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Why JavaScript Isn’t the Problem — Rendering Is with Giacomo Zecchini20 juil. 202601:01:14

https://page2pod.com - JavaScript isn't breaking your SEO — rendering is. Merj R&D Director Giacomo Zecchini on what Google and AI crawlers actually see.

Giacomo Zecchini has spent years injecting tracking beacons into Google's rendering service to replace industry folklore with data. His research with Vercel found that virtually every indexable page crawled by Googlebot gets rendered — so the "rendering budget" most SEOs plan around doesn't behave the way the industry assumes. The real failures live in implementation: APIs timing out mid-render, lazy-loaded content that never fires under Google's viewport expansion, and hero images that shove main content thousands of pixels down the page.

Do AI crawlers render JavaScript? Some can — but none do it consistently. Giacomo's testing shows bots like ClaudeBot, Mistral, and DuckAssistBot sometimes render and sometimes fetch raw HTML using the same user agent, which is why Answer Engine Optimization (AEO) starts with content that survives a no-render fetch. He also makes the case for serving Markdown to bots via the Accept HTTP header (a web standard) instead of .md URLs, and shows how one swapped ARIA label made ChatGPT's agent click Cancel instead of Save — turning accessibility into an agentic-web requirement, not a nice-to-have.

⚙️ In This Episode

  • Why "JavaScript problems" are really rendering and implementation problems
  • The rendering budget myth, tested against live Googlebot data
  • How does Google's viewport expansion handle lazy loading and infinite scroll?
  • Auditing rendering backwards: from rendered page to rendering tree
  • Which AI crawlers actually render JavaScript — and why it changes per fetch
  • Serving Markdown via the Accept header vs. .md URLs vs. llms.txt
  • Why bad ARIA labels make AI agents take the wrong action on your site

A masterclass in the infrastructure layer of search visibility — what machines can actually access, interpret, and act on.

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💬 Giacomo serves Markdown to any bot that asks for it — Google's advice notwithstanding. Would you serve Markdown to AI crawlers on a client site, or is HTML-only still the right call? Tell us in the comments.

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🛠️ Tools & Resources Mentioned• Merj Official Site: https://merj.com• Google JS Rendering Capabilities Research with Vercel: https://vercel.com/blog/how-google-handles-javascript-throughout-the-indexing-process• AI Cralwer's Accept Language Research: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/merj-com_this-is-something-most-multilingual-sites-activity-7434943896385822720-T2u1• Merj's take on serving Markdown Files: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/merj-com_ai-agents-are-reading-your-site-right-now-activity-7466111771209142272-3xEy

95% of SEO Work Is Waste: Marcos Ciarrocchi on Winning AI Search with Topical Authority 🤖13 juil. 202601:11:00

https://page2pod.com - In this episode Marcos Ciarrocchi, co-founder of Graphite, breaks down why Graphite believes that 95% of SEO work is often waste and why the real leverage comes from identifying the small percentage of initiatives that actually drive growth. The conversation dives deep into how SEO strategy is shifting from keyword-first thinking to topic-first systems built around search intent, topical authority, AI prompts, and answer engine visibility.The discussion also explores how AEO and SEO may not be separate disciplines, but two versions of the same strategic question: what does the user want, and are you the best answer?🤖 In This Episode• Why Graphite believes 95% of SEO work does not drive meaningful impact• How Marcos defines a “topic” as a cluster of intent, not just keywords• Why topic graphs are living systems that change as search behavior evolves• How AI prompts, question clusters, and query fan-outs connect to traditional SEO and content marketing • The role of topical authority in deciding what content a site can realistically rank for• Why smaller sites may need to target more specific topic variants before expanding• How internal linking helps redistribute authority across large websites• Why content structure, FAQs, headings, and direct answers matter for AI citations• How RAG, citations, off-site reputation, and digital PR influence AEO visibility• Why consistency across owned and earned channels is critical for AI searchThis episode is packed with practical SEO strategy insight for marketers, SEOs, and growth teams trying to understand how search strategy should evolve in the age of AI answer engines.Subscribe to the Page 2 Podcast for more conversations with the people shaping the future of SEO, AEO, and digital visibility.What do you think matters more for AI search visibility right now: owned content, citations, or off-site reputation? Drop your thoughts in the comments.🛠️ Tools & Resources Mentioned• Marcos Ciarrocchi on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcosciarrocchi/• Graphite - https://graphite.io• Graphite’s 2026 Topical Authority Study - https://graphite.io/five-percent/topical-authority-white-paper• Graphite’s AEO Guide - https://graphite.io/five-percent/aeo-is-the-new-seo• Graphite’s Entity Position Tracking Guide - https://graphite.io/five-percent/how-to-track-entity-position-in-aiFollow the Page 2 Podcast✅ Page 2 Podcast on Youtube → https://www.youtube.com/@thepage2podcast922✅ Page 2 Podcast on Linkedin → https://www.linkedin.com/company/page2podcast✅ Page 2 Podcast on Facebook → https://www.facebook.com/ThePage2Podcast/Follow Jon Clark✅ Jon Clark on Bluesky → https://bsky.app/profile/jonclark.co✅ Jon Clark on Linkedin → https://www.linkedin.com/in/ppcmarketing/### Sponsored by Moving Traffic Media → https://www.movingtrafficmedia.comAbout Moving Traffic MediaMoving Traffic Media is a digital marketing agency that specializes in SEO, answer engine optimization, generative engine optimization, and performance media. In plain English: Moving Traffic Media helps brands show up in traditional search and in AI Answers. And they back that up with everything around it, from paid media and social to web development built for how AI agents actually browse. Moving Traffic Media was co-founded by Jon Clark and Joe DeVita and is headquartered in New York, with a second office in Miami. So if your brand isn't showing up in AI answers the way it should, contact Moving Traffic Media at: https://www.movingtrafficmedia.com.

Page 2 Rewind: Semantic Density vs. Overlap: The SEO Shift Nobody Saw Coming with Duane Forrester06 juil. 202601:10:53

⁠https://page2pod.com⁠ - While we're between seasons, we're revisiting some of the most impactful conversations we've had on The Page 2 Podcast. 

In this episode of Page 2 Podcast, Jon Clark and Joe DeVita sit down with Duane Forrester, founder and CEO of UnboundAnswers.com and a longtime search industry leader who helped launch Bing Webmaster Tools and Schema.org.

Duane shares his perspective on the future of search optimization, the rise of AI-driven visibility, and why the best SEOs may need to think less like button-pushers and more like managers of intelligent systems.

From structured data and LLM verification layers to chunking, semantic overlap, semantic density, query fan out, and the debate over GEO vs. AIO vs. SEO, this conversation digs into what actually matters for brands trying to remain discoverable in an AI-first search environment.

🤖 In This Episode

• Why Duane believes AI has fractured search, not killed it
• How structured data and Schema.org may influence LLM understanding
• Why “GEO vs. AIO vs. SEO” may be a distraction from the real work
• What semantic overlap and semantic density mean for content strategy
• How chunking can help content become more useful to AI systems and humans
• Why content creators may be better positioned for AI search than they think
• How people management skills apply to working with AI tools like ChatGPT
• Why search optimization may still have decades of relevance ahead
• What Google AI Overviews could mean for organic traffic, paid ads, and click quality
• Duane’s prediction for AI-generated ads inside future search experiences

This episode is a must-watch for SEOs, content strategists, marketers, founders, and agencies trying to understand how AI search is changing visibility, trust, and optimization.

Subscribe to Page 2 Podcast for more conversations with the people shaping the future of SEO, AI, search, and digital marketing.

What do you think: should we still call this SEO, or is AI search creating a completely new discipline? Drop your thoughts in the comments.

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Page 2 Rewind: Why Publishers Need to Rethink SEO for AI Search with Marshall Simmonds30 juin 202600:52:53

https://page2pod.com - While we're between seasons, we're revisiting some of the most impactful conversations we've had on The Page 2 Podcast.  In this episode, SEO pioneer Marshall Simmonds, founder of Defined Media Group, explores the past, present, and future of search.

Marshall shares firsthand stories from the earliest days of SEO, including his work with About.com, the New York Times, and direct collaboration with search engines as they refined crawling and indexing.

The conversation then shifts into today’s biggest challenge for publishers and marketers: AI-driven search, LLM crawlers, declining referral traffic, murky attribution, and the growing fight over content ownership and monetization.

🧠 In This Episode
• How Marshall Simmonds helped shape early SEO at About.com and the New York Times
• Why search engines have always valued human-vetted content and authority
• The role of log file analysis in understanding Google, OpenAI, and LLM crawler activity
• Why publishers are facing a major reckoning around traffic, attribution, and intellectual property
• How AI Overviews and generative search are changing the value of organic visibility
• Why E-E-A-T principles mattered long before Google gave them a name
• The debate around robots.txt, LLM.txt files, and whether AI crawlers respect publisher controls
• Why holistic marketing, brand authority, email, social, and technical SEO matter more than ever
• How SEOs should evaluate emerging AI search tools, reporting platforms, and attribution gaps
• Why SEO is not dead—and why this may be one of the most exciting eras in search

This episode offers a rare historical and strategic view of SEO from someone who helped build the foundation of the industry and is now helping publishers navigate its AI-driven future.

Subscribe to the Page 2 Podcast for more conversations with the people shaping SEO, digital marketing, publishing, and the future of search.

What do you think publishers should do about AI crawlers and declining search traffic? Drop your thoughts in the comments.

