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We're drinking a very yummy, very old, Momento Mori 2017 True Love Waits, and we're pairing it with Toblerone (thanks Em).

We're talking about the Cairns Botanical Gardens, and the forest boardwalk opposite, we're talking about mammal-eating Nepenthes, bending reo mesh and hoping to get results like Hannah Maloney

And Fox Gloves just made a sterile love child with an Isoplexis ... introducing the Digi Plexis

We're talking lupin, Skye from Hardscrabble Gardens, Blood and Bone, Peter Cundal, Springtime spraying, Tassie seasons, Morning routines, prepping for tomoatoes, and organising seeds by when to plant them.

 If you like Avant Gardeners, we would LOVE it if you could rate, review, subscribe, share with a friend, send us words of affirmation via DM. Whatever it takes. Thanks for being here. 

 

We're pretty excited bout this one -  we interviewed Josh van Cuylenburg, a musician, a filmmaker and one of the hosts on the wildly popular podcast The Imperfects. Josh's insights, curiosity and thoughtfulness makes him an absolute delight to listen to. 

If we didn't love him enough already, it was Josh's comments on an episode with Mark Mathieson, about the positive impact gardening has on him, that was the icing on the cake. 

Josh lives, works and tends to his garden on the lands of the Wurundjeri Woi-wurrung people of the Kulin Nation with his wife Sophie and two young sons.

Before we get into chatting to Josh we mention Cascade Bar and Brewery in Hobart - a great place for lunch / dinner in Hobart with sprawling gardens. We're talking bird baths, secret spots in gardens and front gardens. 

Josh recalls memories of his first garden and his mum has been wildly influential to his love of gardening and cooking. Josh talks about reinvigorating his garden in Preston, VIC, and how it's been an incredible connection to his local community. He talks about corn, guerilla gardening, Malley Ghost Gums.

Josh recommends Charmaine Soloman's The Complete Asian Cookbook and Paul Bangay's Guide to PlantsPlease enjoy. If you like Avant Gardeners, we would LOVE it if you could rate, review, subscribe, share with a friend, send us words of affirmation via DM. Whatever it takes. Thanks for being here. 

Sometimes we record an ep and listen back and it's slightly....unhinged.

IDK there must have been something in the bubbly water.

But here we go.

First up we're drinking a G+T with pear, but not with tonic. We're pairing it with a fancy Australian classic - the chocolate, aka 'fancy', scotch fingers.

The pear syrup was leftover from this truly delicious dessert - a Jamie Oliver Vin Santo Pear & Chocolate Tart. I don't know what Vin Santo is and have never used it - I just substitute it for water and its' still yum!

Maddie's been listening to News Time podcast on ABC with the kids, and loved the recent story about the Regent Honey Eaters. She's praising her past self for purchasing bioculars. She saw a bird she's never seen on her property before - it's the Beautiful Firetail and it is what it says on the box. Maddie and Emily are both loving bird books.

Maddie's been on Vul*a watch - baby cows have been born! We're talking happy animals, Gardening Australia Junior Podcast, and meeting people in the Avant Gardeners world IRL. 

Emily has had some pea success, and some accidental Hydrangea propogation success.

Maddie is recommending The Light Eaters by Zoë Schlanger (and drops in a previous rec called The Age Of Seeds by Fiona McMillan-Webster. 

Woah, we are back after a 2 month hiatus! We've missed you guys. 

First up we're interviewing Luen from Luen's Flowers.  She's is a DJ, producer and former Triple J host who recently had a career shake up, immersing herself in the world of flowers. Having set up her first flower farm in the NSW Northern Rivers area, Luen uses permaculture and organic principles to tend the soil and grow flowers for markets, DIY buckets and weddings. She hosts in-person workshops, runs 1 on 1 sessions online, and coaches others paving their own way with flowers. 

Luen specialises in roses, dahlias and daisies, and with a growing list of annuals, she now grows about 50 varieties.

Luen lives, works and tends to the soil with her partner Luke and dog Muzzy on Yuin Country on NSW's South Coast. Follow her on Instagram here. 

Before we get to this chat, Emily & Maddie are talking about seedlings and seasons, Banksia Roses, Abraham Darby Rose.

Luen has come to the party with a bottle of Shady Lane pet nat from Range Life Wine

We explore her travels to Colombia and what got her into gardening and farming, her life as a DJ, her gateway flower (hint: it was a Cosmos).  

Luen talks about Geoff Lawton at Zaytuna Farm and Charles Dowding (listen to his episode here) who have been some of her inspiration. Then we are wowed by the hard yards in moving her flower farm from Byron Bay to Milton on the South Coast in NSW. Luen shares 'healing in' with roses, how she trellises dahlias, her love of the humble daisy. 

Books we chat about:

The Permaculture Garden by Huw Richards (listen to his episode here) and 

Pansies: How to Grow, Reimagine, and Create Beauty with Pansies and Violas by Brenna Estrada 

Then we go on a stoicism tangent:

A guide to the Good Life by William B Irvine

Reasons Not To Worry: How To Be Stoic In Chaotic Times by Bridgid Delaney 

Please enjoy. If you like Avant Gardeners, we would LOVE it if you could rate, review, subscribe, share with a friend, send us words of affirmation via DM. Whatever it takes. Thanks for being here. 

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Greetings folks, Emily has whipped the top of a Fowler jar full of the taste of Summer - delicious apricots from Canes in Franklin Tasmania. They are heaven. We're eating them with Greek Yoghurt and Natasha Morgan's Rhubarb and Vanilla cordial

Maddie is dreaming of apricot and cardamom jam from the Far South Food Resiliance.

Maddie's Haka Multilineata is flowering, and she wants some white borage. She's optimistic about her Washington Orange, and loving the loan of her mum's battery operated secateurs.
Emily is going deep into rose pruning and bought herself some Le Sac Thorn Proof Gloves, she's using Pip's rose tips from The Garden at Moorfield.

We're gushing about Stephanie Alexander's approach to mealtime, and loving the Cook's Companion. 

We're talking about Phlomus, Sisyrinchium, Cushion Bush, Red Russian Kale  

Thanks for being here. 

-- Save 15% off everything when shopping. Use the code AGPOD15 here. This episode is proudly sponsored by Veggie and Flower Garden Seeds. With more than 900 varieties of veggie seeds, and unique and hard-to-find flower seeds, this is our go-to place to shop for garden goodies. Female founded, Bec sources freshest seed to help with your germination success. We love their amazing customer service, their helpful advice on getting the most out of your seed, and the range of stunning flowers and veggies they have available. --

Bess Scott grew up on a flower farm on the NSW Central Coast, surrounded by native blooms cultivated by her father - Craig Scott - and grandfather. Flowers weren't really the career plan, but having gained amazing floristry experience in Sydney and London, Bess developed her own appreciation for both European and Australian flowers.

In 2018, Bess and her partner Jack, founded BESS in Paddington, a floristry celebrating Australian native wildflowers and honouring her family's legacy, convincing customers one at a time how amazing native Australian flowers are.

Bess lives, works, and creates stunning installations and bouquets in Sydney with her now husband Jack and their two daughters, on the lands of Gadigal people of the Eora Nation.

 Before we get into Bess' chat, Emily and Maddie are chatting Proteas, Sydney Flower Market, pierre de ronsard roses, borage, Flannel flowers, edible violets and pansies, Emma Bowen's amazing blueberries at Sunday Farm, why you should maybe not blend your bananas with your blueberries.

Enjoy the episode!

-- Save 15% off everything when shopping. Use the code AGPOD15 here. This episode is proudly sponsored by Veggie and Flower Garden Seeds. With more than 900 varieties of veggie seeds, and unique and hard-to-find flower seeds, this is our go-to place to shop for garden goodies. Female founded, Bec sources freshest seed to help with your germination success. We love their amazing customer service, their helpful advice on getting the most out of your seed, and the range of stunning flowers and veggies they have available. --

We're bringing the holiday vibes with a Pandan Daiquiri, amended from this recipe, but in lieu of pineapple rum, I just used regular rum and added a dash of pineapple juice. Find frozen Pandan in at Asian Grocers. 
This was inspired by this hipster cafe in Bangkok, (and if you want to make your own pandan waffles at home, I highly recommend this recipe). 

We reflect on an episode that didn't go ahead in which we drank Mastiha and ate Emma Bowen's bougatsa. YUM.

