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This episode was recorded on location at the ECHO 2025 Public Safety Aviation Conference in Louisville, Kentucky.

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This discussion features:

Andrew Baity, law enforcement co-director at Every Coast Helicopter Operations (ECHO) and Virginia State Police pilot; Jeff Ratkovich, Hangar Z co-host and pilot for the Tennessee Highway Patrol; and Jack Schonely, instructor of the Tactical Solutions course and retired Los Angeles Police Department officer, helicopter pilot, and Hangar Z host.

Here, we debrief the conference by highlighting the training, education, and connections that made ECHO 2025 so exceptional.

The cornerstone of the training was the two-day Airborne Tactical Solutions course, taught by Clay Lacy and Jack Schonely and attended by nearly 70 motivated public safety aviation professionals.

The "Airborne Tactical Solutions" course provided over 16 hours of comprehensive training for public safety personnel, including patrol officers, tactical flight officers, K-9 handlers, SWAT team members, and aircrew.

Through multimedia presentations with real-life video examples, participants learned about contemporary suspect tactics, perimeter containment strategies, and criminal evasion techniques. The course emphasizes officer safety, systematic search techniques, and practical airborne skills like crew coordination, managing vehicle pursuits, and thermal imagery searches.

Real-life scenarios and debriefs help reinforce critical incident preparedness and effective communication, ultimately enhancing tactical decision-making and the overall effectiveness of law enforcement operations.

Thanks to Bell and Metro Aviation for sponsoring the Tactical Solutions course, as well as Airbus, Axnes, and Dallas Avionics for supporting the generous lunch provided to the students of the Tactical Solutions course. 

In addition to the two-day Tactical Solutions course, the conference featured a variety of one-hour breakout courses led by a wide range of experts, including Andrew Nicoletti. Thank you to everyone who took the time to prepare for and teach at ECHO 2025.

Make sure to look for announcements regarding ECHO’s 2026 conference location and law enforcement educational track in the months to follow.

Last, but not least, we extend a heartfelt thank you to ECHO and their leadership team — a group of highly motivated public safety aviation professionals who volunteer their time to provide high-quality, high-fidelity training that is accessible and affordable.

Thank you to our sponsors Garmin, Robinson Helicopter and Wysong Enterprises.

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In this special episode, we recorded from the floor of APSCON 2025 in Phoenix, Arizona, at the Vertical Valor / Hangar Z booth. Joining us today are Deputy Pilot Mike Sill and Deputy Pilot Johnny Reyes from the Fresno County Sheriff’s Office Air Support Unit.

Sill is this year’s recipient of the prestigious Robert L. Cormier Memorial Award, recognizing outstanding achievement in the advancement of aircraft in public service. A charter member of the Fresno County Air Support Unit, Sill recently retired after 25 years of flying—a career defined by dedication, skill, and humility. He often describes himself as “blessed, lucky, and fortunate,” but his success is a direct result of years of hard work and flying challenging, high-risk missions across some of California’s most unforgiving terrain—from just 337 feet at the valley floor to 14,000-foot peaks in the Sierra Nevada.

In this conversation, Sill and Reyes share incredible insights from their careers, discussing the power of mentorship, the value of developing personnel from within, the importance of experienced pilots in shaping a new aviation unit, and the critical role of an exceptional maintenance program. They also recount some remarkable high-altitude, life-saving rescues that truly highlight the skill and heart behind their unit’s work.

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Enjoy these episodes from APSCON 2025.

Thank you to our sponsors CNC Technologies, Metro Aviation and Spectrolab, Inc.

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In this episode, all of us at Vertical Valor Magazine and The Hangar Z Podcast congratulate the El Dorado County Sheriff’s Office Aviation Unit on receiving the Blades of Valor award for Service, Courage, and Flight. From a meeting with the sheriff in 2021 to launching a fully operational unit just three years later, their journey has been one of vision, dedication, and collaboration.

The team carefully selected the right people and the right airframe for their mission, drawing valuable insight from neighboring aviation units, the Airborne Public Safety Association, and the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office in Florida. The result: 22 rescues in their very first year of operation.

Representing the unit are its three full-time members—Sergeant Jesse Decanay, Pilot Joe Brown, and TFO/Mechanic Patrick Becker. Together, we discuss the challenges of building a law enforcement aviation program from the ground up, choosing the right airframe and personnel, and establishing a strong safety culture from day one.

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Thank you to our sponsors Dallas Avionics, Garmin and SHOTOVER.

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In this episode of the Hangar Z Podcast, hosts Jack Schonely and Jon Gray sit down with Lt Steve Farris from the Seminole County Sheriff's Office Aviation Section. 

Lt Farris shares his unique journey, tracing his early interest in law enforcement and aviation, alongside his family history that shaped his career path. Lt Farris discusses his progression from patrol officer to helicopter pilot and eventually earning the title of chief pilot, as he highlights critical moments that influenced his ambition and guided his leadership strategies within the aviation section.  

We examine the growth of Seminole County and the unique challenges of living in an area with a significant alligator population, providing an interesting backdrop to his experiences. Lt Farris discusses the structure of the aviation unit and the integration of drones into their operations.  

Lt Farris shares valuable insights on the challenges and successes of the aviation program, emphasizing the importance of effective communication, fostering a strong culture, and the need for strategic succession planning within the air support unit.   

We also get an opportunity to discuss aircraft replacement cycles, the financial justifications behind them, and considerations necessary for operating in diverse weather conditions. With a strong emphasis on leadership principles, Lt Farris articulates how common sense plays a role in enhancing operational efficiency and safety.

Thank you to our sponsors Becker Avionics, Precision Aviation Group and Summit Aviation.

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In this engaging two-part series of the Hangar Z Podcast, Tony Webber and Jon Gray welcome Dale Head, a seasoned expert in aerial firefighting. With a rich background in both the fire service and aviation, Dale shares his journey and insights into the high-stakes world of aerial firefighting.

The conversation kicks off with Dale’s experiences in the field, highlighting the vital role of air attack in initial fire responses and the challenges that come with managing aerial operations. Listeners will hear about the controlled chaos of firefighting missions, where constant deconfliction is essential for safety and efficiency. Dale discusses the various aircraft employed in these missions, along with specialized equipment like infrared cameras that enhance firefighting efforts.

Dale’s passion for music also comes to light as he shares anecdotes from his unique band projects, infusing humor and camaraderie into the discussion. Alongside funny stories from their firefighting careers, the group emphasizes the importance of safety gear and the critical nature of mentorship within the fire service and aviation industry.

As the owner of a company that provides aerial firefighting services, Dale reflects on memorable fires and the complexities of maintaining and managing a fleet of aircraft. Finally, he offers valuable advice for those aspiring to enter the field of public safety aviation, inspiring newcomers to embrace the challenges and rewards of this vital career path.

Join us for a compelling conversation that combines expertise, humor, and heartfelt messages about community and mentorship in the world of aerial firefighting!

Thank you to our sponsors Becker Avionics, Spectrolab and Summit Aviation.

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In this engaging two-part series of the Hangar Z Podcast, Tony Webber and Jon Gray welcome Dale Head, a seasoned expert in aerial firefighting. With a rich background in both the fire service and aviation, Dale shares his journey and insights into the high-stakes world of aerial firefighting.

The conversation kicks off with Dale’s experiences in the field, highlighting the vital role of air attack in initial fire responses and the challenges that come with managing aerial operations. Listeners will hear about the controlled chaos of firefighting missions, where constant deconfliction is essential for safety and efficiency. Dale discusses the various aircraft employed in these missions, along with specialized equipment like infrared cameras that enhance firefighting efforts.

Dale’s passion for music also comes to light as he shares anecdotes from his unique band projects, infusing humor and camaraderie into the discussion. Alongside funny stories from their firefighting careers, the group emphasizes the importance of safety gear and the critical nature of mentorship within the fire service and aviation industry.

As the owner of a company that provides aerial firefighting services, Dale reflects on memorable fires and the complexities of maintaining and managing a fleet of aircraft. Finally, he offers valuable advice for those aspiring to enter the field of public safety aviation, inspiring newcomers to embrace the challenges and rewards of this vital career path.

Join us for a compelling conversation that combines expertise, humor, and heartfelt messages about community and mentorship in the world of aerial firefighting!

Thank you to our sponsors Astronautics Corporation of America, Precision Aviation Group and Spectrum Aeromed.

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In this landmark two-part series celebrating our 200th episode, hosts Jack Schonely and Jon Gray have the honor of welcoming Kevin Means, a legendary figure in law enforcement aviation, and the familiar voice you hear at the beginning of every episode of The Hangar Z Podcast.  

