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The Transaction Abstract Podcast

Redpath and Company

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Fréquence : 1 épisode/30j. Total Éps: 62

The Transaction Abstract by Redpath and Company is hosted by Joe Hellman, Partner, CPA, and M&A Advisory Practice Lead and covers all things M&A—providing you with a comprehensive acumen and insightful conversations. Special guests include experts from the world of investment banking, private equity, family offices, search funds, angel investors, attorneys, corporate development officers, and other M&A advisors. Learn from the experts on all aspects of M&A—because buying or selling a business shouldn't be trial by fire. From Redpath and Company, an accounting and advisory CPA firm based in Saint Paul, Minnesota.

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The Role of Tax Planning in M&A: Understanding QSBS

mardi 24 mars 2026 • Durée 18:35

In this episode of The Transaction Abstract Podcast, Joe Hellman sits down with Ashlyn Gray, a Tax Senior Manager in Redpath's Transaction Advisory Services practice, to discuss Qualified Small Business Stock (QSBS) and why it can play an important role in transaction planning.

QSBS, governed by Section 1202 of the tax code, can allow certain founders and investors to exclude a significant portion of capital gains when selling qualifying stock. While valuation and deal structure often dominate M&A conversations, tax strategy can also have a meaningful impact on the final outcome.

Ashlyn explains how QSBS works, the key requirements to qualify, and why early planning around entity structure and ownership can create opportunities for both buyers and sellers.

In this episode, you'll hear insights on:

What Qualified Small Business Stock (QSBS) is and how it works
Key requirements businesses must meet to qualify under Section 1202
How entity structure can influence future tax outcomes
How QSBS planning can affect both buyers and sellers in a transaction
The importance of considering tax strategy early in the deal lifecycle

Listen to the full episode to learn how thoughtful tax planning can help founders, investors, and operators protect more of the value created in a business.

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From Searcher to Operator to Investor: Lessons in Ownership

mardi 24 février 2026 • Durée 19:46

In this episode of The Transaction Abstract Podcast, Redpath's Joe Hellman sat down with Rob Cherun, founder and managing partner of Legate Partners, to talk about what ownership really requires and how the search journey shapes better operators and investors.

Drawing from his experience building and scaling a business to nearly 2,000 employees before exiting and returning as an investor, Rob shares how grit, accountability, and hands-on leadership define long-term success far more than credentials or deal structure.

In this episode, you'll hear insights on:

Why ownership is a long-term commitment, not a shortcut
What investors really look for beyond resumes and industry experience
How grit and emotional durability separate strong operators from the rest
Why the entrepreneur matters as much as the asset in any deal
How alignment and trust shape better partnerships between operators and investors

Listen to the full episode of The Transaction Abstract Podcast to hear Rob's real-world perspective on search, ownership, investing, and what it truly takes to succeed.

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ESOPs as a Business Exit Strategy: Key Insights from Tom Walker

lundi 31 mars 2025 • Durée 18:33

In this episode of The Transaction Abstract Podcast, Joe Hellman sat down with Tom Walker, an attorney from Winthrop and Weinstein with over 35 years of ESOP experience, to explore Employee Stock Ownership Plans (ESOPs) as a business exit strategy.

What is an ESOP?

An ESOP is a qualified retirement plan similar to a 401(k), but with two key differences.

First, the primary investment is company stock, and second, it is funded primarily through company contributions rather than employee contributions. As employees work at the company, they accumulate stock in their accounts, allowing them to benefit from the company's success over time.

Walker explains that while an ESOP might not be suitable for every business, it provides a unique transition option for owners approaching retirement who value their company legacy and employee relationships.

Ideal Candidates for an ESOP

Walker suggests the following characteristics for businesses considering this succession planning path:

Owners approaching retirement (within 5-6 years) who do not want an immediate exit
Companies with 25+ employees (though exceptions exist)
Business value exceeding $5 million to offset transaction costs
Owners who prioritize legacy and employee welfare over maximizing sale price
Companies with steady growth and positive cash flow
A strong company culture where employees have contributed significantly to success

While owners typically receive about 90% of what they might get from a third-party sale, the ESOP offers other advantages, including a significantly higher transaction completion rate compared to traditional sales processes.

Valuation and Governance Considerations

One common misconception about ESOPs involves valuation. Walker emphasized that "The ESOP cannot pay more than fair market value," which is determined by a qualified independent appraiser engaged by the ESOP trust. This addresses Department of Labor concerns about potential overvaluation.

Tax Benefits and Current Trends

Market Trends and Transaction Insights with PGIM Private Capital

lundi 3 mars 2025 • Durée 18:10

In this latest episode of The Transaction Abstract, Joe Hellman sits down with Alex Stuart from PGIM Private Capital to discuss current market conditions and transaction trends.

Introduction to PGIM Private Capital

PGIM Private Capital, part of Prudential Financial's investment management business, operates across various asset classes including public debt, real estate, and private equity. Their Minneapolis office covers five states—Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, and the Dakotas, providing senior debt financing, structured financing, and minority equity investments for businesses across the credit spectrum.