We're dissecting Emily's amazing courtyard, filling everywhere with citrus. Emily's bought some Beth Chatto ornamental grasses. 

Maddie has a sick citrus tree that's down to two - actually make that one - leaf, and her son suggested we glue it on to boost its chances. 

Maddie has decided the only way to garden with children is to walk around with seceautears in hand. She's attempting to make cuttings of anything - wallflower, saltbush, salvias, pineapple sage, hydrangeas, penstemon. 

Emily just discovered Wallflowers!

Emily's recommendation is the new iteration of Fat Pig Farm - it's near us in Glaziers Bay, open for coffee, pastries, snacks, lunch and farm tours on the weekend.  

Maddie is recommending this Barebones lantern - it's USB rechargable, good for indoor or outdoor use, great for camping, outdoor dining, picnics, or the kids running round after dark!

 

-- Save 15% off everything when shopping. Use the code AGPOD15 here. This episode is proudly sponsored by Veggie and Flower Garden Seeds. With more than 900 varieties of veggie seeds, and unique and hard-to-find flower seeds, this is our go-to place to shop for garden goodies. Female founded, Bec sources freshest seed to help with your germination success. We love their amazing customer service, their helpful advice on getting the most out of your seed, and the range of stunning flowers and veggies they have available. --

Honey Atkinson first picked up a camera at age 15 and has worked as a full-time photographer for more than 20 years. We first came across Honey through her work photographing Compostable Kate's book, The Compost Coach, and have been big fans ever since.

Recently, her focus has been on working with quietly ambitious women in business. Honey regards her work as a practice in mindfulness, saying, "Searching for what is beautiful about life is a real gift."

Until she was six years old, Honey lived on a commercial fishing boat in Far North Queensland. These days, Honey lives, forages, makes sourdough and grows veggies on a 10-acre property on Djiringanj Country in New South Wales' Bega Valley with her partner, children, and mum.

We talk about Cathedral Thinking, Perfectionism, Reflecting on ourselves, colour pallettes, taking photos of your garden to look back on and see how far you've progressed, finding little snippets of time to garden.

 Honey talks about living on a boat for the first 6 years of her life, choosing to move south, integenerational living including things like domestic and economic division, the joys and chaos of having three generations under the one roof, and what gifts it brings to everyone. Her and her mum have a shared Pinterest board. There's SO much in this chat. Best to just listen :-)

-- Save 15% off everything when shopping. Use the code AGPOD15 here. This episode is proudly sponsored by Veggie and Flower Garden Seeds. With more than 900 varieties of veggie seeds, and unique and hard-to-find flower seeds, this is our go-to place to shop for garden goodies. Female founded, Bec sources freshest seed to help with your germination success. We love their amazing customer service, their helpful advice on getting the most out of your seed, and the range of stunning flowers and veggies they have available. --

Geez, having Poh on last week is a tough act to follow, but we're giving it a crack.

Emily has knocked the top off a Brothers Maclean 2024 Mencía, and we love this apt description of it: "Heavier than a pinot, but not too ballsy."

Emily's talking about her long Tomato season, we discuss split tomatoes, cucumbers, Tiny Farm Tas' CSA Flower seedling box, and annoyingly somoene threw out Em's poppy seeds.

Maddie's misidentifying things, has trouble noting down where things are sown.

Emily's discovered a Medlar tree on her property - she'll report back on her verdict of the fruit.

Maddie reckons No Mow May is great, and heard something funny (not for the dogs) on vet talk back radio. 

Maddie will use Milkwood' olive brining method for her 89grams of olives. 

Mountain peppers are being harvested, and we're excited to watch Clarkson's Farm Season 5 (old news now)

-- Save 15% off everything when shopping. Use the code AGPOD15 here. This episode is proudly sponsored by Veggie and Flower Garden Seeds. With more than 900 varieties of veggie seeds, and unique and hard-to-find flower seeds, this is our go-to place to shop for garden goodies. Female founded, Bec sources freshest seed to help with your germination success. We love their amazing customer service, their helpful advice on getting the most out of your seed, and the range of stunning flowers and veggies they have available. --

Poh Ling Yeow is an artist, author, cook, and TV host - one of the hosts of Masterchef Australia. She's also a relatively recent convert to gardening—but gee whiz, has she grabbed it with two hands!

​She doesn't call herself a chef, but she burst onto our screens in 2009 in the very first season of MasterChef. Since then, she's been a regular on TV, including her own series, Poh and Co., which followed the creation of her amazing garden.

​Poh explains that her "greed for life experience" has always made her creatively adventurous and willing to invite change. We think those are words to live by.

​Poh lives, cooks, creates, gardens, and tends to her bees - alongside her beloved dog Tim on Gah-na land in Adelaide, South Australia.

Before that we're chatting Miso - Maddie's obsessed with these miso chocolate biscuits, and this way of cooking cabbage that you're going to love (panko, miso and add some chilli - oh my!). 

Maddie is loving strawberries growing in pots, and reccomends this Bee Native florists hand balm

Poh talks about Braiding Sweetgrass by Robin Wall Kimmerrer, Maddie talks about Phosphorescene by Julia Baird

Poh also references The River Cafe cookbook, and Tickle Tank in Adelaide

--This episode is proudly sponsored by Willie Smith's Non-alcoholic Cider. Made from Organic Apples grown not far from us, we're big fan of this delightful non-alcoholic cider. It's more refined that apple juice, there's no added sugar, and it's something fancier than your standard sparkling water. It has that craft cider taste, and it's a great option if you aren't drinking, want just one less alcoholic drink, or feel like something a little different.  Enjoy 10% off their Non-Alcoholic ciders when using the code AG10 here --

We've knocked the top off a Willie Smith's Non Alc cider for this glorious episode. Not only do we enjoy their cider, but we love going to their Apple Shed too for some live music inside, let the kids run wild outside, a bowl of delicious potatoes or their yummy apple pie. 

We're chatting tree dahlias (again), scary snapdragon seed pods, encouraging Ravens in the chicken yard, the no-egg season, chicken curtains, the ridiculousness of the guinea fowl. We're looking at Scarab Beetles in a new light, Emily is planting out Dwarf Gums but needs to consider power poles (as do you if you purchase a property down here!). Emily is singing the praises of Buy From The Bush

 

--This episode is proudly sponsored by Willie Smith's Non-alcoholic Cider. Made from Organic Apples grown not far from us, we're big fan of this delightful non-alcoholic cider. It's more refined that apple juice, there's no added sugar, and it's something fancier than your standard sparkling water. It has that craft cider taste, and it's a great option if you aren't drinking, want just one less alcoholic drink, or feel like something a little different.  Enjoy 10% off their Non-Alcoholic ciders when using the code AG10 here --

Anna Matilda, aka The Urban Nanna specialises in teaching people about traditional skills, crafts and methods of living in a modern-day context. 

Anna's purpose is about reviving traditional ways of cooking, preserving, and crafting, always focusing heavily on permaculture principles to guide a sustainable lifestyle that's full of gardening and zero-waste practices.

Anna is a former primary school teacher with a horticultural background who has created The Urban Nanna to showcase and teach knowledge, methods and skills to people much like grandmas have done for generations. 

Anna lives, forages, preserves and works on the lands of the Wurundjeri Woi Wurrung and Bunurong Boon Wurrung peoples in Victoria, Australia.

We're eating Tony Chocoloney.

Maddie and Emily discuss Friction Maxxing, Visible Mending,

With Anna we delve into Carescapes and specifically Spoons theory. 

Anna's book is Everyday Permaculture

We discuss Ceres, Milkwood Permaculture, The Veggie Scientist, Autism and Neurodivergence, Catie from Reskilliance Podcast, Foraging and much more. Enjoy!

--This episode is proudly sponsored by Willie Smith's Non-alcoholic Cider. Made from Organic Apples grown not far from us, we're big fan of this delightful non-alcoholic cider. It's more refined that apple juice, there's no added sugar, and it's something fancier than your standard sparkling water. It has that craft cider taste, and it's a great option if you aren't drinking, want just one less alcoholic drink, or feel like something a little different.  Enjoy 10% off their Non-Alcoholic ciders when using the code AG10 at https://www.williesmiths.com.au/product/willie-smiths-non-alc --

We're back! Welcome to a new season of Avant Gardeners.

This is an Emily & Maddie episode where we start off with saffron and end on a recommendation that will have your veggies lasting much much longer in the fridge.

