It's #38 in our countdown, S3 EP4 The Last Waltz, and my face hurts from smiling and laughing because our returning and fan-fave special guest is our beloved casting director and friend Patrick Rush. In addition to casting The OC, Patrick cast, Everwood, Supernatural, Dawson’s Creek, Chuck, Runaways and so many more! If you haven’t heard, I suggest you listen to Patrick’s 2 other appearances on Welcome To The OC Bitches; The Model Home S1EP2 and The Way We Were S2EP2. You never know what will come out of his mouth! He’s hilarious and so entertaining. Welcome back Patrick! Follow @themelindaclarke and @cgmir on Instagram. Stay tuned to Reddit r/theOC, the Beyond the OC YouTube channel and Melinda and CG's Instagrams for our upcoming deep dives so your questions can be answered on the show. Rhone - head to https://www.rhone.com/OC and use promo code OC to save 20% off your entire order Blissy - visit https://www.blissy.com/ocpod to get 30% off Navage - visit https://navage.com/beyond and use code BEYOND to order The Navage Starter Pack Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

"Today, CG and Melinda excited to welcome Amanda Righetti, for a Beyond The OC interview. Our talented friend got her start as Kiki’s lil trouble making sis, Hailey Nichol, and went on to shows like The Mentalist, Reunion, Colony. She’s also made her mark in films like Friday the 13th and Far Heaven. Her new movie Reagan is in theaters now. She plays Ronald Reagan’s mother, Nelle. Join us as we dive into her journey, the lessons she's learned, and the stories behind some of her most memorable roles. And what we think Hailey would have done on The OC if she hadnt gone off to Japan-Or was it The North Shore? Please welcome Amanda Righetti!" Follow @themelindaclarke and @cgmir on Instagram. Stay tuned to Reddit r/theOC, the Beyond the OC YouTube channel and Melinda and CG's Instagrams for our upcoming deep dives so your questions can be answered on the show. Rhone - head to https://www.rhone.com/OC and use promo code OC to save 20% off your entire order Navage - visit https://navage.com/beyond and use code BEYOND to order The Navage Starter Pack HelloFresh - visit https://www.hellofresh.com/beyondkids to get free kid's meals! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Greetings OC earthlings! Prepare for an intergalactic saga in "The Earth Girls Are Easy" as Ryan whisks Taylor away to the neon planet that is Las Vegas, igniting chaos when Summer suspects a miniature human among them, all while they pursue my fellow Aliens in an area 51 rave. Meanwhile, in the earthly realm of Newport, Julie's covert matchmaking collides with the arrival of the mysterious creature called Frank Perry. Don't miss this one! Follow @themelindaclarke and @cgmir on Instagram. Stay tuned to Reddit r/theOC, the Beyond the OC YouTube channel and Melinda and CG's Instagrams for our upcoming deep dives so your questions can be answered on the show. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mischa Barton joins Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke in a special bonus episode of Welcome to the OC, Bitches!  The ladies breaks down the top Marissa Cooper moments and of course talk Marissa’s iconic fashion choices.  Plus, Mischa answers several fan questions!  You can check Mischa out in her next film project, Invitation to a Murder, coming soon.  You can leave a message for the OC Bitches at https://www.speakpipe.com/ocbitches or email them to welcometotheocb@gmail.com Head over to Kast Plus to get more bonus content from this episode with Mischa Barton  and the Michael Cassidy’s episode plus Season 1 through Season 2 of The O.C.   Go to https://www.kastmedia.com/kastplus for more details. Thanks, Kast Plus subscribers for being an honorary bitch!  Please support our sponsors: Living Proof understands that there’s no ‘one-size-fits-all’ solution for all hair types and textures. That’s why they develop game-changing formulations that are tailored to individual concerns including frizz, lack of volume, and lack of curl definition.   Visit https://www.livingproof.com/THEOC and use code THEOC to get ten percent off your first purchase.  Daily Harvest delivers delicious Harvest Bowls, Soups, Flatbreads, Snacks, Smoothies, Lattes and more, built on organic fruits + vegetables.  If eating well is a goal for 2023, let Daily Harvest support you on the journey. Go to https://www.dailyharvest.com/theoc to get up to forty dollars off your first box.  Follow @rachelbilson, @themelindaclarke and @mischabarton on Instagram.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Fan favorite Michael Cassidy returns to the pool house with Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke to break-down the heartbreaking Season 3 Episode 25 finale, “The Graduates” The three go into great detail about the episode and discuss how they are still traumatized by this episode and how hard it was too rewatch.  Michael gives the girls a shout-out on their performances in this episode.  They also discuss Dawn’s  pronunciation of Kirsten’s name, and a possible connection between The Handmaid's Tale and The OC.     The Graduates Synopsis:  It’s graduation day for the core four, Ryan’s mom arrives to celebrate, Seth deals with the ramifications of his past actions, Summer wishes they could all stay together in Newport and Marissa announces that she is leaving to be with her dad instead of going to Berkeley.   Please tune into next week for a special bonus episode, as the ladies bid a fond farewell to the iconic character, “Marissa Cooper” with a special guest.  …And head over to https://www.kastmedia.com/kastplus to access bonus content from this episode with Michael Cassidy. Leave a message for the OC bitches:  https://www.speakpipe.com/ocbitches  Please support our sponsors:  Rocket Money, formerly known as Truebill, is a personal finance app that finds and cancels your unwanted subscriptions, monitors your spending, and helps you lower your bills —all in one place. Stop throwing your money away. Cancel unwanted subscriptions – and manage your expenses the easy way – by going to https://www.rockertmoney.comoc  Magic Spoon has replicated your favorite childhood cereals to taste good, but each serving contains ZERO grams of sugar, 13-14 grams of protein, and 4-5 net grams of carbs. [Note: Honey Nut flavor contains 1g sugar] Head to https://www.magicspoon.com/THEOC to grab a custom bundle of cereal and try the magic for yourself! And be sure to use our promo code THEOC at checkout to save five dollars off your order! Follow @rachelbilson and @themelindaclarke on Instagram See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We are nearing the end of season three of The OC and Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke are here to break down Episode 24, “The Man of the Year.” They talk about Lucy Hale’s appearance, Marissa’s ode to “Brittany Spears” look, Seth’s trouble with weed and Rachel tries to convince Melinda to do Dancing with the Stars or The Masked Singer!  The Man of the Year Synopsis: Sandy is voted Man of the Year. Meanwhile, Kirsten hits the bottle. Summer tries to write an impulsive wrong. Ryan is blackmailed into stealing a car. Seth burns down his dad's office and Marissa gets Kaitlyn out of trouble. We will be back in January to break down the Season 3 finale of The OC, “The Graduates”.  AND also in January, we have a very special bonus episode for you OC fans, that you won’t want to miss- stay tuned!  Happy Holidays, we love you bitches!  Leave a message for the OC Bitches at https://www.speakpipe.com/OCBitches Please support our sponsors:  There’s no truer way to say “I love you” than by taking care of each other. That’s why this year, the gift of health is all you need. And with Everlywell, you can find thirty plus at-home lab tests, vitamins, supplements, and more for every person on your holiday list.  Go to https://www.everlywell.com/oc to receive 20% off your first at-home lab test.  Caraway’s holiday event has been extended so you can get non-toxic kitchen wares at the best prices! Save up to 20% on ALL Caraway products. Including their internet-famous non-toxic Cookware Set.  Go to https://www.carawayhome.com to take advantage of their Cyber Season Event and score up to 20% off.  Give yourself the ultimate gift of a stress-free holiday with NextEvo Naturals’ fast-absorbing CBD products. NextEvo’s Stress CBD Complex gummies are clinically proven to have 4x better absorption than standard CBD. No other CBD brand can promise that. Go to https://www.nextevo.com/podcast to get up to 25% off subscription orders of $40 or more. Stressing over what to bring to all of your holiday get-togethers this year? Milk Bar’s got you covered with treats that are always a crowd-pleaser. Because let’s be real, everyone knows dessert is the main event. Milk Bar is the perfect gift for anyone and everyone in your life this holiday season!  And now you can SHIP Milk Bar’s desserts NATIONWIDE, and if you waited last minute and need desserts STAT, they also offer fast - even overnight - NATIONWIDE DELIVERY.  Get $15 dollars off any order of $80 or more when you go to https://www.milkbarstore.com/oc  Follow @rachelbilson and @themelindaclarke on Instagram.   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Michael Lange joins Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke in the pool house to discuss, Season 3, Episode 23, “The Party Favor,” aka The Goonies themed Senior Prom!  Michael directed this episode so has some great behind-the-scenes moments to share including a hilarious story about Rachel wanting to do Summer’s infamous fall after winning prom queen. They also discuss Ryan and Volchok's epic fight scene and Michael gives us a funny tidbit about a scene he wanted to add at the prom!  