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Bricks, Buck$ And Bytes

Bricks And Bytes, Patric Hellermann, Dustin Devan

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Industry leaders Patric Hellermann, Dustin Devan, Martin Piekarz & Owen Drury sit down each week to explore tech, news, and trends within the AEC sector. Each week we debate the macro economic issues within the industry and how they those working and building within AEC. Hot takes only.
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Construction Crash Coming - Our NEW Host, US Economy Contracts 0.3%, Trump Tariffs Hit Construction, Autodesk vs Procore Battle, AI, Biggest Construction Tech Failures

vendredi 2 mai 2025Duration 01:33:20

Is Construction Headed for a Slowdown, or a Full-Blown Crash?
This week on Bricks, Bucks & Bytes, things get spicy.

We dig into the 0.3% drop in US GDP—and why it might just be the beginning for the construction sector. But tariffs and rate hikes are only half the story. The real drama? AI hype cycles, Autodesk vs. Procore, and why most “AI for construction” startups are just faucets with no bathtub.


Inside this episode:

  • Why the US economy is wobbling—and how it's already hitting construction
  • The real reason projects are stalling (hint: it’s not just input costs)
  • The “bathtub vs. faucet” theory of AI—and how it exposes weak GTM strategies
  • Autodesk: overpriced legacy? Or sleeping giant ready to crush Procore?
  • The top 20 construction tech failures—modular startups dominate the list


Plus:

  • What BuildingConnected could have become (and why Autodesk isn’t using it)
  • Why not having pricing certainty is killing deals
  • The Katerra excuse that made everyone on the show wince


Key Quote:
"You're not solving the problem. You're just identifying the problem for someone else to win." - Dustin DeVan


If you’re in AEC and want to see the next wave coming before it hits... this one’s required listening.


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Chapters

00:00 Intro

01:35 Introduction and Welcome

02:43 US Economy Contraction and Recession Concerns

08:38 Impact of Tariffs on Construction Costs

13:37 Short-term vs Long-term Economic Perspectives

19:40 Global Supply Chain and Trade Dynamics

25:34 AI's Role in Construction and Economic Resilience

31:35 Business Strategies in a Volatile Market

38:25 Innovative Content Formats in AI and Supply Chains

40:06 The Role of AI in Construction Economics

42:57 AI as a Commodity: The Bathtub Metaphor

49:26 Disrupting the Authoring Space: Challenges and Opportunities

56:44 Investing in Autodesk: A Critical Analysis

01:11:11 Procore's Challenges and Market Dynamics

01:13:44 Marketing Strategies in Construction Tech

01:15:55 Potential Disruptors: Google and Microsoft

01:20:15 Mergers and Acquisitions in Construction Tech

01:21:47 Top Construction Tech Failures: A Game

01:27:00 Lessons from Construction Tech Failures

VCs Are NOT Always The Answer - Bootstrapping Benefits & Sustainable Growth from Funding Experts

vendredi 11 avril 2025Duration 43:19

"Venture capital in PropTech increased 82X from $200M to $15B in just 15 years - but is VC money right for construction tech founders right now?"

In today's episode of Bricks, Bucks and Bytes, we got to learn about J.P. Bowgen's journey from AlphaSites to Macy's corporate innovation team to becoming a partner at Camber Creek.

We got to learn about how Camber Creek de-risks investments by testing startups with their 300+ real estate and construction LP network before investing.

Also, we learned about J.P.'s hot take that PropTech and ConTech might not actually be mature enough for venture capital money right now - with only 1 in 4 companies spending more than 1% of revenue on digitization.

Tune in to find out about:

✅ How Camber Creek operates as an "outsourced R&D department" for real estate companies 

✅ Why construction tech is 5-7 years behind PropTech but might soon leapfrog it

✅ The shift in ConTech companies selling upstream to owners instead of just GCs

✅ The importance of personal brand building for VCs

Listen now on Spotify to hear the full conversation with J.P. Bowgen.

