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Anne Napolitano started her firm a decade ago as a solopreneur with an accounting degree, a background as a controller for Hermès of Paris, and a stint as a personal chef. Today she runs a 10-person firm with a specialty niche in food and beverage — and she has learned, often the hard way, how to charge what her work is actually worth. This episode is a practical, honest conversation about building advisory services into a bookkeeping firm, pricing with confidence, and communicating value so clients never have to wonder what you do for them.

Chapters

• [00:00] Anne's Background and Firm Journey
• [05:03] Early Mistakes and Hard Lessons
• [09:07] Building Advisory Into the Practice
• [12:24] Tools, Confidence, and Clean Data
• [14:33] Selling Advisory to Skeptical Clients
• [18:20] Segmenting Clients for Higher-Tier Work
• [20:42] Packaging and Proposals That Work
• [23:34] Pricing Courage and Recovering from Undercharging
• [28:19] Communicating Value Before Clients Leave
• [30:29] Pivotal Moments and What She'd Do Differently

From Bookkeeping to Advisory: It Takes Time to Grow Into It

Anne didn't launch as a full advisory firm on day one — the advisory side evolved as her confidence and team grew. She credits closing the books fast (her target is the 10th–15th of each month) as the foundation that makes advisory possible. "The faster we can get the bookkeeping done, that allows us 2 weeks at the end of the month to meet with clients and to do the advisory type of work that we really enjoy." Without clean, timely data, there's nothing to advise on.

Selling Advisory When Clients Don't Know They Need It

Many clients assume advisory is bundled into their basic bookkeeping fee. Anne's approach is to start with bookkeeping, build trust, and then show — not tell — what advisory can do. She uses dashboards, charts, and graphs in prospect calls, sometimes pulling analysis directly from a prospect's QuickBooks file before they've even signed. "We have found that that has been a game changer." Visual tools lower the barrier for clients who tune out a P&L but respond immediately to a trend line.

Segmenting Clients for Higher-Tier Services

Not every client is ready for advisory, and Anne stopped pretending otherwise. She segments roughly the top 15–30% of her client base into higher-tier engagements based on revenue size, reporting complexity, or multi-entity structures — not just headcount. Clients who don't start there often grow into it. "Some of the other clients move themselves into advisory over time. Either they grow or become more complex, or we've shown them what we can do for them — and by then we have a relationship, so they trust us."

The Pricing Trap: Being a Recovering Underpricer

Anne is direct about the pricing mistakes she's still working through. She uses value pricing (no hourly billing), offers three-tier proposal packages, and spells out scope precisely to avoid scope creep and client assumptions. But the real obstacle is internal. "I'm a recovering underpricer. You need to be willing and able for them to walk away. Because if they're not going to pay your price, it's not a good client for you." She also anchors pricing against the cost of a full-time hire — converting monthly fees to an annual figure so clients can compare apples to apples.

Communicating Value Before Clients Drift Away

Losing clients not because of bad work, but because clients didn't understand what was being done for them, was one of Anne's hardest lessons. Her fix: overcommunicate. Her team now sends monthly summaries through their client portal covering what was done, errors caught, fraud signals flagged, and money saved. "We don't always communicate to a client, and we found that that was a big mistake." She describes it as an iceberg — clients see the surface, but the firm's job is to make the work below the waterline visible.

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Links Mentioned

• Anne Napolitano on LinkedIn
• Anne Napolitano on Instagram: search Anne Napolitano
• The Balance Sheet — Anne's monthly newsletter (contact her via social media to subscribe)
• The Successful Bookkeeper Summit — this year's theme: Owning Your Authority
• PureBookkeeping.com — episode sponsor
• Woodard conferences and education (mentioned as a resource for advisory skill-building)

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About the Guest

Anne Napolitano is the founder of Anne Napolitano Consulting, a modern accounting and advisory firm she has grown over 10 years from a solo practice to a 10-person team. With over 30 years in accounting — including a role as U.S. controller for Hermès of Paris — Anne specializes in bookkeeping and CFO-level advisory services for food and beverage businesses, nonprofits, and general small business clients. She is based in the United States and is active on LinkedIn and Instagram.

