We are going to do something new here on the podcast. We are going to have a guest on for the first time, but right out the gate we are saying, they are coming back for a second episode cause we are not getting it all done this morning! Podcast fanatics will know her name, the crazy band of people who like hearing me talk (shoutout my mum) will know her from when I appeared on her podcast and some of you I guarantee will have read one of her papers or like one of her tweets duting her love hate relationship with that platform! Alex Lascu is, and these are her words; a skill acquisition amateur, Adjunct(get that dictionary out) at the University of Canberra and Learning and Capability specialist at WA Cricket. She exists in the gap between research and practice in sport coaching, in the hopes of one day bringing these worlds together. The reason I love talking to Alex and we exchange some random messages I promise you is she is a generalist, both in sport (15 different sports) and research (2 faculties, 8 topics).

 

All that said and done, welcome to what is the most unstructured episode of building better basketball in history!

Finishing off the Olympic theme we reached out to someone international who had a lot of interactions with all 3 Australian sides in Paris. Today we are joined by Ron Yeung of Basketball Canada. Ron has been heavily involved in the sport of basketball for over 10 years.Over this time, he has served in a number of important roles responsible for the strategic development and implementation of grassroots basketball in communities across Canada.Ron worked with the Toronto Raptors from 2000-2006, where he was responsible for the successful growth and operation of the Raptorball Youth Leagues and JR. NBA/WNBA. In 2007, he was commissioned by Canada Basketball to design and develop Steve Nash Youth Basketball (SNYB), a national youth development program aimed to grow the game at the grassroots level. Now Ron is the Head of Domestic & 3x3 Development.

COE Women's Assistant Coach Mel Downer took the coaches in attendance through an on court session focusing on defensive transition. A video recording of the session will be released later. Other oncourt sessions will be released over the next few weeks.

 

Mens COE Head Coach Robbie McKinlay recording of his oncourt session at the National Coaches Conference 2024 running through an efficient practice and drill session.

A video recording of the session will be released later. Other oncourt sessions will be released over the next few weeks.

 

Please enjoy the audio recording of the first oncourt session from the National Coaches conference and International Presenter Joerik Michiels.

 

Joerik Michiels – Founder, Elite Athletes Belgium

• Drills alone can’t mimic the complexity of the game
• The 7 types of constraints for practice – player limitations, space, scoring, tactical, defensive, tools, time
• Embrace the mess
• Don’t be a “PlayStation coach” – you can’t control every action or decision like a video game
• Managing your interventions as a coach – rewind, remind, demo, question

A video recording of the session will be released later. Other oncourt sessions will be released over the next few weeks.

 

 

You might know him better as one of the voices of the Talking Split podcast but at Basketball Australia he is our u17 Crocs coach as well as the preacher of the Master skill, the consumer of any and all Basketball content and one of the best chats for coaching in the Business. Enjoy this conversation with Neil and we look forward to seeing you at the National Coaches Conference or you jumping online to register for youth other upcoming Coach Development seminars, happy National Volunteers week!

Join Lauren Jackson as she goes one on one with only the second female coach in NBA History and WNBA Championship winning Coach Becky Hammon.

For more from the She Hoops Series make sure you are following their feed She Hoops on Apple Podcasts

Mike Thibault coached the Connecticut Sun and the Washington Mystics in the WNBA. In 2013, he became the WNBA's most successful all time coach with 212 victories. Lauren Jackson caught up with this ICON of the game to chat about his career, coaching philosophies and the sport he has dedicated his life to.

 

For more from the She Hoops Series make sure you are following their feed She Hoops on Apple Podcasts

Thie week Neil is joined by Jacqui Dover who brings with her a celebrated career and wealth of knowledge and experience in the referee space. Beginning at the grassroots level with Gold Coast Basketball she’s gone on to referee in the NBL1 (formerly QBL), WNBL and is currently the only on court female referee in the NBL.

Jacqui’s career has taken her around the world, notably spending 18 months in the United States at the NBA's referee development program. Along with this Dover recently officiated the Bronze Medal games at the Under 17-and 19-Women’s World Cup in Hungary and Spain respectively. As well as being part of the FIBA Women’s Asia Cup in Sydney.

Jacqui is determined to leverage her own experiences to encourage more people to take up refereeing as a valuable pathway within the sport and also offers a fascinating insight for coaches into the Officials mindset and process.

