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Inside e.l.f. Beauty's Top 1% Advocacy Strategy | Building Brand Advocacy26 Aug 202600:30:27

In this week's episode of Building Brand Advocacy, Samantha Critchell, VP of Corporate Communications at e.l.f Beauty, explores how e.l.f built a zero-distance community by blurring the line between employee passion and consumer co-creation. 

We also unpick how generosity, cultural alignment, and asking consumers what they actually want transforms advocates into brand co-creators, and why straying from your core values is where advocacy collapses.


In this episode, we cover:

  • How e.l.f's zero-distance community model blurs boundaries between brand and consumers 

  • Why employee passion and internal alignment fuels external advocacy

  • The importance of consumer co-creation & digital community

  • Using purpose, values, and generosity as advocacy currency 

  • How to adapt with consumers without sacrificing authenticity


Chapters

00:00 Introduction To Samantha

01:20 e.l.f.’s Zero Distance Philosophy

03:34 Hiring For e.l.f Culture

05:24 Values, Cost, Quality, And Speed

07:00 The Significance Of Superfans And Co Creation

10:41 The New Age Of Social Content As Conversation

14:31 The Purpose Led Advocacy Flywheel

18:30 Zero Distance In Practice

24:27 How Generosity Fuels Word Of Mouth

28:07 Unexpected Community Activations

29:22 Cannes Goals And Wrap Up


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Every brand wants advocacy, few are willing to actually build it. Here's how.12 Aug 202600:29:19

In this week's episode of Building Brand Advocacy, Lindsey Gamble, creator economy strategist at IZEA,  unpacks the latest creator economy shifts, from B2B vs B2C creator strategy to behavioural psychology, and the value of content creators in the modern industry.


We also delve into which brands are winning at advocacy right now, how to turn consumers into advocates, and the impact of showing up in AI-powered search.


In this episode, we cover:

  • The creator economy landscape; key trends, creator value, and why popularity is surging

  • B2B vs B2C creator strategy

  • How brands connect with consumers vs creators

  • The state of brand advocacy, who's doing it right, and how to earn it

  • Showing up in AI-powered search


Chapters

00:00 Welcome to Cannes Lions

02:38 Top Creator Trends

05:30 B2B vs B2C Creators Explained

11:21 Creator Tiers and Trust

14:14 Everyone Is a Creator

17:12 The Current State of Advocacy

22:18 Earning Brand Love

26:20 How AI Search Will Impact


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All Brand Marketing Starts With Advocacy | Camilla Craven on AI, Community & Modern Brand Building29 Jul 202600:51:43

In this week's episode of Building Brand Advocacy, Camilla Craven, former Global Brand & Marketing Director at FaceGym and now Fractional CMO & Consultant to multiple beauty brands, unpacks why advocacy is becoming the backbone of modern marketing strategy, from the operational realities of building community to the rise of employee-generated content and AI's growing role.


We also dig into why the best marketing leaders aren't just measuring advocacy, they're listening.


In this episode, we cover:

  • Advocacy's place in modern marketing and why it's no longer a nice-to-have

  • Community, influencers, and the power of actually listening

  • Tuning out industry noise to focus on what genuinely makes impact

  • Operational struggles, team structures, and the rise of employee-generated content

  • AI's growing role in how brands build and scale advocacy


Chapters

00:00 Welcome Back Camilla

02:45 Advocacy Over Performance

10:20 What To Believe When Everyone’s an Expert

16:28 Fractional CMO Patterns

20:10 Tools, Data, and Adoption

21:57 The importance Of Listening First

23:41 Measuring Advocacy Impact

25:30 Influencer Performance Nuance

27:07 Future Generations and The Social Media Ban

28:29 Martha Stewart MAC Campaign

33:39 The Rise In Employee Generated Content (ECG)

39:39 AI Tool Consolidation

43:14 Who Does Advocacy Best?

44:41 TikTok Shop Brand Dilution

49:56 Cringe or Community Game

51:39 Wrap Up


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Behind LOOKFANTASTIC: Rebuilding a £1B Retail Empire From the Inside15 Jul 202600:56:08

In this week's episode of Building Brand Advocacy, Verity sits down with Georgie Fox, Head of Brand at LOOKFANTASTIC, to dissect what it actually takes to rebuild a brand's foundation from the inside out, and how community became their sharpest growth lever.


This episode covers the brand-partnership relationship, why consumer connection has to run deeper than product, and how brands can fill the gap left by traditional media. Georgie shares the internal culture shifts that made it possible, LOOKFANTASTIC’s anti-gatekeeping approach to knowledge, and the "sausage machine" analogy that redefines what good marketing looks like.  


In this episode, we cover:

  • Rebuilding LOOKFANTASTIC's brand foundation, closing the business-social understanding gap, and why consumer connection must run deeper than product

  • How brands can fill the void left by traditional media and publishing, using community as the gateway through access

  • What good marketing actually looks like and how to measure it effectively using the "sausage machine" analogy 

  • Building a fuelled 360 creator and affiliate strategy, from nurturing genuine partnership relationships to scaling the brand x partner model

  • Anti-gatekeeping as strategy, making employee content creation part of the role and earning real buy-in across the business


Chapters

00:00 Welcome and Guest Intro

05:47 The Home of Iconic Beauty

09:09 Building Brand Foundations

16:29 Proving Brand Impact

21:45 Anti Gatekeeping Strategy

27:30 Creators and LOOKFANTASTIC’s Aspiration Balance

29:43 Influencer Strategy Origins

31:31 From Funnel To Flywheel

37:29 Reddit And Authenticity

41:12 Molly Mae’s Evolution

42:51 Ambassadors Within The Community

53:04 The Future Of Brand Marketing

54:58 Cringe Or Community Quickfire

56:01 Wrap Up


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The 5- Step Framework to Fast & Slow Social Strategy: Beth & Michael from Slice Social01 Jul 202600:55:21

In this week's episode of Building Brand Advocacy, Beth & Michael, founders of Slice social media agency, break down their 5-Step Social Strategy: Discovery, Storytelling, Challenge, Problem-Tension-Goal, and Solution. Plus, why the "Fast & Slow" approach to social is the framework that separates brands that win from brands that just post.


This is an episode designed to give you direction in social media, to integrate a purpose into your posting and work strategically to reach your end objective. 


In this episode, we cover:

00:00 Introduction 

05:15 The 5-Step Social Media Strategy

06:45 Step 1: Discovery

20:06 Step 2: Storytelling through strategy 

29:24 Step 3: The Challenge

33:39 Step 4: Problem, Tension, Goal 

34:50 Step 5: Solution 

44:17 The Fast & Slow Approach To Social 


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Beth: https://www.linkedin.com/in/betheleanorthomas/

Michael: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelrichardcorcoran/

Slice Social: https://www.slice-social.com/


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Cannes Lions CMO on Community, Advocacy & What Actually Moves Revenue22 Jun 202600:45:38

In this weeks episode of Building Brand Advocacy, we invite the CMO of Cannes Lions to join us ahead of the festival to unpack what's actually shifting in advocacy, creator marketing, and how the Lions are judged in 2026. plus hard strategies for measuring community, elevating marketing in the boardroom, and driving real ROI.


In this episode, we cover:

  • What to expect from Cannes Lions in 2026 

  • What’s changing in advocacy & creator marketing

  • The Lion judgement process at Cannes

  • Opportunities for CMOs to elevate marketing in boardrooms 

  • How to effectively measure community 

  • The next generation of CEO & CMO’s

  • Building community through credibility 

Chapters

00:00 Welcome and Guest Intro

01:36 How Cannes Lions Has Evolved

05:20 CMO Pressure and Priorities

09:05 How Cannes Lions Judging Works

15:12 Proof Creativity Drives Growth

18:31 Merging Brand and Performance

22:14 Boardroom Alignment and Metrics

29:31 How to Measure Community Impact

34:19 The CMO of 2030

39:25 You Cannot Buy Attention

42:28 AI and Creative Possibility

45:01 Cannes Week Wrap Up


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CONNECT WITH ILARIA

LinkedIn: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/ilariapasquinelli


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Is The Creator Economy Broken? ft. Manuel Albuquerque10 Jun 202600:18:11

In this live episode of Building Brand Advocacy, Verity sits down with Manuel Albuquerque, founder & CEO of Prime Tag, to unpack the AI revolution reshaping the creator economy from the inside out. 


From the real pressures facing time-poor marketing teams to the problems AI is actually solving (and the myths it's not), Manuel brings the entrepreneur's perspective that brand builders need right now.


In this episode, we cover:

  • Manuel’s journey to entrepreneurship in the influencer space

  • The time poor pressures of marketing teams

  • How AI is influencing the creator economy 

  • The problem that AI is solving for marketing teams

  • Busting AI myths around the creator economy 

If you're navigating influencer strategy in an AI-first world, this one is essential listening.


CHAPTERS

00:00 People And Data First

01:18 Creator Economy Boom

01:59 From Basketball To Tech Startup

04:08 The Influencer Stigma Debate

05:24 Current Status: Bad Data And No Time

06:38 AI Mindset Myth

09:02 Augmented Intelligence Not Artificial Intelligence

10:42 Myth Busting Rapid Fire

12:17 How AI Is Changing Business Models

15:29 Finding Effective Creator X Brand Matches

16:45 Brand Advocacy Advice


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CONNECT WITH MANUEL

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/manuelvicalbuquerque/

PrimeTag: https://www.primetag.com/


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How Grace Andrews Builds A Content Strategy In 5 Steps27 May 202600:39:29

We’re back with another mastermind episode. This week, Grace Andrews takes us through her 5 step framework for building a high performance content engine, from identifying content signals (before selecting platforms) to measuring success metrics that are relevant to you and your brand.


In this episode, we cover:

07:05 Step 1: Identifying Content Signals 

11:47 Step 2: Approach To Content Formats

26:31 Step 3: The Platform Specific Strategy

28:43 Step 4: Where Creators Fit Into Your Content Strategy

32:56 Step 5: How To Measure For Success 


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Building TRIP: How a Challenger Brand Conquered the Wellness Drinks Market 13 May 202600:49:51

In this episode of Building Brand Advocacy, I sit down with Alice Ratcliffe, Head of Brand at TRIP — the wellness drinks brand rewriting the rules of brand positioning in one of the most crowded categories on the market.


Alice pulls back the curtain on how TRIP went from scrappy challenger to a brand that commands culture, loyalty, and shelf space — and what it's really taken to scale that story into the US.


In this episode, we cover:

  • How to stand out in a saturated wellness & drinks market

  • TRIP's influencer strategy and why it's built differently to most other brands

  • Integrating celebrities into your brand without losing authenticity

  • The real strategy for brand building in the US

  • Why employee advocacy is one of the most underrated tools in a marketer's arsenal

  • How to integrate AI for effective brand building in 2026

  • The honest challenges of being the underdog and how to turn them into an advantage

CHAPTERS

00:00 The Polished Brand Problem

02:03 Finding Branded White Space

06:00 Regulation Into Advantage

07:36 Always On Brand Building

10:17 How To Earn Consumer Trust

16:06 Creators Influencers Celebs

23:25 US Expansion Playbook

26:30 Approaching Employee Advocacy

28:39 Scaling Without Gatekeeping

29:51 Email List vs Community

31:15 AI Vs IRL 

33:36 Hosting Inclusive Brand Events

35:50 Winning on TikTok Shop

39:52 Global Growth and Accounts

44:26 Powerful Founder Partnerships


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CONNECT WITH TRIP

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/trip.drinks/

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@trip.drinks


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Is your brand engineered for advocacy? | The Advocacy Maturity Model29 Apr 202600:31:09

In this mastermind episode of Building Brand Advocacy, we break down the Advocacy Maturity Model, a strategic framework for diagnosing exactly where your brand sits on the advocacy spectrum and the precise steps to move from passive mentions to a fully activated community-led growth engine.


