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Beyond The Checklist

National Association for Accreditation Leadership

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Frequency: 1 episode/10d. Total Eps: 20

Beyond the Checklist is the go-to podcast for public safety professionals, leaders, and accreditation experts dedicated to driving excellence in public safety organizations. Each episode dives into the practical aspects of the accreditation process, showcasing real-world success stories, challenges, and strategies that help agencies meet and exceed best practice standards. With interviews from top accreditation leaders, public safety officers, and industry experts, this show brings to light the actionable steps that agencies can take to earn and maintain accreditation and community trust.

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BTC - Episode 20 - Joe Race Part 2

Season 1 · Episode 20

Friday, January 16, 2026 • Duration 36:54

Accreditation isn’t about checking boxes—it’s about what you learn along the way.

In this episode, Joe Race of the Daigle Law Group challenges one of the most common traps in public safety accreditation: doing the work simply to satisfy a standard.

From community surveys to use-of-force analysis, Joe breaks down why these processes lose their value when they’re treated as paperwork exercises—and how they become powerful tools when agencies approach them with genuine curiosity, leadership intent, and a commitment to improvement.

This conversation goes beyond compliance to explore:

Why intent matters more than documentation
How accreditation can drive meaningful organizational learning
What leaders miss when data is collected but not truly examined
How caring about outcomes—not optics—builds trust internally and externally

If you’re an accreditation manager, executive, assessor, or public safety leader who believes accreditation should strengthen culture, accountability, and legitimacy—not just fill a file—this episode is for you.

🎧 Listen in and rethink what it really means to “do it for accreditation.”

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BTC - Episode 19 - Joe Race

Season 2 · Episode 19

Friday, January 9, 2026 • Duration 50:21

In this episode of Beyond the Checklist, we sit down with Joe Race—public safety attorney, former police captain, accreditation manager, and national assessor—to explore why “we don’t do it for accreditation.”

Drawing on his experience as a Marine Corps veteran, FBI National Academy graduate, and CALEA accreditation leader, Joe challenges the compliance-only mindset and reframes accreditation as a strategic accelerator for organizational excellence, risk reduction, and cultural improvement.

This conversation goes beyond standards and checklists to examine leadership mindset, liability mitigation, and how accreditation can strengthen public trust and operational legitimacy across public safety disciplines.

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BTC - Episode 18 - Dr Kimberly Miller

Season 1 · Episode 17

Friday, November 7, 2025 • Duration 55:58

Beyond the Checklist: Wellness That Works with Dr. Kimberly Miller (Part 3)
In this powerful third episode of our four-part series, host Kevin Rhea sits down once again with Dr. Kimberly Miller to tackle one of the most pervasive challenges in public safety and compliance work—burnout.

High performers often drive the success of their organizations—but they’re also the ones most at risk of exhaustion, disengagement, and even despair. Dr. Miller explores why burnout isn’t just about external pressure but also the internal stories we tell ourselves about rest, productivity, and purpose. Together, Kevin and Dr. Miller explore how to establish genuine boundaries, model wellness as leaders, and support the individuals behind the process—not just the programs.

This episode is raw, honest, and for anyone working in high-stakes, high-stress environments. Whether you’re managing accreditation, leading a team, or simply trying to find balance, this conversation offers practical insight into creating wellness that actually works—not just another checkbox.

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BTC - Episode 17 - Nancy Lundy

Friday, October 31, 2025 • Duration 47:00

From Hurricanes to Leadership—The South Carolina Story 🌪️➡️👩‍💼

In this inspiring episode, host Kevin Rhea heads to the Palmetto State to spotlight one of the most active and collaborative accreditation coalitions in the nation—the South Carolina Police Accreditation Coalition (PAC). Kevin sits down with Nancy Lundy, a longtime accreditation leader who turned a chance encounter during a hurricane response into a lifelong commitment to helping agencies thrive through accreditation.

Nancy shares how South Carolina’s community of accreditation managers has grown into a powerful support network that trains, mentors, and uplifts agencies across the state—proving that accreditation is far more than paperwork. It’s a culture of accountability, learning, and leadership.

🌪️ A Hurricane and a Calling: How a natural disaster sparked Nancy’s passion for accreditation.
🧩 Accreditation as Care: Why compliance is really about caring for people—not just checking boxes.
🤝 Coalition Culture: How South Carolina’s PAC has built a mentoring network of 84 agencies strong.
🧭 From Process to Purpose: How PAC training, one-on-one mentorship, and peer collaboration drive real change.
🏛️ Statewide Impact: The effect of new legislation requiring compliance with nine state standards—and how accreditation helps agencies go further.
💬 Leadership Lessons: The role of accreditation managers as emerging leaders and culture shapers within their organizations.
💡 Admitting Mistakes: Why transparency and accountability are central to professional policing.
🔗 Technology and the Future: The balance between AI and human insight in maintaining accreditation integrity.

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BTC - Episode 16 - Dr. Sonya Johnson

Season 1 · Episode 16

Friday, October 24, 2025 • Duration 51:44

Welcome back to Beyond the Checklist, the official podcast of the National Association for Accreditation Leadership — where we explore how accreditation drives reform, trust, and excellence in public safety.

In this episode, I’m joined by Dr. Sonya Johnson from the Savannah Police Department — a dynamic leader and expert in organizational culture, higher education, and accreditation.