The Party Favor synopsis: It’s Harbor's Senior Prom and it definitely  brings out the best and the worst in everyone. Meanwhile, Kirsten grapples on whether to tell Sandy the truth about her falling off the wagon.  Leave the OC, Bitches a message at https://www.speakpipe.com/ocbitches Seasons 1 of 2 of Welcome to the OC, Bitches podcast are only available exclusively on Kast Plus, find out more by going to https://www.kastmedia.com/kastplus Please support our sponsors: Talkspace is mental health care that meets you wherever you are. It simplifies taking care of your therapy and psychiatry needs, because it eliminates the need to commute to appointments, miss time at work or line up childcare in order to attend sessions .As a listener of this podcast, you’ll get $100 off of your first month with https://www.Talkspace.com and use code OC to match with a licensed therapist today. Everlywell is digital healthcare designed for you.  With over thirty at-home lab tests and high-quality vitamins and supplements, you’ll be able to find the perfect test for you or your loved one. For listeners of the show, Everlywell is offering a discount of twenty percent off an at-home lab test at https://www.everlywell.com/oc When you shop at Uncommon Goods you’re supporting artists and small, independent businesses. These fine products are often made in small batches, so shop now before they sell out this holiday season. Get 15% off your next purchase by going to https://www.uncommongoods.com/oc  MasterClass offers classes on a wide variety of topics, all taught by world-class instructors at the top of their fields. Members can explore at their own pace, and each class is supported by downloadable materials, class guides, recipes, or more. MasterClass is accessible on your phone, web, smart TV, and available via audio mode, to listen to classes on the go. This holiday, give the perfect gift of an annual MasterClass membership and get one free! Go to https://www.masterclass.com/oc today.   Santa Baby, it must be a holiday miracle because the sponsors of today’s show, MANSCAPED, are providing the tools your man needs.  Manscaped’s BEST selling product is the Performance Package 4.0 which is at the top of every mans’ wish list this year.  Make sure you hurry to their site to ensure these wild gifts show up before the Holiday Season. And while you’re at it, Get 20% off + free shipping by going to https://www.manscaped.com/THEOC  It’s time to ditch the chemicals with Caraway Home’s non-toxic kitchen ware collections, so you can make healthier cooking a piece of cake.  And Caraway’s holiday event has been extended so you can get non-toxic kitchen wares at the best prices! Visit https://www.caraway.com to get 20% off your  next purchase of non toxic cookware! Follow @rachelbilson and @themelindaclarke on Instagram  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We have a very exciting announcement. We will be giving you more content every single week! We’re recording bonus episodes and releasing all future episodes ad-free as a subscription only on Kast Plus! Also, you’ll have exclusive access to every episode of seasons one and two of Welcome to the OC, Bitches, which are now available exclusively on the subscription. Don’t miss all of this bonus content and ad-free listening. Once you subscribe, you can listen through any podcast app! Find out more by going to kastmedia.com/kastplus, that’s kastmedia.com/k-a-s-t-p-l-u-s ***PLEASE NOTE: Only Season 1 and Season 2 of Welcome to the OC, Bitches podcast are exclusively on Kast Plus. Season 3 of the Welcome to the OC, Bitches podcast will still be available on youtube and all audio platforms, ONLY, ad-free episodes of Season 3 and bonus content episodes will be available on Kast Plus.****  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It’s just Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke in the pool house today as they  break down Season 3, Episode 22, “The College Try.” Rachel and Melinda discuss college visits, the return of Anna and why can’t Seth just tell the truth! The ladies also take a deep dive into Marissa Cooper’s favorite movie, The Sound of Music, and find interesting comparisons to the O.C.   The College Try Synopsis:  Ryan and Marissa arrive at Berkeley, and Summer and Seth visit Brown for freshman orientation weekends where familiar faces from the past resurface. Meanwhile, Kirsten and Sandy reach a breaking point in their relationship. Leave a message for the OC, Bitches: https://www.speakpipe.com/ocbitches Season 1 and Season 2 of Welcome to the OC, Bitches is now available on Kast Plus, find out more at https://www.kastmedia.com/kastplus Please support our sponsors:  Give yourself the ultimate gift of a stress-free holiday with NextEvo Naturals’ fast-absorbing CBD products. NextEvo SmartSorb technology delivers CBD to your system in as little as 10 minutes.  Fight holiday stress with NextEvo Naturals Stress CBD Complex gummies featuring ashwagandha clinically proven to reduce stress by 70%. Get up to 25% off subscription orders of $40 or more at https://www.NextEvo.com/podcast, promo code OC. Make it about more than just the holidays this year with the gift of health from Everlywell. Give the gift of nourishing vitamins and supplements and over thirty at-home lab tests like Food Sensitivity and Women’s Health to help your loved ones get further on their health goals. For listeners of the show, Everlywell is offering a discount of twenty percent off an at-home lab test at https://www.everlywell.com/oc If you want to avoid boring, basic, and bland gifts this year, Uncommon Goods is your secret weapon. Uncommon Goods is here to make your holiday shopping stress-free by scouring the globe for the most remarkable and truly unique gifts for everyone on your list. Whether you’re shopping for your secret Santa or your entire family, Uncommon Goods knows exactly what they want. To get 15% off your next gift, go to https://www.uncommongoods.com/oc  Follow @rachelbilson and @themelindaclarke on Instagram     See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Editor extraordinaire, Jeff Granzow joins Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke in the pool house to discuss Season 3, Episode 21 “The Dawn Patrol.” Jeff talks about how Norman Buckley mentored him and brought him up in the editing world.  He also discusses how Josh Schwartz and Stephanie Savage took a shot on him and he has been working with them ever since.  Jeff edited this episode so he gives a unique behind-the-scenes perspective into the episode, it’s definitely one you do not want to miss!  The Dawn Patrol Synopsis:  Ryan heads to Albuquerque to invite his mom to graduation, while Summer tries to figure out why Seth broke up with her.   Julie meddles with Marissa and Volchok's relationship.  And Sandy and Kirsten’s relationship continues to suffer.  Leave the OC Bitches a message, https://www.speakpipe.com/ocbitches  You can listen to this episode, ad-free on Amazon Music!  Please support our sponsors: With MasterClass, you can learn from the world’s best minds - anytime, anywhere, and at your own pace.  This holiday, give one annual membership and get one free! Go to https://www.masterclass.com/oc  today.  The holidays came early this year ladies! If you’re still not sure what to get the man in your life then look no further than our friends at MANSCAPED™! The leading men’s hygiene brand just launched new products that your man will actually use, including their new shower time favorite - the Body Buffer! It’s time to give the man in your life the gift of smooth balls and a good shower time experience this holiday season. Get 20% Off and Free Shipping at https://www.manscaped.com/THEOC Uncommon Goods is here to make your holiday shopping stress-free by scouring the globe for the most remarkable and truly unique gifts for everyone on your list. Uncommon Goods looks for products that are high quality, unique, and often handmade or made in the US. They have the most meaningful, out-of-the-ordinary gifts anywhere. To get 15% off your next gift, go to https://www.uncommongoods.com/OC  With HelloFresh, you get farm-fresh, pre-portioned ingredients and seasonal recipes delivered right to your doorstep. Skip trips to the grocery store and count on HelloFresh to make home cooking easy, fun, AND affordable – that’s why it’s America’s #1 meal kit! Go to https://www.hellofresh.com/oc70 and use code oc70 for 70% off plus free shipping! Stressing over what to bring to all of your holiday get-togethers this year? Milk Bar’s got you covered with treats that are always a crowd-pleaser. Because let’s be real, everyone knows dessert is the main event. And now you can SHIP Milk Bar’s desserts NATIONWIDE. Milk Bar is the perfect gift for anyone and everyone in your life this holiday season!  Get $15 dollars off any order of $80 or more when you go to https://www.milkbarstore.com/oc  Follow @rachelbilson and @themelindaclarke on Instagram      See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It’s just Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke in the pool house today as they break down Season 3, Episode 20, “The Day After Tomorrow.”   Rachel tells a story on how she relates to Summer’s character, wanting to follow Seth to Brown as she went through something similar.  The ladies also discuss Mexico trips and Norman Buckley sent Melinda some great behind-the-scenes moments from the episode.  And then, later Michelle Rubinstein and Ilissa Tenio from the Let’s Talk OC Podcast come on to discuss the episode and ask the ladies a few questions.  