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Can Fishing Nets Save the Planet? Inside This Crazy Idea25 Feb 202600:51:06

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen sit down with David Stover, Co-Founder and CEO of Bureo, a company that transforms discarded fishing nets into high-performance materials for brands like Patagonia, Outerknown, Nike, and Costa. The conversation traces David’s journey from corporate finance to mission-driven entrepreneurship, the early days of collecting nets and making skateboards in Chile, and how Bureo evolved into a global circular-materials supplier through its NetPlus program. They dive into the economics and challenges of competing with cheap virgin plastic, the potential of sectors like apparel and automotive, and the importance of pairing environmental impact with financial viability. The episode also touches on broader themes like the politicization of environmental issues, the role of consumers and younger generations in driving change, why taking action now rather than waiting for policy is critical for building a cleaner, more responsible future, and so much more. 

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Welcome to Today’s Episode (0:58)
  • Joel’s LA Property Sale, Taxes, and 1031 Exchange Dilemma (1:39)  
  • Why Multifamily Is Not Passive and Mentions Short Term Rental Loophole (3:53)  
  • Using Real Estate as a Clean Energy and Decarb Testbed (5:31)  
  • Introducing David Stover and Bureo’s Mission to Transform Fishing Nets (8:13)  
  • From Garage Skateboards to Global Network and Brand Partnerships (10:03)  
  • Why Chile Became the Launchpad For Bureo’s Net Collection Program (12:19)  
  • The Surfing Aha Moment and Seeing Plastic Crisis Firsthand in Indonesia (14:36)  
  • Leaving Corporate Jobs to Build a Mission Driven Company (16:56)  
  • Pivoting From Branded Products to Supplying NetPlus Materials to Big Brands (20:22)  
  • The Economics of Recycled Nylon vs Cheap Virgin Plastic (24:59)  
  • Why Automotive and EVs Are a Huge But Price Sensitive Opportunity (28:13)  
  • How Much Fishing Net Waste Exists and Bureo’s Path to Scaling Collection (31:59)  
  • The Costs, Risks, and Reality of Running Physical Recycling Infrastructure (34:52)  
  • How Bad Ocean Plastic Really is and Parallels to Renewables and EVs (36:53)  
  • Politicization Of Environmental Issues and the Role Of Consumers (40:06)  
  • Climate, Regulation, and Why Waiting For Policy is Not Enough (44:17)  
  • Why the Younger Generation Gives David Hope For the Future (47:48)  
  • Where to Find NetPlus Products and Bureo’s Solar Powered Facility in Chile (49:46)  

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at www.lesstalkmoreaction.com.


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How To Add EV Charging With NO Costly Grid Upgrade18 Feb 202600:50:50

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen talk with John Reister, Founder and CEO of GoPowerEV, about why EV charging in multifamily buildings is so challenging and how his company is addressing it. They cover the complexity of utilities, permitting, electrical capacity upgrades, and tenant conflict, and explain how personal space chargers, smart energy management, and a turnkey model for landlords can avoid expensive service upgrades while keeping chargers highly reliable. John also shares how this infrastructure is evolving into a virtual power plant that can eventually use bidirectional EVs to support the grid and potentially let drivers charge at very low or no net cost, underscoring that economics and convenience, not ideology, will ultimately drive mass EV and clean tech adoption.

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Welcome to Today’s Episode (0:59)
  • Bureaucracy, Ford vs Ferrari, and Big-Company Speed (3:11)  
  • Joel’s AI Story and Legacy Firms Blocking New Tools (3:57)  
  • Introducing John and GoPowerEV’s Focus on Multifamily (5:57)  
  • Turnkey EV Charging Offering for Property Owners (7:14)  
  • Why Multifamily EV Charging Is So Hard (10:11)  
  • Shared Chargers, “Musical Chairs,” and Tenant Conflict (11:38)  
  • Hardware Design, Uptime, and Modular Scalability (15:34)  
  • Hybrid Level 1/Level 2 and App-Based Energy Management (17:17)  
  • Dynamic Load Management and Avoiding Service Upgrades (21:41)  
  • John’s Background and Why He Tackled This Problem (28:07)  
  • Surveys, Convenience, and EV Access for Renters (33:07)  
  • Virtual Power Plants and Using EVs to Support the Grid (36:21)  
  • Utility Metering Model and Owner/Tenant Economics (38:55)  
  • How EVs Can Offset New Grid Loads Like Data Centers (42:39)  
  • Clean Tech Economics vs Old Narratives and Lobbies (45:02)  
  • Closing Thoughts, Optimism, and How to Find GoPowerEV (49:31)  

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com.


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How to Find a Billion-Dollar Business Idea Nobody Else Sees03 Dec 202500:41:39

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Ben Christensen, Founder and CEO of Cambium Carbon, joins Joel and Owen to discuss his entrepreneurial journey and how Cambium is redefining waste and climate solutions. The conversation explores innovative business strategies like the “Blue Ocean Strategy,” the company’s impact turning urban wood waste into valuable, sustainable products, and the challenges of shifting traditional forestry practices. Key takeaways for listeners include the power of finding unique market opportunities, the necessity of learning and adapting quickly, and the potential for technology and data, especially AI, to drive industry change. The episode closes with an optimistic outlook on society’s ability to create meaningful progress in the fight against climate change. Don’t miss it!

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Welcome to Today’s Episode (0:55)
  • Unique Business Models and Non-Competitive Niches in Climate Tech (3:27)
  • Challenges Estimating Market Size and Value of Niche Markets (6:09)
  • Ben’s Entrepreneurial Background and Founding Cambium Carbon (8:37)
  • The Problem of Urban Wood Waste and Building a Circular Economy (12:35)
  • Evolving Business Model and Regional Expansion Strategy (18:10)
  • Parallels Between Entrepreneurial Journeys and Advice to Young Founders (20:37)
  • Product Expansion, Customer Demand, and Technology Innovations (24:30)
  • Differentiation From Incumbents and Opportunities for Startups (32:33)
  • Cambium Carbon’s Vision for a Tech-Native Global Forestry Company (34:48)
  • Closing Remarks and Ben’s Message of Optimism for the Future (37:35)
  • Where to Find Cambium Carbon and Final Wrap-Up (40:44)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com.


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Why Energy Efficiency Beats Net Zero (For Now)26 Nov 202500:53:17

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen welcome Kyle Hendricks, VP and Head of Sustainability at Equity Residential. The conversation explores how Equity Residential has outpaced its energy intensity reduction goals by empowering employees and integrating sustainability into its core business strategy. Key topics include the challenges of achieving measurable results in decarbonization, the evolving dynamics of building performance standards (BEPS), resident engagement, and the impact of regulatory and investor trends. Listeners will gain insights into actionable, business-driven sustainability, the importance of aligning environmental and financial goals, the future direction of sustainability leadership in real estate, and so much more. 

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Welcoming Guest Kyle Hendricks & His Role (1:45)
  • Equity Residential’s Approach to Sustainability (4:08)
  • Early Energy Management Wins and Their Impact (7:19)
  • Adapting to Rising Utility Costs and Company Buy-In (9:45)
  • EUI Versus Net Zero: Choosing the Right Metric (12:15)
  • Resident Engagement & Reducing Tenant Utility Costs (14:32)
  • Capital Planning: Prioritizing Energy Projects (18:28)
  • The Role of Company Culture and Project Execution (21:51)
  • Minimums in Sustainability and Industry Standards (26:22)
  • Investors, Reporting, and ESG Trends (28:44)
  • Discussion on Building Performance Standards (34:43)
  • Adapting to BEPS Challenges and Shifting Policies (38:16)
  • The Future: Energy Affordability Over Emissions? (39:42)
  • Culture, Team Structure & Ways to Drive Results (45:01)
  • Reflections on Chicago and Optimism for Sustainability (48:34)
  • Final Thoughts & What Gives Hope for the Future (49:58)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com.


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Can AI Save Sustainability—Or Kill Your Job?19 Nov 202500:50:31

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen welcome Anneli Tostar, Co-founder and CEO of Tangible, for a candid discussion on revolutionizing the built environment. They dive into Anneli’s entrepreneurial journey, why tackling embodied carbon matters, and how technology, especially AI, can help make construction more efficient and sustainable. The conversation also critiques the obsession with ESG reporting, urging a shift toward real action and collaboration across the industry. Key takeaways include the need to focus on genuine impact, leveraging data for smarter building, maintaining optimism for climate action through innovation, and so much more. 

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Welcome and Introduction to the Podcast and Guest (0:42)
  • Discussing Challenges in Real Estate and Sustainability Implementation (3:57)
  • Anneli Tostar Introduces Tangible and Its Mission (6:11)
  • Target Audience and Key Users for Tangible's Technology (8:11)
  • Anneli’s Journey Into Software Entrepreneurship and Fundraising (10:31)
  • Realities of Fundraising and Critique of the VC Climate Space (14:09)
  • Rethinking Decarbonization Solutions and the Role of Software (17:05)
  • Tangible’s Product Features and Impact of AI in Construction (20:55)
  • Moving From Embodied Carbon to Broader Construction Efficiency (24:18)
  • Why Automation and Better Data Matter in Building Efficiency (26:50)
  • Conversation on Why Industry Giants Don’t Innovate or Solve These Problems (29:46)
  • Critique of ESG Reporting and Discussion About Industry Direction (33:02)
  • The Future of Sustainability, AI’s Impact, and Hope for Meaningful Change (41:09)
  • Closing Optimistic Thoughts and Where to Connect with Anneli (47:34)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com.


