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James Coughlan: 25 years in cruise, from galley to gangway and into the world of entrepreneurship18 Jun 202601:07:10

Join Carmen as she speaks with James Coughlan, founder of Shorex Australia, about his 25-year journey through the cruise industry.

James began his career as a chef, working in high-pressure kitchens before joining Crystal Cruises and stepping into life at sea. What started in the galley eventually led him into shore excursions, where he discovered a new side of the cruise industry: guest experience, destination knowledge, local operators and the complex world that sits just beyond the gangway.

In this episode, James shares what cruise ship life taught him about standards, service and resilience, and how saying yes to opportunities shaped his career. He also talks about the shift from ship life to shore-side roles, the impact of COVID on the cruise and tourism sector, and the decision to launch Shorex Australia in 2023.

This conversation is a fascinating look inside cruise tourism, but it is also a story about career evolution, backing yourself, building trust, and understanding the value of local tourism experiences.

What you’ll take away

  • What life on board cruise ships can teach you about standards, service and resilience
  • How James moved from chef to shore excursions and built a long-term career in cruise tourism
  • Why saying yes, staying open and building relationships can change the direction of your career
  • What shore excursions are and how they connect cruise lines with local tourism operators
  • Why destination knowledge and guest trust are so important in delivering great visitor experiences
  • What James learned from moving from employee to business owner
  • Why Shorex Australia is focused on local relationships, sustainable growth and understanding each destination properly
  • What tourism operators need to know if they want to work with the cruise industry

About James

James Coughlan is the founder of Shorex Australia and has spent around 25 years working across the cruise and tourism industry.

His career began in hospitality and commercial kitchens, including time at Bathers’ Pavilion in Sydney, before he joined Crystal Cruises as a chef. While working at sea, James moved from the galley into shore excursions, where he discovered the world of destination experiences, guest service and cruise operations.

After more than a decade at sea, James transitioned into shore-side cruise operations and spent many years working with inbound cruise programs across Australia. In 2023, he launched Shorex Australia, a locally focused business delivering shore excursion programs and destination experiences for cruise lines visiting Australia.

James brings deep practical knowledge of cruise tourism, local product development, guest experience and the importance of building strong relationships across the industry.

Connect with James on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-coughlan/

Discover more about Shorex Australia: https://www.shorexaustralia.com

Organisations and resources referenced

Episode chapters

00:00 Introduction and tourism operator call-out
01:31 Welcome James Coughlan
03:38 James’ early life, first jobs and chef apprenticeship
07:49 Learning high standards in professional kitchens
09:54 Joining Crystal Cruises and life at sea
15:14 Moving from chef to shore excursions
17:14 What shore excursions are and how they work
20:07 Destination knowledge, guest trust and service excellence
25:55 Career progression, leadership and knowing when to move on
35:43 Transitioning from ship life to shore-side cruise operations
42:43 COVID, industry change and seeing a new opportunity
47:48 Launching Shorex Australia and backing himself
53:55 What Shorex Australia does differently
59:29 The next stage of growth, including a new Cairns rainforest experience
1:02:27 Advice for tourism operators wanting to work with cruise
1:05:52 Carmen’s closing reflections

Stephen Ekstrom: Learning, Storytelling and Better Tourism Experiences11 Jun 202600:50:16

EPISODE DESCRIPTION

This week on Tourism Matters, I sit down with Stephen Ekstrom, CEO, co-founder and self-described nerd whisperer at Learn Tourism.

Learn Tourism is a non-profit academy creating smart, immersive learning and promotional experiences for tourism professionals, destination marketers, trade associations and communities around the world.

This conversation takes a slightly different path from the usual Tourism Matters format. It is open, thoughtful and wide-ranging, touching on sustainable tourism, economic viability, storytelling, workforce development, career pathways, AI, frontline teams and the role of human connection in great visitor experiences.

Stephen and I explore what sustainability really means in tourism, not just environmentally, but socially, culturally and economically. We also talk about why tourism businesses need to be commercially sound, why learning should sit at the heart of strong tourism teams, and why storytelling can completely change the way visitors experience a place.

We also get into one of my favourite topics: tourism careers. Why do so many people fall into this industry rather than intentionally choose it? Why do we lose talented people? And how can we help people see the skills, pathways and possibilities available in tourism?

WHAT YOU’LL TAKE AWAY FROM THIS EPISODE

• Why sustainable tourism must include people, place and profitability
• Why economic viability matters for tourism operators
• How learning and professional development can strengthen tourism teams
• Why tourism careers often have a visibility and perception problem
• How transferable skills shape tourism career pathways
• What AI can and cannot replace in tourism
• Why human connection is still central to great visitor experiences
• How storytelling helps visitors feel more connected to a place
• Why frontline teams need appreciation, empowerment and licence to create memorable moments
• Stephen’s career journey and the creation of Learn Tourism

ABOUT STEPHEN

Stephen Ekstrom is the CEO and co-founder of Learn Tourism, a non-profit academy supporting tourism professionals, destination marketers, trade associations and communities through immersive learning experiences.

Stephen has worked across sales, product development, consulting, attractions, experiences and destination development. His work has taken him into communities and destinations across North America and beyond, helping tourism organisations think differently about learning, visitor experience, economic development and sustainable tourism.

CONNECTING WITH STEPHEN

Learn Tourism: https://learntourism.org
Stephen Ekstrom on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenekstrom/

CONNECT WITH CARMEN

Website: https://www.carmenbold.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carmenbold/

EPISODE CHAPTERS

00:00 Introduction and setting the scene
01:37 Sustainable tourism and community engagement
02:15 Economic viability in tourism
05:10 Learning and growth in the tourism industry
08:03 Personal journeys in tourism
13:47 The importance of authenticity and connection
19:19 Career pathways in tourism
22:42 The role of AI in tourism
25:19 Storytelling in tourism
28:16 Engaging frontline staff in storytelling
32:22 Appreciation, empowerment and guest experience
36:58 Personal stories of kindness and hospitality
38:48 Career highlights and the birth of Learn Tourism

Thomas Worry: From Seasonal Work to a Sustainable Tourism Career31 Mar 202601:09:49

Episode Description

In this episode of Tourism Matters, Carmen Bold speaks with Thomas Worry, a Canadian tourism professional whose career has been built across seasonal roles, international experience, and corporate tourism operations.

Thomas shares how he navigated working across Canada’s Yukon — from guest services and RV rentals to guiding Northern Lights tours — and what it really takes to build a career in an industry defined by seasonality.

The conversation explores the realities of tourism careers that don’t follow a straight path, the importance of proactively creating opportunities, and how networks often matter more than formal job pathways.

Thomas also reflects on the bigger picture — from sustainability and crisis recovery to the growing need for stronger alignment between education and industry — and what this means for the future of tourism careers.

What You'll Take Away From This Episode

• What a tourism career actually looks like in practice — not theory

• How to navigate seasonality through multiple roles and income streams

• Why career progression in tourism is driven by initiative, not structure

• The role of education alongside hands-on experience

• How sustainability and industry challenges are shaping future careers

About Thomas

Thomas Worry is a Canadian tourism professional with experience spanning seasonal tourism operations, international travel, and corporate roles.

He has worked across a wide range of tourism settings, including guest services, RV rentals, cruise tourism, and guided Northern Lights experiences in Canada’s Yukon.

Thomas has built his career by combining practical, on-the-ground experience with formal study in tourism management, giving him a well-rounded perspective on both the realities of the industry and its future direction.

His work and interests focus on sustainability, industry development, and the evolving relationship between tourism education and real-world application.

Connect with Thomas on LinkedIn

Connect with Carmen on LinkedIn

Organisations Referenced

Royal Roads University: https://www.royalroads.ca/

Yukon Tourism: https://travelyukon.com/

Episode Chapters

00:54 Thomas’s Background and Entry into Tourism

03:09 Navigating Seasonal Work in the Yukon

07:52 Working Across Cruise and Winter Tourism

10:50 Building Networks and Creating Opportunities

16:48 Education, Career Planning and Industry Entry

20:55 Working in Remote Tourism Environments

29:01 The Growth of Winter Tourism and Northern Lights Experiences

35:01 Soft Skills and Career Development in Tourism

43:45 Moving into Corporate Roles and Career Progression

55:40 Sustainability, Industry Challenges and Future Thinking

Linda Tillman: Why Regional Events Are Struggling (And What Needs to Change)24 Mar 202600:52:51

Episode Description

In this episode of Tourism Matters, Carmen Bold speaks with Linda Tillman - Managing Director of Tilma Group and co-founder of the Australian Centre for Regional Events - about the realities of building tourism and events capability in regional Australia.

