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| 1. Xerocon 2025 | Where the Sun Shines | The AI Race | 09 Sep 2025 | 00:22:07 | |
Who knows what the future of From the Trenches is? Not us. But when Dave posted about a Xerocon Trenches recording it performed better than other linked in posts actual thought went into.
BEST ON GROUND Paul Meisner
David Boyar
WORST ON GROUND Paul Meisner
David Boyar
From Dave "The online accounting world has become incredibly negative... but they're smiling, they're wearing shorts, having a great year, but here, Accounting has sun shining on it at the moment" From Paul "Industry bodies, where the bloody hell are you? 3,500 of the accounting and bookkeeping community in one room and you can't even show up"
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| 1. "It's pretty Epic" | 22 Nov 2024 | 00:25:56 | |
G'day friends, Been a while but Dave made Paul a promise - that he could make the most content rich accounting event, filled with high value content, a fair balance for sponsors and organizers, and a proper party. And Paul is the sort of person who holds people to account....
And there's about 30 tickets left.................... and Dave said it would sell out ....so you know...help him out. Get your tickets at accessallareas.au Access All Areas - Access All Areas Sorry about some of the audio, we are out of form.
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| 15. What Happens When Xero Goes Down? With Xero CTO Mark Rees | 19 Sep 2022 | 00:11:12 | |
When Xero goes down does CTO Mark Rees get a red alert alarm in the middle of the night? Is it red flashing lights and blaring alarms?
Listen to find out as Paul Meissner goes 1:1 with Mark Rees at Xerocon
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| 14. What are financial services and why does Xero have them with Leigh O'Neill EGM - Global Financial Services @ Xerocon | 13 Sep 2022 | 00:14:10 | |
There are so many new payment apps now. Some of them are payments but cheaper and other build great workflows to solve business problems you currently have. And there is a ton of work being done to help banks understand Xero data. And the person overseeing this strategy is Xero's Leigh O'Neill.
Check out our other Xerocon Interviews. 4 Minutes and 31 Seconds with Jo Lyons @Xerocon https://omny.fm/shows/from-the-trenches/4-minutes-and-31-seconds-with-jo-lyons
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| 12. 4 Minutes and 31 Seconds with Jo Lyons @Xerocon | 13 Sep 2022 | 00:04:32 | |
New Xero APAC Managing Director Jo Lyons has the energy one needs to take on this enormous job. In this 4 minutes and 31 second floor walk interview Jo and Paul capture the energy of Xerocon. Check out our other Xerocon interviews Financial Services and Xero - What and Why with Leigh O'Neill - EGM Financial Services Where's the product? With Mark Rees CTO Huge thanks to Xero for comping Paul and Dave some Xerocon tickets. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | |||
| 12. Xerocon: Coachella or Community for Accountants? | 02 Sep 2022 | 00:41:18 | |
It's a nervous feeling as we get ready for for the biggest gathering of the industry in 3 years with the 3,000 odd attendees slightly eclipsing the 13 odd people who went to the IPA crypto conference. This is the retail junket we have all been looking for, the most accessible one that has sold out by attendees, was over sold to sponsors and stands to re shape the energy in the industry. And we discuss, if we don't expect major product announcements, and if the content is more wokey, techy, thoughy leadershipy stuff you could get anywhere then why did it sell out? And why are we so excited? Well, because this is the greatest peer accounting community in the region and the industry clearly craves coming together. In this years preview Dave and Paul cover: Is this a tech conference or an accounting conference? What we're looking forward to What we want to learn Who we want to meet (hint, it's you). Software Vs Accountants Futsol Penalty Shootout Want to kick a ball at the head of a software vendor (And be ok with them kicking back)? Software Vs Accountants Futsol penalty shoot out will go ahead live at Time 2.00 PM Day 2 Wednesday If you want to attend send Paul, Dave or Trent a message on social media or email summit@fromthetrenches.com.au
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| 11. CA's Review Rollercoaster | Workplace TV | Nonsense Mission Statements | 26 Aug 2022 | 00:29:38 | |
Best on Ground Tyler Casky takes the Moral High ground on paid influencers https://www.linkedin.com/posts/tylercaskey_i-love-little-innovations-like-this-they-activity-6964724147667025920-k72D/?utm_source=linkedin_share&utm_medium=member_desktop_web The rise of Workplace TV
Pauls Rant got 50k Linked In views - but is he right? https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6963277532511043585/ Progress on the Gender Pay Gap at the Big 4 Paul Excel formula’s: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/asifmasani_financial-modelling-formulas-ugcPost-6965610625259454464--7kU?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop We need a Recession so tech staff find out what hard work looks like https://twitter.com/JohnWRichKid/status/1561023740577779713 Worst on Ground David Quiet quitting isn't real - we used to call it being lazy, this is just the old gen thinking the new gen work less - https://www.accountantsdaily.com.au/appointments/17457-excess-overtime-fuels-quiet-quitting-epidemic This is what 16% homeloans look like - Literally https://www.linkedin.com/posts/james-n-nicol_these-are-not-high-interest-rates-this-activity-6968392410934501376-kJ4j/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop Nonsense Mission Statements getting called out https://www.afr.com/work-and-careers/management/ashurst-should-accept-its-purpose-is-not-extraordinary-20220722-p5b3qc Paul CPA too late on capacity to pay letters https://www.accountantsdaily.com.au/business/17328-avoid-capacity-to-pay-letters-warns-cpa-australia Chartered Accountants Launches another review - we don't care, what matters is implemented changes. Intuit has rebranded to a simpler font. Why? https://www.intuit.com/blog/news-social/unveiling-our-new-intuit-logo/?cid=soc_employee-ambassador&utm_channeltype=LinkedIn