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Why Electrifying Your Home Is Easier Than You Think12 Nov 202500:48:10

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen welcome Shreyas Sudhakar, Founder and CEO of Vayu, about his fascinating journey from rocket science at SpaceX to driving home electrification through heat pump installation in California. The conversation covers the technical and economic benefits of heat pumps, the challenges of market adoption, policy incentives, and the need for quality service in the HVAC sector. The episode also explores the value of entrepreneurship in sustainability, busts common myths about heat pumps, and delivers practical takeaways for listeners passionate about actionable climate solutions. Key takeaway: real change in decarbonization comes from both technological innovation and delivering trustworthy, high-quality customer experiences. Don’t miss this episode!

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Welcome to the Show (0:23)
  • Hosts Discuss Bill Gates’ View on Climate Change (3:51)
  • The Case Against Alarmism in Climate Discourse (6:00)
  • Shreyas Sudhakar’s Background and Mission (7:42)
  • Launching a Heat Pump Installation Company (10:17)
  • Explaining How Heat Pumps Work and Efficiency Benefits (12:14)
  • Business Model and Partnering with Local Contractors (14:18)
  • Transition from Rocket Science to Home Electrification (16:59)
  • Startup Journey and Finding Product-Market Fit (19:34)
  • Controlling Quality and the Full Project Cycle (22:39)
  • Navigating Policy Incentives and the Inflation Reduction Act (26:35)
  • The $50 Difference in Heat Pump Manufacturing (29:44)
  • Structuring Electric Rates to Promote Electrification (31:48)
  • Contractor Reputation and Customer Experiences (35:11)
  • Approaches to Ducting and System Design Choices (39:29)
  • Fuel Switching vs. Building Envelope Upgrades (41:06)
  • Embracing Imperfection and Action in Decarbonization (43:19)
  • Community Momentum and Hope for the Future (46:09)
  • Shreyas’s Podcast, Newsletter, and Final Plugs (47:05)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com.


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How to Save $250 Million & the Planet (in 4 Steps)05 Nov 202500:44:25

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen sit down with Norman Crowley, Founder of CoolPlanet, to discuss bold new strategies for industrial decarbonization and the real-world impact of climate entrepreneurship. The conversation covers Norman’s journey from founding tech companies to leading a global sustainability business, future predictions on the evolution of Net Zero and ESG commitments, and why lasting change requires direct engagement with organizational decision-makers. Key takeaways include the importance of focusing on measurable business value, removing obstacles to fast action, building authentic relationships, embracing discomfort as a vital part of entrepreneurial success, and so much more. 

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Welcome to Today’s Episode (1:27)
  • Early Success Stories in Industrial Decarbonization (3:18)
  • Bold Predictions for Net Zero and Future of ESG (4:21)
  • Why ESG Departments Are Becoming Obsolete (6:22)
  • Cool Planet’s Four Pillars Model for Saving Money (7:41)
  • Value of Operational Drift Reporting and Quick Wins (9:41)
  • The Importance of Speaking Directly to CEOs (12:50)
  • Lessons Learned from Selling to the Wrong People (14:37)
  • Norman’s Entrepreneurial Journey: From Welding to Tech (16:26)
  • Transitioning Into Climate Tech After “An Inconvenient Truth” (18:26)
  • Embracing Discomfort and the Joy of New Challenges (20:43)
  • Building a Global Decarbonization Company (22:44)
  • Advice on Enjoying the Pain and Fun of Entrepreneurship (25:07)
  • Removing Barriers to Joy in Leadership and Client Work (27:38)
  • Courage to Say No and Fire Difficult Clients (30:28)
  • Building Authentic Relationships and Trust in Business (33:14)
  • The Pitfalls of Complex Sales Motions and Over-Automation (34:52)
  • Navigating Internal Company Politics and Decision Makers (38:14)
  • Final Reflections on Hope for the Future and Market Leaders (41:36)
  • Closing Thoughts and Ways to Connect with the Podcast (43:34)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com.


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NYC’s Old Buildings: Would You Invest Millions To Fix This Problem?29 Oct 202500:49:26

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, David Goldstein, founder of Hydronic Shell Technologies, joins Joel and Owen to discuss the urgent challenge of decarbonizing existing buildings, particularly old, multi-family structures in New York City. The conversation addresses the technical and economic challenges of retrofitting occupied buildings, innovative solutions featuring exterior facade-integrated HVAC systems, and the realities of gaining buy-in from building owners. David also shares his entrepreneurial journey and reasons for optimism about the future of sustainable retrofits. Key takeaways include the need for scalable, cost-effective decarbonization solutions, the importance of continued R&D, the complex interplay of market forces, policy, and community impact in driving real climate action, and so much more. 

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Welcome to Today’s Episode and the Urgency of Building Decarbonization (0:54)
  • How a LinkedIn Callout Brought David Goldstein to the Podcast (3:40)
  • The Challenge of Retrofitting New York City’s Old Buildings (7:10)
  • Why Building Owners Hesitate to Invest in Retrofits (10:50)
  • Breaking Down Facade-Integrated HVAC Systems for Occupied Buildings (14:00)
  • David’s Path From Engineer to Climate Tech Entrepreneur (17:40)
  • The Uphill Battle of Funding Pilots and Finding Traction (21:10)
  • Bringing Prefab Retrofit Technology to New Construction (24:50)
  • Overcoming Technical Hurdles in Electrifying Old Buildings (28:20)
  • Retrofit vs. Rebuild: The Financial Reality for City Apartments (31:45)
  • Why R&D and Policy Shifts Matter for the Future of Decarbonization (35:30)
  • Reasons for Optimism and Parting Thoughts (39:05)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com.


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From Polluter to Solution: Cement’s New Revolution22 Oct 202500:52:48

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Miles Haladay, COO of Concrete Transition Capital, joins Joel and Owen to discuss the environmental challenges and opportunities of decarbonizing the concrete industry. The conversation covers the massive global impact of concrete, innovative technologies for low-carbon production, the crucial role of finance and data, and the accelerating influence of AI and software in sustainability. Key takeaways include the importance of focused action, collaboration across industries, optimism about scaling climate solutions despite persistent challenges, and so much more. 

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Previewing Today’s Guest and the Topic of Concrete Decarbonization (0:48)
  • Financial Barriers to Scaling Green Construction (3:35)
  • Optimism and Market Opportunities for Solar Without Tax Credits (6:41)
  • Using AI for Energy Efficiency in Real Estate (10:24)
  • The Environmental Impact and Challenges of Concrete (13:00)
  • Pathways to Decarbonize Cement and Concrete (16:44)
  • The Scale of the Global Cement Emissions Problem (22:14)
  • Finance, Innovation, and Industry Hurdles for New Cement Plants (28:27)
  • Tech Companies’ Demand and Environmental Attribute Credits (30:30)
  • The Role of AI and Software in Accelerating Decarbonization (38:23)
  • The Need for Action Over Endless Measurement in Sustainability (42:23)
  • Reflections on Risk, Focus, and the Future of Green Building (47:11)
  • Closing Thoughts and Miles’s Optimism for the Industry (50:03)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com.


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The Real Reason Clean Energy Isn't Scaling...Yet15 Oct 202500:58:10

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Julia Pyper, Vice President of Public Affairs at GoodLeap and host of the Political Climate podcast, joins Joel and Owen to discuss the state of clean energy and sustainability. The conversation covers personal and systemic challenges to making homes more sustainable, the complexity of rebates and incentives, and the role of technology—especially virtual power plants—in transforming the energy landscape. Listeners will gain insights into overcoming policy barriers, practical tips for sustainable home upgrades, an optimistic view of how innovation and accessible financing can make a real difference in building a cleaner future, and so much more. Don’t miss this great conversation. 

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Previewing Today’s Topic and Guest Podcast Opening and Purpose Introduction (0:32)
  • Discussing Julia’s Career Transition and Experience (3:00)
  • Montana Attorney General’s Letter on Tech and Renewables (4:52)
  • Debating Carbon Offsets and Impact on Electricity Pricing (6:01)
  • Defining Renewable Energy Credits (RECs) and Additionality (7:15)
  • Tech Company Data Centers, Grid Access, and Power Prices (8:32)
  • Political Framing and Batteries in Energy Generation (9:43)
  • Over-Regulation, Permitting, and Streamlining Solutions (12:08)
  • Barriers With Rebates, Policy, and Contractor Education (15:23)
  • Potential for AI and Automation in the Policy Realm (16:38)
  • City Government’s Role in Policy Adoption and Technology (17:47)
  • Contractor/Consumer Experience With Permits and Paperwork (20:13)
  • Individual Impact and Aggregated Consumer Choices (21:35)
  • Making Sustainable Choices Easy for Homeowners (23:57)
  • Clean Energy as a Proven Solution and Business Model Innovation (27:01)
  • Julia’s Upbringing, Early Exposure to Solar, and National Security (28:16)
  • Journalism Journey, Early Coverage in DC, and Clean Energy News (30:44)
  • Launching Political Climate Podcast With Schwarzenegger Institute (32:33)
  • GoodLeap Overview: Financing, Technology, and Market Role (33:18)
  • Distributed Energy Resources and Virtual Power Plants (38:33)
  • Barriers in California: Vetoed Energy Bills and Policy Frustration (43:27)
  • Utility-Level Solutions and the Importance of Regulatory Incentives (46:55)
  • Political Shifts, Tax Credits, and the Outlook for Clean Energy (48:28)
  • Hopeful Trends: Cost-Effective Renewables Across Red and Blue States (51:36)
  • Global Access: Good Leap’s Support for International Clean Water (54:00)
  • Connecting with Julia and Parting Thoughts (56:27)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com.