This special series dives deep into Kevin's unforgettable, “Don't go over that fence,”incident, illuminating its significant impact on public safety. 

Join us as we explore the evolution of tactical flight officer (TFO) training and the remarkable journey that led Kevin from a curious childhood to becoming a respected police officer.  

Together, they discuss the unique dynamics of the San Diego Police Department, addressing the challenges faced by law enforcement in the region, including the infamous San Diego tank chase and the transformative advancements in air support and technology in policing.  

Kevin talks about the early part of his career where he reflects on working patrol, and the infamous Border Crime Suppression Team written about in the book Lines and Shadows by Joseph Wambaugh.  

We discuss the importance of crew resource management in aviation. Kevin shares his perspectives on the media’s portrayals of law enforcement and the changing public perceptions of police work.  

 With his extensive experience, Kevin highlights the critical importance of communication, training, and leadership in the field. He discusses the founding of the company Tactical Flying, as well as his role in mentoring the next generation of aviators. As we approach the conclusion, Kevin reflects on his retirement and his ongoing commitment to education and mentorship within aviation.  

Join us for this monumental series as we look back on the journey of law enforcement aviation and forward to the future our industry.  

Tune in and help us celebrate 200 episodes of the Hangar Z Podcast!

Thank you to our sponsors Dallas Avionics, Robinson Helicopter Company and Spectrum Aeromed.

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In this landmark two-part series celebrating our 200th episode, hosts Jack Schonely and Jon Gray have the honor of welcoming Kevin Means, a legendary figure in law enforcement aviation, and the familiar voice you hear at the beginning of every episode of The Hangar Z Podcast.  

This special series dives deep into Kevin's unforgettable, “Don't go over that fence,”incident, illuminating its significant impact on public safety. 

Join us as we explore the evolution of tactical flight officer (TFO) training and the remarkable journey that led Kevin from a curious childhood to becoming a respected police officer.  

Together, they discuss the unique dynamics of the San Diego Police Department, addressing the challenges faced by law enforcement in the region, including the infamous San Diego tank chase and the transformative advancements in air support and technology in policing.  

Kevin talks about the early part of his career where he reflects on working patrol, and the infamous Border Crime Suppression Team written about in the book Lines and Shadows by Joseph Wambaugh.  

We discuss the importance of crew resource management in aviation. Kevin shares his perspectives on the media’s portrayals of law enforcement and the changing public perceptions of police work.  

With his extensive experience, Kevin highlights the critical importance of communication, training, and leadership in the field. He discusses the founding of the company Tactical Flying, as well as his role in mentoring the next generation of aviators. As we approach the conclusion, Kevin reflects on his retirement and his ongoing commitment to education and mentorship within aviation.  

Join us for this monumental series as we look back on the journey of law enforcement aviation and forward to the future our industry.  

Tune in and help us celebrate 200 episodes of the Hangar Z Podcast!

Thank you to our sponsors Bell, Metro Aviation and SHOTOVER.

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This episode was recorded on location in Washington, D.C., from the D.C. Metro Police aviation hangar, as part of The Hangar Z Vertical Valor Blades of Valor Tour. 

The road tour included visits to some of North America’s public safety aviation units, showcasing some of the heroes who exemplify courage, dedication, and selflessness in the line of duty every day. 

Jack Schonley, Brent Bundy from Vertical Valor magazine and Jon Gray were invited to see firsthand the good work they are doing to protect the capital of the United States.

In this episode, we sit down with Sgt Danny Thaw and pilot Kevin Chittick from the Washington, D.C. Metropolitan Police Air Support Unit. 

The conversation delves into the critical role of aviation during civil disturbance situations in providing valuable information to ground units. Listeners will gain insights into the complexities of operating within the tightly controlled airspace of Washington, D.C.

We discuss and emphasize the importance of crew resource management (CRM) and the strong relationship between law enforcement pilots and air traffic controllers, highlighting the significance of fostering trust and communication.

We discuss the impact of new technologies on law enforcement aviation, along with stories from impactful missions, including the response to the January 6 incident.

Tune in to discover the essential value of aviation in enhancing situational awareness and supporting officers on the ground in their ongoing commitment to public safety.

Look out for an article, photos, and videos, by Brent Bundy highlighting the DC Metro Aviation Unit at Verticalmag.com and the Vertical YouTube page.

Thank you to our sponsors Airbus, SHOTOVER and Spectrolab.

Welcome to The Hangar Z Podcast, brought to you by Vertical HeliCASTS!

This episode was recorded on location in Washington, D.C., from the D.C. Metro Police aviation hangar, as part of The Hangar Z Vertical Valor Blades of Valor Tour. 

The road tour included visits to some of North America’s public safety aviation units, showcasing some of the heroes who exemplify courage, dedication, and selflessness in the line of duty every day. 

Jack Schonley, Brent Bundy from Vertical Valor magazine and Jon Gray were invited to see firsthand the good work they are doing to protect the capital of the United States.

In this episode, we sit down with Sgt Danny Thaw and pilot Kevin Chittick from the Washington, D.C. Metropolitan Police Air Support Unit. 

The conversation delves into the critical role of aviation during civil disturbance situations in providing valuable information to ground units. Listeners will gain insights into the complexities of operating within the tightly controlled airspace of Washington, D.C.

We discuss and emphasize the importance of crew resource management (CRM) and the strong relationship between law enforcement pilots and air traffic controllers, highlighting the significance of fostering trust and communication.

We discuss the impact of new technologies on law enforcement aviation, along with stories from impactful missions, including the response to the January 6 incident.

Tune in to discover the essential value of aviation in enhancing situational awareness and supporting officers on the ground in their ongoing commitment to public safety.

Look out for an article, photos, and videos, by Brent Bundy highlighting the DC Metro Aviation Unit at Verticalmag.com and the Vertical YouTube page.

Thank you to our sponsors Airbus, Dallas Avionics and Metro Aviation.

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In this episode of The Hangar Z Podcast, Vertical Valor’s Scott Dworkin and Jon Gray visit the Kern County Sheriff's Department Aviation Unit at their hangar in Bakersfield, California. While there, we witnessed the operation of their impressive aviation program. 

During the podcast, we discuss the evolution of their aviation program, the aircraft they fly, the missions they support, and the challenges they face in operations. 

We talk about the importance of oil and agriculture in the local economy, the legacy of country music in Bakersfield, and the assignments available at the Kern County Sheriff's Department. 

The conversation touches on mental health in law enforcement and ends with some lighthearted stories from the field. We get an opportunity to talk about the advantages we gain from new and developing technology in law enforcement aviation, the importance of partnerships, and the role of debriefs in improving operations. 

They also touch on the challenges faced by air support programs and the importance of tracking and reporting data. Overall, the conversation provides insights into the operations and advancements in law enforcement aviation.

Thank you to our sponsors Bell, Collins Aerospace and Metro Aviation.

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In this episode of The Hangar Z Podcast, Vertical Valor’s Scott Dworkin and Jon Gray visit the Kern County Sheriff's Department Aviation Unit at their hangar in Bakersfield, California. While there, we witnessed the operation of their impressive aviation program. 

During the podcast, we discuss the evolution of their aviation program, the aircraft they fly, the missions they support, and the challenges they face in operations. 

We talk about the importance of oil and agriculture in the local economy, the legacy of country music in Bakersfield, and the assignments available at the Kern County Sheriff's Department. 

The conversation touches on mental health in law enforcement and ends with some lighthearted stories from the field. We get an opportunity to talk about the advantages we gain from new and developing technology in law enforcement aviation, the importance of partnerships, and the role of debriefs in improving operations. 

They also touch on the challenges faced by air support programs and the importance of tracking and reporting data. Overall, the conversation provides insights into the operations and advancements in law enforcement aviation.

Thank you to our sponsors Anodyne Electronics Manufacturing, Precision Aviation Group and Robinson Helicopters.

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In this two part panel style conversation, Jack Schonely and Jon Gray bring you a unique conversation featuring a Canadian panel of public safety aviation experts. Together, they share their diverse backgrounds and experiences, shedding light on the vital roles they play within the public safety aviation community.

Our discussion revolves around the importance of training and skill development, particularly for tactical flight officers (TFOs), as they navigate the complexities of their responsibilities during critical incidents.

We’ll explore how technology is transforming the landscape of law enforcement aviation, and discuss the collaborative efforts that enhance operational effectiveness across various aviation platforms.