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| 10. Cheating at KPMG | Ethical Difference Makers?| Xero Reports | 22 Jul 2022 | 00:45:40 | |
What a week to make worst on ground. No matter how hard you tried, some other company did it worse. Xero are pulling their much loved version 1 reports. That was a show until… KPMG got caught cheating and CA did barely anything about it. That was a show until… CAANZ took 18 months to do what little they did causing all three accounting bodies to get a please explain from the Professional Standards Authority and somehow found a way to defend their actions and blame their processes instead of any one person. Sounds like the type of unaccountable culture that could lead to….say……systemising ethical breaches. Best on Ground David Xero’s Emotional Tax Return Campaign https://www.linkedin.com/posts/joseph-lyons-au_running-your-own-business-is-an-incredibly-activity-6949868389066514432-7Qly/?utm_source=linkedin_share&utm_medium=member_desktop_web Accountants Daily new Editor Phil King is capturing the mood of the industry with tech news and industry voice Paul New Xero product - Xero go. Interesting given the current app already has a lot of the functionality. https://www.xero.com/blog/2022/07/xero-go-for-uk-based-sole-traders/ Beta testing new tech is good for the customer. AI in Food - https://www.afr.com/technology/pizza-giant-gets-into-maths-of-preparing-food-before-orders-arrive-20220713-p5b1g0 Worst on Ground Paul CA can’t uphold the ethics of the profession
ANZ - MYOB - Suncorp - Myob https://www.arnnet.com.au/article/699933/anz-drops-myob-acquisition-talks/ David Rezza hood manages to upset accountants and bookkeepers in one overly salesy Hpost Mass Media Fear mongering on interest rates makes us dumberhttps://www.linkedin.com/posts/michaelhutchens_australias-mass-media-reporting-of-the-reserve-activity-6949950144876290049-rnjx/?utm_source=linkedin_share&utm_medium=member_desktop_web Atlassian is so unprofitable but we worship them https://www.smartcompany.com.au/startupsmart/analysis/atlassian-unprofitable-valuation-adam-schwab/ Why VCFO Fails https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6947990583122513920/ VCFO association is part of the solution they spend their time trying to educate on the difference https://vcfoassociation.com.au/
__________________________________________________ This Episode is brought to you by ChangeGPS - Growth Profit Systems making accounting client friendly (brought to you means Dave did it on ChangeGPS time). Register for the 2022 Financial Statements + Tax Return Workpapers Masterclass Monday 1st August 2022 1:00-2:00pm AEST 2022 Financial Statements + Tax Return Workpapers Masterclass (changegps.com.au) Do you want to get your entire team to have an efficient and standardised Year End process? Invite the whole team - even your juniors! - for our 2022 Financial Statements and Tax Return Workpaper Masterclass. With a consistent “one-way for everyone” approach, your firm will be able to:
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| 8. The Dext Generation | Interview with Dext CRO, Alistair Newman | 15 Jun 2022 | 00:36:59 | |
The orange, and widely loved Dext (Previously Receipt Bank) has had an interesting run. Dext Chief Revenue Officer Alistair Newman says they're bigger, and better and have new ways to build relationships with you their customer. But the accounting community has a lot of questions, and we are lucky to sit down and get some real answers from Al himself when he was down under in Australia last month. We give a hearty Trenches congratulations to Al for this interview. He sat there and took the direct elephant in the room questions like an absolute pro. ________________________________________________________________ Dext are proud sponsors of From The Trenches - Trenches Summit 2.0 Check out the Dext's Keynote at Trenches Summit 2.0 The Australian Accounting Tech Report: Solving the time/tech conundrum. A talk by David Boyar, Glenn Castle, Michael Johnson and Cassandra Scott Register Here https://summit.fromthetrenches.com.au/talks/dext-keynote/
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| 7. IPlAte | Xero still the big pull? | Tech Staff Changes | 30 May 2022 | 00:30:48 | |
Best on Ground Accounting Coaches that prove their value – with a p and l! Even when McKinsey stuffs up they win https://twitter.com/MattZeitlin/status/1517279854135107584 What happens after you sell your payroll app? Richard McLean (@richviking99) / Twitter If you work for a tech company and rely on your shares instead of your wages/bonuses you’ll probably lose out https://investing1012dot0.substack.com/p/valuations?s=r