Current Market Conditions and Deal Flow

The current market is experiencing a convergence in transaction multiples, marking a positive shift from the valuation disconnects seen 24 months ago. While seller expectations have moderately adjusted, Stuart notes that deal flow remains selective.

As Stuart observes, "If the only way you can make the deal work is by getting a rate cut, so you get the cost of financing, I can guarantee you this is not the right deal for you." Private businesses are currently more active in completing transactions compared to public companies, largely due to their ability to make decisive moves without extensive stakeholder consultation.

Deal Characteristics and Financing Trends

Successful transactions in the current market share several key characteristics:

Direct sourcing through long-term relationships
Strong cultural alignment between buyers and sellers
Integration and cost synergy potential
Emphasis on higher-quality assets
Increased utilization of junior capital as an alternative to traditional senior debt financing

Quality remains paramount in today's market. "This is not a great market for storied credits. It is going to be higher quality assets, and in those situations, there is plenty of money available on the sidelines," Stuart notes.

Looking Forward

Understanding Private Equity vs. Strategic Buyers: Insights from Borgman Capital

lundi 3 février 2025 • Durée 21:06

In this latest episode of the Transaction Abstract Podcast, Joe Hellman explores the crucial differences between private equity and strategic buyers in mergers and acquisitions, providing valuable insights for business owners considering a sale.

Joe is joined by Ben Axelrod, Managing Director at Borgman Capital, bringing over 20 years of M&A experience. Drawing from his extensive background, Axelrod offers a unique perspective on how different buyer types approach acquisitions and what organizations should consider when evaluating their options.

Understanding Strategic vs. Financial Buyers

The M&A landscape features two primary types of buyers, each with distinct approaches:

Strategic buyers typically operate within the same industry as their acquisition targets, focusing on operational synergies and long-term integration. Their goal is to create value through combined operations, with no predetermined exit timeline.
Private equity firms represent financial buyers backed by investors seeking returns on their capital. These firms focus on operational improvements, revenue growth, and margin optimization, typically planning for an exit within five to ten years.
Axelrod also introduces "quasi-strategic" buyers: private equity-backed operating companies that bridge these approaches by combining industry expertise with financial backing.

Breaking Private Equity Misconceptions

Common private equity misconceptions often stem from highly publicized negative cases, but the reality is different. Axelrod explains how private equity ownership frequently preserves existing operations and supports management teams, particularly in the lower middle market where Borgman Capital operates.

The Private Equity Advantage Looking to the Future

Succession Planning and Wealth Management in M&A Transactions

jeudi 12 décembre 2024 • Durée 20:53

In this latest episode of the Transaction Abstract Podcast, Joe Hellman dives into the intersection of wealth management and mergers and acquisitions.

Joe is joined by Craig Kleis and Bob Dietz from Bernstein Private Wealth Management to explore how succession planning and wealth strategies can impact post-transaction outcomes. From pre-transaction preparation to navigating life post-sale, Kleis and Dietz offer valuable insights for business owners looking to safeguard their personal and financial future.

Why Succession Planning and Wealth Management Matter

Succession planning goes beyond readying a business for sale—it's about securing the owner's financial future. Kleis highlights the importance of personal financial planning, while Dietz emphasizes how tax and estate planning can maximize after-tax wealth, making succession planning an essential part of M&A.

The Importance of Pre-Transaction Planning

Preparation is key—even when a transaction isn't imminent. Dietz stresses steps like determining lifestyle-based "core capital," optimizing tax structures, and aligning the business for sale to achieve better outcomes. Early planning offers clarity and confidence when it matters most.

Managing the Transaction Process

During a transaction, all parties must stay focused on the big picture. Kleis and Dietz share practical examples of how understanding deal structures and tax implications can make a significant difference in the M&A process.

Life After the Sale

Transitioning from business ownership to personal wealth management can be daunting. Kleis and Dietz provide strategies for risk management and aligning investments with long-term goals to help owners adjust to their new financial reality.

Both guests agree: early engagement in wealth management provides flexibility and better outcomes, ensuring both the business and owner are prepared for the future.

Exploring Growth through Roll-Up Strategies and Operational Scaling

jeudi 14 novembre 2024 • Durée 20:15

In this episode of The Transaction Abstract podcast, Joe Hellman of Redpath and Company welcomes Kiel Larsen of Bridgeway Partners to discuss how strategic acquisitions and operational improvements can drive growth in fragmented industries.

The conversation highlights the potential of roll-up strategies for creating value, building a sustainable operational foundation, and fostering growth.

Setting the Stage: The Power of Roll-up Strategies

Bridgeway Partners, a middle-market investment firm, specializes in roll-up strategies, acquiring and uniting businesses within niche markets under a single platform. Their investment in Clarity Salt exemplifies this approach. Clarity Salt started as a single distributor, Davis Wholesale Supply, and expanded into a cohesive network of salt distribution companies, demonstrating how consolidation can increase efficiency and market strength.