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Personal Updates

01:10 Journey into Venture Capital

05:30 Transition from Macy's to Camber Creek

14:51 Establishing a Presence in Europe

16:23 Camber Creek's Investment Thesis and Origins

18:29 The Digital Transformation of Real Estate

19:55 De-risking Investments through Strategic Engagement

21:21 The Role of Strategic Investors in Venture Capital

23:41 Navigating the Landscape of Venture Capital

26:26 The Importance of Media in Deal Flow

30:29 Building a Personal Brand in Venture Capital

33:41 Opportunistic Investing in PropTech and Construction Tech

37:30 The Shift in Technology Adoption in Construction

39:36 Debunking Misconceptions about Venture Capital

Why European Construction Tech Could Outperform US Startups: A 5X Cost Advantage Revealed

vendredi 7 février 2025Duration 33:46

In today's episode of Bricks, Bucks and Bytes, we learn about the story of an AEC start-up that raised $25M from a prestigious investor only to shut up shop shortly after announcing their round.

We got insights into late-stage funding challenges in construction tech, with a seasoned investor highlighting why businesses struggle to raise Series B rounds when earlier rounds were overvalued.

Also, we learned why Europe might offer better returns for construction tech investors than the US, despite the US potentially delivering bigger individual outcomes.

Tune in to find out about:

✅ Why listening to non-VC entrepreneurs is crucial for sustainable growth

✅ The mechanics of construction tech startup valuations across funding rounds

✅ How to navigate down rounds and recapitalization

✅ Why European construction tech startups have a 4-5x cost advantage

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Light Banter

01:49 Challenges in Construction Tech Funding

04:27 Strategies for Raising Capital

09:20 Profitability vs. Growth in Construction Tech

12:56 Late Stage Funding Trends

15:24 Avoiding Overvaluation in Funding Rounds

17:28 Valuation Mechanics in Funding Rounds

21:16 Equity Dynamics in Down Rounds

23:06 Anecdotes from the Industry

25:42 Reflections on Construction Tech Investing

29:25 Comparative Analysis: Europe vs. US in Construction Tech

33:00 Future of Point Solutions in Construction Tech

$32M Series B: How Stratus is Revolutionizing MEP Workflows

vendredi 31 janvier 2025Duration 44:32

"300 billion dollars for AI infrastructure in the next few years - but who will design and build it all?" - A thought-provoking insight from our latest conversation about the massive construction needs for AI's future.

In today's episode of Bricks, Bucks and Bytes, we learned about Stratus raising $32M Series B to revolutionize MEP contractors' digital workflows.

We explored how tech giants Microsoft, Amazon, and Google are planning to spend $300B on AI infrastructure construction, creating massive opportunities in the data center space.

Through Patric Hellermann's investor lens, we discovered why focusing on core infrastructure and authoring tools might be smarter than chasing AI-first solutions.

Tune in to find out about:

✅ How Stratus is transforming MEP contractor workflows from design to fabrication

✅ The emerging opportunities in data center construction and infrastructure

✅ Why owning authoring tools beats single-point AI features

✅ The strategic advantage of avoiding overcrowded AI-first solutions

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Stratus and AI in Construction

05:44 Understanding Stratus: MEP Workflows and Digital Solutions

11:21 The Role of AI in Design and Construction

17:00 The Future of Engineering: Human Touch vs. AI

24:01 Emerging Companies and Innovations in Construction Tech

24:35 Automation in Engineering Workflows

25:50 Massive Investments in AI Infrastructure

27:52 Emerging Startups in AI Data Centers

31:40 The Role of AI in Construction

35:00 Navigating the AI Gold Rush

37:33 The Inefficiency of Venture Capital Allocation

First Principles & Founder Success: Lessons from Scott Wolf's Levelset Journey

vendredi 24 janvier 2025Duration 32:41

"20 years of experience or 1 year repeated 20 times?" - This profound question from Scott Wolfe (Levelset) captures why some founders achieve extraordinary success while others stay stagnant.

In today's episode of Bricks, Bucks and Bytes, we explored how compound experience and non-linear career paths shape successful founders in construction tech.

Tune in to learn about: 

✅ How Scott Wolfe's diverse background (software, retail, law) led to Levelset's success

✅ Why non-linear experiences often lead to breakthrough innovations

✅ The truth about choosing the right capital structure for your business

✅ Why your customer should be your best source of capital

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Context Setting

01:08 Scott Wolf's Impactful Insights

02:15 The Concept of Compound Experience

04:17 Nonlinear vs. Linear Experiences

10:38 The Importance of Curiosity

12:20 Applying Compounded Knowledge

16:33 The Role of Blogging in Business Growth

25:50 Choosing the Right Capitalization Method

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The Truth About 3D Printed Homes: A Deep Dive Into ICON's $450M Technology

vendredi 17 janvier 2025Duration 50:12

Is 3D printing concrete homes worth the $450M investment?