Linda shares how a university assignment on rural tourism resulted in a 20-year career working alongside regional communities, and how she built a business focused on helping destinations grow through tourism and events.

The conversation explores the critical role events play in regional economies, why so many events are under pressure, and the persistent challenges that haven’t changed in decades.

Linda also introduces a bold idea for the future — regional support hubs designed to take pressure off event organisers and allow them to focus on what actually matters: creating great experiences.

What You'll Take Away From This Episode

 • Why events are critical to regional tourism and community development
 • The three core challenges facing regional events: people, money, and compliance
 • How outdated operating models are contributing to burnout and “same-same” events
 • Why volunteering models need to evolve to attract younger people
 • The opportunity to rethink how events are supported through shared services and regional hubs

About Linda

Linda Tillman is the Managing Director of Tilma Group, a consultancy she founded in 2008 to support regional and rural communities through tourism and events.

She has spent nearly 20 years working across Australia on destination development, event strategy, and industry capability building, partnering with government, regional tourism organisations, and local communities.

Linda is also the co-founder of the Australian Centre for Regional Events, which focuses on strengthening the long-term sustainability of events through training, mentoring, and capability development.

Her work sits at both the strategic and grassroots level — helping shape big-picture tourism strategies while working directly with operators and communities on the ground.

Connect with Linda on LinkedIn

Connect with Carmen on LinkedIn

Organisations Referenced

Tilma Group: https://tilmagroup.com.au/

Australian Centre for Regional Events: https://australianregionalevents.com.au/

Episode Chapters

 01:48 Getting to Know Linda
 06:10 Early Career Interests in Tourism
 11:33 Discovering a Passion for Regional Tourism
 15:05 First Role in Local Government
 16:26 Travelling Australia and Career Direction
 19:28 Breaking into the Industry Through Networking
 24:06 Starting Tilma Group
 33:29 The Role of Events in Regional Tourism
 36:39 Launching the Australian Centre for Regional Events
 37:38 Challenges Facing Regional Events
 41:34 Workforce and Volunteering in Regional Communities
 44:11 Skills, Capacity and Capability Gaps
 46:09 Rethinking the Event Model

Professor Anne Hardy: Why Tourism Research Matters - Behaviour, Data and Antarctica10 Mar 202601:12:44

In this episode of Tourism Matters, Carmen Bold speaks with Professor Anne Hardy — tourism researcher, consultant, academic, and Chair of Destination Southern Tasmania — about how research can shape tourism decisions.

Anne shares the story of her career in tourism academia, from studying tourism’s impacts on communities to leading innovative projects like Tourism Tracer, which used smartphone technology to track how visitors move through destinations. She also discusses her research in Antarctica exploring whether travel experiences can influence environmental behaviour.

The conversation explores why tourism operators rarely access academic research, how behaviour change theories can improve visitor experiences, and why the industry needs stronger connections with universities.

Anne also reflects on redundancy after a 20-year academic career and her mission to help researchers communicate their work more effectively with industry.

What You'll Take Away From This Episode

 • How tourism researchers study visitor behaviour and decision-making
 • The Tourism Tracer project and how technology tracked visitor movement
 • What Antarctica tourism reveals about behaviour change and sustainability
 • Why tourism businesses should engage more with academic research
 • How behaviour change theory can improve visitor experiences and operations

About Anne

Professor Anne Hardy is a tourism researcher whose work focuses on tourism behaviour, mobility, sustainability, and research communication.

Across a 20-year academic career she has published more than 80 journal articles and four books, with her research cited over 3,000 times. Her work has been presented at international forums including the United Nations World Tourism Organization and the United Nations Environment Program.

Anne is particularly known for pioneering projects such as Tourism Tracer, which tracked visitor movement across destinations using mobile technology, and for her research exploring how travel experiences — particularly in Antarctica — can influence environmental behaviour.

She is currently Chair of Destination Southern Tasmania and now works to bridge the gap between tourism research and industry practice.

Connect with Anne on LinkedIn

Connect with Carmen on LinkedIn

Organisations Referenced

Destination Southern Tasmania: https://southerntasmania.com.au/

Omineca Consulting: https://www.ominecaconsulting.com/

Antarctic Treaty System: https://www.ats.aq/

Google Scholar: https://scholar.google.com/

University of Tasmania: https://www.utas.edu.au/

Episode Chapters

 02:58 Travel Preferences and Experiences
 05:58 Early Life and Education in Tasmania
 08:55 Career Path: From Law to Tourism
 11:58 Academic Journey and Research Focus
 14:58 Impact of Family on Career Choices
 17:59 Understanding Academia and the PhD Process
 21:00 Communicating Research and Industry Engagement
 23:42 The Evolution of Academic Communication
 26:46 Anne’s Career Journey and Experiences
 31:44 Innovative Research and Technology in Tourism
 38:04 Transformative Travel Experiences
 49:31 Navigating Career Changes and Future Aspirations
 53:39 Embracing the Radical Sabbatical
 56:38 Navigating Academic Careers
 01:00:07 Understanding Human Behaviour in Tourism
 01:04:50 The Importance of Communication in Research

Matt Scott: Tour Guiding, Product Development and Building a Global Tourism Career04 Mar 202601:18:03

In this episode of Tourism Matters, join Carmen Bold as she chats with Matt Scott about his journey through international tourism, tour guiding and product development.

Matt shares how early travel experiences and cultural exposure led him into the tourism industry, including years guiding tours across Europe and developing high-end travel experiences. The conversation explores the importance of training, customer service and adaptability in tourism, along with insights into product development, river cruising and sustainable tourism practices.

What you'll take away from this episode

 • How international travel and cultural exposure shaped Matt’s tourism career
 • What it takes to succeed as a professional tour guide
 • Why training and customer service excellence are critical in tourism
 • Insights into tourism product development and creating memorable travel experiences
 • The operational complexity behind the river cruise industry
 • How sustainability and First Nations tourism are shaping the future of travel

About Matt

Matt Scott has built an international career across tour guiding, tourism product development and regional tourism. His experience includes guiding tours across Europe, developing travel products and working within the cruise and tourism sectors.

Matt has also worked across tourism development roles in Australia, contributing to projects focused on sustainable tourism, regional development and cultural tourism initiatives.

Connect with Matt on LinkedIn

Connect with Carmen on LinkedIn

Organisations and industry references mentioned

Fat Tire Tours: https://fattiretours.com
Backroads Tours: https://www.backroads.com
City Wonders: https://citywonders.com
Many Rivers: https://manyrivers.org.au/

Episode Chapters

 00:00 Introduction and early travel experiences
 03:00 Early life, gap years and cultural exposure
 09:00 Volunteering and discovering tourism
 12:00 University and first steps into the industry
 18:00 Camp counselling and international experiences
 21:00 Living in Paris and working as a tour guide
 26:00 Training and professional development in tourism
 30:00 Seasonality and life as a tour guide
 32:00 Creating memorable experiences for travellers
 39:00 Moving into tourism product development
 46:00 Insights into the river cruise industry
 53:00 Returning to Australia and new career opportunities
 56:00 Exploring Australia through tourism work
 59:00 Navigating the tourism industry during COVID
 01:02:00 Moving into regional economic development
 01:04:00 First Nations tourism and cultural engagement
 01:09:00 Sustainable tourism and future industry challenges

Emma Rhoades: Tourism Careers, Networking and Navigating Workforce Challenges25 Feb 202600:41:50

In this episode of Tourism Matters, join Carmen Bold as she chats with Emma Rhoades about her career journey and her current work supporting tourism businesses through workforce development at the Queensland Tourism Industry Council (QTIC).

