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British pop/rock vocalist and songwriter Tasmin Archer joins Al to discuss Daniel Lanois’ 2003 album Shine. Tasmin talks about how she became a fan of Lanois’ music, and she breaks down the elements of Shine that make it one of her favorite albums, highlighting some of her favorite tracks along the way. She also revisits the making of her 1992 signature hit “Sleeping Satellite” and reveals which band indirectly influenced its sound. The conversation concludes with Tasmin talking about her upcoming album A Cauldron of Random Notes, which will be released in late 2024 or early 2025.

To keep up with news on Tasmin’s album release, sign up for her newsletter and much more, check out tasminarcher.com. You can also follow Tasmin on X at @tasminarcher and on Facebook at tasmin.archer.

Al is on Bluesky at @almelchior.bsky.social. This show has accounts on Instagram and Threads at @youmealbum. Subscribe for free to You, Me and An Album: The Newsletter! https://youmealbum.substack.com/. You can also support the show on Buzzsprout at https://www.buzzsprout.com/1542814/episodes or at the link at the bottom of these show notes.

1:15 Tasmin joins the show

1:45 Tasmin talks about the Lanois track that hooked her on his music

2:52 Tasmin recalls the moment she knew “Sleeping Satellite” was going to be special

5:13 Tasmin explains how she initially got exposed to Lanois’ music

7:52 Tasmin and Al talk about how they responded to the album’s sequencing

11:55 Tasmin explains how Shine gets better with repeated listens

14:03 Tasmin talks about the timeless quality of Lanois’ music

18:58 Tasmin identifies what she likes about Lanois’ vocals

24:59 “Shine” is one of Tasmin’s favorite tracks on the album

26:54 Tasmin and Al discuss “I Love You” and “Falling at Your Feet” (with a brief Genesis detour)

31:53 Tasmin and Al talk about Lanois’ take on reggae

34:56 Tasmin shares her reaction to some of Lanois’ lyrics

38:49 Tasmin expects that Lanois will continue to make great music

41:57 Tasmin explains how Lanois may have influenced some tracks on her new album

44:17 Tasmin talks about some of the other influences on “Madame Joy”

48:41 One of Tasmin’s new songs reminds her of U2

50:36 Tasmin discusses the process of making A Cauldron of Random Notes

58:57 Tasmin explains where the title for A Cauldron of Random Notes came from

1:00:57 Tasmin talks about her initial reaction to “Sleeping Satellite” as it was being written

1:03:55 Tasmin discusses the possibility of upcoming live performances 

Outro music is from “Sleeping Satellite” by Tasmin Archer.

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For this episode, Will Rigby—drummer for the seminal indie rock band the dB’s—introduces Al to Cheri Knight’s 1998 album, The Northeast Kingdom. Will talks about his experience of playing on the album, breaks down aspects of the recording process and discusses why he loves the album and is proud to have played on it. He also talks about the 2024 reissued versions of the dB’s first two albums, Stands for Decibels and Repercussion, and the band’s upcoming tour.

Keep track of all things dB’s at https://thedbs.com/!

You can also follow the band on Instagram at @wearethedbs.

As Will mentions on the show, you can find his solo music on Bandcamp at willrigby.bandcamp.com.

Al is on Bluesky at @almelchior.bsky.social. This show has accounts on Instagram and Threads at @youmealbum. Subscribe for free to You, Me and An Album: The Newsletter! https://youmealbum.substack.com/

1:17 Will joins the show

2:36 Will talks about the trajectory of Cheri Knight’s musical career and his place in it

5:12 Will explains why he wanted to talk about The Northeast Kingdom

8:49 Will talks about the band Knight toured with

12:14 Knight’s experience with farming is a key theme of the album

15:32 Will and Al discuss one of Knight’s sequencing choices

19:48 Will talks about Steve Earle’s contributions to the album

26:16 Will and Al talk about the heavier sound of “Sweetheart”

27:14 Will delves into the guitar sounds on the album

Going into detail on specific tracks:

29:28 The Northeast Kingdom

38:12 The Hatfield Side

41:47 Dead Man’s Curve

43:19 Will thinks the band rehearsed just the right amount before recording the album

44:18 Will is also a fan of the cover art

45:47 Will talks about the reissues of the dB’s first two albums

49:33 Will discusses the upcoming dB’s tour

53:22 Will the dB’s ever record new music again?