The Day After Tomorrow synopsis: College acceptance letters arrive, three get in and one didn’t! Ryan and Sadie try to navigate what is next for their relationship, Seth lies to Summer again and Marissa grapples with what to do after high school.  Meanwhile, Sandy tries to resolve the conflict with the shady Dr. Griffin and Matt and Taylor throws a bonfire party!  Leave the OC, Bitches a message at https://www.speakpipe.com/ocbitches Please support our sponsors: Talkspace offers both therapy and psychiatry from the comfort of your  phone- it’s the #1 online therapy platform, with thousands of licensed therapists trained in over 40 specialties.  Go to https://www.talkspace.com  and use the code OC to get $100 off of your first month with Talkspace. This year, you can prioritize what matters most when you share the gift of health from Everlywell. Choose from at-home lab tests like Food Sensitivity, Women’s Health, or Men’s Health, or vitamins and supplements because love — and health — are all you need. Go to https://www.everlywell.com/oc for 20% off your next at-home lab test.  Caraway Home’s non-toxic kitchen wares are all designed for the modern home and feature a chemical-free ceramic coating, so food can be prepared with peace of mind that no hard-to-pronounce compound will leach into your healthy ingredients.  Visit https://www.caraway.com to take advantage of their Cyber Season Event and score up to 20% off your next purchase.  Follow @rachelbilson and @themelindaclarke on Instagram and don’t forget to check-out Liss and Michelle’s “Let’s Talk OC” podcast.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rocking a “Never Forget” Marissa Cooper t-shirt,  Costume Designer, Robin Lewis West joins Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke in the pool house to discuss,  Season 3 Episode 19 “The Secrets and the Lies” Robin joined The OC, season three and discusses how Production Designer and fellow podcast guest, Thomas Fichter helped connect her to The OC team.  She also talks about her favorite moments from the show that includes zipping up Summer’s g-string in her Vera Wang prom dress–oops! Robin also chats about how she started out as a Fashion Designer but prefers costume design because she gets to create looks for characters based on their story in the show.  **Spoiler Alert** And later, Robin tests Rachel and Melinda’s knowledge by bringing some of The OC characters iconic clothes for them to guess who wore what!  If you haven’t finished Season 3 yet, you might want to hold off on this bonus segment!  The Secret and the Lies Synopsis:  Julie and Dr. Roberts return from their cruise and surprise-  they are engaged!  Marissa starts to spiral and seeks solace with Volchok which causes a rift between her and Summer.  Meanwhile, Kirsten surprises Seth with a night out to an AA meeting, and Sandy's woes with Matt continue when Henry Griffin continues to insist that Sandy fire Matt from Newport Group for dating his daughter AND- Ryan moves on from Marissa and grows closer to Sadie. Leave the OC, Bitches a message:  https://www.speakpipe.com/ocbitches You can now listen to this episode, ad-free on Amazon music! Please support our sponsors: Think your holiday spread is good? It’s time to give thanks to the MANSCAPED™ Performance Package 4.0. -- or as I like to call it, the perfect package for his perfect package! Inside, you’ll find their Lawn Mower® 4.0 trimmer, Weed Whacker ear and nose hair trimmer, Crop Preserver ball deodorant, Crop Reviver Toner, Performance Boxer Briefs, and a travel bag to hold your goodies.  Get 20% off + free shipping at https://www.manscaped.com/THEOC.  Reliefband is the #1 FDA-Cleared anti-nausea wristband that has been CLINICALLY PROVEN to quickly relieve and effectively prevent nausea and vomiting associated with motion sickness, anxiety, migraines, hangovers, morning sickness, chemotherapy and so much more.  Go to https://www.reliefband.com and use promo code OC you’ll receive 20% off plus free shipping and a no questions asked 30-day money back guarantee. MasterClass is accessible on your phone, web, or Smart TV — offering classes on a wide variety of topics, all taught by world-class instructors at the top of their fields. Each class is broken out into individual video lessons, usually around 10 minutes long. This holiday, give one annual membership and get one free! Go to https://www.masterclass.com/oc today! NextEvo Naturals developed SmartSorb technology, clinically proven to help your body absorb CBD four times better than regular CBD oil. Because oil just doesn’t mix with your water-based body. Help fight stress with NextEvo Naturals Stress CBD Complex with ashwagandha, clinically proven to reduce stress by 70%. Get to the root of your stress, go to https://www.nextevo.com and use promo code OC to receive 25% off subscription orders of $40 dollars or more.  Follow @rachelbilson, @themelindaclarke and check out Robin’s website at https://robinlewiswest.com See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Bad-girl "Jess Sathers" played by Nikki Griffin is in the pool house with Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke to discuss Season 3, Episode 18, “The Undertow.” Nikki discusses getting the role of “Jess” and when she decided that acting wasn’t for her and that she now prefers to work behind the scenes.  Nikki also talks about filming the infamous pool scene in Season 2 and how she was brought back for Season 3 to help push the Trey/Ryan storyline along.   The Undertow Synopsis:   Jess returns with news about Trey. Kirsten helps Ryan confront his savior complex. Seth and Summer receive sex counseling from Taylor. Leave a message for the OC, Bitches:  https://www.speakpipe.com/ocbitches Please support our sponsors:  Caraway Home’s non-toxic kitchen wares are all designed for the modern home and feature a chemical-free ceramic coating, so food can be prepared with peace of mind that no hard-to-pronounce compound will leach into your healthy ingredients. Visit https://www.carawayhome.com to take advantage of their Cyber Season Event and score up to 20% off your next purchase of non-toxic kitchenware. This deal won’t last long,  shop all their incredible products for up to 20% off this holiday season.  Take action today for a healthier tomorrow with Everlywell. Their at-home lab tests and vitamins and supplements can help you get the knowledge and support you need, so you can become a healthier you. Go to https://www.everlywell.com/oc for 20% off your next at-home lab test.  The Manscape Performance Package gives all the items your man needs to stay well-groomed, you’ll find their Lawn Mower® 4.0 trimmer, Weed Whacker ear and nose hair trimmer, Crop Preserver ball deodorant, Crop Reviver Toner, Performance Boxer Briefs, and a travel bag to hold your goodies. Go to https://www.manscaped.com/theoc to get 20% off plus free shipping. Follow @rachelbilson, @themelindaclarke and @nikki_griffin on Instagram  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As the final days of winter break trickle away, our band of reluctant Atomic County heroes begrudgingly convene at the Bait Shop for one last taste of freedom before the grip of their final high school semester reclaims them. They are determined to “Free Marissa” from the clutches of Newport Union and thrust her back into the manufactured utopia of Harbor High to “Graduate. In the midst of this teenage turmoil, Julie and Neil stumble through the awkward pas de deux of their post-divorce existence. With the stakes higher than Seth's caffeine intake, Sandy's daring plan becomes the last hope for our beloved core four to restore harmony to the hallowed halls of Harbor High." Follow @themelindaclarke and @cgmir on Instagram. Stay tuned to Reddit r/theOC, the Beyond the OC YouTube channel and Melinda and CG's Instagrams for our upcoming deep dives so your questions can be answered on the show. Get 15% off LolaVie with the code OC at https://www.lolavie.com/OC #lolaviepod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It’s just Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke in the pool house today to discuss Season 3, Episode 17, “The Journey.”   It’s Ryan’s 18th birthday and the ladies break down the ending of Ryan and Marissa, making mix cds and Sadie and Ryan’s chemistry.  Melinda also talks about fainting spells and Rachel discusses her time on Buffy the Vampire Slayer and 8 Simple Rules.  The Journey synopsis:  The Cohens throw Ryan a party for his eighteenth birthday and Ryan can't decide whether or not to invite Marissa after their break-up.  Sandy tries to track down Dawn to surprise Ryan. Meanwhile, Summer confronts Julie about her and her dad dating and Marissa crashes into an old memory and grows closer to Volchok.  Leave the OC Bitches a message, https://www.speakpipe.com/ocbitches Please support our sponsor: With HelloFresh, you get farm-fresh, pre-portioned ingredients and seasonal recipes delivered right to your doorstep. Skip trips to the grocery store and count on HelloFresh to make home cooking easy, fun, AND affordable – that’s why it’s America’s #1 meal kit!  Go to https://www.hellofresh.com/oc65 and use code oc65 for 65% off plus free shipping!  Please follow @rachelbilson and @melindaclarke on Instagram See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In 2014, Dutch friends Lisanne Froon and Kris Kremers disappeared while hiking a jungle trail in Panama. Two months later, investigators found their remains, as well as a backpack with a digital camera filled with photos that hinted at a darker story. What happened to Kris and Lisanne? In this investigative series, journalists Mariana Atencio and Jeremy Kryt retrace the last steps of the doomed women. Their search for the truth immerses them in eight years’ worth of conflicting evidence, testimonies, and rumors, as on-the-ground witnesses in Panama come forward for the first time. This explosive new evidence sets off a real-time race to reopen the case, and finally get justice for Kris and Lisanne. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/lost-in-panama/id1650171879 https://open.spotify.com/show/552v0bU0KQrnNDoeinrYU9?si=iVTRQlLbQ7et-65Cx4EQ7A See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

