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Episode SummaryAre you selling, or are you just performing? In this episode of Thoughts on Selling, Lee Levitt sits down with the fabulous Stacy Bishop to cover some serious ground—from Midwest values and fintech sales to the surprising wisdom of improv comedy.

If you have ever tried on a "sales persona" like an ill-fitting suit (and watched it fail), this episode is for you. We discuss the "Inner Game" of selling: why your brain is your own worst enemy in a pivot, and why you can't think your way through a tennis swing—or a sales call.

Stacy breaks down the improv concept that "every statement is an offer," transforming how we view objections. Instead of fighting the customer, we explore how to use "Yes, And..." to build momentum.

Memorable Quotes:

• "Give me the opportunity to surprise you." — Stacy Bishop

• "Are you being of service… or serving your ego?" — Lee Levitt

• "Every statement is an offer, not an objection."

3 Actionable Takeaways for Leaders:

1. The "Tenure" Question: Want to open doors you never expected? Stacy suggests asking your customer: "Why have you stayed with this company for 25 years?" It cuts through the transactional noise and gets straight to their values and motivations.

2. Treat "No" as an Offer: In improv, if you reject a partner's statement, the scene dies. In sales, if you fight a "No," the deal dies. Treat every objection as an offer—a new piece of information to pivot on. As Stacy notes, today's "not now" might be tomorrow's "hell yes."

3. Go Slow to Go Fast: Whether it is racing cars, parenting, or selling, rushing leads to mistakes. We discuss why high-performing sellers deliberately slow down the conversation to ensure they are present, rather than just waiting for their turn to talk.

Key Topics:

• Authenticity over Ego: How growing up in the Midwest shaped a career in banking and fintech.

• The "Persona" Trap: Why wearing a "sales mask" exhausts you and alienates buyers.

• Improv Wisdom: Applying "Yes, And..." to sales conversations.

• The Inner Game: Why you can't "think" your way through a pivot (The Tennis Analogy).

• The Practice Deficit: Why salespeople are the only professionals who don't practice their craft before game day.

• The Power of Silence: When the customer starts nodding... ZIP IT.

About Our Guest:

Stacy Bishop is a seasoned sales professional with a background in banking and fintech. She is passionate about helping sellers navigate the wild world of sales without losing their sanity, advocating for authenticity, resilience, and the power of human connection.

About the Host:

Lee Levitt is a seasoned sales performance consultant, sales coach and the Principal of The Acelera Group.

With decades of experience in Sales, Sales Leadership, Sales Enablement, Revenue Operations, and Sales Performance Management, Lee helps emerging and enterprise organizations build disciplined, replicable sales operating systems.

He is the voice behind the Thoughts on Selling™ brand, covering the intersection of deal mechanics and the "Inner Game" of selling.

Resources & Links:

• Connect with Stacy: Find Stacy Bishop on LinkedIn.

• Subscribe: Get the Thoughts on Selling newsletter at thoughtsonselling.com.

Keywords:Authentic Selling, Improv in Sales, Fintech Sales, Sales Psychology, Active Listening, Objection Handling, Sales Coaching, Inner Game, Women in Sales, B2B Sales Strategy.

For this episode I’m joined by Vance Morris—a guy whose journey goes from rock bands to Disney to running premium home services, and now helping businesses “Disney-fy” their customer experience. And let me tell you, the parallels to sales are everywhere.

If you’re in sales and think “customer experience” doesn’t apply to you—this episode will change your mind.

✅ Systems Create Freedom… and Room for Delight
At Disney, every detail is scripted and systematized so cast members can focus on the magic. It’s the same in sales: if you’ve got your basics dialed in—your research, your process, your CRM—you’re free to actually connect with buyers and deliver value instead of scrambling.

✅ First and Last Touches Make or Break You
Disney obsesses over the first impression (parking, music, greetings) and the final moment (fireworks). As salespeople, our first touch is the brand experience. Whether it’s an email, call, or meeting, buyers decide quickly whether they trust us—or not. And how we end a conversation matters just as much.

✅ Experiences Beat Transactions
Vance’s carpet cleaning business sends a $5 gift box to every customer—just a small delight that led to a 26% increase in higher-tier sales. In sales, it might be a thoughtful follow-up, a handwritten note, or sending a “lumpy mail” package that stands out. It’s about making buyers say: “These people are different.”