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Page 2 Rewind: Kevin Indig Explains Why Rankings Still Matter, But Not How You Think 📊22 juin 202600:56:11

https://page2pod.com - While we're between seasons, we're revisiting some of the most impactful conversations we've had on The Page 2 Podcast. This episode with Kevin Indig originally aired in 2025, but many of the topics are even more relevant today. We'll be back soon with brand-new episodes. Enjoy the conversation.

Are Google AI Overviews killing organic search traffic?

Learn how SEO strategy must shift when visibility no longer guarantees clicks.In this discussion with SEO advisor Kevin Indig, we break down the changing search landscape.

If you are an SEO professional or site owner, this conversation clarifies why visibility is losing its direct correlation with traffic. We examine how the rise of AI-generated search results alters user behavior and why traditional ranking metrics are becoming less reliable indicators of success.


🤖 In This Episode

• Why Google AI Overviews are reshaping ecommerce search results
• How product grids, image carousels, forums, and Reddit visibility are changing in the SERP
• What brands should do now to prepare for Black Friday and Cyber Monday SEO
• Why ChatGPT, Gemini, Perplexity, and Copilot rely on different citation sources
• How YouTube, LinkedIn, Reddit, and Wikipedia influence AI search visibility
• Why simple content structure, FAQs, summaries, and key takeaways matter for both users and AI systems
• When Core Web Vitals and page speed matter most for SEO performance
• What Kevin’s AI Overview usability study revealed about clicks, trust, and user behavior
• Why rankings still matter even as organic clicks decline
• How SEO teams should rethink KPIs, share of voice, brand recall, and influence-driven measurement
• Why mentions, sentiment, and digital PR may matter more than traditional link volume
• Kevin’s prediction for Google Search, AI Mode, and the future of AI-first search experiences

This episode is packed with practical insights for SEOs, content marketers, ecommerce teams, and digital leaders trying to navigate the next era of organic search.

What do you think will matter more in the future of SEO: rankings, citations, mentions, or brand trust? Drop your thoughts in the comments.

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Page 2 Rewind: ChatGPT & Perplexity Rankings Explained - How AI Search Surfaces Content with Metehan Yesilyurt15 juin 202600:53:24

https://page2pod.com - While we're in between seasons we are revisiting some of the most impactful conversations we've had on The Page 2 Podcast. This episode originally aired in 2025. AI search is changing everything marketers thought they knew about visibility, rankings, and SEO.

Jon Clark and Joe DeVita sit down with Metehan Yeşilyurt, Co-Founder and Chief Growth Officer of AEO Vision, to explore how ChatGPT, Perplexity, Claude, Gemini, and other AI-powered search experiences are reshaping the future of digital marketing.

Metehan shares his journey from traditional SEO and SaaS growth into the rapidly evolving world of Answer Engine Optimization (AEO), where visibility is no longer about ranking in ten blue links—it's about becoming the source AI systems choose to cite.

The conversation dives deep into how large language models retrieve information, the role of Reciprocal Rank Fusion (RRF), why brand visibility may be more important than rankings, and how content creators can adapt their strategies for an AI-first internet.

From AI citations and content structuring to YouTube optimization, schema, freshness signals, and the future of agentic commerce, this episode delivers actionable insights for SEOs, marketers, founders, and content creators preparing for the next era of search. 

• Why traditional SEO fundamentals still matter in the age of AI search
• How ChatGPT and Perplexity select and rank citations
• Understanding Reciprocal Rank Fusion (RRF) and AI retrieval systems
• Why AI visibility is becoming more important than traditional rankings
• How brand mentions and citations influence LLM responses
• The relationship between content freshness and AI search performance
• Practical ways to structure content for both humans and AI systems
• Why YouTube may be one of the most underrated AI optimization channels
• The truth about schema markup and LLMs
• How Perplexity, ChatGPT, Claude, and Gemini differ in content retrieval
• The growing role of social platforms, Reddit, and community-driven content
• AI share buttons and how they may influence future visibility
• What agentic commerce means for eCommerce marketers
• Predictions for the future of SEO, AI search, and digital marketing

Whether you're an SEO professional, content strategist, marketer, or business owner, this episode offers a valuable framework for understanding where search is heading and how to stay ahead.

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Page 2 Rewind: The Truth About Google Business Profile Categories and Rankings with Claudia Tomina08 juin 202600:51:03

https://page2pod.com - While we're between seasons, we're revisiting some of the most impactful conversations we've had on The Page 2 Podcast. This episode with Claudia Tomina originally aired in 2025, but many of the topics around local search disruption and Google My Business strategy are even more relevant today. We'll be back soon with brand-new episodes. Enjoy the conversation.

What actually moves the needle in local SEO today? Local SEO expert Claudia Tomina pulls back the curtain on Google Business Profile rankings, revealing the factors most businesses overlook—from category selection and review velocity to suspensions, service-area businesses, and Google's evolving AI-powered search experience and online visibility. If you want actionable strategies to improve your local visibility and stay ahead of where Google is headed next, this is an episode you won't want to miss.

Whether you're managing a single location, a multi-location franchise, a restaurant, law firm, roofer, or home services business, this episode dives into the nuances of local SEO that often get overlooked.


📍 In This Episode

• How Claudia approaches a complete Google Business Profile audit

• Why business categories are one of the most important local ranking factors

• The impact of primary vs. secondary categories on local visibility

• How business names influence Google Maps rankings

• What "Popular Times" data reveals about ranking boosts

• Why restaurants often have unique advantages in local search

• Local SEO strategies for service-area businesses like roofers and contractors

• The truth about service areas and Google Maps rankings

• Best practices when moving a business location without losing reviews

• How to handle Google Business Profile suspensions and reinstatements

• Common causes of suspensions and deceptive content violations

• Why review recency matters more than most businesses realize

• How review campaigns can improve rankings and engagement

• The relationship between reviews, services, menus, and keyword rankings

• Why citations still matter in modern local SEO

• Insights on Yelp, Apple Maps, Angie, and other trust signals

• Local SEO tools for multi-location brands and franchises

• Whether Google Business Profile posts still impact rankings

• Why photos and videos have become powerful local SEO signals

• How Google AI is detecting suspicious review behavior

• What business owners should know about Google's new review moderation systems

• Claudia's predictions for AI Mode and the future of local search

This episode is packed with practical local SEO tactics, ranking insights, and real-world examples that can help businesses improve visibility in Google Maps and local search results.

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💬 Comment below: What's been your biggest challenge with Google Business Profiles—reviews, rankings, suspensions, or AI changes?

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😳 "Google Search As You Know It Is Over" — What Happens Next?01 juin 202600:53:26

https://page2pod.com - Google I/O 2026 may have marked the biggest transformation in Google Search in over 25 years. In this episode of the Page Two Podcast, Jon Clark, Joe DeVita, and Constance Chen break down the most important announcements from Google I/O and what they mean for marketers, SEO professionals, ecommerce brands, and content creators.

Constance attended Google I/O in person and shares firsthand insights into Google's evolving AI ecosystem, including AI Mode, AI Overviews, Ask YouTube, Universal Commerce Protocol (UCP), Universal Cart, WebMCP, AI agents, and the future of agentic search.

The discussion explores how user behavior is changing, why traditional SEO metrics may become less important, and what businesses should be doing over the next 30 days, 90 days, and beyond to remain visible in AI-powered search experiences.

🤖 In This Episode
• Why Google is positioning AI as the future of Search rather than a search feature
• Key takeaways from Google I/O 2026 and the evolution of AI Mode
• How AI Overviews and AI Mode are merging into a seamless search experience
• What Google's redesigned search bar reveals about the future of search behavior
• How personalization and multimodal search are changing discovery
• What AI Search Agents mean for publishers, marketers, and consumers
• Why Ask YouTube could become a major visibility opportunity for brands and creators
• Understanding Universal Commerce Protocol (UCP) and Universal Cart
• How AI agents may soon complete purchases on behalf of users
• What WebMCP means for websites preparing for the agentic web
• Actionable recommendations for the next 30, 90, and 180 days
• Why video content is becoming increasingly important for AI visibility
• The future of ecommerce, content marketing, and Answer Engine Optimization (AEO)
• Predictions for Google I/O 2027 and the next wave of AI-driven search innovation

Whether you're an SEO professional, ecommerce leader, content marketer, or business owner, this episode provides practical insights into how Google's AI-first future is reshaping visibility, traffic, and online growth.

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💬 Comment below: Which Google I/O 2026 announcement do you think will have the biggest impact on your business—AI Mode, Ask YouTube, UCP, or WebMCP?

🛠️ Tools & Resources Mentioned
• Google AI Mode
• Google AI Overviews
• Ask YouTube
• Ask Maps
• Universal Commerce Protocol (UCP)
• Universal Cart
• WebMCP
• AI Search Agents

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🚀 Nick Swan Reveals the Future of SEO Testing, AI Workflows & MCP Servers25 mai 202600:50:25

https://page2pod.com - In this season finale of the Page 2 Podcast, Jon Clark and Joe DeVita sit down with Nick Swan, founder of SEOTesting, to explore the future of SEO experimentation, AI-powered workflows, and the rise of MCP servers.

Nick shares how he accidentally built SEOTesting from a side project tracking coupon code SEO changes in Excel into a leading SEO experimentation platform used by agencies, consultants, and enterprise teams. The conversation dives deep into statistical significance in SEO testing, content refresh strategies, AI-assisted development with Claude Code and Codex, and how modern SEO teams are adapting to Google’s evolving search landscape.

