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What happens when we honour both our deep gratitude for what is and our fierce yearning for what might be? How might we distinguish between the wanting that tries to fill an inner emptiness and the discontent that fuels a more life-giving opening to our lives... neither bypassing the tenderness of unfulfilled desires nor abandoning the creative energy they contain? What if our yearning, like trees reaching skyward, represents not something missing but something essential about what it means to be fully alive and engaged with the world?
A conversation about the tension between receiving life fully as it presents itself and allowing ourselves to reach toward something that is still calling us.
This week’s conversation is hosted, as always, by Lizzie Winn and Justin Wise of Thirdspace.
Episode Overview
00:00 Introduction and Upcoming Events
02:12 Exploring Yearning and Gratitude
06:50 The Nature of Longing
10:09 The Balance of Gratitude and Yearning
15:16 Cradling Vulnerability in Longing
20:20 The Distinction Between Wanting and Yearning
25:24 Yearning as a Call to Participation
29:54 Conclusion and Invitation to Join
Here’s our source for this week:
Always yearn
Yearning is divine discontent that fuels us to keep expanding. To yearn is to live. Our desire is what gets us up in the morning, ignites our curiosity, gives our lives resonance. Do not be disconsolate when you feel a strong sense of yearning. It is an invitation that says: there is more, there is more, there is more. The Universe is constantly expanding. Why shouldn’t you?
Yearning is not a problem to be solved. It is an energy to be explored.
Three useful questions to start your own conversation about yearning and desire
What do you want?
More, what do you long for?
Most of all, when I do not have what I long for, how can I cradle myself through that rough edge?
Episode 400 Live, June 8 2025 On Sunday 8th June 2025 it will be our 400th episode and we are planning a Turning Towards Life live gathering on Zoom. You're all very welcome to join. It will be a wonderful opportunity to meet us and to meet others. You can book a place for Episode 400 Live on June 8 here.
Turning Towards Life Live Season 1, from September 2025
We also have the launch of our Turning Towards Life live programme which is going to run in six month seasons from September. It's going to be in person on Zoom once a month. We're very excited about it. A chance to expand beyond the bounds of a podcast into forming a community of learning and practice. You can register your interest for Season 1 of Turning Towards Life Live here.
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About Turning Towards Life
Turning Towards Life, a week-by-week conversation inviting us deeply into our lives, is a live 30 minute conversation hosted by Justin Wise and Lizzie Winn of Thirdspace. Find us on FaceBook to watch live and join in the lively conversation on this episode. You can find videos of every episode, and more about the project on the Turning Towards Life website, and you can also watch and listen on Instagram, YouTube, and as a podcast on Apple, Google, Amazon Music and Spotify.
Lizzie and Justin will host our 400th conversation live on Zoom, you’ll have the opportunity to meet us and other people from around the world who follow the podcast, and we’ll host an opportunity for you to take a Turning Towards Life ‘source’ and learn from it and with it in conversation with others who join. We expect it to be a rich, joyful two hours with depth and the opportunity to be and feel part of the growing community of people from around the world who are connected with Turning Towards Life.
This will be a two-hour live event on Zoom, from 2pm-4pm UK (BST), which is 3pm-5pm CEST, 9pm-11pm Singapore, 9am-11am EDT, 6am-8am PDT.
Also coming soon, Turning Towards Life Live Season 1, starting September 2025. Find out more at www.turningtowardslife/live
397: Two Set Out On Their Journey
Épisode 397
dimanche 18 mai 2025 • Durée 33:41
What happens when we widen our perspective to view our individual lives as part of an endless flow of generations? How do we honour both the weight of our immediate concerns and the liberation that comes from seeing them as moments in an infinite tapestry? How might we practice radical amazement at the extraordinary nature of existence itself? What if our most profound joy emerges not from escaping life's difficulties but from embracing them while remembering the timeless quality beneath our temporal experience—that mysterious essence which precedes our birth and continues beyond our death? Perhaps our original light-heartedness—that which we carried as children—offers a way forward, now transformed by time and sorrow into something deeper.
