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Synopsys CMO Ann Minooka has repositioned the company twice in under two years, tied to acquiring simulation company Ansys. On Unicorn Marketers, she breaks down timing brand shifts to real inflection points, running a lean AI Martech stack, and scaling AI adoption without adding headcount.

Topics Discussed:

• Why Synopsys repositioned from design solutions to engineering solutions after acquiring Ansys, and the debate it required

• The three tests Minooka applies before adding any tool to her Martech stack

• How her team scaled AI adoption using internal champions instead of a dedicated AI or GTM engineer role

• How an AI agent on the Synopsys site exposes content gaps and routes buying intent to a sales calendar

• Why executive buy-in for a repositioning has to produce a documented artifact, not just a workshop

• How marketing and BDR teams scaled trust from one proof of concept to a company-wide model

GTM Lessons For B2B Founders:

• Evaluate tools against three tests, not enthusiasm: learning curve, maintainability, and whether ROI is measurable. Minooka cited Clay as one platform that could replace 10 point tools, and treats that consolidation as the goal.

• Time repositioning to real inflection points, not the calendar: Synopsys moved from "design solutions from silicon to systems" to "engineering solutions from silicon to systems" right after acquiring Ansys, once AI was confirmed to change how customers design, deploy, and manufacture, not just design.

• Buy-in is the artifact, not the workshop: a two-day executive offsite plus individual 1:1s fed into a documented brand playbook and internal training class, both updated regularly and outliving the launch.

• Scale AI through champions, not new titles: two or three self-selected enthusiasts build use cases (one cut a case study from days to about 50 minutes), then teach peers via lunch-and-learn. Synopsys evolved Martech engineers into AI experts rather than hiring a new title.

• Let an AI agent qualify inbound intent: an on-site agent, live about two months, surfaces content gaps from questions it's asked and routes recognized buyers to a sales calendar.

• Scale sales trust from one proof of concept: the BDR partnership started with a single joint campaign and shared reporting, then expanded to other go-to-market leaders once that first partnership proved out.

Vanta is an agentic trust platform that uses AI to automate compliance and risk monitoring, serving everyone from startups getting their first SOC 2 to enterprise GRC teams at companies like Snowflake, Atlassian, Icelandair, and Ramp.

In a recent episode of Unicorn Marketers, we sat down with Scott Holden, CMO of Vanta, to learn how the company is moving upmarket without abandoning the downmarket dominance that made it famous.

Topics Discussed:

● Scott's mandate: shifting Vanta from a transactional downmarket sale to a complicated enterprise sale, plus the corporate narrative and brand shift behind it

● The new narrative: 70% of AI entering companies is shadow AI that skips security review, and companies spend $2,000 making AI better and faster for every $1 making it safer

● The Trust Graph, the GRC industry's first data and intelligence layer, running 1,400 tests every hour

● The Calm Compliance campaign: why CISOs are ducks paddling quickly on the water, and the "Make audits your beach" line

● Hiring the Saturday Night Live photographer and real actors to counter AI slop with real humanity

● The Brex "Concur." campaign and why upmarket advertising softens the ground for sellers instead of driving signups

● What Ramp got right: early infrastructure investments that let decisions and experiments compound

● Go-to-market engineering, why it was "better marketed by Clay," and when founders should make the hire

● Running 2,000 agents and 150 Claude skills across the go-to-market team, and why consolidation beats proliferation

● The message hierarchy flip that lets one campaign serve founders and CISOs

● Losing the famous Mission billboard on day 89, and the new 101 billboard debuting the reinvented llama, Ilma

● The Table Top podcast, comedian in residence Alexis Gay, and justifying podcast ROI between vibes and real demand

Fetch is America's biggest rewards app. Win Sakdinan spent 20 years at P&G — the world's biggest advertiser at the time — before stints at Twitter and Snapchat, and now leads marketing at Fetch. His core argument: most startup marketers are solving the wrong problem. They're optimizing activation before they've earned the right to activate.

Topics Discussed:

• Why activation without brand strategy is expensive noise

• The "who, what, how" framework for messaging alignment across a scaling org

• How sales teams replace research budgets for message testing

• The internal boredom problem: why marketers kill messages that are just starting to land

• When a brand overhaul is justified vs. when it destroys compounding equity

• Using AI to compress concept-to-test cycles from weeks to hours

GTM Lessons For B2B Marketers: 

• Brand before activation — every time. The pattern Win sees repeatedly across startups: teams jump straight to "should we run TikTok or direct mail?" before defining what the brand stands for, what the core benefits are, or how the brand should look and sound. The activation debate is premature until those are locked. This isn't a branding exercise — it's what determines whether your spend compounds or evaporates. "Always start with what your brand stands for, very clearly identifying it, and then determining where you go with activation. That seems so obvious, right? But it is amazing that... a lot of the other managers tend to gravitate to activation fast."

• Repetition is a strategy, not a failure of creativity. The biggest threat to brand equity at growth-stage companies isn't bad creative — it's internal boredom. Marketers see the same message every day and mistake their own fatigue for market saturation. Win's rule: if you're tired of the message, your customers are just starting to absorb it. The Coca-Cola operating principle Win references makes this concrete — your job is to polish the brand, not reinvent it. "If you're sick of it, it means your customers and your consumers are just starting to understand it. That's what we say."

• The "who" is not a targeting exercise — it's an architecture decision. Win's who/what/how framework sounds simple until you try to align a 50-person org around it. The "who" doesn't just inform creative — it determines your entire activation stack. Channel selection, creative format, media mix all flow downstream from a well-defined target. The reason orgs skip this work is because simplicity is hard to align around. "The more simpler it is, the harder it is to align people organizationally."

• Sales is your fastest message-testing loop. Without P&G-scale research budgets, startups can get high-signal feedback on messaging by going directly to the sales team. They're in daily contact with the hardest critics — buyers — and can immediately distinguish a message that opens doors from one that doesn't. Win treats a positive sales reaction as a leading indicator before investing in broader distribution. "Salespeople can really sniff out marketing stuff that works or doesn't work because every day they're getting beaten up by very tough customers."

• AI compresses the concept-to-test cycle — but doesn't close it. Win's practical framing: AI gets you to 80% of a solid creative concept in minutes, which used to take weeks of briefings, designer cycles, and rounds of feedback. That 80% is enough to share internally, pressure-test direction, and run early social tests. The remaining gap still requires human judgment. "I'm not a great copywriter, but I'll put in what I want to look for, and I can get to 80% of something that's pretty good. And then the rest — a lot of human refinement is needed."

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Mural is a visual collaboration platform built for the way modern teams think and work. In a recent episode of Unicorn Marketers, produced by FrontLines.io, we sat down with Christina Bottis, Chief Global Marketing Officer at Mural, to go deep on the ICP and buyer behavior shifts that are quietly breaking most B2B marketing programs. Christina covers how Mural is adapting to a buyer journey that now runs through LLMs, free trials, and peer review sites before a prospect ever talks to sales — and how her team has built the GT M infrastructure to show up at every stage. She also unpacks what it actually takes to make community-led growth work when most programs fail.

Topics Discussed:

• Why skipping ICP work — or treating it as a one-time exercise — is the root cause of most GTM failures
• How AI has structurally changed the consideration set: buyers now arrive pre-researched, pre-trialed, and pre-validated before they engage sales
• The new pre-consideration flywheel: LLM query → free trial → review sites → peer validation → procurement
• Why you have less than a week to prove product value before a prospect disqualifies you entirely
• How Mural is building content to get cited — not just ranked — in LLM results
• The case for keeping one dedicated SEO/AEO function monitoring white space and competitive positioning
• Why traditional SEO is the foundation LLM results are built on — and what that means for content strategy
• How Mural's community on Discourse feeds ICP signal back to marketing, product, and sales

GTM Lessons For B2B Marketers:

• ICP isn't a document — it's a feedback system that has to keep pace with behavioral change. The assumption that "we know our customer" is the most common ICP failure mode, and it's getting more costly. Christina pointed to a shift happening at Mural in real time: the way their buyers were searching a year ago has already shifted to asking — an entirely different mindset and intent signal. When buyer behavior is moving that fast, quarterly qual/quant reviews set the baseline, but the weekly loop matters more: Gong call reviews, customer and prospect conversations, and cross-functional signal-sharing into messaging, sales talk tracks, and product priorities. The question isn't how often you revisit ICP — it's whether you've built the infrastructure to catch the signal when it surfaces and route it to the right people fast enough to act.

