Altered States Of Conversation – Détails, épisodes et analyse

On geopolitical shifts, civilisational cycles, and the potential for new social coordination mechanisms in an increasingly frenetic world.

This dialogue welcomes the return of political theorist Benjamin Studebaker, philosopher O.G. Rose, and Commons / Civilisation theorist Michel Bauwens in dialogue with Tim Adalin.

---

Access the shownotes for more on the guests & more about Voicecraft podcasts, events, courses and membership network @ https://www.voicecraft.io/content/e143-what-are-we-accelerating-towards-w/-benjamin-studebaker-michel-bauwens-og-rose-and-tim-adalin

MIchel Bauwen's Substack: https://4thgenerationcivilization.substack.com

Benjamin Studebaker's Substack: https://bmstudebaker.substack.com

@O.G.Rose.Michelle.and.Daniel Substack: https://ogrose.substack.com

Tim Adalin's Substack: https://timadalin.substack.com/

Chapters

00:00 Intro

00:10 US, China, Geopolitical Shifts and Military Spending

06:01 The 5,000-Year Transition: Modes of Exchange

25:22 Social Coordination Mechanisms and Global Pluralism

40:21 Exploring Accelerationism: Positive vs. Negative Forms

47:45 The Dilemma of Nation States vs. Globalization

56:14 The Crisis of European Identity and Sovereignty

01:07:04 Communication and Social Coordination in a Complex World

01:18:45 Incompleteness of Institutions and the Potential for New Ideas

01:20:12 The Opportunity in Institutional Failure

01:20:51 Fragmentation and the Search for Unity

01:22:08 The Challenge of Encountering Otherness

01:24:37 Metaphysical Possibilities in Human Encounters

01:30:27 Navigating Geopolitical Dynamics

01:38:20 The Role of Invisible Colleges in Crisis

01:46:02 Reflections on Trust and Society

01:52:43 Alienation and the Quest for Sameness

Listen to the full outro song by Cantrips titled 'The Big Break' @ https://youtu.be/Qaj-stBL4W0

What is Anthro-complexity? What makes humans different? How can we respond with wisdom, at scale, to our entanglements? Welcoming polymathic thinker and renowned complexity practitioner Dave Snowden, in dialogue with Tim Adalin.

Dave's previous conversations on Voicecraft / Altered States Of Conversation:

"Civilisation, Science & Spirituality" https://youtu.be/uXvWQzGcNCo

"Artificial Intelligence & Human Reasoning" | Metacrisis vs Polycrisis" https://youtu.be/TrMZL55Nzl0

Access the shownotes & learn more about Voicecraft podcasts, events, courses and membership network @ https://www.voicecraft.io/content/e142-anthro-complexity-entanglement-wayshaping-and-addressing-existential-threat-w/-dave-snowden

Learn more about Dave and Cynefin @ https://thecynefin.co/team/dave-snowden

Find Dave's blog series on Anthro-complexity: https://thecynefin.co/anthro-complexity-1-3/

---

Timestamps

0:00 Intro

0:10 What is anthro-complexity?

8:33 Entanglement, not relationship?

15:45 Orientation and the ancient debate that still structures how we think

23:05 Why workshops don't work (and what does)

34:30 You can't simplify a falcon into a pigeon (and have it still be a falcon)

45:25 Three dangers: appropriation, distraction, destruction

53:04 Who is this actually for?

57:30 Demes: the forgotten structure humans evolved to live in

1:04:55 Do we need new shamans?

1:42:50 Changing how decision-makers listen

1:55:00 The limits of dialogue and what comes next

Listen to the full outro song by Cantrips titled 'The Big Break' @ https://youtu.be/Qaj-stBL4W0

Welcoming political theorist Benjamin Studebaker, author of Legitimacy In Liberal Democracies and The Chronic Crisis of American Democracy: The Way Is Shut.

He dialogues with Tim Adalin on the crises of trust and legitimacy in politics and institutions; the impact of technofeudalism on communication; power, intractable disagreement violence and cultural shamanism; and pathways toward authentic political change even if the way is shut.