CG Mirich aka Melinda Clarke’s daughter  joins Melinda and Rachel Bilson in the pool house to discuss Season 3, Episode 16, “The Road Warrior.” CG talks growing up on set while her mom worked on The OC, her favorite set memories including one that involves a pink scooter and Adam Brody.  The ladies also discuss the big break-up between Marissa and Ryan, how you can taste the actor’s make-up during make-out scenes and that infamous Basic Instinct that Julie Cooper had to re-enact.  The Road Warrior Synopsis:  The police suspect foul play in Johnny's death and look to Marissa while Ryan and Sadie go on a road trip to look for Johnny's dad. A concerned Summer finds out about her dad's relationship with Julie.  Also, Matt continues dating Maya in order to influence her father to give more funding for their hospital, while Kirsten begins to think Sandy is being corrupted by his business deals with Matt over Maya. Leave the bitches a message at https://www.speakpipe.com/ocbitches  Please support our sponsors: Article has everything you need to turn your bedroom into your best room, all for a great price. They combine the curation of a boutique furniture store with the comfort and simplicity of shopping online. Go to https://www.article.com/oc to get $50 dollars off your first purchase of $100 dollars or more.  Enter the Buffyverse with Alaina and Ash! Listen to The Rewatcher: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on Amazon Music, Apple Podcasts, or listen early and ad-free by subscribing to Wondery Plus in Apple Podcasts or the Wondery App. October is the most popular month for weddings and the thought of having your insides squished by your shapewear while sitting through a long ceremony can be overwhelming. Honeylove spent years researching and developing the most comfortable and effective shapewear on the planet. We have an exclusive deal for our listeners. For a limited time only you can get Honeylove’s best deal they offer! Get 20% Off your entire order with the code OC  at https://www.honeylove.com NextEvo Naturals developed SmartSorb technology, clinically proven to help your body absorb CBD four times better than regular CBD oil. Because oil just doesn’t mix with your water-based body. Get a better night’s rest and a better day tomorrow with products from NextEvo Naturals.  For up to 25% off subscription orders of $40 or more, use promo code OC at https://www.nextevo.com Reliefband is the #1 FDA-Cleared anti-nausea wristband that has been CLINICALLY PROVEN to quickly relieve and effectively prevent nausea and vomiting associated with motion sickness, anxiety, migraines, hangovers, morning sickness, chemotherapy and so much more.  Right now, we’ve got an exclusive offer just for WELCOME TO THE OC, BITCHES listeners.  If you go to https://www.reliefband.com and use promo code OC you’ll receive 20% off plus free shipping and a no questions asked 30-day money back guarantee.  Please follow @rachelbilson and @themelindaclarke on Instagram    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rachel Bilson’s BFF Lea Griffin joins Rachel and Melinda Clarke in the pool house today to discuss Season 3, Episode 15, “The Heavy Lifting.” Lea talks about Rachel getting the role of the Summer for The OC, and all of the old memories from OC events that she attended, including one story involving a homeless woman randomly walking into Rachel and Lea’s house! Oh, and she shares some throwback pictures, definitely check out our Youtube page!   The ladies also talk about Johnny's death aftermath, and how it was the beginning of the end of Ryan and Marissa. They also discuss favorite Valentine’s Day moments and why sunglasses while filming is a big no no!  The Heavy Lifting Synopsis:  In the aftermath of Johnny's untimely death, the gang tries to sort out their problems and face the reality of the situation. Johnny's cousin, Sadie Campbell, arrives in Newport for the funeral. Meanwhile, Kaitlin's winter break is over, meaning that she must return to her boarding school.. And Kirsten and Julie press on with their Valentine's Day party.  Leave the OC bitches a message: https://www.speakpipe.com/ocbitches Please support our sponsors: Enter the Buffyverse with Alaina and Ash! Listen to The Rewatcher: Buffy the Vampire Slayer on Amazon Music, Apple Podcasts, or listen early and ad-free by subscribing to Wondery Plus in Apple Podcasts or the Wondery App. Living Proof’s award-winning formulas are proven to make hair look and feel healthier without sacrificing ingredient integrity. The Living Proof promise ensures that their formulas are free of silicones, harsh sulfates, parabens, and phthalates. They’re cruelty-free, color safe, and safe for chemically treated hair. Visit https://www.livingproof.com/theoc and use code THEOC to get ten percent off your first purchase.  Follow @rachelbilson, @themelindaclarke and @missleagrace on Instagram See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ryan Haley and Mike Gravagno have returned to the clubhouse to join Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke to break down the top moments of Season 1 of The O.C. Hear the duo's iconic list and  Melinda provides some additional bonus content by breaking out her favorite Julie Cooper quotes from Season 1. You can learn more about Ryan and Mike and their podcasts at https://www.popfilter.com Leave the OC bitches a message, https://www.speakpipe.com Please support our sponsors: Article has everything you need to turn your bedroom into your best room, all for a great price. They offer cozy beds, swanky headboards, and tons of lighting options to help you set the tone. Go to https://www.article.com/oc to receive $50 dollars off your first purchase of $100 dollars or more.  Using Talkspace feels a little like having a mental health professional in your pocket. Talkspace offers both therapy and psychiatry, and being able to reach out to my provider any time, anywhere makes taking care of your mental health super easy. Go to https://www.talkspace.com and use code OC to get $100 off your first month.  We all know most shape wear makes you feel like you’re suffocating. That’s why Honeylove spent years researching and developing effective shape wear that’s actually comfortable. Thanks to Honeylove, you can finally feel confident and comfortable in your favorite outfits. We have an exclusive deal for our listeners. For a limited time only you can get Honeylove’s best deal they offer! Get 20% Off your entire order with the code  OC at https://www.honeylove.com/oc  Follow @rachelbilson and @themelindaclarke on Instagram  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rabia Chaudry and Ellyn Marsh, both well known names in true crime podcasting, will bring their separate audiences, experience, and unique talents to tell you all of the things you might not know about some of the most famous true crime cases. This bi-weekly true crime talk show will ask why celebrities are obsessed with true crime, and also will examine some of the most infamous cases they are obsessed with through the lens of Chaudry’s legal expertise and Marsh’s comedy. It's the cross-over podcast listeners have been waiting for.... can you solve the case? Apple Podcasts:  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/rabia-and-ellyn-solve-the-case/id1646694616 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3ojMLLts8DyhcyrpFIrf7G?si=osASMgs2TVGvXCn0-vfOog See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Beloved OC editor, Matt Ramsey joins Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke in the pool house to discuss the pivotal Season 3, Episode 14, “The Cliffhanger.” Matt gives exclusive behind-the-scenes tidbits on editing this episode and how they had to pick up a lot of shots of Johnny’s death scene.  He also talks about The OC music and how the Artic Monkeys passed on being on the show!  He also tells a hysterical story about how he ruined Josh Schwartz’s iPod!  The Cliffhanger Synopsis:  Summer discovers the truth about Seth's pot smoking, while Sandy and Matt encounter an obstacle with their hospital project. Meanwhile, Kirsten and Julie take their matchmaking business a little too far, causing Julie to go into hiding. Marissa finally tells Johnny how she truly feels and Kaitlin wonders which "Cooper'' Johnny really likes. When Johnny and Kaitlin head to the beach for some partying and drinking, Johnny loses it and finds himself at the edge of reason, and of a 100-foot cliff. Leave the OC Bitches a message: https://www.speakpipe.com/ocbitches Please support our sponsors: A change of season means longer days, better outdoor activities, and more ways to get healthier, including checking in on your health and wellness. With Everlywell, you can take action today by taking one of their at-home lab tests or by adding their vitamins and supplements into your daily routine. Go to https://www.everlywell.com/oc to receive 20% off your first at-home lab test. We all know most shapewear makes you feel like you’re suffocating. . That’s why Honeylove spent years researching and developing effective shapewear that’s actually comfortable. Overly-tight cheap and sticky fabrics that roll up are a thing of the past. Thanks to Honeylove, you can finally feel confident and comfortable in your favorite outfits.  