Paul – Not best or worst, just really interesting seemingly lots and lots of LinkedIn new job posts. Not great resignation but Great Movement. Divipay have 14 jobs open! https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6936623969076658176/ ChangeGPS have 3 open positions Work with Us (changegps.com.au) Worst on Ground Power to accountants doing what the bodies aren’t https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6927750334123556864/ Meanwhile the IPA and CA submissions were dated AFTER the advertised due date after having 6 years to get their act together! If Benny Hill music had a font type it would be the new sage logo https://www.business-live.co.uk/professional-services/software-giant-sage-unveils-new-23796099 Accounting Bodies Out of touch with the urgency of s100a Xero Roadshow Review See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | |||
| 6. Systemic Failure of the Accounting Bodies | Tinder for Tax | Fast Collapse | 28 Apr 2022 | 00:49:43 | |
Best on Ground Paul Tech wont change your life much in the next ten years - here’s why https://twitter.com/sweatystartup/status/1505125330817802244 Fast Collapse: https://www.axios.com/fast-checkout-startup-collapse-029d1601-6d4f-43a4-b816-bd4b15771bbe.html AccountexAU launch What it needs to prove: That it can make a fair profit for it’s substantial risk with the available quality content providers https://twitter.com/AccountexAus/status/1511555738430500864 Farewell Craig Walker https://twitter.com/storminwalker/status/1509699836463005698 David A new Practice Manager Consideration I recently got asked if the practice management solutions actually solve a problem (so many firms just use excel) - CAA use Karbon. Paul uses excel and XPM and we hear about FYI docs all the time but PWC has chosen….Monday https://www.linkedin.com/posts/mondaydotcom_global-alliance-with-kpmg-ugcPost-6902266804081958912-8qPt/ Tinder for tax Gofar making FBT simple and is calling itself Tinder for Tax How GoProposal gets it’s staff to work in the office https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6917789747926949888/?commentUrn=urn%3Ali%3Acomment%3A(ugcPost%3A6917789738972110848%2C6917964958639030272) Even Jerry Seinfleid knows big firms aren’t better https://twitter.com/buccocapital/status/1510249981789282304
Worst on Ground Dave Frustrated how we seem to keep printing money? Monopoly has your answer https://twitter.com/biancoresearch/status/1510254967113748485
The war in Ukraine - and the impact on accountants with clients doing business in Russia https://www.linkedin.com/posts/daniel-rosenblatt-trade-law_sanctions-russia-belarus-activity-6905150591698644994-Vdha/
Accounting Bodies are Failing. Accounting Bodies gloss over their systemic failures around talent and there aren’t enough accountants to lodge returns.
Small Practitioners don't have a voice - s100a proved it - No seat at the table yet again ATO says industry asked for s100a guidance? But who asked? Who is actually your voice here? Check out who sits on the ATO’s consultation group. Did they represent you? https://www.ato.gov.au/general/consultation/consultation-groups/stewardship-groups/private-groups-stewardship-group/ The current advocacy system is designed to get you to comply, not to represent you. Independence? IPA CEO appointed to TPB Board making a judge, jury and executioner https://www.tpb.gov.au/news-media/media-releases/tax-practitioners-board-welcomes-two-new-members
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| 5. 5 Year Anniversary Special LIVE | What should have changed | What will change | 29 Mar 2022 | 00:27:20 | |
5 years ago Paul Meissner stood in the door frame of David Boyar's office at the fancy co-working space WorkClub on Collins St Melbourne. It was so fancy, by co-working standards that it hard original parquet floors. Arguing about something Xero had just done Megan Velo, who seemed to do all of David's client work, suggested the two should start a podcast. Ron Lesh and BGL backed it. 5 years of tech promises, tech deliverables, delayed tech, industry body fails, and change that was sped up by a pandemic went past. An active community desperate for a voice was developed. Trent McLaren was appointed as CEO. Then Linked In reminded Dave and Paul, it was their 5 year anniversary and they just so happened to be booked for a live show at the ChangeGPS Summit on the Gold Coast. So Dave and Paul did what they've done so many times before. They hit record.
Joining the show BGL CEO Ron Lesh From the Trenches CEO and DiviPay head of accounting Trent McLaren
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| 1. Can CA regulate the profession? | MYOB's ripper new add | The biggest innovation in 10 years | 18 Feb 2024 | 00:28:43 | |
As Statler said to Waldorf, the witty old blokes in the VIP box on the Muppet show; “There’s a lot to be said about this program.” To which Waldorf quipped back; “Too bad you can’t say it on a family show!” The bothed harrumphed and probably cut to a clip of Kermit trying to get animal ready for his next scene. And in the spirit of that nostalgia Trenches starts it's 8th year. Paul and David say a huge THANK YOU for investing some of your time listening to us. Because of you we are earn the meaningless perk of being ranked in the top 20% most listened to podcast on earth. Not bad for a show about real life in the accounting industry. Best on Ground David CAANZs budget submission covers everything - but will Canberra listen? - CAs influence has to be at a weak point https://www.charteredaccountantsanz.com/news-and-analysis/advocacy/policy-submissions/pre-budget-submission-2023-24 Karbons payments product was bigger than expected https://karbonhq.com/feature/billing-and-payments/ Fox Sports - Stick to highlights of the 2016 and 2023 Grand Finals, leave the balance sheets to us https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7163833930805096449/