"There were times I remember having to pull money out of our retirement savings to cover payroll. We weren't sleeping, we were stressed. We didn't know where to turn, and it was so stressful. It was not a good scenario." -Teresa Slack In this episode, Canadian bookkeeping expert and million-dollar firm builder Teresa Slack shares the hard truth about pricing and what it really costs when you get it wrong. She breaks down her journey from charging $18/hour and burning out to building a profitable, scalable firm using value pricing and better systems, along with the key mistakes to avoid and what actually drives growth. In this episode, you'll learn:

• The difference between fixed pricing & true value pricing

• How to raise your prices without losing your best clients

• Why identifying your ideal client changes everything

To learn more about Teresa, click here. Connect with her on LinkedIn. Time Stamps 01:05 – Teresa's journey from struggling firm to success 04:00 – Early pricing mistakes & mindset challenges 07:01 – How poor pricing led to financial stress 09:42 – The turning point: systems & value pricing 17:36 – Where most bookkeepers go wrong with pricing 19:28 – How to raise prices the right way 21:42 – What happened after repricing clients 24:08 – The compounding effect of better pricing 28:10 – Finding your niche & ideal clients 36:09 – Why action builds confidence

Your expertise has more value than you think, so Own Your Authority at The Successful Bookkeeper Summit 2026! It's a high-energy two-day virtual experience for bookkeepers ready to lead with confidence and elevate their impact. Join inspiring leaders on November 4th–5th to gain actionable strategies, powerful tools, and the clarity to shape the work you want, not just keep up with it. Don't miss this incredible opportunity! REGISTER TODAY!

"The biggest one and the most impactful one is not making the time every week to work on the business. They get themselves into the rat race. They spend the money on these programs, and then they don't make the time to implement them. That's the biggest mistake that I see. Do the hard things 'cause we can all do hard things and it's okay if we screw up."–Teresa Slack In the final episode of this four-part series, co-founder of Financly Bookkeeping Solutions, Teresa Slack shares how her bookkeeping firm shifted from survival to stability by building the systems, pricing, and team structure needed to scale. She breaks down the decisions that increased profitability, supported growth, and turned the firm into a sellable asset, along with the real challenges of restructuring roles, working through setbacks, and preparing for a successful exit. In this episode, you'll learn:

• What made the firm scalable & no longer dependent on the owners
• Why systems, profitability & cloud operations increased business value
• What buyers actually looked for when acquiring the firm

Click here to learn more about Teresa and email her at teresa.slack@teresaslack.ca.

Connect with her on LinkedIn. Learn more about Pure Bookkeeping. Subscribe to the Value Pricing Academy YouTube channel. Join VIP list for free training from Mark Wickersham here. Get your free copy of How to Price Bookkeeping eBook (the tool she used to turn her business around). Click here to join the VPA on Skool platform free training and support. Time Stamps

01:43 – Realizing the business was no longer fragile 02:04 – Setting new goals for growth & team support 03:26 – Building benefits & a sustainable work environment 04:22 – Turning revenue goals into clear action plans 05:46 – Growth setbacks & unexpected challenges 07:15 – Restructuring roles into bookkeepers & client managers 09:33 – Why the transition was harder than expected 12:01 – Systems that finally made the new structure work 13:36 – How role clarity improved efficiency & client service 14:59 – Using outsourced bookkeeping to support scale 16:41 – When selling the business became a real option 18:16 – Choosing buyers who aligned with the firm's values 20:09 – What increased the firm's valuation 22:55 – Preparing financially before selling 25:19 – Why systems & owner independence matter to buyers 27:22 – Lessons learned after selling the firm 28:37 – The biggest mistakes Teresa sees firm owners make 30:02 – What's next for Teresa & how she supports other bookkeepers

Your expertise has more value than you think, so Own Your Authority at The Successful Bookkeeper Summit 2026! It's a high-energy two-day virtual experience for bookkeepers ready to lead with confidence and elevate their impact. Join inspiring leaders on November 4th–5th to gain actionable strategies, powerful tools, and the clarity to shape the work you want, not just keep up with it. Don't miss this incredible opportunity! REGISTER TODAY!