Go to https://www.honeylove.com/oc to get 20% off by using code OC at checkout.  Living Proof’s award-winning formulas are proven to make hair look and feel healthier without sacrificing ingredient integrity. The Living Proof promise ensures that their formulas are free of silicones, harsh sulfates, parabens, and phthalates. They’re cruelty-free, color safe, and safe for chemically treated hair. Go to https://www.livingproof.com/theoc and use code THE OC to receive 10% off your first purchase. Follow @rachelbilson and @themelindaclarke on Instagram  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke are joined by cast members and celebrity fans of The O.C. to do a charity table reading of the infamous, Season 2, Episode 13, "The Rainy Day Women". Proceeds from today's event go to the charity, No Kid Hungry. ​​ No Kid Hungry is a nonprofit working to solve the problems of hunger and poverty in the United States and around the world. After 25 years of successfully investing in local nonprofits and helping find the best approaches to eradicating poverty and hunger. Please donate to them today: https://www.nokidhungry.org/ Special thanks to Charity Buzz, No Kid Hungry, James V Espey, Kast Media, and Josh Schwartz See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke are joined by Billy Lunn and Charlotte Cooper from the band, The Subways.  The Subways performed in the Baitshop in Season 3, Episode 7’s “The Anger Management.”  Billy and Charlotte talk about what it was like to be on set,  filming that particular scene, and meeting Ben McKenzie in the trailer!  They also talk about what's next for The Subways. Later, Rachel and Melinda talk about Season 3, Episode 13, “The Pot Stirrer.” The ladies break down the episode with some great behind-the-scenes tidbits from the director of the episode, Norman Buckley.  Melinda shares a story about her parents forgetting one of her birthdays.  They also discuss Only Fans and pot smoking with Melinda sharing a story about her first time trying a pot brownie.   The Pot Stirrer Synopsis:  Kaitlin stirs the pot with Marissa by going out with  Johnny with the sole motive of making Marissa jealous.  Seth completely spirals after being offered an interview at Brown University.  Meanwhile, Sandy tries to close a big deal and Julie grows closer to Neil throwing a birthday bash for Kaitlyn at his house.  Please support our sponsors:  A change of season means longer days, better outdoor activities, and more ways to get healthier, including checking in on your health and wellness. With Everlywell, you can take action today by taking one of their at-home lab tests or by adding their vitamins and supplements into your daily routine.  Go to  https://www.everlywell.com/oc to receive 20% off your first at-home lab test.  We all know most shapewear makes you feel like you’re suffocating. That sexy dress in the back of your closet is so freakin cute but the thought of having your insides squished by your shapewear is just not worth it. That’s why Honeylove spent years researching and developing effective shapewear that’s actually comfortable. Overly-tight cheap and sticky fabrics that roll up are a thing of the past. Thanks to Honeylove, you can finally feel confident and comfortable in your favorite outfits.  Go to https://www.honeylove.com/oc and enter code OC to receive 20% off your entire order.  Follow @rachelbilson, @themelindaclarke and check out The Subways at https://www.subways.net See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke are joined today by Fox TV Executive, Deborah Hasen-Klein, to discuss Season 3, Episode 12, “The Sister Act.” Deborah breaks down what being a TV Executive entails, how much of an OC fan she was while growing up, and also tells a crazy story about how she first met Melinda!  The trio also discusses how phenomenal the actor who played Johnny Harper, Ryan Donowho acting was and Melinda has a very interesting story about Jerry Seinfeld! The Sister Act Synopsis: Marissa's sister, Kaitlyn returns home from boarding school with secrets, lies, and a bag of stolen cash.   Veronica Townsend has her eyes on Neil Roberts much to Julie’s disappointment so the Cohens and Summer concoct a plan to get Veronica away from Neil so Julie can have her shot!   And Johnny tries to distance himself from Marissa.  Leave a message for the OC Bitches, https://www.speakpipe.com/ocbitches Please support our sponsors:  Article combines the curation of a boutique furniture store with the comfort and simplicity of shopping online. They are dedicated to a modern aesthetic of mid-century, Scandinavian, industrial, and bohemian designs. Go to https://www.article.com/oc to get $50 off your first purchase of $100 or more.  When it comes to therapy and psychiatry, getting the help you need has never been so simple. When you’re able to access your provider from the comfort of your device, it means mental health care can be on your schedule. And alleviating the wait times to get an appointment or the travel time to an office can free up time for the rest of your life. Talkspace is so convenient and accessible, it helps me feel supported around the clock. Go to https://www.talkspace.com and use code OC to get $100 dollars off your first month.  Follow @rachelbilson and @themelindaclarke on Instagram   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

"Paint The Silence" for this episode cause it has ALL the feels! As Ryan turns 18 and Seth is determined to throw him a party that helps him remember and celebrate his "Journey". Marissa is struggling but finding support in the least likely place. CG and Melinda get into the best moments and are joined by a special guest-Java Doodles! Follow @themelindaclarke and @cgmir on Instagram. Stay tuned to Reddit r/theOC, the Beyond the OC YouTube channel and Melinda and CG's Instagrams for our upcoming deep dives so your questions can be answered on the show. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke are joined by the original OC Production Designer, Thomas Fichter remotely today as they discuss, Season 3, Episode 11 “The Safe Harbor” aka Free Marissa! Thomas discusses what a Production Designer job entails and some of his favorite set builds on The O.C.,  including the Cohen house and the Bait Shop.  He also discusses other shows he has worked on including Rachel’s favorite, Beverly Hills 90210.  Speaking of 90210 the trio discusses the similarities between the Donna Martin Graduates episode and the Free Marissa episode on The O.C.  The Safe Harbor Synopsis:   Ryan, Seth, and Summer plot to get Marissa back into Harbor School so they can be all together for the rest of the senior year. Johnny asks Marissa to attend a social function to celebrate his successful knee surgery. Also, Julie continues to have a meeting of minds with Dr. Neil Roberts. Leave the OC, Bitches a message, https://www.speakpipe.com/ocbitches Please support our sponsor: Take action today for a healthier tomorrow with Everlywell. Their at-home lab tests and vitamins and supplements can help you get the knowledge and support you need, so you can become a healthier you.  Go to https://www.everlywell.com/oc for 20% off your next at-home lab test. Follow @rachelbilson and @themelindaclarke on Instagram  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke are joined today by OC superfan and podcaster, Ryan Drake from the Keeping up with the Cohens to discuss S3 Epi 10 The Chrismukkah Bar Mitz-vahkkah. The trio breakdown Johnny’s surgery and question the costs, Ryan also has some questions for Josh Schwartz regarding the  Season 1, “Countdown” episode, that Josh answers! Hear about which character Ryan thinks has the most growth and later Rachel and Melinda answer a live question from a Bravo blogger who loves The O.C.  The Chrismukkah Bar Mitz-vahkkah synopsis: Ryan, Marissa, Seth, and Summer try to raise money for Johnny's knee surgery by throwing Ryan a Bar Mitzvah as part of Seth's annual Chrismukkah celebration and they enlist the help of Sandy, Kirsten, and Julie.    Meanwhile, Kirsten tries to cheer up Julie who still is concealing her living situation from Marissa. And Julie finds an unlikely friendship with Summer’s dad, Dr. Roberts  Leave the OC Bitches a message:  https://www.speakpipe.com/ocbitches Follow @rachelbilson and @themelindaclarke on Instagram and check out Ryan’s podcast, Keeping up with the Cohens!    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Audrina Patridge drops by the pool house today to discuss with Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke her new book, “Choices”,  becoming a podcaster, Misha Barton’s time on The Hills, and how Laguna Beach and The Hills resonated with The O.C. Later, Rachel and Melinda break down S3, Episode 9, “The Disconnect.”  The ladies discuss SAT scores and tubas.  They also take a deep dive into Marissa and Johnny’s relationship… and strip clubs, lots of strip clubs!  The Disconnect Synopsis: Marissa takes on the role of caretaker in the aftermath of Johnny’s accident and the two grow closer as a result. Seth and Summer compete with one another to get into Brown University. Also, Ryan takes an internship at the Newport Group, learns more about Matt Ramsey, and covers for him when Matt blows a big deal for Sandy.  And Kirsten and Julie start a new business venture together with a very interesting first client.  