Paul Paul hit the ChangeGPS National tour to see the launch of Protect - David calls it the biggest innovation in accounting in a decade https://changegps.com.au/apps/protect DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE - David did not ask Paul to cover this, in fact David has begged Paul to talk about ChangeGPS in the past and he has said no. The comments in the show are 100000% because Paul chose to share them. MYOB lampoons instant invoicing in the best way https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVzPKz_Uz2M Worst on Ground Paul Flexible Hours will suffer thanks to the right to switch off https://www.afr.com/work-and-careers/workplace/business-fights-back-against-right-to-disconnect-from-work-20231220-p5esol#:~:text=%E2%80%9CA%20legislated%20right%20to%20disconnect,are%20unreasonable%2C%E2%80%9D%20she%20said. Agent Linking- David completely misunderstood the issue but Paul was in the room when it was workshopped….what actually happened is worse. Ethics and the insane tokens accountants need to jump through as CA clings to a belief it can regulate the profession. Pledges, dobbing in peers increased ethics training. David Media reports of 150 ATO agents linked to tik tok GST fraud is good ol fashioned clickbait See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | |||
| 2. Change the reason your firm exists | ReckonOne growth |TikTok Regulators | IPA's Junket strategy | 24 Mar 2022 | 00:33:31 | |
Listen to learn:-
Best on Ground Paul Real time dashboards are overkill https://www.linkedin.com/posts/lukalovosevic_data-automation-realtimeanalytics-activity-6889545309546938368-XEzY/ ReckonOne is more popular than most of us think, great results from Reckon https://www.reckon.com/au/media/half-year-financial-report-2021-reckon-delivers-strong-results/ The IPA SHOULD host their tax deductible junket conferences in Fiji otherwise we can't justify any benefit at all to Australian members for this https://www.accountantsdaily.com.au/business/16650-ipa-and-the-fiji-institute-of-accountants-announce-partnership
David Baker Tilly Changes it’s purpose away from lodging tax returns https://www.linkedin.com/posts/alan-whitman-357ab91_purpose-nowfortomorrow-activity-6896447373279911936-9rV3/ We don’t celebrate raises often but HNRY raising 16m at a 100m valuation is good for Australian Accountants https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/127646547/wellington-startup-hnry-eyes-expansion-after-securing-16m-investment The IRS joins Tik Tik - hilariously https://twitter.com/dhtoomey/status/1488270707406614528 Poor accounting leads to $5billion in extra rail payments https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-09/nsw-government-criticised-over-accounting-by-auditor-general/100816682 and Lance Rubin responds https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6897288212595798016/
Worst on Ground Paul More traditional accountant bashing:
David The busted client https://twitter.com/IraGilligan/status/1487146713949343753 The connected/Xero/Tech Savvy accountant is still news to the average business owner even though it’s ten years old https://digitalmag.theceomagazine.com/anz/march-2022/innovate/nick-urry/ Outdated Hiring Practices - We are not who we worked for we are what we do https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity-6897313048122544128-qS8U Quotes from the Episode “I don't know how people can attract anyone to the profession when for 20 years they said the profession is not going to exist.” Paul “One thing that's hard to replicate in the accounting industry is the relationship.” David “Financial models are wrong because the drivers are wrong” David “There’s a difference between a model being wrong and the actual application of accounting standards.” David “We are not who we worked for. We are what we do.” Tyler
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| 1. $1,000 for a demo | Fake Resignation | Too many accountants | 10 Feb 2022 | 00:43:19 | |
Welcome To 2022 - where all you need to do is not stay at home and live a little to start enjoying life again.
Best On Ground David The cool young accountants are sharing their salaries on Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/AustralianAccounting/comments/s0fjr0/salary_thread/ Staff need the best tech to work well at home so the practice leaders should own IT https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity-6880013227548397568-OI8_/ Paul Lorilyn Wilson perfectly explains how one can look stupid trying to make the USA Tax System simple https://t.co/czIDGNiaDE Phenomenal Leadership Tips from NFLs Best young coach. (this is the bloke with the get back coach This is what a Get Back Coach is What it's like to be Sean McVay's 'get back' coach | NFL Films Presents) Worst on Ground David Company's are so desperate for your attention one offered David a set of Apple Air Pods, $250 cash and $750 on an amazon card! The irony of GLOBAL tech giants realising they can't only employ in the Bay Area https://twitter.com/patrickc/status/1480647701221896195 The great resignation is Fake https://www.afr.com/work-and-careers/workplace/great-resignation-may-be-just-around-the-corner-20211122-p59b2d
Paul Ask a dumb question get a dumb answer - this is the worst poll of all time https://www.news.com.au/finance/money/wealth/how-much-aussies-think-they-need-to-earn-to-have-a-good-life/news-story/6e3d352916da228379e032df476b4e0a In 2014 people thought Australia had too many accountants https://www.smh.com.au/business/does-australia-have-too-many-accountants-20140212-32huu.html
Software Companies who can't differentiate between Accountants and BookKeepers
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| 8. Men Vs Women: The Gender Pay Gap Convo That Is So Hard to Have. | 24 Dec 2021 | 01:02:31 | |
