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High School Stabbing - Killed on Camera01 Jul 202500:23:57

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the prosecution opening in the trial of a 15-year-old accused of murdering a fellow pupil, Harvey Willgoose, at a school in Sheffield in February 2025.


The attack happened in the school courtyard just minutes into the lunch break. The boy, who cannot be named for legal reasons, has admitted Harvey’s manslaughter, but denies murder - saying he suffered from a loss of control which his lawyers have claimed was the end result of a long period of bullying.


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Production Manager: Vittoria Cecchini


Voice Actors: Lucy Ryan and Rhys Hanson


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T​hree trials. Three continents. Here’s what’s coming up next week.25 Apr 202500:03:57

Next week, The Trial returns, taking you inside three of the most explosive legal battles playing out across the globe.


In the U.S.A., music mogul Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs stands accused of multiple charges including sex trafficking and racketeering, which he strongly denies. We'll be on the ground, reporting the facts as his trial unfolds in New York.


In Australia, Erin Patterson will stand trial, accused of three counts of murder and one count of attempted murder, after allegedly serving poisonous mushrooms to her ex-husband’s family members. We’ll be reporting from the courtroom in Morwell, Victoria as the case plays out.


And in Paris, the men accused of robbing Kim Kardashian at gunpoint in 2016 finally stand trial. We’ll be there, reporting every detail as it happens.


Follow all of our feeds now to listen.


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The Inquiry - Over to the CCRC03 Apr 202500:26:27

In this episode Caroline and Liz have the latest on Lucy Letby’s defence case after her barrister Mark McDonald hand delivered the evidence which he says proves her convictions are unsafe, to the Criminal Cases Review Commission. So we sent Liz to have a chat with him.


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Introducing The Trial of Erin Patterson18 Sep 202400:10:40

The following is a sample of our brand new series 'The Trial of Erin Patterson'.

To listen to the full episode, search for 'The Trial of Erin Patterson' wherever you get your podcasts.


Australian mother-of-two, Erin Patterson, has been charged with three counts of murder and five counts of attempted murder after allegedly serving poisonous mushrooms to her ex husband’s family members.

 

In July of 2023, Gail Patterson, Don Patterson and Heather Wilkinson all died, and Ian Wilkinson was left fighting for life after eating Beef Wellington served at a family lunch. 


Four counts of attempting to murder her former husband from preceding years have also been added to the charge sheet.

 

In this episode broadcast journalist Caroline Cheetham and Melbourne based correspondent, Wayne Flowers discuss the case and the tight reporting restrictions in place in the run up to the trial which is set for 28th April 2025.

 

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Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Wayne Flower

Guest: Paul Svilans

Editor: Chelsey Moore

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Executive Producer: Lucy Vallance

 

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High School Stabbing - ‘He carried knives’08 Jul 202500:20:37

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the first of the pupils to give evidence at the trial of the teenager accused of murdering Harvey Willgoose at a school in Sheffield.


One friend of Harvey's told police that the defendant was known to bring weapons into school - and claimed the boy had once asked him to feel the outline of an axe hidden in his trousers.


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High School Stabbing - “I lost it”04 Jul 202500:22:50

In this episode Caroline and Jack hear from the teachers at the school where Harvey Willgoose was killed.


He was described as a cheeky pupil who never crossed the line and in the hours before he died, he joked that nobody would stab him.


The pupil from the same school accused of his murder says he lost control after suffering long-term bullying, violence and poor treatment.


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High School Stabbing - 'I can’t control it’11 Jul 202500:30:17

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the evidence of several teachers who have described the horrifying moment they found 15-year-old Harvey Willgoose had been fatally injured in the school courtyard.


The trial also heard that the boy accused of murdering him had a history of being bullied over a medical issue and that he told the headteacher he only brought a knife to school that day because he was scared for his safety.


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Constance Marten and Mark Gordon - The Verdict14 Jul 202500:41:05

In January 2023, Constance Marten and Mark Gordon went on the run with their newborn baby Victoria. After a nationwide hunt, the couple were found. Two days later, so was the body of Victoria.


Last year a jury found the pair guilty of concealing the birth of a child and perverting the course of justice. However, unable to reach a verdict on the charge of manslaughter, the jury was discharged. Constance Marten and Mark Gordon have faced a retrial on this charge, and today, we finally have the verdict.


Caroline and Jack also sit down with Detective Superintendent Lewis Basford, who helped lead the hunt for Constance Martin and Mark Gordon, in an exclusive interview.