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Stop Complaining, Start Building08 Oct 202500:17:31

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett dive into the challenges and future direction of the climate movement, questioning whether current efforts are truly effective or in need of a major rebrand. They discuss the disconnect between climate initiatives and everyday concerns, the potential impact of redirecting resources toward issues like affordable housing and regenerative agriculture, and the role of regulation versus market forces in advancing renewable energy. The hosts emphasize the importance of practical action, clear communication, and optimism, encouraging listeners to focus less on complaining and more on building real solutions for a sustainable future. Don’t miss this episode!

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Welcome to Today’s Episode (0:35)
  • Challenging the Climate Movement’s Effectiveness (3:18)
  • The Need for Industry Rebranding and Communication (6:08)
  • Rethinking Resource Allocation for Greater Impact (9:21)
  • The Opportunity in Rising Electricity Prices for Renewables (12:35)
  • The Case for Less Regulation and More Market Forces (15:07)
  • Ending on Optimism and a Call to Action (16:55)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com.


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Waste Not, Warm Not: Turning Trash into Climate Action01 Oct 202500:52:47

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Andrew Jones, Founder of Carba, joins Joel and Owen to explore the science, business, and challenges of large-scale carbon removal. The conversation covers the role of biochar in sequestering carbon, the importance of both decarbonization and carbon removal for climate solutions, and the myths and skepticism surrounding the industry. Andrew also shares insights from his entrepreneurial journey, discusses the scalability and environmental co-benefits of his approach, and offers an optimistic outlook on the future of climate action. Listeners will gain a deeper understanding of the complexities and opportunities in the fight against climate change.

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Discussing the Legitimacy and Details of Carbon Removal (1:28)
  • The Role of Science, Skepticism, and Climate Models (4:35)
  • Ice Cores, Climate History, and Uncertainty in Predictions (5:38)
  • Potential Benefits and Risks of Increased CO2 (7:10)
  • Andrew Jones Introduces Carba and His Approach to Carbon Removal (9:07)
  • The Need for Both Decarbonization and Carbon Removal (10:09)
  • Andrew’s Motivation and the Business Model for Carbon Removal (13:55)
  • Explaining Biochar and the Pyrolysis Process (17:00)
  • Economic Drivers and Carbon Credits in the Business Model (22:25)
  • Challenges of Scaling and Sourcing Biomass Responsibly (25:47)
  • The Entrepreneurial Journey and Why Biochar Was Chosen (26:07)
  • The Scale of the Carbon Removal Problem and Waste Management (29:57)
  • Addressing Additionality and Proving Impact to Buyers (36:32)
  • Decentralized Operations and Responsible Biomass Sourcing (39:59)
  • Myths About Carbon Removal and Concerns About Biomass Sourcing (45:25)
  • Optimism for the Future and Closing Thoughts (48:25)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com.


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How to Sell Decarbonization to People Who Don’t Believe in It11 Feb 202600:42:49

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen welcome Ryan Yetzer, founder of Full Scope Asset Optimization, to talk about decarbonizing real estate without the ESG fluff. They debrief the IAM ESG & Decarbonizing Real Estate Forum, and debate whether AI will actually move the needle on decarbonization or just speed up “the 2% of bullshit at the beginning.” Ryan shares why he left a 17‑year career in institutional real estate to start his own shop, how he sells decarbonization as a financial and asset‑value play (not a “woke” initiative), and why basic projects like LED retrofits and building optimization are still massively underused. Key takeaways: follow the money and asset leakage; simplify instead of over‑report; stop confusing measurable E (energy/returns) work with abstract S and G; real progress comes from projects that actually get built, not just reported; and so much more. 

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Welcome to the Episode and Nashville Conference Setup (1:02)
  • Why Current ESG Conferences Feel Broken (2:15)
  • Debate: “AI Is Not Going To Save Us” vs Joel’s Defense Of Decarb AI (4:45)
  • Climate Movement, Six-Person Panels, and Calling Out Industry Timidity (7:30)
  • Introducing Ryan Yetzer and His Mission With Full Scope Asset Optimization (10:28)
  • Leaving Corporate America and The Reality Of Starting His Own Firm (13:45)
  • Selling Decarbonization as a Financial Play, Not “Woke ESG” (16:31)
  • Materiality, Investor Demands, and the Reporting Hamster Wheel (19:47)
  • Asset Leakage, Easy Wins Like LED Retrofits, and Why They Still Don’t Happen (24:02)
  • Dashboards No One Uses and The Gap Between Data and Action (27:46)
  • Ideal Clients, Smaller Owners, and Reframing “Sustainability” as Saving Money (30:30)
  • Startup Reality Check: Sales Cycles, Revenue Timelines, and Industry Slowness (36:04)
  • What Gives Ryan Hope About the Future of Decarbonization (40:12)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com.


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Asymmetrical Warfare: How Small Actions Can Change Big Systems24 Sep 202500:48:09

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, climate leader and author Auden Schendler joins Joel and Owen to discuss the shortcomings of the current environmental movement and the urgent need for systemic, policy-driven solutions to climate change. The conversation explores why individual and corporate sustainability efforts often fall short, the importance of building powerful movements, and the necessity of bold, sometimes uncomfortable action to drive real change. Auden shares personal stories, critiques greenwashing, and emphasizes that meaningful progress requires collective pressure on corporations and governments. Listeners are encouraged to move beyond token actions, embrace the challenges of activism, find hope in the opportunity to be part of a transformative movement, and more. 

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Introducing Auden & Book Club Segment (0:46)
  • Smart Tech & Real-World Adoption Challenges (3:04)
  • Auden’s Approach to Real Climate Action (6:17)
  • Corporations, Policy, and Hardball Tactics (9:02)
  • Operational Greening vs. Systemic Change (12:34)
  • How to Fix the Systemic Problem (15:13)
  • Challenges of Movement Alignment (17:46)
  • Meta-Issues: Democracy and Coalition Building (20:08)
  • The Limits of Individual Actions (22:49)
  • Asymmetric Warfare: The Kleenex Boycott (25:04)
  • Consulting Corporations: Real Leadership vs. Greenwashing (27:45)
  • The Dangers of False Optimism (29:42)
  • The Role of Corporations in Blocking Progress (33:12)
  • Pressuring Powerful Entities for Systemic Change (38:43)
  • Hope for the Future & Staying Motivated (42:31)
  • Book Promotion and Parting Thoughts (46:41)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com.


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Beyond Climate Doom: Innovation, Storytelling, and Hope in Sustainability17 Sep 202500:45:02

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, award-winning climate tech journalist and entrepreneur Sherrell Dorsey joins Joel to explore how authentic storytelling, innovation, and optimism can drive real progress in sustainability. They discuss the importance of making environmental action accessible and inspiring, the challenges and opportunities in climate tech, and the need for practical, inclusive solutions that resonate with diverse audiences. Key takeaways include the value of relentless optimism, the power of decentralized leadership, the impact of positive, authentic narratives in building a more sustainable future, and so much more. 

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Introduction And Show Overview (0:00)
  • Meet Sherrell Dorsey: Background And Accomplishments (3:22)
  • Taking Action To Make The World Better (3:38)
  • The Power Of Authentic Storytelling In Sustainability (6:51)
  • Making Sustainability Accessible And Cool (11:43)
  • Business Advice And Entrepreneurial Lessons (14:40)
  • The Changing Face Of Environmental Leadership (19:31)
  • Focusing On Practical Solutions And Optimism (23:15)
  • Innovation, Inclusion, And The Future Of Sustainability (25:44)
  • The Importance Of Cool Products In Climate Tech (27:53)
  • Linking Technology, Culture, And Impact (32:58)
  • Questioning The Climate-Focused Movement (34:03)
  • The Role Of Human Behavior And Culture In Change (37:35)
  • Envisioning A Better Future Through World-Building (40:14)
  • What Gives Sherrell Hope For The Future (42:47)
  • Where To Follow And Connect With Sherrell Dorsey (43:43)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com.


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The Real Estate Revolution: Decarbonization, Data, and Doing Better10 Sep 202500:46:19

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen welcome Chris Pyke, Chief Innovation Officer at GRESB. Chris discusses the evolution of sustainability reporting in real estate, the challenges of balancing action with transparency, and the future of ESG standards. The conversation also explores the intent behind GRESB, the need to streamline reporting processes, and the importance of transforming underperforming assets into sustainable ones. Key takeaways include the value of actionable transparency, the necessity of both financial and non-financial metrics, the industry’s ongoing journey toward meaningful impact and innovation in sustainability, and more. 

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Introduction & Reporting in Sustainability (0:49)
  • Welcome Dr. Chris Pike to the Show (4:09)
  • The Evolution of Reporting in Real Estate (6:22)
  • Purpose and History of GRESB (8:34)
  • The Burden of Reporting vs. Action (12:23)
  • Complexity and Consultants in Reporting (14:06)
  • Improving Reporting Efficiency (18:04)
  • Challenges in Data Collection & Automation (20:45)
  • GRESB’s Future & Industry Transformation (25:22)
  • Beyond Energy: Broader Sustainability Metrics (30:49)
  • Incentivizing Innovation Through Reporting (33:03)
  • Investor Motivations & Capital Allocation (36:03)
  • Ranking Owners & Decarbonization Attribution (40:47)
  • Final Thoughts and Takeaways (44:14)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com.