In today's episode of Bricks, Bucks and Bytes, we got to learn that despite being a $2B company, ICON's 3D printed homes only show a tiny 0.5% carbon advantage over regular timber construction.

We also explored why Q4 2024 was special for construction tech - it grabbed nearly 1% of all VC funding, the second-highest share ever. Even more impressive given that 2024 saw the lowest overall VC funding since 2014.

The most striking insight came from questioning the basics - why use concrete, a material best for large-scale projects, to print single-family homes?

Tune in to find out about:

✅ What's driving Asia-Pacific's growing lead in construction tech funding

✅ Why 3D printed concrete homes struggle in wet climates

✅ Which parts of construction tech are actually getting funded

✅ How early-stage funding stayed strong while growth rounds dropped

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Technical Glitches

01:03 Recent News: ICON's Layoffs and Valuation

02:49 Exploring 3D Concrete Printing Technology

05:49 Sustainability Concerns in Concrete Printing

08:59 Comparative Analysis: Concrete vs. Timber Homes

12:04 Challenges in 3D Concrete Printing

14:56 Automation and Efficiency in Home Construction

18:09 Future of 3D Concrete Printing Technology

21:54 Challenges in 3D Concrete Printing

22:56 Market Fit for 3D Concrete Homes

24:04 Impact of Staff Reductions on Valuation

25:47 Understanding Company Valuations and Experiments

27:07 Applications of 3D Printing in Housing

29:02 First Principles of Cost in Construction

30:58 Trends in AEC Tech Funding

39:10 Market Dynamics and Future Predictions

Building a €450M Construction Tech Giant: How Philip Schröder's Marketing Built Germany's Latest Energy Tech Giant

vendredi 10 janvier 2025Duration 59:10

"Your margin is my opportunity... unless you're selling outcomes in construction tech!"

In today's episode of Bricks, Bucks and Bytes, we explored 1KOMMA5°'s impressive €150M pre-IPO round and their unique approach of acquiring 30+ companies since 2021 to scale their energy tech business.

We also learned about an intriguing debate around whether companies can call themselves "market leaders" in Germany, sparked by a court case between 1KOMMA5° and their competitor.

The most fascinating insight came from Patric's take on fixed vs. variable costs in construction tech: Companies that produce with fixed costs but sell outcomes (variable costs) have a unique opportunity to build generational businesses in construction - but this window might only last 10 years.

Tune in to learn about:

✅ Why 1KOMMA5°'s founder Philip Schröder's marketing genius is their secret sauce

✅ How selling outcomes beats traditional SaaS pricing in construction

✅ Why converting variable costs to fixed costs through automation is game-changing

✅ An innovative structural engineering firm reducing design time by 90%


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Chapters

00:00 Intro

01:56 Diving into One Comma Five

06:01 Understanding the Solar PV Market

11:59 Investment Insights and Market Valuation

18:03 The Role of Technology in Energy Solutions

24:02 Marketing Strategies and Competitive Landscape

30:12 Future Challenges and Business Models

31:07 The Evolution of Energy Training

32:29 Understanding Fixed vs. Variable Costs

37:38 The Impact of SaaS on Construction

43:34 Exploring IPOs and Market Trends

49:45 Emerging Trends in Construction Technology Sales

Building a $1.6B Construction Tech Company in Australia - Lessons on Distribution vs Product

vendredi 20 décembre 2024Duration 01:01:50

"The construction tech founders obsess over product, but distribution might matter more."

In today's episode, we discussed about VisiBuild securing a $6.6M round from Skip Capital to improve construction quality checks - going beyond just turning paper into apps.

We also discovered why Australian construction tech punches above its weight, with just two companies (Aconex and Safety Culture) putting the country third globally in unicorns.

Most valuable was Shubhankar's take on why typical SaaS metrics might not tell the whole story in construction tech's early stages.

Tune in to learn:

✅ Why the "build it and they will come" approach fails in construction

✅ How Australian founders turn their small market size into a global advantage

✅ What makes construction tech distribution different from regular SaaS

✅ Why community building matters as much as features

Listen to the full episode on Spotify to hear practical insights for anyone building or investing in construction tech.