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Trailer: Constance Marten and Mark Gordon - The Verdict14 Jul 202500:01:15

In January 2023, Constance Marten and Mark Gordon went on the run with their newborn baby Victoria. After a nationwide hunt, the couple were found. Two days later, so was the body of Victoria.


Last year a jury found the pair guilty of concealing the birth of a child and perverting the course of justice. However, unable to reach a verdict on the charge of manslaughter, the jury was discharged. Constance Marten and Mark Gordon have faced a retrial on this charge, and today, Caroline and Jack can finally bring you the verdict.


Listen to the full episode, 'Constance Marten and Mark Gordon - The Verdict’, wherever you get your podcasts.


This week Caroline and Jack will also be bringing you a three part series exclusively to Trial+. They will be delving into the background of Constance Marten and Mark Gordon; details we couldn't bring you until now.


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High School Stabbing - ‘It was me or him’15 Jul 202500:28:03

In this episode Caroline and Jack have what the teenage boy on trial said in the moments after he stabbed Harvey Willgoose. 


He told police he had the knife for his own protection because he thought he was going to get jumped. He said he was protecting himself.


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High School Stabbing - ‘I’m upset all the time’18 Jul 202500:29:25

In this episode Caroline and Jack bring you the side of the story the teenage boy accused of murdering Harvey Willgoose told the jury during the trial.


He described how he was the victim of bullying since as far back as primary school, which led him to develop anger issues he struggled to control.


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High School Stabbing - ‘I’ve got a bad feeling about today’22 Jul 202500:22:33

In this episode Caroline and Jack bring you the latest evidence of the boy accused of murdering 15-year-old old Harvey Willgoose, as he tells the court he bought the “scary-looking” knife used in the attack because he was worried about being jumped.


He also claimed that Harvey had threatened to stab him on the morning of the killing and described how he had not wanted to back down in a recent social media argument because he was afraid of being called a coward.


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High School Stabbing - Anatomy of a Stabbing25 Jul 202500:26:16

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the moment the boy accused of murdering Harvey Willgoose describes the fatal stabbing.


He claims he only pulled out a knife because he was scared he would get stabbed himself and told a jury he now has no memory of the moment he dealt the deadly blow.


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High School Stabbing - ‘You got worked up in rage’29 Jul 202500:23:49

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the cross-examination of the boy accused of murdering Harvey Willgoose.


He is questioned about the witness accounts of teachers and pupils who saw him acting like he had a knife before the stabbing and the prosecution put its case to him - that he did not lose control when he killed Harvey, but got worked up into a rage.


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High School Stabbing - ‘There was a name’01 Aug 202500:40:22

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the closing arguments from the defence and prosecution before the jury retire to consider their verdicts.


Prosecutor Richard Thyne KC said the defendant did not suffer from a loss of self-control when he stabbed Harvey Willgoose, but displayed purposeful and controlled aggression as an act of retribution.


Gul Nawaz Hussain KC, for the defence, said the evidence clearly showed the defendant was in intense fear in the weeks leading up to the attack - and Harvey was simply the final straw that broke him.


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High School Stabbing - Over to the Jury05 Aug 202500:06:47

The jury in the trial of the killer of Harvey Willgoose are now considering their verdict.


They’ve heard all of the evidence and the decision on whether the 15 year old boy on trial is guilty of murder or manslaughter now rests with them. In this episode Caroline and Jack have the final instructions the judge gave them before she told them to start their deliberations.


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High School Stabbing - Guilty08 Aug 202500:34:32

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the verdict from Sheffield Crown Court - guilty.


The 15-year-old defendant was convicted following 14 hours 34 minutes of deliberation by a majority of 11 to one. The episode also features an exclusive interview with Harvey’s mother Caroline.


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High School Stabbing - The Intermediary12 Aug 202500:50:44

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you an exclusive interview with the woman who acted as the intermediary for the boy convicted of murdering Harvey Willgoose.


Lucy Swindlehurst reveals the influence she had on the way the trial was conducted, with her colleague Paula Backen giving insight into how intemediaries operate in the court system.


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Lucy Letby’s Expert Witness19 Sep 202500:05:44

Dr Mike Hall was Lucy’s Letby’s key expert witness. But he was never called to give evidence at either of her trials. Caroline and Liz now ask him why. Search: The Trial of Lucy Letby: The Inquiry

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Lucy Letby: Conviction26 Sep 202500:46:27

In this episode Liz and Caroline speak to Danny Bogado, the director of a new Channel 4 documentary called Conviction: The Lucy Letby Case. They discuss why he wanted to make a film on the case, how he recruited contributors and why he feels it is important that audiences make up their own minds about her guilt or innocence.