Together, we dive into the power of culture and accountability, how accreditation can be re-imagined as a tool for continuous improvement, and why leadership’s “why” behind accreditation makes all the difference.

Dr. Johnson shares incredible insights on aligning citizen-centric service with internal accountability, building organizational buy-in, and transforming accreditation from a checkbox exercise into a cornerstone of professional excellence.

Stay tuned — this conversation will challenge the way you think about culture, compliance, and the true purpose of accreditation in public safety.

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BTC - Episode 15 - Dr. Kimberly Miller - Part 2

Season 1 · Episode 15

Friday, October 17, 2025 • Duration 01:04:51

In Part 2 of our conversation with Dr. Kimberly Miller, we dive into the art and challenge of having the hard conversations that leaders often avoid. From confronting toxic behaviors and burnout to delivering uncomfortable feedback across your organization, Dr. Miller provides practical insights for turning difficult discussions into meaningful opportunities for growth and culture change.

Join us as we explore:

Why leaders shy away from hard conversations and the ripple effects on culture, retention, and hiring
How self-awareness, humility, and self-care strengthen a leader’s ability to confront organizational challenges
Strategies for communicating tough messages across the chain of command without creating resistance
Turning courageous dialogue into lasting cultural transformation

If you’re a leader committed to building trust, accountability, and a culture that truly reflects your mission and values, this episode is for you.

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BTC - Episode 14 - Lonnie Lemons & David Taylor

Season 1 · Episode 14

Friday, October 10, 2025 • Duration 57:42

In this episode of Beyond the Checklist, host Kevin Rhea sits down with two legends in the world of accreditation and corrections — Lonnie Lemons and David Taylor. Together, they share over 60 years of experience in law enforcement, corrections, and accreditation leadership.

From developing national standards and leading accreditation boards to training the next generation of public safety professionals, Lonnie and David have dedicated their careers to building safer, more effective organizations.

Tune in as we explore:

Why accreditation is about excellence, not just compliance
Lessons in leadership, culture, and teamwork from decades in the field
The evolution of accreditation and where it’s headed next

If you’re a public safety professional, accreditation manager, or anyone passionate about organizational excellence — this conversation is for you.

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BTC - Episode 13 - Halcyon Frank

Season 1 · Episode 13

Friday, October 3, 2025 • Duration 35:27

In this episode, we sit down with Halcyon from Under the Headset, a leader in public safety training who is redefining how agencies approach learning and development. Halcyon shares her journey into public safety, what inspired her to launch Under the Headset, and why she believes training must go beyond policies and checklists to truly connect with people.

As she prepares to join NAAL on October 9th for an exclusive complacency training session, Halcyon unpacks what complacency looks like in dispatch centers and public safety environments, why it poses real dangers, and how small shifts in mindset can make a big difference. We also dive into her people-centered training philosophy, practical ways agencies can fight complacency, and the role of strong training in driving accreditation and organizational excellence.

Along the way, Halcyon reflects on lightbulb moments from her trainings, the most rewarding parts of her journey, and the advice she’d give her younger self starting out in public safety.

If you want to understand why training matters, how to reimagine it in your own agency, and what to expect from NAAL’s upcoming October 9th session, this conversation is for you.

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BTC - Episode 12 - Kevin Rhea

Season 1 · Episode 12

Friday, September 26, 2025 • Duration 26:19

This week on Beyond the Checklist, we’re doing something a little different. Instead of hosting a guest, our host Kevin Rhea takes the mic solo to share his own story, his passion for accreditation, and the vision behind the National Association for Accreditation Leadership (NAAL).

Kevin’s journey in public safety began in 1993 as a 911 dispatcher in metro Detroit, eventually leading him into patrol, investigations, supervision, training, union leadership, accreditation management, and national-level program development. Along the way, he learned firsthand how accreditation isn’t about binders or plaques—it’s about trust, accountability, and culture change.

In this episode, Kevin opens up about:

How his career experiences shaped his deep respect for every public safety discipline.
Why accreditation matters far beyond compliance, and how it builds confidence and credibility.
The vision for NAAL as the professional home for accreditation managers and assessors across law enforcement, fire, EMS, corrections, communications, and emergency management.
How membership in NAAL creates community, provides training, advances recognition, and amplifies the “why” of accreditation.

Whether you’re an accreditation manager, assessor, chief, or simply someone who believes in raising standards in public safety, this episode will give you a clear picture of why accreditation leadership matters—and how you can be part of the movement.

Because in Kevin’s words: “Accreditation isn’t about checklists. It’s about trust.”

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BTC - Episode 11 - Neal Rossow and Stephanie Erb

Season 1 · Episode 11

Friday, September 19, 2025 • Duration 41:56

In this episode of Beyond the Checklist, NAAL Co-Founder and Executive Director Kevin Rhea sits down with Deputy Director Neal Rossow and newly appointed Advisory Board Member Stephanie Erb to reflect on NAAL’s first 120 days and look ahead to the future. Together, they discuss the progress the association has already made in uniting accreditation managers and assessors across all public safety disciplines and the exciting opportunities that lie ahead for professional development, networking, and advocacy.

Kevin, Neal and Stephanie also share their own accreditation journeys—the challenges, lessons learned, and the moments that showed them why accreditation is essential to building strong, accountable, and resilient agencies.

Whether you’re new to accreditation or a seasoned assessor, this episode offers both inspiration and practical insights into how NAAL is working to elevate the profession and support the people doing the critical behind-the-scenes work of public safety.

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