Emma reflects on returning to university later in life, re-entering the workforce after raising children, and finding her place in the tourism industry. The conversation explores workforce challenges across tourism, the importance of networking and building relationships, and practical advice for people looking to start or grow their careers in the industry.

What you'll take away from this episode

 • Why networking is one of the most powerful tools for building a tourism career
 • How career paths in tourism often evolve through unexpected opportunities
 • The workforce challenges facing tourism operators today
 • Why passion and persistence matter when building a career in tourism
 • Practical advice for job seekers looking to enter the tourism industry
 • How industry organisations are supporting tourism operators and employees

About Emma

Emma Rhoades works as a workforce advisor with QTIC, supporting tourism businesses across Queensland with workforce development, industry challenges and career pathways.

Her career journey includes returning to university later in life and re-entering the workforce after raising children. Emma is passionate about helping people navigate careers in tourism and connecting industry operators with the support they need.

The Industry Workforce Advisor Program is supported and funded by the Queensland Government.

Connect with Emma on LinkedIn

Connect with Carmen on LinkedIn

Organisations and industry references mentioned

Queensland Tourism Industry Council (QTIC) https://www.qtic.com.au

Accor Heartist Ethos: https://group.accor.com/en/group/people-at-our-heart/our-heartist-ethos

Episode Chapters

 00:00 Introduction and early career aspirations
 03:00 Education and early career interests
 06:00 Working at Telstra and stepping away for motherhood
 08:00 Returning to university and rediscovering career direction
 11:00 Navigating career transitions and self-reflection
 13:00 Connecting with the tourism industry
 19:00 Emma’s role at QTIC and workforce support
 22:00 Workforce challenges across the tourism industry
 26:00 Promoting tourism careers and industry opportunities
 29:00 Advice for job seekers entering tourism
 34:00 Networking strategies and building relationships
 39:00 Final reflections and support for tourism professionals


Sarah-Jane Tilbury, Leadership, Commercial Accumen and do penguins have knees?17 Feb 202601:16:43

In this episode of Tourism Matters, join Carmen Bold as she chats with Sarah-Jane Tilbury about building a career in tourism that spans international travel, operational leadership and general management.

Sarah-Jane shares her journey from growing up in the UK and entering the tourism industry through travel and car rental, to moving to Australia and stepping into senior leadership roles. The conversation explores leadership, team dynamics, commercial thinking and the challenges of managing tourism businesses through major disruptions such as COVID-19.

What you'll take away from this episode

 • Why leadership in tourism is about empowering teams to succeed
 • How careers in tourism often evolve through unexpected opportunities
 • The importance of commercial thinking in tourism operations
 • Lessons from managing tourism businesses during the COVID-19 pandemic
 • Why networking and strong industry relationships matter in tourism careers
 • Advice for professionals looking to move into general management roles

It’s funny. It’s honest. And underneath the laughter is a really sharp conversation about what modern tourism leadership actually looks like.

About Sarah-Jane

Sarah-Jane Tilbury is a tourism leader with experience across travel operations, hospitality and visitor attractions. Her career has taken her from the UK to Australia, working across multiple tourism sectors and ultimately stepping into general management roles.

Known for her people-first leadership style, Sarah-Jane focuses on empowering teams, building strong organisational cultures and delivering high-quality visitor experiences while maintaining strong commercial performance.

Connect with Sarah-Jane on LinkedIn

Connect with Carmen on LinkedIn

Organisations and industry references mentioned

Hepburn Bathhouse & Spa: https://hepburnbathhouse.com/

Belgravia Leisure: https://belgravialeisure.com.au/

SEA LIFE Melbourne Aquarium: https://www.visitsealife.com/melbourne/

SeaLink: https://www.sealink.com.au/

Tourism Holdings Limited: https://www.thlonline.com

Episode Chapters

 00:00 Introduction to SJ Tilbury and her tourism career
 03:00 Early life in the UK and first exposure to travel
 06:00 Starting a career in tourism and travel industries
 09:00 Moving into the car rental sector
 12:00 Career growth in tourism operations
 15:00 Leadership lessons and managing teams
 18:00 Moving to Australia and new tourism opportunities
 21:00 Working with Tourism Holdings Limited
 25:00 Transition into senior tourism leadership roles
 29:00 Managing visitor attractions and working with animals
 33:00 Empowering teams and leadership philosophy
 39:00 Education, conservation and visitor engagement
 45:00 Balancing commercial success with team wellbeing
 49:00 Navigating tourism operations during COVID-19
 57:00 Team culture, leadership and difficult conversations
 01:00:00 Career transitions and networking in tourism
 01:08:00 Executive roles and industry leadership
 01:12:00 The rise of wellness tourism
 01:20:00 Advice for aspiring tourism professionals


Kate Gibson: Hike Collective, Human Connection and Purpose-Driven Tourism10 Feb 202601:05:55

In the first episode of Tourism Matters for 2026, join Carmen Bold as she chats with Kate Gibson about her journey from horse riding and personal training to founding Hike Collective, a tourism business focused on meaningful outdoor experiences.

Kate shares how Hike Collective began as a mental health initiative built around hiking and connection with nature, and how it evolved into a successful adventure tourism business. The conversation explores the power of human connection in tourism, the role of tour guides in creating memorable experiences, and how the business adapted and grew during the COVID-19 pandemic.

What you'll take away from this episode

 • How Kate transitioned from personal training into founding a tourism business
 • Why connection with nature, community and self sits at the heart of Hike Collective
 • How COVID-19 created new opportunities for local tourism experiences
 • The growing importance of tour guides in shaping meaningful travel experiences
 • What Kate looks for when hiring and mentoring tourism guides
 • Why giving back and supporting the next generation of tourism professionals matters

About Kate

Kate Gibson is the founder of Hike Collective, an adventure tourism company based in Western Australia that creates guided hiking experiences focused on connection with nature, self and community.

Originally launched as a mental health initiative encouraging people to get outdoors together, Hike Collective has grown into a recognised tourism brand. Kate is also passionate about mentoring emerging tourism professionals and contributing to the broader tourism industry.

Connect with Kate on LinkedIn

Connect with Carmen on LinkedIn

Organisations and industry references mentioned

Hike Collective: https://www.hikecollective.com.au/

Episode Chapters

 00:00 Introduction and early influences
 02:30 Growing up with horses and early career ambitions
 05:00 Transition into events and fitness careers
 08:00 Moving into personal training and coaching
 10:00 The idea behind Hike Collective
 13:00 Building a purpose-driven tourism business
 19:00 Entering the tourism industry and learning the sector
 24:00 Networking and building tourism relationships
 29:00 Growth and recognition in tourism
 31:00 Navigating COVID-19 and opportunities in local tourism
 34:00 The three connections: self, community and place
 38:00 Building a strong community of tour guides
 42:00 Distribution and understanding tourism channels
 46:00 The evolving role of tour guides
 55:00 Hiring guides and building the right team
 01:00:00 Giving back and supporting the tourism industry

Penny Brand: From SeaWorld Mascot & 60+ Skydives to Destination Marketing Leader04 Dec 202500:53:22

In this episode of Tourism Matters, join Carmen Bold as she chats with Penny Brand about building a career in tourism that spans adventure tourism, international tour guiding and destination marketing.

Penny shares how her early roles—from performing as a SeaWorld mascot to managing skydiving operations and guiding tours across Europe—helped build the skills that later led her into destination marketing and tourism development at Gate 7. The conversation explores the importance of networking, industry relationships and genuine enthusiasm when building a career in the tourism industry.

What you'll take away from this episode

 • How diverse experiences can shape a successful career in tourism
 • Why networking and industry relationships are critical in tourism careers
 • The role destination marketing plays in attracting visitors and increasing spend
 • What it’s like working as a Tourism Development Director
 • Practical advice for young professionals entering the tourism industry
 • Why passion and enthusiasm remain essential in tourism careers

About Penny

Penny Brand has built a diverse career across tourism guiding, adventure tourism, event management and destination marketing. Her experience includes roles as a European tour guide with Contiki, managing adventure tourism operations and working in destination marketing with Gate 7.

Today she works in tourism development and destination marketing, helping destinations grow visitor numbers and awareness through strategic partnerships and global tourism promotion.