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The McCann 'Stalkers' - “Emotional Blackmail of the Highest Order”07 Oct 202500:16:22

In this episode Caroline and Claire have the moment the court in Leicester were told two women accused of stalking Madeleine McCann’s family accosted them at the family home. They also joked about riffling through their bins. The prosecution say Julia Wandelt used emotional blackmail to try to convince the family she was Madeleine.


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The McCann 'Stalkers' - “She is not Madeleine”06 Oct 202500:14:14

In this episode Caroline and Claire have the opening day of trial of two women accused of stalking the family of Madeleine McCann. Julie Wandelt is accused of pursuing the family by email, call and text claiming to be their missing daughter who was abducted from Portugal in 2007. Karen Sprat is also accused of adopting her claims “with gusto”. Today as the case began Julia Wandelt broke down into loud sobs as the jury were told she was categorically “not Madeleine.”


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The McCann 'Stalkers' - The “relentless” stalking of Kate McCann10 Oct 202500:25:38

Join Caroline and Claire as they bring you the latest from the trial of the McCann “stalkers”. In this episode we’ve got the evidence of Kate and Gerry McCann who said the actions of the two women on trial were relentless and distressing. Gerry also said the family still have a glimmer of hope that Madelaine is still alive and Julia Wandelt could have put the investigation at risk. We also have the moment that Julia Wandelt screamed at Kate McCann “why are you doing this to me.”


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The McCann 'Stalkers' - “I’m not a Liar”14 Oct 202500:25:25

Join Caroline and Claire as the jury in Leicester are told for the first time that Julia Wandelt’s DNA was tested and proved she is not Madeleine McCann. In today’s episode we also have the dozens of voice messages and texts she was sending to Kate McCann.


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The McCann 'Stalkers' - The DNA Evidence17 Oct 202500:28:54

Join Caroline and Claire today for the evidence which the jury have been told is the “conclusive proof” Julia Wandelt is not Madeleine McCann - her DNA. We also have the evidence from two friends of the McCanns who were in Portugal when Madeleine was snatched, who say they were also asked by Julia Wandelt to help her get to the McCanns. And we have some of the details on the man who is the “prime suspect” in Madeleine’s abduction.


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The McCann Stalkers - The Chats with Chat GPT 21 Oct 202500:26:34

Today Caroline and Claire have the evidence that Julia Wandelt had to be convinced she was not two other missing children before she decided she was Madeleine McCann. We also have the evidence from a forensic expert who said her DNA proved she was not Madeleine and we have what Chat GPT told her when she asked if she might be Gerry McCann’s daughter.


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High School Stabbing - Harvey’s Killer Named and Jailed22 Oct 202500:36:21

The killer of schoolboy Harvey Willgoose has been named and jailed. Umar Khan was 15 when he stabbed Harvey during the school lunch break in February this year. Today, as he was sent to prison for 16 years, his identity was revealed for the first time. In this episode Caroline and Jack have all the details from Sheffield Crown Court.


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The McCann Stalkers - “I’m not a nasty person”24 Oct 202500:30:10

In this episode we have the words of the two women on trial. Julia Wandelt told police she was the victim and Karen Spragg accused the McCanns of organising the abduction of their daughter Madeleine. She also said she wasn’t a nasty person.


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A hello and update from Caroline & Liz27 Oct 202500:05:52

It's been a while since Caroline & Liz had time to catch up and say hello to you all, and with the launch of our exciting new Crime Desk newsletter, thought now was as good a time as any!

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The McCann 'Stalkers' - The ‘Stalker’s’ Story28 Oct 202500:18:19

In this episode Caroline and Claire have the words of Julia Wandelt as she gave evidence for the first time in her defence. She told the jury she wouldn’t have pursued the McCanns if they’d just done a DNA test. It’s also now emerged she was being advised on her media strategy by a publicist in the UK and a Psychic in the US.

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The McCann 'Stalkers' - The end of the “charade”31 Oct 202500:23:26

In this episode Julia Wandelt accuses Gerry McCann of being involved in the abduction of his daughter Madeleine. She also says he has silenced his wife Kate and she claims officers from The Met may also have threatened her. She said she feels vulnerable since telling her story because people “don’t want the truth to come out.” But, in the final day of her giving evidence, she was accused of fabricating evidence and of creating a charade.


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The McCann 'Stalkers' - “Crack Pots” and “Nutters”04 Nov 202500:28:31

Today Caroline and Claire have the moment the police investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was accused of being in a state of “almost inertia”. The barrister for Karen Spragg said Julia Wandelt was treated like a “nutter” by the police when she said she might be Madeleine McCann, and they should have taken her DNA sooner. The jury were also told that people who were concerned about Madeleine’s abduction were not all “crack pots”.