Usually, we would write a blurb here introducing Crystal Kaua. Crystal might be known to some of you as a coach that Codey Royle worked with in his Second Set of eyes book. She is a kiwi rugby coach but in this episode she covers so much that has nothing to do with rugby. Crystal has a very powerful coaching philosophy, a very strong sense of self as a female coach in a predominantly male sport and arguably the most though provoking answer to the Podcast question of what would you ask a coach. Enjoy.

Neil is joined by someone who fills a vital role in sport which is uncommon in Basketball currently but on the rise. A 3 time WNCL winning support staff member, a soon to be one time Sheffield Shield winning staff member hopefully, Emma Doherty is the player Development Manager for Cricket Tasmania and she is going to share with us some insight about her role and hopefully give you some ideas about areas we could investigate in basketball 

His twin brother has been on the pod before he left our BA team for the Apple Isle and the Jackjumpers and he was someone I have been trying to get for a while! Now he is full time with BA as our Executive GM - High Performance & National Teams I finally managed to get 3 x NBl champion, 2005 NBL MVP, 2 time Olympian and former Boomers captain Jason Smith on the podcast. Jason is someone who is a very big supporter of coaching and coach development and has played a big part in the increased access we have been able to share with you in the recent years with the national teams when they are in Australia

Some of you will know todays guest from her work on the Basketball court with the Geelong Supercats but we have her on today to talk about the amazing work she is doing off the court with Welcoming Australia. One of the key programs is Welcome to the Game, a program dedicated to support children and young people from refugee and migrant backgrounds who live with disabilities, autism and additional support needs to access and feel a sense of belonging in their local community sport settings, along with their families.

 

Kate Thomas- NCC Presentation https://youtu.be/v-4e5bPpp9Y?si=zzw5RI9aSBhISPjG 

Inclusion Graphic- https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/cvzg3as8t46vgduuv3fzp/Inclusion.png?rlkey=cjby1fds00vxh2tn9hfx18glq&st=ybixezgm&dl=0 

Welcoming Clubs - https://welcomingclubs.org.au/

Today is a bit of a special episode, Neil is joined by the 2023 Ford Aussie Hoops Coach of the year, Mackenzie Stewart from the Cockburn Cougars in Western Australia.

I’m just going to include the section from the nomination form that got Mackenzie the award, and then you will hear my chat with her and hopefully you are as impressed as I am by a young lady with a very bright future in coaching basketball if she wants it.

Mackenzie continues to focus on providing high quality programs that offer development of basketball skills, fundamentals and gameplay understanding for all junior skill levels. Meaning our programs meet both participation and performance needs for our community. She actively researches other sports introductory programs identifying new concepts, variety of coaching styles, different sporting contexts, training regiments, and social environments that may have a positive influence on our programs for our athletes. As Mackenzie continues her coaching pathway, she is invested in providing high quality leadership and mentoring to our developing coaches, ensuring opportunities for all and fosters a life-long support for the game. She is a harmoniously passionate coach, who ensures all participants experience happy emotions whenever she is involved in coaching the Aussie Hoops program. She has great satisfaction when she sees participants gradate from our Aussie Hoops programs into our Domestic Competition and other programs. As a dedicated volunteer, she aims to teach people how to play the game and compete. She recognizes there is a need to support other volunteers within our community with high quality, consistent, accessible coaching and upskilling. This is fundamental to the development of players, coaches, pathways in sport and of the game in Australia.

 

Neil is joined by Jarrod Moore, the Coach Development Manager from Basketball NSW. The discussion covers nurturing confidence, balancing development levels and the age old debate is there a difference between teaching and coaching!

In today's episode, we are thrilled to delve into the inspiring journey and expertise of Opal Sami Whitcomb, a dynamic force in the world of basketball. With an impressive career spanning both domestic and international arenas, Sami's unique insights, skillset, and dedication to the game make her a standout figure in the basketball community. Join us as we explore her experiences, insights, and the invaluable lessons she brings to the court, offering our listeners a wealth of knowledge for building better basketball skills and strategies.