"If they don't have the right mindset and the right willingness to adopt the technology, it's just not going to work." -Tim Sernett

Everyone is different. There will be those who love trying new things and those who are more hesitant to leave their bubble of security. One isn't better than the other, but when it comes to business, you must consider who is best for you and your business.

If you are someone who loves new technology, systems and processes, it's probably not the best idea to seek clients who like to be set in their ways and keep things the same. The same is true in the other direction, if you have a tried and tested method, clients that want the latest up-to-date tech as part of your service, aren't going to be a good fit.

It's okay, encouraged even, to embrace every kind of new experience you can have, we don't know what we don't know, and time spent searching for that one thing or niche that truly sparks joy is not time wasted.

Tim Sernett of Financial Optics is this episode's featured guest. He has spent his career helping clients not only improve their profits but build peace of mind and future security in their businesses. In this episode, Tim and Michael discuss all things technology and much more!

If you are struggling to serve too many people, to the detriment of your true passions, want to embrace new technologies, or just want to give a little more thought to the future, then this is the episode to get you thinking about what your success could look like.

During this interview, you'll learn...

• The value of embracing opportunities to gain experience
• How to find your business niche
• The importance of seeking out the gaps in your business

To find out more about Tim, click here.

Connect with him on LinkedIn.

Time Stamps 01:53 - Tim discusses his career journey 04:27 - Embracing opportunities to gain experience 09:11 - Future forward thinking 12:29 - Seeking out the gaps in your business 17:44 - Finding your niche 23:30 - Bringing your team with you 27:12 - The value of your knowledge and systems

"Nowadays I fire people. I fired one client last month. They didn't even make it two months in. But the way they talked to my staff and scope creep and demanding a lot of things that we never agreed to, I let them go within a month and a half. Where before I would suffer those clients for a year." -Tyler Otto

It is natural when starting a business to want to take any clients, no matter how much they demand of us, or how badly they might treat us. We want to be grateful for something because it is better than nothing.

But we don't have to get stuck in this mindset once our work starts to speak for itself. We can increase our price, and remove negatively impacting clients and employees, without feeling guilty or disloyal.

The goal for our business is growth and hanging on to things that just aren't working, isn't going to help us grow.

Tyler Otto, President and Owner of Specialty Bookkeeping and Tax, is this episode's featured guest. He has spent his career building systems for business success. In this episode, Tyler and Michael explore learning from past mistakes, getting your people and systems right, and why building strong workplace culture matters.

If you aren't sure how to say no to difficult clients, want to hire a strong team, or just develop your company's culture, then this is the episode to get you thinking about what the future could look like when you embrace your growth.

During this interview, you'll learn...

• The value of getting it wrong so you know how to get it right
• How to roll with the punches
• The importance of building a strong work culture

To find out more about Tyler, click here.

Connect with Tyler on LinkedIn.

You can listen to the UNAccountable Podcast at this link.

Time Stamps

01:36 - Tyler discusses his career journey 03:05 - Positioning yourself for success 05:16 - Getting it wrong, to get it right 08:36 - Managing problem clients 11:32 - Pricing for your value 16:36 - Rolling with the punches 18:55 - Future thinking 21:43 - Building a strong work culture 27:12 - Setting the rules & sticking to them

"The number one marketing strategy for bookkeepers, people would say, is 'do a good job and referrals will come.'" -Debbie Roberts

Finding the right people to work in our businesses is tough. Managing expectations on both sides can be challenging, maybe our systems and processes aren't as great as we hoped, or maybe they just aren't the right fit for us.

No matter what happens, mistakes are only a waste of time if we refuse to learn from them. When we get things wrong, it gives us a great opportunity to review our practices and see what isn't working. This will help us understand where the fault lies and how to fix it.