Connect with Penny on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/penny-brand-44349231/

Connect with Carmen on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carmen-bold/

Organisations and industry references mentioned

Gate 7: https://gate7.com.au
Contiki: https://www.contiki.com
SeaWorld: https://seaworld.com
Travel South USA: https://travelsouth.visittheusa.com/en-au/
IPW Trade Show: https://www.ipw.com
Nomads / Australian Backpacking Network: https://www.nomadsworld.com

Episode Chapters

 00:00 Introduction to Penny Brand and her tourism career
 01:00 Early roles including SeaWorld mascot and expressive performance work
 02:30 Moving into adventure tourism and managing skydiving operations
 03:30 Tour guiding in Europe and working with Contiki
 05:00 Managing international tour groups and cultural experiences
 06:00 Returning to Australia and involvement in the Olympics
 07:00 Moving into destination marketing with Gate 7
 08:30 How destination marketing promotes regions and increases visitor spend
 10:00 Building strong tourism industry networks
 11:30 The role of a Tourism Development Director
 13:00 The importance of trade shows, industry events and famils
 14:30 Recruitment tips and how to stand out in tourism interviews
 16:00 Passion, resilience and the post-COVID tourism industry
 17:30 Encouragement for young professionals entering tourism

Nic Cooper: From Tour Guide to Eco-Tourism Founder and the Future of Responsible Tourism26 Nov 202501:02:07

In this episode of Tourism Matters, join Carmen Bold as she chats with Nic Cooper about his journey from working in tourism from a young age to founding Wild Adventures Melbourne, an eco-tourism company focused on sustainable travel experiences.

Nic reflects on the many stages of his tourism career, from tour guiding and destination marketing to launching his own tourism business during the challenges of COVID-19. The conversation explores sustainability, climate responsibility in tourism, and how small tourism businesses can play a powerful role in shaping a more responsible visitor economy.

What you'll take away from this episode

 • How Nic’s tourism career evolved from tour guiding into business development and entrepreneurship
 • Why sustainability and responsible tourism are becoming essential in the visitor economy
 • The challenges of launching a tourism business during the COVID-19 pandemic
 • How small tourism operators can play a major role in addressing climate change
 • Why tourism has the power to inspire positive change in travellers
 • Advice for the next generation of tourism professionals entering the industry

About Nic

Nic Cooper is the founder of Wild Adventures Melbourne, an eco-tourism company focused on creating meaningful outdoor experiences while promoting responsible tourism practices.

Alongside running Wild Adventures Melbourne, Nic also works as a consultant helping tourism businesses improve their sustainability practices and environmental impact. His work is driven by a strong belief that tourism can be part of the solution to climate change when operators embrace transparency, collaboration and responsible travel principles.

Connect with Nic on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niccooper/

Connect with Carmen on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carmen-bold/

Organisations and industry references mentioned

7 Generations Tourism: https://www.7gt.com.au/
Wild Adventures Melbourne: https://wildadventuresmelbourne.com/

Episode Chapters

 00:00 Introduction to Nic Cooper and his tourism career
 03:00 Early influences and starting in tourism at a young age
 07:00 Backpacking, ski seasons and discovering tourism opportunities
 10:00 Moving into tour guiding and building industry experience
 12:00 Career growth through business development roles
 21:00 Moving to Australia and exploring new tourism opportunities
 26:00 Destination marketing and tourism industry insights
 28:00 Pursuing entrepreneurship and starting a tourism business
 30:00 Launching Wild Adventures Melbourne
 32:00 Navigating COVID-19 as a new tourism business
 36:00 Responsible tourism and ethical travel practices
 39:00 Sustainability consulting and industry collaboration
 42:00 The role of small tourism businesses in climate action
 48:00 Creating meaningful tourism experiences through eco practices
 57:00 Inspiring the next generation of tourism professionals


Ged Brown: Low Season Travel, Overtourism and Rethinking When We Travel20 Nov 202501:17:26

In this episode of Tourism Matters, join Carmen Bold as she chats with Ged Brown about his journey through the global travel industry and the idea that led him to found Low Season Traveler.

Ged shares insights from a career that spans tour operators, aviation, route development and industry events. The conversation explores how the concept of low season travel could help address overtourism, support destinations year-round and reshape how the tourism industry thinks about seasonality.

What you'll take away from this episode

 • How Ged’s career evolved from tour operators into aviation and tourism strategy
 • Why seasonality is one of the biggest challenges facing the tourism industry
 • How low season travel can help reduce overtourism and support sustainable tourism
 • The role of storytelling, media and industry platforms in influencing tourism change
 • Why trusting your instincts and embracing every step of your career journey matters

About Ged

Ged Brown is the founder of Low Season Traveler, a global initiative encouraging travellers to explore destinations outside peak tourism periods. His work focuses on helping destinations manage seasonality, reduce overtourism and create more balanced tourism economies.

Ged’s career spans tour operators, aviation route development and international tourism events, giving him a unique perspective on how the global travel ecosystem operates.

Connect with Ged on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gedbrown/
Connect with Carmen on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carmen-bold/

Since recording this episode, Ged has launched The Travel and Tourism Seasonality Blueprint containing everything he has learned since founding the low season travel movement, you can access it here:  https://seasonalitysummit.com/the-tourism-seasonality-blueprint/

Organisations and industry references mentioned

Low Season Traveler: https://lowseasontraveller.com
Tourism Seasonality Summit: https://seasonalitysummit.com/
Routes Online: https://www.routesonline.com

Episode Chapters

 00:00 Introduction to Ged Brown and his tourism career
 03:00 Early career and discovering the travel industry
 08:00 Working with major tour operators and managing global accounts
 15:00 Industry changes and navigating redundancy in tourism
 22:00 Moving into aviation and route development
 33:00 Understanding airline, airport and destination relationships
 42:00 Creating platforms and influencing tourism conversations
 51:00 Managing rejection and building trust in global industry networks
 60:00 Personal reflection and the spark behind Low Season Traveler
 62:00 The concept of low season travel and tackling overtourism
 67:00 COVID-19 and accelerating the mission
 75:00 Building the Low Season Traveler brand and media platform
 77:00 Launching the Tourism Seasonality Summit
 80:00 Trusting instincts and embracing the steps along the way
 82:00 Final reflections on the future of tourism

Solo Episode: Tourism Careers Have a PR Problem27 May 202600:15:04

Episode Description

In this first solo episode of Tourism Matters, prompted by a question asked of her on LinkedIn, Carmen Bold explores one of the biggest challenges facing the tourism industry: how do we attract more people into tourism careers when so many of those careers are still invisible from the outside?

Carmen shares her thoughts on why tourism has a PR problem, why the industry needs to do a better job of showing the breadth of roles available, and why career conversations need to reach far beyond tourism students and people already inside the sector.

She also reflects on the value of education, the importance of lived experience, and the flexibility that makes tourism such a powerful and adaptable career path.

This episode is a call to stop talking about tourism careers in narrow, outdated ways and start showing people what the industry really offers.

What You’ll Take Away From This Episode

  •  Why tourism careers are still poorly understood by many people outside the industry 
  •  The need to broaden awareness beyond travel agents, flight attendants and tour guides 
  •  Why tourism education is valuable, but not the only pathway into the industry 
  •  How tourism can offer serious, rewarding and life-changing career experiences 
  •  Why flexibility is one of tourism’s greatest strengths 
  •  The importance of keeping good people in the industry, not just attracting new ones 
  •  Why workplaces need to support, develop and retain their teams 

About Carmen Bold

Carmen Bold is the host of Tourism Matters and a Tourism Workforce & Industry Capability Specialist.

With more than 25 years’ experience across tourism operations, frontline delivery, events, destination management, industry development, partnerships, workforce capability and entrepreneurship, Carmen brings a practical, real-world lens to conversations about the future of tourism.

Her work focuses on tourism careers, workforce development, operator capability and the role people play in delivering standout visitor experiences.

