From search and content to product, data, and strategy, we dive into the ideas and conversations that go beyond SEO.
Each episode takes you inside candid conversations with marketers, founders, and digital leaders who turn complex business challenges into measurable success.
Hosted by the team at Growthack, an award-winning SEO consultancy, Beyond SEO cuts through the hype to uncover the systems, data, and mindset behind sustainable online growth.
In Episode 14 of Beyond SEO®, Kevin Kapezi and Glen Chamisa sit down with Edd Wilson, who leads Organic Growth at Frontify, to break down what actually drives growth in modern B2B SaaS.
This isn’t a conversation about rankings or traffic.
It’s about how SEO has evolved into a cross-functional growth system that connects product, brand, content, and commercial performance in the AI era.
From working across product marketing and CRO to aligning with sales and revenue teams, Edd shares how Frontify approaches organic growth as an orchestration problem rather than a channel.
What You’ll Learn
– Why SEO as a silo is fundamentally broken in SaaS
– How Frontify connects SEO with product marketing and brand
– The shift from traffic metrics to revenue and opportunity value
– How AI search is changing discovery, positioning, and visibility
– Why most SaaS content strategies fail to drive real business impact
– How to use sales calls, CRM data, and customer insights to shape strategy
– What “organic growth” actually means in a modern B2B organisation
🧠 Key Insight
Organic growth today is not about ranking pages.
It’s about orchestrating visibility across channels, aligning messaging across teams, and translating that into commercial outcomes.
As Edd puts it, the real shift is moving from SEO as execution to SEO as orchestration across the entire business.
🎯 Who This Is For
– B2B SaaS founders and marketing leaders
– In-house SEOs and growth teams
– Agencies working with SaaS or enterprise clients
– Anyone navigating AI search, LLMs, and modern discovery
About Beyond SEO®
Beyond SEO® explores what actually drives growth in modern search.
From SEO and content to product, data, and commercial strategy, each episode breaks down how leading brands are building visibility, trust, and revenue in a changing search landscape.
Connect with Edd: https://www.linkedin.com/in/eddwilson/
Frontify: https://www.frontify.com/
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Beyond SEO & Edd Wilson
01:00 From SEO to Organic Growth Thinking
02:00 Why SEO Should Not Be Siloed
04:00 AI Search & The Shift in Discovery
06:00 Agency vs In-House: The Commercial Gap
09:00 Why Traffic Is the Wrong Metric
12:00 Reporting on Revenue, Not Clicks
14:00 Getting Access to CRM & Sales Data
17:00 Using Customer Conversations for Strategy
19:00 Brand Is No Longer Separate from SEO
21:00 Working Across Product, Brand & Growth
23:00 What Makes Great Modern SEOs
26:00 CRO, Website Strategy & “SEO as Systems”
29:00 Quick Wins: Using PPC Data for SEO
32:00 Building an Organic Growth Function
35:00 Aligning with Product Teams
37:00 SaaS Content Strategy That Actually Converts
41:00 Orchestrating Content Across Channels
45:00 Why SEO Budgets Lag Behind Paid
47:00 AI Search, LLMs & The Future of SEO
51:00 90-Day Growth Plan for SaaS
54:00 Final Thoughts & Closing
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In this episode of Beyond SEO, Kevin Kapezi and Glen Chamisa sit down with Matt Daley, founder of RUNWAY FIVE, to explore the realities of growing, exiting, and rebuilding in digital marketing.
Episode Topics
• Building and exiting a digital agency
• The identity shift after leaving a business
• Moving to Spain and designing a better lifestyle
• Why many digital ad campaigns fail
• Aligning paid media, SEO, and growth strategy
• The rise of the Fractional CMO model
• Building RUNWAY FIVE
Matt shares his journey from building a digital agency over more than a decade, navigating a management buyout, and eventually stepping away to rethink his next chapter. The conversation dives into the strategic and emotional realities of leaving a business that defined your identity for years.
We also explore the bigger picture behind performance marketing today. Matt breaks down the fundamentals of profitable digital advertising, why many brands believe their ads “don’t work,” and what marketers should check before changing budgets or creative.
Finally, we discuss Matt’s new venture RUNWAY FIVE, his shift toward consultancy and strategic advisory, and how the Fractional CMO model is helping brands connect paid media, SEO, and broader growth strategy.
This episode is a must-watch for founders, marketing leaders, and agency owners thinking about the future of performance marketing.
00:00 Introduction to Beyond SEO
Why Marketing Data Goes WRONG (learn how to fix it) with Thierry Ngutegure | Beyond SEO® EP12
Season 1 · Episode 12
Friday, February 27, 2026 • Duration 01:12:51
Data isn’t the problem. The way marketing teams use it is.