The panel addresses pressing topics, including the impact of the mass shooting in Portapique, Nova Scotia; the vital role of the Android Team Awareness Kit (ATAK) in situational awareness; and the challenges posed by weather conditions in public safety operations.

They’ll also share best practices for survival kits designed for extreme weather scenarios and the importance of ongoing education through diverse training environments.

Join us as we dive deep into the challenges, experiences, and insights from our panelists, providing you with a comprehensive look at the growth and evolution of public safety aviation in Canada.

Thank you to our sponsors Garmin, Dallas Avionics, and Wysong Enterprises.

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In this episode, Jon Gray and Jack Schonely sit down with Brandon Rose, chief pilot with the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department.

The conversation highlights the critical response to the devastating floods that swept through Hill Country in Central Texas, with Brandon sharing valuable insights into the numerous challenges faced during rescue operations amid severe weather conditions. 

In July 2025, the Hill Country region of Texas experienced catastrophic flooding, overwhelming communities and complicating rescue efforts. This intense flooding resulted in at least 136 fatalities, with at least 119 occurring in Kerr County. 

Brandon’s insights highlight the resilience, adaptability, and skill required by rescue teams to effectively navigate extreme weather conditions. He emphasizes the importance of thorough training and mission proficiency, alongside the crucial role that advanced technology plays in enhancing emergency response capabilities.

The importance of accurate forecasting and the integration of unmanned aircraft systems (UAS) technology in emergency response are highlighted. Brandon also reflects on his journey to becoming a game warden and pilot.

Brandon discusses the evolution of aircraft used in public safety, the training and operations for rescue missions, and the challenges faced in adopting new mission profiles. He highlights the importance of technology, particularly drones and artificial intelligence, in enhancing operational efficiency. 

The conversation concludes with advice for aspiring public safety aviators, emphasizing perseverance and the importance of training.

Thank you to our sponsors Metro Aviation, BLR Aerospace and Precision Aviation Group.

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In this two part panel style conversation, Jack Schonely and Jon Gray bring you a unique conversation featuring a Canadian panel of public safety aviation experts. Together, they share their diverse backgrounds and experiences, shedding light on the vital roles they play within the public safety aviation community.

Our discussion revolves around the importance of training and skill development, particularly for tactical flight officers (TFOs), as they navigate the complexities of their responsibilities during critical incidents.

We’ll explore how technology is transforming the landscape of law enforcement aviation, and discuss the collaborative efforts that enhance operational effectiveness across various aviation platforms.

The panel addresses pressing topics, including the impact of the mass shooting in Portapique, Nova Scotia; the vital role of the Android Team Awareness Kit (ATAK) in situational awareness; and the challenges posed by weather conditions in public safety operations.

They’ll also share best practices for survival kits designed for extreme weather scenarios and the importance of ongoing education through diverse training environments.

Join us as we dive deep into the challenges, experiences, and insights from our panelists, providing you with a comprehensive look at the growth and evolution of public safety aviation in Canada.

Thank you to our sponsors SHOTOVER, Robinson Helicopters, Metro Aviation.

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In this two-part series, Jack Schonely, Tony Webber and Jon Gray sit back down for a full-length interview with L.A. County Fire Pilot and 2024 HAI Pilot of the Year award recipient Mike Sagely.

We cover a wide range of topics, from the profound impact a career in aviation can have on family life and mental health to the importance of mentorship and preparation for success.

Join us as Mike shares his journey from serving as a U.S. Army pilot during a pivotal time in history to navigating the challenges of modern aviation. He reflects on the transition from the Vietnam War era to flying iconic helicopters like the Sikorsky UH-60 Blackhawk and Boeing AH-64 Apache, and discusses his selection process for the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (SOAR) along with the rigorous training and deployments that defined his military career.

We also delve into the realities faced by military and public safety personnel in maintaining strong family units amidst the demands of their roles and the stresses of the job. Mike provides invaluable insights on transitioning from service to civilian life and working as a pilot for the L.A. County Fire Department, detailing the diverse missions they undertake, including rescues and firefighting operations.

We wrap up with a compelling discussion on the critical importance of aircraft maintenance in firefighting and the strategic role of heli-tac crews. Mike concludes with advice for aspiring aviators, emphasizing the values of integrity, reputation, and professional training.

Thanks to our sponsors Garmin, Dallas Avionics and Technisonic.

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In this two-part series, Jack Schonely, Tony Webber and Jon Gray sit back down for a full-length interview with L.A. County Fire Pilot and 2024 HAI Pilot of the Year award recipient Mike Sagely.

We cover a wide range of topics, from the profound impact a career in aviation can have on family life and mental health to the importance of mentorship and preparation for success.

Join us as Mike shares his journey from serving as a U.S. Army pilot during a pivotal time in history to navigating the challenges of modern aviation. He reflects on the transition from the Vietnam War era to flying iconic helicopters like the Sikorsky UH-60 Blackhawk and Boeing AH-64 Apache, and discusses his selection process for the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (SOAR) along with the rigorous training and deployments that defined his military career.

We also delve into the realities faced by military and public safety personnel in maintaining strong family units amidst the demands of their roles and the stresses of the job. Mike provides invaluable insights on transitioning from service to civilian life and working as a pilot for the L.A. County Fire Department, detailing the diverse missions they undertake, including rescues and firefighting operations.

We wrap up with a compelling discussion on the critical importance of aircraft maintenance in firefighting and the strategic role of heli-tac crews. Mike concludes with advice for aspiring aviators, emphasizing the values of integrity, reputation, and professional training.

Thanks to our sponsors Anodyne Electronics Manufacturing, Collins Aerospace and Wysong Enterprises. 

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This two-part series was recorded at the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department hangar at San Bernardino International Airport in California.

The conversation unfolds as we talk about their recent acquisition of the new Bell 412 EPX helicopter.

Our guests, Sgt Jon Anderson, Deputy Doug Brimmer, and recently retired Lt now Reserve Deputy Pilot Danny Futscher, share their rich backgrounds in law enforcement and aviation, drawing inspiration from family legacies that have shaped their careers.

Together, they discuss the process of transitioning to the new helicopter, highlighting its benefits for their mission sets.

Doug Brimmer shines a light on the department's historical society, emphasizing the importance of preserving law enforcement artifacts that tell the story of their dedicated service. The size and diversity of San Bernardino County come into focus, revealing how these factors uniquely impact their operations and response strategies.

Insights from this conversation highlight their aviation program's logistics, from fueling helicopters to building essential partnerships with other agencies. They share the value of having sworn pilots and the challenges faced in their recruitment efforts, all while navigating the varied geographic landscapes and extreme weather conditions of the region.

This episode is a captivating blend of adventure, professionalism, and the personal stories that make up the fabric of the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Aviation Unit.

Thank you to our sponsors Bell, Technisonic and Precision Aviation Group

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This two-part series was recorded at the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department hangar at San Bernardino International Airport in California.

The conversation unfolds as we talk about their recent acquisition of the new Bell 412 EPX helicopter.

Our guests, Sgt Jon Anderson, Deputy Doug Brimmer, and recently retired Lt now Reserve Deputy Pilot Danny Futscher, share their rich backgrounds in law enforcement and aviation, drawing inspiration from family legacies that have shaped their careers.

Together, they discuss the process of transitioning to the new helicopter, highlighting its benefits for their mission sets.

Doug Brimmer shines a light on the department's historical society, emphasizing the importance of preserving law enforcement artifacts that tell the story of their dedicated service. The size and diversity of San Bernardino County come into focus, revealing how these factors uniquely impact their operations and response strategies.

Insights from this conversation highlight their aviation program's logistics, from fueling helicopters to building essential partnerships with other agencies. They share the value of having sworn pilots and the challenges faced in their recruitment efforts, all while navigating the varied geographic landscapes and extreme weather conditions of the region.

This episode is a captivating blend of adventure, professionalism, and the personal stories that make up the fabric of the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Aviation Unit.

Thank you to our sponsors Bell, SHOTOVER and Metro Aviation.

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This episode was recorded on location in Nashville from the Nashville Metro Police aviation hangar, as part of The Hangar Z Vertical Valor Blades of Valor Tour. The road tour included visits to some of North America’s top public safety aviation units, showcasing heroes who exemplify courage, dedication and selflessness in the line of duty every day. 

Jack Schoney, Brent Bundy from Vertical Valor Magazine and Jon Gray were invited into the Nashville Metro Police aviation hangar to see first hand the good work they are doing to protect the citizens and visitors of Music City.