Organisations Referenced

Carmen Bold on LinkedIn:
 https://www.linkedin.com/in/carmenbold/

Carmen Bold Website:
 https://carmenbold.com

Episode Chapters

 00:00 Introduction to Tourism Careers
 01:52 The Visibility Problem in Tourism Careers
 05:00 Broadening the Audience for Tourism Careers
 06:38 Education and Pathways into Tourism
 07:33 The Nature of the Tourism Industry
 10:02 Flexibility and Career Paths in Tourism
 12:54 Retention and Development in the Tourism Industry

Giselle Whitaker: Saying Yes, Global Tourism Careers and Unexpected Opportunities11 Nov 202501:33:43

In this episode of Tourism Matters, join Carmen Bold as she chats with Giselle Whitaker about building a career across multiple countries, industries and unexpected opportunities in the tourism sector.

Giselle shares stories from a career that has taken her from tourism and marketing roles in Tasmania to working internationally in Japan and Dubai, including leadership roles in hospitality and tourism. The conversation explores adaptability, career pivots, and why saying yes to opportunities can open doors across the global tourism industry.

What you'll take away from this episode

 • Why saying yes to unexpected opportunities can shape tourism careers
 • How international experience builds resilience and cultural understanding
 • The value of developing skills across tourism, marketing, PR and communications
 • How to navigate career uncertainty during major disruptions like the global financial crisis and COVID-19
 • Practical advice for early career professionals entering tourism and hospitality
 • Why adaptability and curiosity are essential for long-term career growth

About Giselle

Giselle Whitaker has built an international career spanning tourism, hospitality, marketing, journalism and public relations. Her professional journey has taken her across six countries, including roles in tourism marketing, international hospitality and cultural exchange.

Through a diverse range of experiences—from teaching English in Japan to leadership roles in global tourism and hospitality organisations—Giselle has developed a career defined by adaptability, curiosity and a willingness to embrace new opportunities.

Connect with Giselle on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gisellewhiteaker/

Connect with Carmen on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carmen-bold/


Organisations and industry references mentioned

Japan Exchange and Teaching Program (JET): https://jetprogramme.org
Ski Dubai: https://www.skidxb.com
Couchsurfing: https://www.couchsurfing.com

Episode Chapters

 00:00 Introduction to Giselle Whitaker and her global career
 03:00 Early career interests and studying languages
 07:00 Moving to Japan and teaching English through cultural exchange
 12:00 Discovering opportunities in tourism and marketing
 18:00 Tourism marketing and PR roles in Tasmania
 24:00 Working at the Australian Embassy in Tokyo and consular roles
 30:00 Crisis management and challenging international roles
 36:00 Building a career in Dubai and working with Ski Dubai
 42:00 International leadership and managing diverse teams
 48:00 The power of saying yes to opportunities
 54:00 Navigating the global financial crisis and career uncertainty
 60:00 Volunteering, travel blogging and entrepreneurship
 70:00 Lessons from global travel and international work
 86:00 COVID-19 and reshaping career direction
 99:00 Returning to Australia and new opportunities in hospitality
 105:00 Leadership style, mentoring and encouraging innovation
 111:00 Advice for young professionals entering tourism
 117:00 Final reflections on careers, travel and embracing opportunity

Zac Watson: Tourism Careers, Digital Leadership and Building High-Performing Teams04 Nov 202501:30:14

In this episode of Tourism Matters, join Carmen Bold as she chats with Zac Watson about building a career in tourism, from studying tourism management at Lincoln University to working across tourism attractions, regional tourism development and digital marketing.

Zac shares insights from roles with organisations including Merlin Entertainments, Haka Tourism Group, Auckland Unlimited and Maverick Digital. The conversation explores networking, leadership, mentorship and the growing role of digital marketing and distribution in the visitor economy.

What you'll take away from this episode

 • How studying tourism can lead to opportunities across many parts of the industry
 • Why networking and industry involvement matter for building tourism careers
 • The value of entry-level roles in developing sector knowledge and experience
 • How digital marketing and distribution channels influence tourism growth
 • Leadership lessons from sport, teamwork and building strong workplace culture
 • Practical advice for young professionals entering the tourism industry

About Zac

Zac Watson has built his career across tourism attractions, regional tourism organisations and digital marketing. His experience includes roles with Merlin Entertainments, Haka Tourism Group, Auckland Unlimited and Maverick Digital, working across tourism product development, destination marketing and digital strategy.

Zac has also been actively involved in the tourism industry through organisations such as the Young Tourism Export Council of New Zealand, supporting leadership development and networking across the visitor economy.

Connect with Zac: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zdwatson/

Connect with Carmen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carmen-bold/


Organisations and industry references mentioned

Tourism Industry Aotearoa: https://www.tia.org.nz
Lincoln University: https://www.lincoln.ac.nz
Young Tourism Export Council: https://www.tourismexportcouncil.org.nz/ytec/
Auckland Unlimited: https://www.aucklandnz.com
Merlin Entertainments: https://www.merlinentertainments.biz
Haka Tourism Group: https://hakatours.com
Maverick Tourism: https://maverick-tourism.com/

Episode Chapters

 00:00 Introduction to Zac Watson and his tourism career
 04:00 Studying tourism at Lincoln University and early industry exposure
 08:30 Entry into the tourism industry and early roles in attractions
 13:00 The value of studying tourism and understanding the sector
 17:00 Mentorship, recruitment and building strong teams
 22:00 Destination development and regional tourism roles
 27:00 Industry networking and the Young Tourism Export Council
 32:00 Digital marketing and tourism distribution channels
 37:00 Data, seasonality and targeted tourism marketing
 43:00 Leadership style and building a positive workplace culture
 48:00 Mentorship, relationships and industry involvement
 54:00 Recruitment advice and hiring for attitude
 62:00 Professional development and learning from mentors
 71:00 Building high-performing tourism teams
 78:00 Advice for young professionals entering tourism
 86:00 Reflections on the tourism industry and future aspirations


Claire Baxter: Turtles, Gorillas in Her Inbox and a Career Across Tourism and Travel Tech29 Oct 202500:55:10

In this episode of Tourism Matters, join Carmen Bold as she chats with Claire Baxter about building a career across archaeology, tourism, government and travel technology.

Claire’s career journey has taken her through some fascinating spaces – from working in tourism product development with Intrepid Travel, to tourism policy roles in government, and now into travel technology as Senior Data Operations Manager at Rome2Rio.

In this conversation Claire reflects on how curiosity, serendipity and a willingness to explore different opportunities have shaped her career. We also talk about transferable skills, navigating career transitions, and how technology, AI and human insight are reshaping the tourism industry.

For anyone wondering whether careers in tourism have to follow a straight line, Claire’s story offers a refreshing perspective.

What you'll take away from this episode

• Why many successful tourism careers are non-linear and evolve through curiosity and opportunity
 • How transferable skills can help you move between tourism, government, and travel technology roles
 • What it’s like working across global tourism organisations, policy environments and tech platforms
 • Why curiosity, adaptability and soft skills are becoming increasingly valuable in the tourism industry
 • How technology, data and AI are beginning to shape the future of tourism and travel platforms
 • Practical advice for applying for roles even when you don’t meet every requirement

About Claire

Claire Baxter has built a diverse career across tourism, government policy and travel technology. Her experience includes roles with global tourism company Intrepid Travel, tourism policy and strategy work in government, and most recently working in travel technology as Senior Data Operations Manager for Rome2Rio.

Claire’s career path highlights the breadth of opportunities across the tourism and visitor economy, and how skills developed in one area of the industry can open doors in completely different parts of the sector.

Connect with Claire on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/clairelbaxter/

Connect with Carmen on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carmen-bold/

Organisations and industry references mentioned

Rome2Rio: https://www.rome2rio.com
Intrepid Travel: https://www.intrepidtravel.com

Episode Chapters

 00:00 Introduction to Claire Baxter and her career journey
 01:00 Early interests in travel, history and archaeology
 02:30 Discovering tourism while studying and travelling
 04:00 Working with Intrepid Travel and global tourism experiences
 06:00 Returning to study archaeology and balancing work
 08:30 Moving into tourism policy and government roles
 10:30 Tourism policy, cultural tourism and community engagement
 13:00 Recognising burnout and reassessing career direction
 15:00 Transitioning from government into travel technology
 18:00 Serendipity in careers and the “turtles” moment
 20:30 Lessons from public sector and government environments
 23:00 Skills that help candidates stand out in tourism careers
 25:30 Curiosity, exploration and developing career pathways
 27:30 Navigating bureaucracy and government systems
 28:00 Transferable skills from public sector experience

Edward Kwek: Business Events, Tourism Education and Getting Your Foot in the Door21 Oct 202500:53:03

In this episode of Tourism Matters, join Carmen Bold as she chats with Edward Kwek about careers in the business events and tourism industry, and what it really takes to get your foot in the door.