Maddie has grown a successful saffron crop, and now understands why it's so expensive, she's popped in a bunch of Gladiolus, there are kiwi fruits growing (we incorrectly said that kiwi don't ripen off the vine. This is untrue - they will ripen on your bench). Coriander are going off in the garden paths. Maddie is ambivilent about quinces. Emily is giving back to the local seed saving group, and has a great hack with pillow cases. She's recommending King of the Wilderness a story about the amazing Denny King, as a tree that was previously thought to be extinct has recently been discovered. King's Lomatia.

Emily is recommending The Swag. 

A big thank you to Willie Smith's Non Alcoholic Cider for being this episode's sponsor.   

Mitch Theissen has the enviable role of Head Gardener at the award winning Agrarian Kitchen in New Norfolk, just outside of Hobart.

Having grown up in the Huon Valley, born into a long line of apple farmers, Mitch started his career in the kitchen, first in Hobart, then Sydney, before spending time in Japan. It was here that his thoughts returned to agriculture and produce, and upon returning to Australia he sought out the next phase of his career, landing this dream gig a few years ago and being pivotal in what it looks like, and how it operates, today. 

Mitch lives, works and gardens with his partner, and young family on the land of the wulawali people in New Norfolk, in lutruwita/Tasmania's Derwent Valley.

Before we get to that, Emily and Maddie are (as well as talking over the top of each other -- sorry about that --) talking about radishes. Yep, that's about it.

We also talk about 

• Compost
• Soil
• Salad spinners (lol, yes)
• And maybe you need to rush out to buy some Japanese Salad Turnip Seeds. IYIYK
  
  Mitch is recommending Eliot Coleman's New Organic Gardener.

We're drinking a Baklava Old Fashioned - Maddie had leftover baklava syrup (sugar, water, cinnamon, honey) and has turned it into an old fashioned with burbon, amaretto and a dash of bitters. Absolutely delish!

Emily has scored herself the perfect harvest basket, and her benchtop is housing a hard-working dehydrator as she works through the abundance of nashi pears.

Maddie delves into the good and the bad dahlia chat. 

We discuss tree peonies and mimosa hydrangeas before delving into some questions that you - our amazing listeners - have asked of us. The ones we get into in this episode are:
-What are some things you wish you could grow, and what would you never grow
-How did you two meet?
-What are your favourite cocktails.

This was fun, and there are more questions to answer in future eps. Feel like asking us a question? Drop us a DM at @avantgardeners.podcast

 

This week's guest is the delightful, talented Rubie Gallagher. Rubie is an illustrator and micro flower farmer, who met Emily when she and her husband Max took a Calm Birth class ahead of their first child.

After an accident in 2019, Rubie she spent time in rehabilitation at the Royal Talbot Rehab Centre in Melbourne which our recent guest Steven Wells created. The two crossed paths there during Rubie's rehab. 

Since her accident, Rubie and her husband, along with some very helpful friends, have worked together to create Rubie's Flower Farm, a micro farm growing flowers for florists, DIY buckets and edible flowers out of Mount Rumney just outside of Hobart.

Rubie talks about memories from the rehab garden, what led her to create her farm, how gardening with a kid is bloody hard, and how she deals with the cold weather (hint: she draws). We talk about improving soil, taking cuttings, sneaking cuttings and not sweating the small stuff. 

Before we get to this great chat with Rubie, we're talking about geraniums, using kids to get away with things, roses in abundance, Elephant Garlic, Helen Goh's Pear & Caramel Self Saucing Pudding in the Good Weekend. 

Rubie recommends the following books during her chat:

• Phosphoresence, by Julia Baird
• If Women Rose Rooted, by Sharon Blackie

"Grass is going to grass, and weeds are going to weed." - Rubie Gallagher

We are back, and we felt like drinking something tried and tested, so Emily's cracked a Sigurd, Chenin Blanc.

Emily shares an unexpected stay in hospital, and she's got a lot of thoughts about the paediatric ward 'sgarden (very topical as we've recently spoken to Nurse and Therapeutic Horticulturalist Steven Wells - listen to that episode here).
Maddie interogates how Emily gets so many things done, so we go deep on lists.
Emily's planting garlic and spending time in her outdoor bath. 
We're processing tomatoes.
Maddie shares a story about South Sydney's jacaranda history, and a recent event at Longley Organic Farm that looked oh so wholesome. 
Emily has got on board Tiny Farm Tas's CSA, and is growing Romanesco.
Maddie has raspberry success, a scale scenario, and a twitch sitch. 

Maddie is recommending the benchtop bin from Bokashi One (use AG15 at checkout for 5% off).

We are the founding members of the Jac Semmler Fan Club. This is the second time we've been lucky enough to interview Jac, celebrating the launch of what will become an absolute gardening book staple, Flower Power.

In this episode we answer a bunch of your questions, including 
-How and should I pivot to horticulture
-How do I get my poppies to germinate
-What are some surprising performers in the garden

We talk about changing climate, bogan pronounciation of plant names, the amazing work Jac's doing at Super Bloom, and so much more.

Before we get to that:
Maddie and Em are drinking a dirty cacao (cacao powder, maple syrup, cinnamon, sea salt, shot of coffee), we're talking agastache, liquorice plant, planting in pots (inspired by Connie Cao), Flannel Flower, Succulents, Mother in Law's Tongue.

Thanks for being here. 

Emily & Maddie are back with so much chat this week. We go a little off topic, but that's pretty standard...right?

We cover:

• Philodendron
• Shrub (not of the plant variety!)
• Spent flowers are self seeding
• Ferment for Good - Sharon Flynn
• Justin O'Brien's self-seeding success
• Compost bins
• Proteas not opening
• Olive grove maintenance
• Drowning in Plums
• Different types of clematis - who knew!
• Emily is on the hunt for the perfect garden basket from op shops near and far. 

Next week we're so excited to be releasing our chat with the amazing Jac Semmler of Super Bloom!

Emily and Maddie were lucky enough to meet Steven in Victoria late last year, having followed his journey for a long time. Steven began his career as a nurse, before studying horticulture, with no intention of fusing the two. But he delved deeper into therapeutic gardens, gaining a Churchill Fellowship to help support research, and he started the Therapeutic Garden at the Royal Talbot Rehabilitation Centre nearly 20 years ago, providing immeasurable benefit to patients, their families, friends and staff.

Steven recently downsized from a much-celebrated garden in the Melbourne suburbs, Steven now has a lush veranda in the clouds, overlooking Melbourne's CBD. This downsizing has given him time and space to focus on other passions and projects in his life.

Steven lives, works and gardens in Naarm / Melbourne, on the traditional lands of the Kulin Nation.  

Before we get to Steven's chat, Maddie and Emily are dreaming of fields of sunflowers - Emily is reminiscing about her time in Europe with sunflowers and cosmos all around. Maddie is reminiscing of her time on a farm stay in Portugal while staying in a yurt. 

We ask Steven for his favourite Evergreen plants, which are:

• Agave Attenuata / Foxtail Agave
• Variegated aspidistra
• Bromeliads

And his tips for Textural Plants in a Sensory garden include Lambs Ear or Kalanchoe 'Oak Leaf'. 

It's a Maddie & Emily chat this week.

Maddie is loving (despite calling the colour urine-esque) the White Gate Co White Blend and if you're in Tassie go book and wine shopping at Five Leaves Left. 

Emily was creating new neural pathways and happened upon a great side-street garden stall. Win!

We're lamenting the end of cherry season, but enjoying choc-covered cherries from a local stall.

We're rolling (metaphorically, not literally) in peastraw and alpaca poo.

Lettuce is ON!

Emily has has success with a poppy (yes, just the one), and it's reminding her of her grandfather. Maddie's hollyhocks have popped and it's reminding her of her grandmother.

Emily is recommending Death and the Gardener, and Maddie is recommending Recipe Tin Eats' scone recipe but a shout out to Lady Flo's Pumpkin Scones too.

Jo Thompson is one of the UK's most celebrated garden designers, known for creating deeply romantic, naturalistic gardens that feel timeless, layered and full of atmosphere.  Her projects span the UK and abroad - from wildflower meadows in the English countryside to rooftop terraces in New York and coastal gardens in Italy and Brazil. 

She's a multiple award-winner at the RHS Chelsea Flower Show, with several Gold medals to her name, and her designs  - ranging from private landscapes to meaningful public projects - are widely admired. 