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The McCann 'Stalkers' - “Why?”07 Nov 202500:42:20

Guilty of harassment but Not Guilty of stalking. That’s the jury’s verdict today on Julia Wandelt’s “relentless” pursuit of the parents of Madeleine McCann. It means she could soon be released from prison and likely deported back to Poland. In this episode Caroline and Claire have all the reactions from the court, including how the McCanns said they hoped she can now get the care and support she needs. Plus we have an interview with Julia Wandelt’s father who told us how damaged she was after she was abused by her step-grandfather and he feels - like the McCanns - that he has also lost his daughter.


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The Liverpool Parade - Road Rage26 Nov 202500:35:34

In this episode Caroline and Liz have the reason football fans were knocked down “like skittles” by a former marine.  It was road rage. Paul Doyle was driving through the city as dozens of people celebrated Liverpool FCs League title, but he grew agitated that families wouldn’t get out of his way and he ploughed into them in his Ford Galaxy. Today as he dramatically changed his pleas to guilty we have all the details from the court. 


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Should Jury Trials Be Scrapped?01 Dec 202500:42:07

Should juries be scrapped? In this special bonus episode Caroline and Liz investigate leaked plans from the justice secretary to abolish jury trials for the majority of cases. It would be a fundamental change to our justice system. And it’s not gone down well.

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Should Jury Trials Be Scrapped? - The Verdict on Jury Reform03 Dec 202500:36:56

After David Lammy yesterday unveiled his proposals to scrap thousands of jury trials Caroline and Liz have the verdict from one of the country’s top barristers. Chris Henley KC said the Justice Secretary’s plans showed “contempt for ordinary people.” He said the issues in the court system which cause unacceptable delays are “embarrassing” but the jury system was not one of the problems. He also said trust in the justice system would be undermined.

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Should Jury Trials Be Scrapped? - "Not in My Name"08 Dec 202500:33:03

In this third special episode about Government plans to scrap thousands of jury trials Caroline and Liz chat to a survivor of child sexual abuse. Vicki Crawford spent years believing she was culpable for the abuse she suffered at the hands of her sister's older boyfriend when she was just 14, and when she finally did seek justice decades later her experience was one of inefficiency, push back and delay. But despite this, she told us, the jury system is a fundamental right in a democratic system and should be retained at all costs. She also questioned if the Justice Secretary David Lammy had spoken to survivors of sexual violence before he tried to push through his reforms.

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The Liverpool Parade - Why did he do it?12 Dec 202500:30:24

Why did Paul Doyle lose control and smash his car into dozens of people as they celebrated Liverpool FC’s league cup win? In this episode, ahead of his sentencing hearing next week Caroline and Liz sit down with Criminologist and former Prison Governor Professor David Wilson who has a possible explanation.

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The Liverpool Parade - Two Minutes of Carnage15 Dec 202500:40:54

In this episode Caroline and Liz reveal the reason Paul Doyle changed his pleas to guilty - his own dashcam footage. The footage was played in court today and it captured the crucial 2 minutes when he rammed his car into 134 people. Some bounced off his bonnet while others were dragged under the wheels. Many of his victims were in court and they gasped as they saw the carnage he inflicted in just a few seconds.

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The Liverpool Parade - Rampage at the parade16 Dec 202500:35:48

In this episode Caroline and Liz bring you the sentence of Paul Doyle and play for the first time some of the shocking dashcam footage that sealed his fate.


They detail how he spent time in jail as a much younger man for a serious violent offence and how his reputation now lies in tatters.


They also speak to a mother and her son, who were caught up in the carnage, and who helped rescue fans trapped beneath Paul Doyle’s Ford Galaxy.


And they bring you an interview with hero Dan Barr, the former soldier and supporter who ran towards danger to bring the car to a stop and who has been commended for his bravery.


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Lucy Letby - No More Charges20 Jan 202600:25:53

In this emergency episode Caroline and Liz have the news that Lucy Letby will not be charged with more offences. While detectives felt there was enough evidence to charge her with 11 offences - two of murder and nine of attempted murder, the CPS disagreed. So what does it mean?


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Lucy Letby - Project Countess21 Jan 202600:45:22

In this episode Caroline and Liz sit down with Dr Susan Gilby in her first interview since she was awarded £1.4 million from the NHS. Dr Gilby was appointed CEO of the Countess of Chester Hospital just after Lucy Letby was arrested, but she was then forced to resign. And then she discovered a secret plot named Project Countess had been set up to get rid of her. It's an extraordinary interview about whistleblowing, conspiracy and the shocking waste of tax payers money.