✅ Don’t Race to the Bottom
Salespeople who lead with discounts or lowest price become commodities. Vance urges businesses to charge for the experience they deliver. In sales, we need to sell on value, not price—and confidently walk away from bad deals.

✅ Retention > Acquisition
It costs Vance $135 to get a new customer, but only $22 a year to keep one. Salespeople too often chase new logos and forget that existing customers are way more profitable. Delight your customers, and they’ll stay—and buy more.

✅ Delight = Revenue
Disney servers giving FastPasses to stressed-out families is a perfect metaphor for sales: solve problems proactively, even ones that “aren’t your department.” It builds loyalty, trust, and bigger deals.

We also dig into:

• Creative ways to stand out (cowbells, coffee mailers, even rubber feet for “getting a foot in the door”)

• Why salespeople should never be boring

• Why “what would Grandma do?” might be the best sales strategy ever

• The real meaning of primacy and recency in sales conversations

• Why you should never assume buyers think like you do

Bottom line: As salespeople, we’re in the experience business. Every touchpoint is your chance to create delight—and separate yourself from the crowd.

Get more from Vance:
→ Grab his free guide: 52 Ways to Wow Without Breaking the Bank
→ Check out his business and Disney bootcamps: deliverservicenow.com

Thanks, Vance, for an awesome conversation that’s pure gold for anyone selling anything!

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In this episode of the Thoughts on Selling podcast, I welcome Steven Ethridge, an accomplished sales trainer, coach, and expert in Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP). Our conversation dives into the pivotal roles that mindset and intentional communication play in driving meaningful sales outcomes.

Steven shares his structured two-part methodology: Sales Mindset Self-Mastery and his NLP-based Five-Step Sales Process. He highlights how a salesperson's internal belief system shapes external performance and how aligning communication with a buyer's motivations fosters authentic connections and improved results.

Key discussion points:

• Mindset as a foundation. Steven explains how reshaping internal narratives and removing limiting beliefs can dramatically enhance sales performance.

• Building rapport effectively. We discuss the importance of observing and mirroring both verbal and non-verbal cues to establish deep, authentic rapport.

• Tailoring communication. Steven emphasizes the need to adapt language to a prospect’s preferred style—whether visual, auditory, or kinesthetic—for greater influence.

✅ Key takeaways:

• A strong, intentional mindset is crucial for long-term sales success.

• Sales is most effective when it is a collaborative, value-driven process.

• Attuning your communication style to match that of your prospect can deepen trust and engagement.

To explore Steven’s sales training programs, visit ethridge.com.

Thank you for listening to this episode. I look forward to hearing how you incorporate these strategies into your sales approach.

— Lee

Welcome back to Thoughts on Selling. This one’s a little different — and a little deeper. I had the chance to sit down with fellow ultrarunner, entrepreneur, and coach Troy Meadows to talk about something foundational: your why — personally, professionally, and organizationally.

Just like an ultramarathon, building something meaningful in sales (or life) demands more than tactics. You need a reason to keep going when it gets hard. And believe me, it will get hard.

🏃‍♂️ Key Takeaways

• Your “why” is your North Star: Whether you're selling software or running 100 miles, the why behind your effort determines how you show up when it gets tough.

• Good sales isn’t about features — it’s about values: If your customer’s why and your company’s values align, magic happens. Think 20-year partnerships, not transactional closes.

• Hire for values, not just skills: High performers who aren’t aligned to the mission will quietly (or loudly) tank your culture and your customer experience.

• The "family provider" and "community role model" stories that show how powerful a personal why can be.

• Troy’s perspective on vesting sales commissions over time to drive customer-centric behavior.

• A classic Merck example that shows what institutional alignment really looks like — and how sales reps need to meet their customer’s mission head-on.

• Leaders: Post your values where your team and your customers can see them — literally. Make them part of the conversation.

• Sellers: Stop pitching and start listening for your customer’s why. Align there, and the deal follows.

• Marketers: Build messaging from the inside out — starting with mission, vision, and values, not product specs.

• Everyone: Revisit your personal why often. It evolves. Make sure your work still serves it.