Leave the OC Bitches a message: https://www.speakpipe.com/ocbitches Please support our sponsors: Article is the easiest way to make your space look beautiful. Article’s team of designers focuses on beautifully crafted pieces, quality materials, and durable construction. Head to https://www.article.com/oc and receive $50 dollars off your first purchase of $100 dollars or more.  Follow @rachelbilson, @themelindaclarke, and @audrinapatridge on Instagram.   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Tate Donovan is back in the pool house! This time to discuss his directorial debut on The O.C, Season 3, Episode 8, “The Game Plan.” Tate discusses what it's like to move from being an actor to a director, and how directing has made him fall in love with the acting process again.  He also gives some great behind-the-scenes scoop from directing this episode.  They also discuss college and whether or not couples should stay together when they graduate high school.   The Game Plan Synopsis: Ryan, Summer, Seth, and Marissa think about what they'd like to do with their lives as they compile their college applications. Meanwhile, Johnny's surfing career takes an unfortunate twist when he gets hit by a moving car in a parking lot. Also, Julie finally reveals to Kirsten the secret about Charlotte.  Leave the OC Bitches a message:   https://www.speakpipe.com/ocbitches Take action today for a healthier tomorrow with Everlywell. Their at-home lab tests and vitamins and supplements can help you get the knowledge and support you need, so you can become a healthier you. Go to https://www.everlywell.com/oc to get 20% off an at-home lab test.  Follow @rachelbilson, @themelindaclarke, and @t8dono on Instagram   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke are joined by superfan and YouTube influencer, Dylan Matthew aka Dylan is in Trouble.   Dylan discusses his love for The OC and his love for Cam Gigadent which is echoed by Rachel and Melinda.  We also learn that Cam’s character Kevin Volchok was actually named after a friend of Adam Brody and Josh Schwartz’s.  They also talk about production assistant jobs and what exactly does the surfing term munch mean?   The Anger Management Synopsis: Tensions between Ryan and Volchok come to a head with Marissa trying to step in and help.  Taylor’s crush on Seth causes a rift in his relationship with Summer.  Charlotte and Julie throw their faux benefit with Kirsten's help, who is completely clueless about the charity’s true intentions.  Meanwhile, Sandy officially takes over at the Newport Group, and the responsibilities of being a CEO take a toll.   Please support our sponsors:  Article combines the curation of a boutique furniture store with the comfort and simplicity of shopping online. Go to https://www.article.com/theoc to receive $50 dollars off your first purchase of $100 dollars or more.  Take action today for a healthier tomorrow with Everlywell. Their at-home lab tests and vitamins and supplements can help you get the knowledge and support you need, so you can become a healthier you. Go to https://www.everlywell.com/oc for 20% off your next at-home lab test.  Talkspace is the #1 online therapy platform that has thousands of licensed therapists trained in over 40 specialties, including anxiety, depression, relationships, and more. Your therapist can help you set and achieve your goals. Go to https://www.talkspace.com and use code OC to get $100 dollars off your first month with Talkspace.  Follow @rachelbilson and @themelindaclarke on Instagram and follow Dylan is in Trouble on YouTube.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It’s just Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke in the pool house today as the breakdown of Season 3, Episode 6, “The Swells.”   Later Taylor Lord, creator of the website, https://www.everythingtheoc.com/ , and Shari Weiss from Teen Drama Whore, https://teendramawhore.substack.com/  join the ladies live to ask some burning fan questions!  The Swells Synopsis: Marissa and Ryan’s relationship begins to drift apart leaving the door open for Marissa and Johnny's friendship to grow, which leaves Summer very concerned.  Taylor plans a senior night lock-in and develops a crush on…Seth?!  Meanwhile, Julie and Charlotte convince Kirsten to help them with a “charity event” and Sandy decides to take on the Newport Group with a new business partner, Matt Ramsey.   Leave the OC Bitches a message:   https://www.speakpipe.com/ocbitches Please support our sponsor:  Take action today for a healthier tomorrow with Everlywell. Their at-home lab tests and vitamins and supplements can help you get the knowledge and support you need, so you can become a healthier you. Go to https://www.everlywell.com/oc and get 20% off an at-home lab test.  Follow @rachelbilson, @themelindaclarke, and Taylor at @welovetheoc on Instagram and you can follow Shai at @sizzlemaker on Twitter.  And don't forget to check-out Taylor’s website: https://www.everythingtheoc.com/ and Shari’s: https://teendramawhore.substack.com/  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Eric Mabius aka the infamous Dean Hess joins Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke in the clubhouse to discuss Season 3, Episode 5, “The Perfect Storm.” Eric talks about how his dad got him into acting and speaking of dads, OC Alum,  Alan Dale plays Eric’s dad in “Ugly Betty.” Eric and Melinda also discuss how they both have a connection to the Olympic Luge Team.  Eric also talks about how he got the role of Dean Hess and his real opinion of him.  And the trio has a very hilarious reaction to the film,  The Perfect Storm.  The Perfect Storm: Ryan finds out about Dean Hess' crusade to ruin his reputation, feeling discouraged he drops his tutor and lands a job as a fisherman with Johnny’s help.  Meanwhile, Summer and Seth are determined to catch Taylor Townsend and Dean Hess in the act,  they loop in Sandy who uses his legal skills to get rid of Dean Hess and get Ryan back at Harbor.  Also, Charlotte finds a new mark in Julie Cooper, she preys on Julie’s vulnerabilities and offers to buy her a condo and hopes to enlist her in a bigger scam. Leave the OC Bitches a message:   https://www.speakpipe.com/ocbitches Please support our sponsors  Everlywell is digital healthcare designed for you. With over thirty at-home lab tests, you’ll be able to choose the test that makes the most sense for you to get the answers you need. Everlywell also has high-quality vitamins and supplements to support your overall health. Choose from a variety of options, including Vitamin D Three and Omega Three Fish Oil. Go to https://www.everlywell.com/oc to get 20% on an at-home lab test.  Article has launched their new line of Outdoor products for Summer ‘22.  Think oversized statement loungers, streamlined dining pieces, and easy-to-style sofas for all your backyard needs.  With 42 new pieces, plus a selection of best-sellers from seasons past, Article has what you need to outfit the deck of your dreams this summer. Go to https://www.article.com/oc to get $50 dollars off your first purchase of $100 dollars or more.  Follow @rachelbilson and @themelindaclare on Instagram and follow @eric_mabius on Twitter.   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Kayla Ewell aka “Casey” from Newport Union  joins Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke in the pool house to discuss, S3 Episode 4, “The Last Waltz” The trio talks about LA traffic, motherhood, and being podcasters, Kayla has her own podcast,  “Directionally Challenged”- check it out!  Hear about how Kayla got the role of Casey, what other character she auditioned for on The O.C and what her first day on set was like.  The ladies also discuss a Vampire Diaries/OC crossover! The Last Waltz synopsis: Marissa attends a new high school, Newport Union, and makes new friends with Johnny, Casey, and Chili, all of who make Ryan slightly jealous.  Julie’s mansion gets repossessed and she is left with absolutely nothing but a broken heart.  And Summer and Seth deal with Taylor who has taken over the Homecoming Dance much to Summer’s dismay but Summer uncovers a very damaging secret between Dean Hess and Taylor. Leave the OC Bitches a message:   https://www.speakpipe.com/ocbitches Follow @rachelbilson, @themelindaclarke, and @kaylaewell on Instagram    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke are joined by Script Supervisor turned Director, Kellie Cyrus.  Kellie worked as a Script Supervisor on The OC from the beginning and is now directing iconic tv shows like "You", "Vampire Diaries", and "The Flash." The trio will be discussing S3 Ep 3, “The End of Innocence.”  In addition to breaking down the episode, Kellie gives us some great never before heard behind-the-scenes tidbits from season 1 to season 3!  Mindy talks about pronunciations and how "on the nose," it is for her character, Julie.  The ladies also discuss Dirty Dancing, their first concert and Kellie gives us the scoop on the job of a Script Supervisor.  The End of Innocence synopsis:  Following their expulsion from Harbor High, Ryan and Marissa are told by Julie and Sandy to stay away from each other.  Dean Hess is now going after Seth and Summer by forcing them to work with Taylor on the school musical. Meanwhile, Caleb’s will is read, Jimmy makes a difficult decision and Kirsten finally returns home to Sandy, leaving behind Charlotte who starts to show her true colors. ​​​​Leave the OC, Bitches a message: https://www.speakpipe.com/ocbitches Please support our sponsors:  Take action today for a healthier tomorrow with Everlywell. Their at-home lab tests and vitamins and supplements can help you get the knowledge and support you need, so you can become a healthier you. Go to https://www.everlywell.com/oc to get 20% off your next at-home lab test. Article has launched their new line of Outdoor products for Summer ‘22.  