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Welcome to Season 3!
Sharon and Susan kick off a new season with Jennifer Keishan Armstrong, the New York Times bestselling author of Seinfeldia: How a Show about Nothing Changed Everything, When Women Invented Television, Sex and the City and Us, and Mary and Lou and Rhoda and Ted. 

Jennifer writes about entertainment and pop culture for the New York Times Book Review, Fast Company, Vulture, BBC Culture, and Entertainment Weekly. Her latest book So Fetch: The Making of Mean Girls (And Why We're Still So Obsessed with It) was published this year.

In this fascinating interview, Jennifer takes us behind the scenes with four different women who, in their own ways, invented television: Irma Phillips, Hazel Scott, Gertrude Berg -- and Betty White. Each of them faced sexism -- and racism -- but triumphed during a time when opportunities for women in television were limited -- but strangely also more open than you may think….

THE CONVERSATION

• How The Mary Tyler Moore Show gave a voice to women everywhere when they gave a voice to a host of female TV writers.
• The Oprah of the 1950’s was… Gertrude Berg?
• The Beyoncé of the 1940s was... reknowned Black jazz pianist, Hazel Scott.
• Find out how Scott became the first Black person to host a national primetime  television show -- in 1950.
• The character of Suanne Nivens that Betty White played on The Mary Tyler Moore Show was based on a woman who did a LIVE Homemaking Show played by… Betty White!
• Irma Phillips was asked to make something that would appeal to women -- so she invented the Soap Opera.
• Phillips created As The World Turns -- AND the longest running show of all time, The Guiding Light.
• Gertrude Berg’s ground-breaking sitcom about a Jewish family -- The Goldbergs -- was so successful that it was considered to be the lead-in for a new, untested show that might need some help -- I Love Lucy.
• Why was 1955 the death knell of women working in television -- both in front of AND behind the camera?
• According to network executives in 1969, what were the THREE THINGS Americans didn’t want to see on television?
• How The Mary Tyler Moore Show made Ed Asner a feminist.

So join Susan and Sharon -- and Jennifer -- as they talk “fat farms”, Mean Girls, the Black List, Seinfeld, Tina Fey, Shonda Rhimes, Father Knows Best -- and “On Wednesdays we wear pink”!

AUDIO-OGRAPHY
Find Jennifer Keishan Armstrong at her website, jenniferkarmstrong.com.
Buy The Women Who Invented Television (and all Jennifer’s books) at Bookshop.org.
Find Jennifer on Instagram.

Find Women Who Invented Television at YouTube:
Watch The Betty White Show (1954)
Watch Betty White in her sitcom, Life with Elizabeth.

Learn more about Hazel Scott.
The Goldbergs with Gertrude Berg, Episode: “A Sad Day”
Check out an Irma Phillips episode of The Guiding Light (1952). 

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This year is the 45th anniversary of President Carter's Crisis of Confidence speech. Get Susan’s new play about it: Confidence (and the Speech) at Broadway Licensing. 

In this special bonus episode, Susan, Sharon and Melissa spill a few secrets about our upcoming season and fun guests coming soon to 80s TV Ladies. Can you guess what female-driven television shows from the 1980s we’ll be covering in our upcoming season?

THE CONVERSATION

• Do we know what we did this summer? How was your summer?
• What is that feeling in the air? Is it hope?!! Are you ready to Vote?
• Does Melissa even want to talk about her summer?
• Okay, for real: what shows are we gonna cover in Season THREE?!
• Can you guess the shows?
  • The Vickie Lawrence-starring, Carol Burnett Show spin-off sitcom, Mama’s Family.
  • You take the good, you take the bad, you take them both and there you have… The Facts of Life.
  • Yes! And finally yes: The Golden Girls!

• What are the recurring themes we are discovering through Season 1 and 2 interviews?
• Yes, there will be more special series guests this season: More Director Ladies, Star Trek Ladies, Stunt Ladies and more surprises!

So join us as we spill Season Three secrets about what guests we will for sure be talking to: like Mama’s Family’s Dorothy Lyman and Eric Brown, women in television expert and pop-culture author, Jennifer Keishan Armstrong. And can you guess who will be our very special guest from The Golden Girls?