In EP12 of Beyond SEO, Glen sits down with Thierry Ngutegure, Head of Data Storytelling at Six Chillies, to unpack why marketing data often fails to drive decisions — and how to fix it.
From a broken reporting culture to fragmented dashboards and stakeholder misalignment, this episode explores why more data rarely leads to more clarity.
Thierry shares how he went from biological sciences to digital PR to leading insight teams, and why he calls himself a “data translator” — sitting between technical analysts and decision-makers to turn overwhelming data into clear stories that drive action.
This episode covers:
• Why most marketing reporting fails stakeholders
• The “Why → How → What” framework for data storytelling
• How large brands misuse data through fragmentation
• The confidence gap stopping teams from challenging insights
• What AI gets wrong about data (trust and taste)
• Why taste will matter more than ever in an AI-driven world
• The mindset shift required to move from implementer to strategic leader
Thierry also shares why he did stand-up comedy to overcome public speaking fear, how to build a cross-department data culture, and why “imposter syndrome” is something you should actively pursue.
If you work in SEO, paid media, analytics, insights, or marketing leadership and want your data to influence decisions, not just sit in reports — this episode is essential.
Chapters
Doughnotts: From £10 Side Hustle to Multiple Retail Stores with Wade Smith | Beyond SEO® EP11
Season 1 · Episode 11
Friday, February 13, 2026 • Duration 56:06
Doughnotts started with £10 and a side hustle mindset. Now it is multiple retail stores, big expansion plans, and a franchise model built around customer service.
In EP11 of Beyond SEO, Glen and Kevin sit down with Wade Smith to unpack the real story behind building one of Nottingham’s most recognised doughnut brands.
This episode covers the unglamorous bits people skip: learning by doing, brand naming battles, domain drama, retail economics, why business rates crush stores, and why Wade believes customer service outweighs product.
Chapters
00:00 Intro and guest welcome
00:55 Who Wade is and what Doughnotts is
02:12 The real origin story. Man vs Food, broke beginnings, first sales
07:19 Early lessons. Persistence, learning by doing, staying honest
08:14 Ego check. The Ferrari story and “business money is not your money”
13:57 Naming, rebrands, cease and desist letters, domains, trademarks
16:26 Becoming the face of the brand and managing public identity
25:26 Scaling decisions. Physical stores, supermarkets, and why Co-op did not work
26:40 The kiosk-on-wheels model. No rates, lower risk, faster expansion
29:04 Why experience matters. Lighting, vibe, and what brands like 200 Degrees get right
34:51 Online sales as a data engine, not just revenue
38:06 COVID. The bakery gamble, survival mindset, and the cookie pivot
40:05 If Doughnotts disappeared tomorrow. What Wade would do differently
42:28 UK investment reality. Due diligence, negotiations, underpromise and overdeliver
From Royal Marines to Building a Coffee Brand (And Becoming an SEO) – Luke Dalton | Beyond SEO® EP10
Season 1 · Episode 10
Friday, January 30, 2026 • Duration 54:36
In this episode of Beyond SEO, Glen and Kevin sit down with Luke Dalton — former Royal Marines Commando / UK Special Forces, now an SEO specialist and founder of Contact Coffee.
Luke breaks down what the military taught him about planning, resilience, and execution, and how those lessons translate into modern marketing — where the rules change fast, expectations are messy, and strategy only matters if you can actually implement it.
We also get into the real-world stuff most “marketing journeys” skip:
- The identity shift after leaving the forces
- Building a brand without a business plan (and why that sometimes works)
- Why social reach often doesn’t equal revenue
- Why email still outperforms most channels for intent + ROI
- Micro-influencers vs “big names” (and what actually worked for Contact Coffee)
- SEO expectations, agency checklists, and what business owners should focus on instead
- Luke’s side project that’s outranking major brands like Costa (with basic execution)
If you’re into marketing, entrepreneurship, e-commerce growth, or career transitions, this one’s for you.
Chapters:
00:00 – Intro: Beyond SEO + Luke joins (Royal Marines → SEO)
Inside Growthack: Technical SEO in 2026 — What Brands Need Now with Glen Chamisa | Beyond SEO® EP09
Season 1 · Episode 9
Wednesday, January 21, 2026 • Duration 25:39
In this episode of Beyond SEO, Kevin flips the script and interviews Glen Chamisa — Growthack’s technical SEO lead and the usual host of the show.
We go deep on what technical SEO really looks like in 2026: not just audits and jargon, but execution + stakeholder communication + commercial impact.