2022 has produced a focus on gender inequality in the accounting industry with both CAANZ and Intuit producing detailed reports about the current state of play. Sometimes the story is told as a battle of Men v Women and that likely won't produce results that bring positive returns to firm owners and positive experiences for accountants impacted. For many, actively engaging in the gender pay gap can be scary, for many, the floor is lava and we don't want to fall. But without awareness progress can't happen so From The Trenches is proud to present this episode together with Intuit Quickbooks and their new Gender Equity in the Accounting Profession report Get the Report Here https://www.accountantsdaily.com.au/gender-equity-in-accounting-addressing-the-career-cliff In this episode David Hosts Intuit Head of Accounting Shaye Thyer who has assembled an epic panel including:
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| 8. Elon Musk is an Accountant | Award Winners Go to Jail | Stop Polling Us | 15 Dec 2021 | 00:41:13 | |
Listen to hear Paul Meissner flinch as someone who clearly isn't an accountant get's called on and these other fine stories. Best on Ground David There are a lot of acquisitions going on https://www.enterprisetimes.co.uk/2021/10/05/sage-buys-proposal-software-vendor-goproposal/
Elon Musk is an Accountant
Paul
ChangeGPS is Xero's Practice App of the Year https://www.linkedin.com/posts/davidboyar_xeroawards-unbeatableaccountants-activity-6853906282974474240-0Z7M Practice Protect Cloud Apps report is one glorious set of actual data that let's you know what apps firms are using. https://hub.practiceprotect.com/cloud-apps-report-2021 Orange Girl herds Xero's sh*t fixing team in a glorious corporate response https://twitter.com/orangegirlnz/status/1443927056669155364
Worst on Ground David When award winners go to jail https://twitter.com/eringriffith/status/1443563933357395978/photo/1 ITR pricing is too cheap https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity-6849466529642352640-lqAH/ Paul A 5 year old blog isn't relevant anymore so don't post it on socials
Linked in Polls need to stop
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| 8. Want 8x ROI? Invest in Mental Health for Staff | 09 Sep 2021 | 00:14:01 | |
David chats to ICB CEO Amanda Linton and Beyond Blue Deputy Chair Kate Carnell about why we should view investment in Mental Health training the same way we view investment in technology. Register for their Summit Session https://summit.fromthetrenches.com.au/talks/mental-health-session/ Sign up to the New Access Program https://www.beyondblue.org.au/get-support/newaccess See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | |||
| 7. What Happened To Receipt Bank? | 03 Sep 2021 | 00:22:55 | |
What happened? It was Orange, it was loved, now it's Dext, it's three things not one and got dealt a savage hand by pockets of the social media world. But the strategy makes sense if you dig in to it. Listen to David Boyar ask Paul Lodder - Product Domain Expert (and a seriously accomplished accountant), What happened to Receipt Bank? Want more? Register for Paul's session at Trenches Summit " https://summit.fromthetrenches.com.au/talks/dext-keynote/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | |||
| 6. Trenches Summit: 54 Speakers / 5 Industry Bodies/1 Government Agency/19 partners | 12 Aug 2021 | 00:16:49 | |
54 Speakers 5 Industry Bodies 19 Event Partners 2 Plucky Hosts 1 Awards session Stupid amounts of CPD September 13 and 14 2021 https://summit.fromthetrenches.com.au/ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | |||
| 3. Worst On Ground: Virtual Summits - We'll fix them. | 23 Jul 2021 | 00:36:26 | |
Get your early bird tickets to the Trenches Summit right now to keep up to date with a summit that has the best of the best without any of the worst. https://summit.fromthetrenches.com.au/coming-soon/ Best on Ground Paul Speed Dating with your work hat off helps you compare apples with apples when considering tech solutions. David Learning has genuine value – it's the only way to improve anything that is keeping you down. Trent McLaren (Divi Pay) The side events, it feels like a 5 day music festival – Accountingpalooza Jack Kay (ChangeGPS) The best ones are when expectation meets reality. Content is focused without marketing spin
Worst on Ground Paul When tech delivers content outside the core problem the tech solves (wait for the stoush with Trent over why). David Too many speaking slots in narrow talent pool. The slots are becuase vendors paid even if they don’t have quality content to deliver. Trent With a Vendor Hat on it’s clear the pay to play model make ROI didn’t correlate . Events who used to charge 20k for an inperson event shouldn’t charge 20k for a virtual one. Content programs are commercially led and commercial outcomes can conflict with attendee priorities
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| 2. Compliance is..................not perfect. | 05 Jul 2021 | 00:25:30 | |
Compliance is not dead, but it's not perfect so David Boyar interviews Paul Meissner to get the state of compliance revenue. The biggest problem is how revenue is generated. Some tech companies try to solve this by assuming revenue from compliance is a dying source but no one in practice really believes it's going anywhere. In this episode David Boyar interviews Paul Meissner to find the three problems with how revenue is generated from compliance services.
Some of these points may be relevant to you, some may bolster your confidence in what you are currently doing and some, well they might make you mad.