In this episode, we sit down with Sergeant Nate Dungum from the Nashville Metro Aviation Unit to explore the dynamic world of airborne law enforcement. Nate shares the unit's ongoing transformation and the significant strides they've made in enhancing mission capabilities.

We dive into their K9 unit’s collaboration with Spike’s Canine Fund and discuss how social media plays a crucial role in recruitment and community engagement. Nate also emphasizes the importance of building strong relationships within the department, the power of mentorship, and the value of networking in law enforcement.

Nate opens up about his extensive background in both law enforcement and the military, including his deployment to Iraq and his experiences with the Civil Air Patrol. He shares some lighter moments with tales of shenanigans during deployments and the critical role of artillery crews.

As the conversation progresses, we explore the impact of new aircraft on their operations and the importance of prioritizing safety, especially in light of recent maintenance issues. Nate wraps up by offering a set of rules for successful unit operations, highlighting the significance of clear goals, humility, and a culture of trust. We also get a sneak peek into the upcoming construction of a new hangar for Nashville Metro Aviation and the vital role of maintaining a positive culture within the unit.

This episode is packed with insight, experiences, and actionable advice for anyone involved in aviation or law enforcement.

Thank you to our sponsors Anodyne Electronics Manufacturing, Summit Aviation and Robinson Helicopters 

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This episode was recorded on location in Nashville from the Nashville Metro Police aviation hangar, as part of The Hangar Z Vertical Valor Blades of Valor Tour. The road tour included visits to some of North America’s top public safety aviation units, showcasing heroes who exemplify courage, dedication and selflessness in the line of duty every day. 

Jack Schoney, Brent Bundy from Vertical Valor Magazine and Jon Gray were invited into the Nashville Metro Police aviation hangar to see first hand the good work they are doing to protect the citizens and visitors of Music City.

In this episode, we sit down with Sergeant Nate Dungum from the Nashville Metro Aviation Unit to explore the dynamic world of airborne law enforcement. Nate shares the unit's ongoing transformation and the significant strides they've made in enhancing mission capabilities.

We dive into their K9 unit’s collaboration with Spike’s Canine Fund and discuss how social media plays a crucial role in recruitment and community engagement. Nate also emphasizes the importance of building strong relationships within the department, the power of mentorship, and the value of networking in law enforcement.

Nate opens up about his extensive background in both law enforcement and the military, including his deployment to Iraq and his experiences with the Civil Air Patrol. He shares some lighter moments with tales of shenanigans during deployments and the critical role of artillery crews.

As the conversation progresses, we explore the impact of new aircraft on their operations and the importance of prioritizing safety, especially in light of recent maintenance issues. Nate wraps up by offering a set of rules for successful unit operations, highlighting the significance of clear goals, humility, and a culture of trust. We also get a sneak peek into the upcoming construction of a new hangar for Nashville Metro Aviation and the vital role of maintaining a positive culture within the unit.

This episode is packed with insight, experiences, and actionable advice for anyone involved in aviation or law enforcement.

Thank you to our sponsors Airbus, Trakka Systems  and Astronautics Corporation of America

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We are excited to bring an exciting and insightful two-part series on The Hangar Z Podcast as we explore the with Lieutenant Patrick Lawrence and Sergeant Nick Olivo.

Lieutenant Patrick Lawrence is a distinguished aviation professional with a rich background in both military and civilian aviation. Lt. Lawrence holds a bachelor of science in Professional Aeronautics from Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University and has completed prestigious leadership programs with the Michigan State Police.

His military career boasts accolades such as the Master Army Aviator Badge, Meritorious Service Medal, and Army Commendation Medal, among others. With extensive training and flight certifications including airline transport helicopter pilot and certified flight instructor, Patrick's expertise and commitment to aviation excellence shine through in every aspect of his career.

Sergeant Nick Olivo is a seasoned law enforcement professional whose career spans multiple departments and roles. Since joining the Michigan State Police in 2013, Sgt. Olivo has made significant contributions as a trooper, tactical flight officer, and pilot.

His journey from having zero flight experience to becoming a skilled rotary-wing pilot and unit safety officer is nothing short of remarkable.

Prior to his time with the Michigan State Police, Sgt. Olivo served with the Saginaw Police Department as a major case detective and field training officer and started his career at the Flint Police Department.

His dedication to the role of tactical flight officer and his passion for developing top-notch candidates are central to his approach in airborne law enforcement.

Join us for these compelling episodes as we explore Michigan State Police Aviation with Lt. Patrick and Sgt. Nick Olivo. Their stories highlight the dedication, challenges, and triumphs of public safety aviation.

Thank you to our sponsors Spectrum Aeromed, Robinson Helicopters, and Astronautics Corporation of America.

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We are excited to bring an exciting and insightful two-part series on The Hangar Z Podcast as we explore the with Lieutenant Patrick Lawrence and Sergeant Nick Olivo.

Lieutenant Patrick Lawrence is a distinguished aviation professional with a rich background in both military and civilian aviation. Lt. Lawrence holds a bachelor of science in Professional Aeronautics from Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University and has completed prestigious leadership programs with the Michigan State Police.

His military career boasts accolades such as the Master Army Aviator Badge, Meritorious Service Medal, and Army Commendation Medal, among others. With extensive training and flight certifications including airline transport helicopter pilot and certified flight instructor, Patrick's expertise and commitment to aviation excellence shine through in every aspect of his career.

Sergeant Nick Olivo is a seasoned law enforcement professional whose career spans multiple departments and roles. Since joining the Michigan State Police in 2013, Sgt. Olivo has made significant contributions as a trooper, tactical flight officer, and pilot.

His journey from having zero flight experience to becoming a skilled rotary-wing pilot and unit safety officer is nothing short of remarkable.

Prior to his time with the Michigan State Police, Sgt. Olivo served with the Saginaw Police Department as a major case detective and field training officer and started his career at the Flint Police Department.

His dedication to the role of tactical flight officer and his passion for developing top-notch candidates are central to his approach in airborne law enforcement.

Join us for these compelling episodes as we explore Michigan State Police Aviation with Lt. Patrick and Sgt. Nick Olivo. Their stories highlight the dedication, challenges, and triumphs of public safety aviation.

Thank you to our sponsors Bell, Precision Aviation Group, and Spectrum Aeromed.

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We are beyond excited to celebrate the fourth anniversary of The Hangar Z Podcast with a truly powerful two-part series! This milestone wouldn't be complete without bringing you two exceptional guests: James Hatch and Alan Mack.

James Hatch, a retired Navy SEAL, best-selling author of the book Touching the Dragon, founder of Spike's K9 Fund and recent Yale graduate, joins us to share his incredible journey. From daring missions to the creation of a nonprofit that supports working dogs, James' story is one of resilience, dedication, and unwavering courage.

Alan Mack, a retired Chief Warrant Officer 5 in the U.S. Army and author of "Razor 03: A Night Stalker's Wars," brings his wealth of experience in aviation to the conversation. Alan's tales from the cockpit, leadership insights, and experiences in some of the most intense combat scenarios offer a captivating glimpse into the life of a true aviation hero.

In this special anniversary episode, we dive deep into the important topics of mental health and leadership, discuss the importance of service and sacrifice, and explore the lessons learned from their remarkable experiences. James’ and Alan's stories of bravery and perseverance are sure to inspire and motivate.

Join us as we celebrate four years of The Hangar Z Podcast, reflecting on the past while looking forward to the future. This episode is packed with powerful stories, valuable insights, and a few surprises you won't want to miss.

Tune in for an unforgettable conversation with James Hatch and Alan Mack as we commemorate this milestone together!

Thank you to our sponsors Bell, Precision Aviation Group and Trakka Systems.

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In this episode, Jon Gray and Jack Schonely sit down with Brandon Rose, chief pilot with the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department.

The conversation highlights the critical response to the devastating floods that swept through Hill Country in Central Texas, with Brandon sharing valuable insights into the numerous challenges faced during rescue operations amid severe weather conditions. 

In July 2025, the Hill Country region of Texas experienced catastrophic flooding, overwhelming communities and complicating rescue efforts. This intense flooding resulted in at least 136 fatalities, with at least 119 occurring in Kerr County. 

Brandon’s insights highlight the resilience, adaptability, and skill required by rescue teams to effectively navigate extreme weather conditions. He emphasizes the importance of thorough training and mission proficiency, alongside the crucial role that advanced technology plays in enhancing emergency response capabilities.

The importance of accurate forecasting and the integration of unmanned aircraft systems (UAS) technology in emergency response are highlighted. Brandon also reflects on his journey to becoming a game warden and pilot.