AUDIO-OGRAPHY
Read about our first guest for Season 3: Jennifer Keishan Armstrong at jenniferkarmstrong.com 
Get info on Jennifer’s books and prep for episode 301:

• Mary and Lou and Rhoda and Ted: And all the Brilliant Minds Who Made The Mary Tyler Moore Show a Classic at Jennifer's website. 
• When Women Invented Television by Jennifer Keishan Armstrong at Bookshop. At Barnes & Noble. At Amazon.

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This year is the 45th anniversary of President Carter's Crisis of Confidence speech. Get Susan’s new play about it: Confidence (and the Speech) at Broadway Licensing.

“I was quite set on theater. I was going to go out to Los Angeles for one year -- and that was it. Then I was going to go back to New York and devote myself to the theater. It didn’t work out that way.” -- Jan Eliasberg

80s TV Ladies "Director Ladies" series continues as Susan and Sharon welcome legendary director Jan Eliasberg. Jan began her television director career in the 1980s with an episode of Cagney & Lacey -- and she went on to be the first female director ever on Miami Vice, Crime Story and 21 Jump Street. She has also directed episodes of Dirty Dancing, L.A. Law, Dawson’s Creek, Party of Five, Sisters, Parenthood, Nashville, Supernatural, Bull and NCIS: Los Angeles. Jan recently published her first novel, Hannah’s War.

In this enlightening conversation, Jan discusses how the American Film Institute (AFI) and “The Original Six” opened up opportunities for her and other female directors; how to navigate directing a network television show for the first time -- and how courage, tenacity and little guile can make all the difference …

THE CONVERSATION

• How do you get 10,000 hours of experience when directing requires so much time, money and people: Europe or Yale?
• What can Shakespeare and Ibsen teach you about directing TV? Everything…
• Frances McDormand, Angela Bassett, John Turturo, Tony Shalhoub and Courtney Vance -- how do you quickly figure out what different actors need to create great performances?
• What happens when you direct a play about South African apartheid in St. Louis in the early 1980s?
• On shadowing directors: “I’m already a director -- what am I doing watching these people? I mean, they’re good, but I’m good, too. And that was the kind of confidence -- or maybe you could say arrogance, fearlessness - -that it takes to go into a field that is predominantly male and actually make a dent and get a job.”
• How a twisty game of cat-and-mouse with Barney Rosensweig led to Jan’s first directing gig -- on Cagney & Lacey. (S5, EP13 -- “Act of Conscience”).
• Directing L.A. Law -- and David Kelly’s very first script!
• How asking others for advice is a gift that goes both ways.
• Directing two classic, fan-favorite episodes of Miami Vice.
• Jan gets her first feature film in 1988: How I Got Into College -- but you won’t believe what happened to her on Day Two of filming…
• Past Midnight -- working with the great Rutger Hauer and Natasha Richardson.
• Is the window for women directors opening or closing? Jan gives us her take.

So, join Susan, Sharon -- and Jan -- as they talk Dennis Farina, Michael Moriarty, Rutger Hauer, Paul Giamatti, Daniel Craig, Meg Foster, Sela Ward, Swoosie Kurtz, Kirsten Dunst, George Clooney, Patricia Arquette, Stanley Tucci -- and creamsicles!

AUDIOGRAPHY
Find out more about Jan at JanEliasberg.com.
Buy Jan’s new novel Hannah’s War at Bookshop.
Read Michael Cieply's 1988 article on Jan and other fired women directors at LA Times.  

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Catch 90s TV Baby Serita Fontanesi’s “Not Ugly” podcast at Apple.

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The Best Indie Podcast nomination IS the award!

Susan and Sharon thank ALL the listeners who came out to support “80’s TV Ladies” as Best Indie Podcast for the WEBBY AWARDS. A big welcome to all our new listeners! And a sincere thank you to all who voted and to our listeners who reached out.  

BIG THANKS to our friends who shouted us out, including:

• Chris Stachiw from Weirding Way Media Network and the Kulturecast Podcast.
• Scott Philbrook and Forrest Burgess of the Astonishing Legends podcast.
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• And an extra special thank you to TikTok superstar and creator of Phineas and Ferb, Dan Povenmire, and all his fans.  

All of you went the extra mile to support us and bring new listeners to the show, so THANK YOU!

And of course, the biggest thank you of all -- TO OUR LOYAL FANS!
And listen in on the first official 8TL Mailbag, where we get feedback and answer questions and get feedback from you, our fans! PLUS --  an April 2024 “In Memorium Salute”.