Not everyone wants to be the boss, some just want to turn up and do what they love, but in order to find these people we have to be sure of their skills. You cannot take someone's word on success. Spend time with them, sit with them and have them show you they can do everything you want them to do, in the way you want them to do it.

Peter Cook, and Debbie Roberts, co-authors of the E-Myth Bookkeeper and co-founders of Pure Bookkeeping, are this episode's featured guests. This sixth episode regarding The E-Myth Bookkeeper is all about how to hire great people, develop your systems and be relentless in the pursuit of your dreams.

If you are struggling to grow in your business and want to scale but aren't sure how to find and test the right people for you then this episode will teach you how to build the right systems and then test and hire with confidence.

During this interview, you'll learn...

• The value of never giving up on your dreams
• How to hire great people & keep them
• The importance of systems & processes in your business

To find out more about Peter, click here or connect with him on LinkedIn.

To learn more about Debbie, visit this link or connect with her on LinkedIn.

Get your copy of The E-Myth Bookkeeper.

To learn about Pure Bookkeeping, visit this link.

Catch-up on the full E-Myth Bookkeeper Peter Cook podcast series with past episodes below!

Episode 1

Episode 2

Episode 3

Episode 4

Episode 5

Time Stamps

01:21 - The Successful Bookkeeper 05:27 - Debbie's story 09:34 - Developing your systems 18:52 - Finding the right people for you 30:54 - Embracing what you're good at This episode is brought to you by Pure Bookkeeping. It's the proven system to grow your bookkeeping business.

"You don't have to know everything, but if you can ask the questions and then if you can figure out how those tie into the financials, you can say 'here are the numbers, but here's what they mean.'" -Jeff Bartsch

All of us have a story, but few of us embrace the ability we all possess to change the narrative at any moment. There is comfort in familiarity, but it can also imprison us. If we keep saying to ourselves, 'I am just a bookkeeper', that is all we'll ever be.

But, it doesn't have to be this way.

We can change our personal and professional stories at any time, and when we do, we begin to think differently about ourselves. If we are what we think, then changing our thoughts will automatically change our actions. Easier said than done, but given the alternative, what do we have to lose in trying to think better of ourselves?

Jeff Bartsch, founder of Story Greenlight, is this episode's featured guest. He has spent his career helping people understand the story of their business and how to tell it successfully. In this second of a two-episode special, Michael and Jeff discuss tactical ways to add advisory services to your business, the power of measurement and how to attract and keep your ideal client.

If you think of yourself as just a bookkeeper or aren't sure how to put your experience to greater use, then this is the episode to get you believing you don't have to have all the answers, just the willingness to think better of yourself and try harder for your clients each day.

During this interview, you'll learn...

• The value of measuring the data
• How to add advisory service to your business
• What your ideal client looks like, and how to keep them

To find out more about Jeff, click here.

Connect with him on LinkedIn. Get your complimentary 1-on-1 coaching with Jeff at this link. Time Stamps 01:18 - Understanding who you are 09:24 - You are what you measure 18:05 - Attracting & keeping your ideal clients 25:11 - Learning more from Jeff

"A story is where a character wants something, overcomes obstacles to get it and experiences transformation as a result. Identity, desire, obstacles and transformation. And then we as providers of services and products, we are the guide, we come alongside to help that hero get what they want." -Jeff Bartsch Being a bookkeeper is about more than our ability to do the math. There are plenty of technological solutions to bookkeeping, yet clients continue to hire human bookkeepers because we understand the story of that client's business. We can leverage our experience in a way a machine is unable to. We build personal connections with our clients and guide them to success. In this advisory role, lies the true value of a bookkeeper. Someone who can reassure, support and advise in a way that builds connection and empowers clients to make the best of their businesses. Jeff Bartsch, founder of Story Greenlight is this episode's featured guest. He has spent his career helping people understand the story of their business and how to tell it successfully. In this first of a two-episode special, Michael and Jeff explore ways to build connection with your audience, the power of storytelling and how businesses are transformed when you give the numbers meaning. If you want to connect with your clients more, but don't feel confident using your knowledge and experience to build deeper relationships, then this is the episode for you! During this interview, you'll learn...