Beyond her design practice, she's a respected teacher, author and voice in the gardening world, sharing her knowledge through books, lectures and her much-loved newsletter, The Gardening Mind. Jo's work reminds us that gardens can be both art and refuge – spaces that connect us to beauty, memory and the natural world.

Before we get to Jo's chat, Maddie and Emily are talking about:

• Agapanthas (sorry!)
• Snakes
• Wildflower Meadows
• Emma Bowen of Rising Farm
• Sea salt and olive oil on vanilla icecream

Then we get into glorious Jo's chat and we cover a lot. Highlights include:

• Glasshouse Project
• Women in horitculture / at the Chelsea Flower Show
• Designing a garden
• Trypophobia
  
• Damsen Cocktail

Jo lists a bunch of her favourite roses:

Wild Rover
Meg - climber
The Lark Ascending
Felicite-Perpetue
Adélaide d'Orléans
Ghislaine de feligonde
Blush Noisette
Bengal Crimsen
Mutablis 
Gertrude JekyllMILsures
Olivia Rose Austin
Ispahan

We're baaaaaack! And with a slightly new format. We're trying out one week where we release our chat (longer version), and the following week we'll release our guest interview. It means we can get episodes out weekly. We'll trial it and see.

We've missed the podcast so it's awesome to be back. 

Emily has knocked it out of the park with a delicious mulberry bramble (gin, mulberry cordial from our friends' tree, blackberries, lime).

Having taken more than two months off, we have so much to chat about. 

 

Including, but not limited to:

Seed saving - calendula and platypus spinach,

Drying hydrangeas thanks to Anya The Garden Fairy

We're talking about Moths - they need a rebrand.

The Almanac, Cool Climate Sowing Guide

Alnwick Garden and Millie Fleur's Poison Garden (by Christy Mandin).

Aaaand lilacs, daphne, feverfew, calendula, compost bays. 

Catch up next week when we interview (omg!) Jo Thompson! 

Jodi Wilson is a bestselling author of four books, a health journalist and postpartum doula. Several years ago, she and her family packed their lives into a caravan, and set off in search of adventure, and a more simple life. After two years on the road they put down roots in Tasmania. It is here where she's embraced gardening, and written her most recent book, A Brain That Breathes, out today. 

Jodi lives, writes and gardens with her partner and their four children on the land of the punnilerpanner people in north western Tasmania

Before we get to this thought-provoking chat, Emily and Madeleine are drinking Archie Rose Straight Dry gin with some home made purple elderflower cordial.

Emily is regretting purchasing a Ginko tree, and the agapanthus keep rearing their ugly head. 
She is loving her Cerastium tomentosum - snow in summer - and Maddie's cutting is also doing quite well.

Maddie is obsessed with Sage, and wants to propagate more. She's also tried her hand at sage sticks. She's got a picnic blanket in the post and is excited for more outdoor eating-and-drinking sessions. Calendula is back, and in some beautiful colours, and she is recommending  Why Women Grow, by Alice Vincent.

Jodi has a HUGE list of books she recommends for summer, and or anytime. We've already read a couple of them and they are excellent. Can highly recommend her recommendations!

-The Mushroom Tapes by Chloe Hooper, Helen Garner, and Sarah Krasnostein
-Heart the Lover by Lily King
-Sandwich and Wreck by Catherine Newman
-The Octopus and I and A Catalogue of Love by Erin Hortle
-The Hiding Place by Kate Mildenhall
-The Ten Year Affair by Erin Somers
-Consider Yourself Kissed by Jessica Stanley

We're also banging on and singing the praises of libraries, AGAIN!

~ This season of Avant Gardeners is proudly supported by Blundstone's new series WorkLife. Launching in November and perfect for gardening. Find your local stockist here. ~

Emma Horswill was a madkeen gardener with a fine arts degree and a 9-acre block. With plans for a veggie garden and orchard, Emma turned her hand to flower farming in 2019, and since then has gone from strength to strength. 

This family run farm, called Earthenry, now grows well over 100 different varieties of seasonal and field-grown blooms, and has cultivated a dedicated community of volunteers and devotees who flock to the farm for events including garden and gossip, twilight flower picking, pick your own mornings, workshops, and seedling sales. 

Emma also breeds her own dahlias, makes made-to-order bouquets and sells organically-grown seeds. Emma, her husband Greg and their two teenage children live, work and garden in the beautiful township of Snug, on the lands of the Nuenonne people in Tasmania. 

Before we get to that, Maddie & Emily and drinking a Fin Wines' Dandelions and Bumblebees

Emily is talking about pea straw, her broody chickens and some tips she's learned from Nicky Husted, aka Purely Chickens.

We both went to the Cygnet Garden Market and bought a literal boot load of plants including Mint! Hurray. Chocolate mint, peppermint and basil mint. 

Emily is loving The Garden Curator's column in Graziher magazine about observing where the early and late light moves in the garden, and that's where to plant those frothy, tall grasses to catch the light. 

Maddie is loving the cows, Hetty McKinnon's dukkah from the Community cookbook, and having garden chats with Emily. 

This is our last episode of 2026. Thank you for being here. It means the world. 

~ This season of Avant Gardeners is proudly supported by Blundstone's new series WorkLife. Launching in November and perfect for gardening. Find your local stockist here. ~

Rachel Ward's career began on screen, with standout roles in classics like The Thorn Birds before she turned her skills to directing acclaimed works including Beautiful Kate. In her sixties, Rachel's energy and focus shifted to regenerative agriculture, swapping film sets for fence lines and embarking on an ambitious overhaul of the beef farm her and her husband Bryan Brown had owned for thirty-odd years. Her brilliant documentary Rachel's Farm captures this shift as Rachel moves into her soil-health evangelist era, charting her mission to restore land and the food system. Today, she continues that momentum through Farmthru, her paddock-to-plate project designed to disrupt how regenerative farm produce is made available to consumers. 

Rachel lives, works and tends to her cattle on the land of the Gumbaynggirr people in the Nambucca Valley, New South Wales.

Before we get to Rachel's chat, Maddie and Emily are drinking Greek Frappe (metrio me gala) even though it's 9 degrees outside. Recipe from Philoxenia: A Seat At My Table by Kon Karapanagiotidis.

Emily is dreaming of abundance in the garden.

Maddie is going to try to make her own tomato powder by Lauren at Oaklea Veggie Patch.

They both visited good mate Pip Steele Wareham at The Garden at Moorfield and it was just like old times in that Pip was followed around by Maddie and Emily asking lots of annoying questions.

We visited CERES Brunswick and want to start our own version in Cygnet.

We're growing strawberries in pots and trying to get lots more creeping thyme in the garden (thank you, Connie Cao)

Maddie is thinning her fruit trees (thank you, Katie Finlay)

Rachel recommends:
We Are The Ark by Mary Reynolds,
The Creative Act by Rick Reuben,
The Call of the Reed Warbler by Charles Massy,
Deep Listening to Nature by Andrew Skeock
Healthy Land, Happily Families and Profitable Businesses by David W Pratt
The Soil Will Save Us by Kristen Ohlson,
Holistic Management by Allan Savory

Check our Rachel's new online-ordering, kerb pick up regenerative farm produce available at Farmthru.

~ This season of Avant Gardeners is proudly supported by Blundstone's new series WorkLife. Launching in November and perfect for gardening. Find your local stockist here. ~

Mark Udovitch and his partner Lisa wisely used Covid lockdowns to establish an urban microfarm just south of the Sydney CBD, in the leafy suburb of Bardwell Valley.  This steep and productive block is flourishing with veggies, fruit trees and indigenous plants. Mark and Lisa also share the property with European honeybees, a chicken coop, and their two young children.

Mark is also a prolific preserver, fermenter and sourdough maker, is a member of the Sydney Edible Garden Trail Team, hosts a regular Permaculture at the Pub event, and is a Radiation Therapist in his spare time. He's passionate about getting more dirt under the fingernails of more people, and shares what he knows online.

Mark lives, works and tends to his garden on Gadigal country, in NSW

Maddie has - in a very roundabout way - made a Porto Tonico with Magnolia syrup. It's like gin and tonic, but port and tonic, (with or without magnolia syrup). Garnish it with an orange slice, cinnamon quill and rosemary.

We're debriefing all things Citrus.
Emily is on a full agpanthus rant, and turns out Maddie thought the singular of Agapanthus was...Agapantha. Lol. She didn't realise this wasn't the case until after we'd finished recording.