Think of it as your strategic advocacy playbook, the kind of session your brand team needs to align on advocacy as a core brand lever rather than a marketing afterthought.


Inside this episode:

  • The 5 stages of brand advocacy maturity and how to identify which stage you're at right now

  • Why most brands plateau at stage 2 and never break through to genuine brand love

  • The structural shifts your team needs to make at each stage of the model

  • How to turn community-led growth into a measurable brand asset

  • The metrics that actually matter when tracking advocacy momentum

If you’re a marketing leader trying to restructure your team's advocacy strategy, this episode gives you the framework to stop guessing and start growing with intention.


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Grace Andrews: Why Your Employees Are Your Most Powerful Brand Asset in 2026 22 Apr 202600:37:16

In this episode of Building Brand Advocacy, Verity sits down with Grace Andrews to unpack the real shifts happening in social right now  and what forward-thinking brands are doing to stay ahead in 2026 and beyond.

Grace brings a sharp, strategic lens to one of the most underutilised growth levers in marketing today: employee advocacy. We go deep on why building brand growth from the inside out isn't just about brand culture but something much bigger.


We then go onto discuss how to build an effective and experimental content eco-system as well as understanding how to navigate YouTube as long form presence is growing within the digital landscape. 


In this episode, we cover:

  • The evolution of social trends shaping brand strategy in 2026

  • A strategic framework for building genuine employee advocacy

  • How to drive real brand growth through your people not just your paid channels

  • Effective content experimentation strategies that actually move the needle

  • Why YouTube is the deepest, most underrated content channel for brand building

  • The trends smart brands are already preparing for in 2026/2027

CHAPTERS

00:00 Episode Trailer 

01:30 Meet Grace Andrews

02:23 2024 Trend Check 

06:52 Employee Advocacy Basics

09:20 Building The Employees Advocacy Infrastructure

14:52 Ownership And Founder Role

17:11 Incentivising Employee Advocacy

19:22 Building A Content Experimentation System

22:29Dummy Social Channels for Safe Testing

24:09 Case Study of the Shameless Network

28:48 YouTube vs Social Scrolling

31:29 Where YouTube Fits into Teams

33:48 Low Lift YouTube for Brands

35:30 Future Creator Brand Partnerships


Whether you're a founder, marketing lead, or brand strategist — this conversation will change how you think about where your next wave of growth actually comes from.


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Why more brands should become entertainment first | The Red Bull Strategy08 Apr 202600:06:11

In this episode of Building Brand Advocacy, we're unpacking the seismic shift happening in marketing right now: is branded entertainment replacing paid ads?


We dig into why the smartest brands are investing in long-form content, storytelling, and entertainment-led campaigns, and how this changes everything from team structure to ROI measurement.


What we cover:

  • Should brands have Global or local social media accounts

  • The perfect niche to scale strategy

  •  Branded entertainment vs paid ads

  • The  Redbull playbook

Whether you're a founder, a marketing lead, or a brand builder trying to do more with less — this is the episode that reframes where your budget should actually be going.


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Verity: www.linkedin.com/in/verityhurd/

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Is Community The New Influencer? Founder of CLIQ Community App01 Apr 202600:48:11

Are communities replacing influencers? In this episode of Building Brand Advocacy, Paul sits down with Nicola Gunby, co-founder of CLIQ,  to talk about why the brands winning right now aren't chasing reach, they're building belonging.


We go deep on the concept of the 'third space' and why it might be the most underutilised tool in your brand's growth strategy right now.


In this episode we cover:

  • The journey behind CLIQ and why Nicola built it

  • What 'third space' communities are and why they matter for brands

  • What it actually takes to build real, lasting community (it's not what you think)

  • How brands can use CLIQ as a community-building tool

  • Frameworks for measuring community impact — beyond vanity metrics

  • Online vs IRL: which builds deeper brand loyalty?

This one is essential listening if you're a CMO or marketing lead questioning where influencer budgets should actually go in 2025.


CHAPTERS

00:00 Introduction

04:29 Community as the Third Place

08:19 Where Brands Go Wrong with Community

13:59 Cliq Brand Case Studies 

19:21 Measuring Community ROI

26:17 Measuring Community Event Demand

28:30 Tap Into Existing Communities

29:40 Samsung Community Case Study

35:17 Online vs In Person Community 

37:34 Sub Communities Strategy

41:40 Geo Local Community

44:18 Cringe Or Community


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CONNECT WITH NICOLA

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nicolargunby/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicola-gunby/
CLIQ: https://www.instagram.com/findyourcliq/

Why Every Brand Should Think Like a Creator | Sidemen's Manager Reveals All 25 Mar 202600:44:23

Is influencer marketing dead? Jordan Schwarzenberger, the man behind the Sidemen's evolution from creators to a multi-million pound enterprise, thinks brands have got content eco-systems wrong. In this episode of Building Brand Advocacy, we break down why the smartest brands are ditching traditional influencer marketing and becoming organic content engines instead.

Jordan reveals the exact content strategy that scaled the Sidemen from a YouTube group into a business empire and how any brand can steal from the creator economy strategy. We go deep on building a content hemisphere, why entertainment-first marketing beats ads, and how to turn community into customers through brand advocacy.

In this episode we cover:

  • Sidemen evolution from creators to an enterprise business.

  • The opportunity for brands to become content engines.

  • Why influencer marketing is dead.

  • Why brands and 10 years behind in content and how to create a solution to get ahead.

Whether you're a CMO, marketer or brand founder, this episode is your blueprint for building a content marketing strategy that actually compounds.


CHAPTERS

00:00 Introduction

02:38 Building the LADBible Agency

07:16 Scaling The Sidemen Businesses

11:16 Defining A Content Infrastructure

12:27 Side Plus Membership Model

17:27 How Brands Should Be Working With Creators

20:23 End Of The Transactional Influencer Model 

23:04 Discovery IS Replacing Followers

26:07 The Influencer Economy Collapse

28:33 Traditional Campaigns Are Dead

30:04 Monoculture To Micro Communities

38:24 The CMO Playbook 

41:40 Contribution Marketing To Serve Then Sell


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CONNECT WITH JORDAN

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordanschwarzenberger/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jordanschwarz/

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How to Build, Scale & Actually Use AI in Marketing18 Mar 202600:42:50

AI for brands is already here. It’s making a shift and as marketing teams, we should be reactive. But the reality is that most brands are still figuring out where to start.

In this episode of Building Brand Advocacy, we break down the real state of AI for brands right now. What's working, what's just noise and how to make AI work for YOU without losing the human touch that drives real brand advocacy.


In this episode, we cover: 

The current state of AI for brands

How to make AI work for you and your team today

How AI will reshape marketing resources and team structures

Practical ways to use AI in your day-to-day work life

Using AI to create real efficiencies across your content and marketing ops

How to build, scale, and manage an AI team from scratch


CHAPTERS

00:00 Build Your AI Native Dream Team

02:32 Manager of Infinite Minds

03:54 Onboarding and Feedback Loop

09:49 Future Proof Marketing Roles Form AI 

15:14 Building AI Agents into Your Workflow

22:30 Repurposing Content With Agents

25:54 Scaling To 11 Agents

31:58 AI Native Mindset Shift

34:45 Create A Preference Sheet for AI

38:34 Training Cadence And Growth


Whether you're a brand team trying to do more with less, or a marketing leader figuring out how to upskill your team, this episode is your AI starter kit.


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How To Build A Community-Led Brand From Scratch (If I Started Over) | Sophie Miller’s Masterclass 11 Mar 202600:23:15

In this mastermind episode, Sophie Miller (founder of Pretty Little Marketer) breaks down the exact tactical steps she’d take to build a high-engagement community from scratch in 2026.


If you’re a brand, marketer or founder trying to turn followers into a real community engine, this episode is a step-by-step guide to catapult your community strategy.


In this episode, you’ll learn:

00:00 Introduction to community building 

00:56 The Platform Strategy

05:06 Step 1: Connection Point

08:19 Step 2: Mission Sentence

11:09 Step 3: Connection To You, Connection To Each Other

16:24 Step 4: Thin Content

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CONNECT WITH SOPHIE

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sophiealicemiller/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sophiemillerrrr/

Pretty Little Marketer: https://www.linkedin.com/company/prettylittlemarketer/


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Inside Trinny London, Benefit & MADE.com: The Truth About Building Brand Advocacy 04 Mar 202600:41:58

Are you building a real community around your brand or just spending budget on meaningless partnerships and vanity metrics? 

In this episode of Building Brand Advocacy, Verity sits down with marketing consultant Lauren Spearman who has worked with Global brands including Benefit Cosmetics, MADE.com, Trinny London to unpack what genuine advocacy looks like today vs. a decade ago and why most influencer strategies are still stuck in 2014.


We go deep on how to move from fabricated, performance-led “community” to truly invested brand advocates who buy, refer, and defend your brand online.


In this episode, you’ll learn:

  • Evolution of brand advocacy over the last 10 years

  • How Benefit Cosmetics build a ‘warm’ brand through effective influencer strategies 

  • How to find organic advocacy in your existing community 

  • How to build real relationships with your influencer partners 

  • What went into creative authentic advocacy at MADE.com

  • The work behind Trinny London Tribe

CMOs, brand and social leads, and anyone tired of pouring budget into influencer campaigns that don’t convert into real advocacy, retention, or revenue, this episode is for you. 


CHAPTERS

02:37 Netmums and Real Community

06:24 Inside Benefit Cosmetics  

12:20 Employee Advocacy in Action

19:33 Benefit Mascara Maldives Launch

21:37 Reframing advocacy at MADE.com

24:52 Building the Advocacy at MADE.com

30:28 Brand Advocacy vs Performance

34:26 Treating Creators as True Partners

37:26 Behind the Trinny Tribe Community

40:36 Quick fire and Wrap Up


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How Glow For It Used TikTok LIVE to Make 6 Figures (Step-by-Step) 25 Feb 202600:05:41

Glow For It didn’t just “do well” on TikTok Live, they drove 6-figures in revenue in a single live shopping stream. In this 5-minute masterclass, founder Daisy Kelly breaks down exactly how it happened and what every modern brand can steal from their TikTok strategy. 


In this episode, we unpack:

  • How Daisy turned community obsession into real-time purchase intent 

  • The TikTok LIVE moment that tipped Glow For It into 6-figure territory

  • The structure of a high-converting TikTok Live Shopping session

  • Why TikTok Shop is replacing traditional “influencer trips” for smart brands

  • The mindset shift founders need to win in live commerce

If you’re a founder, marketer, or growth lead wondering how to turn views into live sales, this is your shortcut. Think of it as a behind-the-scenes launch debrief: no fluff, just what actually moved the needle.


CHAPTERS

00:00 Inside a Six-Figure TikTok Live

01:24 The First 60 Seconds: Hooking Viewers with a Giveaway + Hero Offers

02:24 The Offer That Made It Pop

03:40 Behind-the-Scenes Chaos

04:45 The Six-Figure Moment


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The 3‑Step Framework to Organic Brand Advocacy in 2026 18 Feb 202600:27:02

Influencer trips are dead and they’re killing your organic brand advocacy.

This episode is your permission slip to stop burning budget on one-off influencer posts and replace them with an advocacy engine that compounds over time and generates serious EMV.

In this advocacy masterclass, we break down a clear 3-step system to build organic brand advocates: the customers, creators, and community members who talk about you relentlessly without a pay cheque in sight. If you’re deep in your influencer strategy and unsure how to switch that to building real brand advocacy, this episode is for you.