This week’s conversation is hosted, as always, by Lizzie Winn and Justin Wise of Thirdspace.
Episode Overview
00:00 Introduction and Announcing Episode 400 Live on June 8
05:13 Exploring the Poem: 'Two Set Out on Their Journey'
09:56 Finding Out We Are Not Alone
14:58 Navigating Grief and Impermanence
20:03 Radical Amazement and Bigger Horizons of Time
25:11 The Journey of Life and the Light Heart
30:04 Conclusion and Reflection
Two Set Out On Their Journey We sit side by side,
brother and sister, and read
the book of what will be, while a breeze
blows the pages over—
desolate odd, cheerful even,
and otherwise. When we come
to our own story, the happy beginning,
the ending we don’t know yet,
the ten thousand acts
encumbering the days between,
we will read every page of it.
If an ancestor has pressed
a love-flower for us, it will lie hidden
between pages of the slow going,
where only those who adore the story
ever read. When the time comes
to shut the book and set out,
we will take childhood’s laughter
as far as we can into the days to come,
until another laughter sounds back
from the place where our next bodies
will have risen and will be telling
tales of what seemed deadly serious once,
offering to us oldening wayfarers
the light heart, now made of time
and sorrow, that we started with.
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On Sunday 8th June 2025 it will be our 400th episode and we are planning a Turning Towards Life live gathering on Zoom. You're all very welcome to join. It will be a wonderful opportunity to meet us and to meet others.
We also have the launch of our Turning Towards Life live programme which is going to run in six month seasons from September. It's going to be in person on Zoom once a month. We're very excited about it. A chance to expand beyond the bounds of a podcast into forming a community of learning and practice.
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Turning Towards Life, is a live 30 minute conversation hosted by Justin Wise and Lizzie Winn of . Find us on to watch live and join in the lively conversation on this episode. You can find videos of every episode, and more about the project on the , and you can also watch and listen on , YouTube, and as a podcast on , , and .
396: Loving Those Who Are Gone
Épisode 396
dimanche 11 mai 2025 • Durée 23:38
What remains when someone we love is no longer physically with us? A conversation exploring the tension between doubt and the feeling that something continues beyond what we can see or touch. How we might speak to those who are gone, even when their ears and hearts seem to no longer exist, by voicing our love and sorrow—whether heard or not—a way in which we change both the world and our wounded hearts. And honouring the mysterious space where truth and our departed loved ones might still exist. Turning away from these deeper dimensions might be why we feel so disconnected, while embracing them offers a way to move through life with an open heart, receiving what remains precious beyond time and distance.
This week’s conversation is hosted, as always, by Lizzie Winn and Justin Wise of Thirdspace.
Episode Overview
00:00 Introduction
03:18 This Week's Source by Nick Cave
09:04 Love, Death, and Paying Attention
16:54 Allowing Ourselves to be Uncertain
22:01 Gratitude and Reflection on the Conversation
Here's our source for this week:
Red Hand Files #323, May 2025
My dad died suddenly and unexpectedly. We moved and only saw him for two weeks of what turned out to be his last year on earth. Now I feel like I have failed him so terribly. How do you apologize to someone who is gone? How do you say I love you and I’m so sorry when their ears and their heart don’t exist anymore?
AMY, LOS ANGELES, USA
You can find the rest of the source on Nick Cave's Red Hand Files website here https://www.theredhandfiles.com/sudden-death-apologise-spiritual-intuition/
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On Sunday 8th June 2025 it will be our 400th episode and we are planning a Turning Towards Life live gathering on Zoom. You're all very welcome to join. It will be a wonderful opportunity to meet us and to meet others. If you are at all interested and you would like to join us, please keep watching out and listening out on the podcast or you could head over towards our website and sign up for our weekly emails there and you will get all of the information directly into your inbox.