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Chapters

00:00 The Importance of Distribution in AEC Tech

03:05 Execution Moat: The Key to Success

05:59 Navigating Distribution Challenges in Construction Tech

09:08 Market Dynamics: Distribution Strategies for Different ARR Levels

12:04 Global Perspectives: Indian Founders Targeting the US Market

14:49 Comparative Approaches: US vs. Indian Founders in Distribution

18:08 Community Building: A Strategy for Distribution Success

21:00 The State of SaaS in Indian Construction Tech

24:12 VisiBuild: A Case Study in Construction Tech Investment

33:14 Exploring Visibild's Impact in Construction Tech

36:09 The Evolution of Quality Checks in Construction

40:05 Unicorns in Construction Tech: Australia’s Rising Stars

42:58 The Unique Landscape of Australian Startups

47:59 Challenges and Opportunities for Australian Founders

52:57 Assessing Product-Market Fit in Construction Tech

What We Learned After a Year of Talking to Construction Tech's Biggest Names

vendredi 13 décembre 2024Duration 01:00:40

"Follow the money to grow, follow your passion to build. While US construction tech startups have raised $30B, India's $1B investment is yielding better returns."

In today's episode of Bricks & Bytes, we did our November Monthly Review where we reflected on an action-packed month of content creation and exciting future plans.

We even explored fascinating market dynamics, founder insights, and geographic opportunities in construction tech.

Tune in to find out about:

✅ Our successful launch of the AI in Construction Report and first steps into monetization

✅ Highlights from our Boston trip interviewing startups at Suffolk's boost cohort

✅ Behind the scenes of the upcoming Ediphi super series releasing in January

✅ Plans for New York and San Francisco tour in 2025, plus a potential India expansion

Listen to the full episode on Spotify to hear Owen, Martin, and Patric discuss their key takeaways from November, upcoming content plans, and Patric’s take on why founders often over-obsess with product and under-obsess with distribution.

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Chapters

00:00 End of Year Reflections

03:01 Cultural Differences in Business Mindset

05:50 The Impact of Travel on Business

08:47 Exploring AI in Construction

12:11 The Role of Community in Innovation

14:55 Challenges in Design and Construction Software

17:52 The Disconnect Between Traditional and Startup Worlds

21:00 The Influence of Trust in Business Relationships

24:07 Venture Capitalists in Government

26:59 The Future of Governance and Innovation

32:48 Understanding Argentina's Political Landscape

35:09 The Importance of Product Distribution

40:40 Marketing Challenges in Construction Tech

43:47 Trends in AEC Technology

44:29 Talent Acquisition in the AEC Sector

46:03 Investment Trends in Construction Tech

50:34 Cultural Insights: Christmas Traditions

57:33 Closing Thoughts and Future Plans

Retrofitting Yellow Machines: The $250,000 Labor Cost Savings in Construction

vendredi 6 décembre 2024Duration 55:23

Are robots taking over construction sites? The future of "yellow machines" might surprise you.

In today's episode of Bricks, Bucks and Bytes, we got to learn about Teleo, a startup retrofitting heavy machinery for remote operation and semi-autonomous functionality.

We also explored the intriguing case of ServiceTitan's IPO plans, shedding light on the complex dynamics of venture capital and founder equity.

Additionally, we delved into the challenges and opportunities in automating construction equipment across various environments.

Tune in to find out about:

✅ The battle between full autonomy and teleoperation in construction robotics

✅ Why retrofitting existing machinery could be a game-changer

✅ How controlled vs. uncontrolled environments impact automation adoption

✅ The potential pitfalls of aggressive venture funding for founders

Listen now on Spotify to stay ahead of the curve in construction tech innovation.

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Chapters

00:00 Exploring the Robotics Space

03:02 Teleoperation vs. Full Autonomy

05:58 Applications in High-Risk Environments

08:55 Market Dynamics and Venture Backability

12:03 OEMs vs. Startups in Innovation

14:59 The Future of Autonomous Machinery

17:54 Service Titan's Path to IPO

31:09 The Russian Roulette of Venture Capital

34:41 Conflicts of Interest in Business Decisions

39:12 The Cost of Venture Capital

41:51 Understanding IPOs and Profitability

44:04 Economic Predictions and Their Implications

52:57 The State of Construction Technology in Europe


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