In this episode, we cover:

  • Why the traditional influencer marketing model is broken in 2026

  • The 3 steps to building a customer-powered advocacy engine

  • How to turn brand customers into high-impact brand ambassadors

  • The difference between one-off “influencer trips” and scalable advocacy systems

  • How to calculate EMV so you can prove ROI to your CMO, CFO, or board

If you want to build a brand that customers proudly talk about, this 3-step strategy is your new advocacy playbook.


CHAPTERS

00:00 Why influencer marketing is broken

04:29 The problem with influencer trips & brand dinners

06:10 Building an organic advocacy engine: map your brand network

07:41 Activating advocates: channels, CRM, and ROI of marketing to fans

11:14 The 3-part framework: Who → Activities → Rewards (airline loyalty lessons)

14:13 Advocacy is a feeling: experiences, founder hustle, and early community building

16:43 From influencer pyramid to advocate segments (pro vs amateur vs semi-pro)

19:23 Measuring real brand advocacy: real EMV, revenue, and content value

24:05 The most untapped opportunity: employees & retail teams as advocates

26:36 90-second tactical recap + wrap-up


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The Exact Strategic Framework To Build A Community-Led Brand (ft Sophie Miller)11 Feb 202600:40:19

Most brands think they have a community, but they’re actively building an audience, not community engagement. In this week's episode, we dive into community building strategy with Sophie Miller, Founder of Pretty Little Marketer. Sophie reveals why relying on followers alone is a dangerous game for modern brands.

“If you don't build your community, someone else will define it for you”. We break down exactly how to transition from "broadcasting" to "building" and why community-led growth is the most defensible asset your brand can own in this era of digital marketing.


In this episode, you’ll learn:

  • The exact 3-step system to build a loyal brand community.

  • Audience vs. Community: The critical difference that most marketing teams miss.

  • Why silence is a liability and how to take ownership of your brand narrative.

  • How to turn passive followers into active brand advocates.

Whether you are a Social Media Manager or a Brand Director, this episode covers the marketing strategy you need to future-proof your brand.


CHAPTERS

00:00 Introduction to Sophie Miller

02:25 The Birth of Pretty Little Marketer

04:50 From Despare to Community Building

06:35 Strategic Growth and Community Engagement

13:22 Community Monetisation and Membership Launch

20:28 The Power of Community in Business

21:04 Navigating LinkedIn and Social Media

22:51 Building a Community-First Strategy

24:01 3 Pillars of PLM's Community

28:30 Measuring Community Success

33:30 Common Mistakes in Community Building

37:26 Final Thoughts and Community Advice for Brands


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Maximising Global Sporting Partnerships: What Rexona | Sure Knows That Most Brands Don’t 04 Feb 202600:37:09

In this episode of Building Brand Advocacy, we sit down with Emily Heath, Global Brand Director of Rexona | Sure, to unpack how one of the world’s biggest, everyday deodorant brands is building true brand awareness and community through sports partnerships.

Emily shares her extensive experience working with Unilever over 17 years and provides insights into managing a global brand. Discover how sport partnerships, particularly in football, have played a crucial role in enhancing brand engagement and creating emotional connections with fans. Emily also touches on the tactical side of sports marketing, leveraging AI in brand marketing, and maintaining brand advocacy outside of major campaigns. Tune in for an in-depth conversation filled with valuable strategies and tips for marketers at any level.


In this episode, we cover:

  • How Rexona | Sure uses sport to drive authentic brand awareness

  • What “good” looks like in global sporting partnerships, and how to maximise them

  • The rise of female sports and how to advocate for it as a global brand

  • The role of ambassadors and athletes for a global brand

  • How to engage and activate community at global scale, while still feeling local and human

  • Where AI fits into the future of brand building and how Rexona | Sure are already tapping into it

CHAPTERS

00:00 Introduction

01:39 The Evolution of Sports Marketing at Rexona

04:22 Expanding into Female Sports Partnerships

07:47 Maximizing the Value of Global Sports Partnerships

10:48 How To Gain Value from Brand Ambassadors

17:45 Sports Marketing Strategies for Smaller Brands

20:51 Exploring Brand Advocacy Beyond Major Campaigns

22:07 Leveraging Cultural Moments for Brand Relevance

25:01 The Impact of AI on Brand Marketing

28:56 Quick Fire Round: Personal Insights and Fun Facts


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How SoulCycle Turned Riders Into a Cult Community (Director of Social Reveals) 28 Jan 202600:35:43

In this episode, we break down how SoulCycle built a community-powered content engine that keeps fans sharing, and showing up.


Our guest this week is McKinley Hart, Director of Social Media at SoulCycle who shares more around the brand’s social and community storytelling, how they turn riders, instructors, and studio culture into a constant flow of authentic content and brand advocacy.


We dig into the strategies, systems, and mindset that any brand, marketer, or creator can steal, even if you don’t have SoulCycle’s scale or resources.


In this episode, we cover:

  • How SoulCycle turned its community into a content engine (without making people feel “used”)

  • The creative strategies used at SoulCycle to maxmise brand advocacy on social

  • Turning instructors and front-line teams into on-the-ground storytellers

  • Building internal infrastructures that benefit the content loop

  • The difference between “posting about your brand” and “building your brand”

  • How to measure the impact of community-driven content beyond likes and views

  • Practical advice for brands that don’t currently have a passionate fanbase


CHAPTERS

00:00 Introduction to SoulCycle's Community

00:24 The Social Impact of SoulCycle

03:14 The Nomad Baddies: A Community Story

05:55 Creating Fans and Advocates

10:11 SoulCycle's Unique Social Media Strategy

12:05 The Future of Social Engagement

14:58 Balancing Real Life and Digital Presence

19:36 The Role of Employees in Brand Growth

22:40 Engagement and Commercial Results

25:34 Breaking Down Barriers to Participation

30:34 SoulCycle’s Community and Brand Advocacy


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The Hidden Reason Your Brand Is Failing on Social Media (ft Sean Cook)21 Jan 202600:38:26

Most brands are still using a 20th‑century playbook for a social‑first world and it’s damaging their marketing.

In this episode, we’re joined by Sean Cook, ex Global Senior Social Media Manager at Deliveroo, to unpack why the current “brand architecture” model is completely outdated for how social actually works today. Sean shares what he learned leading an in‑house social team at scale, where the system is failing brands, and what a modern brand architect needs to look like in 2026 and beyond.

We dig into how social fits inside the wider business, why brand books don’t translate to TikTok, Instagram or LinkedIn, and the structural changes leaders need to make if they want social to be more than just a content factory.


In this episode, we cover:

  • Current state of the digital marketing infrastructure

  • Introduction of brand and content architects

  • The role of CMO’s to enable best performance 

  • Duty of care towards social media teams

  • The balance between strategy & experiementaiton 

  • Why culture is key to fostering success on social media 

If you’re internal infrastructure is exhausting, overwhelming and no longer working. This episode is for you.


CHAPTERS

00:00 Introduction

01:07 The Role and Challenges of Social Media Teams

03:40 Building Effective Social Media Strategies

05:23 The Importance of Knowing Your Audience

13:30 Wellbeing and Duty of Care in Social Media

18:41 The Evolution of Social Media Teams

24:36 The Need for a Brand and Content Architect

31:12 The Role of Culture in Social Media

35:28 Empowering Social Media Teams

37:27 The Future of Social Media Strategy


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The TikTok Strategy That Built A Cult Following ft Daisy Kelly (Glow For It Founder)14 Jan 202600:39:08

Daisy Kelly made 6 figures in just 12 hours on TikTok shop without spending a penny on ads. In this episode, Daisy Kelly, the founder of Glow For It reveals why the era of traditional influencer marketing is dead and how to build a cult following that buys every product you launch.

If you're trying to build a brand on TikTok in 2026, the old playbook doesn't work. We sit down with Daisy to discuss the huge shift toward "Founder-Led" marketing and why your customers are your best advocates. We break down the exact strategy Glow For It used to turn followers into super fans and why you need to stop hiding behind your logo if you want to scale your DTC business.


In this episode, we cover:

  • The Power of TikTok for Business

  • Inside a Six-Figure Live

  • Effective DTC marketing strategies

  • Founder led marketing 

  • Building real community in 2026

If you’re looking to level up your TikTok strategy this year, this episode is for you!


CHAPTERS

00:00 Introduction and TikTok's Impact

00:55 Building a Brand from Scratch

01:46 Black Friday Preparations

04:11 The Power of TikTok for Business

08:28 Inside a Six-Figure Live

13:50 Marketing Strategies and Team Dynamics

18:01 Reflections and Lessons Learned

19:07 Navigating Business Advice and Trusting Your Gut

20:19 The Role of the Founder in Brand Building

22:03 The Impact of Live Presenters on Sales

25:31 Adapting to Potential Changes in Social Media Platforms

28:37 Engaging with Customers Through Community Events

37:33 Future Plans and Inspirations


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Influencer Marketing is Dead: Here is What Replaced It 07 Jan 202600:39:13

Is Influencer Marketing officially dead in 2026? The era of paying for posts and chasing reach is breaking down. Influence hasn’t disappeared, but it has shifted, out of platforms and into people. In this episode, we unpack why the traditional digital marketing playbook is no longer fit for purpose, and how leading brands are reorganising around Brand Advocacy activating customers, creators, and communities as a measurable growth engine, not a one-off tactic.

We discuss the huge shift from "buying attention" to "earning trust" and reveal the exact team roles you need to hire (and fire) to succeed in this new landscape. If you are a CMO or marketing leader still relying on 2024 tactics, you might be wasting your budget.

In this episode, we cover:

  • The "Death" of traditional influencer marketing

  • The current state of brand advocacy in 2026

  • Why your digital marketing team structure is failing you

  • How to pivot from paid reach to community led growth

  • Actionable steps to turn customers into your best marketers

Listen to the full conversation to future-proof your brand strategy.


CHAPTERS

00:00 Introduction to Brand Advocacy in 2026

00:46 Reflecting on 2025: The Rise of Advocacy

02:35 The Decline of Influencer Marketing

05:01 The Future of Marketing Teams

07:27 The Importance of Community Building

09:58 The Shift in Social Commerce

13:09 Unlearning Old Marketing Strategies

17:10 Effective Brand Advocacy Approaches

20:35 The Difference Between Paid Influencers and Earned Advocates

21:09 Top of Funnel vs. Bottom of Funnel Advocacy

22:04 The Importance of Culture and Commercial Creators

23:10 Brands Underutilizing Their Advocates

23:45 Understanding and Activating Advocates

26:22 Channel Strategies and Creator Engagement

29:12 The Role of CMOs in Advocacy

36:19 Building a System for Compounding Growth


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We’re Not In Social Anymore, We’re In A ‘Streaming Ecosystem’ in 2026 ft. Lindsey Gamble10 Dec 202500:21:23

Forget “posting to social.” 

According to Lindsey, we’re operating in a full-scale content ecosystem – one that’s streaming-first, storefront-powered, AI-disrupted, and driven by creators who’ve outgrown the feed.

Recorded live at the Brand Advocacy Summit: New York, this keynote from Lindsey Gamble (LinkedIn Top Voice & creator economy expert) is a rapid-fire download on what’s actually next in marketing.

From the collapse of old playbooks to the rise of creator storefronts, Substack strategy, and content that earns its way into DMs, this is Lindsey’s devotion-driving newsletter brought to life on stage.

Tap in to understand:

📉 Why Traditional Ad Spend Is Shrinking & What That Means for Brands.

📈 How Platforms Are Handing Creators (& Marketers) the Keys.