We also have the launch of our Turning Towards Life live programme which is going to run in six month seasons. It's going to be in person on Zoom once a month. We're very excited about it. A chance to expand beyond the bounds of a podcast into forming a community of learning and practice. If you go to there is a button you can press to register your interest in this.
Turning Towards Life, is a live 30 minute conversation hosted by Justin Wise and Lizzie Winn of . Find us on to watch live and join in the lively conversation on this episode. You can find videos of every episode, and more about the project on the , and you can also watch and listen on , YouTube, and as a podcast on , , and .
395: The Moral Labour of Living
Épisode 395
dimanche 4 mai 2025 • Durée 40:11
A rich conversation about the necessity, joys and inevitable difficulties of loving - of loving one another, of loving all we can about this one precious life. About how easy it is to turn away, to distract ourselves, to check out of all that loving takes - as if that would save us from what Lizzie calls ‘the rattling sorrow’ of loss. And about the responsibilities and ‘moral labour’ that’s called for for us to stay engaged, to keep returning, even though we have such breakable hearts, for the benefit of all those around us, including of course our selves.
This week’s conversation is hosted, as always, by Lizzie Winn and Justin Wise of Thirdspace.
Episode Overview
00:00 Introduction and Celebration of Milestones
02:11 Exploring the Source: Wise Animals by Tom Chatfield
07:25 The Moral Labour of Living
15:24 Navigating Grief and Vulnerability
21:42 The Complexity of Love and Loss
27:19 Tussling with Different Points of View
31:32 Spiritual Perspectives on Living
35:02 Turning Towards Life Live - An Invitation to Engage and Learn Together
Here's our source for this week:
The Moral Labour of Living
To be human is to be born into utter helplessness, in circumstances beyond our choosing. It is to grow and change, constrained by these circumstances and biological inheritance. It is to achieve some measure of independence, for a time, in the context of our planet’s and our societies’ vast networks of exchange and competition. And it is to seek not only survival but also – so long as the body’s basic needs are met – some form of flourishing or contentment. There is no final victory, no guarantee of success, and no infallible guidance. There is only the contingent business of trying, together, to live and to know ourselves a little better.
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On Sunday 8th June 2025 it will be our 400th episode and we are planning a Turning Towards Life live gathering on Zoom. You're all very welcome to join. It will be a wonderful opportunity to meet us and to meet others. If you are at all interested and you would like to join us, please keep watching out and listening out on the podcast or you could head over towards our website and sign up for our weekly emails there and you will get all of the information directly into your inbox.
We also have the launch of our Turning Towards Life live programme which is going to run in six month seasons. It's going to be in person on Zoom once a month. We're very excited about it. A chance to expand beyond the bounds of a podcast into forming a community of learning and practice. If you go to there is a button you can press to register your interest in this.
Turning Towards Life, is a live 30 minute conversation hosted by Justin Wise and Lizzie Winn of . Find us on to watch live and join in the lively conversation on this episode. You can find videos of every episode, and more about the project on the , and you can also watch and listen on , YouTube, and as a podcast on , , and .
moral labour, vulnerability, human helplessness, self-regulation, emotional capacity, parenting wisdom, grief alongside joy, spiritual questions, letting go, loving attachment, life boundaries, personal mastery, technology escape, relationship vulnerability, human connection, personal growth, accepting mortality, biological inheritance, human dependency, embracing uncertainty, contingent living, self-control development, nurturing relationships, emotional complexity, devastating loss, consuming love, risk and reward, withdrawal consequences, heart expansion, denial mechanisms, holding contradictions, thoughtful disagreement, dialogue practice, human finitude, sacred impermanence, interdependence, tender-heartedness, parental challenges, intergenerational wisdom, therapeutic conversation, existential questions, philosophical exploration, emotional literacy, personal development, turning towards, personal responsibility, life meaning, conscious living, Third Space,
394: A Manifesto for Aliveness
Épisode 394
dimanche 27 avril 2025 • Durée 34:04
In this conversation, we explore a poem by Wendell Berry which calls us to wake up from the numbing effects of conventional life and practice living with true aliveness. We begin by reflecting on how Berry's invitation to "do something that won't compute" challenges us to question the systems and habits that keep us trapped in unconscious patterns - the quick profit, the ready-made, the fear of death - and instead to embrace practices that cultivate genuine freedom and connection with life.