Outro music is from “Ask for Jill” by the dB’s.

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Julia Massey—the vocalist and keyboardist for the Seattle-based band Warren Dunes—comes to YMAAA to discuss The Black Tones’ 2019 album Cobain & Cornbread. Julia talks about how Cobain & Cornbread is one of a small number of albums that are a part of her “musical DNA,” and why the album resonates with her so strongly. She also discusses her friendship with The Black Tones’ Eva Walker and how Eva has influenced her own music. Julia and Al try to categorize Warren Dunes’ sound and delve into their new album Aquamarine.

To keep up with Julia and Warren Dunes, be sure to follow them on Instagram at @warrendunesband. They are also on Facebook (@welcometowarrendunes) and X (@warrendunesband).

To keep up with Julia’s parrot, follow Bacon the Bird on TikTok.

Warren Dunes has a website, too! warrendunesband.com

For more information on Warren Dunes’ Pool Party Patreon, as discussed on this episode, go to patreon.com/warrendunes.

Al is on Bluesky at @almelchior.bsky.social. This show has accounts on Instagram and Threads at @youmealbum. Subscribe for free to You, Me and An Album: The Newsletter! https://youmealbum.substack.com/

1:05 Julia joins the show

1:27 There are just a few albums that Julia goes back to again and again

4:18 Julia talks about her reaction after hearing Cobain & Cornbread for the first time

5:48 The album is a reflection of Eva’s personality

7:56 The songs on Cobain & Cornbread are deceptively long

10:31“Rivers of Jordan” and “The Key of Black (They Want Us Dead)” really grabbed Julia’s attention

14:46 Al and Julia were also impressed by “Striped Walls”

16:18 Julia explains how Cedric Walker became the Black Tones’ drummer

18:43 Julia points out the part of “The Key of Black (They Want Us Dead)” that hits her the hardest

21:05 Julia says Eva and Cedric capture the live sound of “Welcome Mr. Pink”

23:26 “Mama! There’s a Spider in my Room” has a quality that is also present in Julia’s music

26:24 Julia’s favorite part of “Plaid Pants” doesn’t have to do with the lyrics

28:17 Julia talks about how Eva has influenced her music

32:10 Julia is impressed by how The Black Tones combine whimsy with power

33:21 Al talks about his reaction to hearing Aquamarine for the first time

35:34 Does Warren Dunes play beach music or “PBS metal”?

41:27 Julia explains why she won’t listen to Aquamarine again for a while

42:18 Julia discusses the Aquamarine launch party and the Warren Dunes “Pool Party”

45:50 Julia talks about upcoming projects for her and for Warren Dunes

Outro music is from “Take the Train” by Warren Dunes.

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NOTES: This episode includes some discussion of graphic and disturbing lyrics during the section on the track, “John Wayne Gacy, Jr.,” beginning at the 9:47 mark.

Also, there were some issues with audio quality on this episode. I apologize for the quality in some spots and hope you can bear with them (I think you’ll find it’s worth it!).

Behavioral health therapist Sean Inderbitzen joins Al for this episode, as he introduces him to Sufjan Stevens’ critically-acclaimed 2005 album, Illinois. Sean discusses why he chose this album and how he came to love it. Sean also delves into how he sees the album’s songs as a reflection of the times they were created in and the more timeless meaning that they hold for him.

1:32 Sean joins the show

1:44 Al explains how he and Sean know each other

3:28 Al consciously avoided listening to Sufjan Stevens’ work

4:21 It took Sean several years to appreciate Sufjan’s work

6:12 “Chicago” was the gateway for Sean “getting” this album

9:47 Sean is fascinated by “John Wayne Gacy, Jr.” (WARNING: Includes discussion of graphic and disturbing lyrics)

14:50 Sean and Al have a hard time finding something to compare Illinois to

18:59 The intensity of Illinois reflects the time in which it was made

22:09 Sean reflects more on the message of “John Wayne Gacy, Jr.”

Reactions to additional tracks

24:00 Casimir Pulaski Day

26:21 Concerning the UFO Sighting near Highland, Illinois

30:22 A Short Reprise for Mary Todd, Who Went Insane, but for Very Good Reasons

32:34 Prairie Fire That Wanders About

33:52 Casimir Pulaski Day (again)

34:55 The Predatory Wasp of the Palisades Is Out to Get Us!