🧠 Why Personalisation, Niche Content & Human Insight Are the Future of Performance.

🖥️ Why YouTube Is Eating Netflix – and What It Means for Your Content Strategy.

📬 Why Substack Is the Underrated Channel for Influence & Conversion.

This isn’t theory. It’s strategy, backed by real shifts in attention, tech, and creator behaviour.

Turn this one up for the download on what’s really reshaping marketing in 2026.


Chapters

00:00 – Welcome to the Creator Economy IRL

01:00 – Why Creator Platforms Just Overtook Traditional Media

04:05 – Social-First Brands Are Now Creator-First by Default

05:00 – Everyone’s a Creator: Storefronts, Employees & CEOs

08:20 – YouTube Is Eating Netflix: What It Means for Marketers

11:55 – Substack & LinkedIn: The Next Channels for Influence

14:00 – From TikTok to TV, It’s The New Era of Creator Content

16:00 – AI, Algorithms & Why Personalization Wins Performance

18:20 – The Future Is Human: Why Connection Beats Content


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Why Amika & Beekman’s Million-Dollar Advantage Is Advocacy03 Dec 202500:34:07

What do you get when a kindness-led skincare founder & a community-first haircare CMO sit down together? An honest & instructive conversation on Brand Advocacy.

Live from the Brand Advocacy Summit: New York, Verity is joined by Dr. Brent Ridge (Co-Founder @ Beekman 1802) & Nilofer Vahora (Chief Marketing Officer @ Amika) to unpack how two very different beauty brands built lasting customer love – by making stylists, neighbours, and Advocates the centre of their businesses.

This isn’t about follower counts or funnel hacks. It’s a behind-the-scenes look at the values, trade-offs, and systems that turn brand belief into million-dollar growth. If you’ve ever struggled to scale connection without losing credibility, this conversation will help.

What You’ll Learn:

🏆 Why Being ‘The Favourite’ Brand Beats Being The Biggest

🎡 How Amika Built a Stylist-Led Flywheel That Drives Brand Love & Revenue

🏘️ The Power of ‘Neighbor Services’ (Not Customer Service)

🫶🏻 Why Community Systems Beat Viral Campaigns Every Time

⚙️ What Happens When You Make Kindness Your Operating System

Two brands. Zero holdbacks. All Advocacy.


Chapters

00:00 – Welcome to the Live Panel: What Advocacy Actually Looks Like

02:27 – The Origin Stories: Kindness, Friendship & Founding from the Margins

07:05 – When Community Becomes the Growth Plan

09:07 – Building Brand Language: “Hi Neighbor” & “I Love Amika”

11:02 – Operationalising Kindness & Loyalty

16:45 – Systems That Scale Love: Amika’s Flywheel & Beekman’s KQ Program

23:42 – From Stylists to Screens: Connecting IRL Community to Digital Growth

28:10 – Trusting the Community with the Brand (Even When It’s Hard)

32:55 – Learning in Public: Handling Missteps & Turning Them Into Advocacy

38:30 – Final Takeaways: Real Community, Real Trade-Offs, Real Growth


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Brand x Performance: The New Rules for Fashion & Beauty Growth ft. Ana Andjelic & Nathan Jun Poekert25 Nov 202500:41:17

It’s the buzzword combo every CMO wants to crack, but few actually have.

Recorded live at the Brand Advocacy Summit: New York, this chat dives deep into what it really means to blend culture & performance – with two of the sharpest minds in brand today.

Ana Andjelic (Global Chief Brand Officer @ Esprit) and Nathan Jun Poekert (Brand Strategist & CMO Advisor) bring radically different lenses to one big challenge: how do you grow a brand that actually means something and performs?

This is a no-fluff, all-strategy conversation.

Covering:

🧠 Why most marketing is stuck in reactive chaos

⭐️ What the best brands are doing differently

📊 The missing metric: cultural impact as a KPI (& how to track it across teams)

📉 Why influencer marketing fails when measured like performance media

🎯 The rise of the "social franchise”

🧩 How to structure teams that don’t kill creativity or speed in the name of metrics

If you're a brand, a marketer, or a leader trying to build for the next decade – not just the next quarter – then tune in.


Chapters

00:00 – Welcome to Culture x Performance (Live from NYC)

01:30 – Marketing in Chaos: What’s Really Going On

04:10 – The Story vs. The Dashboard

06:25 – Why Brand & Performance Still Don’t Work Together

08:00 – Measuring Cultural Impact: A New Index

10:15 – The Age Problem in Media Optimisation

14:30 – Forget Engagement Rates. Track This Instead.

20:40 – Virality, Creators & Brand Control

22:10 – The Social Franchise Model Explained

26:20 – Brand Safety vs. Subculture: The Trade-Off

31:45 – Why Paid & Organic Must Sit Together

36:35 – From Close Friends to Culture Clubs

39:15 – How Stanley Won Facebook Moms


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Red Flags In Marketing: The Low Down From The World’s Biggest Brands12 Nov 202500:40:05

TikTok’s not slowing down. Reddit’s rising. Creators are turning into strategists. And brands? They’re either adapting – or falling behind.

Recorded live in New York at the Brand Advocacy Summit, this special episode of Building Brand Advocacy throws six sharp minds into a game show-style debate (hosted by Verity) on what’s actually next in culture, social, and the creator economy.

From red flags to green flags, beige flags to bold predictions for the year ahead; this chat doesn’t hold back. 


Hear from:

— Madisen Theobald (Global Director of Social Creative @ M.A.C Cosmetics)

— McKinley Hart (Director of Social Media @ SoulCycle)

— Gabriel Gomez (Head of Social & Community @ MCoBeauty)

— James Denman (Brand Strategy & Marketing Expert)

— Brandon Smithwrick (Creator, Advisor & Content Strategist)

— Maksim Tokarev (Senior Social Media Manager @ Loop Earplugs)


For their hottest takes on why…

🧠 AI-generated UGC could get banned

🧵 Threads, Reddit & Broadcast Channels are in for discovery

📉 YouTube Shorts might not be worth the big bucks (yet)

🔑 Intimacy is the new influence & the DMs are where it’s happening

… and much more.


If your brand is still playing by the 2020 rulebook, stop. Listen. Learn.


Chapters:

00:00 – Kicking Off

01:22 – Hot Takes Begin: Predictions for 2026

07:34 – Brand Flags: Green, Red, or Beige?

23:03 – Watch, Wait, or Walk: What Brands Should Act On, Pause, or Ditch

35:25 – Social SEO & AI Content: Future-Proofing Your Brand

38:23 – AI Content Ethics: Where Brands Go Wrong

40:45 – Closing Out & Audience Questions


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“You’re Tracking Metrics, Not Listening” & It Shows ft. Jazmin Griffith01 Oct 202500:45:02

Most brands are looking at the wrong data. 

Worse still? You don’t know what to do with it.

This week, Verity sits down with Jazmin Griffith (Social Strategist, Content Creator, and Founder @ Social Listening Studio, queloque?). Jazmin pulls back the curtain on what real listening looks like today – and why it’s about far more than sentiment & mentions.

From decoding niche communities to spotting Reddit-born Super Bowl ideas, Jazmin reveals how brands can shift from ‘monitoring’ to meaningful intelligence. If you’ve ever asked, "what do we actually do with this data?", this chat delivers your answers, fast.


Listen to learn how to:

  • Use The 5 Cs to Guide Listening: Jazmin’s framework covers Content, Culture, Community, Creators, and Channels; and shows how to unlock insights across all of them.

  • Get Past Vanity Metrics: Surface-level engagement doesn’t tell the whole story. Hear how to uncover what’s really working.

  • Spot What Creators Aren’t Saying: Jazmin explains how the most valuable signals are often hidden in broadcast channels, DMs, Substacks, and Slack groups.

  • Build Listener-Led Briefs: Why reactive brands are losing, and what it takes to create culturally relevant, high-performing content today.

  • Think Beyond the Grid: Why Threads, Reddit, and even Substack might be the whitespace you’re overlooking – and how to know if it’s time to pivot your channel strategy.

This one’s sharp, strategic, and packed with takeaways.If you’re in social or strategy, do not skip it.


Chapters

00:00 – You Think You're Listening. You're Not.

02:04 – The Reddit Insight That Sparked a Super Bowl Ad

07:46 – Why Most Social Teams Still Get This Wrong

12:35 – The 5 Cs That Should Shape Every Strategy

18:00 – What Creators Know That Brands Miss

22:00 – Listener-Led Briefs > Brand-First Briefs

27:56 – Culture Is Not Your Playground

30:02 – Community Isn’t Comments

36:17 – Where Your Brand Should Actually Show Up

41:00 – 3 Signals Smart Marketers Are Already Tracking


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“All Marketing Is Brand + Performance” & Aerie Knows It ft. Luke Klein17 Sep 202500:37:33

What does a decade of building Brand Advocacy look like in practice?

Back in May, Paul sat down with Luke Klein (Senior Director of Marketing Strategy & Growth @ Aerie) to unpack one of fashion’s longest-running movements: #AerieREAL.

The campaign started in 2014 with a bold commitment: no more retouching. But it was more than a moment; it was a cultural stance. In the 10 years since, Aerie has evolved that stance into a living, breathing ‘brandformance’ strategy that continues to drive relevance & results.

Luke shares how Aerie stays intuitive to their customer (not just reactive), balances brand consistency with performance-first cultural agility, and designs a creator strategy that feels genuinely co-owned. 

If you’re looking for smart ways to evolve a brand, this episode is yours.

You’ll learn:

  • Why Brands Need a Mirror, Not a Magnet – Aerie doesn’t try to manufacture hype. They reflect real conversations their customers are already having; and that’s what earns trust.

  • The Bow Tie vs The Funnel – A customer journey model that actually reflects how people buy and Advocate today.

  • Why Brand Is Performance (& Vice Versa) – Luke shares why separating the two is outdated, and how Aerie uses one strategy to drive both impact and immediacy.

  • How Culture-Driven Content Fuels Strategy – From “Coastal Grandma” to subculture playbooks, Luke breaks down how Aerie turns social listening into scalable strategy.

  • Why Influencers Should Translate, Not Recite – Scripts are dead. Aerie’s creator strategy starts with values, then lets partners lead with their own voice.

  • The Underrated Power of Store Associates – When you empower employees to show up authentically, they become some of your best Advocates.

Whether you’re brand-side, agency-side, or founder-led – if you’re serious about scaling with Advocacy, this is one way to do it. 


Chapters:

00:00 – Why #AerieREAL Was Never Just a Campaign

02:50 – Evolving the Movement for Gen Z in 2025

08:45 – How Aerie Turns Listening Into Strategy

10:30 – From SEO to Trend Spotting: The Content Nucleus Model

13:00 – Subcultures, Micro-Trends & Translating the Brand

14:00 – Scripts Are Dead: Let Creators Lead With Values

21:00 – Why Brand and Performance Aren’t Separate Anymore

23:00 – The Bow Tie vs The Funnel (and What Actually Works)

26:00 – Segmenting Advocates Beyond Purchase Frequency

30:00 – Store Associates as Advocates: The Untapped Channel

34:00 – The Myth of Message Matching Across Touchpoints

36:30 – Letting the Customer Shape the Brand, Not Just Receive It


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Marketing Isn’t Boring, You Are: Inside The Comedy Content Engine That’s Breaking Social's Rules ft. Henry Hayes10 Sep 202500:45:34

Not Hot Take: Marketing shouldn’t feel like a meeting.

It should move you.

This week, Verity sits down with Henry Hayes – Head of Marketing @ Passionfruit and the comedic content machine reshaping how brands build attention, internally & externally.