Brandon discusses the evolution of aircraft used in public safety, the training and operations for rescue missions, and the challenges faced in adopting new mission profiles. He highlights the importance of technology, particularly drones and artificial intelligence, in enhancing operational efficiency. 

The conversation concludes with advice for aspiring public safety aviators, emphasizing perseverance and the importance of training.

Thank you to our sponsors Robinson Helicopter, Dallas Avionics and Precision Aviation Group.

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We are beyond excited to celebrate the fourth anniversary of The Hangar Z Podcast with a truly powerful two-part series! This milestone wouldn't be complete without bringing you two exceptional guests: James Hatch and Alan Mack.

James Hatch, a retired Navy SEAL, best-selling author of the book Touching the Dragon, founder of Spike's K9 Fund and recent Yale graduate, joins us to share his incredible journey. From daring missions to the creation of a nonprofit that supports working dogs, James' story is one of resilience, dedication, and unwavering courage.

Alan Mack, a retired Chief Warrant Officer 5 in the U.S. Army and author of "Razor 03: A Night Stalker's Wars," brings his wealth of experience in aviation to the conversation. Alan's tales from the cockpit, leadership insights, and experiences in some of the most intense combat scenarios offer a captivating glimpse into the life of a true aviation hero.

In this special anniversary episode, we dive deep into the important topics of mental health and leadership, discuss the importance of service and sacrifice, and explore the lessons learned from their remarkable experiences. James’ and Alan's stories of bravery and perseverance are sure to inspire and motivate.

Join us as we celebrate four years of The Hangar Z Podcast, reflecting on the past while looking forward to the future. This episode is packed with powerful stories, valuable insights, and a few surprises you won't want to miss.

Tune in for an unforgettable conversation with James Hatch and Alan Mack as we commemorate this milestone together!

Thank you to our sponsors CNC Technologies, Metro Aviation, and SHOTOVER.

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In today's episode, we're honored to feature Hans Almaraz, a distinguished law enforcement officer with a career spanning more than three decades. Hans was raised in San Dimas, California, and after high school he worked as an emergency medical technician (EMT).

It was during this time, while working rescues with L.A. County Sheriff Air 5, that he first developed an interest in law enforcement.

Hans's journey with the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) began in 1990, when he started the academy. Over the years, he worked across LAPD before being selected as a K9 handler in Metro.

• 1990-1991: Probation at Hollywood Division Patrol
• 1991-1993: Foothill Division Patrol
• 1993-1995: Hollywood Division in the Uniform Prostitution Enforcement Detail
• 1995-1997: Hollywood Division Patrol Field Training Officer
• 1997-1998: Metro B Platoon
• 1998-2024: Metro K9

Throughout his career, Hans has received numerous accolades for his bravery and dedication, including:

• 2003 Police Star. Award for an officer involved shooting during a K9 search with a suspect who allegedly attempted to murder a California Highway Patrol (CHP) officer.
• 2013 Medal of Valor for an officer-involved shooting at the end of a pursuit that Hans joined in with patrol units. During this pursuit the suspect exited his vehicle with an AK-47 and began to fire at Hans, striking his police vehicle seven times. Suspect was down, but refused to let go of the rifle. Hans deployed his K9 to distract the suspect. Hans moved up with SWAT and took the suspect into custody.
• 2013 National Association of Police Organizations Top Cop award for the above incident.
• 2018 Medal of Valor award for hostage rescue in Long Beach. 
• 2024 National Association of Police Organizations Top Cop for an officer involved shooting in which three K9 handlers were shot.

Hans has been an integral part of over 1,480 K9 suspect searches, with more than 1,400 assists, and locating 455 suspects with his K9 partner. Hans has gained extensive experience working with aviation assets, significantly enhancing the effectiveness of the operations he participated in.

Join us as we explore Hans's extraordinary career, his experiences, and the insights he's gained from his years of service. This episode is a testament to the courage and commitment of those who dedicate their lives to public safety.

Thank you to our sponsors Airbus, Anodyne Electronics Manufacturing and Metro Aviation

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In today's episode, we're honored to feature Hans Almaraz, a distinguished law enforcement officer with a career spanning more than three decades. Hans was raised in San Dimas, California, and after high school he worked as an emergency medical technician (EMT).

It was during this time, while working rescues with L.A. County Sheriff Air 5, that he first developed an interest in law enforcement.

Hans's journey with the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) began in 1990, when he started the academy. Over the years, he worked across LAPD before being selected as a K9 handler in Metro.

• 1990-1991: Probation at Hollywood Division Patrol
• 1991-1993: Foothill Division Patrol
• 1993-1995: Hollywood Division in the Uniform Prostitution Enforcement Detail
• 1995-1997: Hollywood Division Patrol Field Training Officer
• 1997-1998: Metro B Platoon
• 1998-2024: Metro K9

Throughout his career, Hans has received numerous accolades for his bravery and dedication, including:

• 2003 Police Star. Award for an officer involved shooting during a K9 search with a suspect who allegedly attempted to murder a California Highway Patrol (CHP) officer.
• 2013 Medal of Valor for an officer-involved shooting at the end of a pursuit that Hans joined in with patrol units. During this pursuit the suspect exited his vehicle with an AK-47 and began to fire at Hans, striking his police vehicle seven times. Suspect was down, but refused to let go of the rifle. Hans deployed his K9 to distract the suspect. Hans moved up with SWAT and took the suspect into custody.
• 2013 National Association of Police Organizations Top Cop award for the above incident.
• 2018 Medal of Valor award for hostage rescue in Long Beach. 
• 2024 National Association of Police Organizations Top Cop for an officer involved shooting in which three K9 handlers were shot.

Hans has been an integral part of over 1,480 K9 suspect searches, with more than 1,400 assists, and locating 455 suspects with his K9 partner. Hans has gained extensive experience working with aviation assets, significantly enhancing the effectiveness of the operations he participated in.

Join us as we explore Hans's extraordinary career, his experiences, and the insights he's gained from his years of service. This episode is a testament to the courage and commitment of those who dedicate their lives to public safety.

Thank you to our sponsors SHOTOVER, CNC Technologies, and Summit Aviation

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Thank you to CNC Technologies for sponsoring this special in-person interview that was recorded just prior to the Heli Expo 2024. The expo was held in Anaheim California, this recording took place in beautiful Beverly Hills California at the famous Lou Mar Restaurant.

CNC Technologies has assembled an impressive team of distinguished public safety aviators. During this two part series I got the opportunity to talk to their team in a panel style conversation that covers a wide variety of important topics pertaining to public safety aviation.

CNC Technologies, a company renowned for its deep relationships with major equipment vendors, aircraft OEMs, and completion and integration facilities worldwide. These connections enable CNC to develop customized solutions tailored to each client’s unique mission profiles. They excel in creating long-range, HD video and data transmission networks, encrypted mobile communications tools for real-time surveillance, and robust systems designed for continuous operation in challenging environments.

CNC Technologies brings decades of experience in deploying local, national, and global communications networks, providing custom aerial surveillance, data transmission, and counterterrorism solutions. With extensive expertise in supporting Urban Area Security Initiative (UASI) projects funded by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, CNC delivers tailored mission suite solutions for the world's most demanding operators, backed by unparalleled 24/7 service and support. Join us as we explore the cutting-edge world of CNC Technologies and their commitment to delivering your mission.

Thank you to our sponsors Metro Aviation, Robinson Helicopters, and Wysong Enterprises. 

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Thank you to CNC Technologies for sponsoring this special in-person interview, recorded just prior to HAI Heli-Expo 2024. This recording took place in beautiful Beverly Hills, California, at the famous Lou’Mar restaurant.

CNC Technologies has assembled an impressive team of distinguished public safety aviators. In this two-part series, host Jon Gray had the opportunity to speak with their team in a panel-style conversation that covers a wide variety of important topics pertaining to public safety aviation.

CNC Technologies is a company renowned for its deep relationships with major equipment vendors, aircraft original equipment manufacturers (OEMs), and completion and integration facilities worldwide.

These connections enable CNC to develop customized solutions tailored to each client’s unique mission profiles. They excel in creating long-range HD video and data transmission networks, encrypted mobile communications tools for real-time surveillance, and robust systems designed for continuous operation in challenging environments.

CNC Technologies brings decades of experience in deploying local, national, and global communications networks, providing custom aerial surveillance, data transmission, and counterterrorism solutions.

With extensive expertise in supporting Urban Area Security Initiative (UASI) projects funded by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, CNC delivers tailored mission suite solutions for the world's most demanding operators, backed by unparalleled 24/7 service and support.