• The consideration set has been structurally inverted — and most GTM teams haven't caught up. The old model: a prospect contacts sales, gets on a consideration list, evaluates. The new model: an LLM generates a shortlist, the prospect self-qualifies by running a free trial, validates through review sites and peer communities, and only then — if you've survived all of it — do they bring you to procurement. Christina put a hard number on the trial window: less than a week to prove value, or they're gone before you ever make the list. That's not a product problem. It's a GTM architecture problem. Your entire top-of-funnel motion needs to be designed around earning inclusion in that pre-consideration flywheel, not assuming you'll get a sales conversation to make your case.

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Virta Health is on a mission to reverse metabolic disease — the underlying condition behind more than 10 chronic diseases, affecting more than 93% of US adults — using individualized, AI-powered nutrition therapy. The company launched with a five-year prospective clinical trial and spent a decade proving that type 2 diabetes reversal was possible, achieving 13% one-year weight loss without drugs and 60-70%+ first-year retention for a behavior change product in a category where most interventions fail inside 90 days. In a recent episode of Unicorn Builders, we sat down with Colin Daw, VP of Growth at Virta Health, to learn how he rebuilt a plateaued member acquisition engine into a compounding, multi-channel growth machine — and the specific channel decisions, org design moves, and competitive repositioning that drove it.

Why Virta moved growth out of the commercial org and under operations — and what it unlocked

How Virta defines "access" internally and why half the growth team exists to sell it to clients

The direct mail playbook: format testing, attribution mechanics, and how mail went from nothing to the largest line item in the budget

Why Virta cut paid Meta to near zero and the structural HIPAA constraint that made it the right call

Positioning in the GLP-1 era: how Virta turned a perceived competitive threat into its largest B2B tailwind

The shift from a few massive channel bets to a portfolio-of-experiments model heading into 2026

Quantexa is a decision intelligence platform that helps enterprises connect, contextualize, and act on massive volumes of structured and unstructured data — solving problems across anti-money laundering, risk, supply chain, and customer intelligence. Founded in 2016, the company reached unicorn status and in January 2025 was named a Leader in Gartner's inaugural Magic Quadrant for Decision Intelligence. Matt Hooper joined as CMO in 2019 — when no analyst had published a single research note on the category, no Magic Quadrant existed, and the market hadn't yet formed a language for the problem Quantexa solved. This episode is the story of how you build a category from a whisper into a market.

Topics Discussed:

• What made Quantexa's 2019 market opportunity compelling — and what required a calculated bet

• The state of positioning and narrative when Matt arrived, and how he approached the first six to twelve months

• How to read market signals that a new category is forming before analysts have named it

• The tradeoffs of category creation vs. entering an established market with existing budget

GTM Lessons For B2B Founders:

• Read the market like a detective before you commit to a category. When Matt arrived, there was no positioning, no defined category, no external validation — just a strong technology and early signals in the market. His first move wasn't to write a positioning deck. It was to study: the tech, the team, the market trajectory, and — critically — what a handful of analysts and journalists were beginning to whisper about. The shift from BI (business intelligence) to DI (decision intelligence) wasn't in any report yet. It was in briefing conversations, in how clients talked about their boardroom problems — "how do we trust our decisions, how do we get more value from our data." That language is your clue. Category design starts outside-in.

• Category creation is a calculated bet, not a consensus decision. When Matt locked onto decision intelligence, there were no Magic Quadrants, no analyst frameworks, no competitive landscape to benchmark against. He ran lean qualitative research, stress-tested the narrative with founders and stakeholders, and made a reasoned call. The signal wasn't certainty — it was a convergence of technology capability, enterprise data complexity, and a problem that buyers were already trying to articulate. You don't wait for the market to confirm a new category. You make the bet and then build the validation infrastructure around it.

• Category, positioning, and messaging are a holy trinity — and collapsing them is a common, costly mistake. Matt is precise about the distinction: category defines the market you're creating or entering and is the foundation for your entire GTM strategy. Positioning defines how you differentiate within that category — not just that you're different, but why you're different. Messaging then layers in why you're better. Most early-stage teams treat these as interchangeable or skip straight to messaging. Matt's framework: nail category first, build positioning that aligns to it, then construct messaging that answers both "why different" and "why better" — in that order. None of these are marketing exercises in isolation. They are the kernel of your entire market strategy.

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Kerry Haring rebuilt Handshake's B2B messaging from scratch after joining in summer 2024 — and the first thing she found was a pitch deck that led with what Handshake does rather than what buyers care about. In this episode, she details the exact process she used to fix it: from structured win/loss analysis and Gong call reviews to building an internal AI chatbot trained on messaging feedback and applied copy, not just documentation.

Topics Discussed

• Why assumptions about buyer pain are the default failure mode in B2B marketing

• The sequenced feedback loop Kerry uses to validate messaging before it ships

• Why leading with AI in messaging hurt conversion with HR personas at Handshake

• How Kerry built and trained Barb — and why docs alone aren't enough to make an internal AI tool useful

• Connecting thought leadership directly to demo attribution and pipeline

• The five narrative pillars structuring Handshake's B2B content strategy this year

• How to decide which messages to update frequently versus which to hold stable

• Why storytelling is the non-automatable core of any AI-augmented marketing function

Key GTM Insights

• Buyer pain is not the same as product pain. The failure mode Kerry sees repeatedly: teams build a solution and then reverse-engineer the pain it must be solving. Real buyer insight requires understanding the decision triggers — what signals they trust, what tradeoffs they're making, what will actually move them to act. At Handshake, this meant learning that internship programs aren't a summer staffing play — they're the primary talent pipeline for future leadership in certain industries. That single insight changed the entire B2B messaging frame. "It's not just how they're using their product or it's not because they just requested a demo, but what is actually, you know, the story behind why they want to look for the solution and what is the pain it's going to solve."

• Sequence your feedback loops before you A/B test. Kerry's validation process runs in a specific order: GTM and sales gut-check first, then A/B testing via software, then live Gong call review, then website testing. Skipping to formal testing without the sales gut-check misses the fastest signal and the one that drives internal adoption. Bringing sales in early means they feel ownership over the messaging — which is the actual mechanism for getting field teams to use it. "If they're brought in, they feel heard they're going to use it more, most likely."

• "AI-powered" is a liability with certain personas. Kerry ran explicit message testing on AI-forward language with Handshake's core HR buyer and found it created friction. The persona is worried about legality, safety, and whether they even know how to use AI tools. Leaning into AI language in the headline drove them away rather than in. The fix was removing explicit AI claims from top-of-funnel messaging while keeping the capability present in the product story. "When we say we have an AI powered tool, that actually might be a turn off for some of them."

• Train your internal AI on applied work, not just documentation. Barb, Handshake's internal messaging chatbot, is trained on three things: core messaging docs, feedback Kerry has given other PMMs, and actual copy the team has written alongside how it was applied in context. This distinction matters — a bot trained only on documentation produces generic output. Training on applied decisions is what makes it produce on-brand, situationally appropriate copy across the full funnel. "She's also trained on the feedback that I've given, you know, other product marketers, the copy that we've written for different areas and like how we applied it."

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Newspack — Automattic's all-in-one CMS, audience engagement, and reader revenue platform for independent local news — operates in one of the more unusual GTM positions in B2B tech: their buyers are professional journalists and editors, people trained to interrogate every claim and catch every error. In this episode, Stephanie Lottridge, Head of Content & Comms at Newspack, breaks down how she built a content and community strategy nearly from scratch, how she turned monthly publisher calls into a compounding GTM asset, and why consistent repetition to a small, stretched-thin customer base works better than most sophisticated content plays.

Topics Discussed:

• Selling to journalists: how scrutiny from your audience changes your content approach

• Building Newspack's content strategy from bare bones — no social presence, no blog, demo-only YouTube

• How monthly publisher calls evolved from a support function into a community and content flywheel

• Using Slack as a structured community channel, not just a support queue

• Repurposing a single customer story across newsletter, blog, video, LinkedIn, and event assets

• Why mission alignment eliminates the cross-functional resistance most marketers fight daily

• Newspack's 2026 content bets: newsletters, video production, and YouTube

GTM Lessons For B2B Founders:

• Your existing customer touchpoints are an untapped content pipeline. When Stephanie joined, Newspack already had monthly publisher calls — but they were being run as a training and support function, not a content or community one. She reoriented them: publisher innovations surfaced on those calls became newsletter features, blog posts, customer story videos, LinkedIn content, and event booth material.
• Repetition to a small audience is a feature, not a liability. With a relatively small customer base, Stephanie was initially cautious about over-communicating — posting the same update across Slack, the newsletter, and publisher calls felt redundant. The reality: her audience of independent news publishers is stretched across multiple Slack channels, advertisers, community members, and their own editorial deadlines.
• Selling to sophisticated buyers means your content operation has zero margin for slop. Newspack's publishers are journalists. They will catch the typo. They will notice the imprecise claim. Stephanie's answer wasn't to slow down and over-polish — it was to build a culture of care while accepting that momentum matters more than perfection.

