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Have you ever felt like there is a dormant, creative part of you just waiting to get out? Something you buried years, or even decades ago because life got in the way? Careers, family commitments, the daily grind, all very important but it’s so easy to push our real passions to the back burner while we go about our everyday life.

Sometimes, though, life makes the big decisions for us.

My guest today spent decades in a demanding corporate career that had nothing to do with making music. He carried melodies spinning around in his head for over twenty years, but reality meant those dreams had to wait. Then, in his middle age, redundancy hit.

Instead of seeing it purely as an ending, it ignited something that had been lying dormant inside him. It gave him the permission and the time, to step into his studio, pick up his instruments, and finally give those melodies a voice. Today, he writes, plays every instrument, records, and produces entirely on his own terms.

We’re going to be talking about creativity, reinvention, and what it actually takes to unlock that latent spark inside yourself.

So I want to ask you today: What is that creative thing inside of you that’s waiting to get out?

Bio:

Ben Phillips is a jazz rock studio musician who, following a 20-year career in Customer Experience Management for global companies, made the transition to a full-time career in music following redundancy in 2025. This opened the opportunity to explore his true passion for music recording and production. He has released 1 full album and 1 EP to date, with more releases to follow this year and next. He works and lives in Milton Keynes, England with his wife and 5 sons.

Ben's links: 

https://linktr.ee/benphillips.music

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/benphillips.music

Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/benmjphillipsmusic

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Stuart Ward grew up on a council estate in Exeter, England, obsessed with pirate radio, chart positions, and — oddly — record labels. That obsession, plus a teenage belief that Sweden had cracked the code on a fairer society, eventually carried him across the North Sea, first as a chartered accountant, then as one of Swedish television and radio's most recognisable voices for decades.

Stuart hosted Night Flight Scandinavia and Top Gear Nordic (a name he lifted straight from John Peel's old BBC show, nothing to do with cars), interviewed everyone from Paul McCartney to Barry Humphries to Pelé, ran the Polar Music Prize — often called the Nobel Prize of music — and, in between all of it, tried and failed to build a political career in the UK Labour Party before finding his footing instead in Swedish politics. He also spent over a decade at the Swedish Embassy in Bangkok and lived in Thailand for eighteen years.

In this episode, Stuart and host Bob Wells talk about chasing a dream with zero self-confidence, what changes when you go from radio to television, the etiquette of never looking starstruck, and why curiosity — not talent — might be the real secret behind a rich life.

In This Episode You'll Learn

• How a working-class boy from Exeter who could name every record label on the UK charts ended up in the Swedish music business
• Why Stuart moved to Sweden as a chartered accountant in 1973 — and why he stayed
• The real story behind the name "Top Gear Nordic" (hint: it's a John Peel tribute, not a car show)
• What it was like trading a UK parliamentary candidacy for a life with the man he loved, at a time when that wasn't something you talked about openly
• The unglamorous technical side of early live TV versus the freewheeling looseness of radio
• Why one veteran cameraman told Stuart he had a rare gift for getting people to open up on camera
• Stuart's interviews with Paul McCartney (who ended up interviewing him), Barry Humphries/Dame Edna, John Cleese, Pelé, and Björn Borg
• The Swedish concept of Jantelagen — a kind of built-in social suspicion of standing out — and how it echoes attitudes Stuart encountered growing up in England
• How Stuart came to run the Polar Music Prize, founded by ABBA's co-creator Stig Anderson to bridge classical music's snobbery and popular music's lack of respect
• Why the King of Sweden presents the Polar Music Prize the same way he presents the Nobel Prizes — and the historical reason the Nobel Peace Prize alone is awarded in Oslo, not Stockholm
• The office politics and "dinosaurs" Stuart contended with while running a prestigious international prize
• Life after presenting: over a decade working at the Swedish Embassy in Bangkok, eighteen years living in Thailand, and returning to Sweden to restart his political career with the Social Democrats
• Why door-to-door canvassing at 77 has led to some surprising language moments — including conversations in fluent Thai that stopped Swedish neighbours in their tracks
• Stuart's take on what actually produces a zest for life: curiosity, self-belief, and refusing to assume the world only exists in whatever room you happen to be standing in

Resources;

• The Polar Music Prize 
• Royal Swedish Academy of Music
• YouTube: Stuart Ward Top Gear

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It's the early 1940s. The world's biggest movie stars could have sat the war out in comfort — instead, they walked off film sets, traded tuxedos and evening gowns for uniforms, and went to fight.

This conversation features British Army veteran, Olympic discus thrower, and author Bill Tancred to explore the extraordinary true stories behind the actors who lived the wars they later portrayed on screen. From Jimmy Stewart flying 20 combat missions over Nazi Germany, to Audrey Hepburn's secret work for the Dutch Resistance, to a beloved comedy actor who turned out to be a master forger helping prisoners escape a German POW camp — this conversation uncovers the real history hiding behind some of cinema's most iconic war films.

In this episode:

• Bill's journey from Olympic athlete to military historian and author
• Jimmy Stewart's secret military rank and his return visits to his old airbase in Norfolk
• Peter Butterworth's double life as a Great Escape forger, hidden behind his comic roles
• Audrey Hepburn and Carole Lombard's contributions to the war effort
• Why some stars never spoke about what they went through — and the toll it took
• The actors who played the very battles they once fought in
• Bill's advice on which story to start with if you only read one

About the guest: Bill Tancred is a former British Army officer, two-time Olympian (1968 Mexico City, 1972 Munich), Commonwealth Games medallist, and author of British and USA Film Stars Who Served Their Countries in World War II.

🔗 Bill's book: [link] 🔗 Previous episode with Bill: [link]

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What's really behind the stone walls of a sleepy English village? 

In this live walking-tour episode, I'm joined by local historian Adrian Gombault, author of the book 'Belmesthorpe: Then and Now' for a stroll through the English village of Belmesthorpe.

We uncover Viking place names, a vanished railway, a rare 18th-century dovecote, a forgotten riot, and a surprising Cold War-era scandal, all within a village of barely 130 people.

About Adrian:

Adrian Gombault has spent the greater part of his life living in the East Midlands English village of Belmesthorpe.

In his working life he taught Classics and Business Studies at Stamford School. Now retired, he  devotes much of his time to community service.

He is author of the book, 'Belmesthorpe: Then and Now. 

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Trillions of invisible organisms produce every other breath you take — and almost no one talks about them. This week, that changes.

Bob is joined once again by Vincent Doumeizel — UN food and ocean advisor, food innovation expert, and author of The Power of Plankton — for a deep dive into the most overlooked organisms on the planet. Vincent explains how plankton produce half the world's oxygen despite making up just 0.02% of Earth's biomass, why they've never once been mentioned at a COP climate summit despite driving a third of global carbon absorption, and how understanding them could be the key to fixing some of our biggest environmental problems.

Along the way: the 100-metre-long animal you've never heard of, why diatoms can build glass shells in freezing water using none of the energy we need to make glass on land, how plankton clean your drinking water, the surprising rise of jellyfish, and why Vincent thinks we should be teaching kids about plankton instead of dinosaurs.