Join us as we explore the cutting-edge world of CNC Technologies and their commitment to delivering your mission.

Thank you to our special sponsor CNC Technologies, as well as Collins Aerospace, and Dallas Avionics

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Thank you to MD Helicopters for sponsoring this special in-person interview with Jake Durham and Drew Muench from the Oxford Police Department Aviation Unit. 

The Oxford Police Department chose the MD Helicopters 530F model as its primary airborne mission platform due to its exceptional versatility and performance characteristics, tailored to their operational needs. 

The MD530F's agility and maneuverability make it ideal for various law enforcement tasks, including surveillance, search-and-rescue operations, and aerial patrols. Its powerful Rolls-Royce 250-C30 engine provides reliable performance in both urban and rural environments, crucial for the department's diverse operational landscape. 

The helicopter's compact size allows for efficient deployment and maneuvering in tight spaces, enhancing operational flexibility during critical missions. Equipped with advanced avionics and mission-specific equipment, the MD530F ensures enhanced situational awareness and operational effectiveness, enabling the Oxford Police Department to uphold public safety and respond swiftly to emergencies across their jurisdiction.

To discuss the Oxford Police Department Aviation Unit, Jack Schonely speaks with Lt Jake Durham, the mastermind and commander behind Oxford’s aviation unit, and Drew Muench, the chief maintenance pilot inside Oxford’s beautifully purpose-built hangar. 

Jake Durham has deep roots in law enforcement and public safety that shaped his aspirations. Inspired by his family's legacy and an influential flight with the Alabama State Troopers Aviation Unit in 1997, Jake pursued a career in law enforcement. Starting as a patrolman with the Piedmont Police Department in 2003, he later joined the Oxford Police Department, where he climbed the ranks to lieutenant. 

Jake's visionary leadership led to the creation of the Oxford Police Department’s Aviation Support Unit in 2011, despite initial setbacks. He meticulously developed the administrative components and overcame challenges in acquiring suitable aircraft.

From a motor-glider in 2013 to an OH-6, and later a TH-67, Jake's persistence paid off. In 2016, he designed and managed the construction of the department’s Special Operations Facility, housing the Emergency Services Unit, Technical Services Unit, and Aviation Support Unit. Jake's dedication continued with the refurbishment of an OH-6A helicopter in 2020 and the procurement of an MD530F in 2021, enhancing the unit's capabilities.

Chief maintenance pilot Drew Muench’s aviation career spans over three decades. Starting his flying career in 1983 as a line boy at a small airport, he earned his flight time through dedication and passion.

His journey took a pivotal turn in 1988, when he began his path to become a Marine Aviator, only to pivot to the Army due to an injury at OCS. 

Serving 10 years as an Army Pilot, he mastered multiple aircraft including the AH-1, UH-1, OH-58, and CH-47, and became an esteemed instructor pilot. Transitioning to civilian life as an airline pilot, he faced challenges such as furloughs but found his place at NetJets, where he thrived as a Citation X captain and international training instructor.

His dedication to aviation extended to helping establish the Oxford Air Support Unit in 2015, where he continues to guide the unit as chief pilot.

Thank you to our special Sponsor MD Helicopters as well as Garmin and Wysong Enterprises. 

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Thank you to MD Helicopters for sponsoring this special in-person interview with Jake Durham and Drew Muench from the Oxford Police Department Aviation Unit. 

The Oxford Police Department chose the MD Helicopters 530F model as its primary airborne mission platform due to its exceptional versatility and performance characteristics, tailored to their operational needs. 

The MD530F's agility and maneuverability make it ideal for various law enforcement tasks, including surveillance, search-and-rescue operations, and aerial patrols. Its powerful Rolls-Royce 250-C30 engine provides reliable performance in both urban and rural environments, crucial for the department's diverse operational landscape. 

The helicopter's compact size allows for efficient deployment and maneuvering in tight spaces, enhancing operational flexibility during critical missions. Equipped with advanced avionics and mission-specific equipment, the MD530F ensures enhanced situational awareness and operational effectiveness, enabling the Oxford Police Department to uphold public safety and respond swiftly to emergencies across their jurisdiction.

To discuss the Oxford Police Department Aviation Unit, Jack Schonely speaks with Lt Jake Durham, the mastermind and commander behind Oxford’s aviation unit, and Drew Muench, the chief maintenance pilot inside Oxford’s beautifully purpose-built hangar. 

Jake Durham has deep roots in law enforcement and public safety that shaped his aspirations. Inspired by his family's legacy and an influential flight with the Alabama State Troopers Aviation Unit in 1997, Jake pursued a career in law enforcement. Starting as a patrolman with the Piedmont Police Department in 2003, he later joined the Oxford Police Department, where he climbed the ranks to lieutenant. 

Jake's visionary leadership led to the creation of the Oxford Police Department’s Aviation Support Unit in 2011, despite initial setbacks. He meticulously developed the administrative components and overcame challenges in acquiring suitable aircraft.

From a motor-glider in 2013 to an OH-6, and later a TH-67, Jake's persistence paid off. In 2016, he designed and managed the construction of the department’s Special Operations Facility, housing the Emergency Services Unit, Technical Services Unit, and Aviation Support Unit. Jake's dedication continued with the refurbishment of an OH-6A helicopter in 2020 and the procurement of an MD530F in 2021, enhancing the unit's capabilities.

Chief maintenance pilot Drew Muench’s aviation career spans over three decades. Starting his flying career in 1983 as a line boy at a small airport, he earned his flight time through dedication and passion.

His journey took a pivotal turn in 1988, when he began his path to become a Marine Aviator, only to pivot to the Army due to an injury at OCS. 

Serving 10 years as an Army Pilot, he mastered multiple aircraft including the AH-1, UH-1, OH-58, and CH-47, and became an esteemed instructor pilot. Transitioning to civilian life as an airline pilot, he faced challenges such as furloughs but found his place at NetJets, where he thrived as a Citation X captain and international training instructor.

His dedication to aviation extended to helping establish the Oxford Air Support Unit in 2015, where he continues to guide the unit as chief pilot.

Thank you to our special Sponsor MD Helicopters as well as SHOTOVER and Technisonic. 

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In this two-part series, Jack Schonely and Jon Gray sit down Dr. Tania Glenn, to discuss the importance of mental health for first responders.

Dr. Tania Glenn is the president of Tania Glenn and Associates, a clinical practice in Central Texas that is focused on promoting resilience and providing critical care to first responders and veterans.

As a leading national clinician in the treatment of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), Dr. Glenn specializes in creating effective programs designed to mitigate traumatic stress and to assist patients with their return to normalcy as quickly as possible.

As a licensed clinician with 30 years of experience, Dr. Glenn deployed to the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995, New York City in 2001, New Orleans for Hurricane Katrina in 2005, Dallas in 2016 for the aftermath of the attack on the Dallas Police Department, and to Uvalde for the school shooter in 2022.

Recognized nationally, Dr. Glenn’s clients include a host of Texas and Arizona police, fire and EMS departments, federal law enforcement agencies, commercial aviation, and air medical programs. She is the clinical director for several peer support teams with her unique perspective on special operations competencies.

Dr. Glenn is a noted author with numerous books dealing with mental health, PTSD, first responders, military, and family. Additionally, she has been involved in several documentaries dealing directly with mental health trauma.

Thank you to our sponsors Bell, Garmin, and Metro Aviation.

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In this two-part series, Jack Schonely and Jon Gray sit down Dr. Tania Glenn, to discuss the importance of mental health for first responders.

Dr. Tania Glenn is the president of Tania Glenn and Associates, a clinical practice in Central Texas that is focused on promoting resilience and providing critical care to first responders and veterans.

As a leading national clinician in the treatment of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), Dr. Glenn specializes in creating effective programs designed to mitigate traumatic stress and to assist patients with their return to normalcy as quickly as possible.

As a licensed clinician with 30 years of experience, Dr. Glenn deployed to the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995, New York City in 2001, New Orleans for Hurricane Katrina in 2005, Dallas in 2016 for the aftermath of the attack on the Dallas Police Department, and to Uvalde for the school shooter in 2022.

Recognized nationally, Dr. Glenn’s clients include a host of Texas and Arizona police, fire and EMS departments, federal law enforcement agencies, commercial aviation, and air medical programs. She is the clinical director for several peer support teams with her unique perspective on special operations competencies.

Dr. Glenn is a noted author with numerous books dealing with mental health, PTSD, first responders, military, and family. Additionally, she has been involved in several documentaries dealing directly with mental health trauma.