Emily is on the green manure train, Maddie is hoping to grow Cucamelons. 

One of Emily's sisters bought her the book Horti-Curious by Ann Treneman and she's LOVING it. 

Maddie is obsessed with her Oak & Rose Razor Hoe.

We learned heaps from attending one of the Grow Great Fruit pruning webinar. 

Things Mark mentions: Limestone Permaculture, Root Lab Mushrooms, Permaculture in the Pub

Thanks for being here!

~ This season of Avant Gardeners is proudly supported by Blundstone's new series WorkLife. Launching in November and perfect for gardening. Find your local stockist here. ~

Merlin Sheldrake is a mycologist, biologist, writer, and speaker with a background in plant sciences, microbiology, ecology, and the history and philosophy of science. He received a Ph.D. in tropical ecology from Cambridge University for his work on underground fungal networks in tropical forests in Panama.

His book, Entangled Life, dives deep into the magical, mysterious and stranger-than-fiction world of fungi, explaining how they can show us lessons in resilience, cooperation and transformation. Entangled Life has sold more than a million copies worldwide, and what followed is a documentary called Fungi: Web of Life, narrated by Bjork. 

If you're lucky enough, you can catch Merlin across Australia and New Zealand as part of The Secret Life of Fungi. Tickets for this evening of storytelling and science are on sale now.

Before we get to Merlin's chat, we're drinking our mate's Sticky Chai with a dash of Frangelico. Yum yum!

Emily is giving her indoor plants some annual love. She's ticked off three trees on her random list (snowball viburnum, smoke bush and tai haku cherry!).

Emily is continually searching for tube stock, and is loving Phil Dudman's tips on controlling stink bugs with a vaccuum cleaner. Her daughter Phoebe is the reigning queen of carrots. 

Emily is recommending Urban Nanna (aka Anna Matilda's) book Everyday Permaculture, illustrated by Brenna Quinlan. 

Maddie is up in arms about nurseries selling non-native Pig Face (hear why this is such a disasterous thing in this episode with Mindy Woods), she's creating a spanikopita garden, and has some bull chat - having just agisted a new animal in Quarter Pounder - a big, beefy Belted Galloway who has been tasked with one job.

And she's gushing about Entangled Life (hardcopy or narrated audio version. Both are spectacular.)

Thanks for being here!

 

~ This season of Avant Gardeners is proudly supported by Blundstone's new series WorkLife. Launching in November and perfect for gardening. Find your local stockist here. ~

Tim Pilgrim has become synonymous with his own naturalistic style of garden design, one that's plant-driven and subscribes to the maximalist aesthetic. 

With gardening in his blood, and after working at the All England Lawn Tennis and Croquet Club in Wimbledon, he returned home to work on one of the Digger's Club's most famous gardens, St Erth. 

Tim and his wife Hadley started TP Gardens back in 2013, and since then he's worked on some of the most jaw-dropping gardens in the country including Du Fermier in Trentham, Paul Bangay's Stonefields and at Bress, a biodynamic winery in the Central Victorian goldfields. 

Tim's debut book Wild By Design has recently been released, shooting straight to the best sellers list. And deservedly so. 

Tim draws his inspiration from the beauty of wild landscapes and other creative gardening minds. 

Tim lives, gardens and designs on Dja Dja Wurrung Country, sharing his home with his wife, and three young sons. 

Before we get to Tim's chat, we're drinking Walnut Liqueur made from green walnuts macerated with alcohol - a Slovenian specialty. Emily is going great guns with her seeds - rudbeckia, violas, edamame. Her orchard understory is blooming with cornflowers, walking onions, rosemary, thyme, wormwood, queen anne's lace, cosmos, calendula, and strawberries!

The sorrel is still a pest.

Emily's loving Banskia (it's giving May Gibbs vibes). Maddie recommends growing Correa Alba from cuttings.

Maddie + Emily did a beautiful bushwalk - the Freycinet Circuit, and picked up reading tips from our very great mate Franzi.

Emily's recommending Platypus Spinach from Dimity May at Tiny Farm Tas. 

Maddie wants baby lamb energy, vs tired mutton energy.

Maddie's trying to grow shelling peas, and has made a huge (although not catastrophic) mistake with her flannel flowers.

And we're trying to manifest Juvenile Grandma phase.

Thanks!

 

~ This season of Avant Gardeners is proudly supported by Blundstone's new series WorkLife. Launching in November and perfect for gardening. Find your local stockist here. ~

Mindy Woods is a chef, restaurateur and author, and the first female Indigenous chef to become hatted by the Australian Good Food Guide. A proud Bundjalung woman, Mindy was pursuing physiotherapy when she barged onto our screens in on Masterchef in 2012.

Since then she's created an impactful career around food and education with Native ingredients being at the centre of everything she does. Mindy was named a Champion of Change at the 2025 World's 50 Best Restaurants Awards, and she's recently reimagined her award-winning restaurant, offering a full experience on country in the Byron hinterland. At Karkalla on Country, guests can take cooking classes or immersive dining experiences. 

In 2025, Mindy released her first book, Karkalla at Home. Mindy forages, gardens and cooks on the lands of the Bundjalung people in northern New South Wales.

Before we get into this beautiful chat, Maddie and Emily are enjoying a Native Pepper Whisky Sour (Native Pepper syrup made with leaves + water + sugar).

Emily is obsessing about Euphorbia, lamenting her plant tag organisation system, and is curious about how Dahlias just multiply.

Maddie bought her very first rose (an earth angel floribunda), and is obsessed with the old world shape.

We're also talking processing tomatoes, Emily's tomato relish, the best honey ever.

And then it's into our chat with Mindy. This is a cracker. Hope you love it!

~ This season of Avant Gardeners is proudly supported by Blundstone's new series WorkLife. Launching in November and perfect for gardening. Find your local stockist here. ~

Brenna Quinlan is an illustrator and educator with a keen focus on permaculture and sustainability. 

Her special skill is putting her energy, creativity and passion into making the world a better place. She's not afraid to take hard, uncomfortable or challenging subjects, but she always has humour at the core.

Through her art she has collaborated with the likes of Costa, Milkwood Permaculture, David Holmgren and the CSIRO. 

Brenna lives, creates art and permacultures in a strawbale house that she built from reclaimed materials on Bibbulmun Menang boodja, in an intentional community in Denmark, Western Australia.

Before we get into this highly delightful, educational and entertaining chat with Brenna, Emily and Maddie are drinking a Joshua Cooper 2024 Pinot Noir, Maddie is talking about chickens and accidentally discovered the most delicious eggs she's ever tasted. She's making lots of homemade marshmallows with those bad boys.

We go deep into potatoes: Pink Eyes and King Edwards, and Maddie's planted out a bunch of cuttings from Emily's succulent garden - including Blue Chalk Sticks and something else whose name we don't know.

Maddie is recommending Wintering by Katherine May, and is embarrassed by her lack of chlorophyll knowledge. We also explore the abscission zone (of leaf and brain variety). 

Emily's spending wholesome days with the kids at Birches Bay Art Farm, where she recently purchased some Native Pepper Berry. She's also experimenting with thornless blackberry.

Brenna is a wealth of information and recommends the following:

• Rewilding the Urban Soul by Claire Dunn

• Everyday Permaculture by Anna Matilda, aka Urban Nanna

• Koren Helbig's 'The Power of Quarterly Rest'

• Retrosuburbia, by David Holmgren

Follow Brenna here, and consider supporting her on Patreon here.

 

 

Katie Finlay is a third-generation orchardist who grew up on the family farm she now calls home. She received a Bachelor of Science from Monash Uni majoring in botany and genetics - which came in very handy when she returned to the farm 15 years later

Katie and her partner Hugh are on a mission to help backyard growers and orchardists alike to create the abundant fruit trees of your dreams. 

Katie and Hugh run Grow Great Fruit, an education hub that combines their decades of fruit growing experience into practical lessons through webinars, online courses, annual subscriptions and in-person sessions. They also have a nursery with more than 200 varietes of fruit including apples, stone fruit, heritage varieties and multi-grafted trees.

Katie lives and farms on Djaara country at the foot of Mount Alexander in central Victoria

To kick the episode off we're drinking a cup of chamomile tea and honey, with a dash of Poor Tom's Gin. Maddie's tree dahlia didn't quite go off like she'd have hoped, but her ranunculus from seed are going great. 
She's still planting things too close together.
Emily is in her espalier era, with 7 trees about to go into the ground. We ask - What can't you espalier?
We acknowledge we've been pronouncing bougainvillea like Aussie bogans - boganvillia. Whoops.
Emily has secured herself a Charles Jolly Lilac.