Welcome back to season 4 of Building Better Basketball. Neil Gray Game Development Manager at Basketball Australia is joined by Tyrone Thwaites from the Cockburn Basketball Association in Western Australia. Cockburn are an association with 336 teams, the largest Aussie Hoops program in Australia for 2 years running and home to a Womens NBL1 Championship side and an NBL 1 Coach of the year who also happens to be their Chief executive Officer! No prizes for guessing that’s Tyrone!

Our first return guest on Building Better Basketball and he is back to talk about one of the biggest issue that coaches face, PARENTS!

He has a fantastic new book out called the Sports Parent Solution and in this episode he dives into the questions, the solutions and the experiences in that book across the vast spectrum of parent involvement in the game.

 

A must listen for any coach working with young athletes!

Todays guest is Mark Alabakov, the NBL1 Championship winning coach with the Bendigo Braves. Mark has also had significant involvement at the WNBL level with the Bendigo Spirit, Melbourne Boomers, Townsville Fire and the Sydney Uni Flames as they then were as well as an understanding of Basketball at the community level with Diamond Valley Basketball Association.

On this episode, we'll talk about the incredible season Mark and the Braves have just had and the secrets behind the championship success.

Todays guest is David Herbert, the Centre of Excellence Women’s Program Head Coach. David has over 25 years of experience within the Basketball Australia pathways having coached in the NBL1, WNBL, National Junior Championships and as a national team's Head Coach. David is the current head coach of the Ballarat Miners NBL1 women’s team. David has received numerous coaching accolades including WNBL Coach of the Year, Coach of the Year Victoria and Queensland and the SEABL coach of the year

Todays guest is Nick Cox, the Director of Academy at Manchester United. Nick Cox is renowned for his commitment to developing a holistic approach to youth development, focusing not just on technical skills, but also on character, education, and personal growth. His dedication to building a strong foundation for the future of Manchester United has earned him the respect and admiration of football enthusiasts worldwide.

Throughout his career, Nick has had the privilege of working with some of the brightest young talents in the game, shaping them into the stars of tomorrow. Under his guidance, Manchester United's youth teams have achieved remarkable success, with numerous players progressing to the first team and representing their countries at the highest level.

On this episode, we'll delve into the intricacies of talent development, the challenges faced by young players, and the importance of creating a nurturing environment for them to thrive.

Georgia Koopmans is a current NBL1 Player, a 3 time Vic Country representative and two time captain, the new Helping Hoops Charity Shootout Champion and one of the most passionate Junior Coaches you will hear! Neil and Georgia talk about her comeback from a significant knee injury, her history with Helping Hoops and her amazing record breaking performance and her coaching philosophy working with young kids in country Victoria. Georgia also pays it forward with a question for our very own David Herbert in the traditional podcast question!

 

Helping Hoops - Home - Helping Hoops

Neil is joined by the founder of Canberra’s only Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander focused Basketball Club the Winnunga Warriors. The club organises the NAIDOC Basketball Tournament as a way to create an awareness of NAIDOC week within the ACT Community and to also demonstrate how their club is committed to the motto of reconciliation in action.

The 2023 Tournament will be held from 7 - 9 July 2023 and due to the size of the competition will be held at multiple venues around the ACT. 

Neil and Dion talk about the journey of the club, the success of the tournament and the learnings it brings the players and the families away from the court. They also discuss the needs for the tournament this year and the vision moving forward. A great listen for the passion of volunteering in community Basketball and the importance of understanding Naidoc week and its significance in Australia.

 

Warriors Facebook Page

https://www.facebook.com/atsiwarriors.com.au

 

ABC Canberra footage of the 2022 NAIDOC Tournament

https://fb.watch/ehLFf-lZu1/

  

NBA player, Dyson Daniels, on playing with the Warriors

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cACnm15nACg

Welcome back to the new season of Building Better Basketball, the Basketball Australia Coaches Podcast. We took a little break for the Olympics but we are back and we needed to have a guest that was on the ground. We needed a guest with profile. A guest who like Madonna and Prince is known by just one name. We needed Junior! Junior is the Team Lead and Manager of the Boomers to give him his full title but his job actually covers much more than just those 3 words as we are about to find out. 

This weeks guest will be no stranger to you if you went and did the @asc Reflection Course last week. Lauren Robinson is coaching with @knoxbasketball at multiple levels including @nbl1 , @basketball_vic within the Wheelchair program and is leaving on Sunday in her role as manager with the @ausgliders  . On top of that for a young coach she has an incredible amount of knowledge from her own studies. This is a great episode for coaches of all levels to get an insight on reflection and the coaching journey! 

