This week, Kenton sits down to talk to Jay Whiting at Everest Base Camp. Jay is not a professional climber or a professional athlete - he is a full-time solicitor in London - yet when this episode was recorded, he was preparing to take on an enormous Himalayan challenge.

Jay talks to Kenton about his dreams of achieving the Everest Triple Crown this year - climbing Everest, Lhotse and Nuptse in one season. Only two people have ever done this to date - our host Kenton, and another professional mountaineer, Garrett Madison. Jay lives in Essex, which is not well-known for its mountainous terrain, and has spent hours and hours on a stair-master in training.

Listen now to find out how Jay got on and if you find his story inspiring, please consider donating to his chosen charity, LandAid. 

Donation link: www.gofund.m/2db7fee9

What Jay's Reading: Wisdom of Insecurity by Adam Watts

What Jay's Listening To: David Goggins playlist, and Oasis

In this special episode, Kenton interviews Karl Egloff at Everest Base Camp as they both prepare for their Everest expeditions.

Karl is an extreme mountaineer, mountain guide, runner and speed climber with a host of impressive Fastest Known Times (FKTs) to his name. Later this month, he is aiming to become the fastest person to move from Basecamp to the Summit and back to Basecamp with no oxygen. Not something for the faint-hearted!

There is no doubt that Karl has the experience to do this - he talks Kenton through a potted history with great energy and enthusiasm, which includes him mentioning in passing that he summited Kilimanjaro six times in one week! Tune in now to be entertained and inspired...

Karl's book choice: Into Thin Air by Jon Krakauer

Karl's music choice: "Soft" Latino music

It's the first episode of 2025 and we have a spectacular Tales from the Trails (TFTT) for you! Kenton recorded this whilst he was trekking to Everest Base Camp in November and it is the perfect way to brighten up a cold January day. 

Kenton shares colourful descriptions of the people, valleys, rivers, views, animals and landmarks that he passes as he treks from Namche Bazaar to Everest Base Camp with a small team of trekkers. From the evocative sounds of prayer wheels to the rushing of rivers and the breathlessness of hiking at altitude, you will get a real taste of life in the Khumbu Valley and we hope that it will set your tastebuds tingling for the adventures that lie ahead in 2025!

Jon is a high altitude expedition guide & UK mountaineering and climbing instructor; he has organised, climbed, guided and summited mountains on over 80+ major expeditions – including organising and leading the current world speed record for the 7-summits!

In this episode, Jon shares valuable learnings from the mountains and epic stories from his many years leading expeditions. Enjoy.

To say that @Kentoncool and Dave cover a variety of topics in this episode would be an understatement. From cool dudes and inspiring quotes to epic winter summits and falling in love with an Octopus(!), this episode has it all.

We hope you enjoy the conversation.

KC & DC

"Adults are just outdated children”

Back for 2021, in this week's episode of Cool Conversations, Kenton sits down with his daughter, Saffron.

As parents across the UK adjust to home-schooling again, Saffron turns the tables on KC and gives him a lesson on how and why children are going to change the world!

Quote by Dr Seuss.

With 2020 drawing to a close, @Kentoncool and Dave reflect on an unforgettable year and Kenton shares his learnings from a recent trip to Nepal.

The guys also talk ethical & sustainable businesses, big mountain summit attempts, new year's resolutions and much more. In short, this episode has it all!

Come with @kentoncool as he and his client attempt to climb Ama Dablam in Nepal. Good times, high winds and moments of reflection, this episode of Cool Conversations has it all.

The Charikot Panorama Resort is located 5 hrs from Kathmandu. At 2000 metres, the hotel offers breath-taking views and Swiss cuisine.

In this episode of Cool Conversations, @kentoncool sits down with the owner of the resort, Susie Thapa who shares her unique story and why she is always drawn back to the high hills in the Himalayas.

To learn more about The Charikot Panorama Resort, the resort is @charikotpanoramaresort on Instagram and Susie is @_susanna_banana.

Kenton sits down with doctor, and expedition leader, Dr Nima to talk about the country they love, Nepal.

In this episode of Cool Conversations, Dr Nima tells Kenton about the projects he's working on and his hopes for a prosperous post-pandemic Nepal.

Join the journey, follow @kentoncool on Instagram.