35:31 Chicago (again)

39:48 Come On! Feel the Illinoise!

46:32 Why didn’t Sean choose a Machine Gun Kelly album?

48:26 Digging further into the album will require more than the usual effort for Al

50:11 Sean talks about a project he’s excited about

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Radio/TV/podcast host and talent booker Mara Davis introduces Al to the The Chicks’ (formerly The Dixie Chicks) Taking the Long Way, released in 2006. Several of the tracks address the backlash to lead singer Natalie Maines' comments about President George W. Bush made three years earlier, and Mara talked about how The Chicks’ response to the incident helped to make her a fan of the group. She also highlighted her favorite tracks on the album, discussed the Spotify-Joe Rogan-Neil Young controversy and talked about the VOTEHER podcast that she co-hosts with Georgia state senator Jen Jordan.

You can find all of the episodes of Mara and Jen’s VOTEHER podcast right here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/voteher-podcast-with-jen-jordan-and-mara-davis/id1529098225

While you’ve got your podcast app open, you owe it to yourself to check out The Jump with Shirley Manson (Mara books the guests for this show!): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-jump-with-shirley-manson/id1469077859

Follow Mara on Twitter! @maradavis

Al is on Twitter at @almelchiorBB, and this show has accounts on Twitter and Instagram at @youmealbum. Be sure to follow @youmealbum to find out in advance about upcoming guests and featured albums for this podcast.

Al has recently launched You, Me and An Album: The Newsletter. You can subscribe for free to get Al’s monthly posts, but paid subscriptions give you access to weekly posts and much more. Please consider trying a paid subscription as it also helps to support this podcast! https://youmealbum.substack.com

Al wrote a piece for Bandcamp Daily! It's about a Quasi song that has made Al rethink his ideas about the importance of achievement. You can give it a read here: https://daily.bandcamp.com/resonance/quasi-seal-the-deal-essay

0:50 Mara joins the show

1:48 Mara talks about The Chicks’ crossover into more pop-oriented music

3:52 Mara appreciates how The Chicks dealt with the George W. Bush controversy

6:43 Mara was only slightly familiar with The Chicks prior to the controversy

7:45 The Chicks' albums were not representative of the type of music that Mara previously listened to

9:14 Mara had no doubt about which album to discuss

10:55 Mara and Al don’t respond to "The Long Way Around" the same way

13:49 Mara discusses some of her other favorite tracks from the album

17:40 Mara also admires Kacey Musgraves

19:42 The Chicks have not been welcomed back the way that Morgan Wallen has been

22:48 Mara is also impressed by The Chicks as a live act

25:00 Mara gets back to some of her other favorite tracks

27:48 Al has some opinions about the album’s track sequence

29:41 Mara contrasts the current Spotify controversy with the treatment of The Chicks

37:44 One more track that Mara loves: “So Hard”

39:34 The tracks that stood out to Al

44:00 Mara talks about why she connects with the female artists she loves

45:33 The one track that Mara skips sometimes

47:00 Mara and Al talk about the album’s writing collaborations

48:52 Mara now listens to a lot more country music

52:43 Mara explains how she started the VOTEHER podcast with Jen Jordan

58:55 Mara talks about booking talent for Shirley Manson’s podcast, The Jump

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ESPN and Baltimore Orioles broadcaster Kevin Brown makes his return to You, Me and An Album, after first appearing on episode 15 (with Lindsey Adler) to discuss Oasis’ Definitely Maybe, This time, Kevin chose Kacey Musgraves’ 2018 album, Golden Hour. Kevin talked about how he got into this album, which tracks are his favorites and what makes this album one that he still goes back to listen to regularly.

Corrections and clarifications:

Kevin asked me how many other repeat guests have been on the show, and I wasn’t sure of the exact number. I can now confirm that he is the fourth guest to have appeared on two episodes of this podcast.

I referred to there being auto-tune at the beginning and end of “Oh. What a World.” Kevin noted that those sections featured vocoder, and in retrospect, I realized that I mistook vocoder for an auto-tuned vocal. I will be writing more on this in the upcoming edition of YMAAA: The Newsletter.