• Community infrastructure should be built before you need it, not after. Newspack's publisher community started in 2019 as a byproduct of onboarding — a Slack channel, a call cadence. By the time Stephanie joined, it had grown organically to the point where it became a selling point in its own right. The mechanism was simple: a bi-weekly newsletter, monthly publisher calls, and a Slack channel with consistent moderation and announcements.
• Mission-connected content strategies don't require internal selling. At most B2B companies, getting product, engineering, or sales to participate in content is a negotiation. Stephanie explicitly noted she has not had to pull teeth at Newspack — people share LinkedIn posts, contribute to customer stories, and support event strategy without resistance.

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Webflow has spent over a decade earning the loyalty of designers and freelancers. Now, with enterprise demand pulling the platform upmarket and AI reshaping the marketing function from the ground up, CMO Dave Steer is navigating one of the harder brand transitions in B2B: expanding your ICP without losing the community that got you here. In this episode, Dave gets specific about how Webflow is repositioning against legacy CMS incumbents, what co-hosting the first-ever AEO conference revealed about where enterprise marketing is heading, and why the most dangerous move a marketer can make right now is throwing out the old playbook entirely.

Topics Discussed:

• Why developer marketing was the bridge from consumer (eBay, Facebook, Twitter) to B2B — and what consumer brand-building still teaches enterprise marketers

• The structural reason B2B marketing became a "sea of sameness" — and what it actually takes to break through when a buying committee is 18–20 people

• How Webflow is moving upmarket while protecting the designer and freelancer community that built the brand

• Co-hosting the first AEO Conf: what the 1,200-person waitlist signals about where enterprise marketing anxiety is concentrated right now

• Why AI is collapsing marketing's internal silos — and why Dave frames this as "marketing becoming a verb, not a department"

• The specific trade-offs of integrating AEO vs. abandoning SEO — and why the SEO is the most valuable player on the team right now

• Why first-touch and last-touch attribution are becoming relics — and what to replace them with

• Dave's take on category creation, April Dunford's positioning framework, and why "agentic web marketing platform" is the right umbrella for where Webflow is going

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Rishi Mallik joined Workato when it was fewer than 10 people. Today, as Chief Growth Officer at the $5.7B enterprise integration and automation platform, he leads the GTM strategy for a 1,000-person company that just raised $200M. In this episode, Rishi pulls back the curtain on how Workato combines B2C marketing principles with B2B pragmatism, rebuilt their SDR team for messaging consistency, and cracked the code on generative engine optimization (GEO) to increase organic attribution from under 10% to 25% in six months.

Topics Discussed

• How B2C DNA changes B2B go-to-market strategy
• Why Workato moved SDRs from sales to marketing (and why it works)
• The five-minute SLA that transformed inbound lead response
• Warm outbound only: engaging prospects after they signal intentUsing AI for first-touch emails while humans handle nuanced responses
• Generative Engine Optimization: rewriting content for AI Overviews and ranking differently
• Building community ownership: the CIO Council Podcast and CIOsNews.com
• Attribution models for owned media in the age of generative engines

Key GTM Insights

• B2C Principles, B2B Execution Rishi believes the best B2B marketing borrows directly from consumer playbooks. The foundational principle: "let's market how we would want to be marketed to. Let's sell how we would want to be sold to." This isn't just brand voice. It means respecting the buyer's time, being concise, and reaching out only when there's a genuine fit.
• The SDR Organization Hack Moving SDRs from the sales organization to marketing was a turning point. Rishi explained the logic: when SDRs report to sales, they optimize for volume and close rates within their own pipeline. When they report to marketing, they optimize for message consistency and inbound quality. This shifts SDRs from pure prospecting machines into a feedback loop that sharpens messaging across all touchpoints.
• Warm Outbound Only Cold outbound that ignores intent signals is a relic. At Workato, "we do what we call warm outbound, which is you've engaged with us in some way, shape or form." Rishi's team only reaches out after observing engagement: a content download, a website session, a search query, a social interaction.
• AI as a Composing Tool, Not a Decision Maker Rishi highlighted a critical mistake that leaders make: "the number one common mistake from go to market leaders in leveraging AI is that you use a stochastic model to make deterministic decisions." Translation: AI is great for drafting emails and suggestions, but humans must make the final call. At Workato, AI generates first-touch emails based on intent signals, but humans review, adjust, and handle all responses.
• Generative Engine Optimization Changed the Game Workato's Head of SEO changed his title to Head of GEO (Generative Engine Optimization) 1.5 years ago. The insight: AI Overviews in Google favor certain content formats. Rishi noted: "it seemed like AI Overviews was really into content that was written as bullet points, top five FAQs, really easy to decipher and really easy for the LLM to understand." Workato rewrote swaths of content to match these patterns. The result: "we leveraged AI to outsmart AI."
• Community as a Moat Workato invested in building a space where CIOs could convene and learn from peers. "one of the projects that Alex sort of took on was one is that we made sort of a CIO council podcast where CIOs actually would, one or two at a time would come and talk about some interesting challenges that they worked on. And it was like one of the top streamed podcasts on Apple podcast for a while, not just in tech, but in general." That community evolved.

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HUMAN Security processes 20 trillion interactions per week — a quadrillion per year — making them one of the most data-rich vantage points on how AI agents are reshaping the consumer journey. John Searby, Chief Strategy Officer, breaks down how HUMAN is evolving from bot detection to agentic trust, and what that means for security, commerce, and GTM teams accountable for growth in an automated buying environment.

Topics Discussed:

• Why HUMAN is expanding bot detection into the category of "agentic trust"

• How AI agents are compressing the traditional consumer journey into a single interaction layer

• The new buyer personas (commerce, marketing, digital teams) now entering the security conversation

• A specific three-layer playbook: crawler visibility, data optimization, agent verification at transaction

• What 20 trillion weekly interactions reveals about agentic commerce in the wild

• How to build a partner ecosystem strategy when your buyer persona is fragmenting fast

• The signals that tell a founder it's time to hire a Chief Strategy Officer

Key GTM Insights:

Expand the category, don't replace it. HUMAN had a defensible position in bot detection. When agentic AI arrived, the temptation is to pivot. John's framing: it's an expansion, not a revolution. Existing customers still need bot mitigation. New buyers need agentic trust. Running both in parallel lets you grow into new personas without abandoning the base. "It is the natural evolution. It is expected from our customers that we give them insights into that automation.

Your security buyer is now pulling you into the CMO's office. HUMAN didn't go looking for new personas — customers sent them there. Security buyers started saying the CMO needed this data immediately. That inbound pull is the signal to expand GTM motion before you've built the full story.

The LLM optimization playbook has a specific mechanic. Most operators are talking about AEO/GEO at the content layer. HUMAN's product operates at the edge — meaning they can identify when an LLM crawler hits a customer's site, serve it optimized data, and then when an agent returns to transact, verify it, allow it, or gate it. That's a three-stage loop: crawl visibility, data presentation, transaction verification.

In a noisy AI market, deployment is the differentiator. Everyone is claiming AI capability. The credibility signal that cuts through is live customer data. HUMAN prioritized getting to nearly 200 deployed customers before leaning into broader category messaging. The sequence matters: build, deploy, collect real signal, then amplify. "Let's actually build it, right. Let's deploy it."

Integration strategy is the new distribution strategy. A standalone product requires behavior change. John's bet is inserting HUMAN's data as a trust layer into the tools customers already operate in — SIEMs for security buyers, web analytics for digital teams. The insight isn't just "meet buyers where they are" — it's that becoming embedded in existing workflows is what converts a point solution into infrastructure.

Hire a CSO when no one owns the cross-functional view. The signal isn't headcount or revenue stage — it's when your product strategy, data strategy, GTM, partner ecosystem, and integration roadmap are being optimized in silos. The CSO role exists to hold that full picture simultaneously. "Who's able to look at it from our product strategy, our data strategy, how does that relate to our go to market and our partner ecosystems and our integration strategy?
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Evelyn Swaim is Vice President of Global Growth Marketing at Seismic, leading a 65-person marketing organization that ditched MQL reporting entirely in favor of owning pipeline, velocity, and revenue. Since joining over two years ago, Evelyn transformed marketing from a service desk generating top-of-funnel noise into a full-funnel growth engine with shared ownership of revenue targets. With experience across eight tech companies spanning startups to billion-dollar enterprises, Evelyn brings a no-nonsense approach to modern B2B marketing. In this conversation, we dig into her 18-month framework for eliminating MQLs, how she's deployed 30+ AI agents that now sit in her org chart alongside human teammates, and why she killed content syndication despite initial resistance.

