In this episode, the Packers call up their hockey mentor and go-to person for mom advice, Meghan Duggan. Meghan is a former pro hockey player, three time Olympian, and mom of three. She was captain to Madison at University of Wisconsin and to Anya in the CWHL, and continues to be an inspiring leader to all who know her in work and life. Meghan and her wife had their first kid just before Madison and Anya (during COVID no less), and together they discuss their experiences as queer parents, the challenges they face, and their shared mission to nurture empathetic, kind-hearted kids in a world filled with adversity.

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It’s the moment we’ve all been waiting for! Hockey players and married couple Madison and Anya Packer glide onto the podcast scene with their very own show. Their goal? To fill a gap in women’s sports content around what it’s like to be a professional athlete and a mom. They’ll do this by talking to other athletes about their unique experiences, but first, the Packers open up about their own lives to show just how chaotic and unpredictable this life can be. How did Anya and Madison survive with Anya solo parenting their two kids last summer, while Madison geared up for the PWHL's second season? And how did their wild parenthood journey start in the first place? Learn about their early relationship and marriage, their challenges of conceiving through IUI, Anya's two pregnancies and postpartum depression, and how they support one another today.

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Anyone who gets to the top of their sport has a very strong “why” that drove them to get there. For Ashlyn Harris, soccer was her way out of an unstable childhood. Her work ethic led to an enviable career which included 10 seasons playing in the NWSL and two World Cup wins on the US Women’s National Team. While playing, she was an advocate for players, fighting alongside her teammates for equal pay in women’s soccer. Post retirement, she continues to use her platform to raise awareness around issues that are important to her, such as LGBTQ+ rights and mental health issues. On top of all that, Ashlyn became a mom while still playing, which gives her lots to talk about with the Packers. They unpack the lack of resources available to players, what it’s like to parent as a public figure, and much more. 

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After 146 games at the University of Wisconsin, two gold medals with Team USA, and 154 games over nine years in professional leagues, Madison has announced her retirement from pro hockey. Just after the news broke, she sat down with Anya to reflect on her remarkable career. Together, they explore Madison’s journey and how she came to realize that hockey is much more than just a game — from her early days with the Riveters to finding her voice as an advocate for mental health and LGBTQ+ rights. Renowned as a captain, friend, confidante, and pioneer, Madison played a pivotal role in shaping the landscape of women’s hockey, leaving the sport better than she found it. Tune in for Madison’s heartfelt final love letter to the game, and get a peek at what’s next for her off the ice.

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There’s no sugar-coating it, being a mom is hard. In this episode, the Packers talk to someone who truly understands this: Kirsten Ferguson, a Peloton instructor, single mom of two young girls, and self-proclaimed president of the Ratchet Moms Club, an online community that Kirsten started so moms can be upfront about the messiness that goes hand in hand with raising kids. Kirsten opens up about the miscarriages she endured before having her kids, how she learned to parent post-divorce, and why it is so important to maintain her own mental health as a mom. Hear Kirsten and the Packers give voice to the real experiences of motherhood, in all its messy glory.   

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To fans, three-time Olympian Natalie Spooner seamlessly transitioned back to the ice after giving birth, even earning honors as the 2024 PWHL Most Valuable Player and Forward of the Year. But in reality, there was a lot more going on behind the scenes. In this candid conversation, Natalie opens up to Madison and Anya about the challenges she faced — both on and off the ice — during her pre- and post-partum journey. She reveals how the lack of education around the postpartum experience impacted her and what information could have made a significant difference. Madison and Anya also dive into the reasons behind Natalie’s offensively low draft pick last year and what her remarkable comeback means to them as mothers.

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Few topics are as important to the Packers as mental health. In this episode, they take a second to reflect on where this passion stems from. From Anya's initiative to bring a sports psychologist onto the Riveters team to Madison advocating for suicide prevention on the ice, they share how these moments fueled their commitment to change the hockey community for the better. They also open up about their own struggles with depression and anxiety, and why they encourage their kids to embrace honesty and openness about their emotions at home. Most importantly, they share the resources and tips that helped them get through challenging times. If you're struggling, know that you're not alone—we see you, we hear you, and we love you. 