I misspoke in my analysis of “Happy & Sad” I said it was “simplistic but not simple,” but I actually meant to say it the other way around. In any event, I was just trying to say it’s a great song.

Be sure to follow Kevin on Twitter at @kevinnbrown and to read his posts at https://www.kevinreviewsthings.com/!

Al is on Twitter at @almelchiorBB, and this show has accounts on Twitter and Instagram at @youmealbum. Be sure to follow @youmealbum to find out in advance about upcoming guests and featured albums for this podcast.

Al has recently launched You, Me and An Album: The Newsletter. You can subscribe for free to get Al’s monthly posts, but paid subscriptions give you access to weekly posts and much more. Please consider trying a paid subscription as it also helps to support this podcast! https://youmealbum.substack.com

1:14 Kevin joins the show

4:34 Listening to Kacey Musgraves — and country music generally — is a bit of a departure for Kevin

8:17 Al and Kevin had similar experiences with their first listens to Golden Hour

11:19 Kevin explains why he decided to give Golden Hour a try

13:55 Al wouldn’t mind doing a whole episode just on “Slow Burn”

15:48 Kevin loves the production on Golden Hour

Reactions to the album’s tracks

17:20 Slow Burn

21:19 Lonely Weekend

24:41 Butterflies

26:34 Oh, What a World

31:59 Mother

34:15 Love Is a Wild Thing

37:26 Space Cowboy

40:44 Happy & Sad

44:01 Velvet Elvis/Wonder Woman

46:43 High Horse

48:28 Golden Hour/Rainbow

52:08 Kevin recaps Golden Hour’s great moments

53:04 Kevin recommends another Kacey Musgraves album

54:46 Kevin talks about writing about his memories of listening to Meat Loaf and emotional connections to music

57:07 Al tells his own Meat Loaf-related story

58:55 Kevin is staying busy even in the absence of baseball activity

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Music writer — and author of the 33 1/3 book on Duran Duran’s Rio — Annie Zaleski joins Al for a discussion of Arcadia’s So Red the Rose. In addition to diving into the album itself, Annie makes the inevitable comparisons with Duran Duran, from which Arcadia temporarily split off, and provides insight as to how the experience of making So Red the Rose may have impacted future Duran Duran recordings. Annie also talks about how she became a music writer and a Duran Duran fan, and the path leading to the publication of her Rio book.

Annie writes a lot of cool stuff! To keep up with it, follow her on Twitter and Instagram at @anniezaleski.

Also, be sure to check out Annie’s website, anniez.com...

…and her 33 1/3 book on Rio! https://anniez.com/order-rio-book/

While you’re at it, there’s a whole bunch of books in Bloomsbury’s 33 1/3 series worth checking out: https://333sound.com/33-13-series/

Al is on Twitter at @almelchiorBB, and this show has accounts on Twitter and Instagram at @youmealbum. Be sure to follow @youmealbum to find out in advance about upcoming guests and featured albums for this podcast.

Al has recently launched You, Me and An Album: The Newsletter. You can subscribe for free to get Al’s monthly posts, but paid subscriptions give you access to weekly posts and much more. Please consider trying a paid subscription as it also helps to support this podcast! https://youmealbum.substack.com/

2:01 Annie joins the show

2:46 Annie started writing about music in high school

4:56 Annie could (and may) literally create a website with just the pieces she has written about Duran Duran

6:27 MTV and alternative rock radio were instrumental to Annie’s Duran Duran fandom

10:27 Annie was persistent in her quest to publish her book on Rio

12:51 The story of Rio’s success was a complicated one

17:04 Annie talks about some non-Duran Duran-related bands she could have discussed on this episode

18:10 Al got hung up on trying to understand Arcadia’s musical identity

22:10 Annie thinks So Red The Rose stands up well against Duran Duran’s albums

24:09 Annie breaks down the specific things she likes about So Red the Rose

26:22 So Red the Rose is basically a time capsule of everything musical from 1985

32:30 Producer Alex Sadkin was key to Arcadia’s sound

35:14 Annie and Al discuss Roger Taylor and Steve Jordan’s drum work on the album