Topics Discussed:

• The 18-month roadmap for transitioning from MQL reporting to pipeline ownership

• How to reverse-engineer bookings targets with RevOps to define pipeline requirements

• Why content syndication creates lead decay and wrong-persona noise (and what to do instead)

• Scaling back third-party trade shows in favor of curated first-party ABX programs

• Building 30+ AI agents starting with a custom GPT that eliminated thousands in monthly localization costs

• Assigning an "AI coefficient" role to systematically identify automation opportunities

• Measuring marketing on pipeline velocity, deal size growth, win rates, and sales cycle compression

• Why 21 touchpoints matter and how to instrument systems to track buyer committee engagement

  
  

  
  

  GTM Lessons For B2B Founders:

• Reverse-engineer pipeline from bookings, not MQLs from activity: Evelyn started by partnering with RevOps to work backwards from bookings targets: "What are our bookings targets? How do we reverse engineer that to understand what we need to bring in? How many deals do we need? What does the pipeline number need to look like?" This approach forces alignment on what actually matters—qualified pipeline that converts—rather than arbitrary activity metrics. The shift required changing instrumentation in their systems to track pipeline progression, velocity, and conversion rather than lead volume. Founders should demand their marketing leaders start planning from revenue backwards, not activity forwards.

• Use velocity and quality metrics to prove the MQL is dead: Evelyn didn't just declare MQLs dead—she measured throughput. She showed sales leadership that a wide funnel full of noise converts poorly, while tightly-filtered, ICP-fit, intent-qualified pipeline converts faster and at higher rates. "What if what we bring into the funnel are more sales ready, tightly fit to the ICP in the right Persona with market-ready intent—how fast is that throughput?" The data proved the point: velocity and quality beat volume. Founders should push marketing to instrument conversion velocity by source and persona fit, not just top-line volume.

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Karen Kaukol is CMO of Entrust, a cybersecurity company with a nearly six-decade history securing identity for the world's largest banks, governments, and regulated institutions. In this episode of Unicorn Marketers, Karen breaks down rebuilding Entrust's positioning from zero and how AI has restructured her team's creative cycle.

Topics Discussed:

• Rebuilding foundational positioning with no documented framework to start from

• Auditing internal messaging against unscripted customer language

• Reframing competitive analysis around mindshare, not just direct competitors

• Choosing a specific job to be done at industry events instead of competing on spend

GTM Lessons For B2B Founders:

• Positioning debt compounds even at mature companies. Karen found zero documented positioning at Entrust despite decades of history — it lived as tribal knowledge that shifted with whoever told the story. She rebuilt it in three layers: one brand position, a set of use-case categories, then specific positioning within each. The category layer lets a sprawling product line collapse into "mental file folders" a buyer can hold in their head, instead of 40 SKUs they have to sort themselves.

• Audit your messaging against unscripted customer language, not internal conviction. Karen pressure-tests positioning externally with people close to customers before finalizing it, specifically to catch daylight between internal narrative and buyer reality. Brett's example sharpens this: he matched his own site copy against client testimonial transcripts and found zero overlap with how clients actually described the value. Run that same audit against your own transcripts before your next positioning refresh.

• Track what's stealing your buyer's mindshare, not just who sells your category. Entrust had built a campaign around the post-quantum encryption transition, a real compliance deadline, only to watch AI absorb all boardroom attention and budget overnight. Mindshare is scarcer than market share. Map what's actually competing for your buyer's attention this quarter, not just your logo-slide rivals.

• Pick the job an event needs to do before deciding how to show up. Karen opted out of spend-matching at RSA, where booths included baby goats and jigsaw puzzles. She defines one job, brand exposure with a named audience or partner development, and designs the presence around only that. Benchmark against the outcome you need, not a better-funded competitor's booth.

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Attentive pioneered SMS marketing for enterprise retail brands — Crate & Barrel, Carter's, Dick's Sporting Goods — before evolving into a multi-channel platform spanning SMS, email, and AI-powered personalization. In this episode of Unicorn Marketers, we sat down with Keri McGhee, CMO at Attentive, to unpack how she transformed a brand-and-outbound-centric marketing org into a growth engine, created a customer marketing function tied directly to GRR, and navigated the company through a critical multi-product narrative shift — all while driving 100% AI adoption across a 60-person team.

Topics Discussed:

• How Attentive's marketing operated as field enablement — and what Keri changed when she became CMO

• Building a customer marketing function from zero and attaching it to a GRR number

• The first 90 days as CMO: launching email and three AI products simultaneously into a skeptical market

• How Attentive operationalizes customer centricity using Gong and custom AI tooling — beyond the talking point

• The rebrand trigger: when C-suite buyers entered the deal and the whimsical brand stopped landing

• Structuring three distinct communities for three distinct buyer profiles

• The Attentive Commerce Council: a value-exchange D2C community running on WhatsApp

• AI adoption as a performance review metric — and how Keri is handling headcount requests with an agent-first answer

• What the first marketing hire should actually look like for early-stage founders

GTM Lessons For B2B Founders:

• Build the customer marketing function before you think you need it — and tie it to a number. When Keri stepped into the CMO role, Attentive had no customer marketing team. Lifecycle comms existed, but only for incident alerts and basic promotions — no expansion motion, no advisory boards, no voice-of-customer loops. Her first move was building that function and attaching it directly to a GRR number. The person she put in charge came from the internal growth team, knew the customers deeply, and has since been promoted to VP overseeing acquisition pipeline, web, and customer marketing. For any company moving from single-product to multi-product, the existing customer base is often the fastest expansion lever — but only if someone owns it with a revenue mandate, not a comms mandate.

• Operationalizing customer centricity requires accountability structures, not culture statements. Attentive uses Gong as the baseline, but their engineering team built custom AI products on top of it — giving Keri the ability to surface win/loss trends, call patterns, and competitive signals in roughly two seconds. But the harder part, as she put it, is making sure people actually use it: product marketers listening to beta calls, field marketers tracking what objections are surfacing. Her approach is to hire for customer obsession, model it visibly, and then make it a performance expectation — not an aspiration. If you don't hold people accountable for the minutes spent listening to customers, they'll default to servicing internal stakeholders.

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Rapyd operates across 190 countries, scaling from 30 employees to 1,500 and projecting over $1 billion in ARR. Marc Winitz joined as the first marketing hire seven years ago and built a 40-person global marketing organization. Rather than following the financial services playbook of trust signals and corporate aesthetics, Marc created a brand inspired by '70s and '80s punk rock and surf culture—complete with David Guetta concerts and "no guts, no glory" messaging. The result: a brand so differentiated that competitors can't replicate it, even when they want to. Marc shares how he executed three complete rebrands, created the "Fintech as a Service" category, and turned marketing into Rapyd's competitive advantage.

Topics Discussed

• Joining Rapyd at 30 employees as first marketing hire through $1B+ ARR
• The Series B launch strategy with Stripe that created category-defining media attention
• Creating "Fintech as a Service" as a market category and why it worked
• Three complete rebrands: decision frameworks and budget ranges ($25K to multi-six figures)
• How the David Guetta concert series solved engineering recruiting in Israel and attracted VC attention
• The "sea of sameness" problem in B2B and using emotion to break through
• Building the "Build Bold" brand idea through research with hundreds of merchants across dozens of markets
• Brand pillars, voice development, and why voice matters more than visual identity
• Extending brand across stablecoins, card acquiring, and alternative payment methods
• Market-by-market launch strategy across global markets creating compounding brand effects
• Working with Known, a top-tier New York brand agency, on the current brand iteration
• Managing a 40-person marketing team that's 70% distributed outside the United States