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| 1. It's Back-ish: Trading Trusts and Cotchy Vs Xero | 19 May 2021 | 00:34:13 | |
A linked in post titled Cotchy Vs Xero shows how well the accountant, Pat Mannix from Paris Financial, understood his clients (startups) and how different they were to the needs of his traditional 70 staff practice in Melbourne. Like most accountants Pat is passionate about what matters to his business, and his clients. Listen to hear why:-
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| 3. Joseph Boyar Z"L | 31 Aug 2023 | 00:45:20 | |
My Father was a public practitioner for 40 years and my family lost him this year. One day, everyone of your families will be in this position. This episode, might be important to them. At some point in your life, it might be important for you. The first 8.5 minutes of this episode I talk about Dad. He came to Australia with very little, was brought up through welfare homes and then together with my mum raised my sister and I, while building an accounting practice that sustained my family through millions of happy moments. If it is too heavy for you, I understand, sharing this is an indulgence for me, you can skip it if you want to. If you skip it, you need to know this bit. Regular listeners would knowhow influential Dad was on my career and values. He is the reason I understand what you do so well. And why I realised I was better placed to help you rather than small business clients. Paul and I then talk through the first two weeks, the transition to get Paul control to service clients, and how he navigated the day to day while managing his practice and his family. Finally we talk through the sale process and what it means for for my family While dealing with the grief, Paul stepped in as director and ran the day today while I worked through a sale process. Not every family has a Paul or a son like me, our knowledge of the industry helped. And not everyone has a friend like Paul, who stepped up the way the very best of friends do, when you are at your lowest. I hope when reading this line, you appreciate my lesson here. I develop, sell and support accounting technology for a living, so it is with honesty that I say:- The tech you use doesn't matter. All that matters. Is your health, and your relationship with your clients. Yes, you're all that matters.
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Cultural Note Z"L is an English rendering of a common Hebrew posthumous honorific. ז״ל (Z"L) is the acronym of זיכרונו לברכה (zikhronó liv'rakhá, literally “may his memory be a blessing”. - wikipedia.
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| 120. Lazy Accountants? Real Leaders, Excels Dynamic Arrays | 26 Jun 2020 | 00:34:45 | |
Best on Ground A fact sheet released by the corporate regulator highlighted it would cost members $13,900 to operate a self-managed super fund, as well as a 100-hours-a-year time commitment. The ATO has refined these figures, showing operating expenses are closer to $3,923 a year. https://www.smsfadviser.com/news/18950-ato-figures-throw-light-on-asic-s-financial-fact-sheet Great content by the ATO. Content from May 2016, can’t say I have seen it before. David Boyar Twitter is more often a dangerous place than a supportive one but this is #taxtwitter at its best
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| 23. Social Sycophants & Ideas That Aren't Worth Spreading | 19 Jun 2020 | 00:21:57 | |
The rant episode years in the making. Online lives are fake for both business and personal. This is spoken about often in our personal lives but when people are big noting themselves in business platforms, we're worried about the impact on our business lives. Anyone can post any view or opinion they have now as fact. Facts no longer matter. Science is irrelevant and research is more often shared when it's commissioned by marketers who need data to sell their product. People are then emboldened by social sycophants that just agree with them. And when that happens, an idea that isn't worth spreading gets spread. Anyone who tries a counter argument is labelled a troll or grumpy and risks damage to the professional reputation. Facts don’t matter anymore, there is always a group that will feed you back your views, a comfortable confirmation bias is met. And if enough likes and clicks are made all of a sudden that person is considered a "thought leader". When all they did was share a self service opinion. I often hear people pass off likes, supportive comments etc as proof that anyone holding a different view is irrelevant. But we embrace the differing view. We like the friction and the debate.
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| 45. Digital Signing Booms, Returning From Home & 2 Self WOGs | 05 Jun 2020 | 00:40:22 | |
The Weekly Challenge
My challenge, is to develop a strategic funding arrangement that set us up for the next century and not whittle away the 60b left from JK! Best on Ground This just became the third most loved tweet of all time - the sheer power of words to reach millions blows me away and makes me think of the reach and influence of accountants. Paul Meissner Grant Thornton: The main reasons people enjoyed working from home were the reduced commute time, having the flexibility to manage their own hours, reduced expenses, and having more time for exercise and family. The survey also showed 45 per cent of respondents had some discomfort about returning to the office. More than 60 per cent wanted to work both at home and in the office after reopening and only 9 per cent wanted to exclusively work in the office.
Leading in a work-from-home environment, Accountants are exactly the right kind of workers to thrive in a work-from-home environment. Good summary of the 4 challenges Worst on Ground Doe’s Paul’s latest Linked In “give the masses what they want” post actually hit the mark? Paul Meissner The Australian Comfort Group, which owns the SleepMaker and Dunlop Foams brands, delayed issuing invoices and the processing of customer orders in April, according to a source and documents seen by The Australian Financial Review.
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| 21. Accountants are the Real Heroes & The S in COSBOA | 28 May 2020 | 00:40:50 | |
NEW SEGMENT!!! With so much change afoot we're challenging our institutions and leaders to actually have the back of the small businesses they keep saying are the backbone of the economy. Paul Meissner: David Boyar:IR reform - We need actual representation of small business at the table so it's unions v big corporates Best on Ground Paul Meissner Staying in touch with staff remotely is super important and this is a great quiz. Good example of responding. Taking the mickey out of your boss isn’t grounds for dismissal apparently. BP dragged this out for 2 years and took it to the federal court. Just for offending management. A lot will be written about the future of work and the office. Online booking seems to be an obvious change. Not sure hotdesking dies in the end. Large commercial offices face a bigger test I feel. Trust the data, what do you need a human to check it for. There are never errors… Political fighting here is interesting. Treasury is separate to government, staffed with the same people (largely) irrespective to who’s in government. Government always blamed. David Boyar Accountants are the real heroes Peter the Great graces accountants Would David be this aggressive in app marketing? Or is it just something BGL can get away with? Worst on Ground Payroll is complex, errors bound to be made. Fair work found for the employee but hard to not see this go higher up the courts.
