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Human Side of Construction

Angelo Suntres

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Fréquence : 1 épisode/7j. Total Éps: 22

Helping construction leaders improve the human experience in the industry.

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Ep.0 - Construction's Biggest Risk

Saison 1

jeudi 19 mars 2026 • Durée 09:38

Every construction leader faces the same problem on every project and in every organization. It's not schedule. It's not budget. It's not scope. It's people. In this intro episode, I break down why the construction industry's biggest risk has nothing to do with technical competence — and everything to do with a leadership skills gap we've been ignoring for decades. I share the statistics nobody wants to put on a conference slide, the workforce collision that's already happening, and the question that's driven everything I've done for the past 20 years: how do we fix construction culture before construction culture fixes us? This is The Human Side of Construction Podcast. Episode 1 drops next featuring Geoff Smith, Executive Chair of EllisDon.

This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit humansideofconstruction.substack.com

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Ep.1 - It's Not About the Buildings w/ Geoff Smith

Saison 1 · Épisode 1

mardi 24 mars 2026 • Durée 54:11

Geoff Smith spent 30 years leading EllisDon from a regional builder into one of the largest construction companies in North America. He's a lawyer by training who openly admits he can't build a card house — and that vulnerability became the foundation of a leadership philosophy that shaped an entire organization.

In this episode, we get into:

→ How Geoff's people-first leadership style was born out of necessity, not strategy — and why that matters more than you think

→ Why EllisDon has no mission statement and no vision statement, on purpose

→ The "moments of truth" that define real culture — including firing profitable people who violated it

→ Why standard EAP programs failed EllisDon's people and what they built instead

→ Geoff's personal admission about his own mental health struggles and the realization that everyone around him was fighting the same battle in silence

→ The generational shift in construction leadership: "I spent my career looking for work. Kieran's gonna spend his career recruiting and retaining good people."

→ The six-word question Geoff wishes he'd asked 30 years earlier

This conversation goes places most construction leaders won't go publicly. Whether you're a CEO, a project manager, or just starting to figure out what kind of leader you want to be — this one's for you.

📺 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@humansideofconstruction

🎙️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2FShMu5dJbpLEQDAp88KT8?si=GzVtM5HgQNWNKTbZnrkzEw

🎙️ Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/human-side-of-construction/id1886591709

Want to be a guest? Reach out: angelo@hsoc.one

This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit humansideofconstruction.substack.com

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Ep.2 - Recruitment Won't Solve Retention Issues

Saison 1 · Épisode 2

mardi 31 mars 2026 • Durée 10:17

The construction industry has been talking about the labour shortage for two decades. We know the numbers. We’ve seen the projections. And yet the gap keeps growing. In this solo episode, Angelo makes the case that we’ve been solving for the wrong problem — and that the real crisis isn’t about who we’re bringing in, it’s about who we’re losing and why.

In this episode:

→ Why 430,000 new workers per year still won’t close the gap — and what the numbers actually miss

→ The hidden cost of turnover: $135K–$180K per employee, plus schedule hits, knowledge loss, and project disruption

→ Why 40% of US construction apprentices never complete their programs

→ The real reasons people leave construction — and why wages aren’t at the top of the list

→ Why the toughness culture that built this industry is now driving talent out of it

→ What younger workers actually want — and why calling them “less committed” misses the point

→ Why retention is a leadership function, not an HR function

→ The one question every construction leader should ask their team this week

This episode is for anyone who’s tired of hearing about the labour shortage without hearing what to actually do about it.

Want to be a guest? Reach out: angelo@hsoc.one

This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit humansideofconstruction.substack.com

Ep.3 - AI, Estimating, and the Future of Pre-Construction w/ Patrick Murphy

Saison 1 · Épisode 3

lundi 6 avril 2026 • Durée 50:18

Patrick Murphy grew up in a fourth-generation construction family, left to earn his CPA, worked at Deloitte, served in the US Congress, and came back to lead at Coastal Construction — Florida’s largest GC. When he returned, he saw his estimating team spending more than half their time on manual takeoffs. So he built Togal.AI, an AI-powered takeoff platform trained on millions of construction plans. In this episode, Angelo and Patrick go deep on what AI actually means for construction — not the hype, but the real implications for leadership, estimating, workforce development, and the future of how we build.