It's a conversation that reframes how you'll think about a single drop of water and makes a genuinely hopeful case for what's still left to discover.

In this episode:

• Why Vincent moved from working on world hunger to seaweed, and then to plankton
• What plankton actually is (it's a behaviour, not a species) — and why jellyfish, viruses, and bacteria all count
• How phytoplankton invented photosynthesis billions of years ago — and once poisoned the planet with oxygen
• Why half of all the oxygen we breathe comes from organisms that make up almost none of the planet's biomass
• The Plankton Manifesto: bringing 30 of the world's top scientists together to put plankton on the UN's radar
• How plankton could help us cut carbon, replace plastic packaging, fuel planes, and even light cities
• Why Vincent remains optimistic about the future of the ocean, despite the scale of the crisis

About the guest: Vincent Doumeizel is an advisor to the United Nations, a food innovation expert, and the author of The Power of Plankton and The Seaweed Revolution. He has spent his career working at the intersection of food systems, ocean health, and climate, and recently spoke to an audience of nine million listeners on the BBC about the importance of plankton.

Links & resources:

• 📖 The Power of Plankton by Vincent Doumeizel — [link]
• 📖 The Seaweed Revolution by Vincent Doumeizel — [link]
• 🔗 Vincent Doumeizel Profile — [link]
• 🔗 The UN Plankton Manifesto — [link]

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What happens when a parent leaves not just their family, but the entire world they once knew?

In this episode, I talk with author and memoirist Lily Dunn about her powerful memoir Sins of My Father. When Lily was six years old, her father abandoned the family to join a spiritual movement that would shape the course of both his life and hers. We discuss the lasting effects of childhood abandonment, the allure of cults and alternative communities, the complicated nature of love and forgiveness, and why understanding our parents doesn't always mean excusing them.

Lily also shares insights into the craft of memoir writing, including how to write honestly about family, navigate difficult memories, and transform personal experiences into stories that resonate with others.

Whether you're interested in family dynamics, personal growth, or the art of storytelling, this is a fascinating conversation about making sense of the past and finding meaning in the stories we tell ourselves.

Highlights from our conversation:

• Why Lily's father left his family to join a spiritual commune
• The hidden effects of childhood abandonment
• Boarding school syndrome and its lifelong impact
• How cults attract people searching for belonging
• The difference between understanding and forgiving
• What makes a compelling memoir
• Why everyone may have a story worth telling
• The ethics of writing about family and personal history

Lily's links:

https://lilydunn.co.uk/

Books - https://lilydunn.co.uk/books/

Substack - https://lilydunn.substack.com/

Writing Courses - https://www.londonlitlab.co.uk/

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What do you do when life suddenly changes direction?

In this episode I'm joined by author and former production editor David Hermakowski. David talks about resilience, reinvention, and finding purpose after unexpected challenges. Following a major health scare and brain surgery, David faced questions about identity, recovery, and what comes next.

We explore major life changes as a new beginning, the importance of mindset and meaning, the power of creativity, and why life's greatest setbacks can become opportunities for growth.

A thoughtful conversation about courage, purpose, and writing the next chapter when life doesn't follow the script.

Link to book: https://www.amazon.com//dp/B0GFP8FZTT   

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What happens when the life you've built no longer fits?

In this episode we hear from author, journalist, and book coach Carolyn Flynn to discuss her memoir Boundless and the unexpected opportunities that can emerge during life's biggest transitions.

As a single mother preparing to send her twins off to college while facing uncertainty in her journalism career, Carolyn found herself confronting a question many people face but few discuss: Who are you when your core identities begin to change?

Carolyn discusses the difference between memoir and autobiography, the power of storytelling, and why personal reinvention isn't just for the young. Carolyn shares insights on emotional agility, resilience, creativity, and what she calls "the second adulthood"—a stage of life where experience, wisdom, and freedom can combine to create entirely new possibilities.

Whether you're interested in writing, navigating change, or simply curious about what comes next in life, this conversation offers thoughtful perspectives on transformation, purpose, and the courage to begin again.

In this episode:

• Why Carolyn wrote Boundless
• The difference between a memoir and an autobiography
• How journaling can help us understand our lives
• The role of storytelling in personal growth
• Emotional agility and navigating uncertainty
• Why reinvention becomes possible at any age
• The concept of a "second adulthood"
• Lessons from journalism, writing, and creativity
• Advice for aspiring memoir writers

About Carolyn Flynn

Carolyn Flynn is an author, journalist, and book coach. Her memoir Boundless explores identity, change, and the possibilities that emerge when life takes an unexpected turn. She works with writers around the world, helping them turn their stories into compelling books.

Links:

https://www.carolynflynn.com/

https://www.instagram.com/carolyn_flynn/

Book - Boundless 

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Animal welfare expert Laura Foster joins host Bob Wells to reveal the hidden realities behind dog rescue, rehoming and responsible pet ownership in the UK.

If you've ever adopted a rescue dog, worried about your pet's behaviour, or wondered what really goes on inside animal welfare organisations like Dogs Trust and the RSPCA this episode is for you.

Laura Foster is a senior animal welfare professional and behaviour specialist at Dogs Trust, the UK's largest dog rehoming charity. With a Master's degree in Animal Behaviour and Welfare and a background spanning management consultancy, the Donkey Sanctuary Ireland, and 22 Dogs Trust rehoming centres across the UK, Laura brings rare insight into what modern animal welfare actually looks like, behind the heartwarming headlines. 

In this episode we cover:

• The post-COVID dog behaviour crisis and why thousands of UK dogs are being surrendered right now
• What animal cruelty really looks like — and why most owners don't recognise it
• The truth about breed-specific legislation and the XL Bully ban
• Why farm animal welfare is the biggest — and most ignored — issue in the sector
• How to get involved in animal welfare as a volunteer, foster carer or career professional
• The Dogs Trust behaviour services that could save your dog from being rehomed

Whether you're a dog owner, animal lover, aspiring vet or welfare professional, this is a conversation that will change the way you think about the animals in our lives.

Links:

https://www.dogstrust.org.uk/

https://www.thedonkeysanctuary.ie/

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In this episode we meet pioneering wolf biologist and author Diane Boyd who talks  about her extraordinary four decades studying wolves in the remote wilderness of Montana near Glacier National Park.

In the 1970s she was the only female biologist in the United States researching and radio-collaring wild wolves. With her two dogs for company she faced the rigours of the Montana winter in an isolated cabin without running water or electricity.

In our conversation we  discuss what wolves are really like, how wolf packs function, the myths and fears surrounding these animals, and the dramatic return of wolves to the American West. Diane also shares stories of tracking wolves through deep snow, living off-grid in bear country, and the challenges of balancing conservation with human conflict.

The conversation is based around Diane’s memoir, A Woman Among Wolves — a fascinating account of life spent among one of nature’s most misunderstood predators.