We delve into the tension between the familiar and the unfamiliar, discussing how our natural tendency to create predictable cycles can both build stable communities and wall us off from deeper truths. Through Berry's provocative lines, we consider how systems try to predict and control us, and how deliberately cultivating 'eccentricity' - living at least partially outside the dominant cultural expectations - can be a path to a kind of aliveness and responsibility for life. We examine how laughter, loving what seems undeserving, and asking questions without answers can shake us from our sleepiness, while also acknowledging that not all disruptions are equally valuable - suggesting that we measure new possibilities against what would satisfy someone bringing life into the world. Ultimately, we see Berry's manifesto as an invitation to practice deliberateness through conscious engagement with life's full complexity rather than waiting for life to wake us through crisis. You can find out more about the Thirdspace Professional Coaching Course 2025-26 on the Thirdspace website wearethirdspace.org
This week’s conversation is hosted, as always, by Lizzie Winn and Justin Wise of Thirdspace.
Episode Overview
00:00 Introduction to Turning Towards Life
02:52 Exploring Wendell Berry's Manifesto
05:54 Eccentric Perspectives
09:52 Nature and Connection in Wendell Berry's Work
14:54 The Invitation to Question and Reflect
19:49 The Familiar vs. The Unfamiliar
24:38 Finding Sources of Truthfulness in Life
29:35 Conclusion and Reflection on the Conversation
Here's our source for this week:
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On Sunday 8th June 2025 it will be our 400th episode and we are planning a Turning Towards Life live gathering on Zoom. You're all very welcome to join. It will be a wonderful opportunity to meet us and to meet others. If you are at all interested and you would like to join us, please keep watching out and listening out on the podcast or you could head over towards our website and sign up for our weekly emails there and you will get all of the information directly into your inbox.
We also have the launch of our Turning Towards Life live programme which is going to run in six month seasons. It's going to be in person on Zoom once a month. We're very excited about it. A chance to expand beyond the bounds of a podcast into forming a community of learning and practice. If you go to there is a button you can press to register your interest in this.
Turning Towards Life, is a live 30 minute conversation hosted by Justin Wise and Lizzie Winn of . Find us on to watch live and join in the lively conversation on this episode. You can find videos of every episode, and more about the project on the , and you can also watch and listen on , YouTube, and as a podcast on , , and .
Wendell Berry, Mad Farmer, Liberation Manifesto, Cultural Eccentricity, Personal Freedom, Questioning Systems, Breaking Patterns, Conscious Living, Familiar Patterns, Unfamiliar Paths, Habitual Thinking, Inner Liberation, Waking Up, Mindful Resistance, Practice Resurrection, Nature Connection, Deep Thinking, Cultural Criticism, Consumer Culture, Human Connection, Authentic Living, Life Cycles, Pattern Disruption, Personal Growth, Comfort Challenges, Life Transformation, Living Philosophy, Environmental Awareness, Mindfulness Practices, Critical Thinking, Spiritual Growth, Social Systems, Alternative Lifestyles, Life Purpose, Contemplative Practice, Authentic Relationships, Ecological Awareness, Meaning Making, Challenging Conventions, Life Transitions, Wisdom Traditions, Self Reflection, Countercultural Ideas, Modern Alienation, Life Balance, Ethical Living, Social Change, Human Potential
393: Coaching and Learning to Coach
Épisode 393
dimanche 20 avril 2025 • Durée 34:16
What would it be to learn to help other people turn deeply towards their own lives? We’ve been asking this question in many ways over the past more than seven years, and this week we turn towards a great love of ours, the Thirdspace Professional Coaching Course, which is designed around this very question.