Maddie is recommending The Plant Hunter's Atlas

In our chat with the amazing Katie, we cover all this and more:

• bud swell
• pruning
• pests and pest control
• grafting
• storing fruit
• preserving fruit
• cooperative farming models
• succession planning
• Grow Great Fruit

Thanks for listening. We'd love it if you could rate, review and share Avant Gardeners with your friends.

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Scott Whitaker is a visual artist and former art gallery owner who now runs Hinterland Bees with his wife Allyson Reynolds. They got their first hive back in 1996, and now manage more than 250 of them across orchards and rainforests in the Sunshine Coast Hinterland.

Scott produces pure, natural raw honey and has become synonymous with swarm removal. His social videos are mesmerising to watch, opting for no protective gear when handling thousands of them. 

Scott lives, gardens and bee keeps on Jinibara and Kabi Kabi country in the Sunshine Coast hinterland in Queensland. 

If you love or loathe bees, or eat anything pollinated by bees, this is a great listen!

Before we get there, we're drinking a Hartzview Honey Mead. Emily is talking about all the positive impacts on her gardening journey including Terry Memory, Milkwood Permaculture, Emma Bowen @ Rising Farm and Hannah Maloney. She's also about to plant all her peonies. 

Maddie is trying to grow Hollyhock, she's reneged on her idea of building her own chicken coop, and she's on the snail warpath. She's also recommending Danielle Alvarez's Cheesy Cauliflower Soup. Yum!

Scott recommends the book Honey Bee Democracy by Thomas D. Seeley. 

NOTE: We interviewed Scott about 8 weeks ago, and since then varroa has been detected in several of his hives. 

Thanks for listening. We'd love it if you could rate, review and share Avant Gardeners with your friends.

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Nikki Husted, aka Purely Chickens on Instagram, has been on our Dream Interview List for a very long time. 

Nikki is a former public school teacher turned chicken guru, who educates and entertains a community of like-minded chicken fanatics about all things poultry and homesteading. 

In 2023 she released her book Chicken Keeping Pure and Simple, bringing together more than two decades of chicken know-how into a really practical resource.

Nikki lives in Ohio with her husband, two young kids, and a menagerie including dogs, cats, goats, geese and - of course - dozens of chickens! Whether you have chickens or not, you're going to love Nikki's chat!

Before we get there, we're drinking a Lindt Ball Hot Chocolate (which you can make adult by adding a shot of whisky or similar). Emily is sharing her compost palace update, her Arborteum experience and she's getting around to spraying her fruit trees. Maddie is obsessed with her $4 zero turn mower and she's upskilling on avocado pollination types.

Recommendations: Emily is loving her mulch fork, while Maddie is obsessed with top quality hazelnuts. Specifically Crooked Tree (hard to source if you're not very local) or Hazelbrae Hazelnuts if you're looking to purchase some online. Yummm bloody yum.

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Welcome to the first episode of our little mini winter series. We'll be talking about the birds and the bees, the mind and fruit trees. Thanks for being here.

First up, we're having a fan girl moment chatting to Sue Stuart-Smith. Sue is a psychiatrist, psychotherapist and author of The Well Gardened Mind – a Sunday Times Bestseller. Sue originally saw gardening as 'outdoor housework', but it was the veggie garden that drew her in. 

She originally studied English Literature at the University of Cambridge before qualifying as a doctor and working in the NHS, where she went on to become the lead clinician for psychotherapy in Hertfordshire. 

Sue and her husband, celebrated garden designer Tom Stuart-Smith, have together spent almost four decades cultivating the Barn Garden – a place that inspired much of her writing. Her book explores the relationship between gardening and mental health.

Sue lives, works and gardens in Hertfordshire in the UK from where she shares widely her deep appreciation for the natural world. 

Before we get to this beautiful chat with Sue we're drinking a Sailor Seeks Horse Chardonnay.

Emily is dishing up why she's not a fan of carnations.

Maddie boldly states she's going to build her own chicken coop.

We've discovered (unpalatable) native blueberries. We've found all of the apple info at Pomiferous. And Emily's decided what to plant in her future espalier bed - including a Plum Scrumptious - an interspecies plant that is plum and peach. Yumbo!

 

 

--This episode is proudly sponsored by Veggie and Flower Garden Seeds. This Tassie-based, family run business are the go-to destination for veggie, native, herb and flower seeds, specialising in hard-to-get varieties. We love their search functionality - you can filter by colour of flower, whether you're after a full sun or part shade plant, even by what to plant in your climate by month. Their beautiful flower range is amazing, and just last year they exclusively provided Floret seed to the Australian market. Enjoy 15% off their entire range by using the promo code AG15 when purchasing from veggiegardenseeds.com.au --

Alex Elliott-Howery is a writer, pickler and all-round foodie guru who is the founder of Cornersmith and all their spin offs with her partner James Grant. Alex is a food-waste queen, trying to change our habits so we can stop throwing out all the good foodie bits one spring onion at a time, and she's just released her latest book The Pocket Pickler that includes 80 recipes to enjoy, broken down by season. You can also find her sharing all her knowledge in courses including this Pickling Intensive

Alex lives, gardens and pickles in Sydney, on the Gadigal land of the Eora Nation. 

Before we get there we're drinking a Sigurd Rose, Emily's helped to host (and attend) a Small Farms Workshop, she's loving golden delicious (but not the possums). Maddie is getting inspo from Honey Atkinson, and humble-bragging about how much produce from the garden is on the dinner table. 

Thanks for listening!

 

Samuel Shelley is a Tasmanian-based photographer specialising in food, commercial, lifestyle & ad photography. What he often leaves off his bio is his partnership in the family-run, Tassie based business Veggie and Flower Garden Seeds that his sister Bec founded in 2020.

Sam is their chief photographer - amongst other things - and knows a thing or two about taking a killer flower pic.

He lives in Nipaluna / Hobart with his wife, his two daughters, and a pretty serious fishing addiction.

Sam is giving us a little tutorial today on how to get the best flower photos you can!

Before we get to that we're drinking a Passionfruit Caipiroska.

Emily is swapping hay for seedlings, she's growing rainbow chard and snow peas from seed. She's loving the Tigerella tomato, and hanging unripe tomatoes upside down. With all her basil, Emily is making Hannah Maloney's Basil Pesto Log.

Maddie is suggesting putting basil seeds in water, she's trying desperately to nurture her Flannel Seeds (after germinating them with smoke). She's loving her autum fruiting Facebook Marketplace raspberries. And she's been making Vodka Pasta 

 

--This episode is proudly sponsored by Veggie and Flower Garden Seeds. This Tassie-based, family run business are the go-to destination for veggie, native, herb and flower seeds, specialising in hard-to-get varieties. We love their search functionality - you can filter by colour of flower, whether you're after a full sun or part shade plant, even by what to plant in your climate by month. Their beautiful flower range is amazing, and just last year they exclusively provided Floret seed to the Australian market. Enjoy 15% off their entire range by using the promo code AG15 when purchasing from veggiegardenseeds.com.au --

Milli Proust is one of those people we'd really love to sit down with IRL and enjoy a Pimms & Lemonade in the backyard of her 400-year-old cottage. 

She is a flower farmer, florist, seed grower and her business she runs with Paris Alma - Alma Proust - was trusted by Floret to bring their seeds to the UK. She lives in Sussex in the UK with her partner Ted, her son Rex and two wanna be farm dogs. With Milli we cover how to treat hellebores for maximum vase time, why roses are amazing (and how to prune them), compost palace, Charles Dowding and so much more. 

Before we get to that we're drinking a Yarlington Mill Willie Smith's Apple Cider - yum bloody yum. We're talking about bougainvillea, self-watering pots (thank you Connie Cao), Fruit Leather, jam making's wrinkle-test, and Foccaccia (Maddie is using the recipe by Alexandra Cooks) and Emily is checking out Gardenstead.

Thanks for listening. 