Resources:

https://www.dianekboyd.com/

Book: A Woman Among Wolves 

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We’re back in Stamford with historian Bill Cunningham, uncovering the town’s hidden past.

From Burghley House to the famous George Hotel. Expect wild stories of bull runs, political corruption, and unforgettable local characters in one of England’s most beautiful towns. 

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Most of us like to think our decisions are grounded in facts. Whether it’s in medicine, business, or everyday life, we assume the “best” option rises to the top through clear evidence.

But for most of history — and even today — that hasn’t really been the case.

In this episode, I talk with science journalist Helen Pearson, author of Beyond Belief: How Evidence Shows What Really Works, about the surprisingly recent rise of evidence-based thinking, why it transformed fields like medicine, and why it still struggles to take hold in others.

We discuss how doctors once relied more on authority than data, why a single study can be misleading, and how systematic reviews became the gold standard for figuring out what actually works. Helen also explains how these ideas have spread into social policy and business — with mixed success — and why human nature often resists evidence, even when it’s right in front of us.

Along the way, we get into how to spot bad claims, why misinformation spreads so easily today, and how you can become a sharper, more evidence-minded thinker in your own life.

Show Highlights

• Why evidence-based medicine is a surprisingly recent development
• The two pioneers who helped change how doctors make decisions
• What was wrong with the old “eminence-based” approach
• Why one study rarely tells you the truth
• What a systematic review is and why it matters
• How the Cochrane Collaboration helps doctors cut through information overload
• The challenge of dealing with millions of new studies every year
• What COVID revealed about our evidence systems under pressure
• How evidence-based thinking moved into social policy and reduced poverty
• Why most policies and programs still aren’t properly tested
• The problem with “HIPPOs” (Highest Paid Person’s Opinion) in business
• Why management is especially vulnerable to fads and trends
• How AI is both helping and complicating scientific research
• Why evidence alone isn’t enough to make decisions
• How to teach kids (and yourself) to spot bad claims
• Simple “evidence hacks” you can use in everyday life

Resources Related to the Podcast

• Beyond Belief: How Evidence Shows What Really Works by Helen Pearson
• The Cochrane Collaboration
• Helen Pearson

If you’re looking to make better decisions — in your work, your health, or your everyday life — this episode will give you a clearer lens for separating what works from what just sounds good.

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In this re-released episode of Undercurrent Stories, we revisit our powerful conversation with Rita Gigante — author, healer, psychic, and daughter of the infamous mafia boss Vincent “The Chin” Gigante.

Rita shares her extraordinary journey growing up in the shadow of one of New York’s most feared crime families, the trauma and secrets she carried from childhood, and how those experiences led her toward a life of healing, spirituality, and personal transformation.

This is a remarkable story of resilience, redemption, and finding light in the darkest places.

Originally released as one of our earlier episodes, this conversation remains as compelling and thought-provoking today as ever.

https://www.ritagigante.net/

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Imagine sitting down at a gig in Stockholm, striking up a conversation with the person next to you, and realising you’re talking to a man who didn't just witness music history—he helped package and sell it. From the tactile era of vinyl to the invisible world of streaming, he’s seen it all.

Today’s episode is a special one. It’s the result of a chance meeting at a Quint Starkie gig with a man named Sven Ake Peterson. Sven spent his entire career as a music executive for EMI in Sweden.

We’re talking about a career spent in the company of icons—David Bowie, Paul McCartney, Tina Turner—but more than that, we’re talking about the soul of the industry. We dive into the transition from physical records to the digital age, what it actually takes to 'make it,' and where the music world is heading next.

 Beyond the industry talk, this conversation is a testament to why you should always talk to strangers. You truly never know what you might learn or whose hand you’re shaking. Here is my conversation with the incredibly warm and insightful, Sven Ake Peterson.

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World War II is often told through a European lens—but across Asia, a parallel history unfolded that claimed tens of millions of lives.

In this episode, Jenny Chan shares how her grandmother’s story led her to uncover overlooked WWII atrocities, digitise over a million archival documents, and preserve survivor accounts before they disappear. We explore why this history remains largely untold—and why that matters today.

🧠 What You’ll Learn

•  Why WWII in Asia is often overlooked 
•  What Unit 731 was 
•  How politics shaped historical memory 
•  Why preserving survivor stories matters 
•  How history can repeat itself

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🔗 Resources

•  Pacific Atrocities Education https://www.pacificatrocities.org/
•  Jenny Chan’s books

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What is the paranormal—really?

Author and speaker Neil Nixon joins the show to explore ghosts, UFOs, and the limits of human understanding. From eerie encounters to cutting-edge theories about consciousness, this episode challenges what we think we know about reality.

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📚 About Neil Nixon

Neil Nixon is a writer, speaker, and former academic with a lifelong interest in the paranormal. He has written extensively on unexplained phenomena and regularly gives talks exploring the intersection of science, belief, and mystery.

🌐 Find Out More

• Neil’s website: https://neilnixon.com/
• Speaking & bookings: Search Neil Nixon Speaking

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🎧 Final Thought

The paranormal may not just be about what’s “out there”…
 It might be about how little we truly understand ourselves.

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How do you tell the story of 4.5 billion years of Earth’s history in a way that’s engaging and easy to understand?

In this episode, I talk with Jamie Woodward, Professor of Physical Geography at the University of Manchester about his book A Little History of the Earth. Jamie explains how scientists piece together the planet’s deep past—from the formation of the universe to the shifting of continents, the age of dinosaurs, and the powerful forces that have shaped our landscapes.

We discuss why Earth has always been a dynamic planet, how short “bite-sized” chapters can make big history accessible, and what studying deep time can teach us about today’s environmental challenges.

If you’re curious about geology, natural history, and the story of our planet, this episode offers a fascinating introduction to Earth’s epic past. 🌍

Highlights From Our Conversation

• Why Jamie chose to tell the story of Earth through short, bite-sized chapters
• How scientists reconstruct events that happened billions of years ago
• The dramatic forces that shaped Earth: plate tectonics, volcanoes, ice ages, and asteroid impacts
• The rise and fall of the dinosaurs
• How rivers, glaciers, and oceans sculpt the landscape we live in
• Why Earth’s climate has changed dramatically throughout history
• The concept of the Anthropocene — and why humans are now a geological force
• How learning Earth’s story can make us more curious and more responsible about the planet’s future

Link to Jamie's Book 'A Little History of The Earth.'

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Why do so many breakthroughs happen by accident—and can we create the conditions for them?

In this episode of the Undercurrent Stories Podcast, Bob Wells speaks with innovation expert and author Paul Sloane about his book The Art of Unexpected Solutions.

They explore creativity, innovation, lateral thinking, and problem solving, and how mistakes and unexpected events have led to some of the world’s most important discoveries.

Whether you're interested in business ideas, personal development, or creative thinking, this conversation offers practical ways to challenge assumptions and spot opportunities others miss. 

Topics:
Creativity • Innovation • Lateral Thinking • Problem Solving • Personal Development 

Links:

Book 'The Art of Unexpected Solutions'

Paul's website: https://www.destination-innovation.com/

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It started with a walk… and a few unusual stones in a field.