🏔️ Big thanks to Troy for helping me stretch this episode beyond the usual sales playbook. If you're into running, business building, or just figuring out what makes you tick, check out the Mid Packer Pod and connect with him on LinkedIn.

As always, I’d love to hear what resonated for you — and what action you’re taking next.

Dustin Beaudoin joined the Thoughts on Selling podcast to discuss the intersection of AI and sales strategy, the critical importance of in-depth preparation, and how these elements are shaping the future of sales. Here’s a deeper dive into our conversation:

Dustin's Background and Sales Philosophy

• Dustin Beaudoin, with his extensive background in enterprise SaaS sales, brings a unique perspective to the sales process, particularly through the lens of strategic enterprise sales. His journey through the ranks of sales has made him a staunch advocate for leveraging AI to enhance sales effectiveness.

• He shares insights on how he has developed a passion for integrating AI into sales to make strategic engagements more impactful. His approach revolves around smart utilization of technology to augment the human elements of sales.

Deep Preparation in Sales

• Dustin emphasizes that successful sales strategies heavily rely on meticulous preparation. This involves understanding not just the overarching goals of the organizations but also the nuanced needs of the individuals within these organizations.

• Effective preparation includes researching potential clients’ business models, their industry challenges, and the specific pain points of the contacts within these companies. Dustin points out that this level of preparation allows salespeople to approach discussions with valuable insights and tailored solutions that resonate on a personal level with the client.

Strategic Utilization of AI

• Our discussion highlights the transformative potential of AI in reshaping sales strategies. Dustin is particularly interested in how AI can be used to prepare for sales interactions more effectively, ensuring communications are timely and relevant.

• The conversation explores how AI could automate the gathering of strategic information, thus allowing sales professionals to focus on creating more personalized engagement strategies. This is not just about automating tasks but enriching the quality of interactions.

Key Takeaways and Practical Advice

• Preparation is key: Both Dustin and I agree that whether you are a seasoned account manager or a sales development representative (SDR), preparation is non-negotiable. Coming to each conversation with a robust, researched point of view is crucial.

• Quality over quantity: It’s essential to focus on the quality of sales interactions rather than just the volume. High-quality, well-researched interactions are more likely to build trust and lead to successful outcomes.

• AI as a strategic enhancer: Smart deployment of AI can make a significant difference in how sales teams operate. AI should be used to enhance strategic engagement, not replace the human elements that are vital to building relationships.

The Future of Sales with AI

• Dustin shares his vision for the tools he is developing, aimed at enhancing the capabilities of sales professionals through AI. These tools are designed to help salespeople be better prepared and more responsive to client needs, using AI-driven insights to inform their sales strategies.

Engage with Dustin's Work

• For those interested in strategic sales and AI, Dustin’s ongoing work and insights could be incredibly beneficial. Reaching out to him on LinkedIn or via email provides opportunities to learn more about the integration of AI in sales strategies.

This conversation underscores the importance of blending traditional sales techniques with innovative technologies like AI to stay ahead in the competitive landscape of sales. The key is to maintain a balance where technology enhances human capabilities without overshadowing the essential human touch that is so crucial to building and maintaining strong client relationships.

I sat down with my good friend and former Oracle teammate Jane Scott for a deep dive into customer success. Jane and I worked together for years on the key account team supporting Xerox, and she was the glue that held it all together — truly the most important person in the room.

We covered a lot in this conversation: from the foundational elements of long-term account management, to the evolving role of customer success in today’s SaaS world. Jane brings a wealth of experience and a refreshingly candid perspective on what it takes to really support customers.

Here are a few key points we dug into:

• Why consistency and historical knowledge matter — and how Jane’s 12 years on a single account gave her unmatched influence and insight.

• How customer success is about enabling outcomes, not just solving problems.

• The importance of aligning to the customer’s business rhythm and strategic objectives.

• Why some SaaS companies may not need a dedicated CS team — but the function must still be owned somewhere.

• How internal alignment between sales, operations, and product impacts the customer experience.