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In this episode:

→ What a fourth-generation construction upbringing teaches you about leadership, respect, and hard work

→ Patrick’s hero’s journey: from Deloitte to Congress to building a construction tech company

→ Why the younger generation isn’t lazy — they’re under-stimulated and under-challenged

→ Why estimators spend 50–60% of their time on manual takeoffs — and what that costs the industry

→ How Togal.AI was built inside a working GC and why it was spun out to serve the entire industry

→ The science vs. the art of estimating: what AI should handle and what humans must own

→ Independent research: 4x productivity gains and 98%+ accuracy vs. 97% human accuracy

→ Jevons’ Paradox and why construction efficiency will create more work, not fewer jobs

→ Patrick’s five-year prediction: prompt-based construction document generation

→ Why estimators are about to become the most valuable people in the building

→ Career advice: AI proficiency, network building, and solving problems before your boss asks

This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit

Ep.4 - It's A Leadership Issue - Not a Generational Gap

Saison 1 · Épisode 4

lundi 13 avril 2026 • Durée 08:03

Why do construction companies keep losing good people and blaming the generation instead of the gap? In this solo episode, Angelo breaks down the real reason workers walk away — mismatched expectations that nobody talks about — and lays out what leaders can do about it this week.

In this episode:

• Why this isn’t a generational problem — it’s an expectations problem

• How frustration and disappointment from unmet expectations are the two fastest ways to lose someone

• The three areas where generational gaps create operational friction: how we live, how we work, and how we communicate

• Why younger workers aren’t soft — their baseline for what’s normal has shifted

• The communication breakdown: performance issue vs. delivery issue

• Why acknowledgement has to come before solutions

• The difference between “treating everyone the same” and “paying attention to what each person needs”

• Why the previous generation worked so hard specifically so the next one wouldn’t have to — and why we’re frustrated that it worked

• Three things leaders can do immediately: audit communication, create structured knowledge transfer, and ask the question

• Your one takeaway: ask someone from a different generation how they need to be led

This episode is for anyone who leads a multi-generational team in construction and suspects the gap might be costing more than they think.

Want to be a guest? Reach out: angelo@hsoc.one

This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit humansideofconstruction.substack.com

Ep.6 - Why Your Best People Leave

Saison 1 · Épisode 6

lundi 27 avril 2026 • Durée 07:49

Construction has a retention problem, and most leaders are diagnosing it wrong. People aren’t leaving for ten thousand dollars and a fancier title. They’re leaving because they can’t see a future inside your organization, and instead of asking, they assume there isn’t one.

In this solo episode, Angelo breaks down the four things every construction leader has to get right to stop the slow bleed of talent: confronting the promotion bottleneck honestly, redefining what growth looks like, building a real talent pipeline before it’s an emergency, and having the two career conversations almost everyone avoids.

Key topics covered

• Why “they left for the money” is almost always the wrong diagnosis

• The promotion bottleneck in construction — and why silence about it is the real problem

• Generational expectations: progression every two to five years isn’t entitlement, it’s the world they grew up in

• Reframing growth: cross-functional exposure, expanded scope, and seat-at-the-table moves that aren’t promotions but are real growth

• The development-plan test: can your high-potential people describe their path specifically?

• Building the talent pipeline before you need it — critical roles, competencies, and bench identification

• Why companies grooming people in secret are the ones losing them

• The two awkward conversations that separate organizations where careers are built from organizations where people pass through

• Honesty delivered with respect as a leadership standard

• This week’s challenge: have the one career conversation you’ve been putting off

This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit humansideofconstruction.substack.com

Ep.5 - What Psychological Safety Actually Looks Like in Construction

Saison 1 · Épisode 5

lundi 20 avril 2026 • Durée 01:02:41

Kabri Lehrman-Schmid is a Project Superintendent at Hensel Phelps with over 17 years experience. She’s currently leading the S Concourse Evolution Project at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport as part of a $2B+ terminal renovation program, with a career portfolio that already exceeds $2 billion in completed project value. Off the job site, she’s co-founded Build With Pride Seattle, co-chairs the Washington State Task Force on Construction Suicide Prevention, and created one of the first toolbox talks on neurodiversity in construction. In this episode, Angelo and Kabri go deep on what psychological safety actually looks like in the field — not the boardroom version, but the day-to-day decisions a superintendent makes to create an environment where people feel safe enough to do their best work.

In this episode:

• How Kabri went from an engineering student working at Starbucks to leading a Pentagon renovation internship — and why you never know what conversation will change your life

• What 17 years at one company actually teaches you about what people need to stay

• Why field leaders don’t need to wait for corporate culture — and how a superintendent builds it from Day One of mobilization

• The “gatekeeper” reframe: why we’re all gatekeepers, and how you choose to be a conduit or a barrier

• Perspective taking as the most important leadership skill in a technical world

• Mental health in construction: 7,000 workers lost to suicide per year, 10,000 to drug overdose

• The room of 45 electricians, and what happened when half the hands went up

• What a low voltage foreman said to Kabri a year after she left his job site

• Why people are afraid to say the wrong thing — and why saying nothing is worse

• The business case for psychological safety as a performance strategy, not a feel-good initiative

This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit

Ep.11 - Recovery Out Loud

Saison 1 · Épisode 11

lundi 1 juin 2026 • Durée 47:22

In Episode 11, Angelo sits down with Trevor Botkin - a Red Seal carpenter with 30 years in construction who nearly lost his life to addiction and suicidal ideation in 2019. Trevor shares his full story, from being told he was stupid in school to finding belonging on job sites, to the day he planned to end his life and the treatment center stay that changed everything. He’s now leading the development of Muster Point, Canada’s first worker-driven peer support network for the trades, built in partnership with the Canadian Men’s Health Foundation and ICBA.