Ed has spent more than two decades working across tourism, business events, and tourism education in Southeast Asia and Australia. In this conversation he shares insights from across his career, including how the business events sector has evolved, what happens behind the scenes of major conferences and incentive programs, and the skills that matter most for people wanting to build a career in tourism, hospitality, or events.

We also talk about the role of industry education, why networking is still one of the most powerful tools in tourism careers, and how innovation and sustainability are shaping the future of business events.

What you'll take away from this episode

• A clearer understanding of the business events sector and how it fits within the broader tourism industry
 • How the industry has evolved from traditional MICE terminology to the modern business events landscape
 • The complexity behind delivering large conferences, exhibitions, and incentive travel programs
 • The skills, experience and mindset that help people get started in tourism and events careers
 • Why networking, referrals and industry relationships are so important in tourism career pathways
 • Practical advice for young professionals on CV building, interviews, volunteering and gaining industry experience
 • How innovation, digital technology and sustainability are reshaping the future of the business events industry

About Edward

Edward Kwek has more than 20 years of experience across the tourism, hospitality and business events sectors, working across Southeast Asia and Australia.

Alongside his industry experience, Ed is also involved in tourism and hospitality education, helping prepare the next generation of tourism professionals for careers in the visitor economy. His work spans industry practice, education, and research, giving him a unique perspective on how tourism careers develop and how the industry continues to evolve.

Connect with Edward on Linkedin

Organisations and industry references mentioned

Melbourne Convention Bureau: https://www.melbournecb.com.au/
RMIT University: https://www.rmit.edu.au
Tourism Victoria (Visit Victoria): https://www.visitvictoria.com
Sabre Global Distribution System: https://www.sabre.com

Episode Chapters

 00:00 Introduction and Ed’s background in tourism
 00:30 Understanding the business events industry and the evolution from MICE
 02:15 Industry innovation and new technology in event delivery
 04:00 The complexity of coordinating conferences and incentive programs
 07:20 Skills and experience needed for tourism and events careers
 09:40 The importance of networking in the tourism industry
 12:00 How industry changes shape career pathways
 15:00 Advice for newcomers entering tourism and events
 18:00 The role of education, volunteering and practical experience
 21:00 Cultural and regional nuances in tourism markets
 25:00 Sustainability and digital transformation in events
 30:00 Recruitment, hiring and career development in tourism
 34:00 Attitude, resilience and continuous learning in tourism careers
 37:00 Reflections on how the industry has evolved

Cecil Potatau: Leading the All Blacks Experience and a 30-Year Tourism Career12 Oct 202500:43:50

Episode Summary

In this episode of Tourism Matters, Carmen Bold speaks with Cecil Potatau about what a 30-year career in the New Zealand tourism industry actually looks like.

Cecil shares how he moved from working as a chef into tourism, the experiences that shaped his career, and what he’s learned along the way about building relationships, staying curious, and finding opportunities in the industry. We also talk about his current role leading the All Blacks Experience in Auckland, one of New Zealand’s most unique visitor attractions.

This conversation offers a practical look at how tourism careers evolve over time, the importance of networking in the industry, and why experience often matters just as much as qualifications when building a career in tourism.

What you'll take away from this episode

 • Why relationships and networking play such an important role in tourism careers
 • How tourism careers often evolve in unexpected ways over time
 • The balance between formal qualifications and hands-on experience in the industry
 • What it’s like working behind the scenes of a major tourism attraction like the All Blacks Experience
 • Practical advice for people who are considering a career in the tourism industry

About Cecil

Cecil Potatau has spent more than three decades working across the tourism industry in New Zealand. He currently manages the All Blacks Experience in Auckland, an immersive visitor attraction celebrating the legacy of New Zealand rugby.

Throughout his career Cecil has worked across a range of tourism organisations and attractions, building deep experience in sales, partnerships and visitor experiences.

Connect with Cecil on LinkedIn

Resources and organisations mentioned:

Ngāi Tahu Tourism
 https://ngaitahu.iwi.nz/

All Blacks Experience
https://www.experienceallblacks.com/

Kelly Tarlton’s Aquarium
 https://www.kellytarltons.co.nz/

Tourism Holdings
https://www.thlonline.com/

Weta Unleashed
https://www.wetaworkshop.com/tours/auckland

Episode Chapters

 00:00 Introduction and quickfire questions
 02:39 Cecil’s career journey in tourism
 05:32 Transitioning from chef to tourism
 08:18 Education and qualifications in tourism careers
 11:03 Networking and building relationships in the industry
 17:12 Working as a sales manager in tourism
 22:57 Managing relationships and communication
 26:37 Professional development and upskilling
 28:16 The All Blacks Experience attraction
 34:50 Future trends in tourism

Professor Judith Mair: Motherhood, Migration and a Career in Tourism20 May 202600:51:01

In this episode of Tourism Matters, I’m joined by Professor Judith Mair, Academic Director and Associate Dean (Education) at The Hotel School Australia, Southern Cross University.

Judith’s career began in Scotland, where she studied languages before finding her way into tourism through visitor information, VisitScotland, tour operations, marketing and hotel business development. After becoming a mother, she moved into academia, completing a PhD and later building a research career across tourism, hospitality and events.

In this conversation, Judith shares what it was like to rethink her career after motherhood, move from Scotland to Australia with a young family, and build a new professional life through networks, research and teaching.

We also explore Judith’s research into events, sustainability, climate change, mega-event legacies and the social value of events, including the harder-to-measure impacts like community pride, belonging and what we lovingly describe as the “vibe”.

Later in the episode, Judith talks through The Hotel School’s flexible delivery model, including six-week terms, reduced cognitive load, industry-connected curriculum and paid internships designed to help students move more smoothly into tourism and hospitality careers.

This is a conversation about careers, education, events, motherhood, migration and why tourism and hospitality remain deeply human industries, even as technology and AI continue to change the way we work. 

What You’ll Take Away From This Episode

  •  Why tourism careers often evolve through curiosity, opportunity and reinvention rather than a fixed plan. 
  •  How Judith moved from languages into tourism, and then from industry into academia. 
  •  Why motherhood can change a career path without diminishing it. 
  •  The importance of networks when rebuilding or redirecting a tourism career. 
  •  How events create value beyond economic impact, including pride, identity, belonging and social connection. 
  •  Why tourism and event research needs to be easier for industry to access and use. 
  •  How The Hotel School Australia’s flexible teaching model is designed around the real lives of students. 
  •  Why paid internships can help students graduate with both qualifications and meaningful experience. 
  •  Judith’s perspective on AI, automation and the irreplaceable role of human service in hospitality. 

About Professor Judith Mair

Professor Judith Mair is Academic Director and Associate Dean (Education) at The Hotel School Australia, Southern Cross University. Judith’s research aims to understand and enhance the positive impacts of tourism and events on the communities and societies which host them. 

Her research expertise lies in fields including mega-event legacies, the future of
events, the links between events and social connectivity, and the potential impacts of climate change on the events sector. She has published over 60 refereed articles in international journals and has worked with the International Olympics Olympic Committee and the Queensland Government on projects including event legacies, understanding social impacts of tourism and events, and assessing the impacts of climate change on the sector.