Building a Scalable Foundation

For Bridgeway Partners, building a scalable infrastructure was key to successful integration. Early investments in cloud-based ERP systems and additional management roles enabled Clarity Salt to operate more effectively and support future acquisitions. This structured foundation allowed Bridgeway to rapidly grow Clarity Salt's footprint across the Midwest and East Coast.

Balancing Integration with Autonomy

Bridgeway's approach emphasizes balancing integration with the autonomy of each acquired company. Initially, Bridgeway closely supports each new addition to ensure smooth integration. Over time, they transition to a more advisory role, allowing each company to retain its unique strengths while benefiting from the resources and scale of the larger platform.

Insights for Business Owners

This episode highlights the advantages of consolidation for owners of smaller businesses in fragmented markets. By partnering with firms that bring both capital and operational expertise, owners can achieve growth that might not be feasible independently. Bridgeway's model showcases the importance of finding the right partner who aligns with the vision for growth and sustainability.

Evaluating Software Companies in Mergers and Acquisitions (with Anders Olson of Hennepin Partners)

mardi 8 octobre 2024 • Durée 20:29

Anders Olson, director at Hennepin Partners, joined The Transaction Abstract podcast host, Joe Hellman of Redpath and Company, to explore the key aspects of technology mergers and acquisitions (M&A), particularly in the software sector. As they delve into the topic, they emphasize the growing relevance of software and the specific factors that make it a highly sought-after asset in today's market.

Olson explains that software has become pervasive, powering everything from our phones to toothbrushes. A quote by venture capitalist Marc Andreessen is highlighted: "Software is eating the world," illustrating software's increasing ubiquity and mission-critical nature across industries.
Hellman and Olson then shift the focus to software in M&A transactions, emphasizing that software businesses are often valued for their recurring revenue models rather than their profitability. Olson underscores that software is generally more resilient during economic downturns because businesses rely heavily on it for their day-to-day operations. This makes software assets particularly attractive to investors and companies looking to grow through acquisition.

Olson goes on to detail the top metrics investors focus on when evaluating a software company. Among the key performance indicators (KPIs) are:

Annual Recurring Revenue (ARR) and Monthly Recurring Revenue (MRR): These metrics are crucial for determining the predictability of future revenue. They highlight the subscription-based model of most software companies, which makes their income streams more stable.
Retention Rates and Churn: Investors look closely at how well a software company retains its customers. Tracking both customer churn (logo retention) and dollar retention (the amount of money retained from existing customers) is vital in understanding the company's long-term revenue potential.
Customer Acquisition Costs (CAC) and Lifetime Value (LTV): These KPIs reflect the cost of acquiring a customer and how much revenue that customer is expected to generate over their relationship with the company. A favorable ratio between CAC and LTV is critical for growth.

The Impact of an M&A Attorney in the Transaction Process (with Maggie Tatton, Ballard Spahr)

lundi 16 septembre 2024 • Durée 16:56

Maggie Tatton, partner in Ballard Spahr's Mergers and Acquisitions practice group and leader of the firm's Private Equity M&A practice, joined Joe Hellman, Redpath and Company partner and host of The Transaction Abstract, to discuss the many hats an M&A attorney might wear in the deal process—and how their specialized insights can impact the transaction process and outcome.

Maggie and Joe discuss:

The importance of involving an M&A attorney early in the transaction process.
The difference between general counsel and M&A attorneys.
The multiple roles and responsibilities of an M&A attorney.
The wide breadth of knowledge the M&A attorney must possess including, but not limited to:
- Employment law.
- Real estate law.
- Estate planning.
- Data privacy.
Collaboration and project management with other advisors, such as investment bankers.
Working relationships with opposing counsel.
What issues and challenges cause a deal to slow down or kill the deal all-together.
Staying on top of trends and courts cases that greatly impact transactions.

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Experiencing an M&A Transaction Process for the First Time (w/Spencer Gerberding)

mardi 20 août 2024 • Durée 15:34

Spencer Gerberding joined Joe Hellman, host of The Transaction Abstract and partner at Redpath and Company, to talk about his personal experience—and what he learned—going through an M&A transaction process with his extended family and their business.

Like many individuals going through a transaction for the first time, Spencer had limited knowledge of the process and what it would demand from him—from estate planning considerations to assembling a team of advisors to navigating family dynamics over the course of 3-4 months.

In Spencer's case, there was an offer to buy on the table prior to his involvement, and working with an investment bank was not an option that he and his family entertained at the time due to the transparency of the process from both the buyers and sellers. Fortunately for all parties, the transaction terms remained consistent throughout the deal process—which is not always the case. However, they still had to move fast to due to unforeseen circumstances and ultimately had to make many decisions on the fly.

Find out what they learned from the process, what they would have done differently, and how they overcame the challenges of bringing the transaction to a successful close.

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