Glen shares how his computer science background shaped his approach, why many ecommerce brands (especially supplements, skincare and healthcare) build hidden technical debt as they scale, and why the SEOs who win next will be the ones who can “show their working” — like GCSE maths — and translate technical fixes into revenue outcomes.
What you’ll learn:
- Why technical SEO is getting its “moment” in the AI era
- How fast-growing brands outgrow crawlability, indexing and site architecture
- Why brand + paid can mask technical problems until it’s painful
- How compliance changes content velocity in supplements/health
- The skill gap for 2026: implementing + explaining (not just knowing)
- How to communicate SEO to COOs/finance-led stakeholders in ROI language
Chapters:
00:00 Intro + flipping the script (Kevin interviews Glen)
01:00 Why Glen joined Growthack (personal goals + team direction)
03:15 How Glen’s podcast built communication + hosting skills
06:00 Thinking “Beyond SEO”: how other disciplines improve SEO
10:05 Supplements/healthcare SEO: compliance vs speed (and why it matters)
GEO Explained: How to Win in AI Search Without the Hype | Beyond SEO® EP08
Season 1 · Episode 8
Wednesday, January 21, 2026 • Duration 26:56
AI search has spawned a new wave of acronyms, e.g. GEO, AEO, LLMO, and it’s creating confusion for brands and SEOs alike.
In this internal roundtable at Growthack, Kevin, Glen and Sarif break down what these terms actually mean, where “GEO” came from, and what’s genuinely changing (and what isn’t) as AI Overviews and zero-click behaviour reshape search.
We also talk openly about the commercial reality: prospects are asking for “AI search specialists”, even when the winning play is still strong fundamentals.
In this episode, we cover:
- Why GEO exists (and why it’s dividing the SEO industry)
- What AI Overviews and zero-click really change for traffic and intent
- The ethical line: educating clients vs selling jargon retainer
- What’s changed vs what hasn’t (content, technical, links still matter)
- Why brand sentiment, community and “off-site signals” are getting louder
- The practical 2026 focus: foundations first, then smart distribution
Key takeaway: if you’re not performing in traditional search, “AI SEO” won’t save you. Fix the basics first, then earn visibility everywhere your customers are.
If you want to talk through your SEO foundations, content strategy, or how AI search impacts your category, reach out:
Follow Growthack on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinkapezi/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/glen-chamisa/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarif-sarker/
Chapters:
00:00 – Intro: GEO, AEO, LLMO & AI Search (Too many acronyms)
Building Business Financial Clarity in 2026 with Jack Moore | Beyond SEO® EP07
Season 1 · Episode 7
Thursday, January 15, 2026 • Duration 40:10
In episode 7 of Beyond SEO, we’re joined by Jack Moore, founder of My Finance Function, to unpack what financial clarity really means for owner-led businesses heading into 2026.
What you’ll learn in this episode:
- Why cash flow matters more than profit for most businesses
- The biggest financial mistakes founders make when planning for growth
- When it makes sense to bootstrap vs raise investment
- How planned losses differ from uncontrolled burn
- The metrics business owners should actually be tracking
- Why marketing budgets are often cut first — and why that’s risky
- How AI and automation are changing finance (and where human judgment is still critical)
- What financial clarity should look like going into 2026
If you’re a founder, agency owner, SaaS operator, or running an owner-led business, this episode will help you think more clearly about money, growth, and decision-making in the year ahead.
00:00 – Welcome to Beyond SEO + introducing Jack Moore (My Finance Function)
00:52 – Jack’s background: from apprenticeship to audit → outsourced finance
03:26 – The #1 mistake founders make: only looking backwards at the numbers
05:06 – What outsourced finance actually does (and why it saves founders time)
06:33 – 2026 planning + the UK budget: minimum wage impact and pricing decisions
Inside Growthack: What Does the Future Look Like for a Specialist SEO Team? | Beyond SEO® EP06
Season 1 · Episode 6
Friday, November 28, 2025 • Duration 25:21
In Episode 6 of Beyond SEO, Glen Chamisa sits down with Founder Kevin Kapezi and SEO Strategist Sarif Sarker to explore the future of Growthack, from moving beyond a one-man consultancy to building a small, senior “special forces” SEO team.
Together they break down:
1. Why long-term 5-year plans don’t make sense in 2025.
2. The shift from consultant → leader.
3. How a lean expert team can outperform larger agencies.
4. The differences between B2B and eCommerce SEO.
5. What Growthack wants to achieve in the next five years.
6. Why specialist-led client relationships work better than account management layers.
If you’re a CMO, marketing leader or senior SEO looking to understand how small teams scale impact — this is the episode.