Key Topics Covered

• How basic job site conditions send a message about worker value

• Why construction concentrates vulnerable populations rather than creating mental health issues

• The role of shame, ego, and imposter syndrome in trades careers

• Trevor’s personal story: addiction, suicidal ideation, treatment, and recovery

• Chronic pain in trades and PAIN BC’s Trades and Pain initiative

• Muster Point: peer support platform, app functionality, and subscription model

• Why EAPs get 5% uptake and what to build instead

• Leadership responsibility: “You’re not just their boss, you’re their shepherd”

• Canada’s construction fatality rate compared to the UK

Guest Bio

Trevor Botkin is a 30-year construction veteran, Strategic Lead, Trades at the Canadian Men's Health Foundation, and host of the CMHF podcasts Don't Change Much and MusterPoint Off the Clock. Since entering recovery in 2019 after walking back from a planned suicide, he's brought his lived experience and voice to jobsites and projects nationwide and now leads the build of MusterPoint — a worker-built, worker delivered peer-led mental health network for Canada's skilled trades sectors. If listeners want to get involved in MusterPoint or have lived experience and want to step up to be trained as a MusterPoint Connector and join our team, they can email me directly at

This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit

Ep.10 - Health & Safety 2.0

Saison 1 · Épisode 10

lundi 25 mai 2026 • Durée 08:47

In this solo episode, Angelo Suntres examines the gap between how the construction industry handles physical injuries and mental health challenges. Using the analogy of a broken arm - where safety systems respond instantly and without stigma - Angelo makes the case that mental wellness deserves the same systematic response. He introduces the concept of Health & Safety 2.0: integrating mental wellness into existing safety programs, strategic plans, and leadership training rather than treating it as a standalone initiative.

KEY TOPICS COVERED

• The broken arm analogy: comparing physical and mental health responses on the job site

• Why off-site personal stressors become on-site safety problems

• How construction’s culture of toughness became a culture of silence

• The stigma barrier: why workers don’t speak up

• Three leadership actions: normalize the conversation, make EAPs visible and trusted, model vulnerability from the top

• Health & Safety 2.0: mental wellness as part of your safety program, not separate from it

• The business case: fewer incidents, lower turnover, less rework from disengaged workers

• The “ask again” challenge: stop accepting “I’m fine” on the job site

This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit humansideofconstruction.substack.com

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Ep.9 - Humanity as a Strategy

Saison 1 · Épisode 9

lundi 18 mai 2026 • Durée 01:12:47

In Episode 9 of The Human Side of Construction, Angelo sits down with Ed DeAngelis, founder and CEO of EDA Contractors, a 400-person specialty contractor in the greater Philadelphia area. Ed shares his journey from paper boy to construction CEO, the morning he hit a physical and emotional wall that changed his leadership philosophy forever, and how he built a people-first culture in an industry that wasn’t ready for it. The conversation covers EDA’s PACT substance recovery program, mental health statistics in construction, the ROI of investing in people, and Ed’s practical advice for leaders who want to start this journey but don’t know where to begin.

Key Topics Covered

• Ed’s origin story: paper boy, early work ethic, and the power of saying yes

• Starting EDA Contractors in 1999 and the fear of failure

• The breaking point: burnout, hitting a wall, and rethinking leadership

• Building a people-first culture in a technical industry

• The ROI of investing in people—and why you should treat it like buying equipment

• Mental health statistics in construction: suicide, substance misuse, and the stigma

• EDA’s PACT program: Personal Accountability Changes Today

• Addressing skeptics: why this is the hard work, not the soft work

• Vulnerability in leadership and why it’s a strength

• Trust as a core value: you don’t give trust, you build trust

• EDA Cares: charity work and giving back to the community

• Advice for leaders starting this journey

Guest Bio

Ed DeAngelis is the founder and CEO of EDA Contractors, a 400-person specialty contractor based in the greater Philadelphia area. Founded in 1999, EDA has grown under Ed’s people-first philosophy of “humanity as a strategy,” investing in neuroscience-based leadership development, emotional intelligence training, breathwork practices, and the PACT substance recovery program. Ed is a sought-after speaker and advocate for mental health in the construction industry.

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