Takeaways:
✅ Understand the rhythm of your customer’s business — timing is everything.
✅ Great customer success starts with empathy and ends with results.
✅ Whether or not you have a CSM team, someone needs to own the customer journey.
✅ The best relationships go beyond QBRs — think industry events, shared learning, and meaningful connection.
✅ Ask early: “What will keep us from being successful together?”

🌟 Jane reminds us: “It doesn’t have to be a huge, elaborate plan. Sometimes it’s just asking, ‘How can I help?’”

🔗 Connect with Jane: LinkedIn

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Welcome back to another episode of the "Thoughts on Selling" podcast. In this episode, we delve into the nuanced world of sales negotiations with Ron Hubsher, a seasoned expert in the field.

Here’s a detailed breakdown of our conversation and the key insights we uncovered.

Introduction to Sales Negotiations:Ron introduces himself as an engineer turned sales professional who applies engineering principles to sales, advocating for a systematic approach to sales akin to a manufacturing process. This ensures consistent, quality outcomes through qualified opportunities and repeatable best practices.

The Underappreciated Art of Negotiation Training:Ron observes that while many sales professionals have undergone various forms of sales training, few have deeply explored negotiation training. He highlights the complexity of negotiations, comparing it to different branches of mathematics, where skills range from basic arithmetic to complex calculus. He stresses that negotiations in sales differ significantly from conflict resolution or transactional negotiations, which often have higher stakes or simpler transactional goals.

Integrating Sales and Negotiation:Ron emphasizes that everything omitted in the sales process will surface during negotiations. He advocates starting with the end in mind, ensuring that every step of the sales process aligns with the final negotiation, thus avoiding last-minute concessions and emphasizing value over price.

Negotiation as an Ongoing Process:Ron and Lee discuss that negotiation isn't just a phase but an integral part of the entire sales process. Effective negotiation involves understanding both the business impact and personal stakes for the buyer, leveraging these insights to align the sales approach closely with the buyer's needs and minimizing their perceived risk.

The Importance of Personal Connections:A significant part of the discussion revolves around the personal connections that salespeople must forge with their clients. Understanding both the professional and personal motivations of buyers can dramatically shift the dynamics of a sales negotiation, making it more about mutual benefit and long-term relationships rather than a one-off transaction.

Insights on Discovery and Value Proposition:The conversation also covers the importance of discovery in sales, where understanding the client's needs goes beyond superficial interactions. Effective discovery involves deep listening, asking the right questions, and positioning oneself as a facilitator who helps clients articulate and understand their own needs better.

Takeaways:

• Prepare Thoroughly for Negotiations: Anticipate potential challenges in the negotiation phase by addressing them early in the sales process. This preparation prevents surprises and builds a stronger value proposition.
• Focus on Reducing Buyer's Risk: Tailor your approach to minimize both the business and personal risks for the buyer. This strategy shifts the focus from selling to helping, thereby fostering trust and partnership.
• Build Personal and Business Agendas: In negotiations, recognize and address both the stated business objectives and the unstated personal goals of the buyer. This dual approach can significantly enhance the relevance and appeal of your proposal.
• Negotiation is Relational, Not Transactional: Foster a negotiation environment that views success as a mutual achievement rather than a zero-sum game. This perspective encourages ongoing relationships and future business.
• Use Discovery to Build Value: Continuously engage in discovery throughout the sales process to better understand and respond to the customer’s evolving needs and conditions, ensuring that your solutions remain aligned with their goals.

These insights underline the importance of a sophisticated, integrated approach to sales and negotiations, emphasizing preparation, personal connection, and a deep understanding of the client's business and personal risks.

In this episode, I sit down with Steven Werley, a sales expert, entrepreneur, and endurance athlete with a background in both marketing and military service. We dive into why pushing yourself to do hard things—whether in sports, business, or sales—builds resilience and long-term success.

Steven shares his insights on the role of AI in sales, explaining that AI isn’t here to replace salespeople but to help them perform better. By automating follow-ups, streamlining call reviews, and taking over tedious CRM tasks, AI allows sales teams to focus on high-value interactions. We also discuss his latest project—a new podcast where he builds AI tools for businesses live on air.