If you or someone you know is experiencing thoughts of suicide, please reach out to the Suicide & Crisis Lifeline by dialing 988.

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In sports, the bond between teammates often goes beyond the game — you become family. In this episode, the Packers reunite with one of their own, Emma Woods, to reflect on the unforgettable moments of last season. Emma, who lived with Madison and Anya while playing for the Sirens, quickly became a "pseudo-mom" to their kids, forging deep and unexpected connections. Join us as we dive into life off the ice — from how Madison and Emma went from rivals to best friends, to that unforgettable (and hilarious) moment when their son Waylon had an accident in Emma's bathroom. It’s a heartwarming, candid conversation about the true meaning of team spirit and family.

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As 2024 wraps up, the Packers take a moment to reflect on a year like no other. From the groundbreaking inaugural season of the PWHL to the explosive growth of women’s sports, and the personal shifts following Madison’s retirement, it’s been a whirlwind. Madison and Anya look back on the highs and lows of the past year and share their resolutions, hopes, and dreams for 2025.

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Madison’s retirement introduced a whole new structure to the Packer household. While Anya used to bear the brunt of childcare, those roles are now swapped. This creates challenges on both ends that the couple hash out on air. Luckily, today’s guest, Eve Rodsky, can relieve the tension. Eve is dedicated to helping couples split domestic labor evenly–a mission she detailed in her NYT Bestselling book, Fair Play. She explains that regardless of family structure, parents can create a more equal household by treating it like a workplace with boundaries, communication, and structure. Listen to hear all her insights, from the unique problems same-sex couples might encounter to how finding your “unicorn space” can help you stay sane.

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Women’s sports has a money problem--from funding and player salaries to wealth management post-career. Stephanie Dobbs Brown, former CMO at Intercontinental Exchange (ICE) and the New York Stock Exchange, is working to address this issue by promoting financial literacy and equity in women’s sports. She sat down with the Packers to discuss why this issue matters to her and how financial education empowers women. Plus, she reflects on how she grew into her leadership style in a male-dominated field and shares how she carves time for herself and her son.

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Kaleigh Fratkin and the Packers go way back. The story starts in high school, where Madison and Kaleigh threw hits on the ice and butted heads off of it. Later, fate brought Kaleigh and Anya together as college roommates in Boston, cementing them as lifelong friends. Now that Madison and Anya are married and all three have endured the highs and lows of storied hockey careers, they’re closer than ever. In this episode, Kaleigh reminisces on that history, from being a founding member of the PHF, to navigating the waves of changing leagues, to proving herself as a physical powerhouse and impactful leader on the Boston Pride and Fleet. This year is a little different for Kaleigh because she’s not playing, but there’s a good reason for that. Listen to find out what her next chapter holds.

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One of the best pieces of representation for women’s hockey came out last year. It’s Inside Out 2, the sequel to the hugely popular Pixar movie beloved by children and adults alike for helping us understand the emotions whirling around in our minds. Its main character, 13-year-old Riley, is a hockey player, which means the Packers have feelings about this film. They chat about what it meant to see a woman’s hockey team in a popular kid’s movie and then sit down with Meg LeFauvre and Kelsey Mann, the film’s co-writer and director, respectively, to discuss why they chose hockey to portray the emotional swings of adolescence. They also talk about the making of the film, reveal how Kelsey’s own childhood informed the narrative, and why the creative team had to go “into the lava” to create the movie’s most memorable moments.

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Every mom needs her village, and Ali Krieger is a great example of someone committed to building community, both in sports and in her personal life. As a soccer star, she and her teammates fought for equal pay with U.S. Soccer--a move that helped women's sports as a whole. Off the field, Ali embraced the power of a supportive community after a very public divorce and remains dedicated to nurturing her relationships with mom friends. The Packers share these values and dive deep into Ali’s experiences growing up with a dad who was also her coach. They also discuss what life is like post-retirement and why, after a career as an Olympian and two-time World Cup winner, Ali is still chasing those small mom wins.

