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Curiouser & Curiouser is a podcast for leaders, builders, and curious minds navigating AI, GenAI safety, and governance in a rapidly changing world.
Produced by Alice, the enterprise trust, safety, and security platform for the AI era, the show draws on frontline adversarial intelligence to explore how AI systems are stress-tested, red-teamed, governed, and protected across their lifecycle.
Each episode looks at how AI is actually showing up in the real world, how organizations evaluate it, where it breaks, and what it takes to build systems people can trust.
We cut through hype and fear to explore how AI shapes trust, decision-making, and real-world work, one rabbit hole at a time.
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Website: https://alice.io
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Alice.io.advance.unafraid
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🇫🇷 France - technology
25/05/2026#95
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The Problem With AI Observability Nobody Wants To Admit
Season 1 · Episode 8
lundi 18 mai 2026 • Duration 54:01
In this episode of Curiouser & Curiouser, Mo sits down with Alison Cossette, Founder and CEO of ClariTrace, to talk about why your enterprise AI is moving faster than your visibility into it and what to actually do about it. They get into control native AI, why observability and traceability aren't optional anymore, and what leaders need to put in place before something goes wrong.
🔗 Podcast: https://alice.io/podcast
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What Does It Actually Take to Build Unbiased AI?
Season 1 · Episode 7
lundi 4 mai 2026 • Duration 55:25
Tennisha Martin has five master's degrees, a doctorate in progress, founded one of the most important communities in cybersecurity, and will be the first to tell you that none of it mattered until she stopped trying to do it alone. In this episode, Mo and Tennisha get into AI bias, why the systems being built today are only as good as the people building them, and what it actually takes to break into a field that wasn't designed for everyone.
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AI Governance Needs a Dungeon Master
Season 1 · Episode 6
mardi 21 avril 2026 • Duration 56:18
David Wendt spent 30 years building models for Fortune 100 companies before stepping away from the keyboard entirely to focus on AI governance. He also happens to be a Dungeon Master, and it turns out those two things have more in common than you'd think.
Mo and David get into red teaming, what good metrics look like in a probabilistic system, why you should probably stop measuring AI and start measuring outcomes, and what we actually owe the workers whose roles are being quietly restructured.
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Your LLM Has No Idea What It's Doing
Season 1 · Episode 5
lundi 6 avril 2026 • Duration 47:51
Diana Kelley has spent four decades in security watching AI go from a Dartmouth conference to an avalanche. Now CISO at Noma Security, she joins Mo to break down why the LLM is not your guardrail, why agentic AI is exposing hygiene debt you already knew you had, and why misplaced trust in these systems is the real vulnerability.
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Resilience by Design: Inside Estonia's Digital Nation
Season 1 · Episode 4
jeudi 19 mars 2026 • Duration 46:20
Most countries talk about digital trust. Estonia built it into the architecture.
Joseph Carson, Chief Security Evangelist and Advisory CISO at Segura, has spent 23 years living through Estonia's digital transformation from the inside. In this episode, he and Mo get into what it actually takes to engineer trust at a national scale, what went wrong along the way, and why the lessons from a small Baltic nation matter more than ever right now.
Joseph also previews his talk at RSA Conference 2026, "From Cyber War to a Digital Nation: Estonia's Playbook for Resilience."
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Building AI We Can Actually Trust
Season 1 · Episode 3
lundi 9 mars 2026 • Duration 53:35
AI governance sounds straightforward until you try to actually do it.
In this episode, Mo talks with Laura Powell, Senior Director of Partnerships at LatticeFlow AI, about the messy reality of building AI systems organizations can actually trust. They discuss translating responsible AI principles into technical controls, why many systems never make it into production, and how teams should think about risk as agentic AI systems become more common.
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Securing Agentic AI: The OWASP Approach
Season 1 · Episode 2
mardi 24 février 2026 • Duration 44:28
Agentic AI is moving fast. So are the risks.
Mo talks with Steve Wilson (Chief AI and Product Officer at Exabeam and Founder and Co-chair of the OWASP GenAI Security Project) about OWASP’s approach to agentic AI security, including prompt injection, guardrails, and what it means to keep humans in the loop as agents scale.
🔗 OWASP GenAI Project: https://genai.owasp.org
📘 The Developer’s Playbook for Large Language Model Security (O’Reilly): https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/the-developers-playbook/9781098162191/
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Making Sense of AI: Trust, Scale, and the Human Role
Season 1 · Episode 1
mardi 10 février 2026 • Duration 46:41
AI is moving fast, but good judgment still takes time. In this premiere episode, Mo Sadek and Julie Tsai explore AI, security, and why curiosity and human perspective still matter as technology scales.
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