Link to Aus Sport Reflection course- How you improve | Australian Sports Commission (ausport.gov.au)

Link to etrainu resources https://basketballaustralia.etrainu.com/ 

Link to Mojo Coaching App Basketball Australia Community Coaches x MOJO = Game Changer | Basketball Australia Coaching Resource

We are recording this weeks podcast bang in the middle of National Volunteer Week (NVW) Australia’s largest annual celebration of volunteers. The theme for National Volunteer Week 2023 is The Change Makers, representing a celebration of our power to drive change and ensure volunteering is inclusive of all members of the Australian community and celebrate, thank and recognise the significant contribution of the 3 million sport volunteers. To have a chat about that Neil is joined by Scott Tutton. Scott is currently the Head of Clubs and Volunteers at Cricket Australia. Originally a Sydney boy he has spent time with the ACT Government, Clubs NSW and Netball Australia before spending the last decade in cricket across Cricket Victoria and Australia. The main reason Scott is here though is due to his role on the Sport Australia, Sport Volunteer Coalition, a panel made up of experts from the sports industry, government and volunteering, who will work together to transform the sport volunteer experience and promote the value of volunteering in sport. 

Lisa Alexander AM  coached the Australia national netball team from 2011 to 2020. Alexander coached the Diamonds for 102 test matches, becoming the most capped Australian coach of all time. She oversaw gold medal successes at the 2014 Commonwealth Games and 2015 Netball World Cup. As Australian coach Alexander won 83 of her 102 test matches, an impressive 81% winning record.

In this episode just sit back and listen to one of the best Australian coaches in any sport talk knowledgeably about mental health, success, player development, what she learned from Basketball and the deepest response to the "Ask the Coach" question we have ever had.

Ben was a determined but mediocre youth athlete and later a bench-warmer on his high school basketball and volleyball teams. But life got better when Ben gave up competitive sports. Most recently, he worked as co-chairman of Disney Media Networks and president of Disney ABC Television. Before that, he was president of ABC News and executive producer of Good Morning America. A bestselling author of four books, he is also an avid coach of his two boys in various sports. And that is where Ben's Australian story starts as the CEO of MOJO Sports. Mojo Sports are the newest partner of Basketball Australia and the creators of the exciting new Coach Development app free for all Basketball coaches in Australia. In the episode Neil and Ben run through all the amazing things the app can do to make a coaches life easier, improve the quality of practices, engage the players so in some cases they might want to practice more then play and help future coaches be volunteers instead of Voluntolds!

You can download the app here, MOJO Sports on the App Store (apple.com) . Remember to set your State or Territory as your main organisation (e.g. Basketball Victoria) so you can receive all the relevant coaching news! MOJO FAQ’s | Basketball Australia

Just a special solo quick shot with Neil to run through the amazing schedule for the Upcoming National Coaches Conference which you can read about and sign up for here Schedule Announced for National Coaches Conference | Basketball Australia Coaching Resource . Neil also teases a big announcement for Community Coaches next Tuesday at midday, keep your eyes peeled!

Todays guest has more stamps in her passport than anyone we have ever had on the podcast before as Basketball has taken her all over the world! Priyanka Karunakaran is the Head of Operations for the Rollers, Gliders, Spinners, Devils and all National 3x3 teams! If that wasn’t enough in a normal year she is also working with a focus to the Paris Comm Games in 2024! There are so many different ways Pri has involvement with coaches and also a unique perspective across all the different formats of the game!

Second to their players, Coaches probably have the most communication with referees on game days, rightly or wrongly! So we thought it was important to get an insight into how that communication works from a referee's perspective, the challenges they have on the floor, how they review and improve and the age old art of communication. Neil is joined by Caitlin Grove, Technical Officials Development Officer from Basketball NSW. Caitlin has been a ref since she was 14 years old and is a familiar face at recent Footlocker National Championships.

If there was one mental skill set you would want a basketball player to have young or old, Resilience would be high up there.  Neil is joined by Martin Heppell from the world famous Resilience Project to talk about all his learnings working with young people about resilience, his experience both as a professional athlete, a parent and now someone working in the mental health space and finally perhaps the most passionate selection of a coach you would want to ask a question too on record!