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If you’re anything like the Packers, Robin Arzón might have gotten you through the pandemic. Currently the VP of Fitness Programming and Head Instructor at Peloton, Robin’s rides are known to be uplifting and healing, which is definitely true for Anya who was saved by those rides in the thick of postpartum depression. Robin turned to running after a traumatic experience in college and has relied on physical strength to maintain her mental health ever since. These days, Robin is more committed to empowering people than ever through her company, Swagger Society, which she describes as “a diverse network for hustlers.” Listen to hear why she thinks everyone should tap into their physical and mental strength and how she leads by example all while caring for two young kids.

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Women are breaking barriers on and off the ice — and sports journalists like Jamie Hersch are leading the charge in elevating women’s sports through powerful storytelling. In this episode, Jamie reflects on her early career as a trailblazer in a male-dominated field, where she had to prove her skills and passion as the only woman in the room. She, along with the Packers, discuss how women athletes often connect with fans by sharing their authentic stories, a stark contrast to the more game-focused narrative of men’s sports. They agree that men’s sports can learn a lot from women. The conversation also touches on the chaotic but rewarding phases of parenting, while sharing excitement for the bright future of women in sports media.

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Social media has become an essential part of our daily lives, from sports figures to parenting influencers. In this episode, bestselling author, podcast host of Under the Influence, and mom of three, Jo Piazza, shares her unique perspective on the powerful business women behind some of our favorite (and sometimes least favorite) social media accounts. Jo pulls back the curtain on the media empires these influencers have built, revealing their secrets. She also reflects on the best parenting advice she ever received from an unlikely source—a random man at Home Depot. Plus, she makes a case to Anya and Madison about why they should have a third baby.

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This week, the Packers are all about Detroit. It's Madison’s hometown and the site that broke the record for US women's hockey attendance on the PWHL Takeover Tour. Anya and Madison recap that Takeover Tour — the highlights, the strategy behind it, and what it might mean for expansion in the league. Then they chat with their good friend Kris Smith: a Detroit local, pro trainer (to the Packers and Madison’s mom!), and founder of Foundry 13. Kris shares how she built a fitness space rooted in community and inclusivity, her at-times grueling journey in the industry, and why Detroit is more than ready for a pro women’s hockey team.

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Madison and Anya have never shied away from talking about mental health — and in past episodes, Anya even shared her initiative to bring a sports psychologist onto the Riveter’s team. Today’s guest is the doctor at the heart of that effort: Dr. Joe Galasso. Together, they explore the powerful intersection of athletics and mental health, and why support systems are essential for athletes navigating public scrutiny, intense competition, and personal identity. Dr. Galasso also discusses the growing destigmatization of mental health, crediting role models like Anya and Madison for helping shift the narrative. Plus, he shares insights from his work with Baker Street Behavioral Health, a practice that supports patients across the lifespan — starting as young as age two.

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It’s a post–Mother’s Day special! Anya sits down with her amazing mom, Lori—the woman who taught her discipline, compassion, and the importance of family. Lori reflects on what Anya was like as a child, shares her best parenting advice, and talks about the joy of watching her daughter become a parent. She also opens up about Anya’s coming out journey and how she supported her through some of her most challenging mental health struggles as a teenager.

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Madison and Anya are no strangers to hockey romance — but they had no clue hockey romance novels existed, let alone were a wildly popular genre! Author Lexi LaFleur Brown joins to talk about her spicy, hilarious new hockey rom-com, Shoot Your Shot. Lexi talks about how her experience growing up immersed in hockey as a kid in Canada and her own real-life hockey romance inspired her book. She also shares how sliding into DMs led to marrying an NHL player and spills the tea on what real hockey world drama made it into her pages.