• Sales is about helping, not just closing. The best salespeople focus on real conversations and problem-solving, not just pushing a pitch.
• AI is a game-changer, but not a replacement. AI can handle time-consuming tasks like tracking call insights, drafting follow-up emails, and managing CRM updates—freeing up salespeople to focus on selling.
• Efficiency + effectiveness = better sales. Companies that embrace AI-driven insights can improve both their processes and performance, helping teams work smarter.

✅ Sales is human-first. AI can enhance the process, but people still buy from people.
✅ The best sales reps embrace AI. Those who adapt and leverage AI will gain an edge over the competition.
✅ Doing hard things prepares you for success. Whether it’s endurance sports, military service, or pushing through tough sales cycles, resilience is key.

🔗 Connect with Steven:
👉 LinkedIn | Facebook

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In this episode ofThoughts on Selling, host Lee Levitt is joined by Todd Busler, founder of Champify. Todd shares his journey from sales engineering to leading revenue organizations and launching a company designed to revolutionize outbound sales efficiency.

Lee and Todd dive into the evolving nature of sales, the importance of coaching over managing, and why the best salespeople are often ex-athletes, musicians, or gamers. They also explore how reps can leverage relationships and first-party data to improve efficiency in an increasingly difficult outbound sales environment.

Key Takeaways

1. The Art of Selling Hasn’t Changed – But the Tools Have

   • Sales is still about relationships, trust, and persistence. While AI and automation can assist, the best reps still prioritize human connection.
   • The most effective sellers don’t rely on scripts; they deeply understand their customers and help them solve real problems.

2. Great Sales Leaders Coach, Not Manage

   • The transition from top-performing rep to manager can be tough—many fall into the trap of becoming a "super rep" instead of a true coach.
   • The best leaders create a culture of accountability, continuous learning, and execution rather than micromanaging or seeking to be liked.

3. Outbound Sales is Harder – But Relationships Unlock Success

   • Traditional outbound strategies are less effective than they were 5-10 years ago. The best reps leverage past relationships, advocates, and past customers who already know and trust them.
   • Tools like Champify systematize what great reps do naturally—tracking job changes and using existing relationships to warm up cold outbound efforts.

Actionable Insights

• If you’re a sales rep, commit to continuous learning—whether through listening to podcasts, reading, or studying top performers.
• As a sales leader, prioritize enablement and structured coaching. The best results come from investing in A-players rather than spending too much time trying to "fix" C-players.
• If you’re running an outbound motion, take a hard look at how you’re leveraging existing relationships. Are you tracking past champions and advocates in your pipeline?

Resources Mentioned

• Book:High Probability Sellingby Jacques Werth
• Podcast:For The Long Run(Exploring ultra-running as a metaphor for life and sales)
• Tool:Champify – Helping sales teams tap into past customers and advocates
• Conference: GTM 2024Pavilion Conference in Austin, TX

Connect with Us

• Visit our website:podcast.thoughtsonselling.com
• Connect with Lee Levitt:LinkedIn
• Connect with Todd Bussler:LinkedIn

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In this episode, I had an amazing conversation with Estefania (Fani) Rodriguez Marino, a sales enablement pro joining in from Paris.

We talked about what sales enablement really means and how it’s not just about training or content—it’s about helping the company achieve its goals by aligning sales efforts with strategy. Fani shared her journey, her passion for embracing challenges, and why motivation and context are crucial for sales success.

One of the biggest takeaways from our conversation is how sales enablement needs to balance scalability with personalization. While it’s easy to create one-size-fits-all training programs, real impact comes when we tailor initiatives to the individual needs of sales reps.

We also discussed the importance (and power!) of listening—not just hearing words, but truly understanding what prospects and sales teams need to succeed.

Another key point we touched on is how sales enablement is really about selling change to sellers. Just like in sales, we have to position new tools and processes in a way that resonates with reps and helps them see the benefits. Fani emphasized that salespeople need to understand their role within the bigger picture to stay motivated and engaged.

Key Takeaways:

Sales enablement is about aligning sales execution with company strategy, not just training and content. Listening is a superpower—great salespeople don’t just hear, they understand and adapt. To drive change, enablement leaders must “sell” new initiatives to reps by focusing on tangible benefits. Balancing scalable programs with personalized support is the key to effective sales enablement.Want to connect with Fani? Find her on LinkedIn and stay tuned for exciting things coming in 2025!