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Check out the Webby Nominee Press Release with our names and Michelle Obama. We’re 26 lines ABOVE Michelle Obama. Just saying.
Watch Matt Baume’s YOUTUBE Channel episode “Bewitched: It Was Gay All Along?”
Listen in on the new podcast, Richard Hatem’s Paranormal Bookshelf
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Back to our episode: Sharon and Susan burst into the Blue Moon Detective Agency and hire Maddie and David to help them answer ONE BURNING QUESTION: What are their Top 8 favorite episodes of the entire series?

Maddie: “Eight? Eight? Why not ten?” David: “Can’t do it. It would make them too tens.”  In the words of Miss Dipesto: “We’re never late, we won’t make you wait, but if you want favorite episodes -- you only get eight!”

1) The Pilot (S1; EP 1)
2) The Next Murder You Hear (S1; EP 4)
3) The Dream Sequence Always Rings Twice (S2; EP 4)
4) My Fair David (S2; EP 5)
5) ‘Twas The Episode Before Christmas (S2; EP 10)
6) Big Man on Mulberry Street (S3; EP 6)
7) Atomic Shakespeare (but only for one of them!) (S3; EP 7)
8) It’s A Wonderful Job (but only for one of them!) (S3; EP 8)
9) The Straight Poop (S3; EP 9)

THE CONVERSATION

• WHAT WAS HE THINKING? Glen Gordon Caron had a secret plan for what he wanted Moonlighting to do to network television: he wanted to kill the detective genre once and for all!
• Why were the seasons so short? Well, there was a little problem with getting episodes done on time...
• If Maddie was the “parent” and David was the “child” -- did David ever grow up?
• Is the show feminist? Or progressive? Susan and Sharon have thoughts!
• Why is the agency always broke? Maybe it’s all those people in the office who don’t do anything!
• That time when Susan got thrown off the set of The A-Team by George Peppard!
• Which Season of Moonlighting is the Moonlighting-est?
• What the hell happened with Season 4?? Warring stars, a missing showrunner -- and Die Hard!

So join Susan and Sharon as they talk Dirk Benedict, Cybill Shepherd, Bruce Willis, Melissa’s candy, The Princess Bride -- and the challenges of producing a show AND a baby at the same time!

AUDIOGRAPHY
What are YOUR favorite Moonlighting episodes?  Let us know!!
Watch Moonlighting on Hulu. On Apple TV or at Amazon Prime Video. 
Check out Moonlighting: The Podcast.
Read Moonlighting: An Episode Guide and Moonlighting: An Oral History. Both ON SALE at Tucker Press.  

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Encore! Encore! In celebration of the premiere of Cagney & Lacey 42nd years ago this week, here is a look back at the special Sharon Gless interview we dropped one year ago today! 

Sharon and Susan are at Podcast Movement Evolutions and The Ambies this week! So here's a look back to when they go to sit down with show business legend Sharon Gless. Multi-Emmy and Golden Globe winner, Sharon Gless has appeared in dozens of television shows such as “Nip/Tuck”, “Rizzoli & Isles”, “The Rockford Files”, “House Calls,”The Bob Newhart Show”, “Station 19” and “The Exorcist.” She has created iconic and ground-breaking characters in the shows “Burn Notice”, “Queer as Folk”, “The Trials of Rosie O’Neill” and of course “Cagney & Lacey”.

In 2021 she published her bestselling, no-holds-barred autobiography “Apparently There Were Complaints”. In this in-depth interview, Sharon Gless talks frankly about feminism, her ongoing friendship with Tyne Daly, her affair, marriage and almost-divorce from Barney Rosenzweig, her struggles with substance abuse and recovery -- and the lasting legacy of the characters she’s played.