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It’s been nearly six months since Madison’s retirement, so today the Packers are finally catching up on what life looks like now. Madison gets real about the tough transition to more time at home and tries to answer the daunting question: what’s next? Anya shares her own, very different post-retirement struggles and how they altered her sense of identity. Together, they talk about the importance of a support network, the challenge of too much free time, and the need for better resources for retired athletes.

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Women’s sports are gaining momentum—and brands are finally catching up. The Packers dive into Coach’s multi-year WNBA sponsorship and why more brands should invest in rising stars. Then, they talk to Brianna Salvatore Dueck, former pro-basketball player and founder of Uplift Sports and Entertainment. Passionate about the power of sports to drive social change, Brianna shares her journey from playing professionally to working with the UN after retirement, to now helping athletes build platforms that amplify their voices. She offers insights on the growth and challenges of women’s sports, the impact of NIL deals on college athletes, and how losing her mother at a young age led her to find healing and community through sports.

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Hockey can be a platform for positive change. The Packers know this well and so does their long-time friend and colleague, Kate Whitman Annis. As Executive Director of the New Jersey Devils Youth Foundation, Kate promotes equity in the Devils’ surrounding community by inspiring kids, particularly young girls, to get into hockey. To Madison and Anya, Kate is also an exceptional leader–one who navigated tough discussions as general manager of the Riveters and expertly handled the chaos of raising four boys. Listen to hear how she learned to lead by example and to hear her and the Packers reminisce about their wild days on the Riveters.

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The PWHL season may be over, but the Packers still have plenty to say about women’s hockey. In this solo episode, they recap playoff highlights and look ahead to the expansion draft for Vancouver and Seattle. Plus, in a fun game, they play GM for each of the existing teams and pick which players they’d protect from being drafted. Listen to see who the Packers pick and if you agree.

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We’re back with another edition of hockey romance book club! This week, we’re diving into the hugely popular Game Changers series with the mastermind behind it, Rachel Reid. She explains that her fun, moving, and extremely spicy books were born out of one simple question–what would NHL culture be like if gay players felt free to come out? This is a question Anya and Madison have thought about a lot, and they chat with Rachelabout why it’s so important to have queer representation in men’s hockey. With a TV adaptation of Game Changers on the way, they predict how Rachel’s work might translate to real change sooner than we think.

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In this solo episode, Anya and Madison share their deeply personal journey through postpartum depression, partner support, and rediscovering identity in early motherhood. It’s a conversation about cracks, resilience, and the quiet things we’re too afraid to say out loud.

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Rivalries, locker room laughs, and the chaos of parenting — the Packers cover it all with Tessa Bonhomme, retired Canadian pro ice hockey player, sports broadcaster, and host of the Jocks & Jills podcast.  Together, they dive into the highs and lows of women’s hockey, the reality of working moms in sports, and why there’s no “off-season” for badass women on and off the ice.

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The Packers are tired. Their son, Waylon, is going through a new phase where he won’t sleep. As believers in being transparent about the messy parts of motherhood, they get into what's been going on—the funny stories, the frustrations, and the sleep deprivation. Now they’re turning to you, our listeners, to seek help and solutions for this problem. So please, send advice! 

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This week, the Packers talk to someone who has beaten the odds at every turn. Eva Erickson is a lifelong hockey player who holds her own on men’s teams, an engineer who is getting her PhD at Brown University, and most recently the runner-up on season 48 of Survivor. She got there by being authentic in a game usually known for lying and deceit, but that’s not the only way she's defied expectations. As a baby, doctors told Eva’s parents that she would never be able to live a “normal” life because she had Autism. Eva tells the Packers how a supportive family, hockey, and sheer determination helped her prove those doctors wrong and why she chose to be open about her neurodivergence on national TV. 