Bec Allen has been a fan favorite all around the world in the WNBL, WNBA and Euro Basket! With her defensive ability and Sharp shooting skills it’s easy to see why she is often one that catches a watching coaches eye for ideas on how they can get their players to come close to replicating her talents. Neil and Bec get stuck into her philosophy on shooting, the coach who said it was defense or bench and plenty of chat about the importance of whats going on between the ears!

This weeks guest needs no introduction to the Basketball public in Australia! Opals captain, WNBL champion, role model for basketball fans everywhere, Tess Madgen. We are going to touch on her amazing playing career which still has lots of time to had to her accolades but what some people might not be aware of is the power of work that Tess is doing on the other side of the sidelines as a coach with the Melbourne Boomers academy and her She Hoops Masterclasses with Madgen. Tess discusses the coaches that shaped her career coming through, the battles with her brothers and what that taught her and the importance of the captain-coach relationship.

Boomers Assistant Coach and San Antonio Spurs Assistant Coach Matthew Nielsen presented at the BALLIN Coaching clinic on offensive spacing.

Full Video available on Basketball Australia YouTube https://youtu.be/sHQyZwXP488

Covering off a wide range of topics from South Australia Country Basketball & Basketball New Zealand , Mel Downer joins Neil to talk her unique coaching journey, advice she gives to coaches she works with, her strong belief on balance & the future Opals player/coach in her own house!            

Fiona is a Sports Psychologist who has worked with numerous athletes, coaches, officials and parents across a large number of sports, at all levels from local level to international level. Providing support and information for sporting parents is a true passion for her. Helping parents to understand how to assist their sporting child reach their full potential and enjoy their sport is a key area of her work. This has lead to the creation of a series of resources with the NSW Office of Sport. Parents, Guardians and Carers | NSW Government

Neil and Fiona dive deep into the parent and coach relationship and hopefully share a few helpful ideas!

Todays guest will be no stranger to all of you and I’m sure you are all wondering why it has taken till now for him to make an appearance as his name is synonymous with Basketball Coach Development in Australia. Peter Lonergan is the Director of High Performance Coach Development for Basketball Australia.  Peter is an influential coach educator impacting coaching development around the world. He has been an Australian Opals Assistant Coach, a highly successful State Director of Coaching in Victoria and New South Wales, and an international clinician for FIBA. In the last year I have lost count of the number of clinics Pete has presented at or resources he has produced or Basketball tournaments he has attended

Trying to describe todays guest could take many turns as Leigh Ellis is known for many different reasons to the Australian Basketball community !.

You might know him from his work on NBA TV ? You might know him from the global podcast smash that is the Starters. You might just randomly have started following him on twitter as his shotting competition with Steph Curry, yes THE Steph Curry came across your timeline!

Before there was Ben Simmons, Dyson Daniels et al there was Leigh Ellis, arguably the Australian most well known to the American basketball general public! Now he has a new project, which anyone who loves basketball, will I’m sure as they put their head to the pillow at night, dream about, touring the world just playing pick up hoops and learning about the people and the game!

Follow Leigh on Instagram https://t.co/I70XXu94EE 

Follow Leigh on Youtube https://t.co/eVsiQzwSdH 

Follow Leigh on Twitter Leigh Ellis (@LeighEllis) / Twitter 

Support the International Pick up tour here https://t.co/jOBvb0en4r 

Neil is joined by Sydney Masters the Mental Skills coach at the Arizona Diamondbacks in Major League Baseball. Sydney has experience in Sports Psychology and cognitive performance! Suffice to say Sydney has a lot of experience seeing how athletes brains work when things are going well and probably most importantly when things aren’t! I can confidently predict this pod will leave coaches with plenty to think about and hope you enjoy this discussion! We will take a bit of a break now for Christmas and the New Year and be back in February for season 3!

Neil is joined by an Australian who has been part of one of the NBA’s biggest franchises and worked with Doc Rivers and Joel Embiid but not many of you will know her name! Carmen Colomer started off her working career with the AIS before moving into the world of Rugby with the Brumbies and the Brisbane Broncos. In 2021 she then got the opportunity of a lifetime to join the Philadelphia 76ers as the Director of Sports Science before returning home very recently to take up the position of the Head of Performance at the Perth Glory football club. 