Whether you know Henry from his LinkedIn comedy bits or his unconventional marketing strategies at Passionfruit, this conversation peels back the layers on what today’s brand teams really need to nail.

Think funny’s overdone, or simply isn’t for you? Think again.

Press play to hear:

  • Brand vs. Performance? That’s Old News: Henry shares why separating the two is a risk in 2025 and beyond – and what should be done differently.

  • Behind the ‘Comedy Content Machine’: From Stan parodies to ‘The Bear for Marketers’, Henry breaks down how he ideates – and why truth always trumps polish.

  • Why Passionfruit Doesn’t Spend on Ads: And what their founder said that changed everything.

  • How to Unlock Employee Creators: Why leadership’s job is to get out of the way, and let their teams build personal brands that fuel business growth.

  • D2C Brands, You’re Still Playing It Too Safe: Henry names names, shares what works, and dissects why brands still treat Instagram like a shop window.

This one’s part tactical teardown, part creative permission slip.

Listen in. Rethink the rulebook. And maybe… be funnier.


Chapters:

00:00 – From Creator to Head of Marketing

05:10 – Building Advocacy Internally

10:20 – Marketing at the Speed of Culture

14:40 – Why Passionfruit Doesn’t Spend on Ads

20:15 – D2C Brands Are Still Playing It Safe

25:55 – Let Employees Create (Then Get Out of the Way)

31:25 – Comedy Is a Marketing Tactic

42:35 – You Are Not the Customer


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How You Make Influencers & Affiliates Your Advocates (Not Just Your Megaphones) ft. Lowri Evans03 Sep 202500:40:47

Brand budgets? Tighter.

Expectations on creators? Higher.

Welcome to the new era of influencer marketing; where performance matters most, platforms are merging, and brands can’t afford to get it wrong.

Kicking off Season 3, Verity sits down with Lowri Evans – an influencer strategy expert with experience at VIEVE, Coco & Eve, Revive Collagen and more. Fresh from going freelance, Lowri breaks down the real rules of modern creator marketing;  from Spark Ads to affiliate programs, and why relationship-building still outperforms pay-to-play.

Turn this episode on & up to learn how to:

  • Merge Performance & Brand Marketing: It’s time to bin the silos. Lowri shares how results and relationships can (and should) work together.

  • Get Smart About Affiliate Programs: From ShopMy to real ROI, Lowri explains how the smartest brands are tracking impact without diluting brand.

  • Build Real Relationships with Creators: Forget transactional. Learn why taking milestones seriously might be your highest-converting move.

  • Use Spark Ads to Supercharge Results: TikTok content that converts? Spark it. Lowri walks through the what, why, and how.

  • Turn Customers Into Collaborators: From fans to featured creators, hear how VIEVE and others are turning everyday customers into stars.

If your brand still sends mass gifting with no follow-up, this is your wake-up call. 

Listen for the insight (& influencer receipts) you actually need.


Chapters

00:00 – Welcome to Season 3: Why This Episode Matters

04:00 – Inside the Evolution of Influencer 

07:00 – Relationship-First vs. Pay-to-Play

11:00 – Affiliate Strategy That Actually Drives Sales

15:00 – Spark Ads, TikTok Shop & Performance That Converts

20:00 – Why Brand & Performance Must Talk to Each Other

27:00 – Turning Customers Into Creators

34:00 – Building Real Community Through Real People

39:00 – The Problem With TikTok Shop (& How to Use It Right)

44:00 – Are Nano Creators Your Most Powerful Advocates?

49:00 – What Brands Still Get Wrong About Advocacy


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What Brands Can Learn From Charli XCX & Beyoncé (& Use It To Win) ft. Joel Marlinarson23 Jul 202500:27:34

Engineering joy > selling stuff.

It’s really that simple. 

(But how do you do it?)

This week, Verity sits down with Content Creator, Social Strategist, and ‘Coldest Creative’ Founder, Joel Marlinarson. Together, they unpack the intersection where fashion, food, music, and culture collide online – and what smart brands are doing about it.

Joel’s built a platform decoding brand moves for his audience (over on @coldestjoel), while building for brands behind the scenes. He shares what’s working, what’s next, and what most brands are missing entirely.


Turn this on & up to learn how to…

  • Brand Like a Musician: From Cowboy Carter to Brat, musicians are leading the experiential game. Joel breaks down why brands should start thinking more like them.

  • Win with Small Joys: The "little treat" moment is more than a trend. Discover how food, feeling, and brand identity fuse to create Advocacy-ready experiences.

  • Track What Actually Matters: Forget followers. Joel shares why repeat commenters and micro-engagements are the real signal of brand love.

  • Build In-Jokes & Icons: Learn how obscure memes, emoji signals, and recurring brand language can create loyalty (and drive people to comment).

  • Cast Wider: Gen Z doesn’t have to speak to Gen Z. From retail staff to over-50s creators, Joel shares how unexpected casting builds connection.

  • Use EGC The Right Way: From ethics to execution, this is how to make employee content fair, diverse, and seriously effective.

From Loewe’s tomato hot air balloons to finding your own “Juno” moment, this chat covers what makes culture tick – and how brands can keep up.


Chapters

00:00 – Why Music Marketing Works Better Than Brand Campaigns

06:00 – Brat. Cowboy Carter. Juno: What Brands Can Learn

08:00 – Food as Feel-Good Branding

10:00 – In-Jokes, Emojis & Repeat Commenters: Signals of True Community

14:00 – Is Sass Out? Why Ryanair’s TOV Might Be Tired

20:00 – Doing EGC Right (& Fair)

26:00 – Weird But Works: The Best Brand Collabs

30:00 – Silver Economy & The Power of Over-50s Influencers


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Why MCoBeauty Is Winning the Dupe Economy (& TikTok's Heart) ft. Gabriel Gomez16 Jul 202500:42:09

What do you get when you combine razor-sharp humour, social-first instincts, and a refusal to play by the rules?

An equal-parts entertaining, and practical, deep dive into brand building on social today.

This week, Verity sits down with Gabriel Gomez (Head of Social & Community @ MCoBeauty (US), Creator & Speaker) to explore how one of Australia’s most-followed beauty brands is winning the US market. Spoiler alert: it’s by moving fast, listening closely, and making the right kind of noise online.


Turn this episode on and up to learn how to:

  • Spot and Scale the Right Cultural Moments, Without 10 Approvals & a Deck: Gabe shares how MCoBeauty gets from idea to action in minutes, thanks to lean teams, shared instincts, and a refusal to overthink the feed.

  • Build Campaigns with Cross-Functional Input (Without Slowing Things Down): Gabe’s approach flips the usual script: involve people early, keep ideas fluid, and trust that great strategy can come from any level of the org.

  • Choose Creators Based on Connection, Not Clout: Whether it's scouting emerging talent or inviting creators into the concepting process, Gabe breaks down how MCoBeauty treats creators like consultants, not content machines.

  • Balance Viral Chaos with Brand Clarity (and Still Forget the Playbook): Social’s a sprint, but that doesn’t mean strategy gets lost. Learn how MCo blends brand consistency with bold, off-script moves that actually land.

  • Build a Fast-Moving, Emoji-Powered Social Culture that Thrives Under Pressure: From skipping the decks to celebrating team wins with emphasis, Gabe shows how to lead a social team that runs on energy and impact.

  • Decide What’s a Green Flag (and What’s a Giant Red One): In a rapid-fire game, Gabe shares exactly how he filters pitches, rates brand behaviour, and why he’s definitely deleting your “$50 and a lipstick” offer.

Plus: you’ll hear why TikTok is their #1 Advocacy driver, how Gabe spots red-flag creators, and the surprising platform he opens first every day.

His advice is fast, fresh, and unapologetically honest – just like the brands that win on social now.


Chapters

00:00 – Gabe Gomez & the MCoBeauty Mindset

03:00 – Why Dupes, Not Decks, Drive Beauty Culture Now

07:00 – Crashing Trends & Creating Chaos: Moving at the Speed of Social

12:00 – F*** the Playbook: Balancing Strategy with Spontaneity

17:00 – Creators as Consultants: Rethinking Influence & Partnerships

22:00 – The Green Flag / Red Flag Game: What Brands Get Wrong (and Right)

32:00 – Why TikTok’s Driving Advocacy, And Instagram Isn’t

36:00 – The Platform Breakdown: What’s Working, What’s Next

41:00 – How to Really Build Brand Advocacy (It’s Not a Coupon Code)


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How Surreal, Innocent & Great Copy Wins Brand Fans (Without Losing The Plot) ft. John Thornton09 Jul 202500:37:06

Can you build Brand Advocacy in punchlines?

John Thornton thinks so. Kind of.

Verity sits down with Surreal's Senior Creative (and ex-Innocent wordsmith) to break down how brand voice becomes a business asset, how humour fuels loyalty, and why you should definitely check your QR codes before a campaign launch.

This isn’t another chat about tone of voice. It’s a behind-the-scenes on…

The truth about "funny" copy that drives action.

What most brands misunderstand about distinctiveness.

The forgotten value of comments, not campaigns.

Why authenticity is less about saying the right thing, and more about knowing your place (and being flexible on your fonts).

John shares the good, the bad, and the copy & collaborations that helped Surreal drive major awareness. Innocent, too. 

Whether you’re a brand builder, copywriter or just here for the laughs, there’s no fluff; just real talk from someone who knows how to make cereal & smoothies go viral.


Turn it up to learn:


  • How to Create Copy that Converts, Sans-Corporate Feel: When the tone’s too polished, people scroll past. When it’s too offbeat, they don’t trust you. John shares how to strike the balance – writing copy that’s confident, irreverent, and still converts when it counts.

  • The One Test John Uses to Decide if a Risky Idea is Actually Risky: If you want to get bold work signed off, use John’s litmus test: “What would the Daily Mail headline be?” If it’s not scandal-worthy, it’s probably just brave. Let’s break down how to push boundaries without blowing up trust, or approval chains.

  • Why People Love Brands that Hire the “Idiot on Twitter”: It’s not about polish, it’s about presence. John explains why fast, scrappy, weirdly human replies build more loyalty than a year’s worth of branded templates. And why the best moments don’t need strategy decks; just someone funny with a login.

  • The Difference Between Going Viral and Building Something That Lasts: Viral posts spike and fade. Advocacy sticks around. Together, John & Verity unpack how to turn attention into affinity, using humour and product to build content people choose to share – long after the algorithm moves on.

Listen. Laugh a bit. Rethink your brand copy.


Chapters:

03:10 – Meet John Thornton

07:00 – Why Self-Awareness Beats Tone Guidelines

09:10 – Innocent’s Process (and Freedom to Fail)

11:00 – Writing to Stand Out, Not Just Be Funny

12:50 – A Star Wars CV & Other Power Moves

14:10 – The Best Campaigns Are Barely Planned

15:40 – Defending ‘Vanity’ Metrics

16:30 – The Baked Bean Smoothie ft. Heinz

18:50 – Fonts, Risk & The Daily Mail Test

22:20 – Why Surreal Hides Its Humans

29:50 – Product Posts That Actually Get Shared

31:50 – Advocacy Is a Long Game

36:00 – Turning a Fail Into a Fan Moment

39:00 – The LoveHoney Collab Explained


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Forget Followers, Find “10 People That Believe In Your Brand” To Build Real Brand Love (Like ASOS, Red Bull & REFY Do) ft. Sedge Beswick02 Jul 202500:40:23

Is your brand actually building Advocacy – or are you still buying influence?

This week, Verity’s joined by Sedge Beswick; humbly, one of the most sought-after voices in modern marketing. She’s the exited Founder of Seen Connects, Strategic Advisor to multiple brands, a Public Speaker, Mentor, and the original architect behind the ASOS social team.