In the smallest county in England, a chance discovery during lockdown led to one of the most remarkable Roman finds in recent years—a mosaic hidden beneath the soil for nearly 2,000 years.

In this episode, I’m joined by Jim Irvine, the man who found it, as we walk the very ground where the discovery was made.

From oyster shells and satellite images to uncovering a Roman villa, this is the story of how curiosity uncovered history.

If you’d like to explore the story further, Jim’s book Finding Troy is available now. Book link - Finding Troy 

👣 Explore Your Own Local History

Jim’s advice:
 "Start with maps, aerial images, and local records—you might be surprised what’s beneath your feet."

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What does it mean to inherit one of the most famous family legacies in the world?

In this episode of Undercurrent Stories, Bob speaks with Ned Guinness, the current head of the Guinness family, 4th Earl of Iveagh, and author of Guinness: The Family Succession.

Drawing on private family archives, Ned reflects on legacy, responsibility, Irish history, philanthropy, and the small decisions that shape generations — revealing the human story behind the Guinness name beyond the brand.

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Featured Book

📖 Guinness: The Family Succession

In This Episode, You’ll Hear About:

• The real human story behind the Guinness name
• Growing up inside an historic family legacy
• The Guinness family’s role in Irish history and philanthropy
• How small decisions can shape generations
• Navigating politics, religion, and social inequality
• Lessons on responsibility, resilience, and stewardship
• Reflections on Netflix’s The House of Guinness
• Why preserving family history — honestly — matters

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Why does religion bring people together?

In Part Two of this three part mini-series on the history of religion, Professor Robin Dunbar explores how rituals like singing, prayer, music, and shared worship strengthen social bonds and create deep feelings of belonging.

We examine the science of endorphins, Dunbar’s Number, friendship layers, and why humans seem wired for community — revealing religion as a powerful social technology.

A fascinating look at belief as connection, not just faith.

Guest

Professor Robin Dunbar — evolutionary psychologist, author of Dunbar’s Number

Book - How Religion Evolved (more info)

Next Episode

 Part 3 — Empires, Power & the Future of Belief 

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Where did religion come from — and why did humans start believing?

In Part One of this three-part mini-series, evolutionary psychologist Professor Robin Dunbar explores how religion may have emerged from early human cognition, language, imagination, and our awareness of death.

We look at early spirituality, trance, symbolic thinking, and the evolutionary foundations of belief — long before organised religion or sacred texts.

A science-led journey into the origins of faith and what it reveals about the human mind.

Guest

Professor Robin Dunbar — evolutionary psychologist, author of Dunbar’s Number

Book - How Religion Evolved (more info)

Next Episode

Part 2 — Religion as Social Glue: Ritual, Bonding & Community

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How has religion shaped civilizations — and where is belief heading next?

In the final episode, Professor Robin Dunbar examines how religion helped build societies, fueled conflict, responded to crisis, and continues to influence the modern world.

From ancient empires to modern secular life, we explore whether religion is declining, transforming, or preparing for a resurgence — and what that means for humanity’s future.

A thought-provoking conclusion to the mini-series.

Guest

Professor Robin Dunbar — evolutionary psychologist, author of Dunbar’s Number

Book - How Religion Evolved (more info)

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In this episode , we speak with author Sonia Daccarret about her memoir The Roots of a Guava Tree — a deeply personal exploration of childhood, identity, memory, and belonging .

Growing up in Colombia in the 1980s, Sonia reflects on a life shaped by cultural hybridity, political change, and family history — with a Jewish mother and a Christian Palestinian father, and no single religious label to claim . She shares what it meant to come of age during a time of violence and transformation, and how revisiting her past through writing brought clarity, empathy, and peace .

We explore the symbolism of the guava tree, the ethics of writing memoir, the power of inherited stories, and why preserving personal history matters — not just for writers, but for anyone seeking to better understand where they come from .

This is a conversation about roots, memory, migration, and the quiet forces that shape our lives beneath the surface.

In This Episode

• Growing up in Cali during Colombia’s era of change
• Navigating identity across cultures and faiths
• Writing memoir with honesty and ethical care
• The meaning behind The Roots of a Guava Tree
• Why telling family stories preserves legacy and connection

Guest
Sonia Daccarret — Author of The Roots of a Guava Tree
Website: https://www.soniadaccarett.com/

Listen If You Enjoy

• Literary memoir
• Identity, migration, and belonging
• Family stories and cultural history
• Reflective, story-driven conversations

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In this episode, I’m joined by musician and songwriter Francis Dunnery for a wide-ranging and deeply personal conversation. 

Francis Dunnery is best known as the lead singer and guitarist for the British prog-pop band It Bites. After leaving the band in 1990, he launched a diverse solo career, releasing over ten original albums spanning progressive rock, pop, folk, R&B, and blues. A versatile musician, Dunnery has also worked extensively as a sideman and musical contributor for major artists, including Robert Plant (Led Zeppelin), Carlos Santana, Lauryn Hill, Chris Difford (Squeeze) James Sonefeld (Hootie and The Blowfish and Ian Brown (The Stone Roses).

We talk about growing up in 1970s Britain, nostalgia, memory, creativity, and how those experiences have shaped his new project, England’s Tales of the Council House Kid. From music and storytelling to youth, ageing, and the moments that define us, this is a thoughtful, funny, and honest chat with an artist still very much following his own path.

For details of the Feb '26 tour and links to Francis's website see below;

https://francisdunnery.com/

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What if sound could help you switch off, slow down, and reset your nervous system?

In this episode of Undercurrent Stories, I'm joined by Cherub Sanson, sound healer and co-founder of the Academy of Integrated Sonic Medicine. 

We explore why sound can calm the nervous system more quickly than many other well-being practices, how vibration influences stress, sleep, and focus, and why sound healing has moved from the margins into the mainstream. Drawing on science, lived experience, and ancient traditions, Cherub explains what sound healing actually is — and what it isn’t.

The conversation looks at sound as a practical tool for modern life: accessible, non-verbal, and effective even for people who struggle with meditation. The episode ends with a short live sound meditation, giving listeners a direct experience of the ideas discussed.

In this episode:

• How sound regulates the nervous system
• Why we respond to sound before thought
• Sound healing vs meditation — and how they work together
• Stress, sleep, and emotional release
• Ancient practices and modern science
• A live sonic meditation to close the episode

Listen with headphones for the best experience.

🔗 Links & Resources

• Academy of Integrated Sonic Medicine: ( link)
• Cherub is  co-host of the Soundpower Podcast with Martyn Ware (Heaven 17):  (link)
• Undercurrent Stories Podcast: (link)

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How to Listen to Animals: What They’re Really Trying to Tell Us: Amelia Thomas

In this episode of Undercurrent Stories, host Bob Wells explores animal communication, listening to animals, and the lost human ability to hear what the natural world is telling us.