GTM Lessons For B2B Founders

• Execute one high-leverage launch that proves marketing's strategic value: Marc's Series B launch with Stripe generated global media attention through a creative PR strategy that positioned CEO Arik Shtilman as the category spokesperson. The breakthrough came from making Arik the public voice of "Fintech as a Service" rather than issuing standard funding announcements. This single campaign permanently shifted how Rapyd's board and CEO viewed marketing investment. Identify the moment—major funding, game-changing partnership, category creation—where creative execution can deliver outsized visibility, then design a campaign that makes leadership believers.
• Category creation succeeds when you simplify the complex through familiar frameworks: Marc created "Fintech as a Service" by applying the understood cloud computing model to payments infrastructure. Six years ago, connecting global payment networks through a single API was incomprehensible to buyers. Positioning it as "the AWS of payments" made it instantly clear. Find the adjacent category or proven model your buyers already understand, then position your innovation within that framework. Own the terminology before competitors claim it. The category stuck because it explained a trillion-dollar market opportunity through an existing mental model.
• Design brands that competitors can't replicate due to organizational risk tolerance: Rapyd's punk rock aesthetic works in financial services because most companies won't take the creative risk, making the brand itself a competitive moat. Marc's team surveyed hundreds of merchants across dozens of markets, worked with top-tier agency Known for eight months, and invested multi-six figures. But the real moat isn't budget—it's willingness to be radically different in a trust-dependent industry. Most competitors saw what Rapyd did, wanted to copy it, but their risk tolerance prevented execution. Build brands that require organizational courage competitors don't have.
• Use market-by-market launches to create compounding enterprise credibility: Rapyd launched methodically in each new geographic market rather than one global announcement. Enterprise buyers in the UK would see Rapyd enter Thailand, then Mexico, building credibility through repeated proof of global expansion. Each launch reinforced the "operating in 190 countries" narrative. For companies serving multinational enterprises, treat geographic expansion as a brand-building drumbeat. Every new market entry becomes evidence of scale and momentum that compounds with previous launches.
• Rebrand when market conditions demand differentiation, not on arbitrary timelines: Marc executed three complete rebrands driven by specific triggers: business strategy shifts, competitors copying Rapyd's approach, and the "sea of sameness" problem where financial services marketing became indistinguishable. The third rebrand came when walking into Money 2020 meant seeing identical messaging, colors, and positioning across competitors. Time your rebrands to competitive conditions: when your category gets crowded with copycats, when strategy evolution makes current positioning obsolete, or when market oversaturation eliminates your differentiation.
• Establish brand foundations before investing in sophisticated creative execution: Marc's sequencing for early-stage companies: first, explain what you do clearly. Second, develop your unique selling proposition and validate it identifies a burning problem. Third, gather customer testimonials and social proof. Fourth, test messaging through founder social media. Only then invest in professional brand work. His first Rapyd brand cost under $50K and focused on communicating fintech as a service. The latest cost multi-six figures after the company had scale and validated positioning. Match brand investment to your stage.
• Prioritize brand voice over visual identity—voice creates emotional connection at every touchpoint: Marc emphasized that Rapyd's brand voice drives more value than visual elements. Voice includes the specific words used, how the company communicates across channels, and messaging style. Phrases like "Build Bold," "No Guts, No Glory," and "Liberate Global Commerce" came from extensive work defining how Rapyd speaks. The voice reflects founder personality and connects with buyers emotionally. Before investing heavily in logo and visual systems, document your brand voice: the language you use, terms you avoid, how you structure messages, and the personality that comes through in every customer interaction.

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Huntress has carved out a unique position in cybersecurity by staying laser-focused on SMBs while competitors chase enterprise deals. With 70% year-over-year growth and a tripling of company size in just two years, Chief Marketing & Growth Officer Jason Marshall joined us to break down their unconventional approach to building a marketing engine that scales from $45M to $500M ARR. Rather than following the typical cybersecurity playbook of chest-pounding about AI and technology superiority, Huntress has built their growth on a foundation of customer education, community engagement, and an unwavering commitment to making customers the hero of their story.

Topics Discussed:

• Huntress's decision to stay focused on SMB market (up to 2,000 employees) rather than moving upmarket
• The company's educational content strategy that drives 80% education, 20% product marketing
• Building and scaling a 45-person remote marketing team through rapid growth
• Transitioning from word-of-mouth and events to a comprehensive digital marketing engine
• Reddit and community marketing strategies that actually work without getting "eviscerated"
• The "Go Giver" philosophy and how it translates to measurable business results
• Channel-first strategy and why Huntress will never cut out partners
• Hiring and managing high-performing remote marketing teams

GTM Lessons For B2B Founders:

• Make customers the hero, not your technology: Jason emphasized that cybersecurity is full of "chest pounding" about AI and tech superiority, but Huntress flipped the script entirely. "We put the customer at the center of the story. They're the hero of this journey and we're just here to kind of support them." Instead of leading with features, they focus on customer outcomes and making IT professionals look like heroes within their organizations. B2B founders should resist the temptation to make their technology the star and instead position customers as the protagonist of their success story.
• Stay in your lane and dominate it: Unlike most SaaS companies that start SMB and quickly move upmarket, Huntress has stayed committed to serving businesses up to 2,000 employees. Jason uses a car analogy: "There are some great companies out there that service the people that have Formula 1 car budgets... We built a Lamborghini or Porsche... it's still fast enough to wreck hackers, but when something goes wrong, you can take your Porsche into an Audi dealership and get it fixed." B2B founders should carefully evaluate whether moving upmarket actually serves their core value proposition or if doubling down on their initial segment creates more defensible growth.
• Lead with education, not pitches: Huntress runs on the "Go Giver" principle of giving more than you take. Their content is 80% education, 20% product marketing, with Jason noting "most people are come to my webinar, book a demo, buy, buy, buy... we put the community first and we put education first." Their Reddit ads show redacted screenshots of actual attacks with the hook "If you'd like to learn how to do this yourself, click this link" rather than product demos. B2B founders should consider whether their content strategy truly educates or just sells with a thin educational veneer.
• Community marketing requires authentic value-add first: Jason shared a painful lesson about Reddit marketing: traditional ads failed completely until they shifted to showing real attack scenarios and offering free cybersecurity training. "ROI was terrible... So we kind of took a step back... Let's get back to our roots... rather than putting us at the center of the story... giving back to the community." The key insight is that community platforms will "eviscerate you if you misstep" by trying to sell first. B2B founders entering community marketing must genuinely contribute value before ever asking for anything.
• Screen for ownership mindset during hiring: Jason's primary hiring criterion is finding people who "act like owners" rather than focusing solely on skills. His screening method involves asking candidates to dive deep into a specific problem they solved: "You can tell the difference between people who've just read a bunch and know the surface level or like really solved the problem and understood it." He also uses homework assignments (unrelated to his actual business) to test work ethic. B2B founders should prioritize ownership mentality and intellectual curiosity over perfect resume matches, especially in high-growth environments.
• Over-communicate clarity in remote environments: Managing a 45-person remote marketing team requires obsessive clarity reinforcement. Jason runs weekly 90-minute business reviews with the entire marketing team, covering every function's progress, blockers, and challenges. "It is incredibly hard when you are growing as fast as we are... making sure that you have the right people on the bus, in the right seats on the bus and they understand... this is the cadence that we are going to row at." B2B founders scaling remote teams should expect to over-communicate goals, progress, and context far more than feels necessary.

 

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In this episode of Unicorn Marketers, we speak with David Gales, Head of Marketing at Oyster. David shares how he's built a lean but powerful 12-person marketing team that punches above its weight in the competitive global employment space. Starting in lifecycle marketing and evolving to lead the entire marketing function, David reveals how Oyster leverages executive thought leadership, brand authority, and customer-centric strategies to stand out in a complex B2B market. From using N-gram analysis on G2 reviews to inform messaging, to building thought leadership programs that influence revenue pipeline, David's approach demonstrates how retention-first thinking can fuel sustainable growth.

Topics Discussed

• Building sustainable growth through retention-focused marketing strategies
• Scaling executive thought leadership programs with CEO Tony Jamous
• Using customer review data to inform brand positioning and messaging
• Managing multi-persona messaging for startups vs. enterprise HR teams
• Leveraging AI tools like Claude for marketing strategy development
• Building brand authority in competitive spaces through authentic content
• Balancing performance marketing with long-term brand investments
• Creating cross-functional marketing systems that scale efficiently

Lessons For B2B Marketers

• Start With Retention Logic, Scale With Acquisition Tactics: David's evolution from lifecycle to demand generation created a foundation-first approach that prioritizes sustainable growth. By building comprehensive nurture flows and lifecycle stages before focusing on top-of-funnel acquisition, Oyster created a marketing engine designed for retention from day one. This approach becomes increasingly valuable as companies move away from growth-at-all-costs models.
• Turn Customer Language Into Marketing Copy Through Data Analysis: Oyster runs N-gram analysis on G2 reviews to identify specific word patterns customers use to describe their experience, then models this language across marketing channels. This ensures messaging authenticity while leveraging actual customer vocabulary rather than internal assumptions about how the market perceives the product.
• Build Executive Thought Leadership as a Revenue Channel: Tony Jamous's personal brand influence shows up directly in revenue pipeline through multi-touch attribution analysis. David's team created a full content strategy around executive thought leadership, treating it as a scalable growth channel rather than a nice-to-have brand exercise. The key is having systematic backend support to make it sustainable for executives.
• Use Human Intuition When Data Is Scarce: David advocates for leading with customer understanding and human intuition rather than waiting for perfect data, especially in fast-growing startups. His philosophy is that "spending too much time trying to gather data is worse than having a bad experiment," recognizing that speed of learning often trumps precision in early-stage marketing.
• Create Cross-Channel Intelligence Systems: The marketing team uses insights from one channel to optimize others - taking subject lines from lifecycle emails to use as paid search keywords. This approach treats marketing channels as interconnected puzzle pieces rather than isolated campaigns, maximizing the intelligence gathered from each touchpoint.
• Differentiate Through Specific Product Focus and Local Expertise: In a competitive employer-of-record market, Oyster differentiates through their B Corp certification and specific point of view on ethical hiring practices. Rather than trying to be everything to everyone, they leverage their unique positioning to create specific, defensible messaging that resonates with their target market.
• Balance Paid Efficiency With Long-Term Brand Plays: David views paid marketing efficiency as enabling more investment in long-term strategies like SEO and brand building. Rather than seeing performance marketing and brand marketing as competing priorities, the team uses short-term efficiency gains to fund sustainable long-term growth strategies.
• Expand Thought Leadership Beyond the CEO: Oyster amplifies voices from their VP of People and other internal experts to provide tactical value to different segments of their audience. This approach recognizes that different personas need different types of thought leadership - founders want scaling insights while HR professionals need tactical compliance and cultural guidance.