THE CONVERSATION

• The moment Sharon Gless knew she wanted to be an actress – and knew she would not fail
• “The first feminist I ever met…” -- Barney Rosenzweig??
• How Cagney and Lacey we’re NEVER friends.
• How Sharon was actually the VERY FIRST person approached to play Christine Cagney – and why she turned it down.
• Earning $186 a week as the last contract player at Universal.
• “The Woman Behind the Woman”: how talent manager Monique James left her position as VP at MCA/Universal to become Sharon’s personal manager – and changed her life.
• Being forced to watch herself on film to learn what she was doing right -- and wrong.
• Hashing out billing, and rehearsing her first table read as Cagney, with Tyne Daly over a bottle of champagne.
• Why Christine Cagney wanted to be first through the door with a gun.
• Improvising and window shopping for the Cagney & Lacey main titles.
• Participating with Tyne Daly and Gloria Steinem in the 2004 Women’s March on Washington –- and seeing the true impact of “Cagney & Lacey” for the first time.
• Being Stephen J. Cannell’s “good luck charm!”
• Falling in love with Debbie Novotny on “Queer as Folk”.

So join Susan, Sharon – and Sharon Gless -- as they talk poker nights with Tyne, the “C”-word, the other “C”-word -- and what did she really say to that flasher??

AUDIOGRAPHY
Official website: SharonGless.com
Sharon Gless Facebook page.

Sharon Gless’ autobiography “Apparently There Were Complaints” at Bookshop.
Watch the trailer for Sharon’s Award-winning documentary - Show Her The Money

WHERE TO WATCH
Cagney & Lacey on ROKU. On https://therokuchannel.roku.com/details/ad336151b4b45ec2bdc282aaabc29ed9/cagney-and-laceyPLUTO. On Apple TV.
Trials of Rosie O’Neill on Roku. On Amazon Prime.
Queer as Folk on Amazon. On Apple TV.
Burn Notice on HULU. On Apple TV.

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The 90’s TV Babies return: Serita Fontanesi, Sergio Perez and Megan Ruble are back to do a little Moonlighting! Do you agree with the 90s Kids about Cybill Shepherd and Bruce Willis' hit show?

Susan and Sharon served up five key episodes for the Babies' viewing pleasure:
S1: E1 – “Pilot”
S2: E3 – “Money Talks, Maddie Walks”
S2: E4 – “The Dream Sequence Always Rings Twice”
S2: E18 – “Camille”
Bonus Episode: S3: E6 “Big Man on Mulberry Street”
Plus -- YouTube scenes and snippets….

So, did the Babies ask for seconds – or send their meal back? Do bears bear? Do bees bee? Do wah diddie diddie dum diddie do? We’re going to find out! 

THE CONVERSATION

• DON’T FIGHT HIM ON THIS: Sergio, on his mom and the recipes of Pampanga, the culinary capital of the Philippines.
• Megan struggles with translating her personal worth into a dollar amount!
• Serita’s dog gets sent to reform school!
• Wait?!? Sergio has never seen “Die Hard” or “The Sixth Sense” – or any other Bruce Willis movie! What?!?
• ACCORDING TO THE BABIES: Moonlighting feels like Bruce’s show – Cybill feels like a secondary character.
• 90’s BABY ADVANTAGE: Megan just skipped ahead to the “good parts” episode – where David and Maddie finally get together! No fair!
• Which Baby thought the show was too… SLOW?!?!
• And which Baby thinks the show isn’t feminist but “femin-ish”?
• When Serita’s mother was a baby, she was quieted from crying by… ORSON WELLS?!?! 

So join Susan and Sharon – and Megan, Sergio and Serita – as they talk civil rights, shoulder pads, “throwing vases”, Judd Nelson, Whoopi Goldberg – and “Muppet-level nonsense”!

AUDIOGRAPHY
Watch the special Moonlighting playlist clips at YouTube.com/80sTVLadies.
Check out the book Sergio raved about: Atching Lillian’s Heirloom Recipes.
Watch Megan in Bardic Inspiration’s Twelfth Night’s on Twitch.
Catch Serita’s “Not Ugly” podcast at Apple.
Watch Moonlighting on Hulu.
See more great Moonlighting content at Moonlighting21.com.

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“I was never so tightly wound as the night we transmitted the show directly from ABC in Los Angeles to New York. We basically went live.”– Sheryl Main, post-production supervisor, Moonlighting

Susan and Sharon take you “behind the scenes” with Moonlighting post-production supervisor – and legendary publicity strategist Sheryl Main. As a Unit Publicist, she’s worked on such films as Creed 3, Judas and the Black Messiah, The Expendables, Terminator 3, The Perks of Being A Wallflower and collaborated with hundreds of celebrities including Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone, Clint Eastwood, Emma Watson – and everyone in between!