---

Access the shownotes & learn more about Voicecraft podcasts, events, courses and membership network @ https://www.voicecraft.io/content/e133-what-is-politics-and-why-are-we-stuck-w/benjamin-studebaker-tim-adalin

Support Voicecraft on Patreon @ https://www.patreon.com/voicecraft

Listen to the full intro song by Cantrips titled 'The Big Break' @ https://youtu.be/Qaj-stBL4W0

A personal, raw, and flowing conversation with a master of dialogue, Guy Sengstock. This has also been recorded and released on Guy's YouTube channel. This conversation touches the nature of creativity, philosophy, and art, through the lens of personal struggle in the twilight zone of this meta-crisis. --- It has never been more important to be part of authentic conversations. To make sense of what to care about, together. Voicecraft is extending invitations to participate in meaningful group dialogues with artful practitioners of philosophical transformation. https://voiceclub.com/participate Support this project, learn more about Guy and find his YouTube channel @ https://voiceclub.com/the-struggle-and-joy-of-creativity-w-guy-sengstock-and-tim-adalin/

What does it mean to be authentic? How can we awaken into deeper understanding, together? Join John Vervaeke and Nora Bateson as they exchange ideas for the first time, in dialogue with Tim Adalin. The time to remember, create, and realise profound ways to learn together.. is now. Read the conversation waypoints, participate, watch the video recording, and follow the breadcrumbs @ https://wp.me/p2UC3z-vr It has never been more important to be part of authentic conversations. To make sense of what to care about, together. Voicecraft is extending invitations to participate in meaningful group dialogues with artful practitioners of philosophical transformation. Find participation links and other forums for interacting using the link above.

How can we make relationships that build life? This conversation is a journey toward asking that question. "The compost knows more about how to be in a world of vitalising relationships than I do. Because I have been encultured into a lot of processes that have blinded me. And that have been served by exploitation that was beyond where I could see conveniently. And so I have this idea of essentialness that is connected to brokenness." - Nora Bateson --- Connect with Nora: Learn more about Nora Bateson, the International Bateson Institute, and discover Warm Data Labs: https://batesoninstitute.org/ --- It has never been more important to be part of authentic conversations. To make sense of what to care about, together. Voicecraft is extending invitations to participate in meaningful group dialogues with artful practitioners of philosophical transformation. Support the Voicecraft project @ https://www.patreon.com/voiceclub To watch and learn more (and it would be lovely to have you): https://wp.me/p2UC3z-v8

Guy Sengstock is the creator of Circling, a "yoga of deep transformational conversations". Here he joins Tim Adalin to journey into the Being mode of philosophy. Read the conversation waypoints and subscribe to the podcast @ https://wp.me/p2UC3z-ui Please consider supporting the Voicecraft project @ https://www.patreon.com/voiceclub Subscribe to the podcast, connect to the community, and read the conversation waypoints @ Learn more about Guy and Circling @ https://www.circlinginstitute.com/ Email Guy @ guysengstock(at)gmail.com Find Guy's YouTube channel for many profound philosophical dialogues here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuhoymQ9glku30sG4qgW-iQ This rabbit hole is online and locally based in Melbourne, Australia. Live events continue in 2020.