00:00 – Introduction
00:20 – Meet Kevin & Sarif
01:40 – Why 5-year plans don’t work anymore
02:20 – Growthack’s next 6–12 months
03:00 – From consultant to specialist team
04:30 – Technical, content and strategic roles
05:15 – Why specialists should stay client-facing
06:50 – What excites the team about the future
08:00 – “If you want to go far, go together”
09:00 – Kevin’s mindset shift from doing → leading
11:00 – Advice for SEOs wanting to hire their first team member
13:00 – Sarif: The impact of a proper team structure
Inside Growthack: 5th Year Anniversary & Sarif's Journey from Intern to Strategist | Beyond SEO® EP05
Season 1 · Episode 5
Thursday, November 27, 2025 • Duration 28:45
In this special 5-year anniversary episode of Beyond SEO, Glen (Host & Technical Lead) sits down with Kevin (Founder of Growthack) and Sarif (SEO Strategist) to look back at how Growthack went from a solo consultancy to a specialist SEO team working with leading B2B and eCommerce brands.
You’ll hear how Growthack started in 2020 while Kevin was still at Experian, why he chose to focus on smaller, high-impact clients, and how the Growthack brand, name and website were pulled together at the very beginning.
We also walk through Sarif’s full journey – from arriving in the UK, taking a chance on a marketing path, and joining Growthack as a content intern in early 2022… to becoming a full-time SEO Strategist owning content process, client communication, and commercial outcomes.
If you’re interested in SEO careers, building an agency, or how people actually grow inside a small specialist team, this episode is for you.
What you’ll learn in this episode
1. How Growthack started in 2020 during lockdown while Kevin was still at Experian
2. The story behind the Growthack name, branding, and first website
3. How Sarif joined as a 6-week intern and ended up creating his own role
4. Why real client work matters more than just “learning SEO” in theory
5. How content strategy at Growthack goes beyond “traffic” and into commercial value
6. Why SEO is 30–40% technical and 60–70% communication
7. How working across B2B, eCommerce and SaaS accelerates learning
8. Why Growthack is built as a platform for self-development, not just a job
00:00 – Intro: Welcome to Beyond SEO with Growthack
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01:10 Matt Daley’s background in digital marketing
03:45 Building a digital agency and early lessons
08:30 The inflexion points that drove agency growth
14:10 The reality of exiting an agency
18:45 Detaching identity from the business
23:30 Moving to Spain and designing a new lifestyle
27:40 When brands say “ads don’t work”
31:10 How paid media and SEO should work together
36:00 The shift to consultancy and Fractional CMO
41:00 Building RUNWAY FIVE
46:00 Advice for founders and marketing leaders
Guest Links
Connect with Matt Daley:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthewdaley/
RUNWAY FIVE
https://runwayfive.com/
About Beyond SEO
Beyond SEO is a podcast by Growthack exploring what truly drives modern marketing growth across search, content, data, and strategy.
Hosted by Kevin Kapezi and Glen Chamisa.
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Growthack.io helps brands go Beyond SEO, specialising in building SEO systems that drive revenue: combining technical, content, data-driven insights and AI-ready strategies to help businesses scale smarter. Practical, award-winning SEO that helps your brand stay discoverable, trusted, and ready for what’s next.
Growthack.io helps brands go Beyond SEO, specialising in building SEO systems that drive revenue: combining technical, content, data-driven insights and AI-ready strategies to help businesses scale smarter. Practical, award-winning SEO that helps your brand stay discoverable, trusted, and ready for what’s next.
Growthack.io helps brands go Beyond SEO, specialising in building SEO systems that drive revenue: combining technical, content, data-driven insights and AI-ready strategies to help businesses scale smarter. Practical, award-winning SEO that helps your brand stay discoverable, trusted, and ready for what’s next.
Growthack.io helps brands go Beyond SEO, specialising in building SEO systems that drive revenue: combining technical, content, data-driven insights and AI-ready strategies to help businesses scale smarter. Practical, award-winning SEO that helps your brand stay discoverable, trusted, and ready for what’s next.
Growthack.io helps brands go Beyond SEO, specialising in building SEO systems that drive revenue: combining technical, content, data-driven insights and AI-ready strategies to help businesses scale smarter. Practical, award-winning SEO that helps your brand stay discoverable, trusted, and ready for what’s next.