 

Article discussed in episode Momentum in the Six Nations – is it real? - Rugby World

Lisa Middleton is one of Australia’s most experienced Sports Dietitians. With over 20 years spent advising some of the nation’s most elite athletes, Lisa has built expertise in reaching optimum levels of performance in sport. Lisa has an unparalleled history of working with teams at the top of their game. In her role as Sports Dietitian, Lisa has advised the Essendon, Hawthorn, Collingwood, Melbourne and St Kilda AFL Football clubs. Melbourne Vixens Netball, Melbourne Storm Rugby League, Melbourne Victory Football club and Melbourne United Basketball club.  Lisa currently consults to South East Melbourne Phoenix Basketball Club, Basketball Victoria, Collingwood AFL,AFLW Football club and Collingwood Magpies Netball.

Neil is joined by a coach who has gone from the top of Australia in Cairns right down to the bottom in Tasmania! Nic Martin is currently the State Head Coach and Development Manager at Basketball Tasmania. Nic is also just recently returned from Guam where he was one of the Assistant coaches of the Gold Medal winning U15 Australian Girls team!  Nic's coaching journey started with him shooting his shot in Townsville, a great message and journey for all young coaches!

Neil is joined by one of the most exciting players in the WNBL Steph Reid ! Steph played College basketball in the US for the University of Buffalo, picking up MVP honours and being part of their first ever NCAA tournament run! Back home in Australia she has played for the Dandenong Rangers/Southside Flyers and now with the Townsville Fire and made her Opals debut this year against Japan in Sydney! But Neil, I hear you ask Steph is a player, not a coach? Just wait! 

Darren Smith (CEO Basketball Australia Pathways) was a player himself which we will touch on but we have him on to talk about the US College pathway which is growing increasingly popular for Australian players looking to be able to gain further development of their skills, education and life experience. Darren has been through this experience himself as a player but most recently Darren has also been through it with his daughter Alanna as she secured a scholarship at Stanford University. 

Opals Assistant Coach and Townsville Fire Head Coach Shannon Seebohm presented at the BALLIN Coaching clinic on team defensive principles.

Full Video available on Basketball Australia YouTube https://youtu.be/sHQyZwXP488

Today is the crossover episode you have all been waiting for, the OG’s of the Australian podcast game, Talking Split from Basketball Victoria. We were lucky enough to have Jenni Screen on at the end of season 1 and now we get two more of the set! I’m really excited to have the Brains and Voices of that show in High Performance Coach for Basketball Victoria Country Women Zoe Carr (@ZoeCarr85 on twitter) and Rob Coulter, Coach Development Coordinator for Basketball Victoria @RobCoulter on twitter

Alex shares team and player development ideas for coaches, teams, federations, and organizations all around the world. Alex’s focus is on helping coaches stimulate their thinking by combining their personal and practical experiences with the empirical evidence which exists within the research world. Many of these evidence-informed coaching ideas that Alex shares are based upon the Constraint Led Approach (CLA) underpinned by Ecological Dynamics (EcoD). Alex specializes in helping coaches make sense of the research, putting this into basketball-specific examples so that coaches can immediately integrate these ideas into their practices. He consults for NBA, NCAA and professional teams, while also serving as Player Improvement Specialist for Paris Basketball in the EuroCup and Head Coach of College Prep in Borgomanero, Italy

Brent has an honours degree in Exercise Science, is a full time Exercise Physiologist and Strength and Conditioning coach. You might have seen Brents face on your tv’s and wondered who he was as he has roles with the Townsville Fire, Heat and Flames and the Australian Opals. Brent is the brother of Paul Goriss, one of the current assistants of the Australian Opals. We are really excited we have been able to grab a window in his busy schedule to pick his brain about creating and maintaining a body for basketball success!

Todays episode is a going to be a little bit different, a little bit more serious but you know as coaches sometime we have to deal with the tougher conversations and our guest today is going to help arm you with what you need to look out for and how you can best handle the situations in the event that something does happen to a player under your care.

 

Joining me today is Damien Morris, the Head of Integrity at Basketball Australia. Damien is no stranger to Basketball having held a role on the board at Knox Basketball for the last 5 years alongside roles with Tennis Australia and a 27 year career with the Vic Police.