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Breaking the Grid: How Innovation is Reshaping Energy03 Sep 202500:51:35

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen are joined by clean energy leader Jigar Shah to discuss the evolution and future of sustainability, clean tech, and decarbonization. The conversation covers the importance of affordability and execution in clean energy solutions, the challenges and opportunities in distributed energy and grid flexibility, and the need for industry transparency and collaboration. Jigar shares career insights, advice for entrepreneurs, and a hopeful vision for 2035, predicting the end of global energy poverty and the dominance of clean energy. Listeners will gain practical takeaways on driving impact, overcoming industry barriers, the power of collective action in building a sustainable future, and so much more. 

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Jigar’s Influential Career (3:23)
  • Taking Action for Affordability (4:07)
  • Early Days of SunEdison & Solar Costs (5:55)
  • Career Path & Impact Advice (7:24)
  • Entrepreneurship, Execution, and Team Building (10:50)
  • Jigar’s Superpowers (14:38)
  • Industry Transparency & Sharing Lessons (16:54)
  • Electricity Supercycle & Grid Flexibility (22:21)
  • Investment Advice: Painkillers vs. Vitamins (29:42)
  • Innovative HVAC Solutions (32:06)
  • Crisis as Catalyst for Innovation (34:06)
  • Distribution Grid & Demand Flexibility (37:59)
  • EVs, Bidirectional Charging, and Home Integration (39:39)
  • 2035 Crystal Ball: Clean Energy Dominance (42:18)
  • Hope for the Future (48:08)
  • Connecting with Jigar and Episode Conclusion (50:30)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com.


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Burn It Down to Build It Better: A New Era for ESG and Business27 Aug 202500:45:24

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen are joined by Raz Godelnik, Associate Professor of Strategic Design and Management at Parsons School of Design and author of "Rethinking Corporate Sustainability in the Era of Climate Crisis." Raz discusses why current ESG and sustainability efforts are falling short. The conversation explores the need to move beyond incremental change and shareholder capitalism, the importance of holistic, systems-level thinking, and why sustainability must better connect with people’s real priorities. Key takeaways include the value of asking better questions, the role of education and design thinking in driving change, hope inspired by the next generation of leaders, and so much more. 

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • First Professor Guest & Course Creation Segment (1:13)
  • Owen’s Course: Take Action and Get Out of Your Lane (2:53)
  • Joel’s Course: Question Everything (4:44)
  • Challenging Regulations & Real-World Example (7:11)
  • Introducing Raz Godelnik (8:09)
  • AI and Education/Sustainability (10:18)
  • Rethinking Corporate Sustainability Book (12:15)
  • Do We Need to Rethink Capitalism? (15:42)
  • Sustainability’s Failure to Connect Value (17:17)
  • Barriers to Political and Systemic Change (19:33)
  • Holistic vs. Narrow Focus in Sustainability (22:36)
  • Upstream vs. Downstream Solutions (24:03)
  • Barriers Beyond Capital: Connecting to People’s Priorities (29:18)
  • Advice for Students: Ask Better Questions (33:21)
  • Incrementalism and Business Model Inertia (36:14)
  • Who Should Lead Radical Change? (38:39)
  • Hope for the Future (42:26)
  • Connecting with Raz and Parting Thoughts (44:03)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com.


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Decarbonization Done Right: From Reporting to Real Results20 Aug 202500:46:04

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen welcome Gus Bartholomew, Co-Founder of Leafr. Gus discusses the pressing need for action over excessive reporting in the sustainability sector. The conversation also explores the pitfalls of audit fatigue, the importance of building lean, impact-focused sustainability teams, and the value of bringing in specialized expertise at the right time. Gus shares insights on rebranding sustainability as a driver of operational efficiency and business value, offers career advice for aspiring professionals, and emphasizes the power of authentic communication and collaboration. Key takeaways include prioritizing progress over perfection, leveraging smart resourcing, fostering a culture of action to drive meaningful change, and so much more.

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Meta Data Center Debate (1:35)
  • Mass Timber vs. Concrete in Data Centers (2:19)
  • Operational vs. Embodied Emissions (5:01)
  • Introducing Gus Bartholomew (6:03)
  • From Reporting to Action (8:36)
  • Reporting vs. Action: US vs. Europe (12:30)
  • Reporting Fatigue in the Industry (14:20)
  • Certification and Audit Fatigue (16:55)
  • Why Leafr? Addressing Under-Resourced Teams (19:29)
  • Smart Resourcing and Fractional Teams (24:23)
  • Advice for Entering Sustainability Careers (30:26)
  • Lean Sustainability Teams: A New Model (34:39)
  • Perfection vs. Progress in Sustainability (36:14)
  • Building a Voice on LinkedIn (39:04)
  • The Power of Authentic Content (41:52)
  • Optimism for the Future (43:54)
  • Connecting with Gus and Parting Thoughts (45:05)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com.


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Designing a Greener Home: How Quilt is Changing the HVAC Game13 Aug 202500:36:19

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel welcomes Matthew Knoll, Co-founder and CTO of Quilt. Matthew shares Quilt’s mission to accelerate home electrification through innovative, user-friendly heat pump technology. They discuss the shortcomings of traditional HVAC systems, the benefits of ductless mini splits, and how Quilt’s vertically integrated approach improves design, efficiency, and user experience. Listeners will learn about the economic and environmental advantages of switching to smarter, more sustainable home heating and cooling solutions, as well as the broader impact of technology and market forces on the future of clean energy. Don’t miss this great conversation!

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Introduction and Joel’s Personal Connection to Quilt (0:45)
  • Guest Introduction: Matthew Knoll (3:04)
  • Why Heat Pumps? Founding Quilt (5:57)
  • What is a Quilt? Ductless Mini Splits Explained (9:12)
  • Problems with Existing Mini Splits & Quilt’s Design Approach (10:21)
  • Designing for the US Market (14:34)
  • Software, Upgrades, and Occupancy Sensing (17:54)
  • User Experience: App, Controls, and Demand Response (20:41)
  • Room-by-Room Control and Learning (21:19)
  • Cost, Installation, and Consumer Experience (22:28)
  • Geographic Expansion: Where is the Quilt Available? (26:25)
  • Comfort and Room-by-Room Benefits (30:19)
  • Hope for the Future: Economics of Clean Tech (33:39)
  • Connecting with Quilt and Parting Thoughts (35:04)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com.


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National Security Meets Sustainability: A New Corporate Mandate06 Aug 202500:47:41

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen welcome author and consultant Alex Kruzel to explore the shifting landscape of corporate sustainability. The conversation covers the challenges of effective messaging, the growing influence of regulation and compliance, and the potential for sustainability to align with national security and economic interests. Alex shares insights from her book, "The Courage to Continue," and discusses the need for actionable, value-driven solutions in the business world. Key takeaways include the importance of reframing sustainability for broader appeal, the role of regulation in driving change, reasons for optimism in global efforts, particularly in China and India, and so much more. 

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • What's in the News: Decarbonization Debate (2:01)
  • Permitting, Regulation, and Marketing Challenges (3:13)
  • Messaging: Money, Nature, and Overeducation (5:05)
  • Welcoming Alex to the Show (7:43)
  • Polarization & Public Sentiment (9:39)
  • Book Background & Corporate Sustainability Critique (10:36)
  • Shift from Conservation to Carbon Emissions (13:16)
  • AI, Quantum, and National Security (15:02)
  • Corporate Sustainability: Marketing or Substance? (17:10)
  • Supply Chain, Compliance, and ESG Reporting (18:54)
  • Voluntary Commitments vs. Compliance (21:35)
  • Skills Crisis in Corporate Sustainability (23:02)
  • National Security Framing for Sustainability (26:07)
  • Long-Term Thinking & Political Challenges (27:04)
  • Book Deep Dive: The Courage to Continue (29:29)
  • Future of Net Zero & Regulatory Drivers (34:42)
  • Board-Level Challenges & Literacy (38:14)
  • Hope for the Future: Global Progress (44:14)
  • Final Thoughts and Takeaways (45:22)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com.


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Fake vs. Real Net Zero: Cutting Through the Carbon Hype30 Jul 202500:28:07

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen fly solo as they dive into the evolving landscape of sustainability, discussing Formula 1’s ambitious net zero goals, the debate between real and “fake” net zero, and the growing fatigue around ESG reporting in commercial real estate. They share insights from a recent industry conference, explore the impact of rising energy costs, and consider the future of renewable energy in light of new policies and market shifts. Key takeaways include the importance of focusing on direct emissions reductions, the need for credible sustainability frameworks, reasons for optimism as the industry adapts to new challenges and opportunities, and so much more.