Connect with Judith: https://www.linkedin.com/in/professor-judith-mair-29778a2a/

Organisations Referenced

  •  The Hotel School Australia: https://hotelschool.scu.edu.au/
  •  Southern Cross University: https://www.scu.edu.au/
  •  VisitScotland: https://www.visitscotland.com/
  •  University of Strathclyde: https://www.strath.ac.uk/
  •  Victoria University: https://www.vu.edu.au/
  •  Monash University: https://www.monash.edu/
  •  University of Queensland: https://www.uq.edu.au/
  •  Centre for Events and Festivals: https://www.eventsandfestivals.org/

Episode Chapters

 00:00 Introduction to Professor Judith Mair
 01:37 Welcome and getting to know Judith
 03:49 Growing up in Scotland
 04:53 Studying languages and early career ideas
 06:13 Discovering tourism through visitor information
 08:52 Working in Scotland’s tourism industry
 10:31 Motherhood and rethinking her career
 12:04 Moving from Scotland to Australia
 14:25 Rebuilding a career through networks
 18:02 Research into events, sustainability and climate change
 20:36 Event legacies and social impact
 23:48 Measuring the “vibe” of major events
 25:40 Moving into teaching and academia
 31:50 Joining The Hotel School Australia
 33:25 Judith’s current role at Southern Cross University
 36:37 The Hotel School’s flexible delivery model
 40:29 Paid internships and industry connection
 43:43 Career advice for parents and career changers
 46:23 AI, hospitality and the value of human service
 49:23 Carmen’s closing reflections

Hannah Pearson: Travel, Startups and Building a Business Through Crisis and Consistency13 May 202600:51:39

In this episode of Tourism Matters, I’m joined by Hannah Pearson, founder of Pear Anderson and co-host of the Southeast Asia Travel Show.

Hannah’s career has taken her from studying languages at Oxford to teaching in France and China, corporate London, Kuala Lumpur, travel startups, market representation and founding Pear Anderson, a tourism sales, marketing and market intelligence business focused on Southeast Asia.

We talk about winding tourism careers, unexpected opportunities, building a business in travel, and how Hannah’s weekly Southeast Asia travel report became a trusted industry resource during COVID.

We also discuss workforce challenges, including the disconnect between education and industry, the need for better training, and why passion matters but cannot replace fair pay, support and development.

What you will takeaway...

  •  Tourism careers rarely follow a straight line 
  •  Sales in tourism is really about relationships and market fit 
  •  Consistency can build serious credibility over time 
  •  Education, industry and young professionals are often disconnected 
  •  Passion matters, but it cannot be used as an excuse for burnout 

About Hannah Pearson

Hannah Pearson is the founder of Pear Anderson, a tourism sales, marketing and market intelligence company focused on Southeast Asia.

Originally from the UK, Hannah studied French and Classics at Oxford before working across China, Malaysia, outbound travel, B2B sales, travel tech, market representation and tourism research.

She is also co-host of the Southeast Asia Travel Show.

Organisations Referenced

Episode Chapters

 00:00 – Introduction to Hannah Pearson
 02:57 – Hannah’s early life, travel and love of languages
 05:48 – Studying at Oxford and spending a year in France
 08:42 – Teaching in China and travelling home via the Trans-Siberian Railway
 11:24 – Returning to the UK and starting corporate life
 14:14 – Moving to Malaysia and entering the travel industry
 16:58 – Building an outbound travel team in Kuala Lumpur
 19:51 – Sales, representation and building networks across Southeast Asia
 22:33 – Cultural awareness and market differences in Southeast Asian travel
 24:01 – Navigating language, culture and practical challenges on the road
 26:15 – Moving into the travel startup world
 28:01 – Learning travel tech, dynamic packaging and airline partnerships
 29:17 – The reality of entrepreneurship in tourism
 31:19 – Launching Pear Anderson and choosing independence
 34:00 – How COVID reshaped the business
 36:31 – Creating a weekly Southeast Asia travel intelligence resource
 38:04 – Growing Pear Anderson and building industry influence
 40:31 – Workforce challenges, education and industry disconnects
 46:21 – Passion, wages and retaining people in tourism
 50:24 – Hannah’s final reflections

Carmen Bold: From Bungy Jumping to Supporting Entrepreneurs, my Tourism Career, Built One Opportunity at a Time07 May 202601:04:53

Episode Description

This one flips the script.

For the first time on Tourism Matters, Carmen moves from host to guest, with Sarah Jane Tilbury taking the reins.

What unfolds is not a polished career narrative. It’s a real one.

From retail floors to reservations desks, bungy platforms to Rugby World Cup operations, entrepreneurship to industry capability work - Carmen’s 25-year career is built on instinct, movement, and saying yes to opportunity.

There’s no linear path here. But there is a pattern.

Follow your gut. Stay close to the industry. Take the next interesting step.

This episode pulls back the curtain on what a tourism career actually looks like - and why the industry has far more depth, opportunity, and longevity than people give it credit for.

What You’ll Take Away

  •  Why tourism careers rarely follow a straight path — and why that’s a strength 
  •  How early decisions (and non-decisions) shape long-term career direction 
  •  What working across Australia and New Zealand teaches you about the industry 
  •  The reality of frontline roles — and why they accelerate learning fast 
  •  Lessons from major events like the Rugby World Cup 2011
  •  The difference between having experience and building capability 
  •  Why entrepreneurship is a sharper teacher than most jobs 
  •  The hidden career pathways most people don’t see in tourism 
  •  Why the industry has a workforce perception problem 
  •  How human connection — not systems — defines great tourism experiences 

About Sarah Jane Tilbury

Sarah Jane Tilbury is an experienced tourism and operations leader with a background spanning transport, experiences, and team leadership across Australia and the UK.

She brings a sharp operational lens, a strong understanding of people and performance, and just enough humour to keep Carmen on her toes.

Organisations & Platforms Referenced

Episode Chapters

00:00 – Introduction and role reversal with Sarah Jane Tilbury
 02:00 – Following instinct and staying connected in the industry
 07:00 – Early career decisions and entering tourism
 10:00 – First roles in reservations and industry exposure
 17:00 – Moving to New Zealand and adventure tourism
 22:00 – Bungy, celebrities, and unexpected moments
 29:00 – Rugby World Cup and large-scale event operations
 32:00 – Operational leadership and career progression
 39:00 – Entrepreneurship and the reality of building a business
 44:00 – Industry development, mentoring, and education
 50:00 – Why Tourism Matters exists
 54:00 – Workforce challenges and industry perception
 58:00 – The role of people in delivering experiences
 61:00 – Advice for emerging professionals
 64:00 – Final reflections on career, industry, and opportunity

Tabetha Beggs: Building a Tourism Career Through Curiosity, Risk and Storytelling29 Apr 202601:09:19

Tabetha Beggs hasn’t followed a straight path - no, no.

In this episode of Tourism Matters, Carmen sits down with Tabetha Beggs, Tourism Experiences Lead at Destination Perth, to explore a career shaped by curiosity, risk-taking, and a willingness to step into opportunities before feeling fully ready.

From early ambitions in the arts to roles across tourism, local government, and destination development, Tabetha shares how each experience - expected or not - has contributed to where she is today.

This is a conversation about backing yourself, listening deeply to communities, and understanding that tourism is ultimately about people and stories.

What You’ll Take Away

  • Why applying for jobs you’re not “qualified” for can change your career
  • The role of lived experience in shaping tourism professionals
  • Why community voice matters in destination marketing
  • How regional tourism organisations are evolving beyond marketing
  • The value of saying yes to unexpected opportunities
  • Why no experience is ever wasted — even the ones that don’t make sense at the time
  • The importance of storytelling in tourism and place-making

About Tabetha Beggs

Tabetha is the Tourism Experiences Lead at Destination Perth, with a career spanning tourism, arts, local government, and destination development.

She has previously held roles with Tourism Western Australia and the City of Perth, and is deeply passionate about community engagement, storytelling, and creating meaningful tourism experiences.

Tabetha is also an active mentor, supporting emerging leaders through the Women in Tourism & Hospitality Mentorship Program.