From why the term ‘community’ is losing meaning, to what TikTok Shop strategies are still missing, Sedge offers a cutting breakdown of where brands get it wrong – and how to build smarter, bolder, more human-first influence strategies.


Expect insights marketers at every level need to hear, on…

  • How to Spot (and Support) Your First Advocates – It starts with 10 true believers. Here’s how to find them, involve them, and scale it.

  • Why Vanity Metrics Are Killing ROI: Brands still chase follower counts and forget to audit audience fit. Sedge explains the one data check every team should make before a partnership.

  • Creator Briefs Need an Overhaul: Trust and autonomy drive results. Learn what a great 2025 brief looks like, and how to adapt for different tiers of creators.

  • Performance Isn’t the Enemy of Brand: There’s a new era of collaboration on the cards, right now. Hear how smart teams are reconnecting the full marketing funnel.

  • From Run Clubs to Book Clubs: Why IRL community isn’t just a trend, it’s your moat. Sedge explains how brands like New Balance are turning participation into brand equity.

  • Inside REFY’s Influence Model: What makes their creator strategy so sticky? From co-founders to customer-led trips, Sedge unpacks the moves that matter.

It’s time to ditch short-term tactics and rethink what lasting brand love really looks like.


Chapters

00:00 – Bloopers, Blunders & Building a Career in Influence

05:40 – Why Influencer Marketing Fails (And How to Fix It)

10:00 – Followers Aren’t Community: What Some Brands Still Don’t Get

12:30 – Brand vs. Performance? Merge It.

15:15 – How ASOS Built a Creator System That Actually Worked

21:30 – The Data You’re Ignoring (TikTok Shop, Instagram & Beyond)

24:10 – Refy, Glossier & the Real Power of Customer-Led Growth

34:00 – New Balance & The Action Plan for Full-Funnel Advocacy


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How You Build Brands Gen Z Actually Care About, Straight From The Strategists25 Jun 202500:32:03

This is about more than Gen Z.

It’s about the way they’ve reshaped marketing for everyone.

This week, Paul chats with Lara Stallbaum (CEO & Founder @ Twirl) and Rosie Donoghue (Digital Marketing Manager @ Umberto Giannini) LIVE from London’s Brand Advocacy Summit to unpack:

✨ How to speak Gen Z’s language without losing your brand.

✨ Why performance marketing isn’t enough anymore.

✨ The surprising way Gen Z are reshaping product and brand loyalty.

And of course, the big one…

How to build Advocacy with Gen Z consumers who’ll actually stick around.


You’ll learn:

  • What Umberto Giannini Found – Taking their products straight to students’ Freshers roadshows became unexpected research labs & Advocacy engines.

  • Why Raw, Real Content (yes, even with pimple patches) Wins – Because when the vibe is honest, the message lands.

  • Why Your Top Fans Might Already Be Creators – They’re on your CRM, they’re opening your emails, and they’re ready to create. You just haven’t activated them yet.

  • When It’s Time To Rethink Brand Guidelines – Control doesn’t have to mean creative restriction, if you curate and brief smarter.

Gen Z don’t just want something different. They want something real.


This episode’s in kind partnership with Twirl; delivering scroll-stopping UGC for ads, sites, and socials, powered by a top-tier network of creators who know how to make brands shine.

Learn more about them about: https://www.usetwirl.com/

Download their ‘Gen Z UGC Playbook’ here: https://www.usetwirl.com/guides/the-gen-z-ugc-playbook 


Chapters 

00:00 - Why Gen Z Marketing Is Everyone’s Marketing Now 

04:00 - From Freshers Pop-ups to UGC Conversions 

07:20 - Brand Loyalty vs. Product Loyalty 

09:00 - How Connection Turns Customers Into Advocates 

15:10 - Brand Guidelines vs. Raw Authenticity 

20:00 - Building A Full Funnel UGC Strategy 

26:30 - Why Your Customers Might Already Be Your Best Creators


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YouTube Isn’t Social, It’s Search: Build A Channel That Wins Like JD Sports’ (With 0-500k Subscriber Credentials)18 Jun 202500:35:30

YouTube has been around for nearly two decades. 

So, why are most brands still so bad at it?

For this chat, Paul & Verity sit down with Chloe McCullough (YouTube Lead @ JD Sports & consultant to brands like SheerLuxe) to ask what building a real brand channel looks like.

From scrapping paid media to focusing on organic reach, from creator-first strategies to serialized formats that cut through; Chloe’s taken JD from a confused content mix to a media powerhouse. In this episode, LIVE from the Brand Advocacy Summit: London, she lays out exactly how she did it.


What you'll learn:

  • Why YouTube Isn’t A Social Channel – And how brands should treat it instead. Chloe explains how its long-form depth, search behaviours, and retention-led success mean it plays by totally different rules.

  • How JD Built Hit Series, Like ‘The Masked Rapper’, That Scaled Reach & Community – Replicating TV-style content can create cost-effective, bingeable formats that grow your channel.

  • Why Most YouTube Strategies Fail –  Hint: they’re borrowed from TikTok. Hear what marketers get wrong when they treat Shorts like other short-form, and ignore long-form fundamentals.

  • What Metrics Actually Matter – Learn how to read them like a strategist, so you can optimise your thumbnails, titles, and audience retention with clarity.

  • When Creators Are Worth The Budget – And what to do if yours isn’t huge.

  • Why Thumbnails, Titles & SEO Aren’t Afterthoughts – They are the strategy. See how Chloe tests & tweaks to unlock consistent growth, even before you’ve built an audience.

This episode isn’t about gaming the algorithm. It’s about building an audience that stays.


Chapters

00:00 – Why Brands Still Don’t Get YouTube

02:50 – What Makes a Brand Channel Actually Work

05:42 – YouTube SEO, Community & Creator Thinking

13:41 – Titles, Thumbnails & the 1% Rule

15:07 – Serialized Content: Why It Cuts Cost & Builds Audience

19:40 – Shorts Strategy & What Drives Real Growth

23:33 – Community Building & Sentiment Shifts at JD

26:40 – The 3 YouTube Metrics That Actually Matter


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Kurt Geiger Confirmed: The New Brand Currency Is Experience & Belonging, Not Buzz11 Jun 202500:34:46

What do pop-ups, playful giant handbags, and hyperlocal partnerships have in common?

They’re not stunts. They’re strategy.

Recorded LIVE at the Brand Advocacy Summit: London, this is the second of four exclusive episodes – straight from the stage.

Verity & Paul sit down with Pascale Montaner (VP of Global Marketing @ Kurt Geiger) and Louisa O’Connor (Managing Director @ Seen Presents) to dig into why the smartest brands are leaning hard into the experience-driven economy.

From transforming storefronts into storytelling tools, to building activations that speak louder than any ad ever could, this is the recipe for building real connection, loyalty, and long-term Advocacy.


What You’ll Learn:


  • Why We Crave IRL Connection & What Brands Must Do to Earn It: Digital fatigue is real. With 80% of Gen Z reporting loneliness, brands that build real-world spaces of belonging – not just spectacle – are winning attention and loyalty.

  • How Pop-Ups, Sensory Design & Surprise Drive Advocacy: From stained-glass storefronts to surprise bagel drops, today's most successful brand experiences engage all the senses (as per Louisa’s expert experience); and give people stories worth telling.

  • Why Customers, Not Celebrities, Are the New Influencers: Kurt Geiger's approach is clear – invite your true brand fans in. They're more trusted, more loyal, and often more impactful than the biggest names on your PR list.

  • How to Build Experiences That Translate Online (and Why That Matters): In a social-first world, IRL can feel like it matters most when it makes it to the feed. Learn how top brands are creating moments that live beyond the moment, without losing authenticity.

  • The One Mistake Most Brands Make With Experience: Spoiler: it’s trying to please everyone. The result? Experiences that resonate with no one. Find out how to focus your intent and create memory-making moments that actually move people.

This isn’t about trend-chasing. It’s about experience as the new foundation of brand strategy.


This episode comes to you in partnership with Seen Presents; a global agency creating culturally resonant brand experiences & experiential campaigns. Designed to deliver impact, innovation, and lasting brand fame.

Learn more about the magic they’re making here: https://www.seenpresents.com/ 


Chapters

00:00 – Why Brand Experience Is the Strategy Now

02:39 – Loneliness, Digital Overload & the Rise of IRL Belonging

04:59 – From Elitism to Inclusion: Democratising Brand Events

07:17 – Trust, TikTok & the Rise of the Authentic Ambassador

09:12 – Building Sensory-First Experiences That Convert

11:05 – Turning Retail Into Storytelling: Inside Kurt Geiger’s Flagship Strategy

15:04 – Pop-Ups, Scale & Global Adaptation on a Budget

18:45 – Using Social to Amplify (Not Replace) Experience

20:14 – How to Make Your Digital Brand Tangible

22:08 – The Biggest Mistake Brands Make With Experiences

23:43 – Why Local Beats Luxury: Cultural Relevance Over Budget

25:20 – Getting Buy-In: How to Prove the ROI of Experience

28:50 – What Brands Overlook When Designing for Emotion

30:17 – When Experience Goes Wrong (& What to Do About It)

31:46 – The Role of AI in Accessibility & Personalisation


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Here’s How You Actually Foster Community, Like Free Soul & Tropic Skincare05 Jun 202500:32:53

Harsh truth: everything you know about community is outdated.

Let’s get to the heart of a word marketers love to throw around, but rarely define.

This week, join us LIVE from the stage of the Brand Advocacy Summit: London — kicking off a four-part mini series from the day with a heavy hitter.

Verity sits down with Lucy Murray (Brand Director @ Free Soul), Emily Mitchell (Marketing Director @ Tropic Skincare), and Paul Hickey (Group Director @ SAMY Alliance), to unpack what brand love actually looks like in 2025.

Together, they cover:

  • The 3 Truths Behind Community: From off-the-grid connections to consumer-run spaces, find out what today’s best brands know.

  • Real Talk on Events, Activations & Intimacy: Smaller, meaningful events trump 400-person spectacles. You know this, so hear the real best practice for acting on it. When the time comes, scale doesn’t have to mean soulless, either.

  • What Listening Actually Looks Like: Learn how Tropic’s 20k-strong ambassador base & Free Soul’s biggest Advocates guide product and marketing decisions – no red tape needed.

  • Why Emotional Connection Still Wins: From Free Soul’s community-built retreats to grassroots wellness events (touching grass, wholly included), discover what keeps customers coming back.

  • Social Listening with a Human Lens: Hear how SAMY Alliance challenges traditional sentiment tracking with one goal; to get under the skin of what audiences really think.

This one is for any brand that wants to build community beyond a hashtag & follow back.

No fluff. No filter. Just what works.


This episode is in partnership with SAMY Alliance; a global network of creative and data-driven marketing agencies helping brands grow through cutting-edge insights, human connection, and digital innovation.

You can learn more about these good folk here: https://samy.com/en/ 


Chapters

00:00 – What Is Community in 2025, Really?

03:48 – Free Soul’s Ground-Up Community Strategy

06:01 – When Wellness Events Build Real Belonging

08:56 – How Tropic Skincare Co-Creates With Its Ambassadors

10:27 – Listening Without Red Tape (And Acting On It)

12:15 – Why Social Listening Needs a Human Lens

14:01 – Tropic’s Infinite Purpose (And How It Drives Loyalty)

16:04 – Building Emotional Connection at Scale

18:35 – The Tangible Impact of Products Like Free Soul’s

21:33 – Personalisation & Segmentation That Actually Resonates

22:50 – Accountability: The Ultimate Signal of Community

24:27 – When Customers Speak To Each Other

27:00 – Copied Community Strategy? Blinkers On.