Think oversized statement loungers, streamlined dining pieces, and easy-to-style sofas for all your backyard needs.  With 42 new pieces, plus a selection of best-sellers from seasons past, Article has what you need to outfit the deck of your dreams this summer. Go to https://www.article.com/oc to receive $50 dollars off your first purchase of $100 or more.  Follow @rachelbilson and @themelindaclarke on Instagram See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Autumn Reeser joins Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke in the clubhouse to discuss, Season 2 Episode 2,  “The Shape of Things to Come,” also known as the episodic debut of the iconic character, Taylor Townsend!  Hear about how Autumn got the role of Taylor and how she prepped for the audition and why Taylor’s hair was blonde at the beginning of the season.  Rachel and Autumn both discuss the similarities between Taylor and the character Tracy Flick from the Election movie. The ladies also discuss some BTS scoop on the filming locations, set memories, and motherhood.   The Shape of Things to Come Synopsis: Kirsten is worried about leaving rehab and decides to move in with Charlotte instead, which surprises Sandy.  The new dean of Harbor School wants to expel Marissa and Ryan for shooting Trey, which leaves Julie scheming on ways to keep Marissa in.  Summer tries to take on Social Chair and is having difficulty due to Taylor Townsend. Meanwhile, Jimmy meets with his loan shark and we see just how bad his money problems are.     Leave the OC, Bitches a message: https://www.speakpipe.com/ocbitches  Please support our sponsors: Blenders’ Eyewear team of in-house designers are constantly coming out with new styles,  from the latest sunglasses to trends to prescription glasses, readers, and blue lights, as well as a snow collection with goggles and accessories.  Go to https://www.blenderseyewear.com and enter code ocvip to get 15% off your purchase.  We’re all trying to eat better. But a healthy breakfast doesn’t have to be boring. Magic Spoon has the amazing flavors you love, but without all the bad stuff--and it’s amazing as a midnight snack right before bed! Go to https://www.magicspoon.com/THEOC to get $5 dollars off your purchase.  This summer, add some power players to your grilling lineup with ButcherBox. ButcherBox is the subscription service that delivers high-quality meat and seafood right to your doorstep. Sign up today, go to https://www.butcherbox.com/THEOC and use code THEOC to get 1 pack of free bacon in EVERY box for the life of your membership plus $10 off your first order.  OLIPOP is much (much) lower in sugar than conventional sodas with only 2-5 grams of sugar from natural sources. No added sugar and tastes like the colas you grew up with.  Go to https://www.drinkolipop.com/THEOC to receive 20% off PLUS free shipping on your order.  Public Goods is the one-stop-shop for sustainable, high-quality everyday essentials made from clean ingredients at an affordable price. Everything from personal care and household products to coffee, toilet paper, shampoo, pet food, and more. Public Goods is your new everything store, thoughtfully designed for the conscious consumer.  Go to https://www.publicgoods.com/THEOC to receive $15 dollars off your first order with no minimum purchase.  Want a new credit card but not sure how to choose? You don't need to apply for the first offer you see in the mail. Credit Karma can help you zero in on the right option for you and apply with more confidence.  Go to https://www.creditkarma.com or download the Credit Karma app to find the right card for you.   Follow @rachelbilson, @themelindaclarke, and @autumn_resser on Instagram  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

While the boys visit The Nana in Miami and get into some trouble, Marissa and Trey hang out back in Newport with some disastrous results. It is a difficult one to even discuss but a very important conversation. Follow @themelindaclarke and @cgmir on Instagram. Stay tuned to Reddit r/theOC, the Beyond the OC YouTube channel and Melinda and CG's Instagrams for our upcoming deep dives so your questions can be answered on the show.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Actress and super-fan of The O.C, Kristine Froseth joins Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke in the clubhouse to discuss, Season 3 Episode 1, “The Aftermath.” Kristine speaks about her love of The O.C and how she and her sister, Benedikte have binged the series many times and that is Froseth's holiday tradition to watch all the Chrismukkah episodes. Rachel talks about filming the scene on the sailboat and Melinda talks about her love for Jimmy Cooper aka Tate Donovan.  Jimmy and Julie spin-off anyone?  Later, Benedikte joins Kristine for some trivia questions that are all about The O.C.  The Aftermath synopsis:  Ryan and Marissa deal with the aftermath of Trey’s shooting, who is now in a coma, and the District Attorney is pressuring them to get the full story.   Meanwhile, Julie does whatever it takes to make sure Marissa does not go to jail and wants to know what the status is of Caleb’s will.   And Kristen is still in rehab and meets a friend, Charlotte.  Leave the OC, Bitches a message: https://www.speakpipe.com/ocbitches Right now is the perfect time to try out Peloton. The Peloton Bike+ is now $500 less, it's the best price yet! Including FREE delivery and setup. And there are more game-changing prices available on the original Peloton Bike and Peloton Tread. Visit https://www.onepeloton.com to learn more.  Hiya children’s vitamins fill in the most common gaps in modern children’s diets to provide the full-body nourishment our kids need with a yummy taste they love. Go to https://www.hiyahealth.com/theoc to receive 50% off your first order.   Rackuten is an online shopping platform that rewards you for shopping.  Receive cash back when you shop at thousands of merchants across almost every category.  Start all your shopping trips at https://www.rakuten.com or get the Rakuten app to start saving today.  Ready to find the right credit card for you?  Head to https://www.creditkarma.com or download the Credit Karma app to find the card for you and show you the offers that are tailored to your financial situation.  Follow @rachelbilson, @themelindaclarke, and @kristine_froseth on Instagram   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Join the original OC bitches, friends and co-stars Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke, for a trip back to the early 2000s. Zip up your Juicy Couture tracksuits and grab a seat by the pool while they deliver the ultimate OC-rewatch podcast. Each week they'll take you back to a particular episode, share behind-the-scenes scoop, and interview guests who were part of the OC experience. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week Melinda and CG kick off Beyond the OC with their OC Rewind deep dive into the fan's 50th favorite episode, The Goodbye Girl. After a quick overview of storylines, they look in-depth into the Seth and Anna storyline, answering fan questions and analyzing that entire plot line.  Follow @themelindaclarke and @cgmir on Instagram. Stay tuned to Reddit r/theOC, the Beyond the OC YouTube channel and Melinda and CG's Instagrams for our upcoming deep dives so your questions can be answered on the show.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Melinda and CG sit down for a roundtable to discuss the release of the book, Welcome to the OC: The Oral History, written by Alan Sepinwall, Josh Schwartz and Stephanie Savage! They are joined by our very special guests, Ryan and Mike from The O.C. Disorder podcast, and Ryan, Dylan and Chelsea from Keeping Up with the Cohens. Follow @themelindaclarke and @cgmir on Instagram. We're back next week with the official launch of Beyond the OC! We will be starting with the fans 50th favorite episode, "Goodbye, Girl" Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Today, fan favorite Michael Cassidy joins Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke to answer your fan questions in a never before seen bonus content that we wanted to share with our dedicated OC fans, Merry Christmasakuh! If you’re not already, make sure you’re subscribed to the old feed, now known as Beyond the OC, and find us on a brand new YouTube feed called Beyond the OC, and look out for brand new episodes launching in January! New episodes will be premiering in January! Vote for your favorite OC episode here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1qVyZ6NukRxCPqrPpmnVN8LJTJUr6CSkF51ayjOGkgGA/edit Follow @themelindaclarke, @rachelbilson and @michaelcassidyactor on Instagram Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to Beyond the OC- this spinoff podcast is YOUR ultimate fan destination! "Beyond The OC" isn't just about rehashing the past; it's about celebrating it in new ways! My co-host and daughter, CG and I will not only be reminiscing about the show, but we're also inviting YOU to join us in shaping the content. New episodes will be premiering in January but until then we will be dropping EXCLUSIVE Welcome to the OC, Bitches content! This week, Rachel Bilson and I did a special question and answer zoom session with our Patreon fans back in June when we wrapped the podcast that we wanted to share all with you and thank you for your continued support for The OC! Merry Christmasakuh! If you’re not already, make sure you’re subscribed to the old feed, now known as Beyond the OC, and find us on a brand new YouTube feed called Beyond the OC, and look out for brand new episodes launching in January! Vote for your favorite OC episode here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1qVyZ6NukRxCPqrPpmnVN8LJTJUr6CSkF51ayjOGkgGA/edit Please support our sponsor: Get 20% off with free shipping at https://www.manscaped.com, and use code OC20. Say Ho Ho Ho to a well groomed mistletoe with Manscaped. Follow @themelindaclarke and @rachelbilson on Instagram Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