This year’s course begins in June and applications are coming in. In this rich conversation we talk together about what it is to be an attentive, compassionate and wise support for the development of others, and what it might be like to learn with us over the course of a year.
Episode Overview 00:00 Introduction to the Thirdspace Professional Coaching Course
03:03 The Heart of Integral Development Coaching
05:59 Navigating Life's Interruptions with Creativity and Compassion
08:47 The Role of Community in Learning to Coach
12:03 Coaching is Learning to Turn Towards Life
14:58 The Importance of Belonging and Contribution
17:51 Embracing Creativity and Courage in Difficult Times
21:06 The Journey of Self-Discovery
23:55 Practical Skills for Life and Coaching
27:00 Conclusion and Invitation to Join
30:38 Taking Up Our "Right Size" in the World Here's our source for this week:
Coaching and Learning to Coach
Every so often in life we pause and make note of the person we have become and the one we are becoming. Sometimes this reflection is prompted by professional circumstances, like a promotion, performance review, job change, or firing. Just as often it emerges from the “rest of life” – as through an illness, death, or the beginning or ending of a relationship. Whatever the origin, these experiences can feel like an opportunity or a burden, a chance to develop or a painful lesson…and often both. How we make sense of these experiences often determines what actions we take, and this, of course, influences our competence and fulfilment in life. Wouldn’t it be wonderful, in these moments, to have someone by our side to ask skilful questions, listen deeply, be fully present with who we are and what we say, point out our blind spots, and custom-design practices to help us move forward? And wouldn’t it be marvellous, too, to be this person for others?
On Sunday 8th June 2025 it will be our 400th episode and we are planning a Turning Towards Life live gathering on Zoom. You're all very welcome to join. It will be a wonderful opportunity to meet us and to meet others. If you are at all interested and you would like to join us, please keep watching out and listening out on the podcast or you could head over towards our website and sign up for our weekly emails there and you will get all of the information directly into your inbox.
We also have the launch of our Turning Towards Life live programme which is going to run in six month seasons. It's going to be in person on Zoom once a month. We're very excited about it. A chance to expand beyond the bounds of a podcast into forming a community of learning and practice. If you go to there is a button you can press to register your interest in this.
Turning Towards Life, is a live 30 minute conversation hosted by Justin Wise and Lizzie Winn of . Find us on to watch live and join in the lively conversation on this episode. You can find videos of every episode, and more about the project on the , and you can also watch and listen on , YouTube, and as a podcast on , , and .
392: The Real Power
Épisode 392
vendredi 18 avril 2025 • Durée 29:29
If 'power' is the extent to which we each are able to bring about our intentions in the world, then our power matters. But there are many different ways to exercise power - as a parent, colleague, friend - in any role where our actions influence others.
What does it take to recognise how we're exercising the power we have? Are we acting from our fearful parts or from that which is solid, genuine and faithful to life? Perhaps the deeper invitation is to centre our power around love itself - whether fierce or gentle - rather than around our attempts to dominate and control.
This week’s conversation is hosted, as always, by Lizzie Winn and Justin Wise of Thirdspace.
Join Us Live in 2025
On Sunday 8th June 2025 it will be our 400th episode and we are planning a Turning Towards Life live gathering on Zoom. You're all very welcome to join. It will be a wonderful opportunity to meet us and to meet others. If you are at all interested and you would like to join us, please keep watching out and listening out on the podcast or you could head over towards our website turningtowards.life and sign up for our weekly emails there and you will get all of the information directly into your inbox.
We also have the launch of our Turning Towards Life live programme which is going to run in six month seasons. It's going to be in person on Zoom once a month. We're very excited about it. A chance to expand beyond the bounds of a podcast into forming a community of learning and practice. If you go to turningtowards.life there is a button you can press to register your interest in this.