But she "cut her teeth" with Moonlighting. Sheryl talks about the “insanely creative” atmosphere created by Glenn Gordon Caron, the long hours and crazy good times – and the lifelong friends she “met on the way.”

THE CONVERSATION

• Experiencing sexism and harassment in the movie industry: The Pope of Greenwich Village director “Stuart Rosenberg sent me home for wearing pink jeans. So Mickey Rourke said: “$*@! him. Work with me. Be my assistant.”
• When she interviewed to be Bruce Willis’s assistant, she recognized him – as “Bruno Radolini” – his musical alter ego from New York!
• Moonlighting on Moonlighting: “The editors pulled all-nighters. They slept there. But we had fun.”
• On Glen Gordon Caron: “He changed TV when you think about it. Everything we did from ‘Atomic Shakespeare’ to the black and white episode to… well, we thought we killed Orson Wells.”
• ARNOLD AND SLY AND BRUCE AND ME: “They all impacted my career and my life in different ways."
• On Arnold the Governor: “We went up there thinking ‘Woo-Hoo! We’re gonna change the world! But the mechanism in place doesn’t want you to change the world.”
• On Bruce Willis: “He was a craftsman with words. He could memorize a scene in a minute. What’s happening with him… it’s heartbreaking. I wouldn’t have a career without him.”

So, join Susan and Sharon – and Sheryl – as they talk crisis-managing Rust, partying in Cybil’s trailer, Dennis Dugan, The Expendables, Jed the Fish on KROQ -- and the “Curtis Armstrong Day” parade!

AUDIOGRAPHY
Check out Moonlighting: The Podcast: https://moonlightingthepodcast.com/
Watch Moonlighting on Hulu.
Stream it on Apple TV or at Amazon Prime Video.
Follow Glenn Gordon Caron on Twitter.com/GlennGCaron.

80s TV LADIES NEWS
Susan’s new play Confidence (and the Speech) has been published!Now available for purchase and licensing at DPS via Broadway Licensing.

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“I said to Cybill Shepherd, ‘You are a Prima Donna!’
And she said, ‘Yes. I am. Do you know what ‘Prima Donna’ means, Glenn? It means First Woman. And don’t you forget it.”
– Glenn Gordon Caron

In the second of our two-part conversation with Moonlighting and Medium creator Glenn Gordon Caron, we cover everything from Al Jarreau’s iconic theme song to sparring with Cybill Shepherd, to a forty-year career spent working with “audacious people”…

Moonlighting, which ran from 1985-1989 starred Cybill Shepherd, a then-unknown Bruce Willis, Allyce Beasley and Curtis Armstrong, and become a landmark classic of 1980s television. Glenn also directed movies such as Clean and Sober, Picture Perfect and Love Affair.

THE CONVERSATION

• Getting invited to the horse races by Cary Grant – who then dies before they could go!
• How dinner with Stanley Donen led to Glenn asking him to direct the dance sequence from “Big Man on Mulberry Street” as a favor. But what did Donen ask in return? That Glenn co-write that year’s Academy Award show with Larry Gelbart!
• How a chance meeting with Rona Barrett resulted in one of the weirdest -- and most talked-about -- episodes of Moonlighting ever!
• On Cybill Shepherd: “The topography of her life fit the topography of the story. She was a model. She became a huge movie star. And then she lost everything.”
• On Bruce Willis: “He was like thirty guys I grew up with. And I understood, underneath all that bravura, and all that jazz, there’s a genuineness that’s hard to resist."
• WHEN LES IS MORE: How Now and Again was born when Les Moonves told Glenn: “Write me a pilot, and if I don’t make it, I’ll give you one million dollars.”
• How for Glenn, the TV show Medium is less the story of a mystic – and more the story of a marriage.

So, join Susan and Sharon – and Glenn – as they talk Pierce Brosnan, Love Affair, Jennifer Aniston, Clean and Sober, -- and Susan’s Vicodin mood swings!

AUDIOGRAPHY
Watch Moonlighting on Hulu.
Stream it on Apple TV or at Amazon Prime Video.
Follow Glenn Gordon Caron on Twitter.com/GlennGCaron.

80s TV LADIES NEWS
Susan’s new play Confidence (and the Speech) has been published!
Now available for purchase and licensing at DPS via Broadway Licensing.

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