24:16 – Entities + being where customers are (YouTube, Reddit, communities)
26:28 – Final takeaway: levels to this — basics before advanced plays
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#AISearch
#GEO
#AEO
#LLMO
#SearchMarketing
#GoogleAIOverviews
#ZeroClickSearch
#TechnicalSEO
#BrandMarketing
#GrowthMarketing
Growthack.io helps brands go Beyond SEO, specialising in building SEO systems that drive revenue: combining technical, content, data-driven insights and AI-ready strategies to help businesses scale smarter. Practical, award-winning SEO that helps your brand stay discoverable, trusted, and ready for what’s next.
08:45 – “Kaplan Hall of Fame” AI mistake + what it teaches about verification
12:26 – Bootstrap vs raise: when external investment actually makes sense
16:33 – The danger of funding: overspending, losing discipline, repeating cycles
22:15 – The core metrics to track: cash runway, debtor days, gross vs net margin
30:23 – When bookkeeping isn’t the issue: making strategic decisions (hiring, capex)
32:00 – Finance in 2026: automation, dashboards, AI—plus hallucination risk
37:32 – Jack’s key advice for 2026: financial clarity isn’t a luxury anymore
38:49 – Where to find Jack + what My Finance Function is building next
With rising costs, minimum wage increases, tighter margins, and more pressure on cash flow, many businesses are still making decisions based on historical numbers rather than forward-looking insights. This conversation cuts through compliance, myths about growth, and surface-level reporting to focus on what actually keeps businesses alive and scalable.
About the guest
Jack Moore is the founder of My Finance Function, delivering outsourced finance operations for owner-led and growing businesses. With a background in audit, compliance, and strategic finance, Jack helps businesses move beyond bookkeeping and into real financial decision-making.
Useful links
🔗 Connect with Jack on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackmoore7/
🔗 Learn more about My Finance Function:
https://www.myfinancefunction.com/
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16:30 – Why B2B is more interesting than people think
18:00 – Patience + buying cycles in B2B
19:10 – Glen: Why Growthack can compete with bigger agencies
20:00 – Recent client wins & performance stories
21:00 – How Growthack builds trust with clients
22:00 – What Growthack wants to be saying in 5 years
24:00 – Final thoughts & how to get in touch
Work with Growthack
We help eCommerce and B2B brands improve technical SEO, fix data issues, navigate migrations and unlock sustainable growth.
We only take on clients who fit our specialist model.
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Growthack.io helps brands go Beyond SEO, specialising in building SEO systems that drive revenue: combining technical, content, data-driven insights and AI-ready strategies to help businesses scale smarter. Practical, award-winning SEO that helps your brand stay discoverable, trusted, and ready for what’s next.
00:18 – Growthack’s 5th Year Anniversary & Team Reflections
01:02 – From Solo Consultant to Specialist SEO Team
02:06 – Sarif’s Journey: Joining Growthack in Early 2022
03:14 – How Growthack Started in 2020 (Experian, lockdown, side projects)
04:09 – Choosing the Name “Growthack” & DIY Branding
04:57 – Sarif’s Internship: Design, Content & Rebuilding the Website
06:00 – From Intern to Junior Exec: Doing “a bit of everything”
07:02 – Learning SEO via YouTube + Real Client Work
08:20 – Moving into a Strategic Role & Owning Content
09:45 – Content Beyond Traffic: Commercial Value & ROI
11:00 – Why Real Conversations with Clients Shape Strategy
12:15 – Working Across B2B, eCommerce & SaaS (and why it matters)
13:06 – “It Depends”: Industry, context & hard conversations in reporting
13:35 – You Can’t Learn SEO Without Doing It
14:35 – Why Kevin Hired Sarif: Initiative, Websites & Freelance Work
15:35 – Sarif’s Background: From Bangladesh to the UK & Choosing Marketing
17:05 – Discovering SEO as an Introvert-Friendly Path (then realising it’s not just “behind a laptop”)
18:02 – SEO as Football: Technical vs Positioning & Communication
18:13 – Kevin: Technical SEO is 30–40%, Communication is 60–70%
19:21 – Building SEOs Who Can Sit in the Room with CMOs & Brand Leads
20:05 – University vs Real-World Experience in Marketing
20:45 – The Self-Development Piece: Why Growthack Exists
22:00 – Growthack as a Platform to Create Your Role
23:41 – How the Business Has Changed: Kevin Doing Everything → Real Team
24:56 – Glen & Sarif Taking Ownership, Freeing Kevin to Work on the Business
25:32 – Sarif Now: Full Lifecycle Ownership of Client Content
27:00 – Taking Responsibility & Fixing Problems Before Clients See Them
28:09 – Closing Thoughts & 5-Year Reflection
28:25 – Follow the Podcast & Get in Touch
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