Bob is joined by Amelia Thomas, journalist, author, and naturalist, whose book What Sheep Think About the Weather: How to Listen to What Animals Are Trying to Say examines how animals speak through sound, behaviour, movement, subtle signals and how humans can relearn the skill of listening.

From neuroscience and animal behaviour science to tracking, indigenous knowledge, and intuition, this conversation looks at how animals communicate without words, why modern life has weakened our ability to notice these signals, and how learning to listen again can deepen our connection to animals, nature, and ourselves.

Whether you live with pets, work with animals, or simply want to understand the natural world more deeply, this episode offers practical insight into listening to animals, slowing down, and paying attention to what’s always been around us.

In This Episode, We Discuss:

• How animals communicate through sound, behaviour, and silence
• What science reveals about animal emotions and individuality
• Why humans have lost the ability to listen to animals
• The link between listening, mindfulness, and awareness
• Indigenous tracking and intuitive ways of knowing animals
• How better listening improves relationships with pets and wildlife

About the Guest

Amelia Thomas is a journalist, author, and naturalist based in Nova Scotia. Her work focuses on animal behaviour, communication, and the human–animal relationship. Her book What Sheep Think About the Weather blends scientific research, lived experience, and ancient knowledge to explore how humans can learn to listen to animals again.

Links:

https://www.ameliathomas.co.uk/

Book: What Sheep Think About the Weather

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What happens when a world war collides with centuries of unresolved tension?

In the final episode of our mini-series on the Irish Troubles,  Dr Thomas Leahy guides us from the outbreak of the First World War through to the conditions that ignited what we now call the Troubles. This is the turning point — where long-standing fears, loyalties, and political gambles harden into something far more dangerous.

We explore how Home Rule was postponed by global conflict, why armed movements emerged on all sides, and how moments like the Easter Rising reshaped Irish and British politics forever. Along the way, we ask difficult questions: when does resistance become rebellion, and how do historical memories turn into modern conflict?

This episode connects the dots between past and present, revealing how decisions made under pressure echoed across generations.

🎧 In this episode, you’ll discover:

• Why World War I changed everything for Ireland
• How the Easter Rising shocked Britain and divided Irish opinion
• The roots of partition and the birth of Northern Ireland
• How competing ideas of loyalty, identity, and power set the stage for the Troubles

If you want to understand how and why the Troubles began, this episode is essential listening.

👉 If you haven’t already, we recommend listening to Episodes 1 and 2 first for full context.

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Links: https://drthomasdmleahy.com/#/

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How did centuries of history shape the Irish Troubles?

In this second episode about the history of 'The Troubles' Dr Thomas Leahy traces the roots of the conflict from the 17th century to the eve of the First World War. From Cromwell and the plantations to rebellion, famine, and the fight for Home Rule, this episode reveals how power, religion, and identity became deeply entangled in Ireland.

Rather than starting with violence, this conversation shows how division was built slowly — through laws, land, loyalty, and memory.

You’ll learn:

• Why religion became inseparable from politics in Ireland
• How discrimination and land ownership shaped identity
• Why events like the Great Famine still matter today
• How Ireland came close to civil war before WWI

This episode connects the dots and sets the stage for understanding the Troubles themselves.

🎧 Best enjoyed after Episode One.

Look out for our next episode which complete our journey through the history of the Irish Troubles.

Links: https://drthomasdmleahy.com/#/

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In today’s episode, (the first of 3), we take a deep dive into one of the most defining and emotionally charged chapters of modern British and Irish history — the Troubles. With the anniversary of the Downing Street Declaration approaching, this is a timely and gripping dive into the people, politics, and centuries-long tensions that shaped the conflict.

Many of us, myself included, were brought up during 'The Troubles' and never fully understood the long history of division and conflict associated with it. To help make sense I'm joined by Dr. Thomas Leahy, senior lecturer in British and Irish politics, who guides us through the centuries of division, identity, and power struggles that set the stage for the Troubles.

Look out for the next 2 episodes which complete our journey through the history of the Irish Troubles.

Links: https://drthomasdmleahy.com/#/

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Why is English always changing—and why does that change so often make us uneasy? In this fascinating conversation, we're joined by linguist, author, and University of Michigan Dean Professor Anne Curzan to explore how English evolves, who influences that change, and what our reactions to new words and usages reveal about culture, identity, and power.

Anne shares insights from her latest book Says Who? A Kinder, Funner Usage Guide for Everyone Who Cares About Words, and unpacks everything from the rise of pronouns and slang to the hidden rules behind texting, emojis, and intensifiers like “super.” Along the way, Anne explains why dictionaries don’t tell us how to use language—they reflect how we already use it.

Whether you’re a dedicated word-lover, a reformed “grammando,” or simply curious about how English works, this episode offers a lively, accessible look at the stories behind the way we speak today.

In This Episode

• Why language change can feel unsettling—and why it shouldn’t
• The origins of words like grammando and wordie
• Americanisms in the UK and Britishisms making their way into the US
• Why prescriptive grammar rules (like not ending sentences with prepositions) often don’t reflect how English actually works
• How kids naturally acquire grammar—and what their “mistakes” teach us
• What dictionaries really do (and don’t do)
• How texting, punctuation, and emojis function as a new kind of tone and gesture
• The evolution of singular they—and why it’s not a modern invention
• Why language is more like fashion than we think
• How technological change and global contact influence the pace of language evolution

About Anne Curzan

Professor Anne Curzan is  the Geneva Smitherman Collegiate Professor of English, Linguistics, and Education at the University of Michigan, where she also served as the dean of the College of Literature, Science, and the Arts from 2019 - 2024. Her most recent book is Says Who? A Kinder, Funner Usage Guide for Everyone Who Cares About Words (2024).

 Resources & Links

• Book: Says Who? A Kinder, Funner Usage Guide for Everyone Who Cares About Words
• Anne’s website: (https://annecurzan.com/)

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'Beer built the fortune but the stories and legacy that the Guinness's left behind are far richer.'

Most people know the beer few know the people or the houses. Join me in conversation with historian, Adrian Tinniswood as he takes us on a lavish journey through the Houses of Guinness. Footmen, lavish parties, eccentric rituals—Adrian takes us inside the world most of us only see in period dramas.

The Houses of Guinness weren't just beautiful homes, they were engines of power. Adrian reveals what they tell us about empire, class and ambition.

We hear about:

• The Guinness connection to Irish, British and Global history
• What wealth was really like in the age of aristocracy
• Scandals
• Their generous philanthropy
• Human stories

Adrian's new  book, 'The Houses of Guinness' is out now see (link)

Adrian Tinniswood is a professorial research fellow in history at the University of Buckingham, adjunct professor of history at Maynooth University, and one of the foremost experts on the history of British country homes. He has authored many books including The Long Weekend, Noble Ambitions, The Power and the Glory and his latest book, The Houses of Guinness, is out now (link).

Episode credits

Host: Bob Wells

Guest: Adrian Tinniswood

Music: Bob Wells

Hosted on Buzzsprout. 