⚙️ In This Episode
• 🚀 Nick Swan explains how SEOTesting evolved from a side project into a full SaaS business
• 📊 A practical explanation of statistical significance for SEO experiments
• 🤖 How Claude Code and Codex are accelerating software development
• 🔍 Why content refreshes consistently outperform many SEO tactics
• 🧠 Using Google patents and AI to generate better SEO personas
• 🔗 How MCP servers connect SEO tools, AI workflows, and automation
• 📈 Lessons from analyzing over 140,000 SEO tests
• ⚡ Why AI agents may soon be making SEO changes autonomously
• 🛠️ Insights into building scalable SEO workflows for agencies and in-house teams
• 📚 Nick’s favorite startup and productivity resources for founders

The episode also explores:
• How SEO split testing actually works
• Why content refreshes remain one of the highest-performing SEO tactics
• How AI workflows and MCP servers are reshaping SEO tooling
• The role of personas and query fan-out in AI-driven content optimization
• Why agencies and enterprise teams still need reliable SEO infrastructure
• The future of automated SEO monitoring and agentic workflows
• Startup lessons from bootstrapping a SaaS company for nearly a decade

This episode is packed with actionable SEO insights, AI workflow ideas, and startup lessons for marketers, founders, and technical SEOs alike.

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• SEOTesting.com → https://seotesting.com/
• Nick Swan on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickswan/
• Nick Swan on Twitter → https://x.com/nickswan
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"The Funnel Got Eaten by LLMs" — Aimee Jurenka on Measuring AI Visibility18 mai 202600:49:41

https://page2pod.com - In this episode of the Page 2 Podcast, Jon Clark and Joe DeVita sit down with Aimee Jurenka, SEO and AI Visibility Strategist at Rickety Roo and founder of seo SUSTAINABLE, to unpack what SEO looks like as AI search, LLMs, and answer engines reshape brand discovery.

Aimee explains why modern SEO strategy is moving beyond traditional keyword targeting and toward topic entities, semantic associations, brand positioning, and what a company wants to be known for. She shares how marketers can measure brand visibility inside LLMs, why one-off prompt tracking can be misleading, and how SEOs can use competitor comparisons, branded queries, and content gaps to improve visibility across AI-driven search experiences.

🔍 In This Episode

• Why keyword research is becoming fuel for broader topic entity strategy
• How to think about what your brand wants to be known for in AI search
• The difference between what LLMs know about your brand and what they associate you with
• Why single-shot prompt tracking can create unreliable visibility data
• How branded search, mention rate, and competitive context help measure AI visibility
• The role of semantic triplets in clarifying brand identity and positioning
• Why side-by-side comparison content can outperform generic listicles
• How small businesses can learn from larger competitors without copying them
• What SEOs should understand about AI crawlers, bots, and technical accessibility
• How tools like ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude, Perplexity, NotebookLM, and Screaming Frog fit into AI visibility workflows

This episode is packed with practical insights for SEOs, content strategists, and marketers who want to build stronger brand visibility across both traditional search and emerging AI answer engines.

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What do you think is the biggest shift in SEO right now: AI visibility, entity optimization, or brand authority? Drop your thoughts in the comments.

🛠️ Tools & Resources Mentioned
• Aimee Jurenka on LinkedIn
• Sitebulb article referenced in the episode
• Rickety Roo
• seo SUSTAINABLE
• John Mueller’s Q2 news mention

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Breaking News Is Up 103% While Evergreen Tanks — Shahzad Abbas on AI Overviews11 mai 202600:52:35

https://page2pod.com - In this episode of the Page 2 Podcast, Jon Clark sits down with Shahzad Abbas, VP of AI and Search Strategy at Define Media Group, to explore how AI is transforming the economics of news publishing, search visibility, and audience growth.

Shahzad shares insights from a massive analysis of billions of clicks, revealing why breaking news is still thriving, how Google Discover is overtaking traditional search for many publishers, and why that traffic may be less valuable than it appears. The conversation digs into the changing role of SEO, the rise of answer engines, AI-driven search behavior, and what publishers need to do to stay visible as the search landscape evolves.

📰 In This Episode
• Why breaking news still performs well in an AI-driven search world
• How Google Discover is changing traffic patterns for publishers
• Why Discover traffic can be high-volume but lower-value
• What AI search means for newsrooms, publishers, and SEO teams
• How publishers should rethink visibility beyond traditional Google Search
• The role of Search Console data in understanding real performance
• Why collaboration, experimentation, and adaptability matter in modern SEO
• Shahzad’s perspective on leadership, consulting, and building strategy in fast-changing environments

This episode is a valuable listen for publishers, SEO professionals, content strategists, and media leaders trying to understand what visibility looks like in the age of AI and answer engines.

Subscribe to the Page 2 Podcast for more conversations with the people shaping the future of search, SEO, content strategy, and digital visibility.

What do you think will matter more for publishers in the next few years: Google Search, Google Discover, or AI answer engines? Drop your thoughts in the comments.

🛠️ Tools & Resources Mentioned
• Shahzad Abbas on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/shahzadabbas/
• AI Overviews Study → https://www.definemg.com/breaking-news-thrives-in-the-age-of-ai/
• Meat Loaf will help you fix your website → https://www.tvguide.com/news/meat-loaf-seo-1004749/
• Define Media Group → https://www.definemg.com/

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Content Pruning, Semantic SEO, and the Future of AI Search with Everett Sizemore | Page 2 Podcast04 mai 202600:47:45

https://page2pod.com - In this episode of the Page 2 Podcast, Jon Clark and Joe DeVita sit down with Everett Sizemore, a 15-year SEO veteran and fractional SEO director at eSizemore Consulting, to unpack how brands can create clearer, more structured content for search engines, answer engines, and AI-generated results.

Everett explains why semantic triples — simple subject-predicate-object relationships — are becoming increasingly important for helping machines understand what a brand is, what it does, and how its key entities connect. The conversation explores why many SaaS companies struggle to describe themselves consistently, how unclear language creates confusion across search and AI systems, and why “cutting the fluff” is more than just a writing preference — it is an SEO strategy.

The episode also covers practical SEO tactics including content pruning, building content inventories, using tools like Screaming Frog, Google Search Console, Google Analytics, and Ahrefs, and revisiting foundational assets like FAQs, persona pages, and HTML sitemaps.

🧠 In This Episode
• Why semantic triples matter for modern SEO and AI search visibility
• How brands can define entities more clearly across their websites and profiles
• Why SaaS companies often confuse users, search engines, and LLMs with vague positioning
• How plain, structured language helps search engines and answer engines understand meaning
• Why content pruning starts with a complete content inventory
• How Screaming Frog, Google Search Console, Google Analytics, and Ahrefs can support pruning decisions
• Why FAQs, persona pages, and HTML sitemaps are making a comeback
• What SEOs can learn from the shift from traditional search to AI-generated answers
• Why the best AI-era SEO strategies often come back to fundamentals: clarity, consistency, and discipline

This conversation is a practical guide for SEOs, SaaS marketers, and content teams who want to build clearer, more machine-readable websites that perform across both search and AI-driven discovery.

Subscribe to the Page 2 Podcast for more conversations with SEO leaders, digital marketers, and search innovators helping brands move beyond Page 2.

Comment below: What is one part of your website or brand messaging that could be made clearer for search engines and AI tools?

🛠️ Tools & Resources Mentioned
• Everett Sizemore on Linkedin → https://www.linkedin.com/in/everett
• Everett Sizemore Official Site → https://esizemore.com/
• 2016 "Defining and Mapping Your Brand for Google" SearchCon Presentation → https://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/defining-mapping-your-brand-for-google-a-slightly-technical-guide-for-growing-your-brand-as-an-entity-in-the-knowledge-graph/54936502
• Everett's Semantic Triple Recommendations → https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-why-create-list-semantic-triples-your-brand-voice-sizemore-8pjbc/
• Cruftfinder → https://youtu.be/6Sf_xkoHIUI?si=p0gFjEH-ZNFqwsut
• LLM Bottom of Funnel Approach → https://www.linkedin.com/posts/everett_at-a-certain-point-someone-needs-to-buy-something-share-7331506379997794304-YXrc/

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Darren Shaw on Winning Local Search: Google Maps & AI SEO Secrets Revealed27 avr. 202600:47:02

https://page2pod.com - In this episode of the Page 2 Podcast, we sit down with Darren Shaw, founder of Whitespark, to explore how AI is transforming local search and what it means for businesses trying to rank in Google.

Darren shares insights from over 20 years in local SEO, including how traditional ranking signals like reviews, citations, and proximity are being reinterpreted by AI-powered systems. We dive deep into review strategies, semantic SEO, citation optimization, and how tools like AI-driven maps and Ask Maps are reshaping visibility.

If you're a local business owner, marketer, or SEO professional, this episode is packed with actionable strategies to help you stay ahead in an AI-first search landscape.

🚀 In This Episode
• 🧠 How AI is rewriting traditional local SEO ranking signals
• ⭐ Why review recency and consistency matter more than ever
• 📍 The hidden risks of removing your Google Business Profile address
• 🔍 How AI uses reviews as training data for search results
• 🧾 The power of citation optimization and semantic triples
• 📊 What “review diversification” means and why it’s critical
• 🤖 How Ask Maps and AI interfaces are shaping local discovery
• 📸 Using images and content strategically for AI visibility
• 🧩 Why niche specialization can outperform larger competitors
• 🛠️ The evolving role of SEO tools in an AI-driven future

This episode breaks down the future of local SEO and gives you a practical roadmap to adapt your strategy for AI-powered search.