Thank you to our sponsors SHOTOVER, Dallas Avionics, and Robinson Helicopters.

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This episode was recorded on location in Washington, D.C., from the U.S. Park Police aviation hangar, as part of The Hangar Z Vertical Valor Road tour. 

We felt this was a great episode to release on Independence Day, the Fourth of July, 2024, which is a federal holiday in the United States commemorating the Declaration of Independence, which was ratified by the Second Continental Congress on July 4, 1776, establishing the United States of America.

Jack Schonely and Brent Bundy from Vertical Valor Magazine were invited into the U.S. Park Police Aviation hangar to see firsthand the good work they are doing as they protect the U.S. capital and its surrounding areas. 

We had the privilege of talking to and flying with the assistant commander of the aviation Unit, Sgt Tim Ryan, and chief pilot Sgt Ryan Evasick.

Sgt Ryan began his career with the United States Park Police in 2004. After three years as a patrol officer, he transitioned to the Aviation Unit in 2008. Sgt Ryan has held multiple roles within the unit, including rescue technician, chief rescue technician, and currently, assistant commander. 

His extensive training includes qualifications as a National Registry paramedic, tactical medic, and expertise in swiftwater rescue and high and low angle technical rescue. Originally from New Hampshire, Sgt Ryan now resides in Maryland with his family.

Sgt Evasick is the chief pilot for the U.S. Park Police. With 21 years of law enforcement experience and flying for the U.S. Park Police since 2013, Sgt Evasick holds commercial helicopter, certified flight instructor (CFI), and certified flight instructor instrument (CFII) ratings. His family includes his wife, a mental health clinician for the Virginia Department of Corrections; his son, a former U.S. Marine; and two beloved grandchildren.

Look out for photos, videos, and an article by Brent Bundy highlighting the U.S. Park Police on Verticalmag.com and the Vertical YouTube page. 

We're excited to dive into their experiences, insights, and the incredible work they do with the U.S. Park Police Aviation Unit. So, let's get started and welcome Sgt Tim Ryan and Sgt Ryan Evasick to the Hangar Z Podcast!

Thank you to our sponsors Bell, Collins Aerospace and Precision Aviation Group.

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Today’s episode comes to you from the floor of VAI Verticon 2025 in Dallas, Texas, where we recorded live at the Vertical magazine booth. Host Jack Schonely is joined by three outstanding guests: Pilot Natalie Hernandez of the San Antonio Police Department, Sgt Pilot Yvette Tuning of the Los Angeles Police Department, and Kodey Bogart, pilot and CEO of KB Aviation Solutions.

Each of these accomplished women followed a unique path into law enforcement aviation, and together they share valuable insights on a wide range of topics, including technology, budget considerations, safety and training best practices, SMS, and the challenges ahead for our industry. We also discuss the panel they were preparing to present at the Airbus booth the following day.

This was an engaging and inspiring conversation, and we’re honored to have had all three aviators join us. Don’t forget to like and subscribe to The Hangar Z Podcast—we truly appreciate your support.

Thank you to our sponsors CNC Technologies, Airbus and Anodyne Electronics Manufacturing.

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This episode was recorded from the Vertical HeliCASTS studio at HAI Heli-Expo in March.

Co-hosts Jack Schonely and Jon Gray had the opportunity to talk with Lieutenant Clay Lacey from the Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) about the Axnes wireless intercom system and how it has helped Texas DPS improve communications and situational awareness during flight operations.

 Lt Lacey, a distinguished member of the Texas DPS, brings a wealth of experience and expertise to the podcast.

Since his special assignment to the Texas DPS Aviation Operations Division in 2000, Lt Lacey has logged thousands of hours in the air, supporting critical missions such as criminal manhunts, surveillance operations, search-and-rescue missions, vehicle and foot pursuits, and airborne use of force. His dedication and skill have not only been pivotal in the field but also in the classroom.

Lt Lacey developed the Texas DPS tactical flight officer (TFO) training program from scratch and currently serves as a TFO instructor, sharing his knowledge worldwide on behalf of the Airborne Public Safety Association and various law enforcement units.

In addition to his instructional roles, Lt Lacey plays a vital part in the procurement and specification of equipment for the Texas DPS and acts as a consultant for emergency management and preparedness planning across the United States.

During this episode, we discuss the Axnes wireless intercom system. This digital, full-mission wireless intercom system is designed to enhance secure communications and situational awareness. The Axnes system is transforming the way airborne teams operate.

Its advanced integration into aircraft radios, mission maps, and intercom systems, along with its waterproof handsets and extensive battery life, make it an indispensable tool for aviation crews.

Thank you to our sponsors, CNC Technologies, Technisonic, and Precision Aviation Group.

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In this episode, Jack Schonely and I preview APSCON 2024, happening in Houston, Texas, from July 29th to August 3rd. We are joined by the Airborne Public Safety Association's Executive Director and CEO, Dan Schwarzbach, and Training Program Manager, Dan Knight.

APSCON 2024 is the annual conference for public safety aviation professionals worldwide, offering educational programs, hands-on training, networking opportunities, and the latest in technology and equipment.

Dan Schwarzbach brings 38 years of experience with the Houston Police Department, including 30 years in the Air Support Division. Since 2014, he has served as the Executive Director and CEO of the Airborne Public Safety Association.

Dan Knight began his law enforcement career in 1990, later joining the Federal Air Marshal Service and the Spokane County Sheriff’s Office. He now serves as the Training Program Manager for the Airborne Public Safety Association.

Tune in for insights on APSCON 2024 and the expertise of these industry leaders.

Thank you to our sponsors Robinson Helicopters, Spectrum Aeromed, and Precision Aviation Group.

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In this two-part series, co-hosts Jack Schonely and Jon Gray sit down with Helene Balmir, a pilot from the Phoenix Police Department.

Born to a French-Canadian mother and a Haitian father who immigrated to New York in the 1960s, Helen grew up in Montreal, Canada. She is the youngest of three sisters.

From a young age, Helen was an avid skier, hitting the slopes before she could walk and competing in downhill skiing until she was 17. She attended a Catholic high school but took a brief detour from her academic pursuits for a few years. Despite this, her passion for sports led her to earn a scholarship for soccer and track, eventually pursuing a degree in criminal justice at a university in Missouri.

After graduating, Helen returned to Montreal for a summer before traveling to Arizona to visit her sister. Although she originally planned to continue to Hawaii, she fell in love with Phoenix and decided to stay, eventually applying to the Phoenix Police Department.

Helen's career with the Phoenix Police Department began in 2004, patrolling the busy Maryvale precinct. From 2008 to 2015, she served as a detective in the Robbery-Kidnapping-Extortion unit before joining the ATF Violent Crimes Task Force, where she worked undercover until 2018. She then returned to Maryvale patrol until 2020, when she transitioned to the Air Support Unit.

In 2021, Helen attended flight school, earning her commercial pilot's certificate by March 2022. Her extensive training includes three phases of TFO training, each lasting three months.

In addition to her professional achievements, Helen is passionate about dog sports and training, working part-time for K9 Defense, a company specializing in raising and training police and other working dogs.

Thank you to our sponsors Astronautics Corporation of America, Summit Aviation, and Precision Aviation Group.

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In this two-part series, co-hosts Jack Schonely and Jon Gray sit down with Helene Balmir, a pilot from the Phoenix Police Department.

Born to a French-Canadian mother and a Haitian father who immigrated to New York in the 1960s, Helen grew up in Montreal, Canada. She is the youngest of three sisters.

From a young age, Helen was an avid skier, hitting the slopes before she could walk and competing in downhill skiing until she was 17. She attended a Catholic high school but took a brief detour from her academic pursuits for a few years. Despite this, her passion for sports led her to earn a scholarship for soccer and track, eventually pursuing a degree in criminal justice at a university in Missouri.

After graduating, Helen returned to Montreal for a summer before traveling to Arizona to visit her sister. Although she originally planned to continue to Hawaii, she fell in love with Phoenix and decided to stay, eventually applying to the Phoenix Police Department.

Helen's career with the Phoenix Police Department began in 2004, patrolling the busy Maryvale precinct. From 2008 to 2015, she served as a detective in the Robbery-Kidnapping-Extortion unit before joining the ATF Violent Crimes Task Force, where she worked undercover until 2018. She then returned to Maryvale patrol until 2020, when she transitioned to the Air Support Unit.

In 2021, Helen attended flight school, earning her commercial pilot's certificate by March 2022. Her extensive training includes three phases of TFO training, each lasting three months.