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In this solo episode, the Packers get into two very different but equally heated topics. First, they speak out on how horrific it is that the government defunded 988, the suicide hotline that provides support for LGBTQ+ youth. They discuss why this is essentially an attack on the queer community’s mental health and provide resources for where to go if you’re in crisis. Then they discuss the person who always sends women’s sports into a frenzy–Caitlin Clark. Madison and Anya go head to head discussing if Clark is to credit for the rise of the WNBA and women’s sports as a whole, and get to the bottom of why she gets so much hatred from players and fans.

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The Packers are stuck in Michigan and catching up on all things parenting— from hot takes on gentle parenting to the hilarious story of how their one-week vacation turned into three. Then comes the main event: sleep coach and Why Won’t You Sleep?! author Macall Gordon joins to talk about Waylon’s sleep drama (which they spilled a couple weeks ago). Macall specializes in deeply feeling kids and explains why temperament plays a huge role in sleep patterns. She helps crack the code on Waylon—and offers wisdom for every tired parent out there.

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The WNBA All-Stars demanded what they’re owed — and the Packers are all in. Madison and Anya dive into the fight for fair pay and the importance of Collective Bargaining Agreements in sports. They revisit the early days of pro hockey, from Anya’s time leading the Players’ Association to the PWHL’s still-imperfect CBA. Finally, they unpack why women athletes keep getting shortchanged — and imagine what a truly fair deal could look like.

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School is almost back in session, and for the Packers this means entering a new era of parenting. As the kids get ready to go off to school, Madison and Anya’s plates are full with shopping, scheduling extracurriculars, and the hope of making parent friends. On top of that, the Packers are navigating the never-ending quest to overcome mom guilt. Despite the chaos and the cruel realization that school supplies and athletic gear are so expensive these days, Madison and Anya couldn’t be more excited to watch their kiddos start to grow into individuals. Grab your lunch box and hop on the bus as the Packer children tackle this next chapter one custom Pottery Barn backpack at a time.

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Back with another solo episode, Madison and Anya kick things off by calling attention to a phallus fad plaguing the WNBA. Dildos have been thrown on the court at multiple games and no one quite knows why. Some think it’s a marketing ploy, others say it’s innocent fun, but many see it as an act of misogyny and disrespect. In light of this, The Packers give a little insight to the sexism experienced during their entire athletic career. Then, get a peek into the Packer household with an update on our favorite kiddos plus an inside scoop on the planning of a joint birthday party!

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Chirping, yard sales, and reconnecting. Three words that may seem random, but not after listening to this week’s episode. First, Anya and Madison school us in the world of hockey slang. Whether it’s a play, diss, or luscious head of hair, the Packers teach us how to talk like a hockey vet. Then, the Packers talk about their journey to reconnect with themselves and each other after having kids, featuring details from their most recent date night! Shake out your head of lettuce, don’t be a hoser, and take a listen... It’s a barn burner!

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The Packers asked for sapphic hockey romances—and Kelly Farmer delivered. Her Out on the Ice series follows love stories set in a fictional women’s hockey league with a surprisingly realistic take on the sport—from access and equity to league politics and locker room chemistry. Madison and Anya talk to Kelly about building such an authentic world and discover that one of her fictional couples might just be based on them.

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This week, the Packers are recording in a quiet, calm household because the kids are finally at school! Madison and Anya debrief the bittersweet sendoff and share their hopes and dreams for their kids as they start to develop their own interests, friends, and personalities. Come for the cute stories and stay for Anya’s most controversial hot take yet where she proposes a way to…heat up…the women’s hockey season.

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Author, mother, journalist, these are just a few words that can describe this week’s guest. Kate Rope has been featured in TIME, The Washington Post, The New York Times, CNN, and more for her writing on parenting. Her new book Strong As A Girl, empowers parents and caretakers to raise their girls in a way that allows them to thrive. Join Madison and Anya for this insightful and important conversation that every parent needs to hear. But before any of that, the Packers break down the latest PWHL schedule, which starts…WHEN?!

