The Sustainable Law Podcast – Détails, épisodes et analyse

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 In this series the Sustainable Law Podcast explores the frameworks and reporting systems that law firms will be considering on their journey to net zero. This episode explores the nuts and bolts of ISO certification; the internationally agreed standards that set out the requirements for an environmental management system. What are ISO14001 and ISO50001? How and when do you make a start? What challenges might you face? How can you engage the firm with the process? What will you gain? Our experts answer all this and more.

Amanda Carpenter spoke to Stan Rayfield, Sustainability Consultant, Paul Mullis, Workplace Compliance Manager at Travers Smith and Tom Coulter, a partner in Travers Smith’s Corporate M&A and ECM Group.

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The first episode of the Sustainable Law Podcast explores what it is like to be facing twinned climate and nature crises as a young corporate lawyer. What did it feel like to be a young professional at COP28? Was it a game changer? Or a fudge hijacked by fossil fuels?

COP28 attracted over 97,000 people, including nearly 2,500 fossil-fuel lobbyists who out-numbered nearly all individual country delegations. Can meaningful change be accomplished in such an environment or is the COP process broken? Is COP finally taking the youth voice seriously? Do young people need to be more radical?

With Sarah Hill Smith – Associate, Clyde & Co specialising in complex international arbitration and commercial litigation, with a strong interest in climate law and Charlie Bevis – Trainee Solicitor at Norton Rose Fulbright, G20 (Youth) UK Head Delegate & Climate Delegate, COP26 ’27 ’28 Delegate, Stop Ecocide UK Ambassador.

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In this episode, Sophia Adams Bhatti is joined by Bhargav Srinivasa Desikan for a deep dive into the carbon cost of AI—from the energy demands of large models to the hidden environmental impacts of everyday digital tools. Bhargav unpacks the origins of AI, what organisations can do to reduce their digital footprint, the innovations and policy that could make AI more sustainable and what law firms in particular need to understand as they adopt these technologies. An essential conversation for anyone navigating the future of AI in a responsible law firm.

Bhargav Srinivasa Desikan is currently the AI and Tech lead at the Autonomy Institute, and a Doctoral Candidate at the University of Oxford. His research spans the intersection of AI and society, and has been published at Nature, Cognition, Organisation Studies, and leading annual computer science conferences. He also holds research affiliate positions at the University of Cambridge, University of Chicago, and Stanford University. 

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For this special episode Amanda Carpenter returns to the studio to talk to Wangui Kaniaru, Partner at ALN, Kenya. Early on in her career, Wangui was told that rather than justice, law is about trade-offs, incentives and outcomes. Realising that this is a mischaracterisation of the role law can play, Wangui put her head above the parapet to ask questions about climate justice and the role of lawyers and rule of law in a society facing the devastating impacts of the climate crisis. 

How can questions of justice serve your clients and lead to more innovative, creative, and durable outcomes? Amanda and Wangui reflect on how to be a thoughtful lawyer, the implications of the ICJ ruling and nurturing hope for future generations.

"Hope has two beautiful daughters; their names are Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are, and Courage to see that they do not remain as they are." St Augustine of Hippo

Wangui Kaniaru

Wangui Kaniaru is a Partner at ALN Kenya. She advises on complex cross-border transactions, restructurings, and regulatory matters and has lived and worked in the United States, Asia and Africa. An Advocate of the High Court of Kenya, she is also deeply engaged in climate change policy and sustainability, examining how corporate law can advance investment in sustainable and ethical business practices and planetary stewardship. Beyond her practice, she explores the intersection of law, governance, and creative expression, using poetry to explore memory, resilience, and belonging.

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