In addition to her professional achievements, Helen is passionate about dog sports and training, working part-time for K9 Defense, a company specializing in raising and training police and other working dogs.

Thank you to our sponsors  SHOTOVER, Spectrum Aeromed, and Anodyne Electronics Manufacturing.

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In this two-part series, co-hosts Jack Schonely and Jon Gray sit down with Andre Schabron.

Andre is an accomplished helicopter pilot holding an Airline Transport Pilot certificate (ATPL) with experience across varied environments. With a professional demeanor and a proactive approach, he excels in team settings and thrives under pressure. His aviation experience encompasses flying in controlled airspaces and remote regions, including the Arctic.

Andre is currently serving as a police helicopter pilot with the York Regional Police Department in Ontario, Canada. Andre contributes to the Air Support Unit, executing missions with precision and safety. His previous roles include supporting operations in the Arctic and remote oil-and-gas sites, demonstrating adaptability and resilience in challenging environments.

 
Before his aviation career, Andre served as a police officer and detective with the Zurich Cantonal Police in Switzerland, honing his investigative and leadership skills over nearly two decades. Additionally, his experience in the Swiss Armed Forces further enriched his teamwork and communication abilities.

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In this two-part series, co-hosts Jack Schonely and Jon Gray sit down with Andre Schabron.

 Andre is an accomplished helicopter pilot holding an Airline Transport Pilot certificate (ATPL) with experience across varied environments. With a professional demeanor and a proactive approach, he excels in team settings and thrives under pressure. His aviation experience encompasses flying in controlled airspaces and remote regions, including the Arctic.

Andre is currently serving as a police helicopter pilot with the York Regional Police Department in Ontario, Canada. Andre contributes to the Air Support Unit, executing missions with precision and safety. His previous roles include supporting operations in the Arctic and remote oil-and-gas sites, demonstrating adaptability and resilience in challenging environments.

 
Before his aviation career, Andre served as a police officer and detective with the Zurich Cantonal Police in Switzerland, honing his investigative and leadership skills over nearly two decades. Additionally, his experience in the Swiss Armed Forces further enriched his teamwork and communication abilities.

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In this two-part series, hosts Jack Schonely and Jon Gray sit down with Kris Stone, owner and handler of K9 Torque and the Huey Vets crew from EMU Inc.

In this conversation, the EMU Crew discusses their work with K9 Torque, a detection dog trained to find electronic storage devices. Torque specializes in finding flash drives and SD cards to help investigators gather evidence against child sexual predators and traffickers. Torque is also a therapy dog, providing comfort and support to veterans and children in hospitals and schools. 

The EMU Crew also shares their work with Huey Vets, an organization that uses helicopters to raise awareness about the forgotten heroes of the Vietnam War. 

We discuss the challenges and maintenance considerations of operating and restoring the Huey helicopter. 

EMU 309 Geoff Carr, a Vietnam vet, and his team, discuss the battle damage and life expectancy of the aircraft during the Vietnam War. They also discuss the nonprofit nature of their organization and their mission to support veterans and raise awareness about PTSD.

Thank you to our sponsors Bell, Dallas Avionics and Metro Aviation.

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In this two-part series, hosts Jack Schonely and Jon Gray sit down with Kris Stone, owner and handler of K9 Torque and the Huey Vets crew from EMU Inc.

In this conversation, the EMU Crew discusses their work with K9 Torque, a detection dog trained to find electronic storage devices. Torque specializes in finding flash drives and SD cards to help investigators gather evidence against child sexual predators and traffickers. Torque is also a therapy dog, providing comfort and support to veterans and children in hospitals and schools. 

The EMU Crew also shares their work with Huey Vets, an organization that uses helicopters to raise awareness about the forgotten heroes of the Vietnam War. 

We discuss the challenges and maintenance considerations of operating and restoring the Huey helicopter. 

EMU 309 Geoff Carr, a Vietnam vet, and his team, discuss the battle damage and life expectancy of the aircraft during the Vietnam War. They also discuss the nonprofit nature of their organization and their mission to support veterans and raise awareness about PTSD.

Thank you to our Sponsors Bell, Precision Aviation Group and CNC Technologies.

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In this episode, we dive deep into the world of Airbox, a trailblazing company reshaping the landscape of situational awareness technology. 

 During this episode, hosts Richard Brandon and Jon Gray sit down with Airbox Systems co-founder and CEO, William Moore and director, Gerry Hill, for an exclusive insider's look at their groundbreaking journey.

 
Airbox isn't just a software company; it's a lifeline for those on the frontlines of emergency response. Moore and Hill illuminate the genesis of Airbox, tracing its roots from a navigation solution for private pilots to becoming the go-to provider of situational awareness tools for law enforcement, military and emergency services worldwide.

 
With over 400 maps available and the ability to operate offline, Airbox's software ensures seamless coordination and decision-making in the most challenging environments. Moore's entrepreneurial acumen, coupled with Hill's extensive military background, has fueled Airbox's mission to connect air and ground responders, creating a unified operational picture to save lives.

 
Hear firsthand how Airbox's passion for protecting life drives the company’s relentless pursuit of innovation and excellence. Moore's visionary leadership and Hill's wealth of experience from 34 years with 22 SAS, the active regiment of the U.K. Special Air Service, converge to deliver software solutions that empower responders with critical information when it matters most.

 
But Airbox isn't just about technology; it's about people. Learn how Hill's dedication to supporting service personnel led him to establish Hire A Hero, a military charity aiding in the transition from service to civilian life. His decorated military career underscores the commitment to service that permeates Airbox's DNA.

 
Join us as we explore the intersection of technology, service and humanity with two remarkable individuals at the helm of Airbox Systems. Whether you're fascinated by cutting-edge tech or inspired by stories of courage and compassion, this episode offers a captivating glimpse into the future of emergency response.


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Today’s episode comes to you from the floor of VAI Verticon 2025 in Dallas, Texas, where we recorded live at the Vertical magazine booth. Host Jack Schonely is joined by three outstanding guests: Pilot Natalie Hernandez of the San Antonio Police Department, Sgt Pilot Yvette Tuning of the Los Angeles Police Department, and Kodey Bogart, pilot and CEO of KB Aviation Solutions.

Each of these accomplished women followed a unique path into law enforcement aviation, and together they share valuable insights on a wide range of topics, including technology, budget considerations, safety and training best practices, SMS, and the challenges ahead for our industry. We also discuss the panel they were preparing to present at the Airbus booth the following day.

This was an engaging and inspiring conversation, and we’re honored to have had all three aviators join us. Don’t forget to like and subscribe to The Hangar Z Podcast—we truly appreciate your support.

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In this two-part series, Mike Calhoun and Jon Gray sit down with Andrew Edgerton, chief pilot of the Fairfax County Police Department. 

The Fairfax County Police Department is the largest law enforcement agency in Virginia, serving a population of over 1.1 million residents. Fairfax County borders the Potomac River, with Washington, D.C., directly across on the northern and eastern banks.

Edgerton discusses his experiences flying in and around Washington, D.C., which is arguably the world's most restrictive airspace. He also talks about his journey into aviation and law enforcement, as well as the role of certified flight instructors (CFIs) and training in the industry.

The group also discusses the use of civilian pilots in law enforcement aviation, and recruitment and retention issues in the field. They discuss the importance of crew coordination and the transition from being an electronic newsgathering (ENG) pilot to a law enforcement pilot. 

Lastly, Edgerton provides an overview of the Fairfax County Police Department and the opportunities available within the agency.


Thank you to our sponsors Bell, Metro Aviation, and SHOTOVER.

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In this two-part series, Mike Calhoun and Jon Gray sit down with Andrew Edgerton, chief pilot of the Fairfax County Police Department. 

The Fairfax County Police Department is the largest law enforcement agency in Virginia, serving a population of over 1.1 million residents. Fairfax County borders the Potomac River, with Washington, D.C., directly across on the northern and eastern banks.

Edgerton discusses his experiences flying in and around Washington, D.C., which is arguably the world's most restrictive airspace. He also talks about his journey into aviation and law enforcement, as well as the role of certified flight instructors (CFIs) and training in the industry.

The group also discusses the use of civilian pilots in law enforcement aviation, and recruitment and retention issues in the field. They discuss the importance of crew coordination and the transition from being an electronic newsgathering (ENG) pilot to a law enforcement pilot. 

Lastly, Edgerton provides an overview of the Fairfax County Police Department and the opportunities available within the agency.


Thank you to our sponsors Garmin, MD Helicopters and Robinson Helicopters.