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Welcome to the Episode and Listener Feedback (1:15)
  • Introducing Gus Bartholomew & F1’s Net Zero Commitment (2:33)
  • Debate: Real vs. Fake Net Zero (4:41)
  • Industry Trends: Net Zero Regressions & Focus (6:38)
  • F1’s Emissions Reductions & Sustainable Fuels (8:07)
  • Sustainable Fuels: Lifecycle & Broader Implications (9:06)
  • Conference Recap: ESG & Decarbonizing Real Estate Forum (11:14)
  • Energy Costs Becoming Material in Real Estate (15:14)
  • Energy Efficiency Retrofits as an Asset Class (17:25)
  • Potential Boom for Energy Efficiency & Solar (19:45)
  • Optimism for the Future of Clean Energy (23:17)
  • Political Implications & All-of-the-Above Energy Strategy (24:31)
  • Reasons for Hope in Sustainability and Parting Thoughts (25:53)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com.


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Brewing Solutions: Water Reuse and Climate Innovation23 Jul 202500:50:01

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen welcome Aaron Tartakovsky, Co-Founder and CEO of Epic Cleantec, exploring innovative water reuse technologies. Aaron shares how his company transforms building wastewater into valuable resources, recycling water for non-drinking purposes, and even creating beer and whiskey from treated water. The conversation delves into the challenges of water infrastructure, regulatory hurdles, and the importance of making sustainability both economically viable and engaging. Key takeaways include the potential for decentralized water systems, the need to view wastewater as a resource, and the power of creative marketing in driving climate innovation. Aaron's approach demonstrates that sustainable solutions can be both impactful and fun, offering hope for addressing water scarcity and environmental challenges. You won’t want to miss this conversation.

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Conference Preview & Critique Game (1:15)
  • GP/LP Dynamics in ESG Investing (3:18)
  • Decarbonization Strategies for Tenant-Controlled Buildings (7:08)
  • Green Lease Skepticism & Multifamily Decarbonization (8:58)
  • Introducing Aaron Tartakovsky & Epic Cleantec (12:19)
  • Why Water Matters in Climate Tech (14:50)
  • Regulatory Challenges in Water Innovation (17:18)
  • Epic Cleantec’s Approach & Technology (20:44)
  • Retrofitting vs. New Construction for Water Reuse (25:29)
  • Progress in Water Reuse Regulation (27:44)
  • Drivers for Water Reuse Beyond Scarcity (30:57)
  • Barriers to Scaling Water Reuse (34:01)
  • Is Water Too Cheap? (36:12)
  • Beer & Whiskey from Recycled Water (38:37)
  • Marketing, Humor, and Toilet Talk (43:27)
  • What Gives You Hope? (47:23)
  • Connecting with Epic Cleantech and Parting Thoughts (49:04)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com.


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The REAL Reason Your Home Isn’t Decarbonizing (and How to Fix It)04 Feb 202600:59:02

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen sit down with Nate Adams, the “House Whisperer,” to discuss the realities of home decarbonization, electrification, and energy efficiency. Covering personal stories, contractor challenges, the importance of insulation and air sealing, hybrid HVAC solutions, and consumer education, the conversation gives practical insight into making real progress on sustainable home upgrades. Listeners will take away actionable tips on prioritizing upgrades and understanding the hurdles and opportunities in creating comfortable, efficient homes. Don’t miss this episode!

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Welcoming Nate to the Show and Previewing Today’s Topic (0:57)
  • Challenges in Home Decarbonization Projects (4:41)
  • Discussing Insulation and Contractor Issues (8:11)
  • Nate’s Background and Industry Journey (10:11)
  • Transition From Contracting to Consulting (16:40)
  • Recruiting Young People Into the Trades (19:16)
  • Joel’s Ongoing Heat Pump Struggles (19:56)
  • Technical Challenges: Diagnosing Leaky Houses (23:29)
  • Air Sealing and Insulation Course Discussion (26:41)
  • Evaluating Old Homes Versus New Construction (28:03)
  • Detailed Insulation Materials Debate (36:41)
  • HVAC Sizing and Hybrid Solutions (47:54)
  • Final Thoughts on Progress and Optimism in Climate Action (55:57)

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The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com.


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Designing Tomorrow: Unlocking the Potential of Urban Spaces16 Jul 202500:43:30

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen welcome James Ball, Director of the Future Cities Initiative at the National Building Museum. The conversation explores the need for a radical reimagining of urban development, moving beyond individual building approaches to a holistic city-level perspective. James challenges current sustainability narratives, emphasizing the importance of community engagement, diverse perspectives, and creating an optimistic vision for urban transformation. Key takeaways include the necessity of breaking out of existing regulatory and design constraints, the power of including multiple stakeholders in urban planning, and the potential for innovative solutions that make sustainable design more appealing and accessible. The episode underscores the importance of hope, creativity, and collective action in addressing climate change and urban challenges. Don’t miss this great conversation!

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Reflections on James Ball & National Building Museum (1:22)
  • Segment: Owen and Joel Play Climate Skeptics (2:12)
  • Debate on Climate Predictions and Communication (4:21)
  • Welcoming James to the Show (7:38)
  • What is the National Building Museum? (10:16)
  • Cities vs. Buildings: The Right Scale for Change (14:46)
  • Rethinking Messaging and Community Engagement (16:11)
  • Design, Aesthetics, and the Loss of Urban Character (18:20)
  • Emerging Community Models & Rethinking Development (23:32)
  • Who Is Responsible for Change? (25:35)
  • Unlocking Innovation: Prefab, Financing, and Systemic Barriers (28:18)
  • Entrepreneurial Ideas: Biophilia and Interior Insulation (31:23)
  • Living Building Challenge & Community Inspiration (35:24)
  • Hope, Community, and Personal Resilience (40:37)
  • Connecting with James and Parting Thoughts (42:07)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com.


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The Supercool Way: Solving Climate Challenges with Profit and Purpose09 Jul 202500:49:39

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Josh Dorfman’s Background and Journey (1:14)
  • Solar Corner with Owen: Solar Industry Challenges (2:20)
  • Solar Industry Outlook and “Solar Coaster” (5:11)
  • Tax Credit Phase-Out Timeline (7:27)
  • Josh’s Approach to Climate Solutions (9:56)
  • Food Waste Entrepreneurship Stories (12:33)
  • Supercool Media Brand Structure (15:26)
  • Challenges of Selling to Multifamily Owners (18:37)
  • Communicating Climate Solutions Effectively (21:32)
  • Selling Outcomes, Not Features (28:08)
  • Building Planted: Sustainable Materials Startup (33:01)
  • Serendipity and Startup Lessons (38:08)
  • Building a New Supply Chain (43:04)
  • Optimism: Hope for the Future (46:34)
  • Connecting with Josh and Parting Thoughts (48:38)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com.


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Dollars and Sense: Making Sustainability Business-Friendly with Becca Timms of Ultreia Advisory02 Jul 202500:48:39

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen welcome Becca Timms, Founding Principal at Ultreia Advisory, as they dissect the current state of sustainability and ESG reporting. The conversation explores critical industry challenges, including the over-reliance on complex reporting frameworks and the need for more practical, business-focused approaches to environmental impact. Becca shares insights from her 12-year career, advocating for aligning sustainability efforts with financial goals and breaking down organizational silos. Key discussions include the potential of marine protected areas as an alternative to traditional carbon reduction strategies, the importance of data management, and the need for more flexible, results-driven sustainability initiatives. The episode offers a candid, provocative look at how companies can create meaningful environmental change while maintaining business performance. Don’t miss it!

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • The Focus on Sustainability and ESG Real-Estate (1:49)
  • Marine Protected Areas Concept (4:54)
  • Discussion on Ocean Conservation (6:45)
  • Introduction of Becca Timms (9:00)
  • Becca's Career Background (10:06)
  • Early Career and Sustainability Journey (12:16)
  • ESG Industry Evolution (14:12)
  • Challenges in Sustainability Reporting (16:38)
  • Data Management and Reporting Difficulties (19:39)
  • Industry Reporting Challenges (24:54)
  • Sales and Solution Pitching Strategies (26:16)
  • Matchmaking in Sustainability (34:42)
  • Technology and Data in Sustainability (38:40)
  • Conference and Industry Networking Ideas (44:34)
  • Optimism for Sustainability Future (46:48)
  • Connecting with Becca and Parting Thoughts (47:53)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com.


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ESG Unplugged: Practical Sustainability in Multifamily Real Estate with Thomas Stanchak25 Jun 202500:51:02

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Making a Bet: Building Performance Standards (1:55)
  • Impact of BPS/BIPs on Real Estate Investment (5:02)
  • Wager on BPS/BIPs Enforcement (8:06)
  • Guest Introduction: Thomas Stanchart (9:02)
  • Thomas’s Entry into Stoneweg US & ESG (12:23)
  • Incremental Approach to Sustainability Investments (16:06)
  • Engaging Leadership in ESG (17:45)
  • Reporting vs. Action in ESG (22:10)
  • Challenges of Forward-Looking ESG Reporting (25:46)
  • Energy Economics & Real Estate (30:29)
  • Transition to Low-Carbon Economy (33:59)
  • Practical Steps for Biodiversity (36:28)
  • Technology & Engagement in Biodiversity (39:04)
  • AI Tools for Storytelling & Engagement (43:12)
  • Optimism for the Future (46:42)
  • Connecting with Thomas and Parting Thoughts (49:23)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com


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Bits That Move Atoms: Scaling Sustainable Design with C.Scale18 Jun 202500:44:31

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Positive Trend Segment (1:37)
  • Jack’s Background & C.Scale Mission (4:08)
  • Challenges in Architectural Decision-Making (8:00)
  • Role of Software in Decarbonization (10:13)
  • Jack’s Career Journey (13:08)
  • Lifecycle Assessment (LCA) & Building Design (17:42)
  • Integrating Financial Data & Cost-Carbon Tradeoffs (23:58)
  • Material Choices & Embodied Carbon (26:03)
  • Scope of Analysis in Retrofits & New Builds (31:09)
  • Supply Chain Decarbonization & Market Signals (36:39)
  • C.Scale’s North Star & Future Vision (00:39:49)
  • Connecting with C.Scale and Parting Thoughts (43:17)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com


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Sustainability as Art: Designing Action, Not Just Awareness11 Jun 202500:55:37

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen welcome sustainability expert and Chief Action Designer at Hello World Labs, Katie Patrick. During the conversation, Katie challenges traditional approaches to environmental action by emphasizing behavior design over education. She discusses innovative strategies for motivating people to engage with sustainability, including gamification, social comparison, and leveraging human psychology. Key takeaways include the importance of creating actionable, inspiring approaches to climate change, the need to view sustainability as a creative art form, and the power of making environmental action engaging and sexy. Katie also shares insights from her work with children's environmental education and corporate sustainability, advocating for bold, creative solutions that move beyond mere awareness to tangible impact. The conversation underscores the critical need for more dynamic, human-centered approaches to addressing environmental challenges. Don’t miss it! 