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Have you ever wondered why some people always seem to get the best opportunities — the ideal job, the perfect house, or even a place for the kids in the school everyone wants — while others, just as qualified, miss out?

It’s tempting to call it luck. But what if luck isn’t random at all — what if it’s designed?

My guest today, Judd Kessler, is a professor at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania and one of the leading thinkers in behavioural economics and market design. His new book, Lucky by Design: The Hidden Economics You Need To Get More of What You Want, reveals the invisible systems that quietly decide who gets what — not through prices or money, but through rules, algorithms, and priorities we rarely think about.

In this conversation, we’ll explore how these hidden markets shape everything from job offers to organ donations, why fairness and efficiency don’t always go hand in hand, and what you can do to navigate these systems more wisely.

It’s a conversation about luck, design, and the unseen forces organising our lives.

Links:

Book- Lucky by Design: The Hidden Economics You Need To Get More of What You Want

Judd's website - https://juddbkessler.com/

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Today, on Undercurrent Stories, we turn our attention to the grand sweep of human history — from the hunter-gatherers of the Paleolithic to the great empires of Egypt and Rome, and onward to our interconnected, fragile world of today.

At the heart of our discussion lies a question as old as civilisation itself: why do societies rise — and why do they fall?

My guest is Dr Luke Kemp, a researcher at the University of Cambridge’s Centre for the Study of Existential Risk and author of Goliath’s Curse. In it, he challenges many of the stories we tell ourselves about progress and civilisation — arguing that the very forces that built our modern world may also contain the seeds of its undoing.

We’ll explore the archaeological and historical evidence for collapse, the myths of Hobbesian human nature, and whether our global, technological Goliath can be restrained before it destroys itself.

So join us, as we ask: what can the past teach us about surviving the future?

Links:

Book: Goliath's Curse

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 For centuries, humans have looked to the sky in search of signs. Today, our tools are satellites and data models rather than clouds and folklore. In this episode, we hear from Thomas Weber about the people and technology transforming meteorology, and how accurate forecasts are reshaping lives across the globe. 

About Thomas;

Thomas E. Weber is an American journalist and author known for exploring the intersection of science, technology, and society. A Princeton graduate, he began his career at The Wall Street Journal, where he became the paper’s first internet columnist and later a bureau chief.

He later held senior editorial roles at Newsweek/The Daily Beast and TIME magazine, and has taught journalism at Princeton, Columbia, and NYU.

Thomas's  2025 book, Cloud Warriors, explores how scientists and technologists are transforming weather forecasting in the era of climate change. He lives in New York City with his family.

Links;

https://www.thomaseweber.com/

Book - Cloud Warriors

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Paleontologist and author Armin Schmitt returns to the show where we explore two remarkable dinosaur discoveries that are reshaping what we know about life millions of years ago.

From the longest dinosaur trackway ever uncovered in Oxfordshire, England, to the first-ever discovery of fossilised gut contents inside a sauropod in Australia, Armin shares the science — and the stories — behind these once-in-a-lifetime finds.

We hear how ancient footprints reveal the daily lives of long-necked giants, what a 100-million-year-old meal can teach us about dinosaur diets, and how new technologies are helping paleontologists read the Earth’s oldest stories written in stone.

Armin takes us on a journey through deep time — from Jurassic lagoons to Cretaceous forests — filled with curiosity, wonder, and the enduring human desire to understand the world beneath our feet.

🧭 In This Episode

• How scientists discovered the longest continuous dinosaur trackway in Europe
• What fossilised gut content reveals about sauropod diets for the first time in history
• The technology behind modern paleontological excavations and 3D mapping
• Why dinosaurs’ behaviour, speed, and environment still hold mysteries
• The story behind Armin’s  book, The Lost World of the Dinosaurs, and his upcoming children’s project

🔗  Links

• Guest: Armin Schmitt – Paleontologist & Author
  • 📘 The Lost World of the Dinosaurs
  • 🌐 Follow Armin on [LinkedIn] | [Instagram] | [Youtube] 
• Undercurrent Stories: https://www.undercurrentstories.com/

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In this episode, we explore the the biggest question of all: How did we get here? Joining me is Professor Tim Coulson, biologist and zoologist at the University of Oxford and author of A Little History of Everything: From the Big Bang to You.

Tim traces our story from the birth of the universe to the emergence of life and consciousness — touching on physics, chemistry, biology, and the scientific method that ties it all together.

It’s an enlightening, accessible, and awe-inspiring conversation that connects the dots between science and existence itself.

Links:

Book:  A Little History of Everything: From the Big Bang to You.

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In this episode I'm delighted to welcome musician, producer and sound pioneer Martyn Ware to the show.

Martyn takes us back to his Sheffield roots and shares how the experimental beginnings of The Human League led to the formation of Heaven 17. He opens up about the split with Phil Oakey, the creation of groundbreaking tracks like Being Boiled, and how Heaven 17 carved out their place in 80s synthpop history.

Beyond the hits, Martyn reflects on his production work — including helping relaunch Tina Turner’s career — and his passion for immersive 3D soundscapes. He also discusses the power of music for creativity, connection, and wellbeing.

Highlights include:

• Early days of The Human League and the Sheffield electronic scene
• The moment that inspired Heaven 17
• Stories from the studio with Tina Turner and Terence Trent D’Arby
• Martyn’s new podcastSoundpower and his exploration of sound and healing
• The legacy of synthpop and why fans still follow Heaven 17 today

Whether you grew up on 80s electronic music or you’re discovering it fresh, this conversation is full of stories, insight, and inspiration from one of the genre’s true innovators.

LInks:

Soundpower Podcast 

Heaven 17  (includes tour dates)

Autobiography: Electronically Yours 

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Today we have a really special guest with us. An international athlete, he competed in the 1968 and 1972 Summer Olympics in the discus and won bronze and silver  medals in successive Commonwealth games from 1970 to 1974. He was the British National discus champion on 7 occasions and held the British record for 25 years.

Since then he has been a leading sports administrator, academic and author and so I am delighted to welcome a true titan of British athletics - Bill Tancred!

Links to Bill's books - Bill Tancred: An Ordinary Olympian But What a Life

   British and USA Film Stars of WW11

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In this enlightening episode, we delve into the profound impact of music on the human brain. Join us as we explore how melodies and rhythms can evoke emotions, enhance mental health, and serve as a powerful therapeutic tool. 

With insights from leading neuroscientist Stefan Kölsch, discover the science behind music's ability to heal and transform our minds. Whether you're a music enthusiast or curious about its healing potential, this episode offers a captivating journey into the world of sound therapy.

About Stefan

Stefan is a professor of Biological and Medical Psychology and Music Psychology at the University of Bergen. His work explores how music shapes the brain, emotions and health. In addition to scientific articles, he writes popular science books that make complex research accessible to a wider audience.

https://www.stefan-koelsch.de/

His latest book, 'Good Vibrations: Unlocking the Healing Power of Music' is available now. Click to order.