In the latest episode of 'Tales From The Trails', @kentoncool treks through the Khumbu and up to the village of Chukhung. On route, Kenton stops at a memorial that honours the 'Lhotse South Face Heroes'.

An emotional podcast, this one is not to be missed.

In the latest episode of ‘Tails From The Trails, fly with Kenton from Kathmandu to the famous, Tenzing–Hillary Airport, also known as 'Lukla Airport' as he continues his adventures in Nepal.

Follow the journey on Instagram, Kenton is @kentoncool.

Join Kenton Cool as he watches the sunrise high up in the mountains of the Himalayas, and follow the journey on Instagram. Kenton is @kentoncool.

Whilst trekking in the Khumbu region recently, Kenton bumped into 'super guide' Lakpa Rita Sherpa, and took the opportunity to interview him for the podcast. Lakpa Rita was born in Thame, a small village high in the Himalayas, and followed in his father's footsteps becoming a mountain guide and Sirdar.

Lakpa Rita has lived in Seattle since 2000 and has led multiple expeditions all over the world. He first summited Everest in 1990 and has stood atop the world's highest mountain 17 times. Lakpa Rita now runs his own guiding company, Khangri Experience, and personally prefers to climb 'smaller' mountains these days, as well as leading treks in Nepal, the USA and elsewhere.

Kenton learns things about Lakpa Rita that he didn't know during this conversation, so we're sure that you will too. Enjoy!

Follow Kenton on Instagram: @kentoncool

Follow Lakpa Rita on Instagram: @lrsherpa

Find Lakpa Rita's guiding company here: www.khangriexperience.com

Join @kentoncool for "Tales from the Trails", a collection of meditative observations and sounds from a country he loves; from the foothills of the Himalayas to the top of the world's tallest mountains.

Tales from the Trails might just be the perfect way to escape from the rat-race and the trials and tribulations of 2020.

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Come on a journey; from the foothills of the Himalayas to the top of the world's tallest mountains. 

Join @kentoncool for "Tales from the Trails", a collection of meditative observations and sounds from a country he loves. 

This might just be the perfect way to escape from the rat-race and the trials and tribulations of 2020.

@kentoncool

@thecoolconversations

From the foothills of the Himalayas to the top of the world's tallest mountains. Escape, and come on a journey with @kentoncool.

Meditative observations and sounds from a country he loves; "Tales from the Trails" might just be the perfect way to escape from the rat-race and the trials and tribulations of 2020.

@kentoncool

@thecoolconversations

Escape and come on a journey with Kenton Cool as he takes you from the foothills of the Himalayas to the very top of some of the world's tallest mountains.

Meditative observations and sounds from a country he loves; "Tales from the Trails" might just be the perfect way to escape from the rat-race and the trials and tribulations of 2020.

@kentoncool

@thecoolconversations

Introducing "Tales from the Trails"

Escape and come on a journey with Kenton Cool as he takes you from the foothills of the Himalayas to the very top of some of the world's tallest mountains.

Meditative observations and sounds from a country he loves; "Tales from the Trails" might just be the perfect way to escape from the rat-race and the trials and tribulations of 2020.

@kentoncool/

@thecoolobservations

Kenton's back in Kathmandu after a short expedition into the Khumbu region of Nepal.

In this episode, Kenton tells Dave why it's great to be back in Nepal, the challenges the country is facing and why Kenton's expedition plans are having to change on an almost daily basis.

Kenton also shares the things he has learnt on expeditions that he deployed when navigating the lockdown in Spring, and that he believes might help you and me as England goes into another lockdown.

Follow the journey on Instagram:

@kentoncool

@thecoolconversations

Expeditions, the first summit of a Nepalese 6000 metre peak this year, and the new Land Rover Defender 90.

In this episode, Kenton and Dave catch up on the last fortnight, and Kenton has some good news! Plus, there are some awesome ‘Cool Kids’ nominations and Kenton answers your questions.

To learn more, follow @kentoncool and @thecoolconversations on Instagram.

Show notes:

20:24  Susanne’s question answered

29:31 Harvo’s question answered

37:19 - Pat’s question answered

41:44 - TNL’s question answered

47:37 - An anonymous question answered

49:21 - Alex’s question answered

57:10 - Cool Kids

Husband, father, businessman and athlete; Greg Nieuwenhuys is the only Dutchman to climb, and then ski down, the sixth highest mountain in the world, Cho Oyu.

He’s competed in the ‘Alternatieve Elfstedentocht’ a 200KM ice-skating competition, the world-famous ‘Ultra Trail Du Mont Blanc’ (UTMB) and completed the Bob Graham Round in under 24hrs earlier this year.

In this episode, Kenton and Greg discuss business culture, why the best leaders focus on their teams, striking the perfect work/life balance and why it’s always OK to say you aren’t OK.

This episode of Cool Conversations has it all, fun, fitness, and family.

Show notes:

00:05 – Meet Greg Nieuwenhuys

04:15 – Greg on the benefits of running

06:52 – Greg on why a company’s culture matters

10:01 – Greg on the value of making mistakes

11:22 – Greg on being the under-dog and loving it

11:58 – Greg on climbing Cho Oyu

16:25 – Greg on why the best business leaders focus on their people

18:20 – Greg on reaching the summit of Cho Oyu, and skiing down it

27:07 – Greg on the last 8 months, and lockdown life

30:54 – Greg on running the Bob Graham Round in the Lake District

34:29 – Greg on the importance of getting the work/life balance right

44:33 – Greg on what he’s working on, and his plans for the future.

Kenton and Dave talk about their shared love for the new documentary, TransAmericana, from Rickey Gates and Salomon.

TransAmericana documents those things that Rickey observed and learnt about himself, America, and the people who live in the USA when he ran the 3700 miles from South Carolina to San Francisco in 2017.

Kenton and Dave also talk about Neil Gresham's awesome ascent of the Iron Crag in the Lake District to create 'Final Score' E10 7a and Kenton answers some of your questions.

#getitdone

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Kenton Cool is joined by climber, alpinist and Patagonia athlete Matt Helliker for a cool conversation.

Melissa Arnot is a mountain guide, Everest summiteer, adventurer and co-founder of The Juniper Fund. More recently, she has taken up ultra-running and in this episode of Cool Conversations, Kenton talks to her about her experiences in the 450km Tor des Glaciers race a few months ago.

Melissa didn't finish the race and has taken a lot of learnings from her unfortunate DNF. She continued for far longer than many of us would believe possible yet still struggled to process her 'failure' for several weeks afterwards.

This is the second time that Melissa has been on the pod, and we think you will quickly understand why she is welcome anytime!

Kenton Cool's guest this week on Cool Conversations grew up in a refugee camp in Jordan.....in 2008 he was knighted by the King of Jordan!! This is Mostafa Salameh's story!

Kenton Cool is joined this week by ultra trail runner Guy Ilott for another Cool Conversation!

Kenton Cool is joined by award-winning photographer and international mountain guide Mark Fisher for a Cool Conversation!

Kenton Cool is joined this week by IFMGA mountain guide and alpinist Jon Bracey

Kenton is joined by CEO & founder of Tusk Trust, Charlie Mayhew MBE, for a Cool Conversation.

It's time for Kenton Cool to have a Cool Conversation with three-time Olympic champion rower Lt Cdr Pete Reed OBE

Joby Ogwyn is this week's special guest for Cool Conversations with Kenton Cool. He is world-renowned for his prowess as an adventurer, high-altitude mountain climber, BASE jumper, and wing-suit explorer

To enter this week's FATMAP competition for a 12 month subscription, head to my Facebook page and SHARE the video version of this episode and TAG two friends in the COMMENTS below! (Draw takes place on 16/7 at 18:00pm).

My Facebook Page: facebook.com/KentonCool About FATMAP: fatmap.com

Double Olympic winning and multiple world champion rower Alex Gregory MBE about his epic record breaking Arctic Row on Cool Conversations with Kenton Cool

Introducing Cool Conversations with Kenton Cool! Every Thursday, legendary adventurer and mountaineer Kenton Cool chats with one of his inspiration friends such as Ant Middleton, Victoria Pendleton CBE and Nirmal Purja (Nims Dai).

Get ready for stories about Everest, mountaineering and adventuring as well as tips on motivation and well-being.

Kenton Cool is one of the world’s leading high-altitude climbers and also a highly engaging and inspiring motivational speaker. He has successfully climbed Mount Everest fourteen times. Kenton was first introduced to mountaineering when he read about Hillary and Norgay’s first ascent on Mount Everest in 1953.

Kenton Cool is ready to hear some wisdom from Sophie Radcliffe (Challenge Sophie) and her work with her own start up project Trail Blazers.....only on Cool Conversations!

Introducing Cool Conversations with Kenton Cool! Every Thursday, legendary adventurer and mountaineer Kenton Cool chats with one of his inspiration friends such as Ant Middleton, Victoria Pendleton CBE and Nirmal Purja (Nims Dai).

Get ready for stories about Everest, mountaineering and adventuring as well as tips on motivation and well-being.

Kenton Cool is one of the world’s leading high-altitude climbers and also a highly engaging and inspiring motivational speaker. He has successfully climbed Mount Everest fourteen times. Kenton was first introduced to mountaineering when he read about Hillary and Norgay’s first ascent on Mount Everest in 1953.

This episode of Cool Conversations is a very special one because Kenton sits down with his close friend and Number One Sherpa, Dorjee Gyelzen.

Dorjee grew up in Pangboche, Nepal which sits at 4,000m altitude. Life in the high Himalayas is challenging, but through hard work and commitment Dorjee has forged a career in mountaineering and Kenton rates him as one of the best!

Dorjee has climbed Mount Everest 23 times and he has summited Ama Dablam (his favourite mountain) an astonishing 27 times.

Listen now to hear about Dorjee's childhood and his journey into mountaineering, and to learn about his Buddhist faith and his deep love and sense of responsibility for his family.

Kenton Cool is joined by the incredible Ben Saunders for a Cool Conversation! He's one of the world’s leading polar explorers, and a record-breaking long-distance skier who has covered more than 7,000km (4,350 miles) on foot in the Polar Regions since 2001.

Introducing Cool Conversations with Kenton Cool! Every Thursday, legendary adventurer and mountaineer Kenton Cool chats with one of his inspiration friends such as Ant Middleton, Victoria Pendleton CBE and Nirmal Purja (Nims Dai).

Get ready for stories about Everest, mountaineering and adventuring as well as tips on motivation and well-being.

Kenton Cool is one of the world’s leading high-altitude climbers and also a highly engaging and inspiring motivational speaker. He has successfully climbed Mount Everest fourteen times. Kenton was first introduced to mountaineering when he read about Hillary and Norgay’s first ascent on Mount Everest in 1953.

This week's guest is award-winning photographer Martin Hartley. He is the Director of Photography for Sidetracked Magazine, the co-author of Face to Face, a The Sunday Times Magazine book of the week, and has worked with clients including NASA, WWF and The North Face. 

Introducing Cool Conversations with Kenton Cool! Every Thursday, legendary adventurer and mountaineer Kenton Cool chats with one of his inspiration friends such as Ant Middleton, Victoria Pendleton CBE and Nirmal Purja (Nims Dai).

Get ready for stories about Everest, mountaineering and adventuring as well as tips on motivation and well-being.

Kenton Cool is one of the world’s leading high-altitude climbers and also a highly engaging and inspiring motivational speaker. He has successfully climbed Mount Everest fourteen times. Kenton was first introduced to mountaineering when he read about Hillary and Norgay’s first ascent on Mount Everest in 1953.

Kenton Cool is joined by extreme endurance adventurer Sean Conway for a Cool Conversation all about his career.

Introducing Cool Conversations with Kenton Cool! Every Thursday, legendary adventurer and mountaineer Kenton Cool chats with one of his inspiration friends such as Ant Middleton, Victoria Pendleton CBE and Nirmal Purja (Nims Dai).

Get ready for stories about Everest, mountaineering and adventuring as well as tips on motivation and well-being.

Kenton Cool is one of the world’s leading high-altitude climbers and also a highly engaging and inspiring motivational speaker. He has successfully climbed Mount Everest fourteen times. Kenton was first introduced to mountaineering when he read about Hillary and Norgay’s first ascent on Mount Everest in 1953.

Kenton Cool is joined by American rock climber, mountaineer, and author Conrad Anker for a cool conversation about his career.

Introducing Cool Conversations with Kenton Cool! Every Thursday, legendary adventurer and mountaineer Kenton Cool chats with one of his inspiration friends such as Ant Middleton, Victoria Pendleton CBE and Nirmal Purja (Nims Dai).

Get ready for stories about Everest, mountaineering and adventuring as well as tips on motivation and well-being.

Kenton Cool is one of the world’s leading high-altitude climbers and also a highly engaging and inspiring motivational speaker. He has successfully climbed Mount Everest fourteen times. Kenton was first introduced to mountaineering when he read about Hillary and Norgay’s first ascent on Mount Everest in 1953.

It's time for this week’s episode of Cool Conversations with Kenton Cool! Today Kenton's joined by David Millar, former pro cyclist, style icon and founder of apparel brand CHPT3. Daniel is a chap who is great at articulating the important things in life- this will be a conversation not to be missed.

Introducing Cool Conversations with Kenton Cool! Every Thursday, legendary adventurer and mountaineer Kenton Cool chats with one of his inspiration friends such as Ant Middleton, Victoria Pendleton CBE and Nirmal Purja (Nims Dai).

Get ready for stories about Everest, mountaineering and adventuring as well as tips on motivation and well-being.

Kenton Cool is one of the world’s leading high-altitude climbers and also a highly engaging and inspiring motivational speaker. He has successfully climbed Mount Everest fourteen times. Kenton was first introduced to mountaineering when he read about Hillary and Norgay’s first ascent on Mount Everest in 1953.

Tune in THURSDAY at 6PM for another live streamed episode of Cool Conversations with Kenton Cool! This week Kenton will be joined by mountaineer and author of Touching the Void, Joe Simpson!

Introducing Cool Conversations with Kenton Cool! Every Thursday, legendary adventurer and mountaineer Kenton Cool chats with one of his inspiration friends such as Ant Middleton, Victoria Pendleton CBE and Nirmal Purja (Nims Dai).

Get ready for stories about Everest, mountaineering and adventuring as well as tips on motivation and well-being.

Kenton Cool is one of the world’s leading high-altitude climbers and also a highly engaging and inspiring motivational speaker. He has successfully climbed Mount Everest fourteen times. Kenton was first introduced to mountaineering when he read about Hillary and Norgay’s first ascent on Mount Everest in 1953.

Two-time Olympic gold medallist and former World, European and Commonwealth champion cyclist Victoria Pendleton CBE has a Cool Conversation with Kenton Cool all about lockdown, gardening, being an adventurer and on Celebrity SAS: Who Dares Wins and her expedition with Kenton and Ben Fogle to Mount Everest.

Introducing Cool Conversations with Kenton Cool! Every Thursday, legendary adventurer and mountaineer Kenton Cool chats with one of his inspiration friends such as Ant Middleton, Victoria Pendleton CBE and Nirmal Purja (Nims Dai).

Get ready for stories about Everest, mountaineering and adventuring as well as tips on motivation and well-being.

Kenton Cool is one of the world’s leading high-altitude climbers and also a highly engaging and inspiring motivational speaker. He has successfully climbed Mount Everest fourteen times. Kenton was first introduced to mountaineering when he read about Hillary and Norgay’s first ascent on Mount Everest in 1953.

Melissa Arnot Reid, the first American woman to ascend and descend Everest without oxygen, joins Kenton Cool to talk all about Everest, her career and how motherhood has affected her career.

Introducing Cool Conversations with Kenton Cool! Every Thursday, legendary adventurer and mountaineer Kenton Cool chats with one of his inspiration friends such as Ant Middleton, Victoria Pendleton CBE and Nirmal Purja (Nims Dai).

Get ready for stories about Everest, mountaineering and adventuring as well as tips on motivation and well-being.

Kenton Cool is one of the world’s leading high-altitude climbers and also a highly engaging and inspiring motivational speaker. He has successfully climbed Mount Everest fourteen times. Kenton was first introduced to mountaineering when he read about Hillary and Norgay’s first ascent on Mount Everest in 1953.

Ant Middleton, star of SAS: Who Dares Wins and Celebrity SAS, joins Kenton Cool to talk all about Everest, his career and what they find motivational.

Introducing Cool Conversations with Kenton Cool! Every Thursday, legendary adventurer and mountaineer Kenton Cool chats with one of his inspiration friends such as Ant Middleton, Victoria Pendleton CBE and Nirmal Purja (Nims Dai).

Get ready for stories about Everest, mountaineering and adventuring as well as tips on motivation and well-being.

Kenton Cool is one of the world’s leading high-altitude climbers and also a highly engaging and inspiring motivational speaker. He has successfully climbed Mount Everest fourteen times. Kenton was first introduced to mountaineering when he read about Hillary and Norgay’s first ascent on Mount Everest in 1953.

It's Cool Conversations with Kenton Cool with special guest legendary Nepalese mountaineer Nirmal Purja MBE, also known as @Nims Dai (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRQ8Kjwfh2YH4L-NpqmU8GA) , who famously climbed the 14 highest mountains in just SIX months!  🏔🏔🏔

Introducing Cool Conversations with Kenton Cool! Every Thursday, legendary adventurer and mountaineer Kenton Cool chats with one of his inspiration friends such as Ant Middleton, Victoria Pendleton CBE and Nirmal Purja (Nims Dai).

Get ready for stories about Everest, mountaineering and adventuring as well as tips on motivation and well-being.

Kenton Cool is one of the world’s leading high-altitude climbers and also a highly engaging and inspiring motivational speaker. He has successfully climbed Mount Everest fourteen times. Kenton was first introduced to mountaineering when he read about Hillary and Norgay’s first ascent on Mount Everest in 1953.

This week, we welcome rugby legend, Lewis Moody, to Cool Conversations! Lewis was a member of the 2003 World Cup winning England rugby squad and he amassed 71 caps for England during his career. Lewis talks to Kenton fresh from a 2003 team reunion, which, we learn, do not happen very regularly at all!

Lewis talks quite openly about the stigma that was attached to showing vulnerability or weakness in his early days as a player and how he now recognises that it is so important to take the time to ask how someone is, or to ask for help. He now runs a successful coaching business and borrows many lessons from his playing days when working with executives.

Lewis tells Kenton about The Lewis Moody Foundation which raises money for the Brain Tumour Charity, and about his love for difficult physical challenges.

It's a good one, we hope you enjoy it!

Love climbing? Love the outdoors? Join British record holding mountaineer and adventurer Kenton Cool every Thursday at 6pm as he chats with Barn Theatre Artistic Director Iwan Lewis in a 30 minute episode filled with amazing stories, including his 14 climbs to Mount Everest’s summit!

Introducing Cool Conversations with Kenton Cool! Every Thursday, legendary adventurer and mountaineer Kenton Cool chats with one of his inspiration friends such as Ant Middleton, Victoria Pendleton CBE and Nirmal Purja (Nims Dai).

Get ready for stories about Everest, mountaineering and adventuring as well as tips on motivation and well-being.

Kenton Cool is one of the world’s leading high-altitude climbers and also a highly engaging and inspiring motivational speaker. He has successfully climbed Mount Everest fourteen times. Kenton was first introduced to mountaineering when he read about Hillary and Norgay’s first ascent on Mount Everest in 1953.

Love climbing? Love the outdoors? Join British record holding mountaineer and adventurer Kenton Cool every Thursday at 6pm as he chats with Barn Theatre Artistic Director Iwan Lewis in a 30 minute episode filled with amazing stories, including his 14 climbs to Mount Everest’s summit!

Introducing Cool Conversations with Kenton Cool! Every Thursday, legendary adventurer and mountaineer Kenton Cool chats with one of his inspiration friends such as Ant Middleton, Victoria Pendleton CBE and Nirmal Purja (Nims Dai).

Get ready for stories about Everest, mountaineering and adventuring as well as tips on motivation and well-being.

Kenton Cool is one of the world’s leading high-altitude climbers and also a highly engaging and inspiring motivational speaker. He has successfully climbed Mount Everest fourteen times. Kenton was first introduced to mountaineering when he read about Hillary and Norgay’s first ascent on Mount Everest in 1953.

This week, Kenton talks to Sequoia Schmidt who is a remarkable business woman, climber, base-jumper, author and philanthropist.

Sequoia started her business at 17 years old after an 'unstable' childhood that she discusses with Kenton. After nearly 20 years, she has now taken herself back to school and is fully embracing the Global Executive Leadership course at Yale, sharing her own experiences of running a company with her peers and learning a huge amount from each of them too.

Sequoia talks very openly about the tough times she has experienced in her life and how she uses her strength, learnt from her late father, to navigate through these times.

This is an emotionally charged conversation, and one that has both Sequoia and Kenton. in tears at one point, so be prepared!