 

 

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Astera Labs is a key player in AI infrastructure, providing essential connectivity components for AI servers - including chips, modules, boards, and software. As the "nervous system" of AI servers, Astera Labs works with major hyperscalers and partners closely with GPU and CPU manufacturers. In this episode of Unicorn Marketers, we sat down with Paroma Sen, VP of Corporate Marketing at Astera Labs, to discuss her experience joining the company just before their IPO and building a marketing function from scratch in a highly technical B2B environment.

Topics Discussed:

• Joining Astera Labs with a tiny marketing team just two months before their IPO
• Building infrastructure for marketing: people, process, technology, strategy, and execution
• Breaking down complex technical messaging for seven distinct audience segments
• The evolution from a two-person marketing team to a structured department
• Balancing outsourced and in-house marketing capabilities
• Benchmarking social media performance against industry standards
• The importance of content marketing in the rapidly changing AI infrastructure space
• Crafting an information journey for each audience segment

GTM Lessons For B2B Founders:

1. Develop a tiered approach to building marketing functions: Paroma implemented what she calls the "Tiramisu Strategy" - layering infrastructure, strategy, execution planning, and alignment simultaneously. "You can't just do one without the others. You're simultaneously working on all of those layers," she explains. B2B founders should recognize that building marketing capabilities requires this layered approach rather than tackling each component sequentially.
2. Break down complex messaging for different audiences: For technical B2B companies, Paroma identifies seven distinct audiences requiring different messaging: customers, partners, investors, analysts, press, current employees, and future employees. "We don't have to say one thing and have it mean the same thing to seven different audiences," she notes. B2B founders should map out specific messaging journeys for each key stakeholder group rather than creating one-size-fits-all content.
3. Make the CFO your marketing ally: Paroma emphasizes, "A CFO should be your best friend... that's the first person you need to convince that the spends that you are proposing are the right place to spend all of that money." By securing CFO buy-in early, marketing leaders can avoid the traditional adversarial relationship and ensure smoother budget approvals. B2B founders should encourage close collaboration between marketing and finance from day one.
4. Create authentic brand presence that exceeds company size: One of Paroma's proudest achievements was when industry observers commented that Astera Labs was "showing up bigger than your brand." This perception shift demonstrates effective marketing that positions a company beyond its current scale. B2B founders should invest in brand presence that reflects their aspirations rather than just their current status.
5. Balance AI adoption with human expertise: When implementing AI in marketing, Paroma initially struggled with concerns about integrity and quality. Her team found balance by "using AI generating websites and being able to still add our human value on top of that." B2B founders should approach AI tools as efficiency enhancers that require human oversight and expertise rather than complete replacements for marketers.

 

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In this episode of Marketing Unicorns, Leslie Lee, VP of Marketing at Deel, shares her experience in leading a remote marketing team for a global HR and payroll platform. Leslie discusses Deel’s journey as a remote-first company, the challenges of managing a globally distributed team, and the strategies they’ve used to scale while staying customer-centric.

Key Topics Discussed:

• How Deel became the fastest-growing B2B startup, embracing remote work from inception.
• Leslie’s biggest marketing failure and the lessons learned about community building.
• The differences between leading marketing at Deel vs. Atlassian and adapting to remote-first cultures.
• Strategies Deel uses to build trust in a fast-moving, remote environment.
• Deel’s approach to hiring global talent outside of traditional tech hubs.
• How Leslie manages a 60-person marketing team across multiple time zones and cultures.
• Why Deel prioritizes customer-centricity, with leadership directly engaging with customers.
• How AI tools like MidJourney and content creation automation are helping Deel’s marketing team.

 

Actionable Takeaways for Remote Marketing Leaders

• Establish trust by understanding what the CEO cares about most and proving marketing’s alignment with those KPIs.
• Instead of spreading your team thin across many small trade shows, focus on fewer high-impact events with a stronger presence.
• Talent exists beyond Silicon Valley—find and develop high-potential marketers from diverse global backgrounds.
• In a remote-first world, set clear expectations early on and give your team the trust and flexibility to execute autonomously.
• Use AI for content creation, creative ideation, and translation to cut down manual work and accelerate campaigns.

 

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In this episode of Marketing Unicorns, Kristen Bryant Smith, VP of Marketing at Help Scout, shares her experiences in leading a remote marketing team for a customer support software company. Kristen discusses Help Scout’s customer-centric approach, the importance of maintaining a strong culture in remote teams, and how her team fosters innovation while delivering a seamless customer experience. [Note: this episode was originally published on our other show — The Remote CMO]

Key Topics Discussed:

• Help Scout’s customer-centric marketing approach in a remote-first environment.
• Building a strong, unified culture across a fully remote marketing team.
• Aligning marketing efforts with customer success to enhance overall brand value.
• The importance of collaboration between marketing and customer support teams.
• Strategies for maintaining productivity and creativity in a distributed team.
• Challenges in managing cross-functional teams remotely and how to overcome them.
• Fostering innovation within a customer-first mindset in remote marketing operations.

 

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In this episode of Marketing Unicorns, Micha Hershman, Chief Marketing Officer of JumpCloud, shares his experiences in leading a fully remote marketing team for a global IT management platform. Micah discusses JumpCloud's approach to remote work, strategies for fostering creativity and trust in a distributed team, and his views on current marketing trends. [Note: this episode was originally published on our other show — The Remote CMO]

Key Topics Discussed:

• JumpCloud's marketing team structure, including the integration of SDRs into the marketing department
• Strategies for driving creativity and collaboration in a remote environment
• Building trust and fostering human connections in virtual teams
• The importance of Service Level Agreements (SLAs) between marketing and sales
• Adapting marketing strategies to different business cycles and market conditions
• The role of AI in B2B marketing and its current impact
• Account-based marketing: reality vs. hype

Actionable Takeaways for Remote Marketing Leaders:

1. Be intentional about meeting types to drive creativity (fact-sharing, brainstorming, decision-making)
2. Prioritize human connection and small talk in one-on-ones to build trust
3. Implement a culture of feedback, starting with low-stakes feedback
4. Use the "do, try, consider" feedback model to guide team members
5. Create detailed SLAs between marketing and sales to improve collaboration and accountability

 

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In this episode of Unicorn Marketers, Andrew Davies, Chief Innovation Officer (previously CMO) of Paddle, shares his insights and experiences in building and managing a global remote marketing team. Andrew discusses Paddle's marketing team structure, strategies for maintaining company culture in a remote environment, and the value of sourcing talent globally. [Note: this episode was originally published on our other show — The Remote CMO]

Key Topics Discussed:

• Paddle's marketing team structure, which is split into two motions: self-serve and sales-assisted, with teams focused on brand, demand, product marketing, and BDRs
• Strategies for maintaining company culture in a remote environment, including using Slack for communication, allowing flexibility in schedules and time zones, and providing clarity on organizational goals and roles
• The value of sourcing talent globally, not just from traditional tech hubs, and the success stories of remote hires like Karthik, who was brought on board due to his online presence and resonance with Paddle's target market
• The challenges of ensuring clarity and transparency in a remote organization, and how Paddle has addressed this through initiatives like the Paddle Operating Plan
• The importance of offering a range of upskilling opportunities for remote teams, including conference attendance, learning courses, mentoring, and hands-on experience with new tools

 

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In this episode of Marketing Unicorns, Gino Palozzi, Chief Marketing Officer at DailyPay, shares his experiences and strategies for successfully leading a hybrid marketing team. Gino discusses the evolution of marketing, the importance of empathetic leadership, and how to effectively manage remote and in-office talent. [Note: this episode was originally published on our other show — The Remote CMO]

Key Topics Discussed:

• The shift in marketing from an art to a science, driven by data and technology
• The importance of empathetic leadership and understanding individual team members' needs and motivations
• Strategies for building and managing a hybrid marketing team
• Criteria for determining which roles are suitable for remote work
• Sourcing and attracting talent for a hybrid work environment
• Setting expectations and boundaries for remote team members to prevent burnout

 

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GLG created the expert economy 27 years ago, connecting decision-makers across financial services, consulting, and corporate strategy with verified experts anywhere in the world. Today, the company holds 90-95% market penetration in its two largest segments — and faces a genuine inflection point: when AI gives every client access to the same public data, what is expert access actually worth?