Episode image photo: Niels Westra

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Today I’m joined by returning guest Steve Carroll — artist, lecturer, and author of the Diaspora science fiction series.

In this episode, Steve opens up about the creative process behind his writing, and we dive deep into the role of characters in storytelling — how they evolve, why they matter, and what they can teach us about resilience, belonging, and transformation.

It’s an inspiring discussion not just for writers or sci-fi fans, but for anyone interested in how creativity reflects real life. You’ll hear insights on:

 🔹 Finding inspiration from everyday people

 🔹 Why flaws and struggles make characters — and us — stronger

 🔹 The importance of keeping imagination alive at every stage of life

If you’re looking for a dose of creativity, hope, and storytelling wisdom, this episode is for you.

Links
https://stevecarrollarttutor.uk/
Purchase 'Diaspora'  https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/1578918
https://www.instagram.com/stevepaintprint/

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 Acclaimed historical fiction author Tony Riches returns to Undercurrent Stories to discuss his latest Tudor novels, Bess: Tudor Gentlewoman and Frances: Tudor Countess. We explore the hidden influence of Elizabeth I’s ladies-in-waiting, the challenges of bringing real historical figures to life, and why these women’s stories still resonate today. Perfect for fans of Tudor history, historical fiction, and untold stories from the past. 

Tony's links:
Website: https://www.tonyriches.com/ 

Writing blog: https://tonyriches.blogspot.com/ 

Twitter: https://twitter.com/tonyriches 

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/tonyriches.author 

Podcasts: https://tonyriches.podbean.com/ 

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In today’s episode, I sit down with Dr. Colin Fisher, author of the book The Collective Edge: Unlocking the Secret Power of Groups. Colin’s journey is a fascinating one—starting out as a professional jazz trumpet player before becoming a leading scholar in organisational behaviour. His research digs into the dynamics of how groups and teams really work, why they so often succeed—or fail—and what leaders can do to harness their true potential.

We talk about everything from sports and music to corporate life and family dynamics, exploring why some teams thrive while others stumble, the balance between individual ego and collective success, and even how AI and remote work are reshaping collaboration today.

Whether you’re a leader, a team member, or just curious about why groups behave the way they do, this conversation is packed with insights you won’t want to miss.

So, sit back and enjoy my conversation with Dr. Colin Fisher.

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Singer-songwriter, guitarist and producer  Quint Starkie joins us from his UK  tour to talk about music, meaning, and finding his true voice. From growing up in Lancashire to playing Hollywood clubs, and from house concerts in Sweden to emotional returns to the UK, Quint shares his journey with warmth, humour, and honesty.

🎶 Hear about:

• His early days learning classical guitar
• A life-changing offer on a yacht in Norway
• Recording with Francis Dunnery, (It Bites) and learning to “be authentic”
• The creative process behind singles like Georgie and That’s When It Gets You
• Why “Brightness in My Soul” brings audiences to tears
• Finding beauty in tea, scones, and sausage rolls

Quint also reflects on AI, DAWs, and why songwriting still matters in the age of streaming.

🎸 Plus: behind-the-scenes stories from his current tour with Dorie Jackson and Remco Engels, and what's next for his third album.

And finally what got me about this interview was the sheer joy that Quint talked about. Playing with people he loves and seeing how his songs delight audiences as he takes them on a shared musical journey!

✨ Discover more at https://www.quintstarkie.net/

Listen to Quint's music at;

Spotify - Direct Link or Apple - Direct Link

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Have you ever wondered what it really takes to produce a classic hit? Or what goes through a producer’s mind when they're building a song from the ground up—or tearing it down to start again?

 Here to help us understand that process is Stephen Lipson. Stephen is the legendary producer and creative mastermind behind iconic tracks from Frankie Goes to Hollywood, Grace Jones, Annie Lennox, Simple Minds and many more including collaborations on film music such as  Batman: The Dark Knight Rises, The Lion King and Top Gun: Maverick.

  From behind-the-scenes studio secrets to philosophical reflections on the role of music and technology, this conversation is a deep dive into the life of a modern music craftsman.

🔑 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• The Making of a Producer: Stephen’s musical beginnings, early bands, and first foray into studio building.
• Creative Risk-Taking: Why muting a guitar line mid-track helped make Driver’s Seat a hit.
• The Producer’s Role: From guiding artists behind the scenes to understanding when to let go of perfection.
• Film Scoring with Hans Zimmer: How scoring for orchestras differs from working with bands—and why Stephen prefers to stay away from the recording room.
• The Impact of Technology: Thoughts on AI, loop libraries, and whether digital tools are enhancing or diluting creativity.
• Lessons from Trevor Horn: Rhythm, vocals, and the courage to start over.
• Real Talk for Aspiring Musicians: Honest advice about entering the music industry today.
• Personal Reflections: Why Stephen never revisits his old work—and what truly brings him joy in music.

💬 Memorable Quotes:

🎸 Featured Tracks & Projects:

• “Relax” – Frankie Goes to Hollywood
• “Driver’s Seat” – Sniff 'n’ the Tears
• Ex-Propaganda – New album in progress
• Various film scores with Hans Zimmer

Stephen's link: https://www.stevelipson.com/Steve_Lipson/Home.html

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In this episode of Undercurrent Stories, we sit down with Pulitzer prize winning journalist and bestselling author Gary Rivlin to explore the trillion-dollar race to dominate artificial intelligence. Gary, a former New York Times correspondent and veteran Silicon Valley reporter, shares insights from his latest book, AI Valley, which tells the behind-the-scenes story of tech giants, ambitious founders, and the complex world of AI development.

From the origins of artificial intelligence in the 1950s to the ChatGPT revolution of today, Gary unpacks how we got here—and where this transformative technology might be taking us next. He also delves into the ethical dilemmas, energy demands, and the real-world impact AI could have on jobs, education, and society as a whole.

Whether you're an AI optimist, skeptic, or somewhere in between, this episode offers a compelling, human-centered look at the forces shaping our digital future.

🔍 What You'll Learn:

• Why AI has taken over the tech world—and how it got here
• The surprising history behind artificial intelligence
• What makes the current AI moment different from past tech booms
• The risks, rewards, and ethical questions surrounding AI
• How AI may reshape the workforce, education, and even human relationships
• Tips for adapting to AI in your personal and professional life

📚 About Gary Rivlin:
Gary Rivlin is an award-winning journalist and the author of AI Valley: Microsoft, Google, and the Trillion-Dollar Race to Cash In on Artificial Intelligence. He has written for The New York Times, Wired, and numerous other publications. His work blends investigative depth with vivid storytelling, bringing the human side of tech into focus.

🔗 Learn More:
Find Gary’s book and more about his work at https://garyrivlin.com/
Book: AI Valley: Microsoft, Google and the Trillion-Dollar Race to Cash in on Artificial Intelligence https://garyrivlin.com/book/ai-valley/ 

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In this episode, I’m delighted to speak with Rachel Barker, a leading expert in art conservation and the founder of Rachel Barker Associates. With a career spanning decades — including over 20 years at the Tate Gallery — Rachel has restored some of the most iconic works of modern art, from Lichtenstein’s Whaam! to the vandalised Rothko Seagram mural.