A philosophical dialogue with groundbreaking cognitive scientist John Vervaeke, exploring the art of communication, transformation, and how we might realise a more meaningful connection to ourselves, each other, and the world. Conversation waypoints: 1. The role of dialogue as a response to the meaning crisis 2. Dialogue as a meta-psychotechnology — that which enables the curation and coordination of psychotechnologies (ways that we make sense of the world and cultivate wisdom) 3. Dialectic as the machinery to enter into distributed cognition and collective intelligence 4. "Just like individual intelligence needs to be exapted up into rationality and then that exapted up into wisdom, we need to take collective intelligence and ratchet that up into collective rationality and collective wisdom. [...] That's what I think we need in order to get to the meta-psychotechnology." JV - up to roughly 17mins 5. Theory and theoria, the musicality of dialogue, and meta-reflection on present dialogue 6. Accessing underlying functionality through phenomenology. 7. The logos in dia-logos - gathering together (logos) so that things belong together 8. Vulnerability and exposure - vulnerability as allowing things to penetrate into you. 9. Encouraging each other and encaring each other. So the vulnerability stays as a sensitivity rather than a hardening of defence because we're overexposed. 10. We have to bring the depths of ontology into dia-logos. 'Your deepest patterns of intelligibility, your deepest patterns of coping and sensemaking are always bound up with your deepest patterns of caring and concern and identification. So if we want this to have existential depth then we have to touch upon the ontological depths as well.' 11. Tipping towards aporia but not to horrify. We want to commit to the not knowing so that it becomes wonder and awe. This is also part of the dia-logos. 12. On circling plus philea sophia. 32 mins 13. From theoria back into theory 36 mins 14. Relevance realisation and loving transformation 15. Love, vulnerability, interesse (interesting - to be within) 16. Sacredness and the sacred 17. Making sacred and perfection 18. Teleology 19. Value and limitations of narrative 57 mins 20. Transnarrative - buddhism taoism stocicism 21. Do we have to leave narrative behind? 22. Connection between the completion of narrative and perfection and the sacred 23. Atemporality, Plato, Bergson, Beauty 24. Whitehead, emanation and emergence 25. Dialectic as the ontological structure of reality 26. Modes of orientation 27. The urgency of our collective moment 28. Meta-stability - a state of criticality so that positive development is possible for us while also setting up a whole bunch of constraints and systems so we don't over commit. Serious play allows us to taste and touch the criticality without the danger of catastrophic error. 29. Meta-stability and serious play 30. Ritual as a place of serious play 31. The joy and trauma of masculinity and femininity 32. Yin and yang 33. Adversarial to opponent processing 34. The need for healing 35. The importance of self-correction John Vervaeke PhD is an award-winning lecturer at the University of Toronto in the departments of psychology, cognitive science and Buddhist psychology. He has published articles on relevance realization, general intelligence, mindfulness, metaphor, and wisdom. His abiding passion is to address the meaning crisis that besets western culture. Voiceclub is transforming. Support the project @ https://www.patreon.com/voiceclub Subscribe to the podcast and watch on YouTube @ https://wp.me/p2UC3z-tZ John's remarkable and deeply educational YouTube series 'Awakening From The Meaning Crisis' can be found here. [https://www.youtu.be/54l8_ewcOlY](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpqD...)

Turn down the volume; listen for what's listening; there you'll find your voice. In the bubbling quiet. Nora Bateson is an award-winning filmmaker, writer and educator, as well as President of the International Bateson Institute, based in Sweden. Her work asks the question, “How we can improve our perception of the complexity we live within, so we may improve our interaction with the world?” An international lecturer, researcher and writer, Nora wrote, directed and produced the award-winning documentary, An Ecology of Mind, a portrait of her father, Gregory Bateson. Her work brings the fields of biology, cognition, art, anthropology, psychology, and information technology together into a study of the patterns in ecology of living systems. Her book, Small Arcs of Larger Circles, is a revolutionary personal approach to the study of systems and complexity. The International Bateson Institute - https://batesoninstitute.org/ Nora’s book, Small Arcs of Larger Circles - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32828546-small-arcs-of-larger-circles Nora’s movie, An Ecology of Mind - http://www.anecologyofmind.com/index.html

How can we connect to ourselves, each other, and reality? This Voiceclub dialogue explores the notions of disconnection, connection, human potential, and the mystery of transformation, from a lens of therapeutic growth, human development, and philosophy. This dialogue was part of a Voiceclub event titled 'Disconnection In The Age Of Connection', held in the basement of the cocktail lounge Caz Reitop's Dirty Secrets in Melbourne, Australia. Later in the evening, the audience participated in a group sensemaking practice, as part of an ongoing experiment in collective intelligence and community building. Events take place regularly. We welcome you to follow the breadcrumbs. Learn more, watch the event to get a feel for the venue here: https://wp.me/p2UC3z-tt Watch the event to get a feel for the venue here: https://youtu.be/ZpOGmVXsFec This project is given life by Patrons @ www.patreon.com/voiceclub — Joining Tim for this dialogue is Cameron Duffy Cam works as a dual diagnosis counsellor of individuals and families. He has an interest in human development, the art of shadow integration and therapeutic growth. He also has a passion for the philosophy and science of holistic health, functional optimization and peak experiences that enable the realization of our creative potential. Tim is a philosopher interested in meaning, wisdom, and the art of individual and cultural transformation. He is the founder, producer, and present host of www.voiceclub.com, a culture-making project.