About Turning Towards Life
Turning Towards Life, a week-by-week conversation inviting us deeply into our lives, is a live 30 minute conversation hosted by Justin Wise and Lizzie Winn of Thirdspace. Find us on FaceBook to watch live and join in the lively conversation on this episode. You can find videos of every episode, and more about the project on the , and you can also watch and listen on , YouTube, and as a podcast on , , and .
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391: No, There is No Turning Back
Épisode 391
dimanche 6 avril 2025 • Durée 30:41
The narratives about time and growing older that our culture hands us often fail to name and invite the kind of luminous gathering of life that we can become with age. What if we found a way to fully grieve the losses of aging, rather than fight against them, and in doing so we deepen into a kind of translucent generosity of heart and spirit in which we allow ourselves to give ourselves away to those around us and to life itself? And what if we could do that together, rather than alone?
This week’s conversation is hosted, as always, by Lizzie Winn and Justin Wise of Thirdspace.
Turning Towards Life, a week-by-week conversation inviting us deeply into our lives, is a live 30 minute conversation hosted by Justin Wise and Lizzie Winn of Thirdspace. Find us on FaceBook to watch live and join in the lively conversation on this episode. You can find videos of every episode, and more about the project on the Turning Towards Life website, and you can also watch and listen on , YouTube, and as a podcast on , , and .
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390: Be a Water Wheel
Épisode 390
dimanche 30 mars 2025 • Durée 30:18
Chasing after what we want so badly - from our friends and other relationships - can make it infuriatingly difficult to have and be what we most need. Can we find a way to move towards our longings also find out that although there is much that we might legimately want and long for, the act of receiving and giving right here, in the midst of where we already are, can so often bring us much that we really need. In the process of cultivating a steady reciprocity of receiving and giving we can become a person who meets the truer needs of those around us. The metaphor of the water wheel, in its steady turn of giving and receiving, has much to stir our imagination in this regard, as Rumi teaches us in this week's luminous source.
This week’s conversation is hosted, as always, by Lizzie Winn and Justin Wise of Thirdspace.
Turning Towards Life, a week-by-week conversation inviting us deeply into our lives, is a live 30 minute conversation hosted by Justin Wise and Lizzie Winn of Thirdspace. Find us on FaceBook to watch live and join in the lively conversation on this episode. You can find videos of every episode, and more about the project on the , and you can also watch and listen on , YouTube, and as a podcast on , , and .
Episode Overview
Here's our source for this week:
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All of the above entails … moral labour whose difficulty and significance are inextricably linked. As the parent of two young children, one of the hardest lessons I have struggled to master – like most parents – is the fact that my children’s desires are an imperfect guide to their wellbeing. Making their lives easier is not always the best way to prepare them for life. [It’s] more important for me gradually to help them develop a measure of self-control, fairness and ambition – and to show them how trust can be earned – than it is for me constantly to monitor and intervene in everything they do. Also like many parents, a second lesson I’m still trying to learn is that the person who all too often needs to improve their self-control is me.
To love and to nurture other human beings brings pain as well as joy; frustration and exhaustion as well as delight; the prospect of devastating loss alongside the gains of consuming love. And these satisfactions and sacrifices can’t tidily be separated. To withdraw your care from any relationship is to make yourself less vulnerable, for a price: it’s to diminish what you risk and give, but also what you can receive and gain.
Wise Animals: How Technology Has Made Us What We Are
Love the quick profit, the annual raise,
vacation with pay. Want more
of everything ready-made. Be afraid
to know your neighbors and to die.
And you will have a window in your head.
Not even your future will be a mystery
any more. Your mind will be punched in a card
and shut away in a little drawer.
When they want you to buy something
they will call you. When they want you
to die for profit they will let you know.
So, friends, every day do something
that won’t compute. Love the Lord.
Love the world. Work for nothing.
Take all that you have and be poor.
Love someone who does not deserve it.
Denounce the government and embrace
the flag. Hope to live in that free
republic for which it stands.
Give your approval to all you cannot
understand. Praise ignorance, for what man
has not encountered he has not destroyed.
Ask the questions that have no answers.
