This episode is for you if perfectionism, disordered eating, or a never-ending exhaustion from managing your life feels familiar.
From Dr Clarissa Pinkola Estés' Women Who Run With the Wolves, we trace the story of an orphan whose handmade red shoes — her own resourcefulness, her own creative impulse — get burned by the old woman who takes her in.
What happens to the young girl once that connection to herself is gone? Obsession, susceptibility, a rebellion that never finds its legs...
We talk about what Stacy's research revealed about the real order of operations in binge/purge cycles, Jung's concept of the "provisional life," and why having sane mirrors around you — people who reflect back what's actually there — matters more than the 'tools' on offer.
Kathleen Nora Bower is a quantum seamstress and shadow alchemist, curator of global online summits, and course manager for the Global School of Quantum Evolution.
Stacy Dicker, PhD is a clinical depth psychologist with 20+ years of experience working with eating disorders, relational trauma, and Jungian psychology.
This conversation follows on from The Antidote, a three-part series devoted to liberating us (women) from the pathologization of our bodies.
Timestamps
00:00 – Who this episode is for
02:11 – Why we're revisiting The Antidote
04:16 – The Red Shoes, from Women Who Run With the Wolves
09:00 – The story, told in full
13:00 – "She is off in La La Land" — rebellion without direction
27:00 – The dissertation study: 26 women, one answer
34:00 – Sane mirrors and the free-range egg experiment
41:00 – Domestication and the wild woman
45:00 – The provisional life (Jung)
56:00 – Coming into relationship with the friction of life
58:00 – What's next: the Antidote groundswell
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About Kathleen
Kathleen Nora Bower — quantum seamstress, shadow alchemist, curator of global online summits, and course manager for the Global School of Quantum Evolution.
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About Stacy
Stacy Dicker, PhD — clinical depth psychologist with 20+ years working with eating disorders, relational trauma, and Jungian psychology.
🔗 https://stacydickerphd.com/">stacydickerphd.com
The Antidote
This conversation follows on from The Antidote, our three-part series exploring the pathologization of women's bodies.
🔗 https://www.metamorphosis-global-summit.com/the-antidote">The Antidote
Referenced in this episode
📖 Women Who Run With the Wolves by Clarissa Pinkola Estés
🌙 Poems read by Stacy
Hollie McNish — Pass Times
Ella Hicks — Untitled