38:03 The guest musicians played an important role in shaping Arcadia’s sound

40:26 Al explains why he had never given Duran Duran a fair chance as a listener

41:24 Annie thinks Arcadia may have been trying to address Duran Duran’s critics

42:34 The album can be viewed as a showcase for Nick Rhodes

46:47 Al has opinions about how the sequencing could better reflect Arcadia’s mission

53:00 Annie is pretty fond of "Election Day"

55:32 If you’re looking for So Red the Rose to be distinct, there is plenty to focus on

56:51 So Red the Rose hints at changes you can hear in Simon Le Bon later on

1:01:39 "Ordinary World" has reshaped Duran Duran’s legacy

1:04:31 Annie talks about the Duran Duran-Japan connection

1:07:37 Annie discusses her upcoming projects

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I have had many exchanges with Jamie Campbell about music, and I have always found his observations interesting and informative, so I wanted to get him to share them on the show. He obliged for this week’s episode, in which we discussed one of his favorite albums — I Can Hear the Heart Beating as One by Yo La Tengo. In addition to discussing this album, Jamie talked about the role that radio played in shaping his musical tastes, and the formative role that ‘90s music played for him in general.

You can find Jamie and his musical commentary on Twitter at @spacegauche.

Al is on Twitter at @almelchiorBB, and this show has accounts on Twitter and Instagram at @youmealbum. Be sure to follow @youmealbum to find out in advance about upcoming guests and featured albums for this podcast.

Al has recently launched You, Me and An Album: The Newsletter. You can subscribe for free to get Al’s monthly posts, but paid subscriptions give you access to weekly posts and much more. Please consider trying a paid subscription as it also helps to support this podcast! https://youmealbum.substack.com/

1:20 Jamie joins the show

1:59 Jamie explains the baseball-related origins of Yo La Tengo’s name

4:11 Jamie really started digging into bands he liked in the early ‘90s

7:11 Both Jamie and Al listened to WHFS during formative music-listening periods

10:48 Jamie tells Al of WHFS’s demise

12:42 Al wonders why he doesn’t remember hearing YLT on the radio

13:42 Jamie became less reliant on radio as the ‘90s progressed

15:57 Little Honda was Jamie’s entry point into YLT

17:05 Becoming a YLT fan was a long-term project for Jamie

20:12 Al wonders if he would have heard Beating as One differently with more knowledge of YLT’s catalog

23:27 Jamie explains why he chose Beating as One for this episode

25:00 Al and Jamie find Beating as One to be both eclectic and consistent

25:59 Stockholm Syndrome as an outlier on the album

32:01 Jamie likes how YLT vocals are more like just another instrument

36:01 The songs Jamie liked in his initial listens to Beating as One

38:24 The Georgia Hubley songs

40:07 The songs that were growers for Jamie

44:44 The one track that Jamie is still ambivalent about

51:06 What changes would Jamie make to shorten the album?

55:09 My Little Corner of the World

57:14 We’re An American Band

1:00:17 Al highlights his favorite tracks so far

1:04:19 Deeper Into Movies

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Meredith Tarr of MPress Records (A&R, Label Promotions) joins Al for a discussion of Rachael Sage’s 2020 album, Character, but this episode is about a lot more than just digging into a beloved album. Meredith talks about the role she played in sequencing Character and, more generally about her professional relationship with Rachael, who is the president and founder of MPress Records. She also discusses the path that led her to the music business, as well as her journey as a music fan.

I made a reference to listening to Meredith’s interview with Gable Music Ventures. You can check that out here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wba1V2JlEUo&t=696s

Meredith alerted us to Rachael’s YouTube page, but here's the URL for easy reference! https://www.youtube.com/c/rachaelsage

She also mentioned the video that captured the recording of Rachael's version of "Both Hands." You can find that here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJC3-yLw2YI

And here is the lyric video for "Catch the Light" that Meredith worked on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b40AnXqEDS4

Follow Meredith on Twitter! She’s at @mpressmeredith.

Al is on Twitter at @almelchiorBB, and this show has accounts on Twitter and Instagram at @youmealbum. Be sure to follow @youmealbum to find out in advance about upcoming guests and featured albums for this podcast.