--This episode is proudly sponsored by Veggie and Flower Garden Seeds. This Tassie-based, family run business are the go-to destination for veggie, native, herb and flower seeds, specialising in hard to get varieties. We love their search functionality - you can filter by colour of flower, whether you're after a full sun or part shade plant, even by what to plant in your climate by month. Their beautiful flower range is amazing, and just last year they exclusively provided Floret seed to the Australian market. Enjoy 15% off their entire range by using the promo code AG15 when purchasing from veggiegardenseeds.com.au --

My gosh did we have fun chatting with Lauren Camilleri. 

Lauren is a creative director and designer who approaches everything from the premise that design can have a positive impact on the world. With a bachelor of interior architecture, she has worked at the likes of Inside Out, Vogue Living and Belle, where she has been the creative director since 2021.

Lauren is one of the co-founders of Leaf Supply, the go-to hub for all things botanical. Along with her business partner Sophia Kaplan, they have published five absolutely gorgeous and informative books over the years, collectively selling over quarter of a million copies. Their most recent title Outside In is a beautifully photographed homage to the connection between thoughtful design and the natural world. Lauren lives, works and tends to her indoor jungle on the lands of the Gadigal People of the Eora nation in Sydney.

We're drinking Ochota Barrels 'Botanica of the Basket' wine and it's a delightful little brew with a beautiful story. We're chatting indoor plant care, Emily being a wine guru, sunflowers for chickens, the lovely Anenome. Maddie also butchers the cucumber sandwich story. Emily has a new dog, and has researched perennial leeks. Maddie's hoping that her crack at Poh Ling Yeow's Mama's bao isn't beginners luck because it was DELISH. 

Thanks for listening. 

--This episode is proudly sponsored by Bush Mits. We each bought a pair of these last year and have barely taken them off. They're UPF 50+ for the ultimate sun protection. They're fingerless AND have reinforced palms so you can do all the tough and fiddly jobs. We've discovered they are a saviour in the garden / on the zero turn / out with the cows / even hanging out the washing. Enjoy 15% off Bush Mits' beautiful range by using the promo code AG15 when purchasing from bushmits.com--

We're having a good old yarn today with Holly Wainwright. Holly is not a professional gardener. She is a writer, editor and podcaster who recently made a sea change, moving outside of a city for the first time in her life which has given her the space (mental, not necessarily geographical) to take on what she describes as her first true hobby... gardening. And boy is she glad she found it!

Holly is the Executive Editor at Mamamia and a familiar voice on Mamamia Out Loud as well as her new podcast MID. Holly's fifth novel, He Would Never, is set for release in April 2025. Holly credits Therapy Lettuce for its positive impact on her mental well-being. Holly lives, writes and gardens south of Sydney on the lands of the Jerrinja and Wandi-Wandandian people, on the Yuin nation with her partner, Brent, and their two teenage children.

 

Before we chat about Therapy Lettuce, Emily and Maddie are drinking a Palomoa (tequila, grapefruit, yum yum). Emily's discovered perennial leeks. She's obsessed with her begonia, and is recommending you check out and/or try to be more like Joe's Connected Garden in South Australia. 

We're both intruiged by our mate Gemma's Pleach (yep - a plum peach interspecies!). 

Maddie and Emily recommend the walking onion, growing potatoes, and the hardenbergia to Holly, while Holly reciprocates and recommends Virginia La Trioli's 'Friday Night Fog' (Two nips vodka, One nip Cointreau, Half a lime - optional ruby red grapefruit juice.) 

 

--This episode is proudly sponsored by Bush Mits. We each bought a pair of these last year and have barely taken them off. They're UPF 50+ for the ultimate sun protection. They're fingerless AND have reinforced palms so you can do all the tough and fiddly jobs. We've discovered they are a saviour in the garden / on the zero turn / out with the cows / even hanging out the washing. Enjoy 15% off Bush Mits' beautiful range by using the promo code AG15 when purchasing from bushmits.com--

You'll often hear us mentioning our friend Emma Bowen in these episodes. Well we finally got her in to record an episode. Emma is the founder and former CEO of the not-for-profit Pocket City Farms in inner city Sydney. Her vision saw a former lawn bowls club transformed into a market garden, events space, education hub and vital part of the broader community bringing clean, organic food to the people.

In 2020, Emma, her partner Zag and their two young kids made the move to Tasmania's Huon Valley, settling on a 50-acre former apple, apricot and cattle farm. Emma has plans to establish a permaculture orchard while maximizing the diversity of the farm.

Emma is passionate about the transformative power of farms and gardens and the immeasurable value they bring to our physical and mental well-being as individuals and communities. Alongside her farm work she is a permaculture garden designer and community project consultant (check out her work here) and operates two gorgeous airbnbs on her property.
We're utilising what's in the garden (and the back of the pantry) and we've made a Cucumber and Basil Mezcalita! We're talking about chicken coops, Emily's new Wandotes, Middleton Fair's Scarecrow Competition, Geums, Twitch Grass, three sisters planting Julia Ostro's almond and plum cake from Good Cooking Everyday (back to back Ostro recommendations! For good reason though) and much more.  

See more at www.avant-gardeners.com

--This episode is proudly sponsored by Bush Mits. We each bought a pair of these last year and have barely taken them off. They're UPF 50+ for the ultimate sun protection. They're fingerless AND have reinforced palms so you can do all the tough and fiddly jobs. We've discovered they are a saviour in the garden / on the zero turn / out with the cows / even hanging out the washing. Enjoy 15% off Bush Mits' beautiful range by using the promo code AG15 when purchasing from bushmits.com--

Welcome back to season 4!

We're kicking this season off chatting to the delightful Connie Cao. We chat container gardening, how to kick start our Asian Veggie patch, Loofas (these things are amazing!!), Edmame and having backyard chickens.

Connie lives in the suburbs of Melbourne where she's transformed her south-sloping backyard into a haven of fruit trees, veggies, ornamentals and a bustling chicken run over the years. She learnt to garden alongside her father. She is the author of Your Asian Veggie Patch which features over 40 things to grow and 50 recipes influenced by her Chinese heritage. 

Before we get to that, we're drinking a Ruggabellus, we're eating the most delicious strawberries from Ashcraig Farm in Nicholls Rivulet, Tasmania. Maddie has grown the best dahlia of her life (thank you, Dahlia dealer). We're taling about Dragon's Egg Cucumbers, Cornersmith Bread & Butter Pickle. Emily has had a birthday and hit the jackpot with a new electric chainsaw, a wheelbarrow and a shrub shearers. Plus, a double mulch pile hook up!

Maddie is recommending a recipe that Emma Bowen made that's a Julia Ostro Tomato and Olive Tart from Around the Table. 

So nice to be back. See more at www.avant-gardeners.com

Welcome to our short and sharp summer series where we revisit some of your very favourite episodes. We've added an additional little intro, reflecting on our chat with Phil Dudman and general updates since then. 

We got so many amazing tips from Phil, and we hope you do too. 

Here's the original episode spiel:
Buckle up ya'll, it's the final episode for Season 2 and we're welcoming one of the nicest blokes in gardening to the microphone, Mr Phil Dudman. With a diverse and colourful career that extends from touring with an 80's rock band, to hosting garden tours in Italy, an epiphany when Phil was 27 sent him down the literal and metaphorical garden path and he hasn't looked back since.

Phil is a trained horticulturalist, gardening talkback host on ABC Local Radio, the horticultural editor at Organic Gardener Magazine, has written books and is a familiar face on TV, Youtube and social media.

Phil runs workshops and courses both online and from his own backyard, and you can explore what's on offer at www.growyourfood.com.au.

Phil lives and gardens on the land of the Widjabul-Wai-bal people of the Bundjalung Nation in the Northern Rivers region of NSW.

We chat to Phil about pests, garden design, attracting birdlife to your backyard and weeding with wine at 10am. 

Before we get into it though, Emily and Maddie are drinking a Jauma grenache. We're talking about online marketplace purchases and tip shop wins. We're using Google Images to sort out our plant ID issues. We're sluggish with the garlic, and Maddie is barely keeping the lights on with her garden. Emily's finally sorted the pesky carport out, and her 7 year old daughter is winning at gardening this month. 

Follow Phil on Instagram here, check out his YouTube here and his website here

Welcome to our short and sharp summer series where we revisit some of your very favourite episodes. We've added an additional little intro, reflecting on our chat with Charles Dowding and general updates since then. things we've been working on since then.
Gosh we loved revisiting this chat with Charles. Whether it's your first time listening, or your second go, we hope you get a lot out of it. 