In a recent episode of Unicorn Marketers, we sat down with Fell Gray, Chief Marketing Officer of GLG, one year into the role. Fell walks through the data challenges, the channel rethink for a buyer allergic to traditional marketing, and how GLG is positioning human expertise as the only layer AI can't replicate.

Topics Discussed:

• Why verified human expertise becomes more valuable as AI commoditizes access to public data

• The year-one playbook: centralizing teams, realigning to business structure, finding GTM gaps in a service-forward model

• Why real-time behavioral data tied to project activity is Fell's top priority

• How to market to sophisticated buyers skeptical of traditional channels

• Building a two-sided expert network against competitors and AI training data companies

• The launch of GLG's AI Leadership Council — experts with practical AI expertise across the full tech stack

• Why GLG's messaging standard is demo-ability: no press releases that use the word AI to muddy the waters

• What's shipping: a new agentic experience, compliance tech, expanded AI moderator, and MCP integrations

GTM Lessons For B2B Marketers:

• When AI commoditizes your inputs, your differentiation is the layer AI can't touch: Verified expertise provides nuance, judgment, and direct experience language models cannot generate from public sources.

• The service team is an underutilized marketing channel: Service teams in daily contact with clients are a legitimate demand channel — equipping them for precise conversations is a marketing motion.

• Real-time behavioral data before personalization at scale: Her priority is aligning real-time project-level data to marketing execution. Data alignment first, personalization second.

• Build internal LLM tooling before buying another platform: GLG is building custom LLM-based tools to make team interactions with their own platform less labor-intensive.

• Incumbents have to earn the right to be seen as innovators: Her standard — only announce what is demoable and real. GLG works in pilot and beta before any public messaging.

• Two-sided marketplace retention requires a supply-side strategy: GLG competes for expert attention with community managers, expert events, the GLG Institute, and the AI Leadership Council.

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Briana Belisle is the Executive Vice President of Marketing at Field Nation, where she leads a 22-person team. In this episode of Unicorn Marketers, she joins Brett to break down the structure of the marketing AI hackathon she ran — the pre-training sessions, the event design, the mistake she made asking for metrics inside a safe-space event, and the workflows that actually made it to production.

Topics Discussed:

• How Field Nation's marketing org is using AI — briefs, automated manual tasks, and higher-fidelity outputs

• The three-part hackathon structure: pre-work, the event, and post-event follow-up

• The four pre-hackathon training sessions: prompt writing, custom GPTs, Zapier, and core tool functionality

• The mistake of asking for metrics inside a "safe space" event and why it broke the learning dynamic

• The workflow that made it to production: Gemini for account research → ChatGPT for tailored outreach sequences

• A revenue marketer who independently built a Chorus call scoring rubric in Claude to predict large-deal likelihood

• Team saving 4-5 hours per person per week — ~10% capacity How she structured the hackathon to work across mixed AI fluency levels

GTM Lessons For B2B Marketers:

• AI adoption fails without a forcing function: The failure mode isn't resistance — it's telling your team to experiment without protecting time. "It can come off as a very difficult message where it's like, hey, go learn AI and oh by the way, do all your other stuff." The hackathon forces the leader to commit: protect a full day or admit it isn't a real priority. There was pushback going in; results on the other side justified it.

• Run pre-event sessions before the hackathon: Most of Field Nation's team had never or rarely used AI before the first event. Briana ran four short sessions — prompt writing, custom GPTs, Zapier, core functionality — to establish what was possible. Without that baseline, teams stall during the event. The 77% jump in self-reported AI knowledge was built on that prep, not the day itself.

• Don't ask for metrics inside a safe-space event: Briana called this her clearest mistake — framing the hackathon as a confidence-building exercise, then asking participants what metric they'd move. "That was a violation of the safety element." Keep outcome accountability in the follow-up, not inside the event.

• Anchor on the problem, not the tool: When mixing fluency levels, the frame "here's a problem — how can this help solve it" works better than "here's how to use AI." Her strongest AI user owned the structure and ran short peer-led sessions with recorded examples. No certifications, no vendors.

• Expect almost nothing to ship directly: Very few projects made it to production from the hackathon. What eventually shipped was shaped by what the team explored during the event. The one example: a team member built an account-specific prompt in Gemini, executed it in ChatGPT, and produced highly tailored outreach for target accounts. The hackathon created the conditions for it.

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G2 is the world's largest software marketplace — 200,000+ products, 2,400 categories. In early 2026, G2 made its largest-ever acquisition: Capterra, Software Advice, and GetApp, adding 10,000 customers, 200 million buyers, and 6 million reviews. In a recent episode of Unicorn Marketers, we sat down with VP of Marketing Palmer Houchins to unpack what five years at the center of software buying behavior has taught him — and what G2's own research reveals about a buyer journey that has fundamentally reordered itself.

Topics Discussed:

• How AI has compressed and reordered the B2B buying journey

• The shift from SEO to AEO — and why they're less different than most assume

• Why third-party verified signals now determine AI search outcomes

• G2's acquisition of Capterra, Software Advice, and GetApp and what it unlocks for vendors

• The category creation playbook — why timing matters more than vision

GTM Lessons For B2B Marketers:

• The buyer journey hasn't gotten shorter — it's been reordered: "It's the same amount of scrutiny and everything just in a shorter time period and it's got kind of reordered." What AI has done is front-load discovery. The work that used to take six months of awareness-building now happens in a 30-minute AI session before a buyer touches your funnel. Most GTM teams are still structured for the old sequence. That mismatch is the real problem.

• Winning AI search is a corroboration game, not a content game: AI search is "the most exhaustive investigative journalist you've ever seen" — it cross-references your website claims against reviews, Reddit, and creator content. G2 rejects roughly a third of submitted reviews it can't verify. That trust infrastructure is why AI models treat it as a reliable source. The battleground for AI visibility isn't your website — it's your third-party corroboration stack.

• 69% of buyers picked a different vendor than they expected — because of AI: G2's research: 51% of buyers now start with AI, not Google. Of those, 69% chose a different vendor than they anticipated going in. Palmer's read: "If I were the incumbent, I'd be looking over my back." For startups with strong AEO presence and solid reviews, AI is actively redistributing market consideration.

• In-person is the counter-cycle investment: As PPC efficiency eroded and organic click-through collapsed under AI overviews, Palmer's team reallocated toward events and community — not just trade shows, but dinners and high-touch virtual formats. These held their conversion power precisely because everything else got noisier.

• Category creation is a timing and wind-reading exercise: Before recruiting competitors into your category, "figure out which way the wind is blowing." Getting on G2, achieving critical mass, generating quarterly grid reports — those aren't vanity moves. They build the third-party signal stack that AI search will eventually surface.

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Lindsey Irvine, Former CMO at Square, joined Unicorn Marketers to share her framework for leading a marketing organization through genuine transformation — not AI theater. She breaks down what actually stays the same in marketing's core functions, what has to change underneath them, and what entirely new roles are being created that most orgs haven't hired for yet. She also gets direct on what separates functional marketers from true business partners, and why narrative clarity may be the most undersupplied competitive advantage in B2B right now.

Topics Discussed:

• What stays, what changes, and what is entirely new in how marketing functions operate

• The two-lever framework for creating real AI experimentation capacity without killing execution

• The sprint model for forcing genuine AI-native rethinking vs. AI-assisted versions of old workflows

• How the marketing org chart is being redrawn and which new roles are emerging

• The "context librarian" concept and why it may be the most important hire you haven't considered

• What it actually takes to shift from functional marketing expert to genuine business partner

• Why narrative clarity is a strategic moat in an AI-washed market

GTM Lessons For B2B Founders:

• Treat AI transformation like a sprint, not a side project. Telling your team to use AI "when they have time" while keeping them at full capacity guarantees the status quo wins. Lindsey offers two concrete structures. The first: cut team capacity to 80% and protect 10-20% of weekly time for deliberate experimentation. The second is the ratio flip: cordon off a small group of people critical to high-value use cases, give them 80% of their time to rebuild those workflows from scratch, and only 20% to maintain current delivery. The sprint prompts she uses: Where would you involve human judgment and review? How far can an agent take it? What data from which systems? Where do things break? What does it take to reach production? The 10-20% dabble model rarely works because people default to what they know. The sprint forces genuine rethinking.

• Every marketing function should pass one test. When reimagining a function with AI-native tools, if the answer to "what would this look like?" lands exactly where you are today, you are not pushing hard enough. Start with the business outcome, build from first principles, and let the process follow.