Rachel shares her personal journey from growing up amid the Troubles in Belfast to developing a deep love of art and science that led her into the world of restoration. We explore how her early exposure to art, her academic path, and her technical skillset came together in a career that balances meticulous science with deep respect for creative legacy.

Whether you're an art lover, a science enthusiast, or just curious about what goes into preserving cultural heritage, this episode will open your eyes to the unseen side of the art world.

LInks;

Restoring Rothko - Tate Video
Conserving Roy Lichtenstein's Whaam! - Tate Video

Rachel Barker - Linkedin

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Today, I’m joined by Neil Lawrence—someone who’s been at the heart of the UK’s builders merchant scene for decades. From starting out in South London with £20 a week to becoming Chief Operating Officer of Jewson and running some of the country’s biggest brands, Neil’s journey is full of lessons, laughs, and a few hard truths.

If you’re building a career, leading a team, or just want some no-nonsense advice about work and life, this one’s for you.

Here’s what you’ll get:

• Down-to-earth insights on leadership and people management.
• Honest talk about what it’s really like climbing the ladder.
• Stories about learning the hard way—and how to bounce back.
• And plenty of humour, straight-talking, and heart along the way.

Neil doesn’t hold back, and that’s exactly what makes this conversation so good.

So whether you're commuting, walking the dog, or just need a break from your inbox—stick around. You’re in for a real treat.

Insightful quotes from Neil;

🧠 Leadership & Career Growth

1. “I didn’t want to be the chief exec—I wanted to do the job I was good at.”
   – A reminder that leadership isn’t always about climbing to the very top.
2. “You don’t have to know everything. What you do need are good people around you.”
   – On building successful teams and letting go of ego.
3. “If someone’s keeping you up at night, that’s the person you need to deal with.”
   – A powerful truth about people management.
4. “I didn’t want to run a company through fear. I wanted it to feel like it was mine.”
   – On ownership and culture as a leader.
5. “You can’t be soft and cuddly in operations—you need to have a bit about you.”
   – Tough love from a seasoned operator.

💬 Workplace Culture & Communication

1. “Humour is a great strength—until it’s not.”
   – On the fine line between levity and leadership missteps.
2. “Most of our staff are trying to do a good job. It’s the few who aren’t that need managing.”
   – A great mindset shift for leaders dealing with people issues.
3. “I always thought the job was to make decisions. Just get more right than wrong.”
   – Simple but powerful advice for decision-makers.
4. “Don’t be afraid to say you want to get on. If you don’t speak up, you’ll be overlooked.”
   – On ambition and visibility in your career.
5. “If you don’t deal with a problem person, it’s not fair on everyone else.”
   – Leadership is about protecting the whole team, not avoiding conflict.

Links:

Neil Lawrence on Linkedin 

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In this live episode of Undercurrent Stories, host Bob Wells sits down with John Coghlan, the legendary original drummer of Status Quo. From "Caroline" to "Rockin’ All Over the World," John recounts the highs, lows, and beat-driven tales of a life lived on stage, on the road, and in rhythm.

Recorded in a cosy Cotswolds pub, this intimate conversation dives deep into:

• How a school Air Cadet turned into a global rock icon
• Wild stories from tours with Slade, Lindisfarne, and Led Zeppelin
• Life as a "Tax Exile" on the Isle of Man in the '70s
• Behind-the-scenes of the Frantic Four reunion
• Jazz-infused Status Quo reinterpretations in Quo Reimagined
• Why John still chooses a classic Ringo-style kit over flashy double bass drums

🔥 Key Topics Covered

Status Quo history and legacy

1970s British rock scene

Influences (Ringo Starr, John Bonham, Buddy Rich)

Quo Reimagined jazz project

Frantic Four reunion tour stories

Behind-the-scenes rock tour life

Isle of Man and UK rock taxation exile stories

Life after rock stardom

Tips for aspiring drummers

📚 Resources & Links

• 📘 Spud – John Coghlan’s Biography: Info and Orders email gilliecoghlan@gmail.com

💿 Quo Reimagined CD: Info and Orders email gilliecoghlan@gmail.com

• 📸 John Coghlan on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/JohnCoghlanOfficial

📩 Booking/Info: Gillie Coghlan – gilliecoghlan@gmail.com

Thanks to Gillie for organising this interview and to Andy for keeping the coffee flowing!

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In this episode we dive into the fascinating world of British artist George Underwood — a name that resonates not only in the world of fine art but also in rock history. From designing iconic album covers to painting otherworldly portraits, George's work blends the mythical with the emotional in ways few can match.

But George’s story is more than just brushes and canvas — it's also deeply tied to the evolution of British pop culture. As a childhood friend and early bandmate of David Bowie, George Underwood helped shape the look and feel of a musical revolution. We’ll explore how a moment of teenage mischief left Bowie with his signature eye look, and how George’s artistic vision matured into one of the most distinctive visual voices of the contemporary art scene.

Whether you're an art lover, a music historian, or simply curious about the minds that shape our culture, this episode will leave you inspired both through Sound and Vision.

Memorable Quotes:

🎨 On Art & Creativity

1. "I try to pull these people out from wherever they exist... they’re not real, but I try to make them appear real."
   — George Underwood on painting his signature otherworldly portraits
2. "Art gets your brain working in a way nothing else does. It puts you in another world."
   — George Underwood on the therapeutic power of painting
3. "A hobby can turn into a full-time obsession—if you let it."
   — George Underwood on creativity becoming a way of life
4. "I’ve always liked the idea that in art, you can mess with people’s heads."
   — George Underwood, on his surrealistic influences

🎸 On David Bowie & Music

1. "People say, ‘You were lucky to know David Bowie.’ I say, he was lucky to know me."
   — George Underwood, with a smile, on his friendship with Bowie
2. "He turned up drunk at my party, didn’t talk to the girl we both fancied—"
   — George Underwood recounting the infamous story behind Bowie’s eye
3. "He used to invite us to Switzerland just to get away from the spotlight. That was David."
   — On Bowie’s private side
4. "I shouted ‘Wham, bam, thank you ma'am!’ at the end of a new song—and David kept it."
   — George Underwood on contributing to Suffragette City*

🖼️ On Album Art & Legacy

1. "A 12-inch album cover was a beautiful format to work on—it had impact."
   — George Underwood on the golden era of vinyl art
2. "Sometimes I bought an album just because of the cover. And it turned out to be brilliant."
   — On the visual power of record design
3. "The face has infinite possibilities—just one brushstroke can change everything."
   — George Underwood on portraiture

Links:

https://www.georgeunderwood.com/

You can view some of George’s paintings at :

Fosse Gallery

Familiar Reality

8th June - 28th June 2025

The Manor House, The Square, Stow-on-the Wold , Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, GL54 1AF

www.fossegallery.com

Intro and outro music, 'Time for a Coffee'  Bob Wells © 2020

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