Connecting with Tabetha

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tabetha-beggs-a57a2771/

Organisations Referenced
Destination Perth: https://www.destinationperth.com.au/
Tourism Western Australia: https://www.westernaustralia.com/en/pages/home
Royal Society of Arts: https://www.thersa.org/

Episode Chapters

00:00 – Introduction to Tabetha Beggs
00:30 – From cheese counter to career beginnings
01:20 – Applying for roles before you’re ready
02:16 – Travel, perspective, and curiosity
03:51 – Growing up in Perth Hills
06:43 – Early career ambitions and work experience
09:47 – Arts, theatre, and life experience
12:51 – The unexpected value of early jobs
16:16 – Moving to the UK and career pivots
18:39 – Taking risks and saying yes
20:35 – Why you should apply anyway
22:34 – Working across the UK in exhibitions
25:00 – Returning to Australia and career challenges
29:34 – Kalgoorlie and unexpected opportunities
36:30 – Transition into tourism
41:28 – Strategic roles and industry involvement
45:00 – Community voice in tourism
55:00 – Mentorship and career growth
60:43 – Networking and volunteering
66:18 – Open-minded travel and learning
68:43 – Storytelling in tourism
75:14 – The evolving role of RTOs
77:30 – Final reflections

Birgitta March: Languages, Academia & Why Tour Guides Are More Important Than Ever21 Apr 202601:01:26

Episode Description

In this episode of Tourism Matters, Carmen sits down with Birgitta March, a tourism lecturer, PhD researcher, and former international tour guide. Exploring a career that spans continents, sectors, and decades.

From guiding high-end clients in the US to interpreting across Australia and now shaping future professionals in higher education, Birgitta shares a grounded and insightful perspective on the tourism industry.

The conversation dives into the evolving role of tour guides, the importance of language and cultural intelligence, and the challenges facing the sector today — from workforce perception to technology shifts.

Birgitta also shares her current PhD research focused on bridging gaps between tourism education and Indigenous communities, raising important questions about how we teach and represent knowledge in the industry.

What You’ll Take Away From This Episode

  •  Why tour guiding is more complex (and valuable) than it’s perceived 
  •  The role of language, interpretation, and cultural intelligence in tourism 
  •  What makes a great guide - and why extroversion isn’t required 
  •  The real challenges facing tour guides today (pay, hours, recognition, tech) 
  •  How tourism careers can evolve across guiding, events, and education 
  •  Why human connection still matters in an AI-driven world 
  •  Insights into tourism education and student pathways 
  •  The importance of ethical, community-informed knowledge in tourism training 

About Birgitta March

Birgitta March is a lecturer in Tourism and Hospitality Management at William Angliss Institute and a PhD researcher focused on tourism education.

Her career spans international tour guiding, interpreting, business events, and education. She has worked across Europe, the United States, and Australia, guiding high-end clients, technical delegations, and cultural tours.

Birgitta’s research explores the social identity of tour guides and the role of education in shaping a more inclusive and informed tourism industry - particularly in relation to Indigenous communities.

Connect with Birgitta on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/birgitta-march-tourism-expertise/

Organisations Referenced

  • William Angliss Institute: https://www.angliss.edu.au/
  • Tour Guides Australia: https://tga.org.au/

Episode Chapters

00:00 – Introduction and episode overview
 00:23 – Birgitta’s background in tourism and guiding
 03:20 – Growing up in Belgium and early influences
 06:40 – Studying languages and entering tourism
 13:00 – Moving to the US and guiding high-end clients
 20:45 – Transition to Australia and early tour guiding challenges
 24:55 – Technical tours and interpreting across industries
 30:34 – Moving into teaching and education
 34:21 – Research on tour guide identity and belonging
 36:25 – Key challenges facing tour guides today
 41:12 – AI, tourism, and the role of human connection
 48:45 – Transition to higher education and PhD research
 50:24 – Bridging tourism education and Indigenous knowledge
 55:43 – Final reflections on tourism careers

Brad Rowe: The Art + Science Behind Memorable Tourism Experiences15 Apr 202600:52:12

In this episode, Carmen is joined by Brad Rowe, a tourism consultant with deep experience across product development, infrastructure, and destination management.

We explore his journey from growing up in New Zealand to working on major tourism projects in Queenstown and internationally, including large-scale gondola and chairlift developments.

Brad shares practical insights on experience design, what actually drives return on investment in tourism, and how operators can create moments that guests remember and share.

What You’ll Take Away From This Episode

  •  What “experience design” really means in a tourism context 
  •  How visitor experience directly links to revenue and ROI 
  •  Behind-the-scenes insights into major Queenstown tourism developments 
  •  The shift from employment to consulting in the tourism industry 
  •  What separates average experiences from truly memorable ones 
  •  Why operational detail matters just as much as big ideas 

About Brad Rowe

Brad Rowe is a tourism consultant and the founder of Tourism x Design, where he helps tourism businesses and destinations create innovative visitor experiences.

With more than 15 years in the visitor economy, Brad has worked across tourism development, infrastructure, and destination strategy - helping launch new tourism concepts, scale visitor experiences, and support destinations to build more resilient tourism economies.

The career path he followed was not a conventional one - he took some leaps of faith and rode some waves of tourism growth in mountain biking, chairlifts, tech and destination management.

Today he works as an independent advisor focused on experience design, product development, and commercial strategy.

Connect With Brad on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brad-rowe-nz/

Organisations Referenced

  • Brad Rowe Website: https://bradrowe.me/
  • Skyline: https://skylineenterprises.co.nz/
  • University of Otago: https://www.otago.ac.nz/
  • Maverick Tourism: https://maverick-tourism.com/
  • Doppelmayr Group: https://www.doppelmayr.com/en/
  •  Tourism Bay of Plenty: https://www.bayofplentynz.com/
  •  Watershed Lake Sauna Queenstown: https://watershedsaunas.com/

Episode Chapters

00:00 – Introduction and guest welcome
 01:53 – Queenstown’s unique appeal and personal stories
 02:44 – Travel habits and early influences
 04:38 – Childhood and education path
 07:47 – Choosing tourism as a career
 10:42 – Early career and internship experience
 15:20 – Skyline Queenstown and mountain biking development
 20:28 – Gondolas, chairlifts, and infrastructure expansion
 24:24 – International projects and Austrian partnerships
 30:29 – Transition to consulting
 35:20 – Tourism product development and destination management
 37:49 – Visitor experience and ROI
 47:22 – Final thoughts and industry advice

Beáta Szablics: From Hungary to Antarctica, and a New Way of Thinking About Tourism09 Apr 202601:02:37

Episode Description

In this episode of Tourism Matters, Carmen Bold sits down with Beáta Szablics, whose career has taken her from a small town in Hungary to cruise ships, global product development, launching a luxury expedition brand, and ultimately Antarctica.

Beáta shares how a non-linear career — starting in animal husbandry and moving through tourism operations and wellbeing — has shaped the way she now approaches experience design.

This conversation explores how personal experiences, skills, and interests compound over time, and how they can ultimately position someone to create entirely new types of tourism experiences.

It also opens up a broader discussion on the growing role of wellbeing in tourism, and what it actually takes to translate that into meaningful, place-based experiences.

What You’ll Take Away From This Episode

  •  Why no part of your career is ever wasted 
  •  How Beáta transitioned from animal care into global tourism 
  •  What she learned from 15 years in the cruise industry 
  •  The reality of building tourism products from scratch 
  •  What it was like managing a luxury camp in Antarctica 
  •  Why travellers are increasingly seeking deeper, more felt experiences 
  •  How wellbeing is starting to influence tourism in a more meaningful way 

About Beáta Szablics

Beáta Szablics is a tourism professional with over two decades of global experience across tour operations, cruise, and product development.

She has worked across multiple continents, led high-performing teams, and played a key role in launching new tourism products and brands, including a luxury expedition cruise line.

Alongside her tourism career, Beáta has trained in a range of wellbeing modalities including forest bathing, embodiment coaching, and deep rest practices.

She now works at the intersection of tourism and wellbeing, supporting businesses and destinations to create more meaningful, experience-led offerings.

Organisations Referenced

  •  Beáta Szablics 

Episode Chapters

00:00 Introduction and personal background
 01:30 Childhood and early aspirations
 02:29 Education and career beginnings
 04:58 Transition into tourism
 07:41 First role in tourism
 09:36 Growth and early challenges
 11:47 Entering the cruise industry
 14:37 Understanding shore excursions
 17:24 Career reflections and growth
 25:06 Realities of cruise life
 27:23 Moving from sea to shore-based roles
 30:00 Building experiences from scratch
 30:48 COVID and career reflection
 33:36 Launching a luxury cruise brand
 42:24 Antarctica experience
 47:09 Wellbeing and tourism
 48:20 Current work and direction

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