🛠️ Tools & Resources Mentioned
• Darren Shaw on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/darrenshawwhitespark/
• Whitespark Local SEO Tools → https://whitespark.ca/
• Whitespark Reputation Builder → https://whitespark.ca/reputation-builder/
• Local Ranking Grid Software → https://whitespark.ca/local-rank-tracker/
• 2026 Local Ranking Factors → https://whitespark.ca/local-search-ranking-factors/

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👉 Lily Ray onThe #1 Thing That Survives Every Google Update (Even AI)20 avr. 202600:50:40

https://page2pod.com - In this episode of the Page 2 Podcast, Jon Clark and Joe DeVita sit down with SEO powerhouse Lily Ray to unpack the future of search in the age of AI. From her new consultancy Algorythmic to the evolution of E-E-A-T and the rise of Answer Engine Optimization (AEO), Lily shares cutting-edge insights on how brands can stay visible in both Google and AI-driven platforms like ChatGPT.

They dive into how SEO teams are adapting to rapid AI advancements, why foundational SEO still matters more than ever, and what’s actually working (and not working) when it comes to ranking in both traditional search and LLMs. Plus, Lily reveals how she uses tools like Claude, Gemini, and ChatGPT to build workflows, analyze data, and stay ahead of algorithm updates.

If you’re a marketer, SEO, or business owner trying to navigate the chaos of AI search, this episode is packed with practical strategies and future-proof insights you can’t afford to miss.

🔍 In This Episode
• 🤖 Why AI search (AEO & GEO) is reshaping SEO strategy
• 📈 How E-E-A-T still drives long-term success in AI and Google
• 🧠 The real relationship between Google rankings and ChatGPT visibility
• ⚠️ Risky AI SEO tactics that could get your site penalized
• 🛠️ How Lily Ray uses Claude, Gemini & AI tools for SEO workflows
• 🔎 The truth about algorithm updates and how to recover from traffic drops
• 📊 Measuring success in AI search when attribution is broken
• 🌐 Why controlling your brand narrative on your website is critical
• 🚀 The future of SEO teams, roles, and AI-driven workflows

This episode breaks down exactly how to adapt your SEO strategy for the AI-first search landscape.

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🛠️ Tools & Resources Mentioned
• Lily Ray on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/lily-ray-44755615
• Lily Ray's Substack (you should subscribe!) → https://lilyraynyc.substack.com/
Lily Ray's new consultancy algorythmic → https://algorythmic.co/
• Google Discover Algorithm Update → https://developers.google.com/search/blog/2026/02/discover-core-update
• What Does it Take to Rank in Google Discover → https://www.amsive.com/insights/seo/what-does-it-take-to-rank-in-google-discover/
• Answer Engine Optimization Guide → https://www.amsive.com/insights/seo/answer-engine-optimization-aeo-evolving-your-seo-strategy-in-the-age-of-ai-search/
• Google's Crack Down on Self-Promotional Listicles → https://lilyraynyc.substack.com/p/is-google-finally-cracking-down-on
• Lily Ray's Page 2 Podcast Episode 46 → https://page2pod.com/episodes/46-lily-ray
• Lily Ray's Affiliate Summit West presentation → https://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/affiliate-summit-west-lily-ray-keynote-2026/286005569

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What Ross Simmonds Learned from Analyzing 8,500+ Keywords on Reddit (and How You can Apply It)13 avr. 202600:54:59

https://page2pod.com - In this episode of the Page 2 Podcast, we sit down with Ross Simmonds to unpack one of the biggest shifts happening in search today: Reddit's rise in Google rankings and AI-generated answers.

After analyzing over 8,500 keywords across 13 B2B brands, Ross reveals why long-tail queries—once ignored due to "zero search volume"—are now driving real traffic, conversions, and visibility across both Google and LLMs.

We dive deep into how brands are losing control of their narrative to anonymous users, why Reddit is dominating bottom-of-funnel searches, and how marketers can adapt with a distribution-first mindset. Ross also shares tactical frameworks for building a Reddit presence, blending organic and paid strategies, and leveraging AI to scale smarter—not just faster.

Whether you're in SEO, content marketing, or growth, this episode will completely reshape how you think about visibility in 2026 and beyond.

🚀 In This Episode
• Reddit now dominates high-intent, long-tail search queries
• Why "zero search volume" keywords are actually gold opportunities
• How AI and LLMs amplify Reddit content in search results
• The 3-account Reddit strategy every brand should use
• Why most marketers fail (and get banned) on Reddit
• How to reverse-engineer viral Reddit posts using historical data
• The shift from "create more" to "distribute first" marketing
• Blending Reddit organic + paid for high-performing campaigns
• How AI tools like Claude are transforming content workflows
• Why distribution is no longer a "nice-to-have" but a necessity

This episode breaks down exactly how modern marketers can win in a world where search, AI, and community-driven content collide.

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💬 Drop a comment below: Are you currently using Reddit in your marketing strategy—or still ignoring it?

🛠️ Tools & Resources Mentioned
• Follow Ross Simmonds on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/rosssimmonds/
• Follow Ross Simmonds on X https://x.com/TheCoolestCool
• Follow Ross Simmonds on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/rosssimmondsig/
• Ross Simmonds Personal Website https://rosssimmonds.com/
• Listen to the Ross Simmonds Show https://rosssimmonds.com/
• Foundation Inc https://foundationinc.co/
• Distribution AI https://www.distribution.ai/
• Ross' book Create Once Distribute Forever https://amzn.to/3Q05fTb
• Ross on getting banned from Reddit https://kpplaybook.com/resources/content-distribution-mastering-the-art-of-visibility-in-the-ai-era/
• The Comprehensive GEO — Generative Engine Optimization — guide https://foundationinc.co/lab/generative-engine-optimization

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Louisa Frahm on News SEO: Google Trends, AI & Content Strategy Explained06 avr. 202600:54:59

https://page2pod.com - In this episode of the Page 2 Podcast, Jon Clark and Constance Chen sit down with Louisa Frahm, former ESPN SEO Director and Google Trends curator, to break down the evolving world of news SEO, AI-driven search, and audience-first content strategy.

Louisa shares deep insights from her decade-plus experience shaping SEO strategies at major media brands, revealing how to win editorial buy-in, leverage Google Trends for real-time opportunities, and build scalable content systems that thrive in the age of AI Overviews and zero-click search.

From practical newsroom tactics to forward-looking SEO frameworks, this episode is packed with actionable strategies for SEOs, content teams, and media professionals navigating today’s rapidly changing search landscape.

📊 In This Episode

• 🎯 How to turn skeptical editors into SEO allies through training and trust
• 📈 Why “simple is not stupid” is the key to winning with Google Trends
• ⚡ How to use rising queries for real-time content ideation
• 🧠 The power of utility content and question-based SEO strategies
• 🔄 Why content refreshing is critical in the age of AI and zero-click search
• 🏆 Real-world ESPN case studies on evergreen + breaking news strategies
• 🔗 How to build effective internal linking and content hubs
• 🌍 Why SEO is shifting into full audience strategy across platforms
• 🎥 How TikTok, YouTube, and Reddit are reshaping search visibility
• 🔍 The role of EEAT in an AI-driven search ecosystem

This episode delivers a masterclass in modern SEO—blending newsroom experience, AI insights, and real-world strategy into one powerful conversation.

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🛠️ Tools & Resources Mentioned
• Louisa Frahm on Linkedin → https://www.linkedin.com/in/louisa-frahm-67710922/
• Ask a news SEO: Louisa Frahm on Google Trends → https://www.seoforjournalism.com/p/louisa-frahm-espn-news-seo
• TikTok keyword research → https://www.seoforjournalism.com/p/keyword-research-news-seo-tips

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Patrick Stox on The Future of SEO in 2026: AI, Job Loss & What Comes Next 🤖30 mars 202600:47:58

https://page2pod.com - AI is transforming SEO faster than ever—and not everyone is ready for what’s coming next. In this episode, Patrick Stox from Ahrefs breaks down the real impact of AI on search, content, and the future of SEO jobs.

From zero-click searches to programmatic content and edge SEO, this conversation dives deep into what’s actually working right now—and what might disappear entirely. If you’re in SEO, content, or digital marketing, this is a must-listen episode to stay ahead of the curve.

🔍 In This Episode

• 🤖 Why AI is creating fear, burnout, and uncertainty across the SEO industry
• 📉 The rise of zero-click search and what it means for website traffic
• 💡 Why conversions matter more than traffic in the AI search era
• 🧠 How SOPs and automation are reshaping SEO workflows
• ⚙️ What edge SEO is and how it enables faster implementation
• 📊 The shift from top-of-funnel content to product-led SEO strategies
• 🧩 How Ahrefs is using AI skills to scale content updates
• 🚀 The real opportunity behind programmatic SEO (and its risks)
• 🧪 Why original insights and expert input are now critical for ranking
• 📣 The growing importance of content distribution beyond your website
• 🔗 How brand mentions and third-party content impact AI visibility
• ⚠️ Why SEO jobs—especially junior roles—may shrink in the future
• 🌍 Why hreflang and international SEO are being ignored by LLMs (for now)

This episode is packed with actionable insights on how to adapt your SEO strategy in an AI-driven world.

If you want to stay competitive in SEO as AI reshapes the landscape, this episode gives you the clarity and direction you need.