28:55 – Authentic Customer Stories: The Real Advocacy Engine


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3 Ps, No BS: Start With People, Passion & Purpose To Build Like Legend-Status Beauty Brands Do ft. Coryn Brisbane28 May 202500:50:42

There’s no brand magic without brand meaning. 

The biggest names in beauty know this. 

This week, Verity sits down with Coryn Brisbane (Brand & Marketing Consultant | ex-VIEVE, Charlotte Tilbury, Flannels, Glossybox) to talk brand values, internal Advocacy, and what happens when beauty brands scale too fast, too superficially.

With a powerhouse CV and a fierce belief in brands that live their values, not just listing them, Coryn’s sharing unmissable insider advice from the industry’s front-lines.

She’s led product launches, like Pillow Talk Mascara and Airbrush Bronzer. She’s scaled brands from startup to sell-out. But her insights go deeper than shade names and social content. This is about embedding brand from the inside out; and protecting it (flexibly) at all costs.

Hit play to learn how to:

  • Challenge Surface-Level Values: Coryn breaks down how to tell if your brand pillars exist only on paper, or are actually embedded across the team.

  • Build Employee Advocacy That Lasts: From EGC to onboarding, Coryn shares why Charlotte Tilbury got it right – and how to recreate that magic.

  • Avoid the Short-Term Trap: See firsthand how chasing quick wins chips away at long-term trust (and what to do instead).

  • Reframe the Role of Brand Teams: Brand isn’t a nice-to-have; it’s the function that unifies every customer touchpoint. Ignore it now at your brand’s future peril.

  • Ask Better Questions, To Build Smarter Brands: The best marketers don’t just have answers – they ask the right questions. Start with “Why?”

If you’ve ever felt like your team’s running a hundred miles an hour without a clear direction, this one will hit home.

Listen. Challenge. Build Advocacy from the inside out.


Chapters:

00:00 – Why Team Advocacy Beats Surface Values  

02:22 – Building Strategy from Brand Pillars  

05:13 – What Brand Storytelling Should Really Do  

08:20 – Employee Advocacy: What It Looks Like (When It Works)  

11:31 – How Charlotte Tilbury Built Belief Internally  

13:35 – The Danger of Chasing Short-Term Wins  

15:15 – Staying True to Your Brand as You Grow  

18:35 – The Influencer Myth That Still Hurts Brands  

22:11 – How to Nurture Creators for the Long-Term  

27:10 – Why Brand Teams Are Not “Nice-to-Haves”  

31:20 – What Founders Get Wrong About Community  

36:45 – Defining Community (And If You Even Have One)  

39:10 – Turning Insight Into Product Innovation  

42:46 – Decipher: A Case Study in Customer-Led Branding  

45:08 – The Question Marketers Should Ask More Often  

48:30 – The Real Way You Build Brand Advocacy  


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From Nike’s Strategy To Bugaboo’s Cult Strollers, Here’s How You Win Hearts (& Markets) Like The Expert Who Did It aka. Jeanelle Teves15 May 202500:48:39

What happens when you build brand love from the ground up – and actually mean it?

You get an approach that’s part Nike discipline, part Bugaboo heart, and it works.

Dive into the tactical how of scaling a brand through hyper-local community building, influencer relationships that last years, and turning your customer service team into your brand’s secret weapon.

Paul sits down with Jeanelle Teves (Chief Commercial Officer @ Bugaboo | ex-Nike) to unpack the brand’s standout growth in North America, hearing exactly how they’re rewriting the rulebook for consumer-first marketing.

Jeanelle’s expertise in blending brand heritage, innovation & Advocacy offers a masterclass in what today’s fashion, beauty & lifestyle brands should be laser-focused on.


Turn this one up to learn how to...

  • Niche Down to Scale Up: Bugaboo’s local-first strategy is a sharp reminder that deeper beats wider. Jeanelle shares how focusing on key territories and growing real-world communities supercharges digital brand perception, and why brands spreading themselves too thin risk irrelevance. 

  • Build Advocacy That Outlasts Campaigns: From long-term creator relationships to micro-level community events, Jeanelle lays out why the future is loyalty over reach; and how Bugaboo turns everyday parents into lifelong Brand Advocates.

  • Mine Your Service Team for Gold: Forget surface-level insights. Bugaboo’s customer service team solves more than problems – they’re shaping product development, content strategy, and sales. Jeanelle explains how integrating service into marketing unlocks growth most brands miss.

  • Let Creators Lead, Their Way: Authenticity is more than a buzzword. Jeanelle breaks down Bugaboo’s philosophy of letting creators share stories their way – without rigid scripts – and how that trust translates into Advocacy that’s credible and contagious. 

This is a rare look at what it really takes to build brand equity in a crowded market – straight from a leader who’s done it at the top.

Listen. Note-take. Implement.


Chapters

00:00 How Engagement Builds Real Community

02:06 Brand Lessons from the School of Nike

05:40 Designing Products Around the Consumer

09:52 Customer Listening: Where The Insight Starts

11:43 Making DTC Work

12:12 Bridging Customer Service & Product Innovation

17:13 What Modern Parents Really Want

20:52 Why Awards Still Shape Consumer Trust

22:32 Turning Advocacy into a Marketing Engine

24:31 Driving Community Through Local Events

27:01 The Impact of Personal Connection

28:32 Building Your Personal Board of Directors

30:13 How Strong Relationships Drive Loyalty

32:37 Meeting Consumers Where They Scroll

35:05 Localisation that Scales

39:31 Double Down on Core Communities

45:04 Sustainability as a Non-Negotiable Brand Value


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Stop “Constantly Peddling Content” & Start Putting “Word-Of-Mouth Over Everything” ft. Leah Uka07 May 202500:42:33

Disruption isn’t a claim. It’s a commitment.

This week, Verity sits down with Leah Uka (Chief Brand Officer @ Jewells) who shares how to build a brand that actually does things differently. From Combat Medic to Founder to global Brand Leader, Leah’s path defies the expected – and so does her approach to brand-building.

Jewells is set to reframe the jewelry space by making every product personal, every store unforgettable, and every customer a potential Advocate. Leah’s insights are razor-sharp; cutting through the noise around content, community, and scale to deliver real lessons for fashion, beauty & retail marketers.

Dive in. Unpack how to:

  • Find Your First 10 Advocates & Grow from There: Leah explains why early believers are the backbone of any successful brand, and how to identify and nurture them from day one.

  • Create Products That Do More Than Look Good: Jewells’ Memory Stacks are designed to layer meaning and memory – not just metal. A product strategy built on emotion, beyond aesthetics.

  • Build an Omnichannel Experience That’s Worth Talking About: From scent to sound, Jewells’ in-store experience extends online – seamlessly. It’s about making every customer touchpoint memorable and Advocacy-ready.

  • Scale at Speed, Without Cutting Corners: The myth of "selling out in five minutes"? Leah calls it bad planning. She’s lifting the lid on "community events” that don’t translate to revenue, too. This is how to build systems that support real, sustainable growth.

If you’re tired of copycat tactics and looking for original thinking, this conversation’s for you.

Listen in. Rethink what disruption should look like, when it’s done right.


Chapters

00:00 The Real Power of Brand Advocacy

02:10 Retail Disruption: What’s Changing Fast

08:07 A Career Path Like No Other

12:03 How to Build Trust in Emerging Categories

18:15 Engaging Advocates Who Drive Growth

20:05 Crafting a Consistent Global Brand

21:43 Delivering a True Omni-Channel Experience

23:39 How to Scale & Scale Fast

24:23 Making Customer Experience Seamless

25:51 Why Team Engagement Is Non-Negotiable

29:26 When Employee Advocacy Pays Off

30:32 The Must-Know Steps for Global Scaling

32:53 The Brands Breaking New Ground

34:11 Authenticity vs. Content Overload: Striking the Balance

40:40 What’s Fueling Excitement for New Launches


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Why The Old Brand-Influencer Playbook Is Dying (& What You Can Do About It) ft. Gigi Robinson30 Apr 202500:41:43

Affiliate links? No thanks.

Pop-ups over panels? Think again.

A content creator using AI to replace herself? Now we’re listening.

Season 2 of Building Brand Advocacy is officially in-swing. 

This week, Verity’s in New York with Gigi Robinson – a Creator Expert, Social Specialist, Founder, Chronic Illness Advocate, and trusted partner to brands like Liquid IV, obé Fitness, and Stanford University (yes, really).

If you want a real-time pulse check on how creators are thinking (and how your brand should be collaborating) you won’t find a realer guide than Gigi.

The partnerships that worked in 2017? They don’t land in 2025. The best creators now expect co-creation, cross-platform collaboration, and a seat at the strategy table.

It’s time to ditch the playbook, and build something better.


Turn this episode on & up to learn how to…

  • Bin the Conversion-at-All-Costs Model: Gigi breaks down why affiliate deals often miss the mark, and how misaligned incentives turn creators into unpaid salespeople. Instead: hybrid models, consent-first structures, and a focus on value over volume.

  • Build with Creators, Not Just Through Them: The smartest brands are already collaborating before content hits the feed. When creators understand the “why,” they deliver work that moves people – not just products.

  • Rethink the Role of Real-Life: Pop-ups get attention. Panels and curated dinners create Advocates. Learn why deeper, more intentional offline moments are the real unlock for connection.

  • Use AI the Way Creators Actually Are: From replacing assistants to scaling content across five platforms from one idea, creators are using AI now. Marketers who embrace this shift can brief better, expect more, and move faster.

  • Understand the Creator Lifecycle: Micro, macro, mega – it’s not a straight line anymore. Learn what marketers are missing when creators ‘grow out’ of their lane, and how to evolve with them instead of cycling them out.


This isn’t about more than content. It’s about connection.

This conversation will challenge you, while giving you the steps to start again, smarter.

Listen. Rethink. Build better partnerships.


Chapters

00:00 – Finding What Authenticity Really Looks Like

07:05 – The Creator Economy Has Only Just Begun

13:04 – Why Affiliate Models Are Missing the Mark

18:56 – How Brand-Creator Relationships Are Evolving

25:10 – AI, Live Shopping & the Future of Content

32:06 – What Brands Still Get Wrong About Advocacy


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100 Episodes: The Unforgettable Bits, Lessons & Laughs From Building Brand Advocacy With You23 Apr 202500:33:10

What’s rarer than viral growth, and more powerful than performance marketing?

Sustained Advocacy.

It’s what the brands on this show have built, and what this 100th episode is here to celebrate.

To mark the special milestone, Paul & Verity are looking back on the unforgettable moments, tactics, and truths from 100 conversations with the sharpest minds in brand building – the CMOs, Founders, and community-first Marketers behind some of the world’s fastest-growing names.

This is more than a recap. It’s a look ahead to where marketing is heading next.

Hit play to learn how to…

  • Build With, Not For: Advocacy-first brands don’t sell at their audience – they co-create with them. From skincare brands embracing mixed-brand content to companies inviting creators into the strategy room, the path forward is participatory.

  • Scale Without Losing Soul: From The Inkey List’s £100M+ brand honesty to Beekman 1802’s gamified kindness, the most loved brands lead with how they do things, not just what they sell. Culture isn't the garnish. It's the growth engine.

  • Trade Vanity For Substance: Forget follower counts. Nanos & micros are winning: because they educate, convert, and care more. Real fans > rented reach. Brands like REFY, Never Fully Dressed, and Symprove are proving that depth leads to scale, when building trust.

