releases
13:01 The Influence of Jeremy Lee's Book on Collecting Decisions and Mindset
25:05 The Role of AI Technology in Collecting and Market Analysis
33:04 The Connection Between the Card Market and Larger Economic Factors
36:20 The Commodity Card Market
38:01 The Flippers Vortex
41:14 Next Market Focus
01:02:21 Strategic Card Selection
01:07:46 Collector Confessions and Reflections
01:25:40 Impulse Decisions and Missed Opportunities
01:30:08 Preparing for a Card Expo
01:42:06 Collecting Eighties and Nineties Cards
01:52:10 Value of Parallel Autos
01:57:27 Breakout Player Predictions
02:00:51 Storing and Displaying Cards
02:08:08 Eye Appeal and Card Value
01:08:59 Impact of Sports Network Subscriptions
01:09:54 Expansion of Streaming Services
01:10:26 Affordability of NHL Games
01:20:07 Creation of Hockey History Collection Checklist
01:40:07 Selecting Modern Defensemen
01:41:03 The Significance of Specific Players
01:46:16 Experience of Opening Hockey Card Packs
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Weather Update
03:08 Catching Up and Life Updates
05:00 Discussion on Grading and Its Impact on the Hobby
09:43 The Frustration with Grading and the Hobby's Future
11:37 The Influence of Money on the Hobby
19:49 The Impact of Money on the Hobby and the Future of Collecting
25:05 The Shift from a Collector's Hobby to a Commodity-Driven Market
30:09 The Impact of Money on the Hobby and the Frustration with Grading
35:29 The Future of the Hobby and the Influence of Money
40:18 The Role of Hype in the Hobby
42:11 Evolving Dynamics of Card Valuation
47:19 Nuances of Card Grading and Valuation
56:31 The Art of Trading and Collection
01:18:44 Player Analysis and Evaluation
01:21:12 Card Collecting and Investment
01:34:16 The Evolving Dynamics of the Hockey Community