Al has recently launched You, Me and An Album: The Newsletter. You can subscribe for free to get Al’s monthly posts, but paid subscriptions give you access to weekly posts and much more. Please consider trying a paid subscription as it also helps to support this podcast! https://youmealbum.substack.com/

1:10 Meredith joins the show

1:30 Meredith brings a unique perspective to this episode

3:10 Meredith’s tweet about Adele catalyzed a conversation between her and Al

4:20 A couple of childhood friends played a big role in shaping Meredith’s musical tastes

8:58 Kate Bush’s music literally changed Meredith’s life

10:52 How Meredith went from music fan to working with musicians

16:16 How Feist wound up playing in Meredith’s living room

20:29 Meredith hears similarities between Rachael Sage and Kate Bush

23:01 Meredith explains how she first heard Rachael’s music

24:41 Rachael made Meredith an offer that brought her into music full-time

28:16 Meredith explains how she got involved in Rachael’s recordings

30:57 Meredith talks about her approach to sequencing

33:22 Meredith explains what she loves about Character

Reactions to and sequencing observations for selected tracks

35:44 Blue Sky Days/Bravery’s On Fire

43:23 Character/Ohio

47:19 Meredith discusses Rachael’s forays into covers

50:21 Character (again)

51:30 Be The Same/Atmosphere/Catch The Light

54:04 Meredith talks about how the sequencing accentuates the album’s dynamics

57:43 Both Hands

1:00:17 The segue from Ohio into Cave

1:02:08 Open The Door

1:03:50 Catch The Light (again)

1:05:56 Al and Meredith talk about the importance of giving albums a second chance

1:11:36 Meredith alerts us to upcoming releases from MPress Records

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Fantasy sports writer and editor Nando Di Fino (currently The Athletic, previously CBS Sports, ESPN and others) joins Al for what is possibly their first-ever discussion about music, even though they’ve been friends and colleagues for more than decade. Nando chose the soundtrack from the movie, Judgment Night, as the topic for their conversation. Along the way, Nando discusses his mother’s record collection, his love of Christmas music and the extremely cool set of experiences he had when he was a student at Boston College.

I mistakenly said that the album features 22 different artists across 11 tracks, but Cypress Hill appears on two different tracks, so the total number of artists is 21.

Nando talked about a Christmas village in Washington state, and I guessed the location was George, but I think he was referring to Leavenworth.

The R.E.M. song I was trying to think of but inexplicably blanked out on was Radio Song, which featured KRS-One.

Nando made a reference to "Mistadobalina" by Del the Funky Homosapien. I did not realize until researching it that the titular line that is repeated throughout the song was originally recorded by The Monkees for their song, “Zilch.”

It's not too late (or early) to read the latest piece that Nando and Brandon Funston did on Christmas songs for The Athletic. Check it out here: https://theathletic.com/3001436/2021/12/16/top-100-christmas-songs-ranked-sias-instant-classics-ray-charles-at-no-1-plus-holiday-themed-playlists-and-more/

You can find Nando at Twitter at @nandodifino.

Al is on Twitter at @almelchiorBB, and this show has accounts on Twitter and Instagram at @youmealbum. Be sure to follow @youmealbum to find out in advance about upcoming guests and featured albums for this podcast.

1:16 Nando joins the show

2:11 Nando and Al never talked about music…until now

3:31 Nando knows Christmas music

6:49 Nando found a lot of great music in his mom’s old records

9:37 Nando also discovered some great songs by researching samples

10:54 If Nando hears a song he likes, he tries to learn as much as he can about the artist

12:51 Al almost vetoed Nando’s album choice

16:25 Guster gets a shoutout for a second straight episode

17:26 Nando recalls the hype that preceded the release of the Judgment Night soundtrack

18:35 Nando explains why he chose this album for the episode

20:02 Nando’s love of this album is a reflection of his varied musical tastes

Reactions to specific tracks

24:44 Real Thing

27:52 Fallin’

28:33 Just Another Victim

30:21 Fallin’ (again)

31:14 Judgment Night

31:33 Another Body Murdered/Me, Myself & My Microphone

35:03 Al has an idea for the 30th anniversary edition of this soundtrack

36:59 Disorder

42:25 Come and Die

46:27 Freak Momma

48:09 Missing Link

49:44 Al wonders if Real Thing was made the final track for a purpose

52:28 Nando had a backup album (or maybe more)

54:06 Nando talks about his experiences with booking shows in college

1:00:38 Nando talks about his plans for 2022

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