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Discussion on Sustainability Communication (1:27)
  • Shark Tank Segment Introduction (2:14)
  • Entrepreneurship Risks (5:02)
  • Katie Patrick's Introduction (9:08)
  • Cultural Differences in Sustainability (11:59)
  • Hands-on Sustainability Practices (14:25)
  • Gamification and Climate Action (17:15)
  • Five Mechanisms to Motivate Action (20:19)
  • The Role of Group Identity (22:32)
  • The Crowd Out Effect (24:29)
  • Social Influence in Sustainability (26:24)
  • The Importance of Feedback Loops (31:04)
  • The Need for Real-Time Carbon Disclosure (33:04)
  • Comparative Rankings in Sustainability (35:02)
  • Imagining Eco Cities (39:50)
  • Importance of Early Education (41:18)
  • Creative Medium for Sustainability (44:25)
  • Challenges of Real-World Change (47:30)
  • Confidence in Advocacy (50:22)
  • Connecting with Katie Online and Parting Thoughts (54:30)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com


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Growing Together: The Future of Regenerative Neighborhoods04 Jun 202500:50:06

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Sustainability and Food Access (1:31)
  • Carbon Removal Technology Examples (4:20)
  • Discussion on Carbon Removal (6:14)
  • Scope of Emissions (9:07)
  • Community and Sustainability (11:35)
  • Agricultural Development (15:28)
  • Innovative Housing Models (19:06)
  • Evolving Real Estate Concepts (22:28)
  • Challenges with Impact Investors (23:25)  
  • Entrepreneurship in Real Estate (28:22)
  • Community as Medicine (30:07)
  • Integrating Wellness into Real Estate (33:49)
  • Data on Community Impact (36:11)
  • Navigating Complex Real Estate Projects (41:04)
  • Understanding Site Design (43:33)
  • Malls and Nature Reclamation (46:56)
  • Hope for the Future and Connecting with Neal (47:51)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com


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Beyond the Buzzwords: Practical Solutions in Sustainability28 May 202500:46:05

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Importance of Multidisciplinary Decision-Making (1:30)
  • Provocative Tweets Segment Introduction (2:57)
  • Headlines and Climate Change (5:02)
  • Climate Tech as a Business Opportunity (7:32)
  • Introduction to Akhila’s Work (9:52)
  • Value of Design in Climate Tech (13:17)
  • Adoption Problems in Climate Solutions (18:12)
  • Understanding Climate Events (21:17)
  • Idealism in Climate Solutions (24:14)
  • Challenges in Climate Messaging (27:22)
  • Government and Startups Juxtaposition (33:45)
  • Finding Customers Through Networking (37:19)
  • Maintaining a Moral Compass (40:05)
  • Hope for the Future (43:12)
  • Connecting with Akhila and Final Thoughts (44:45)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com


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Maybe Software Can Help Decarbonize Buildings21 May 202500:54:15

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Skepticism about Software (1:37)
  • Building Energy Performance Standards Explained (2:30)
  • Discussion on Fine Proceeds (5:04)
  • Grocery Store Bag Fee Discussion (9:07)
  • Behavior Change and City Policies (11:11)
  • Introduction to McGee's Work (13:11)
  • Software's Role in Decarbonization (15:15)
  • The Role of Measurement and Verification (19:51)
  • Integrating Data from Various Sources (23:27)
  • Digital Cousins Concept (27:18)
  • Challenges with Legacy Systems (30:11)
  • The Importance of Data Transparency (35:19)
  • Emissions Targets and Corporate Responsibility (40:06)
  • Proving the Mission Story (43:41)
  • Data Centers and Demand Response (46:55)
  • Community Benefits and Utility Negotiations (50:23)
  • Hope for the Future (51:02)
  • Connecting with McGee and Parting Thoughts (52:04)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com


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We Are Winning the Building Decarbonization Fight14 May 202500:48:06

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Focus on Solutions (2:06)
  • Call for Optimism (4:43)
  • Welcoming Panama to the Show (6:26)
  • Panama's Background (10:03)
  • Maintaining Optimism (13:54)
  • Reframing the Conversation (17:09)
  • Chef Insider Program (20:33)
  • Challenges with Gas Competition (23:44)
  • Future of Gas Investments (25:58)
  • Real-World Data on Heat Pumps (27:29)
  • Neighborhood Electrification Strategy (30:20)
  • Pilot Projects and Early Successes (33:21)
  • Utility Tariffs for Electrification (34:58)
  • Legislative Concerns in California (37:22)
  • Advice for Future Climate Leaders (39:01)
  • Optimism in Sustainability (45:13)
  • Final Thoughts and Takeaways (46:48)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com.


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Why the Next Generation Demands Impact, Not Just Returns28 Jan 202600:37:23

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen sit down with Deyl Kearin of DLP Capital to discuss how real estate can become a force for good through Purpose Driven Investments and community-focused action. They explore industry trends, the challenges of authenticity versus “talk” in sustainability, and the benefits of focusing on attainable housing and long-term stewardship. Key takeaways for listeners include the value of innovative impact investing, the importance of building thriving communities, strategies for fostering generational change, and actionable advice for making a meaningful difference in real estate and beyond. Don’t miss this great conversation!

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Welcome to Today’s Show and Previewing the Topic (0:56)
  • Previewing the Nashville Conference and Industry Hopes (3:35)
  • Conference Disappointments and Call for Action (6:37)
  • Deyl Kearin’s Background and DLP Capital’s Mission (8:25)
  • Impact Investing and Tenant Retention Strategies (12:41)
  • Generational Shifts in Impact Investing Attitudes (17:51)
  • Founding Story and Vision Behind DLP Capital (19:34)
  • Deyl’s Personal Journey and Adventure Mindset (22:38)
  • Industry Challenges and Evergreen Fund Advantages (28:40)
  • Defining Attainable Housing and Final Optimistic Thoughts (34:28)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at lesstalkmoreaction.com.


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The Intersection of Art and Science in Creating Lasting Change Featuring Sustainability Strategist, Educator, and Photographer, Meg Haywood Sullivan06 Sep 202300:51:03

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Special segment: Adventures of Joel’s Eco-Friendly House (3:15)
  • What makes Meg a climate rebel? (9:18)
  • The connection between hunting and climate action (13:19)
  • The need to take action in climate change (15:50)
  • Art as a way to communicate climate information (23:36)
  • Why the arts help bring people together (24:53)
  • Bringing nature to people through photography (32:33)
  • Uniting people around common climate goals (36:47)
  • Depolarizing the climate conversation (39:31)
  • What gives Meg hope for the future? (48:40)
  • Connecting with Meg (49:24)

The Climate Rebels Podcast is presented by Rayven. The climate conversation has never been hotter. As disruptors in this space, we’re hungry to find solutions to the challenges our planet faces. We celebrate the doers, those taking action against climate change and executing on their vision for a better future. You’ll hear from us, as well as leaders in science, tech, and business, as we all take steps to decrease carbon and reach net zero. The tone will be edgy, authentic, optimistic and unafraid to call out BS. Thanks for joining the conversation. Be part of the revolution at joinrayven.com.


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Balancing Impatience and Optimism with Action, Featuring Founder of THRIVE Collaborative & Founder/CEO of FEW Nexus & FEW Energy, Matt Grocoff30 Aug 202300:48:17

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Introduction of Matt and his green building work (0:57) \
  • Special segment: Zero bullshit (3:21)
  • What makes Matt a climate rebel? (8:30)
  • Staying optimistic in the climate fight (11:13)
  • We have the tools for sustainability (12:38)
  • The need for accessible information and support (18:06)
  • Matt’s early recognition of the climate crisis (21:20)
  • Converting a home to net zero (24:23)
  • Crowdfunding and community investment (28:42)
  • The urgency in addressing climate change (31:36)
  • The Veridian project (32:36)
  • Challenges locally and developmentally with Veridian (40:22)
  • Redesigning community for a car-light lifestyle (43:29)
  • What gives Matt hope for the future? (45:04)

The Climate Rebels Podcast is presented by Rayven. The climate conversation has never been hotter. As disruptors in this space, we’re hungry to find solutions to the challenges our planet faces. We celebrate the doers, those taking action against climate change and executing on their vision for a better future. You’ll hear from us, as well as leaders in science, tech, and business, as we all take steps to decrease carbon and reach net zero. The tone will be edgy, authentic, optimistic, and unafraid to call out BS. Thanks for joining the conversation. Be part of the revolution at joinrayven.com.