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Lucy Letby - More Legal Questions 22 Jan 202600:22:10

In this episode Caroline and Liz interview senior barrister Tim Owen KC about the news that Lucy Letby will not be facing more charges. We also have an insight into the latest documentary on her case which will be on Netflix on Feb 4.


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Cold Case Killer - 20 Years On, A Sixth Victim Confirmed 02 Feb 202600:34:15

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the dramatic first day of the trial of serial killer Steve Wright, also known as the Suffolk Strangler, for a cold case murder in 1999. Wright was convicted of murdering five women in Ipswich in 2006 and today he pleaded guilty to the kidnap and murder of 17-year-old Victoria Wood and the attempted kidnap of another woman seven years earlier. It is the first time he has ever admitted to any of his killings. The episode features all the latest from court as well as the questions the case raises about how many other victims Wright may have killed.

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Cold Case Killer - How Many More?03 Feb 202600:36:43

In this episode Caroline and Jack have an exclusive interview with Criminologist Professor David Wilson. In 2008 he predicted that serial killer Steve Wright had murdered Vicky Hall years before. She was aged just 17 when she was kidnapped and murdered in 1999. It took Wright 18 years but yesterday at the Old Bailey he finally admitted it. 

Today we chat to David about why he was so sure Steve Wright had killed before and if there might be more victims.

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Cold Case Killer - A Police Blunder To Beggar Belief 06 Feb 202600:49:29

In this episode Caroline and Jack reveal the catalogue of police blunders which may have left the serial killer Steve Wright free to murder five women in Ipswich and raises questions about whether his latest victim, Vicky Hall, could have been saved too. A judge demanded today that Suffolk Police investigate what went wrong, after it emerged police ignored key evidence from another woman who reported Steve Wright tried to kidnap her the night before he succeeded in abducting and murdering 17-year-old Vicky in 1999. Steve Wright, who is known as The Suffolk Strangler, was then handed a life sentence with a minimum of 40 years for the cold case killing.

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The Nursery Paedophile13 Feb 202600:37:35

Depraved, perverted and wicked - the words used to describe Vincent Chan as he was sentenced to 18 years in prison for abusing the children he was caring for. In this episode Caroline and Ryan have the details of how he used his job working in a nursery and in a school in London to prey on defenceless toddlers and children. He sexually assaulted them and he filmed it - storing the videos and images in files at his home. He also targeted other children and adults too - using a secret camera to record his female friends when they used the bathroom in his home, and he filmed complete strangers through their windows as they undressed. His crimes have devastated hundreds of people who are asking if he could have been stopped earlier.  


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The Trial of Social Media 20 Feb 202600:55:25

In this episode Caroline and Liz get an insight from a lawyer with a ringside seat of the moment this week when Meta boss Mark Zuckerberg walked into a US courtroom to face the users of his platform who say using social media ruined their lives. They claim he knew the technology was addictive and it was part of his business model to make money at the expense of the mental health of a generation of young people. The case is likely to have huge implications in the UK so we also get the thoughts of Esther Ghey, who has campaigned tirelessly to better protect young people online, since the death of her daughter Brianna three years ago. 


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EXCLUSIVE TRAILER: Lucy Letby - Debunking Her Expert Panel24 Feb 202600:10:30

In February last year Lucy Letby’s new defence team told a press conference there was no medical evidence of air embolism in the babies she murdered and attacked. Professor Shoo Lee said he had studied all the literature to make his claim.


But today we hear his claim was wrong. And the literature to prove it was there all the time. 


In this episode, Neonatologist Professor Paul Clark explains why what Lucy Letby’s expert panel said is wrong. Using old and new case studies, he debunks what is currently the cornerstone of Lucy Letby’s defence.


This is a preview of the latest Trial+ episode; Lucy Letby - Debunking her Expert Panel. The full episode is available exclusively to Crime Desk subscribers. To find out more, visit https://plus.thecrimedesk.com/


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Driven To Death? - I Am Now Free24 Feb 202600:22:16

Was a woman driven to kill herself after being allegedly abused by her husband? That is the question at the centre of a landmark trial which Caroline and Nick will be covering in a new Trial UK series. 

In this episode we hear that Tarryn Baird was 34 when she was found hanged in her garage - the prosecution say she killed herself because she was desperate to escape the violent, controlling abuse her husband subjected her to - and that makes him responsible for her death. 

Christopher Trybus is facing charges of manslaughter, rape and coercive control. He denies the charges and says the allegations are false. 

A jury will now decide. 


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