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🔗 Tools and Resources Mentioned: 
• Follow Patrick Stox on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickstox/ 
• Google Uses ~40 Canonicalization Signals → https://ahrefs.com/blog/canonicalization/ 
• The Most Common hreflang Issues Across 374,756 Domains → https://speakerdeck.com/patrickstox/hreflang-study-and-interesting-issues-brighton-seo-2023-patrick-stox 
• Ahrefs official site → https://ahrefs.com/ 
• Will Critchlow episode discussing Edge SEO → https://youtu.be/syE6fe4lIr4?si=M\_6VaSQXydFritu3

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Inside the New 2026 AI Search Study: What Marketers Must Know with Baruch Toledano 📊23 mars 202600:50:26

https://page2pod.com - AI is transforming how users discover information, shifting from traditional search engines to AI-powered answers. In this episode of the Page 2 Podcast, Jon Clark and Joe DeVita sit down with Baruch Toledano (SimilarWeb) to break down the latest insights from the Generative AI Landscape Study and the 2026 AI Brand Visibility Report.

They explore how AI search differs from Google, why prompts are getting longer and more complex, and what it takes for brands to appear inside AI-generated answers. From the rise of niche publishers to the growing importance of your entire digital footprint, this episode is packed with actionable insights for marketers navigating the next era of search.

🔍 In This Episode

• How AI is compressing the internet into a single answer and changing discovery
• Why AI prompts are dramatically longer than traditional search queries
• The surprising rise of niche publishers and long-tail content in AI results
• How SEO and AEO (Answer Engine Optimization) now work together
• Why your entire digital footprint matters more than ever
• The role of brand recall and branded search in AI-driven journeys
• How industries like fashion are winning in AI search visibility
• Why Reddit and consensus across sources are key ranking signals
• The growing importance of content depth, FAQs, and follow-up questions
• How AI and Google complement each other in the customer journey

This episode reveals how marketers can adapt their strategies to stay visible in an AI-first search world.

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🛠️ Resources & Platforms Mentioned
• Follow Baruch Toledano on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/baruchtoledano/
• Baruch Toledano's Tech SEO Connect presentation: https://www.youtube.com/live/4whGj6qpZWY?si=EvTsXPFJmMD6QHPP&t=497
• SimilarWeb - https://www.similarweb.com/
• 2025 Generative AI Landscape: The State Of Gen AI - https://www.similarweb.com/corp/2025-generative-ai-landscape/
• 2026 Generative AI Brand Visibility Index - https://www.similarweb.com/corp/2026-genai-brand-visibility-index/

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Is AI Killing SEO? Conductor’s Massive AEO Study Explained 📊16 mars 202600:53:04

https://page2pod.com - AI search is exploding in hype, but what does the data actually say?

In this episode of the Page 2 Podcast, Jon Clark and Joe DeVita sit down with Patrick Reinhart, VP of Services & Thought Leadership at Conductor, to unpack one of the largest AEO and GEO benchmark studies ever conducted. After analyzing millions of prompts and billions of sessions, the surprising finding was that AI referral traffic currently accounts for only about 1% of total web traffic.

So why are companies reorganizing teams and shifting budgets toward AI optimization?

Patrick explains how AI search isn’t really about traffic (yet)**—it’s about **brand visibility, citations, sentiment, and authority across large language models like ChatGPT and Gemini. As traditional search and AI search converge, marketing teams must learn how to optimize for both ecosystems simultaneously.

The conversation dives into the realities behind AI Overviews, the future of affiliate-heavy sites, why schema markup and proprietary research are becoming more valuable, and how brands should think about visibility when traffic might decline but revenue continues to grow.

If you're an SEO, CMO, or digital marketer trying to navigate the AI transformation of search, this episode provides a clear, data-backed roadmap.

🔍 In This Episode
• Why AI referral traffic is only ~1% today and why that number surprises many marketers
• The difference between traditional SEO metrics vs AI search visibility signals
• How brand sentiment, citations, and authority influence LLM results
• Why affiliate-heavy sites are struggling in Google but thriving in LLMs
• The industries triggering the most Google AI Overviews (healthcare & finance)
• How CMOs are reallocating paid search budgets into AI initiatives
• The role of schema markup and proprietary research in future search visibility
• Why AI-generated content without human insight is getting crushed in rankings
• The real reason direct traffic is increasing as people research with AI first
• Predictions for AI search growth, e-commerce agents, and the future of traffic

This episode reveals how search is fragmenting—and why smart marketers must optimize for both traditional search and AI discovery channels.

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💬 Comment below: Do you think AI search will eventually replace Google traffic—or will traditional SEO remain dominant?

Links and Resources Mentioned
• Pat Reinhart on Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickreinhart/
• 2026 AEO / GEO Benchmark Report - https://www.conductor.com/academy/aeo-geo-benchmarks-report/
• The State of AEO / GEO in 2026: The CMO Benchmark Report - https://www.conductor.com/academy/state-of-aeo-geo-report/
• Conductor Platform - https://www.conductor.com

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Manual Bidding vs Google Automation: How Anthony Higman Wins $1,000 CPC Legal Keywords 🚀09 mars 202600:51:35

https://page2pod.com - In Episode 109 of the Page 2 Podcast, Jon Clark and Joe DeVita sit down with Anthony Higman, founder and CEO of ADSQUIRE and one of the world’s top PPC experts. Anthony manages some of the most expensive keywords on the internet—legal search—where a single click can exceed $1,000.

In this deep dive, Anthony explains why his team intentionally resists automation, manually bidding on campaigns while closely analyzing search engine results pages (SERPs) to uncover Google’s algorithmic changes. From running a lean five-person agency to managing high-stakes legal advertising campaigns, this conversation explores what it takes to dominate search in one of the most competitive industries in digital marketing.

Anthony also shares unconventional tactics—from geo-testing SERPs and listening to every call lead, to running creative marketing stunts like Times Square billboards—to maintain a competitive edge while delivering elite performance for law firms across the U.S.

If you're interested in PPC strategy, Google Ads optimization, legal marketing, or the evolving battle between human expertise and machine learning in advertising, this episode is packed with actionable insights.

🎯 In This Episode
• Why Anthony Higman still relies on manual bidding in Google Ads while most agencies rely on automation
• The realities of managing $1,000+ CPC keywords in legal search marketing
• How ADSQUIRE runs a five-person agency managing massive ad spend
• Why watching the SERP itself—not just platform metrics—is critical for campaign strategy
• The hidden problems with Responsive Search Ads in legal marketing
• How Google’s evolving match types and reduced transparency affect PPC performance
• Why Anthony uses YouTube, Display, and branding campaigns alongside high-intent search ads
• How listening to every lead call helps improve lead quality and campaign optimization
• The limitations of Local Services Ads for scaling law firm marketing
• Anthony’s philosophy on building a small, nimble agency instead of scaling headcount

This episode is a must-watch for PPC specialists, digital marketers, and agency owners looking to understand how elite operators compete in high-stakes advertising markets.

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🔗 Resources & Tools Mentioned
• ADSQUIRE Official Site
• Anthony Higman on LinkedIn
• Anthony Higman on X
• Adsquire's Mascot in Space
• ADSQUIRE Breaks The World Record For Most Law Firms On A Single Billboard

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AI Is Disrupting Agencies - Here’s How to Survive & Scale 🚀 with John Doherty02 mars 202600:54:20

https://page2pod.com - Today’s episode dives deep into the real side of entrepreneurship with John Doherty — founder of Credo and EditorNinja, both successfully sold — and now full-time coach to agency owners through JFD Coaching.

But this isn’t just a highlight reel of exits.

John shares the uncomfortable middle: the cash crunch that nearly wiped out EditorNinja, how AI rapidly shifted content economics, and the 3.5-week sprint from “I might shut this down” to signing an LOI.

We explore what’s actually happening to agencies in the age of AI, why commodity positioning is killing margins, and how to build a business that’s both profitable to run and attractive to sell.

From pricing strategy to hiring philosophy to value-based retainers, this episode is packed with tactical advice and founder-level perspective.

🔥 In This Episode

• How EditorNinja nearly went bankrupt before being sold
• The 3.5-week path from shutdown mode to signed LOI
• Why AI broke traditional content acquisition models
• The biggest mistake agencies make at $20K–$40K/month
• How to improve gross margins fast (without cutting quality)
• Why your first hire should be an admin—not a specialist
• The shift from “done-for-you” execution to strategic partnership
• How to anchor pricing to value instead of cost
• The $15M acquisition offer John turned down
• Why the best businesses to sell are the best businesses to run

This episode is a masterclass in building resilient agencies in a rapidly shifting market.

If you’re an agency owner navigating AI disruption, pricing pressure, or growth plateaus, this conversation will change how you think about your business.

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💬 Comment below: Are you repositioning your agency because of AI? Or are you still competing on price and execution? We’d love to hear where you’re at.

🎯 Resources and Links

• JFD Coaching (John’s Coaching Business) - https://www.johnfdoherty.com
• John Doherty on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnfdoherty/
• John Doherty on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/johnfdoherty/
• Credo - https://getcredo.com/
• EditorNinja - https://editorninja.com/

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SEO Testing Secrets from SearchPilot’s Will Critchlow 🚀 | Enterprise A/B Testing That Actually Works23 févr. 202601:03:00

https://page2pod.com - What if your SEO “best practices” are actually costing you traffic?

In this episode of the Page 2 Podcast, Jon Clark and Joe DeVita sit down with Will Critchlow, CEO and co-founder of SearchPilot and former founder of Distilled, to unpack the evolution of SEO experimentation, the transition from agency to software, and why instinct-driven SEO is no longer enough.

Will shares the behind-the-scenes story of spinning SearchPilot out of Distilled just before the pandemic, how enterprise brands are running statistically rigorous SEO A/B tests across thousands of pages, and why even “obvious” fixes (like breadcrumb schema updates) can reduce traffic.

We also dive deep into how SEO testing is changing in the age of LLMs. With ChatGPT and other AI tools emerging as traffic sources, traditional attribution models are breaking down—and experimentation is more critical than ever.

If you care about measurable SEO impact, enterprise experimentation, or navigating the future of search, this episode is packed with insight.

🔬 In This Episode

• Why “SEO best practices” can actually hurt your traffic
• The real story behind spinning SearchPilot out of Distilled
• Why most SEO tests fail—and what makes a strong hypothesis
• How enterprise brands structure scalable SEO A/B testing programs
• The surprising breadcrumb schema test that reduced traffic
• Why title tag tests are high-risk, high-reward
• How LLMs like ChatGPT are becoming measurable traffic sources
• Why net impact matters more than isolated traffic gains
• The shift from services to software—and leadership lessons along the way
• Why focus, not innovation, is often the real competitive advantage

This episode is a masterclass in bringing scientific rigor to SEO and building a controllable performance engine with provable ROI.

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🔗 Tools and Resources Mentioned:

• Will Critchlow on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/willcritchlow/
• Will Critchlow on X → https://x.com/willcritchlow
• Will Critchlow on Threads → https://www.threads.com/@willcritchlow
• Will Critchlow on BlueSky → https://bsky.app/profile/willcritchlow.bsky.social
• SearchPilot → https://www.searchpilot.com
• Brainlabs acquisition of Distilled → https://theygotacquired.com/agency/distilled-acquired-by-brainlabs/
• SearchPilot's Testing Distinction → https://www.searchpilot.com/resources/blog/what-is-seo-split-testing
• 75% of SEO Tests are Inconclusive → https://www.searchpilot.com/resources/blog/seo-a/b-testing-realizing-the-value-of-a-good-experimentation-program
• SearchPilot's GEO testing → https://www.searchpilot.com/resources/blog/searchpilot-geo-testing

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Stop Chasing Traffic: Bianca Anderson’s “Heavy Hitters” SEO Playbook 🔥16 févr. 202600:38:57

https://page2pod.com - Episode 106 of the Page 2 Podcast features Bianca “Binks” Anderson—former SEO leader across agencies, HubSpot’s flagship blog, and Hims & Hers—breaking down why “traffic” is often the wrong north star for modern SEO.

Bianca walks Jon Clark and Joe DeVita through her Heavy Hitter Framework, a conversion-weighted approach to identifying the small set of URLs driving outsized business impact (think Pareto Principle in action). Instead of panicking when organic traffic drops, this framework helps teams monitor and protect the URLs that actually move revenue—and respond faster when volatility hits.

You’ll also hear Bianca’s real-world playbook for healthcare and other regulated industries, where legal review can stall (or kill) content programs. Her approach: center legal’s fears early, bake them directly into the brief, ship a defensible MVP, and scale what proves performance—without compromising user value.

On the future-facing side, Bianca connects EEAT and experience-driven content to LLM visibility and AEO, including how structure (answer-first summaries, chunking, standalone sections, tables) and off-site credibility signals increasingly matter.

Connect with Bianca:
• Twitter/X: @BinksdoesSEO
• LinkedIn page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/stellar-search-signals/

• Linkedin Profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bianca-anderson/ 

🛰️ In This Episode

• Why “traffic” can be a misleading KPI—and what to measure instead
• The Heavy Hitter Framework: finding the top converting URLs that matter most
• Using tiering (including “brown dwarfs”) to spot hidden conversion opportunities
• How to stay calm during volatility (including major core update swings)
• A practical method for working with legal teams in high-stakes healthcare content
• EEAT in 2026: experience-driven content, “taste,” and credibility signals that scale
• Reddit + Ahrefs content gap research to uncover first-person angles users trust
• AEO tactics: answer-first structure, tighter chunking, and LLM-friendly formatting
• Newer visibility KPIs: brand citations, sentiment, assisted conversions, on-page behavior
• Career and speaking advice: community, curiosity, and learning through failure

If you’re trying to future-proof organic growth, this episode will help you rebuild reporting and strategy around business impact—not vanity metrics.

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Why Your Website Doesn’t Convert (And How to Fix It) with Talia Wolf 💡09 févr. 202600:52:44

In this episode of the Page 2 Podcast, we sit down with Talia Wolf — founder of Getuplift, best-selling author of Emotional Targeting, and one of the world’s top CRO experts. Talia breaks down why most websites fail to convert, and it has nothing to do with button colors or headline formulas.

She introduces her Emotional Targeting Framework™, a research-driven approach that uncovers the emotional drivers behind why customers actually buy. From eCommerce to B2B and service businesses, Talia shows how emotion—not best practices—should guide your CRO strategy.

You’ll learn how to transform your homepage, pricing page, and product pages into high-converting assets by tapping into customer pain points, desires, and decision-making behaviors. We dive into AI’s limitations in copywriting, the psychology of trust and social image, and why optimizing your presence on Reddit, LinkedIn, and even LLMs is now mission-critical.

Whether you’re a marketer, founder, or agency pro, this episode will completely reframe how you think about user experience, storytelling, and the future of conversion optimization.

🧠 In This Episode
• Why traditional CRO misses the mark by ignoring customer emotions
• Talia’s Emotional Targeting Framework™ and how it works
• The 223 emotional triggers that drive conversions (and how to use them)
• B2B vs B2C emotional differences — what really drives each persona
• Why AI still fails at emotional copywriting (and what it can help with)
• How to write homepages, pricing pages, and category pages that convert
• Using social listening & review mining to shape messaging
• The rising role of LLMs (ChatGPT, Gemini) in brand perception
• Why your brand must optimize Reddit, LinkedIn & beyond
• Color psychology myths — why “red means urgency” is outdated
• Why “Powered by AI” and “#1 Solution” should die from your copy
• Talia’s personal CRO audit method using emotional resonance grading
• How conversion strategies vary between eComm, SaaS, and services
• Reddit authenticity tips: Should your team post as themselves?

This episode is packed with powerful insights that will help you build emotionally resonant marketing that actually converts.

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📚 Resources Mentioned 
• Talia Wolf on Linkedin → https://www.linkedin.com/in/taliagw/
• Talia Wolf on YouTube → https://www.youtube.com/@TaliaWolf
• GetUplift → https://getuplift.co/
• GetUplift Case Studies → https://getuplift.co/conversion-optimization-case-studies/
• Talia's Free Emotional Targeting Course → https://getuplift.co/conversion-optimization-resources/
• Talia Wolf's personal website → https://taliawolf.com/
• Emotional Targeting (Book) → https://amzn.to/4aC3JOG
• Heart Before Carts (Podcast) → https://taliawolf.com/podcast

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The Future of SEO is Now: AI, Psychology & Search with Garrett Sussman 🤯02 févr. 202600:51:40

https://page2pod.com - Garrett Sussman, Director of Marketing at iPullRank and the mastermind behind SEO Week, joins Jon Clark and Joe DeVita on Episode 104 of the Page 2 Podcast to decode the future of SEO. This episode goes far beyond technical SEO and dives deep into the intersections of AI, psychology, and storytelling in today’s marketing landscape.

We explore why the term "SEO" might be outdated, how vector embeddings and personalization are redefining search, and why confirmation bias might be the most underrated force shaping SERPs. Garrett also takes us behind the scenes of launching a new kind of SEO conference, sharing what it really takes to build a brand within a brand.

If you’re feeling overwhelmed by the pace of AI or unsure what “AI Search” or “GEO” really mean—this episode will ground you with clarity, insights, and inspiration.

🧩 In This Episode:
•  How AI is reshaping search behavior and the marketer's role
•  Why confirmation bias is a critical SEO factor
•  The debate between GEO, AEO, and "Relevance Engineering"
•  The role of vector embeddings & cosine similarity in content strategy
•  Psychology, performance, and storytelling in modern marketing
•  Building SEO Week: behind-the-scenes of launching a new industry event
•  The tension and synergy of working with a visionary founder
•  Personalization vs. privacy: the future of search bubbles
•  Book recs: Thinking Fast and Slow and The Alignment Problem
•  Why ChatGPT might be Garrett’s most essential SEO tool

This episode is a masterclass in understanding where search is headed and how to adapt with creativity, strategy, and empathy.

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🛠️ Tools & Resources Mentioned
•  Follow Garrett Sussman on LinkedIn
•  Qforia: Query fan-out simulator
•  Query fan-out content gap analyzer
•  Introduction to Relevance Engineering
•  The AI Search Manual
•  Get your SEOWeek tickets
•  Mike King's Smurf-inspired Art-and-Science of Personas
•  a16z GEO over SEO

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🧩 Inside Melissa Popp’s Multi-LLM AI Workflow for Powerful Content Strategy26 janv. 202600:54:32

https://page2pod.com - In this episode, Jon and Joe sit down with Melissa Popp, VP of Content Strategy & Innovation at RicketyRoo, for a deep dive into content that connects — not just ranks. With over 20 years in the game, Melissa has mastered the art of blending storytelling with strategy, using AI tools like ChatGPT, Claude, and Perplexity to enhance (not replace) human insight.

Melissa shares her exact workflow for integrating LLMs, the client onboarding questions that unlock authentic brand voices, and why internal linking deserves more love. She also explores the balance between creating at scale and crafting content that truly moves people. Whether you're an SEO pro, a content strategist, or navigating the noisy world of AI-powered marketing, this episode is a masterclass in doing content the right way.

🛠️ In This Episode
• 💡 Why content should be human and honest, not just optimized
• 🤖 How Melissa blends ChatGPT, Claude, and Perplexity into her content process
• 📋 The key questions that help brands find their voice
• 🔗 Using AI to uncover hidden gems for internal linking
• 🧪 The power of A/B testing and regular content updates
• 📉 Why Melissa avoids shortcuts like listicles for the sake of quality
• 🛠️ Custom GPTs, spaces, and workflows explained
• 💬 Why AI can't replace real empathy, nuance, and storytelling
• 💥 How SMBs can stand out even in “unsexy” industries
• 🎯 Redefining content success: from quantity to action-driven quality

Whether you're updating legacy blogs or starting from scratch, Melissa offers an approach that proves good content is still the best strategy — even in an AI world.

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💬 What’s one way you're integrating AI into your content process? Drop it in the comments!

📚 Resources Mentioned 
• Follow Melissa on LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissapopp/
• Follow Melissa on X → https://x.com/poppupwriter
• Follow Melissa on Instagram → https://www.instagram.com/poppupwriter/
• Follow Melissa on Bluesky → https://bsky.app/profile/melissapopp.com
• Follow Melissa on Threads → https://www.threads.com/@poppupwriter
• Melissa's Personal Website → https://www.melissapopp.com/
• RicketyRoo → https://ricketyroo.com/
• Melissa's Human-Led AI-Powered Playbook Presentation at WTSFest Philly: https://ricketyroo.com/blog/wtsfest-philly-2025/

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💡 How Accessibility Boosts SEO & UX | Amber Hinds of Equalize Digital19 janv. 202600:51:14

We dive into the essential and often misunderstood world of website accessibility with Amber Hinds, CEO of Equalize Digital. Amber is a leading force in digital accessibility, building tools and services that help organizations stay compliant and inclusive—while also improving SEO, UX, and conversions.

From her start in web development to leading audits for higher ed and federal entities, Amber walks us through the real impact of accessibility—from legal compliance and lawsuits to measurable business improvements like lower bounce rates, increased conversions, and fewer support tickets. She breaks down where automated tools fall short, why remediation matters, and how accessibility overlaps directly with SEO strategies.

We also dig into her Page Builder Accessibility Report, offering a transparent look at how major WordPress tools perform when it comes to inclusive design. Whether you're a dev, marketer, or site owner, this episode is packed with actionable insights that can future-proof your website—and your business.

🧠 In This Episode
• Why web accessibility is more than a legal checkbox
• Real-world examples of audits that led to increased traffic & conversions
• What makes automated accessibility checkers effective (and their limits)
• The overlap between accessibility, SEO, and UX
• How to audit, remediate, and maintain accessibility like you do with SEO
• Common issues with page builders, buttons, and form plugins
• Why choosing the right font, color contrast, and heading structure matters
• Legal risks and compliance standards (WCAG, ADA, European Accessibility Act)
• Tips on prioritizing fixes from the bottom of the funnel up
• How WordPress users can leverage Accessibility Checker for ongoing audits

Empower your business by designing for everyone. Accessibility isn't just ethical—it's a smart, scalable advantage.

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💬 What’s your biggest accessibility challenge? Drop it in the comments!

🔗 Mentioned Resources & Links
• Equalize Digital Website – https://equalizedigital.com
• Amber Hinds on Twitter (X) – https://twitter.com/heyamberhinds
• Amber Hinds on BlueSky - https://bsky.app/profile/amberhinds.bsky.social
• Amber Hinds on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/amberhinds/
• Amber Hinds on Github – https://github.com/amberhinds
• Facebook Accessibility Group - https://www.facebook.com/groups/wordpress.accessibility
• Accessibility Checker Plugin – https://equalizedigital.com/accessibility-checker/
• Page Builder Accessibility Report (2024) – https://equalizedigital.com/page-builder-accessibility-report/
• Page Builder Accessibility Report (2025) - https://equalizedigital.com/page-builder-accessibility-report-2025-update-amber-hinds/
• WP Accessibility Day Conference – https://wpaccessibilityday.org
• Deque Axe Core (Open Source Library) – https://github.com/dequelabs/axe-core
• Gravity Forms (recommended accessible form plugin) – https://www.gravityforms.com
• Highland Community College Accessibility Case Study – https://equalizedigital.com/from-complaint-to-compliance-highland-community-colleges-journey-to-website-accessibility/
• Failures and Successes - https://amberhinds.com/2025/12/2025-failures-and-successes/
• Accessibility Craft Podcast – https://equalizedigital.com/accessibility-craft-podcast/
• Belching Beaver Peanut Butter Milk Stout – https://belchingbeaver.com/beer/peanut-butter-milk-stout

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Inside Barry Schwartz’s SEO Brain: Automation, AI & Search in 2026 🤯12 janv. 202600:47:45

In this kickoff to Season 5 of the Page 2 Podcast, Jon Clark and Joe speak with Barry Schwartz — the legendary technologist behind RustyBrick and the prolific voice of Search Engine Roundtable and Search Engine Land. With nearly 45,000 posts under his belt and decades of SEO insights, Barry reveals how he's built an unstoppable publishing machine while running a thriving custom software business.

From automating billing at RustyBrick to maintaining an obsessive publishing schedule that starts at 5 AM, Barry shares how efficiency and passion drive everything he does. Learn how he's adapted to AI tools like Claude and Midjourney, his take on Google’s AI overviews, why automation doesn’t threaten jobs, and how he views trust, content longevity, and the future of search.

🤖 In This Episode
• Barry’s dual role as CEO of RustyBrick and SEO journalist
• How he manages 50,000 posts without SEO services
• Why automation empowers teams (not replaces them)
• His take on AI’s role in software and content creation
• Barry’s strict 5AM productivity routine & batching strategy
• Using Claude & Midjourney in real-world tech workflows
• Thoughts on AI overviews, content syndication, & traffic impact
• Why Barry won’t remove old SEO posts (archival value matters)
• The right way to become a speaker at SEO conferences
• The role of Feedly, social media scheduling, and A/B testing
• His honest view on LLM content usage and trust in search

This episode is a goldmine for marketers, SEOs, and technologists navigating the shifting landscape of AI, automation, and publishing in 2026.

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Follow Barry Schwartz
• Search Engine Roundtable – https://www.seroundtable.com
• RustyBrick – https://www.rustybrick.com
• Youtube:  ⁨@rustybrick⁩
• Twitter: http://twitter.com/rustybrick
• Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/rustybrick

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Rand Fishkin on Escaping VC Culture, Google Leaks & AI Truths 🤖 | Episode 10003 nov. 202500:47:32

https://page2pod.com - In this landmark 100th episode of the Page 2 Podcast, Rand Fishkin returns to reflect on life after Moz, the liberation of leaving venture capital behind, and his journey with SparkToro. He opens up about the recent Google API leaks, the real impact of AI and LLMs in marketing, and how the digital landscape is evolving toward a zero-click future. With transparency, humor, and loads of insight, Rand dives deep into audience research, entrepreneurship, and what still excites (and frustrates) him in search marketing.

Whether you're a digital marketer, entrepreneur, or SEO nerd, this episode is packed with actionable advice and real talk from one of the industry's most authentic voices.

🔍 In This Episode:
🎯 Rand explains the emotional toll and freedom of leaving Moz and VC pressures
🔍 Behind the scenes of SparkToro’s clickstream-powered insights
📁 The real story behind the Google search API leak and its validation
🔄 Why the SEO influencer space feels stale—and what might change
🧠 Rand's take on AI: useful tools vs. overhyped tech
📊 How SparkToro integrates LLMs to improve audience targeting
🧪 The importance of testing and data-driven marketing experiments
🧑‍🍳 A surprising story about ultrasonic knives and finding product-market fit
🛒 Smart Q4 e-commerce tips for brands both big and small
🌐 Why your website still matters—but so does zero-click marketing
🔮 Rand's predictions for SparkToro, AlertMouse, and the future of search

From philosophical shifts in business to the power of podcasts in training AI models, this episode is a masterclass in modern marketing.

📚 Resources Mentioned
• Rand Fishkin on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/randfishkin/
• SparkToro:  https://sparktoro.com
• SnackBar Studio: Rand's game dev studio - https://snackbarstudio.com
• AlertMouse: Rand's media monitoring tool - https://alertmouse.com/
• Seattle Ultrasonics: Knife startup mentioned - https://seattleultrasonics.com/
• Google Leak: https://sparktoro.com/blog/an-anonymous-source-shared-thousands-of-leaked-google-search-api-documents-with-me-everyone-in-seo-should-see-them/
• IMEC Lab: https://sparktoro.com/blog/imec-lab/

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LLM Rankings Explained: How ChatGPT & Perplexity Surface Content in 2025 with Metehan Yesilyurt27 oct. 202500:53:24

https://page2pod.com - In this episode, Jon Clark and Joe DeVita engage with Metehan Yesilyurt to explore the evolving landscape of SEO in the age of AI. They discuss the transition from traditional SEO metrics to new paradigms influenced by AI technologies, including the concept of Rank Fusion and the importance of brand visibility. 

The conversation delves into practical strategies for optimizing content for AI search engines, the role of platforms like YouTube, and the future of e-commerce with AI integration. The episode concludes with predictions for the dominance of AI search engines by 2027.

Metehan dives deep into the seismic shifts in how search engines are evolving, including how visibility works in Large Language Models, the mechanics of Reciprocal Rank Fusion (RRF), and why the classic SEO metric of “rank” is rapidly becoming outdated.

From prompt analysis and AI-driven content strategy to platform-specific publishing cadences and the surprising power of YouTube in LLMs, this episode is a must-listen for digital marketers and SEOs who want to stay ahead of the curve.