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Convening to Exchange Ideas and Solutions for Climate Change Featuring Net Zero Conference Founder and CEO of Verdical Group, Drew Shula23 Aug 202300:53:16

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Drew’s work and impact at Verdical and the Net Zero Conference (1:57)
  • Special Segment: The Trees Won’t Save Us (3:48)
  • What makes Drew a Climate Rebel? (7:25)
  • The importance of convening at climate conferences (13:39)
  • The impact and adaptability of climate startups (20:14)
  • Verdical Group’s founding and journey (21:52)
  • The process and value of becoming a B Corp (28:11)
  • Growth at Verdical in recent years (31:45)
  • ESG ratings and forward commitments (32:48)
  • Don’t wait to make an impact (36:48)
  • Profit and positive impact can go together (42:00)
  • Advice for the next generation getting involved in sustainability (43:05)
  • What gives Drew hope for the future? (47:17)
  • Connecting with Drew, Verdical Group, and the Net Zero Conference (50:52)

The Climate Rebels Podcast is presented by Rayven. The climate conversation has never been hotter. As disruptors in this space, we’re hungry to find solutions to the challenges our planet faces. We celebrate the doers, those taking action against climate change and executing on their vision for a better future. You’ll hear from us, as well as leaders in science, tech, and business, as we all take steps to decrease carbon and reach net zero. The tone will be edgy, authentic, optimistic, and unafraid to call out BS. Thanks for joining the conversation. Be part of the revolution at joinrayven.com.


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Creating Partners, Not Enemies in the Climate Fight, Featuring Founder and Managing Partner of Doomsday Partners, Nizar Delbani16 Aug 202300:49:53

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Science corner segment: LK-99 Superconductor (3:18)
  • What makes Nizar a Climate Rebel? (9:50)
  • Nizar’s shift from an oil and gas background to renewable energy (13:16)
  • Bringing partners in oil and gas into a net zero future (19:10)
  • The value of net zero buildings (22:56)
  • The mission and founding of Doomsday Partners (29:13)
  • Agrovoltaic Deployments (35:32)
  • Financial benefits of solar farms (38:02)
  • China’s effective deployment of renewable energy strategies (40:26)
  • What’s next for Doomsday Partners? (46:07)
  • Connecting with Nizar and Doomsday (48:51)

The Climate Rebels Podcast is presented by Rayven. The climate conversation has never been hotter. As disruptors in this space, we’re hungry to find solutions to the challenges our planet faces. We celebrate the doers, those taking action against climate change and executing on their vision for a better future. You’ll hear from us, as well as leaders in science, tech, and business, as we all take steps to decrease carbon and reach net zero. The tone will be edgy, authentic, optimistic and unafraid to call out BS. Thanks for joining the conversation. Be part of the revolution at joinrayven.com.


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Hope in the Fight for Sustainability Featuring the Climate Rebel Podcast Hosts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett09 Aug 202300:39:42

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • A Climate of Hope segment (2:15)
  • The confusion of changing buzzwords (10:49)
  • Stay positive in the fight against climate change (12:55)
  • Carbon Accounting and Emission Mitigation (19:52)
  • Trends towards mandatory climate disclosures (20:50)
  • The urgency of action in the climate crisis (29:09)
  • Consistent messaging is important (31:25)
  • The impact of climate change on ocean currents (33:24)
  • How differing approaches can coexist to protect our planet (37:44)

The Climate Rebels Podcast is presented by Rayven. The climate conversation has never been hotter. As disruptors in this space, we’re hungry to find solutions to the challenges our planet faces. We celebrate the doers, those taking action against climate change and executing on their vision for a better future. You’ll hear from us, as well as leaders in science, tech, and business, as we all take steps to decrease carbon and reach net zero. The tone will be edgy, authentic, optimistic and unafraid to call out BS. Thanks for joining the conversation. Be part of the revolution at joinrayven.com.


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It’s Time to Dig In Featuring U.S. Green Building Council - Los Angeles' Executive Director, Ben Stapleton02 Aug 202300:54:31

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Ben’s background and work at USGBC-LA (2:19)
  • What makes Ben a climate rebel? (6:41)
  • People First Language in Sustainability (10:52)
  • The Mission of U.S. Green Building Council (15:26)
  • The importance of acting locally (19:25)
  • Approaching sustainability differently (20:52)
  • Empowerment through education and training (24:00)
  • Educating homeowners on making sustainable choices (28:29)
  • Building workforce capacity for sustainable construction (30:08)
  • The struggle in the battle against climate change (38:03)
  • Meeting people where they're at (40:38)
  • The Challenge of Communication (45:49)
  • Engaging the Rest of the World (49:05)
  • What gives Ben hope for the future (50:56)
  • Connecting with Ben and USGBC-LA (52:34)

The Climate Rebels Podcast is presented by Rayven. The climate conversation has never been hotter. As disruptors in this space, we’re hungry to find solutions to the challenges our planet faces. We celebrate the doers, those taking action against climate change and executing on their vision for a better future. You’ll hear from us, as well as leaders in science, tech, and business, as we all take steps to decrease carbon and reach net zero. The tone will be edgy, authentic, optimistic and unafraid to call out BS. Thanks for joining the conversation. Be part of the revolution at joinrayven.com.


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How Surfing Can Save the Planet with Surfrider Foundation CEO, Chad Nelsen26 Jul 202300:56:34

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • What to look for in this episode with Chad (1:19)
  • Science Corner: breaking down net zero energy buildings (3:15)
  • How is Chad a climate rebel? (9:26)
  • Chad’s journey with the Surfrider Foundation (12:13)
  • The ocean’s role in fighting the climate crisis (17:08)
  • How grassroots activism can help address climate issues (21:14)
  • The concept of surfionomics and why it is so important (26:36)
  • Builders vs behaviorists and how they are synergistic (35:48)
  • Playing the long-game in creating sustainable solutions for the cause (41:27)
  • Selling the vision of protecting the ocean (44:21)
  • What gives Chad hope for the future? (51:01) 
  • Connecting with Chad and Surfrider and getting involved (53:27)

The Climate Rebels Podcast is presented by Rayven. The climate conversation has never been hotter. As disruptors in this space, we’re hungry to find solutions to the challenges our planet faces. We celebrate the doers, those taking action against climate change and executing on their vision for a better future. You’ll hear from us, as well as leaders in science, tech, and business, as we all take steps to decrease carbon and reach net zero. The tone will be edgy, authentic, optimistic and unafraid to call out BS. Thanks for joining the conversation. Be part of the revolution at joinrayven.com.


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Finding the Inflection Point in Clean-Energy Investing for Long-Term Growth with SVP and Portfolio Manager at Lazard Asset Management, Shanu Mathew21 Jul 202300:56:46

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • If Climate-Tech were an NBA Legend: Special Segment (2:45)
  • Shanu’s background in the clean energy space (12:57)
  • How is Shanu a climate rebel? (13:59)
  • Living in the gray area of climate transition (15:58)
  • Shanu’s intersection of finance and sustainability (18:08)
  • Investing for impact, growth, and change (23:43)
  • Finding the inflection point for investors (29:30)
  • Using the platform of social media to drive data points and inspire change (31:31)
  • Turning passion into thought leadership in sustainability (38:13)
  • The friction of quick growth vs long-term growth (41:19)
  • California’s NEM 3.0 impact in the national residential investment conversation (50:31)
  • What gives Shanu hope for the future in climate change? (53:28)
  • Connecting with Shanu (55:25)

The Climate Rebels Podcast

 is presented by Rayven. The climate conversation has never been hotter. As disruptors in this space, we’re hungry to find solutions to the challenges our planet faces. We celebrate the doers, those taking action against climate change and executing on their vision for a better future. You’ll hear from us, as well as leaders in science, tech, and business, as we all take steps to decrease carbon and reach net zero. The tone will be edgy, authentic, optimistic and unafraid to call out BS. Thanks for joining the conversation. Be part of the revolution at 

joinrayven.com


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Protecting Nature’s Place in the Global Economy with Managing Partner at EcoAdvisors & Founder at EcoInvestors Capital, Hari Balasubramanian12 Jul 202300:52:52

In this episode of the Climate Rebels Podcast, the crew welcomes Hari Balasubramanian, Managing Partner at EcoAdvisors & Founder at EcoInvestors Capital. During the conversation, Hari shares how working with seahorses in Portugal sparked a desire to work in sustainability and conservation. Since then, Hari has spent over two decades impacting the space and driving change. The group discusses why philanthropy can only go so far in driving change, educating investors on how to achieve decarbonization, the business models of the future that drive revenue and protect nature, how people and nature have to coincide, and more.