“Beyond The OC" takes you on a new journey into our beloved show. Hosted by Melinda Clarke and her daughter CG Mirich, this fan-centric spinoff podcast invites you to shape the content alongside us. We're exploring hidden gems suggested by fans, not just reminiscing, but crafting a community-driven journey into the series. Join us to celebrate the top 50 episodes chosen by fan input, alongside special guests that you’re definitely going to recognize, including original cast, crew, and industry experts from various shows. Delve into their behind-the-scenes stories, gaining fresh perspectives on The OC and the wider entertainment industry—taking you BEYOND The OC! Vote for your favorite episodes here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1qVyZ6NukRxCPqrPpmnVN8LJTJUr6CSkF51ayjOGkgGA/edit Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBHIQ2RXefkvj71cDOYDDIQ   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke are back with more additional bonus content for our OC Fans.  Joining us today, is Josh Schwartz and Stephanie Savage to discuss the release of the book, Welcome to the OC, written by legendary tv critic Alan Sepinwall, Josh and Stephanie! Josh and Stephanie discuss with us how the book came about and go deeper into some of the topics that come up in the book. This is definitely a MUST listen for fans of The O.C.   Lastly, we have an exclusive offer for our podcast listeners, https://www.hc.com/welcometotheoc and buy the book from HarperCollins. Enter the code The OC for free shipping and 15% off at check-out!   Follow @rachelbilson, @themelindaclarke and @joshschwartz76 on Instagram    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The episode kicks off with Sandy visiting Ryan in juvie again—déjà vu from the pilot. The arson charges have been dropped but Ryan is stayin due to that whole “stole a car” thing. Cranky, grounded Seth tries to sneak off to visit him, dragging Kirsten along since she can't endure The Real Newpsies Of Newport gals planning Casino Night anymore. In juvie, Ryan defends Kirsten from a “flirty” inmate so back home, Sandy finds Ryan and Seth playing video games, sparking a "what are we gonna do with this kid?" moment with kirsten. Julie runs her mouth at a coffee shop, with Sandy in earshot, leading to a delightful verbal whipping and learning from Jimmy that Kirsten is footing the bills! Ryan’s mom, Dawn, makes a dramatic entrance, claiming she's cleaned up, but Ryan is skeptical. The Vegas Night is a whirlwind: Dawn turns into a spectacle as a drunk blackjack whiz, Julie won’t shut up about the $100K, Marissa pines for Luke and Ryan and Stanley, Sid or Seth becomes Summer’s lucky charm at the craps table. Dawn decides to leave Ryan with the Cohens, admitting Kirsten is the better mom. Ryan, with a mix of relief and sadness, watches his mom leave and embraces his new life with the Cohens. Our guest today needs no introduction! The one and only Tate Donovan! Follow @themelindaclarke and @cgmir on Instagram. Stay tuned to Reddit r/theOC, the Beyond the OC YouTube channel and Melinda and CG's Instagrams for our upcoming deep dives so your questions can be answered on the show. Blissy - visit https://www.blissy.com/ocpod to get 30% off BetterHelp - visit https://www.betterhelp.com/beyondoc to get 10% off your first month Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke are back on the OC Main feed with some additional bonus content just in time for Chrismukkah!       Not only are we back to celebrate our 20th anniversary of the show, but also the book release of Welcome to the OC, written by legendary tv critic Alan Sepinwall and our captains, creator, Josh Schwartz and executive producer Stephanie Savage– that is on-sale now!!     Today's episode features our in-depth interview with Alan Sepinwall. Hear about how he came to write the Welcome to the OC book and what he uncovered while writing, a must watch or listen!     Lastly, we have an exclusive offer for our podcast listeners, https://www.hc.com/welcometotheoc and buy the book from HarperCollins.   Enter the code The OC for free shipping and 15% off at check-out!     Please give @rachelbilson, @themelindaclarke and @sepinwall a follow on Instagram.     Please support our sponsor:  Ladies, give your man the gift of Manscaped this holiday season. Go to https://www.manscaped.com and use code OC20 for 20% off and free shipping.   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It’s a special bonus episode! Superfans Ryan Haley and Mike Gravagno, of the OC Disorder podcast join Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke in the clubhouse to discuss the top moments from season 2 of The O.C.  Hear what they chose at the top moments of season 2 were and what top out as their favorite, was it Marissa throwing patio furniture in the pool or Spider-Man kiss? Ryan and Mike also discuss their favorite characters, and how much impact The O.C had on pop culture. The tables are turned later on when Ryan and Mike ask Rachel and Melinda some burning O.C. fan questions.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It’s a special bonus episode with screenwriter, producer, and comic book creator, Allan Heinberg, joining Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke in the pool house. Hear about Allan’s start in writing/acting and how he came to be a writer on the OC. Allan also talks about what it's like to be in a writer's room, some of his favorite on-screen and off-screen moments from the OC, and what exactly is in the Seth Cohen starter pack. He also discusses how he got his start in comic books and the path to writing the Wonder Woman feature film. Also, hear some great Sex and the City trivia, a Grey’s Anatomy easter egg on the OC that no one knew about, and what exactly is the naked man test…   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Disclaimer: ***Hey everyone, this episode had some sound issues when we were recording, but still an enjoyable listen- thanks for being accommodating and listening to us every week!*** Logan Marshall-Green joins Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke in the clubhouse to discuss Season 2, Episode 24, “The Dearly Beloved.”  Logan talks about his theater background and how he and Ben Mckenzie actually met on a play, “Blue Bird” prior to The O.C. Logan answers fan questions, discusses the role of Trey, and of course the “Dear Sister” SNL parody skit of The O.C season 2 finale. Josh Schwartz also makes a surprise appearance and talks, Imogen Heap, how massive the Marissa and Trey scene really was and gives amazing behind-the-scenes details on some of your favorite scenes in the finale. This is definitely one episode you don’t want to miss! **Trigger Warning:  This episode contains sensitive material containing sexual assault, if want to skip ahead please avoid listening/viewing from 40:00 mins through 42:00 and again at 1:19:12 through 1:19:58 of the podcast. Help is always available for anyone struggling with the trauma of sexual assault, RAINN is the nation’s largest anti-sexual violence organization and offers help to survivors, if you need to speak to someone, you can call their hotline at 1.800.656.HOPE. **  The Dearly Beloved Synopsis: Kirsten hits rock bottom after Caleb's funeral, prompting Sandy to stage an intervention Jimmy Cooper returns to Newport to renew ties with a mourning Julie. Jess convinces Trey into participating in a drug deal that turns into a shootout at the Bait Shop nightclub. And, Ryan learns the truth about what happened between Trey and Marissa, leading to an epic confrontation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Rachel Bilson and Melinda Clarke are back with Michael Cassidy to continue their discussion of Season 2, Episode 23, The O.Sea.   Melinda gives us some behind-the-scenes scoop on filming the infamous pool scene and Caleb’s death scene. Michael and Rachel discuss their funniest behind-the-scenes moment from this episode and yes, it’s almost as funny as the vespa scene. They also discuss Coldplay's big hit, “Fix You” and of course, George Lucas!  **Trigger Warning: This episode contains sensitive material containing sexual assault, if want to skip ahead please avoid listening/viewing from 21:00 through 24:45 of the podcast. Help is always available for anyone struggling with the trauma of sexual assault, RAINN is the nation’s largest anti-sexual violence organization and offers help to survivors, if you need to speak to someone, you can call their hotline at 1.800.656.HOPE. **  The O.Sea synopsis: Zach and Seth are faced with a challenging dilemma that falls on the same night, who should take Summer to prom and who should go and meet George Lucas to discuss the publishing of their graphic novel. Ryan, suspicious of Trey and Marissa's odd behavior, tries to piece together what happened to them while he was in Miami. Meanwhile, Sandy takes extreme measures to help a recovering Kirsten. And to avoid going broke, Julie decides to poison Caleb but it takes a surprising turn.   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices