Work For Humans – Détails, épisodes et analyse

Stacy Barton was assigned an exhaustive project at 9 pm and had to complete it by 6 am if she wanted to receive a paycheck. While most of us would have deflated under the pressure, Stacy saw an opportunity; it was time to get creative. By being inventive and working around the rules, she learned how to deliver a product that companies, employees, and her audience love. In this revisited episode, Stacy shares how constraints spark creativity, why the audience is always the star, and how storytelling can transform leadership, teamwork, and workplace culture.

Stacy has been creating multimillion-dollar immersive experiences for over 37 years as a designer, award-winning writer, and story lead. She uses her creativity to work with high-network individuals and companies like Disney, Ringling Bros, DreamVision, and SeaWorld, among others.

In this episode, Dart and Stacy discuss:
- Creating an immersive experience to engage customers
- How to show your customers/employees you care about them
- Discovering the story behind your brand
- Finding employees that complement your company
- The importance of appreciation at work
- Applying storytelling to real-world business problems
- Being creative within the constraints of work
- And more…

Stacy Barton has been creating immersive experiences as a designer, writer, and story lead for over 37 years. Utilizing immense creativity and problem-solving skills, she helps build multimillion-dollar pop-up experiences, escape rooms, shows, and theme park areas for high-network individuals and companies, including Disney, Ringling Bros, DreamVision, and SeaWorld.

As a writer, Stacy brings stories to life through her scripts, narrative development, and novels. She is the award-winning author of three books, five children’s picture books, and over 30 magazine publications. She presented as a panelist for the National Association of Writers and Writing Program and is a speaker for events such as the F. Scott Fitzgerald Literary Conference and the Disney Institute.

Resources Mentioned:
Why We Work, by Barry Schwartz: https://www.amazon.com/Why-We-Work-Barry-Schwartz/dp/144237814X

Connect with Stacy:
Website: https://www.stacybarton.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stacy-barton-58b7997/
Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Stacy-Barton/author/B001JS4R6A

Work with Dart:
Dart is the CEO and co-founder of the work design firm 11fold. Build work that makes employees feel alive, connected to their work, and focused on what’s most important to the business. Book a call at 11fold.com.

Modern work is haunted by an idea that began in feudal Europe. The Master Servant Doctrine gave employers the right to command and control workers while imposing a duty to provide for them. That ancient logic still shapes the modern workplace — from “at-will” employment and HR policies designed to protect companies, to benefits that bind people to their jobs. In this episode, Dart and Elizabeth explore how feudal ideas of control and obligation still structure employment today, and what it would take to build something better.

Elizabeth Tippett teaches employment law and legal ethics at the University of Oregon School of Law. She is the author of The Master Servant Doctrine, and her research examines how historical legal frameworks continue to influence the modern workplace.

In this episode, Dart and Elizabeth discuss:
- How feudal law still shapes modern work
- The three pillars of the Master Servant Doctrine
- Why “at-will” employment persists in the U.S.
- How HR became a modern tool of control
- Why employee benefits reinforce dependency
- The moral legacy of servitude in labor law
- How law and culture preserve inequality at work
- What a modern social contract for labor might look like
- And other topics…

Elizabeth Tippett is Professor and James O. and Alfred T. Goodwin Senior Fellow at the University of Oregon School of Law. She teaches courses on employment law, torts, negotiation, and dispute resolution, and her research examines how historical legal doctrines continue to shape modern employment practices. She is the author of The Master Servant Doctrine: How Old Legal Rules Haunt the Modern Workplace, forthcoming from Stanford University Press in 2025.

Resources Mentioned:
The Master–Servant Doctrine: How Old Legal Rules Haunt the Modern Workplace, by Elizabeth Tippett: https://www.amazon.com/Master-Servant-Doctrine-Legal-Modern-Workplace/dp/0520382323

Connect with Elizabeth:
Website: https://liztippett.com 

Work with Dart:
Dart is the CEO and co-founder of the work design firm 11fold. Build work that makes employees feel alive, connected to their work, and focused on what’s most important to the business. Book a call at 11fold.com.

The germ theory of disease is one of the greatest breakthroughs in human history. But it took more than 2,000 years of false starts and resistance before medicine finally recognized that germs cause disease. In his book Germ Theory, Dr. Robert Gaynes unpacks why this shift was so hard to achieve. In this episode, he and Dart explore what it teaches us about paradigm shifts today: why new ideas face such resistance, how the personalities of innovators influence acceptance, and what happens when a powerful new paradigm leads us to overcorrect.

Dr. Robert P. Gaynes is an infectious disease physician and Professor of Medicine at Emory University. He is the author of Germ Theory, a CHOICE Outstanding Academic Title.

In this episode, Dart and Robert discuss:
- Why it took centuries to accept that germs cause disease
- What resistance to handwashing reveals about change
- Breakthroughs Robert witnessed in his career
- How medicine’s history reveals patterns of change
- HIV’s transformation from fatal to treatable
- What happens when new paradigms go too far
- How personality shapes whether innovations are accepted
- Lessons for anyone driving change at work today
- And other topics…

Dr. Robert P. Gaynes is an infectious disease physician and Professor of Medicine at Emory University. He chairs Emory’s Infection Control and Antimicrobial Stewardship Committees, attends at the Atlanta VA Medical Center, and has written extensively on hospital-acquired infections and antimicrobial use. He is the author of Germ Theory: Medical Pioneers in Infectious Disease, named a CHOICE Outstanding Academic Title.

Resources Mentioned:
Germ Theory: Medical Pioneers in Infectious Disease by Robert Gaynes: https://www.amazon.com/Germ-Theory-Pioneers-Infectious-Diseases/dp/168367376X
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Register to attend the UWEBC Conference, where Dart keynotes the HR track alongside Ethan Mollick and Nancy Giordano – September 30, University of Wisconsin: https://uwebc.wisc.edu/conference/registration/

Connect with Robert:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robert-p-gaynes-49b1541/

Work with Dart:
Dart is the CEO and co-founder of the work design firm 11fold. Build work that makes employees feel alive, connected to their work, and focused on what’s most important to the business. Book a call at 11fold.com.

Ray Dalio has long been hailed a hedge-fund titan, but investigative reporter Rob Copeland discovered there was more to the story than meets the eye. In his latest book, The Fund: Ray Dalio, Bridgewater Associates and the Unraveling of a Wall Street Legend, Copeland unfolds Ray Dalio’s principles as a grand display of pride that fosters a toxic work culture full of things like paranoia and backstabbing. Copeland’s exploration dives into the complexities of Dalio’s leadership and the consequences it brings to the workplace.

Rob is an award-winning investigative reporter for The New York Times. Prior to The Times, he wrote for The Wall Street Journal for nearly a decade, covering front-page stories in New York, San Francisco, and Austin, Texas. 

In this episode, Dart and Rob discuss:
- Management principles at Bridgewater Associates
- The adverse effects of Dalio’s feedback system
- Challenges associated with radical transparency in the workplace
- The mental models influencing Dalio’s management practices
- Dalio’s definition of a strong manager
- Whether performative cruelty improves hedge fund success
- And other topics…

Rob Copeland is an award-winning investigative reporter for The New York Times and author of the bestselling book, The Fund: Ray Dalio, Bridgewater Associates and the Unraveling of a Wall Street Legend. In this compelling work, Copeland dissects the famous principles of hedge-fund giant Ray Dalio and their adverse effects in the workplace.

Prior to The New York Times, Rob was a reporter for The Wall Street Journal for nearly a decade after graduating from Duke University. His investigative work spanned across Texas and San Francisco, the latter where he covered Silicon Valley with a particular focus on Google. His time at the Journal marked notable achievements, including recognition as an award-winning hedge-fund beat reporter.

Resourced mentioned:
The Fund, by Rob Copeland:  https://www.amazon.com/Fund-Bridgewater-Associates-Unraveling-Street/dp/1250276934

Connect with Rob:
The New York Times: https://www.nytimes.com/by/rob-copeland
https://www.bridgewaterbook.com/ 

Work with Dart:
Dart is the CEO and co-founder of the work design firm 11fold. Build work that makes employees feel alive, connected to their work, and focused on what’s most important to the business. Book a call at 11fold.com.

Juan Luis Betancourt, a seasoned business executive and human capital management expert, understood the vital role of meaningful connections from early in his career. Recognizing that a lack of authentic connections negatively impacts productivity and retention at organizations globally, Juan founded Humantelligence – a company that leverages analytics and AI to humanize and optimize work across sectors and countries.

Juan is a thought leader, speaker, and business executive in human capital management with 25+ years of experience. At Humantelligence, he has helped clients like Visa, Coca-Cola, and Honda to enhance productivity, boost motivation, and reduce turnover in the workplace.

In this episode, Dart and Juan discuss:
- Humanizing work through technology
- The significance of workplace connections
- Adapting leadership to diverse learning styles
- Humantelligence’s innovative services and their development
- Juan’s global experience in 8 countries
- What work culture is and its evolution alongside company growth
- Dispelling work culture myths
- And other topics…

Juan Betancourt is the CEO of Humantelligence, a company dedicated to leveraging analytics and AI to align organizational culture and strategy. At Humantelligence, Juan has helped clients like Visa, Coca-Cola, and Honda to enhance productivity, boost motivation, and reduce turnover in the workplace.

Prior to Humantelligence, Juan developed his experience in human capital advising as a partner at Korn/Ferry International and Heidrick & Struggles. With a global career spanning 25+ years and encompassing eight different countries, Juan has garnered senior-level experience at prominent organizations such as Siebel Systems (now Oracle), Puma, Reebok, Decathlon, and Proctor & Gamble. During his tenure at Puma, Juan notably played a key role in the company's successful rebranding, contributing to one of the most significant consumer brand turnarounds in the past two decades.

Juan received his M.B.A. from The Wharton School, his M.A. in International Management from the University of Pennsylvania, and his B.A. from Harvard University. He serves as a board member of the Miami Theatre Center and maintains affiliations with the Wharton and Harvard Alumni Associations in South Florida.

Resources mentioned:
www.humantelligence.com
Don Sull: https://mitsloan.mit.edu/faculty/directory/donald-sull

Connect with Juan:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/juanluisbetancourt/
www.humantelligence.com

Work with Dart:
Dart is the CEO and co-founder of the work design firm 11fold. Build work that makes employees feel alive, connected to their work, and focused on what’s most important to the business. Book a call at 11fold.com.

Rehka Magon excelled as a child because of the mindfulness tools, community service, and travel experiences she received from a young age. When she began to form her own family, she realized that conventional schooling and family settings were more likely to hinder a child's growth rather than contribute to it. Rejecting the status quo, she co-founded Boundless Life – an organization that provides turnkey packages for families to move abroad, grow, and learn together.

Rehka Magon is an ed-tech entrepreneur and avid world traveler. She is the founder of themindfulscholar.com and co-founder and Head of Education of Boundless Life.

In this episode, Dart and Rehka discuss:
- The digital nomad infrastructure that is competing with corporate jobs
- Boundless Life’s turnkey packages for families to move abroad
- The profile of a digitally nomadic family
- How to choose a location for effective relocation
- What it takes to be location-independent from companies
- Transformations experienced by families living abroad
- Whether or not you can feel at home across locations
- And other topics…

Rehka Magon is an ed-tech entrepreneur and avid world traveler. Rehka transitioned from corporate life as a former Senior Auditor at KPMG to become the award-winning founder of www.themindfulscholar.com. After thousands of hours of research into different educational pedagogy, Rehka bridged various frameworks into her own educational structure and action plan, co-founding Boundless Life, an organization that provides turnkey packages for families to move abroad and grow together.

Rehka holds her Bachelor of Accounting and Minor in Human Resources from McGill University, where she co-founded Toonies for Tsunami and raised over $26,000 in two weeks for Thailand relief efforts. She is also the current board member of strategic planning for Family Makeshop, an organization that defends a child’s right to a meaningful education.

Resources mentioned:
Boundless Life site: https://www.boundless.life/
Boundless Life Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/boundlesslife/
Boundless Life Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/myboundlesslife/

Connect with Rehka:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rekha-magon-28654395/ 

Work with Dart:
Dart is the CEO and co-founder of the work design firm 11fold. Build work that makes employees feel alive, connected to their work, and focused on what’s most important to the business. Book a call at 11fold.com.

As a young child, Andy Chaleff had to become incredibly sensitive to the emotions of others in an attempt to evade the wrath of his disturbed and abusive father. He found solace in the presence of his mother, but when he was 18, she fell victim to a fatal accident at the hands of a drunk driver. He fled the United States, embarking on a decades-long journey that led him through the business world and eventually into a monk-like existence where he ultimately found his life's purpose – helping people who have experienced trauma to transform through the power of self-love.

Andy Chaleff is an award-winning author, advisor, and the Director of Amsterdam’s Welvaren training center. As a mentor to business leaders around the globe, Andy’s life work helps people connect with themselves and others through vulnerability and self-awareness.

In this episode, Dart and Andy discuss:
- How to build authentic connections at work
- Differentiating between respect and trust
- Breaking cycles of distrust in the workplace
- When expectations can be blindsiding 
- Techniques for turning a negative interaction into a constructive one
- Finding agency within a system
- The importance of intention
- And other topics…

Andy Chaleff is an award-winning author, private mentor, and advisor to business leaders around the globe. He also serves as Director of Amsterdam’s Welvaren training center. Some of his past clients include eMindful, InnerExplorer, SOLE, the Cleveland Municipality School District, and the Jacobs School of Music at Indiana University. Andy’s life’s work aims to help people connect with themselves and others through vulnerability and self-awareness. This objective is also reflected in his latest books, The Connections Playbook, The Wounded Healer, and The Last Letter.

Resources mentioned:
The Connections Playbook, by Andy Chaleff: https://www.amazon.com/Connection-Playbook-Meaningful-Harmonious-Relationships/dp/B0CGGDS6KT
The Wounded Healer, by Andy Chaleff: https://www.amazon.com/Wounded-Healer-Journey-Radical-Self-Love/dp/B08NWJ3KPX
The Last Letter, by Andy Chaleff: https://www.amazon.com/Last-Letter-Embracing-Create-Meaningful/dp/1633937054
Radical Candor, by Kim Scott: https://www.amazon.com/Radical-Candor-Revised-Kick-Ass-Humanity/dp/1250235375

Connect with Andy:
www.andychaleff.com 

Work with Dart:
Dart is the CEO and co-founder of the work design firm 11fold. Build work that makes employees feel alive, connected to their work, and focused on what’s most important to the business. Book a call at 11fold.com.

Tackling workplace burnout requires more than surface-level perks like snack boxes or ping-pong tables. As Gen Z becomes a predominant workforce, the companies that invest in employee well-being will be the ones to attract, retain, and evolve with this upcoming generation. Author and international speaker Jennifer Moss recognizes that understanding the employee perspective is multifaceted. She is on a mission to dispel the myths surrounding burnout, happiness, and productivity at work to foster thriving workplaces for both companies and employees.

Jennifer Moss is an award-winning writer and international speaker on future-focused leadership development. Her past clients include Google, Deloitte, and KraftHeinz, among others. Her work has been featured on BBC, Business Insider, CNBC, Fortune, Forbes, CNN, TIME, and The Wall Street Journal.

In this episode, Dart and Jennifer discuss:
- The continuum from happiness to burnout
- Burnout as institutional stress
- The greatest misconceptions about burnout
- Why productivity without happiness is detrimental
- Future workforce shifts and their potential economic effects
- The disconnect between engagement and well-being at work
- Decoding the 6 root causes of burnout
- How the idea of happiness has changed throughout history
- Developing a muscle of gratitude to face crises
- And other topics…

Jennifer Moss is an award-winning writer and international speaker specializing in future-focused leadership development. Her past clients include Google, Deloitte, J.P. Morgan, Citi, Shopify, KraftHeinz, and Oracle, among many other Fortune 500 companies.

Jennifer’s latest book, The Burnout Epidemic, tackles employee burnout and was named one of the 10 Best New Management Books for 2022 by Thinkers50. Her work has been featured on BBC, Business Insider, CNBC, Vox, Fortune, and Forbes. Jennifer is also a regular contributor to Harvard Business Review, CNN, TIME, and The Wall Street Journal.

Resources mentioned:
The Burnout Epidemic, by Jennifer Moss: https://www.amazon.com/Burnout-Epidemic-Rise-Chronic-Stress/dp/B09G8GHXSV
Unlocking Happiness at Work, by Jennifer Moss: https://www.amazon.com/Unlocking-Happiness-Work-Data-driven-Performance/dp/0749478071

Connect with Jennifer:
www.jennifer-moss.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenleighmoss/ 

Work with Dart:
Dart is the CEO and co-founder of the work design firm 11fold. Build work that makes employees feel alive, connected to their work, and focused on what’s most important to the business. Book a call at 11fold.com.

Within social justice, those most impacted by design often find themselves left out of the design process. After witnessing power struggles between the oppressed and their surroundings, design practitioner Lesley-Ann Noel identified the need for co-designing within a system to create the most productive and equitable outcome.

Lesley-Ann Noel is a university professor at North Carolina State University, author of Design Social Change, and a design practitioner specializing in equity, social justice, and marginalized groups in design research. She has a background in industrial design, an MBA from the University of the West Indies, and a PhD in Design from North Carolina State University.

In this episode, Dart and Lesley-Ann discuss:
- The importance of co-designing with those affected by a system
- 3 levels of awareness inherent to an effective design process
- Finding power in different aspects of one’s identity
- Why designers must recognize their positionality
- Using anger and intense emotions as design tools
- What materials create social change
- The duality of the oppressed and the oppressor
- The essential “recipes” to change the world
- And other topics…

Lesley-Ann Noel is a university professor at North Carolina State University, an author, and a design practitioner with a focus on equity, social justice, and the experiences of marginalized groups in design research. Her work focuses on the realms of social innovation, education, and public health, as showcased in her latest book, Design Social Change.

Before joining North Carolina State University, Lesley-Ann was the Associate Director of Design Thinking for Social Impact at Tulane University. She was also a lecturer at Stanford University and the University of the West Indies. Lesley-Ann holds a BA in Industrial Design from the Universidade Federal do Paraná, an MBA from the University of the West Indies, and a PhD in Design from North Carolina State University. She is co-chair of the Pluriversal Design Special Interest Group of the Design Research Society and a co-editor of “The Black Experience in Design.”

Resources mentioned:
Design Social Change, by Lesley-Ann Noel: https://www.amazon.com/Design-Social-Change-Challenge-Stanford/dp/1984858149

Connect with Lesley-Ann:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lesleyannnoel/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lesleyannnoel/
https://dschool.stanford.edu/book-collections/design-social-change 

Work with Dart:
Dart is the CEO and co-founder of the work design firm 11fold. Build work that makes employees feel alive, connected to their work, and focused on what’s most important to the business. Book a call at 11fold.com.

The number of remote workers more than tripled between 2019 and 2021. While remote work is not at its pandemic peak, it is here to stay. Liam Martin has been an expert on remote work for over two decades – long before it became a household term. He argues that all organizations – new and old – need to adopt remote and hybrid models to remain competitive in the marketplace. His mission is to make remote work accessible for everyone, one employee and company at a time.

Liam Martin is the co-founder of Time Doctor and Staff.com, co-organizer of Running Remote – the world’s largest conference on remote work, and the author of Running Remote and various publications on distributed work. His expertise has helped thousands of companies around the world adopt a remote working model.

In this episode, Dart and Liam discuss:
- The evolution of remote work and where it’s headed
- The Running Remote annual conference
- Starting a remote company vs. transitioning to remote work
- A manager’s role in a remote/hybrid model
- The importance of Employers of Records (EORs) for remote work
- How to build a culture of asynchronous work
- Effective process documentation
- The 4 epochs of remote work
- And other topics…

Liam Martin is a remote work expert with over twenty years of experience in the field. He has worked with thousands of companies, helping organizations worldwide to adopt a remote working model. Liam co-founded Time Doctor and Staff.com, one of the most popular productivity software platforms today. He is also the co-organizer of the world’s largest conference on distributed work – the annual Running Remote Conference.

Liam’s latest book, Running Remote, guides for organizations that want to unlock remote work to achieve more autonomy for business owners and employees. Liam’s work has also been published in Forbes, Wired, and The Wall Street Journal, among others. His mission is to empower workers to work wherever they want, whenever they want; Liam lives this out in his own life by traveling six months of the year with his family while working remotely.

Resources mentioned:
Running Remote, by Liam Martin and Rob Rawson: https://www.amazon.com/Running-Remote-Successful-Remote-Work-Pioneers/dp/1400232147
Deep Work, by Cal Newport: https://www.amazon.com/Deep-Work-Cal-Newport-audiobook/dp/B0189PVAWY/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=deep+work&s=books&sr=1-1

Connect with Liam:
www.RunningRemote.com
Running Remote YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/RunningRemote 

Work with Dart:
Dart is the CEO and co-founder of the work design firm 11fold. Build work that makes employees feel alive, connected to their work, and focused on what’s most important to the business. Book a call at 11fold.com.