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Zero Bullshit Segment: Elon Musk creating waves in the climate conversation (3:15)
  • How is Hari a climate rebel? (12:59)
  • How working with  seahorses impacted Hari’s journey in sustainability (14:07)
  • Why philanthropy can only go so far in driving change (17:12)
  • The risk and return of microfinance (22:08)
  • Driving real change to combat the climate crisis (23:33)
  • Educating investors on how to achieve decarbonization (29:54)
  • Are we moving fast enough in real estate to achieve net-zero? (32:30) 
  • Meeting investors where they are at to guide them in investing for impact (35:48)
  • People and nature have to coincide (41:01)
  • Business models of the future that drive revenue and protect nature (43:40)
  • Less talk, more action: Solutions for the climate crisis (46:22)
  • What gives Hari hope for the future? (49:40)
  • Connecting with Hari and EcoAdvisors and EcoInvestors (51:42)

The Climate Rebels Podcast is presented by Rayven. The climate conversation has never been hotter. As disruptors in this space, we’re hungry to find solutions to the challenges our planet faces. We celebrate the doers, those taking action against climate change and executing on their vision for a better future. You’ll hear from us, as well as leaders in science, tech, and business, as we all take steps to decrease carbon and reach net zero. The tone will be edgy, authentic, optimistic and unafraid to call out BS. Thanks for joining the conversation. Be part of the revolution at joinrayven.com.

 


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From Food Stamps to Seven-Figure Success with Founder and President of Rayven, Owen Barrett05 Jul 202300:57:40

In this episode of the Climate Rebels Podcast, host Joel Cesare interviews fellow co-host Owen Barrett on the show. During the conversation, Owen shares his journey from living on food stamps to becoming a millionaire with a clean tech real estate idea. Other topics in the conversation include having the “all-in” mindset of a successful entrepreneur, how business is going to solve the environmental crisis, calling out claims of forward-leaning companies, and more. 

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Is that comment for real? Calling out claims of forward-leaning companies (2:31)
  • How is Owen a climate rebel? (12:59)
  • The “all-in” mindset of a successful entrepreneur (13:56)
  • Owen’s first steps into the entrepreneurial world (19:58)
  • Business is going to solve environmental crises (21:15)
  • From food stamps to initial success through Prop 39 (26:15)
  • The origin story of ZNE Capital (36:10)
  • Overcoming obstacles from impact investors (45:04)
  • Paying investors to fight the climate crisis (51:01)
  • What excites Owen about the future of climate change? (54:25)

The Climate Rebels Podcast is presented by Rayven. The climate conversation has never been hotter. As disruptors in this space, we’re hungry to find solutions to the challenges our planet faces. We celebrate the doers, those taking action against climate change and executing on their vision for a better future. You’ll hear from us, as well as leaders in science, tech, and business, as we all take steps to decrease carbon and reach net zero. Let’s get to work at joinrayven.com.

 


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Corporate Net Zero: Shift or Sham? The REAL 2026 Predictions21 Jan 202600:44:12

In this episode of Less Talk, More Action, Joel and Owen welcome Katie Neck, founder of Sustained Futures, as she shares lessons from Formula 1, explains the urgent need to close the global “green skills gap,” and discusses effective ways to upskill both corporate teams and young people for climate action. The conversation covers the evolution of sustainability in business, the pitfalls of overreliance on jargon and carbon offsets, and the power of entrepreneurial action and optimism in facing climate challenges. Listeners will gain insights into fostering practical climate solutions, the importance of accessible green education, actionable strategies for creating real impact in their communities and organizations, and so much more. 

Highlights from this week’s conversation include:

  • Welcome to Today’s Episode with Katie Neck (0:58)
  • Optimism in Climate and Skills Gap (3:07)
  • Katie’s Path From F1 to Sustainability (6:06)
  • F1’s Move Toward Sustainable Fuels (8:56)
  • F1’s Environmental Strategies Discussed (11:47)
  • Shift From Consulting to Entrepreneurship (14:22)
  • Launching Sustained Futures (15:34)
  • Winning First Client and Early Growth (18:29)
  • Expanding Into U.S. Market (21:11)
  • ESG Approaches Across Regions (23:12)
  • Football and Building a Sustainability Brand (25:06)
  • Procurement and Employee Upskilling Focus (27:03)
  • Connecting Youth Education to Projects (29:48)
  • Barriers to Hands-On Learning in Schools (31:26)
  • Virtual Impact Academy Launch (36:05)
  • Rethinking Public Versus Private Education (38:29)
  • Alternative Learning Models Emerging (41:07)
  • Hope for the Future and Call to Action (42:37)

The nexus of business, policy, and sustainability is more divided than ever, but Less Talk, More Action is here to cut through the noise. Hosted by clean energy experts Joel Cesare and Owen Barrett, this podcast dives into the front lines of decarbonization, net-zero real estate, and entrepreneurship. Each episode features bold questions, real solutions, and stories from leaders in science, tech, and business who are taking action to make the world a better place. Join us as we move beyond talk and work toward a cleaner, net-zero future. Learn more and subscribe at www.lesstalkmoreaction.com.


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Investing in Real Estate Strategically and Sustainably with the Co-Founder & Managing Partner at Fifth Wall, Brendan Wallace28 Jun 202300:42:16

Today we are speaking to Brendan Wallace, Co-Founder & Managing Partner at Fifth Wall, the largest venture capital firm focused on technologies for the global real estate industry, including those which decarbonize the sector. We discuss everything from real estate’s massive impact and potential to mitigate our carbon footprint to the ways in which a lot of climate activism is theatrical. 

Listen for Brendan’s take on why our spaces have the most potential to help the carbon crises. And he breaks down the transition for how to make impactful changes to save the planet. It starts with awareness, capital, and then gets down to how humans decide to dedicate their lives. Let’s dive into it! 

Rebel topics:

  • Software vs hardware investors 
  • Real estate’s impact on CO2 emissions 
  • Joel’s flooded LinkedIn DM’s
  • The carbon impact of concrete 
  • Investing time and capital into issues that make a difference 
  • Fifth Wall’s goal to mobilize the largest real estate owners  
  • …and more!

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The Importance of Electrifying our Homes Now with CEO and Co-founder of Rewiring America, Ari Matusiak21 Jun 202300:44:09

Today we are speaking to Ari Matusiak, distinguished leader and social entrepreneur, leading the charge in promoting home electrification, confronting climate change, and tackling economic inequality. He’s the CEO and co-founder of Rewiring America, the market leading organization focused on electrifying everything in our homes, businesses and communities.

We discuss what it means to electrify our homes. Why should we do it? Where should we start? Ari shares the importance of “kitchen table decisions,” the key choices and timing that go into making a purchase that impact your home and family. In this case, decisions like choosing electric machines like water pumps, induction stoves, and heat pumps.

We also discuss Ari’s time in the Obama Administration and his role in passing the Inflation Reduction Act. Tune in for Rewiring America’s launch of the personal electrification planning tool which will help you understand how to electrify your home. Overwhelmed? Don’t worry, Ari’s first house post college ran on oil and his oil bill was more expensive than his rent. Now he’s fighting to save the world- one electric machine at a time. 

Rebel topics:

  • Why it’s important that we electrify our houses
  • Rewiring America’s focus on “kitchen table decisions” 
  • Ari’s time in the Obama White House 
  • The efficiency of electric machines 
  • Rewiring America’s launch of its personal electrification planning tool 
  • Does Google Bard know Rayven? Our first bit using Generative AI 
  • …and more!

 

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Protecting What You Love with Executive Director of Building Transparency, Stacy Smedley14 Jun 202300:36:57

Today we are speaking to Stacy Smedley, the Executive Director of Building Transparency, a nonprofit organization that is focused on making information and tools easily available to help the building industry quickly and effectively address the impact of embodied carbon’s role on climate change.

We discuss Stacy’s “Impact Junkie” mentality, her heart wrenching origin story that kickstarted her carbon journey, and how she’s leading Building Transparency in its creation and execution of the impactful EC3 tool. She shares her POV on how our company Rayven can make the best decisions for materials after we buy buildings. Stacy gives us a taste of her meme website which is home to many published infographics and tells us about the climate songs she’s written. Tune in for how Stacy accidentally became a LinkedIn climate influencer and has made us all more knowledgeable in the process. 

Rebel topics:

  • Stacy’s childhood origin story that kick started her career in climate 
  • People protect what they love mentality 
  • What is embodied carbon and the EC3 tool? 
  • The push to retrofit instead of rebuild
  • Private policy vs public policy
  • Stacy’s website climateeverything.com (climate memes, infographics, songs, etc.) 
  • …and more!

Connect with Rayven:

@JoinRayven on Youtube, Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok 

Check out Stacy’s music : https://climateeverything.com/climatesongs


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Changing our Relationship with Carbon with VP of Sustainability for the Americas at Interface, Lisa Conway07 Jun 202300:40:55

Today we are speaking to Lisa Conway, VP of Sustainability for the Americas at Interface – the global flooring manufacturer that is changing the game with their carbon storing flooring. She is passionate about bringing awareness to the interconnectedness of environmental sustainability and human health. 

We chat about flipping the carbon narrative and the value in becoming a “carbon lover.” Lisa gives us a deep dive on Interface’s “beyond zero” tiles and why flooring has more of an impact on the environment than you think. We dive into Lisa’s transition from sales to sustainability and thus proves you don't need a formal education in sustainability to make an impact! We thought we were carbon lovers, but Lisa has the ink to prove her love! 

 

Rebel topics:

  • Flipping the narrative about carbon 

  • Maintaining a “healthy disdain for the impossible”

  • Interface’s founder and origin story 

  • “Beyond zero” carpet tiles 

  • How you SHOULD be using offsets

  • What’s the EC3 calculator? 

  • …and more!

 

Connect with Rayven:

@JoinRayven on Youtube, Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok 


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