David Boyar Advocacy: Too Little too late? Does anyone know what EY is talking about? AI/ML Universities and job ready candidates
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| 20. MYOB Job Cuts, Death of "XX", Scotie Pippen & Excel | 21 May 2020 | 00:31:56 | |
Best on Ground Paul Meissner David Boyar
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David Boyar The Tax Institute threatened us with legal action instead of picking up the phone https://www.fromthetrenches.com.au/podcast/2020/5/12/live-with-ron-lesh-nat-lennon-and-lee-duffield Headline: Death of the Office - Copy: It’s too early to tell https://www.afr.com/work-and-careers/workplace/the-death-of-the-office-20200507-p54qm0 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | |||
| 44. Live! With Ron Lesh, Lee Duffield and Nat Lennon | 12 May 2020 | 01:28:46 | |
This is a live recording of our inaugural live web event. The chat box exploded as the audience interacted with this weeks show and with the awesome feedback we promise Trenches Live will be back soon. After the usual best and Worst BGL Founder and CEO Ron Lesh is taken of the Lesh and delivers his usual direct shot of reality into the debate amidst calls from the chat box for him to run for PM! Lee Duffield from All in Advisory and Nat Lennon from Two Sides Accounting, two brilliant public practitioners, join to answer the questions that matter from those in the trenches
News round up Best on Ground Accountants and Bookkeepers handling JobKeeper, cash boost, etc. Psychologist (client) story. Robyn Jacobson moves to the TIA. Interesting given this puts a tenacious advocate for taxpayers in to an organisation that has some clout. Could we see better advocacy from professional bodies?? Tax jokes in TV series. Schitts Creek (Netflix) very funny scene on trying to claim personal stuff as a business expense. David Boyar Early suggestions of tax reform - Nixing Consumption taxes the way GST intended Is the VCFOA back, great job and reframing different types of advice during a recession The DropBox Blog is beautiful. Relevant and Worst on Ground Professional bodies lack of real support during this time
David Boyar Small biz accountants not at the table in canberra and thats why everyone got stressed.
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| 20. Still Cray Cray but Ok | 01 May 2020 | 00:25:58 | |
Best on Ground Xero builds good stuff, quickly. Denmark has announced any companies registered in tax havens will not be eligible for state aid programmes during the pandemic “The government also said that companies which pay out dividends, buy back own shares or are registered in tax havens won’t be eligible for any of the aid programs, which now amount to a total of 400 billion kroner, when including loans and guarantees.”
David Boyar Quality lessons from GST Anthony Pratt’s Linked In nails it again - Long Term View https://www.linkedin.com/posts/anthonyjpratt_activity-6659961911041503232-JRQQ Security Matters: Mailchimp offering 10% to signing up to SSO https://mailchimp.com/help/set-up-a-two-factor-authentication-app-at-login/ Chartered Accountants moved an education and events business online and EVERYONE wins Worst on Ground Paul Meissner PWC cuts pay but not hours, then with the spare hours the staff were not given, they are forced to ‘volunteer’? Was it the same voluntary method used for the pay cut?? David Boyar The ATO has made JobKeeper so easy businesses are doing it themselves - When UX is too good. “If I get one more email about mental health I’ll lose my mind” David’s Dad See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | |||
| 19. Interview: Trent Innes | 29 Apr 2020 | 00:25:58 | |
In this Zoom recorded episode Trent Innes, Xero's head in Au and Asia talks about:-
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| 18. ATO Success, Mental Health & Bad Info Graphics | 24 Apr 2020 | 00:43:14 | |
Best on Ground Paul Meissner Great mental health guide shared by Nickie Sheehan ATO working miracles. For people who will whinge over the coming days and weeks, get over yourself.
David Boyar
Will we return to offices? Learn why you have this type of stress with James Ashford Real Collaboration v Fake collaboration
Paul Meissner Avalara list - Waste of time given all the actual accountants are too busy working Just for your amusement - HR Software selling tax advice. Opportunistic. David Boyar What did the 45% of firms who either increased business or stayed the same do differently to those who decreased business Some covid infographics make your understanding worse than before you see them
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| 12. Indepth: Hell Week | 21 Apr 2020 | 00:34:54 | |
Here's the breath of fresh air you need. A Classiv Paul Vs David - Is this Hell Week?
David Boyar - No!
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| 2. Death of Accountants Exemption | Economic Own Goals | Xero's state of the union | 14 Mar 2023 | 00:37:55 | |
This show was recorded in mid February but thanks to Dave being busy getting the ChangeGPS new TaxPlan Advanced product ready we had a delay getting it out. Oh how we long for the days 6 years ago when we'd record and publish in a 2 minute workflow.