Listen to Part 2 with Charles Dowding here: https://open.spotify.com/episode/7hb74jPuZDqravRpS0oR9N?si=d622b4298b914633

Here's the original episode spiel:

Pinch us! We had the chance to speak with the guru of no dig gardening himself, Mr Charles Dowding. Over an hour and a half we meandered all manner of subjects including the obvious (no dig gardening, composting, weeding) and the maybe less obvious - the politics of gardening, UK alotments, microdosing. 

To keep our episodes short(ish) and sharp(ish) we've split this into 2 parts. 

Charles Dowding has been gardening organically and applying the no-dig method for the past 40 years. He's been instrumental in spreading the word of this style of gardening globally, heralding its effectiveness against weeds, its ability to produce thriving veggies, and its time-saving benefits.

Based in Somerset in the south west corner of England, Charles gardens on his property, Homeacres, a 1 ½  acre block. He recently celebrated 11 years there, and it's magic to see the transformation of this space from a neglected parcel of land into a productive paradise.

Charles's kinesiology career was short-lived due to the frequent remarks about the dirt under his fingernails, but he wouldn't have it any other way. Charles is passionate about education and is increasingly a voice for the future of food and how gardening can play a pivotal role in climate change.

He has written numerous books on gardening, he runs workshops from Homeacres and online, and liberally shares his insights, successes and failures on YouTube and social media. He must be one of the happiest people in gardening. 

Find Charles on Instagram here

But before we get there...we're chatting about  tiger snakes, guinea fowl, garlic, accidental gardens, zucchini season, jam season, community flower shows, 

We're drinking an English Breakfast Mar-tea-ni. We made a tea sugar syrup, added gin, lemon juice, aquafaba (use egg white if you like) and that's pretty much it! Super refreshing. Can recommend. 

We're recommending Futuresteading by Jade Miles. Charles recommends Peter Singers' book Animal Liberation

Welcome to our short and sharp summer series where we revisit some of your very favourite episodes. We've added an additional little intro, reflecting on our chat with Kate and composty things we've been working on since then.

Compostable Kate's was a cracker of an episode. 

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Here's the original episode spiel:

We've been dedicated students of the Compostable Kate's School of Compost since wayyyyy back, so it's an absolute dream to interview her for this week's episode.

Kate Flood (aka Compostable Kate) is a sustainability educator, compost queen and author of The Compost Coach (2023). She is prolific on Instagram, sharing all things Bokashi, worm farms and hot compost. She lives, gardens and composts in the Bega Valley, in southern New South Wales on the Yuin-Monaro Nations.

We chat about what Kate and Beyonce have in common, her amazing jumper collection and, of course, all things compost including sheet composting, what kind of composting she'd do on a desert island, and a whole lot more.  We also talk about how composting is fabulous for the garden, and vital part of climate activism. 

Find her on Instagram here

But before we get there...we're chatting about possums, snails and wheelbarrows.

We're drinking the Compostable Kate Cocktail (a fresh little number we whipped up with sparkling rose, ginger syrup, strawberries and borage).

We're recommending The Overstory by Richard Powers

Kate recommends: the Share Waste app - a way to connect people who wish to recycle their food scraps and other organics with their neighbours who are already composting, worm-farming or keeping farm animals.

We snuck a bonus episode into season 3 - and what a cracker it is. We're chatting to Diego Bonetto, aka The Weedy One. Born in Italy, Diego grew up foraging for dandelion, wild asparagus and mushrooms. It wasn't actually foraging as such, it was just how you lived.

Since moving to Australia, Diego has taken foraging and edible weeds on as his career, educating and showing people how we're surrounded by abundant food and medicine, much of it growing on in our backyards, or the cracks of the pavement. 

Diego lives and forages on the lands of the Eora, Dharug, Wiradjuri and Gandangara people.  Check out his amazing range of workshops - treat yourself or a friend (or both go!)

Before we get to Diego, we're drinking a Dandelion Margarita and talking about nettle, Phoenix Creations, fermented garlic, Birchs Bay Art Farm, Mewstone and making your own Christmas wreaths. 

Recommendations:

• Emily's loving all things Kunzea including this Kunzea Jelly  - use it like quince paste
• Madeleine is planning Christmas dessert from Nadine Ingram's new book Love Crumbs
• and Emily has bought her daughter Easy Peasy: Gardening for Kids by Kristen Bradley of Milkwood Permaculture. 

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Natasha Morgan is a landscape architect-turned-gardener, forager and creator of inspiring spaces. Having successfully done a treechange in 2014 from Melbourne, Natasha transformed the phenomenal property Oak & Monkey Puzzle. A couple of years ago Natasha and her family downsized to Little Cottage on a Hill in Daylesford, Victoria and continues to create magic, including a gorgeous and productive verge garden. Natasha hosts workshops from her property if you're lucky enough to be in the area. 

We talk about tree changes, preserving, autism and chickens, designing a garden, building community and wicking beds. Natasha lives, works and gardens on Dja Dja Wurrung country. 

Emily's gone full cocktail, whipping up a delish mojito (rum, raw sugar, mint and lime). Yum, Yum!

We're talking about pinching out tomatoes, baby chickens, lavender, Kunzea, olive trees.

Emily is recommending a Kunzea hand cream, and Maddie is recommending Visionary by Claire Takacs

Check out Natasha's story and workshops here, and follow her on Instagram here.

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Thanks for being here. 
Feel free to leave us a review. We would LOVE that. 

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When Petrina Burrill was in grade six, she wrote, 'When I grow up I want to be a florist,' such was her conviction and obsession with blooms. Since then, Petrina Blooms - as she's known on Instagram. has had a diverse career, but has landed back in the garden where she belongs. She's now known for her secret garden-esque backyard in Melbourne and her epic annual ranunculus, aka ranunk, schedule. 

For over a decade, Petrina has lovingly transformed her family's backyard into a year-round spectacle of beauty, from where she hosts workshops and events and picks bunches of flowers for lucky recipients. 

Petrina lives, works and gardens in Ivanhoe Victoria, on Wurundjeri Woi Wurrung Country.

The days are longer and we're drinking a Willie Smith's Organic Cider. It's yummy and not too sweet. Perfection!

We're talking about rooster dramas, kiwi fruit, espaliering stuff, wormwood for chickens, what the heck is a corm, Bokashi, and dreaming of a Hannah Maloney-esque pumpkin arch. We've also been mismanaging our potatoes. face palms.

Check out Petrina's magical garden escapades here

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 Matthew Evans was a chef and food critic who left Sydney in search of flavour and to become closer to food production. He landed in Tasmania's Huon Valley and he, his partner Sadie Chrestman and son Hedley call the 70-acre Fat Pig Farm home. Matthew is the author of books including The Real Food Companion, The Dirty Chef, Not Just Jam, Soil and his latest book Milk, published in 2024. 

Matthew is gearing up to host the inaugural GROUNDED Australia conference at Fat Pig Farm on December 4 + 5, 2024. This two-day immersive event is part food festival, part writers' festival and part farming conference, which will interrogate how to do farming better. Over 40 amazing speakers will descend upon the Huon Valley for workshops, discussions, networking, amazing food and drinks and even a mobile sauna! 

Matthew lives, gardens and farms on the land of the Merlukerdee people.

To celebrate, we're drinking the dregs of a limited-release Fat Pig Farm Rhubarb Gin. Over ice. It's delicious.

We're chatting tomatoes, our seedling dealer, our grevillea era (loving the Bronze Rambler). We're upcycling milk cartons, tomato trellises are up, and there's a story about the dangers of mowing. 

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We came across Huw Richards perhaps the odd-way around, first picking up his amazing book 'Veg In One Bed' before discovering his huge online presence. Huw has been gardening since the age of 3 on his parents' smallholding in mid-west Wales. He started a YouTube channel aged 12, which has since received over 100 million views. Huw's gardening is driven by curiosity, experimentation and impact planting. It's obvious how much joy he derives from striving for flavour and beauty in the garden.  He's a brilliant communicator and oh boy did we love this chat with him. 

Check out his Substack, find him on Insta or Youtube.
Huw's latest book is called The Self Sufficiency Garden. 

In this episode we're drinking Waubs Harbour Distillery whisky (yep, we've gone top shelf). We're talking about Australia's Big Things, Clematis 'Freckles', the cows have set Em's native trees back a couple of years and we're recommending 'Growing Vegetables South Of Australia' by Steve SolomonAll the things. Thanks for joining us.

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