• Hire for go-to-market thinking, not channel expertise. The old hire: five years running this system, owns this channel. The new hire: someone who understands the full go-to-market motion and ICP, thinks in systems end-to-end, and defaults to AI as the starting point for driving toward a business outcome. Deep functional expertise is giving way to broad systems orientation with AI-native instincts.

• Build a context librarian before you scale your agents. As AI agents get deployed across go-to-market workflows, their output is only as good as the context they operate on. Someone has to own this: what do the agents know, what are they allowed to know, is that knowledge current, and how is competitive context being fed in. Lindsey breaks this into three components: information architecture, market intelligence and competitive strategy, and governance. Without this role, you scale stale or wrong context at machine speed across the entire motion.

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Invisible Technologies is one of a growing field of AI vendors selling into large enterprises, and its own marketing team has become a live test case for running marketing as an AI-agent operation. In a recent episode of Unicorn Marketers, we sat down with Angela Winegar, CMO of Invisible Technologies, to get specific about how her team decomposes workflows into AI, logic, and human-judgment steps, where AI-driven customer research quietly produces false positives, and why she thinks marketing is turning into a relationship-first, sales-adjacent function.

Topics Discussed:

• A concrete framework for splitting any 10-step marketing workflow into roughly 3 generative-AI steps, 5 deterministic steps, and 2 steps that require human judgment

• Why AI sentiment analysis on sales call transcripts can mistake a checked-out "yep, sounds good" for genuine buyer engagement, and how Invisible's research tooling forces a human review of the exact flagged moments

• How Invisible's marketing agents are structured, with each marketer owning their own agent stack inside a shared repo rather than a centralized build

• A weekly product launch cadence that is roughly 90% automated from PRD to cross-channel content, built to keep pace with near-continuous feature releases

• Why Angela reframes the AI-and-headcount question around time reallocation rather than team size, moving hours out of lead-scraping and data cleaning and into designing harder-to-replicate, high-value events

• The short shelf life of a viral marketing tactic, using a real-time example of a $6,000-a-day plane-banner campaign she expects marketers to saturate within one or two quarters

• Why Angela expects marketing to increasingly resemble a "forward-deployed" function, with marketers spending real time on relationship-building work that used to sit with sales or PR

GTM Lessons For B2B Marketers:

• Decompose workflows with a specific ratio, not a vague split. Angela's rule of thumb: in a 10-step marketing workflow, expect roughly 3 steps where generative AI adds real value, 5 steps that are purely deterministic logic, and 2 steps that genuinely need human judgment. Use that ratio as a starting audit, not just a general "keep humans in the loop" principle, before assigning agents to a process.

• Don't trust AI's read on customer sentiment without spot-checking the source clips. Angela's team found that AI scraping sales calls can tag a disengaged "sounds good" as a positive signal, so they built tooling that surfaces the exact 10 to 20 transcript moments behind each AI-flagged insight for human review. If you're running AI over call recordings or support tickets for sentiment, build in a step that resurfaces raw clips, not just aggregate scores.

• Treat customer PR relationships as core GTM work, not a favor. Angela spends real time helping customer PR and comms leads build joint stories, because Fortune 100 comms teams are fielding pitches from what she calls "a billion AI startup vendors" and have no default reason to cover any one of them. She frames this shift as marketing starting to resemble a forward-deployed function, borrowing the term from the "forward deployed engineer" role she calls the hottest job in Silicon Valley right now. Build these relationships proactively, before you need the coverage.

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In five months as Senior VP of Marketing at Backstory AI (was People.ai), Kimberly Gordon solved the company's biggest barrier to revenue growth: nobody knew what they actually did. We talk through her first 90 days as a marketing leader, the data that proved the name had to change, and what happened when she presented a rebrand to an almost decade-old company.

Topics Discussed

• What to prioritize in your first 30 days as a new marketing leader

• How to reorganize a small marketing team for alignment and morale

• Why "People.ai" was actually killing deal velocity before the sales conversation

• The data patterns that forced a rebrand decision

• Orchestrating a cost-effective rebrand without big agencies

• Why February's product launch drove their highest traffic in over a year

• Building momentum through internal marketing and 1% improvements

  
  

Key GTM Insights

• The Pre-Funnel Problem: Marketing often measures what happens after someone shows up. Kimberly's insight flipped this: "There's a big delta between knowing about the brand and wanting to talk to sales and marketing needs to bridge the gap." The rebrand wasn't vanity. When she asked the room "what's the first thing you think when someone says they work at People.ai?" everyone said "HR software." A pre-funnel problem means prospects never enter your funnel at all.

• Team Over Metrics: Her first 90 days weren't about campaigns or conversion rates. She focused on team organization first. "I really try to remove blockers, whether it's like a vendor they hate working with or a process that they hate working with or they wish that they could do this." Getting concentric circles right between what people want to do and what the business needs creates momentum.

• Campaigns Not Random Acts: When asked what's moving the needle, she was specific about what works. "Campaigns, not random acts of marketing, are the things that like, really work. When every channel and every team on the marketing team is like synced up, that's when we see real results." Their February product launch delivered their highest website traffic in over a year because it was orchestrated, not scattered.

• Rebrands Need Cultural Proof: She didn't run a survey. She read the room. "I opened the presentation by saying, what is the first thing that people think when you say you work at people, AI and everyone at the same time said, HR software, HR platform." That alignment made the rebrand smooth instead of controversial.

• Internal Marketing Matters as Much as External: "Marketers have two audiences. You have customers and then you have internal. You have to marketing internally. And I think if you don't, that's when momentum stalls." She's using the rebrand itself as internal momentum fuel across the entire org.

• 1% Improvements Beat Home Run Thinking: Instead of betting everything on one big play, she builds momentum through compounding wins. "Find something that's painful and try to make it 1% better." That could be Canva templates, booking a bar for sales at an event, or getting the CEO on a podcast.

• Surgical Agency Relationships Over Full-Service: She didn't go big agency. "Agencies are typically good at very typically. Very, very, very good at one thing. And then they bring on all these ancillary services to diversify their revenue." She ran the naming and design in parallel with separate teams because she knew what she was doing in that spike area.

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Octane is a fintech platform powering point-of-sale financing for the powersports and recreational vehicle dealer network. In a recent episode of Unicorn Marketers, we sat down with Seth Lowery, Vice President of Marketing at Octane, to dig into one of the most underleveraged tools in B2B marketing: loyalty programs engineered for business partners, not consumers.

Seth has been building loyalty programs since 2014 — first at EssilorLuxottica, then across a series of enterprise B2B deployments — and brings a rare perspective: most of what's been written about loyalty is B2C, and almost none of it translates directly.

Topics Discussed:

• Why B2B loyalty architecture has to be structurally inverted from B2C

• How Octane's loyalty program went from holdout-group pilot to full multi-tier rollout in under a year

• Using marketing as a service as a high-stickiness loyalty perk in a regulated environment

• Why single-tier programs kill retention rather than protect it

• The two pillars behind Octane's loyalty strategy: partner-first branding and continuous test-and-learn

• How Seth structures AI agents as specialty direct reports — not a generalist layer

• The 10-hours-a-week framework for building AI capacity without creating burnout

GTM Lessons For B2B Founders: 

• Invert the loyalty funnel for B2B: B2C programs optimize for enrollment volume with relatively low transaction frequency per customer. Seth's point is that B2B flips this entirely — the number of customers in the funnel matters far less than transaction depth per customer. That structural difference cascades all the way down to how you build tiers: a traditional 80/20 pyramid doesn't work when most of your customers believe they're your best customer and wield enough commercial leverage that your program has to be designed around accommodating them, not filtering them out.

• Single-tier programs are quietly destroying your retention: A flat loyalty structure removes all incentive to grow — and creates an exit ramp once customers hit the ceiling. Seth's framing: if everybody's your best customer, nobody is. The mechanic he points to as genuinely sophisticated is American Airlines' rolling 12-month qualification window, where your best perks — like upgrade eligibility — are tied to the trailing 12 months of spend, not a static annual tier. That removes the classic loyalty cheat of reaching status and then defecting for the last quarter of the year. Directly applicable to any B2B program where your top partners manage engagement seasonally.

• Collapse your campaign stack with a tiered loyalty structure: Seth's reframe on loyalty is that it's not a retention program sitting at the bottom of the funnel — it's a full-funnel GTM motion. Enrollment offer to skip a tier for 60 days. Monthly promotion tied to status advancement. A retention perk that makes leaving structurally costly. All of it lives inside a single loyalty architecture instead of three separate campaign workstreams. For B2B founders spending on acquisition, engagement, and retention as disconnected line items, this is worth pressure-testing.

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