Before we begin.....To The Xero's...https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7039489285565161472/ Best A very simple explanation about why we don’t know what to do in the current Australian Economy Australians head for their first endogenous shock in 30 years - MacroBusiness
Tips for Xero Roadshow for exhibitors and why we need an active ecosystem Xero Roadshow Playbook | App Partner Edition (letsjourney.com.au)
Worst Dext are determined to reinvent an accounting role Pre-Accounting: Why Small Businesses Can’t Ignore It - Dext Blog Death of the Accountants Exemption Michelle Levy advice review: Labor to ‘stress-test’ plan to overhaul financial advice (afr.com)
Xero State of the Union Report Take Aways Dave
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Dave's not so new Trench
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| 16. Bookys V Accountants & Big 4 Profiteers | 08 Apr 2020 | 00:27:24 | |
Best on Ground Paul Meissner Laneway Greens online Pivoted online. Busier and more profitable than ever. Staff costs and complexity and inflated rents have held businesses back. We come out of all this running different businesses.
Worst on Ground Paul Meissner Federal Government Jobkeeper legislation by press release. I’m sick of it. Legislation released that basically says the Treasurer and the ATO Commissioner have to sort it out. Massive section on schemes though. Up to 10 years Jail!! Big 4 swindle: KPMG cutting staff pay, but not their hours. Wait, what? https://www.ft.com/content/65d8e851-5e33-4a2d-a814-a4c27f949dd3?sharetype=blocked David Boyar Bookkeepers still promoting a rivalry with accountants as the fight over who owns BAS and payroll gets ugly. Get rid of it please, we don’t need your insecurities in the client relationship See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | |||
| 14. How are you? | 07 Apr 2020 | 00:24:27 | |
This episode is a personal reflection on what the Accounting industry is going through at the moment. Accountants are handling a mountain of client queries and every day seems like an avalanche of emotional conversations with clients. It’s stretched many accountants and bookkeepers to the limits both physically and emotionally. In this episode, Paul & David share what their last few weeks have been like, celebrate the tremendous efforts the industry has gone to look after each other and what we are focusing on. We are all in this together and by looking after each other we’ll carry our clients through this. Paul Meissner
David Boyar
What are/can we focus on Paul Meissner
David Boyar
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| 13. Compliance is King. | 03 Apr 2020 | 00:32:21 | |
BEST ON GROUND Paul Meissner
David Boyar
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| 13. Stimulus Response w/ insolvency expert Dom Calabretta, MackayGoodwin. | 26 Mar 2020 | 00:30:16 | |
This interview with Mackay Goodwin founder Dom Calabretta gives you expert insight into retail, restaurants and key things accountants need to know before tipping a company into liquidation or voluntary administration.
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| 11. Practical COVID-19 Advice, BDM's for Firms, KPMG Cheaters | 20 Mar 2020 | 00:33:36 | |
Thanks for waiting as Paul and David co-ordinated their COVID-19 responses to clients over the week. This episode was recorded Week ended 6 March, don't worry we'll get up to date next week! BEST ON GROUND Paul Meissner
David Boyar
WORST ON GROUND Paul Meissner
David Boyar
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| 10. Indepth: 6 Ways We'd Stimulate Your Economy | 05 Mar 2020 | 00:21:46 | |
David Boyar
Paul Meissner
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| 10. Toilet Paper Deductibility, Superman's Tech & The Corporate Credit Card is Back | 05 Mar 2020 | 00:37:35 | |
BEST ON GROUND David Boyar
Paul Meissner
WORST ON GROUND David Boyar
Paul Meissner
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| 9. Interview: Wealth is Growing Faster Than Accounting with Malcom Stewart | 27 Feb 2020 | 00:16:23 | |
In this special episode David interviews Malcolm Stewart from MJS Business & Financial Services. Malcolm met David at the Perth Xero Roadshow and asked to be on the podcast. Turns out we’re in the business of making dreams come true. In this episode you will learn:
Old school targeted marketing. A paper solution to a digital problem. www.sendhandwritten.com.au About Us From the Trenches is brought to you by Paul Meissner from Freedom Mentoring and David Boyar from Change GPS. Proudly sponsored by BGL and The Outsourced Accountant. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. | |||
| 8. 3 Xero Best on Grounds | 27 Feb 2020 | 00:35:01 | |
BEST ON GROUND David Boyar
Paul Meissner
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Paul Meissner
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| 7. Breaking up with Auskey | 20 Feb 2020 | 00:27:27 | |
BEST ON GROUND David Boyar
Paul Meissner
WORST ON GROUND David Boyar
Paul Meissner
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| 1. What are going to see in '23? | 01 Feb 2023 | 00:38:15 | |
While the entire world changes in response to war, inflation, the Covid Era work habits that are sticking round and Jim Chalmers attempt to alter the course of capitalism, our pertinacious host Paul Meissner proudly declares that TECH WILL NOT CHANGE (even though he knows ChangeGPS will drop 3 new products this year)!
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| 6. Excel is Your Superhero | 13 Feb 2020 | 00:29:09 | |
BEST ON GROUND David Boyar
Paul Meissner
WORST ON GROUND David Boyar
Paul Meissner
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| 5. Community First | 06 Feb 2020 | 00:42:16 | |
BEST ON GROUND David Boyar
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| 4. Indepth : Advice To My Younger Self | 28 Jan 2020 | 00:22:32 | |
Paul Meissner
David Boyar
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| 3. The Russian Experiment | 24 Jan 2020 | 00:33:29 | |
BEST ON GROUND Paul Meissner
David Boyar
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