• The power of giving meaning to the numbers
• How to tell your story successfully
• The importance of building genuine connections

To find out more about Jeff, click this link. Connect with him on LinkedIn. Get your complimentary 1-on-1 coaching with Jeff here. Time Stamps 02:12- Jeff discusses his career journey 05:55 - Connecting with your audience 11:39 - Telling your story 24:24 - Giving meaning to the numbers 30:10 - Delivering for your clients

"I think there are three main things that are super important for running a business. One is knowing how to be a great leader and a great manager of people. There's learning how to hire the right people for your business and how to build a team. And then there's knowing how to follow the rules and stay out of trouble!" -Jackie Koch

As with all things in life and business, the earlier we get plans and systems in place, the more time, energy and money we will save down the road. This is especially true when it comes to employees. How do we know if we are hiring and firing too quickly or too slowly? The answer is we probably don't. But it doesn't have to be that way.

We all want to do as much for ourselves as possible, but even if we can spread our knowledge to cover all the bases in a simple way, we will never be as good as a dedicated expert. We can guess what we need to do, but when we don't know what we don't know, there are going to be gaps.

Jackie Koch, founder of People Principles and host of the World's Greatest Boss podcast, is this episode's featured guest. She has spent her career helping people create and maintain HR strategies for lasting success. Jackie and Michael explore the way small mistakes often lead to big problems, the value experts add to your business and the true meaning of Hire Slow, Fire Fast.

If you want to hire new people or are finding exit conversations too challenging, this is the episode that will get you connecting with the right people to help you find your right people.

During this interview, you'll learn...

• The value of expert experience in building your bookkeeping business
• How to hire & fire the right people at the right time
• The importance of catching mistakes early

To find out more about Jackie, click here .

Connect with her on LinkedIn.

Learn more about the World's Greatest Boss Podcast.

Time Stamps

01:54 - Jackie discusses her career journey 05:09 - Small mistakes lead to big problems 08:51 - Understanding the value of an expert 14:12 - Hire slow 22:47 - Fire fast! 30:44 - Finding the right fit 34:58 - Jackie's recommendations

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"Spend 15 minutes a day every single day on something that matters to you. I don't care if it matters to anybody else, but something that matters to you, and preferably do all this before you check your email." -Sam Bennett

Habit building is hard, especially when we aren't always sure which way to direct our energy. The more we build a habit, the more momentum we gain, and the less we want to quit whatever it is we are doing. Unfortunately, the same is true of negative habits. If we struggle to even try, that is all that will happen. We'll give up before we start to see results, and the more we give up, the more we'll keep giving up.

We can't just copy others and hope to find the same success, we aren't them. It's scary to realize there is no right way to success, there is only our own way, all we have to do is lean into it, and build it up with good habits. Success is what follows those good habits.

Sam Bennett, author of The 15-Minute Method, has spent her career helping overthinkers get things done, 15 minutes at a time. She has created an environment to help people live their best, most fulfilling and productive lives.

In this episode, Sam and Michael illustrate the power of the 15-minute method, how to beat procrastination, and how to spend more time in your flow state. If you are an overthinker, constantly worried about making the right choices, then this is the episode that will get you believing you can be who you want to be.

During this interview, you'll learn...

• The power of the 15-Minute Method
• How to spend more time in your flow
• The importance of overcoming procrastination

To find out more about Sam, click here.

To explore the Get it done! Daily Practicum, visit this link.

Connect with Sam on Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter and Instagram

Time Stamps 01:35 - Sam discussses her career journey 04:30 - Adjusting to a new reality 10:10 - The power of 15 minutes 17:43 - Getting to grips with procrastination 20:58 - Building time in your flow state 32:03 - The daily practicum

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