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Whether it’s getting overstimulated at a baseball game or needing to settle yourself as a parent while your child is melting down, our newest guest, Sara Hartley, has you covered! In this episode, Madison and Anya sit down with The Neurodiverse Mom to talk about her journey as a neurodivergent mom raising neurodivergent kids. But, before we get into that, the Packers have exciting kid updates straight from Waylon’s skating lessons. Join Madison and Anya as they learn new parenting techniques, grounding tools, and more, maybe you’ll adopt a few into your household.

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This week, the Packers address an issue tough for any parent. This year alone, there have been over 120 school shootings in America. This topic hits home for thousands of families and Madison and Anya are here to share their thoughts as concerned mothers. No matter your political party, all children should feel safe going to school, and no parent should ever have to wonder if their child will make it home. Take a seat for a heavier conversation, and learn how you can enact change, starting in your own backyard.

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Fall feels a little different for the Packers this year. For the first time ever, Madison isn’t at training camp and honestly, she’s not mad about having more free time and not getting her ass kicked on the ice. Anya, on the other hand, is nostalgic for her training camp days–the camaraderie, the euphoria of making the team, and yes, even the soreness. But better than all of that is what comes after training camp: hockey season! Looking forward to the PWHL’s third season, the Packers talk through new team rosters, predict how an Olympic year will affect players, and dream up new ways to bolster the sport.

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Everyone is going back to school, including college athletes. Join the Packers in a discussion about the ways the D1 recruitment process has changed drastically since their collegiate careers. The two also share their wildly different recruitment experiences and provide advice to kids and parents who might be in the weeds of this process now. At the end of the day, Madison and Anya are proof that it doesn’t matter where you start, it’s how much work you’re willing to put in.

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After discovering the latest self-improvement TikTok trend, The Great Lock In, The Packers are on a mission to optimize the last four months of 2025. But first, they catch us up on the latest with their little ones and school and Madison lets us in on an exciting career shift. Then, the Packers’ Great Lock In, or as they’re calling it, Great Pack Up, begins. Come along on this manifestation journey, whether you’re searching for wealth, health, or something else!

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Our next guest is a pillar in the women’s sports community who’s as hilarious as they are hot. It’s actor, comedian, and musician E.R. Fightmaster, who, as co-host of the hit podcast Jockular, has dedicated a huge part of their career to increasing the visibility of women’s sports. Together, E.R. and the Packers cover all the hot debates facing women’s sports today, including how queer women treat professional athletes and inequities of men’s and women’s sports. And don’t worry, Anya gets to swoon over E.R.’s steamy role as the first non-binary character on Grey’s Anatomy.

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Lately, Madison and Anya have gone all-in on a new role: coaching youth hockey. This challenging yet rewarding job is making the Packers reflect on the ghosts of coaches past from their time on the ice. Madison and Anya discuss how important it was that they started coaching because of the representation it shows to the girls and to chart a new path away from yelling and berating style of coaching that they endured at the youth level. There’s no better way to give back to the community as a pro athlete than to give back to the next generation, so listen to learn how Madison and Anya are committing to make a difference.

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This week, the Packers play detective as they debate why the PWHL is waiting until next season to release Vancouver and Seattle’s team names and logos. Is this a marketing tactic or a blatant lack of care for women’s hockey? Logos aside, Madison and Anya also get into where each team stands with their training camp roster and predict how the start of the season will play out. All that plus Halloween nostalgia and a Lego mystery finally solved in this week’s episode.

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Being a professional athlete is hard work, and so is being a mother. Over this past year, Madison and Anya have opened up their lives for the sake of women everywhere, sharing the good, the bad, and the ugly. Whether you’re a mom, an athlete, both, or none of the above, the Packers’ mission with this show was to make audiences feel seen by filling a gap in women's sports media. To celebrate the end of season one, The Packers walk down memory lane to reminisce over how much they have grown as people, parents, and podcasters. From sleep experts to authors to athletes to activists, the Packers left no stone unturned when it came to the line-up of riveting conversations. Enjoy this recap while Madison and Anya take a well-deserved rest, but don’t worry These Packs will Puck again soon 🏒 .

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