  • Make Your Tactics Transparent: Today’s marketers are done with vague playbooks. The best ones don’t just share philosophy – they share the numbers. Budgets, CAC, conversion rates, channel tests. It’s what the industry needs; a space for open, actionable learning.

Whether you’ve listened to one episode or all 100, this one marks a turning point. 

Because the brands that will thrive in the next 10 years aren’t chasing trends. They’re building for Advocacy.

Press play. Learn from the best. Build what lasts.


Chapters

00:00 Kicking Off With A Vocal Warm-Up

01:10 What Brand Advocacy Really Means

02:26 Celebrating 100 Episodes of the Podcast

04:23 What 100 Episodes Taught Us

08:32 Why Tactical Marketing Matters

11:11 What Surprised Us 

15:27 What’s Next & Why Feedback Fuels It

16:31 Episodes Worth Repeating


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Why Perfect Brands Fail & Honest Ones Build Advocacy (Like Ethique) ft. Erica Cocilova16 Apr 202500:47:40

Why do polished brands stall, while real ones build Advocacy?

Because today’s consumers don’t want perfection. They want proof. 

This week, Erica Cocilova (Chief Executive Officer @ Ethique Beauty) joins Verity in New York to unpack why substance, imperfection, and product obsession are the future of brand building. From rebrands & B Corp audits to salon takeovers that win over skeptics, Erica’s approach proves brand trust isn’t bought – it’s built. 

Solid product, transparent leadership, and customer service that actually puts you in contact with the CEO? They’re the building blocks to scaling with integrity. 

Rethink what brand love looks like, as you learn…

  • How To Build Advocacy Through Service, Beyond Storytelling: Every customer DM, email, and piece of outreach gets a reply; and it’s personal. Real care builds real loyalty. It’s about accountability, not automation, when you build Advocacy this way.

  • Ways To Turn IRL Conversations Into Scalable Content: From salon takeovers to consumer-led debates on hair washing habits, Erica shares how small, real-world moments are fuelling content that converts – and creating better educated, enthusiastic Advocates in the process.

  • How To Audit Your Brand’s True Impact: Erica’s first move at Ethique was to strip back 20+ sustainability claims and anchor the brand to one: eliminating plastic. Learn how to run an impact audit that narrows focus, sharpens storytelling, and guides strategy.

  • Advice For Taking Bold, Human Decisions In Public: Erica and her team didn’t hide behind the rebrand, they fronted it. Blogs, open Slack huddles; even customer support tickets answered by the CFO. Transparency isn’t a ‘for the sake of it’ tactic for Ethique, but is part of the team’s culture.

  • Why Bridging Purpose & Product Should Be Seamless: Ethique’s haircare bars aren’t sustainable in spite of their format – they’re better because of it. Function & mission shouldn’t compete. They should compound.

This is what it sounds like when a brand listens, adapts, and leads without losing its soul.


Chapters

00:00 Turning Skeptics into Believers

03:30 Branding at the Crossroads of Sustainability & Efficacy

08:40 What It Takes to Become a B Corp

12:34 Staying Real with Brand Purpose

14:36 Building a Community That Advocates

18:42 Starting Real Conversations with Consumers

20:41 Why Inclusive Events Build Stronger Communities

23:39 Authentic Engagement Starts with Listening

24:36 How Brand Advocates Are Made

25:56 Why First Impressions Still Matter

27:12 Shifting the Consumer Mindset

28:34 What Legacy Brands Got Right

29:45 Direct-to-Consumer: What the Data Shows

32:52 Moving Past Fear to Innovate

36:14 Building Culture Through Transparency

37:26 Rebranding to Be Understood

39:36 Helping Consumers Choose Simply

41:53 Why Scalp Care Deserves the Spotlight

42:22 Getting the Brand Message Right

43:47 Advocacy Is Built on Connection


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Advocacy 101: How Founders Turn Creators, Customers & Employees Into Brand Champions 19 Mar 202500:15:29

The strongest brands aren’t built through ads. They’re built through people.

Welcome to a special Advocacy 101 episode, where five expert insights are remixed into one helpful guide. The time, it’s Founders’ takes on turning creators, customers, and those in your brand network into your most powerful brand champions.

Featuring lessons from Lucy Aylen (Founder @ Never Fully Dressed), Marielle Wyse (Founder & Director @ WYSE London), Haeni Kim (Founder & Creative Director @ KITRI), Lucy Toone (Founder @ TOMM Jewellery), and Francesca Kelly (Co-Founder @ Soru Jewellery), this episode breaks down how modern brands win by putting real people at the center of their marketing.

Tune in to learn why you should…

  • Make Customers Your Best Influencers: Before influencer marketing was an industry engine, Never Fully Dressed built a brand powered by everyday customers. Lucy shares why micro-influencers and engaged buyers drive more sustainable growth than big-name creators.

  • Understand That Not Every Founder Should Be the Face: WYSE London’s Marielle explains why pushing a founder into the spotlight doesn’t always work – and how brands can find the right voices to represent them.

  • Turn Negative Feedback Into Opportunities For Advocacy – KITRI’s Haeni reveals how handling complaints well can transform unhappy customers into loyal Advocates. Direct customer feedback always fuels better product development.

  • Go For ‘An Army of Ants Over a Queen Bee’: TOMM Jewellery’s Lucy shares why working with an engaged network of smaller Advocates often outperforms investing in one big creator.

  • Collaborate with Creators Who Truly Align: Francesca shares why the best partnerships start with a simple question: Does this person genuinely inspire us? Every one of Soru Jewellery’s collaborations hit this mark, or they don’t happen. 

Listen in. Take notes. Build real Advocacy.

Chapters 00:00 – The Power of Word of Mouth Marketing 02:09 – Building Brand Advocacy Through Community Engagement 04:53 – The Role of Founders in Brand Representation 07:29 – Turning Customer Feedback into Brand Advocacy 09:49 – Collaborating with Influencers: Quality Over Quantity

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On Lucy Toone’s LinkedIn

On Francesca’s LinkedIn

Catch their full episodes: 

Lucy Aylen on Creating Word-Of-Mouth Magic

Marielle on Turning Feedback To Fan-Led Advocacy

Haeni’s Formula For Fashion Community

Lucy Toone on Unexpected Growth Strategies

Francesca on Not Losing Brand DNA

Make Brand Content People Actually Want To Watch, According To A Creator ft. Miranda Shanahan12 Mar 202500:38:55

How do some brands thrive on social while others struggle to make an impact?

The best know they’re not just competing with other brands – they’re competing with viral creators, meme accounts, and even second-screens.

So, here’s your tactical framework for standing out in the never-ending scroll.

This week, Miranda Shanahan (Brand Consultant & Content Creator on @mirandadoesbrands) joins Verity to break down how brands can win attention, keep it, and convert it into lasting impact. With a career spent dissecting what makes content perform (and what makes it flop), Miranda offers tried & tested advice for short-form success.

By now, it’s clear – brands need to think like creators. The ones that do are building entertainment-first content worlds, owning trends instead of chasing them, and turning social engagement into real business results.

Turn this episode on and up to learn how to…

  • Ditch The ‘Viral’ Mentality & Build A Repeatable Content Engine: Going viral is not a strategy. Miranda explains why the brands that win are the ones who nail scalable, signature content formats – and why 90% of your content should be proven, with 10% for experimentation.

  • Stop Competing With Other Brands & Hold Your Own Against Creators: You’re up against influencers, memes, and multi-screen distractions (like YouTube or Netflix). Brands that only benchmark against competitors are already behind. Instead, Miranda shares how to create content that holds attention in a TikTok-first world.

  • Why Short-Form Must Deliver One or Both of These: Entertainment + Value = the key to short-form. Miranda breaks down the forumla to creating memorable, shareable content – and why the biggest mistake brands make is overcomplicating it.

  • Nail Your Hooks & Micro-Engagements: Most brands can get the first three seconds of content right, but lose attention soon after. Learn why the most effective short-form content is structured around multiple hooks – visual, verbal, and text – layered throughout to keep people engaged until the last second.

  • See Why The Future Is Social TV: From LuvJus’ dating show to Mela’s creator-led mini-series, brands are acting like content studios. The best part? You don’t need Netflix-level budgets to do it; only Miranda’s advice & some dedication.

Listen, learn, and start creating content people will actually want to watch.


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Chapters

00:00 – Why branding with personality is the only way to stand out

01:45 – Brand Advocacy 101: What the best get right

02:47 – Short-form content is the battleground for attention

06:56 – Legacy brands vs. disruptors: Who’s winning and why it matters

08:44 – The viral illusion: What actually drives brand growth

12:01 – Not every trend is worth your time, here’s how to decide

14:30 – How to craft scroll-stopping content that actually engages

18:08 – Founder-led content isn’t enough anymore

20:58 – Storytelling that sells: The balance of entertainment & value

24:02 – Going niche to go big: Why the smallest audiences build the biggest brands

26:01 – The social TV era: Why more brands are becoming broadcasters

27:59 – Creators and brands are uniting in new ways: Here’s how to do it right

30:58 – Frameworks that actually work (and scale) for brand content

35:00 – Most brands ignore these hidden growth tracks

Here’s How You Build An Entire Campaign From One Influencer Post ft. Keith Bendes05 Mar 202500:54:40

Most brands see influencer content as single posts, even when they’re part of long-term partnerships. 

The best brands see these posts as the start of entire campaigns.

Creators are more than marketing channels – they’re shaping culture, setting trends, and even launching products that outperform legacy brands.

This week, Paul welcomes Keith Bendes (Forbes Contributor, Creator Expert & VP of Strategy @ Linqia) to the podcast. Having spent years advising global brands, Keith knows the most impactful ratio of brand-to-creator content, why “unsexy” industries actually need creators the most, and how smart brands are using a mix of CGC (Customer-Generated Content) & paid media to scale trust at speed.

You’ll learn how to:

  • Go From One Post to Full-Funnel Impact: The strongest brands don’t solely run influencer campaigns – they integrate content from each one into every marketing touchpoint. The same creator content that wins on TikTok should be repurposed across paid, CTV, and even OOH.

  • Partner with Influencers Before They Compete with You: Creators are selling products, yes. They’re also launching their own. Nestlé’s Unwell Hydration with Alex Cooper proves how brands can get in on the action: collaborate now, or risk competing later. 

  • Know the Difference Between CGC, UGC & Influencers: “The people with the following are the ones who build the culture”, Keith says. While CGC (Creator-Generated Content) & UGC (User-Generated Content) fuel performance, influencers set the tone. Expect tactical advice for using all three.

  • The Future of Social Commerce & TikTok Shop: Affiliate strategies work, but don’t mix them with influencer campaigns. If you want creators to build brand equity, don’t turn them into salespeople.

  • What Brands Keep Getting Wrong: You can’t buy your way into relevance. The brands that win are the ones creating something people want to be part of.

Rethink how you’re working with creator content, before you fall behind.


Chapters

00:00 – Building Brand Culture for Advocacy

02:03 – How Influencer Marketing Has Evolved

04:07 – Winning Strategies for Brand Engagement

06:14 – Earning Trust in “Unsexy” Industries

09:06 – The Trust Factor in Content Creation

13:41 – Where Paid Media Meets Influencer Strategy

15:53 – Why Influencer Marketing Matters More Than Ever

17:21 – Leveraging User-Generated Content for Growth

20:06 – What’s Next for Content Creation?

23:05 – How Brands and Creators Build Together

31:54 – The Changing Advice for Marketing Campaigns

39:10 – The Future of Short-Form Video

42:35 – Mastering Affiliate Marketing for Growth

46:09 – Balancing Brand Equity with Sales Targets

51:06 – Community, Culture & the Future of Brand Advocacy


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