Invest in the millenium. Plant sequoias.
Say that your main crop is the forest
that you did not plant,
that you will not live to harvest.
Say that the leaves are harvested
when they have rotted into the mold.
Call that profit. Prophesy such returns.
Put your faith in the two inches of humus
that will build under the trees
every thousand years.
Listen to carrion – put your ear
close, and hear the faint chattering
of the songs that are to come.
Expect the end of the world. Laugh.
Laughter is immeasurable. Be joyful
though you have considered all the facts.
So long as women do not go cheap
for power, please women more than men.
Ask yourself: Will this satisfy
a woman satisfied to bear a child?
Will this disturb the sleep
of a woman near to giving birth?
Go with your love to the fields.
Lie down in the shade. Rest your head
in her lap. Swear allegiance
to what is nighest your thoughts.
As soon as the generals and the politicos
can predict the motions of your mind,
lose it. Leave it as a sign
to mark the false trail, the way
you didn’t go. Be like the fox
who makes more tracks than necessary,
some in the wrong direction.
Practice resurrection.
The Professional Coaching Course (PCC) exists in large part due to the primacy of these questions for ourselves and the people we serve.
Integral Development Coaching is what happens when two people develop a professional relationship that is grounded in mutual trust and respect, directed toward a set of clear outcomes, guided by presence, and informed by broad models about what it means to be a human being. It is a methodology. It is an integration project. It is a moment when you feel deeply connected to yourself and others, with a deep acceptance of everything, and you take practical steps to move forward in life. It is both simpler and more complex than it sounds.
00:00 Introduction and Upcoming Events
02:19 Marion Woodman’s Source
05:07 Personal Authenticity
08:31 Distinctions in Love and Power
12:05 The Nature of Power and Love
16:38 Truth, Power, and Realness
20:08 The Necessity of Power Dynamics
24:45 Faith and Possibility
The Real Power
To me, real power is about presence. It’s the energy of knowing that you are who you are, and therefore speaking and acting from your authentic self. It doesn’t matter what your work is—if you’re a teacher or a nurse or whatever; it is your presence that’s the power. It’s not power over anybody else. It’s just the expression of who you are.
Power in the sense of controlling somebody else is different from personal presence.
Love is the real power. It’s the energy that cherishes. The more you work with that energy, the more you will see how people respond naturally to it, and the more you’ll want to use it. It brings out your creativity, and helps everyone around you flower. Your children, the people you work with - everyone blooms.
00:00 Introduction and Gratitude
03:11 Exploring Wendell Berry's Work
06:00 The Nature of Time and Aging
12:01 Grief and Acceptance
18:12 Generosity in the Face of Loss
23:57 Community and Intergenerational Wisdom
Sabbaths 1993 I
No, no, there is no going back.
Less and less you are
that possibility you were.
More and more you have become
those lives and deaths
that have belonged to you.
You have become a sort of grave
containing much that was
and is no more in time, beloved
then, now, and always.
And so you have become a sort of tree
standing over a grave.
Now more than ever you can be
generous toward each day
that comes, young, to disappear
forever, and yet remain
unaging in the mind.
Every day you have less reason
not to give yourself away.
00:00 Introduction and Welcoming the Audience
02:53 Exploring Rumi's 'The Water Wheel'
05:55 Curiosity and Aliveness in Relationships
08:55 The Nature of Friendship and Reciprocity
11:53 Receiving and Giving in Life
15:10 The Balance of Stillness and Movement
17:53 Desires and the Journey of Staying Present
21:08 The Invitation to Stay Together
24:00 Conclusion and Reflection on the Conversation
The Waterwheel
Stay together, friends.
Don’t scatter and sleep.
Our friendship is made
of being awake.
The waterwheel accepts water
and turns and gives it away,
weeping.
That way it stays in the garden,
whereas another roundness rolls
through a dry riverbed looking
for what it thinks it wants.
Stay here, quivering with each moment
like a drop of mercury.