💡 In This Episode (🧠):
• Why Metehan left traditional SEO for AI-driven discovery
• The founding story and mission behind AEO Vision
• How LLMs like ChatGPT and Perplexity “rank” content differently
• What Reciprocal Rank Fusion (RRF) is and how it impacts visibility
• Why brand mentions matter more than backlinks in AI search
• The role of schema, structured content, and semantic chunking
• Why you shouldn’t optimize solely for LLMs (and how it hurts SEO)
• How YouTube is a powerful but underrated channel for AI visibility
• Prompt analysis: what real user questions reveal about content strategy
• Predictions on who will dominate AI search by 2027

If you're looking to understand the next wave of search and how to optimize for it, this episode will arm you with the knowledge you need.

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💬 What are you doing to optimize for AI and LLM search? Drop your thoughts in the comments below!

🔗 Mentioned in the Episode:
• Follow Metehan on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/metehanyesilyurt/
• AEO Vision:  https://aeovision.ai
• AI Share Buttons: https://metehan.ai/blog/citemet-ai-share-buttons-growth-hack-for-llms/
• Reciprocal Rank Fusion (RRF)
👉 https://plg.uwaterloo.ca/~gvcormac/cormacksigir09-rrf.pdf
👉 https://metehan.ai/blog/chatgpt-is-using-reciprocal-rank-fusion-rrf/

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Inside Razorfish’s AI Search Strategy 🧠 | Amos Ductan on Merging SEO, Paid Search & Answer Engines20 oct. 202500:55:21

https://page2pod.com - What happens when search engines evolve into answer engines and AI determines what your audience sees? In this episode, Jon Clark and Joe DeVita talk with Amos Ductan, SVP of Search at Razorfish, about the radical shift from traditional search to AI-powered discovery platforms like ChatGPT, Perplexity, and Google's AI mode.

Amos dives into how Razorfish is merging SEO and paid media strategies, preparing for a future where prompts replace keywords, and "just showing up" in AI results becomes the new baseline for success. He also introduces the concept of "The Correction"—how AI search is recalibrating both consumer behavior and the KPIs marketers have relied on for decades.

Whether you're leading an agency or managing digital campaigns, this conversation is packed with tactical insights on AI visibility, feed optimization, and how to future-proof your marketing strategy.

🤖 In This Episode
• What an "answer engine" is—and how it changes everything
• Why AI-driven search reduces the number of clicks and reshapes attribution
• How Razorfish is redefining paid + organic search teams
• The concept of “The Correction” in AI search and marketing metrics
• How to audit your brand's AI visibility and clean your product feeds
• Strategies for preparing shopping feeds for AI commerce (e.g., Perplexity & ChatGPT)
• Why traditional conversion metrics may be obsolete in an AI-first world
• How "AI literacy" is becoming an essential skill for marketers
• The tools and prompts Razorfish uses to track brand presence in AI models
• Voice search: where it stands now and what’s coming next

Unlock a clear understanding of where search marketing is headed—and how to stay ahead.

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💬 Comment below: How is your brand adapting to the rise of answer engines?

📚 Mentioned Resources & Tools
• Amos Ductan on Linkedin (https://www.linkedin.com/in/amos-ductan-b516bb6/)
• The AI Search Playbook Webinar (https://events.publicisgroupe.com/razorfish-ai-search-playbook/rzfli)
• The New Era of AI Powered Search (https://www.razorfish.com/articles/perspectives/the-new-era-of-ai-powered-search/)
• How Agentic AI Will Reshape Search (https://www.razorfish.com/articles/perspectives/how-agentic-ai-will-reshape-search/)

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🤖 How Indeed Uses Machine Learning to Power Programmatic SEO at Scale with Chris Reynolds13 oct. 202501:03:48

https://page2pod.com - In this powerhouse episode of the Page 2 Podcast, we sit down with Chris Reynolds, SEO Director at Indeed and former SEO leader at eBay, to unpack how massive enterprise websites manage SEO at scale.

Chris dives into:
• Leveraging machine learning for indexability decisions
• The trade-offs between internal linking and XML sitemaps
• How Google’s indexing API and Google for Jobs are changing the SEO game
• What happens when LLMs become your discovery layer, not just search engines
• The challenges of handling billions of URLs, bad listings, and scam job content
• How prompt data and LLM visibility tools are shaping modern SEO tactics
• The future of SEO in a world led by AI agents and semantic search

Whether you’re an SEO veteran or trying to wrap your head around algorithmic indexing decisions at the highest scale, this episode is a masterclass in modern SEO strategy.

🔍 In This Episode:
• 🧠 How machine learning drives SEO strategy at Indeed
• 🏗️ Differences and similarities between SEO for eBay and Indeed
• 🔄 Indexing decisions based on user behavior and job quality
• 📈 Scaling SEO with crawl budget and internal linking strategies
• 🤖 The emerging SEO impact of LLMs and AI assistants
• 📊 Using log files and synthetic prompts to track LLM citations
• 🗺️ Navigating dual audiences: job seekers vs employers
• 🔗 The real influence of brand and PR in SEO success
• 💬 How FAQs and structured content affect visibility in LLMs

Chris reveals how a search experience led by AI and user intent is rewriting the rules of SEO. If you're in SEO, content strategy, or digital growth, this episode is a must-listen.

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💬 What’s your take on SEO’s future with LLMs like ChatGPT and AI overviews? Drop your thoughts below!

🔗 Useful Resources & Links from the Episode
• Chris Reynolds on Linkedin
• Chris' personal website Q for Query
• Indeed Hiring Lab Data Portal

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LinkedIn Ads Mistakes to Avoid (From $200M Managed) ❌ AJ Wilcox’s Winning Setup06 oct. 202500:49:07

https://page2pod.com - In this powerhouse episode of the Page 2 Podcast, we dive deep into LinkedIn Ads with AJ Wilcox, the founder of B2Linked and one of the top voices in B2B advertising. AJ shares his journey from SEO to mastering LinkedIn ads, discussing the nuances of account setup, bidding strategies, and the importance of understanding the learning phase.

With over $200 million in LinkedIn ad spend managed and direct experience with some of the platform's biggest accounts, AJ reveals the real best practices, the mistakes to avoid, and how to actually scale without burning through your budget.

Whether you're running a five-figure campaign or managing seven-figure ad budgets, AJ breaks down:

• What not to trust in LinkedIn’s default settings
• Why audience expansion could tank your campaign
• The secret to scaling with control using CPRU (Cost Per Retargetable User)
• How to structure your funnel for remarketing from day one
• Tips to avoid learning phase pitfalls and improve your relevancy score
• Budget-saving tactics from bidding to placements
• Audience segmentation that reveals surprising conversion insights
• Lead form field strategy to maximize conversions and sales team success
• Managing teams with the 80% rule for consistent client performance

📊 In This Episode 🔧
• AJ’s journey from SEO to becoming a LinkedIn ads powerhouse
• The biggest mistakes marketers make with LinkedIn Ads defaults
• Why manual bidding beats “Max Delivery” in most cases
• How to achieve $0.09 cost per retargetable user (CPRU)
• A three-stage funnel strategy that converts in high-cost channels
• The truth behind LinkedIn’s job title targeting vs. job function targeting
• Pro-level metrics AJ uses that LinkedIn doesn’t show you
• How to delegate without sacrificing client satisfaction
• Favorite tools and unexpected ad platforms worth testing

Unlock expert-level strategies to reduce waste, maximize ROI, and scale your B2B LinkedIn ad campaigns efficiently.

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🧰 Key Resources & Tools Mentioned
• AJ’s company: B2Linked
• AJ’s podcast: The LinkedIn Ad Show
• AJ Wilcox on Linkedin
• Free LinkedIn Ads Startup Checklist
• Free LinkedIn Ads Advanced Guide

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Why Most Realtors Fail at SEO (And How to Fix It) 🏡 | Matt McGee on Building Real Authority29 sept. 202500:59:40

https://page2pod.com - We sit down with Matt McGee, founder of the SEO Savvy Agent, to unpack why most real estate agents struggle with SEO, and what to do about it. From earning organic leads to dealing with IDX duplicate content, Matt shares decades of experience from journalism, in-house SEO, and working alongside major digital platforms.

This episode is essential for any real estate pro ready to ditch paid leads and build a long-term, sustainable SEO strategy that actually works.

🎧 Whether you're a realtor trying to scale your business or a marketer navigating AI disruptions, this episode is packed with timeless and tactical wisdom.

🏘️ In This Episode
• Why short-term real estate marketing fails
• Matt’s career shift from media to real estate SEO
• The real reason most agents resist SEO and how to overcome it
• How IDX listings create massive duplicate content issues
• Why Google trusts brands with branded search volume
• Using E-E-A-T principles to create standout real estate content
• The reality of AI in real estate search (it’s not there yet!)
• A powerful story about career transitions, personal loss, and resilience
• How Matt helped his wife become the top agent in her region
• Practical KPI tips every agent should track today

This episode is your blueprint for building digital authority in an industry that resists change. 🎯

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🧰 Key Resources & Tools Mentioned

• Matt McGee on LinkedIn
• The SEO Savvy Agent Official Site
• Cari McGee Real Estate Team
• Sierra Interactive Real Estate CMS Platform
• Search Engine Land
• Ask the Realtor Content Series

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AI vs SEO: Duane Forrester on Search, Chunking & the Future of Optimization 🤖22 sept. 202501:10:53

https://page2pod.com - In this episode of the Page 2 Podcast, we welcome Duane Forrester, SEO pioneer, former Bing evangelist, and founder of UnboundAnswers.com. Duane dives deep into how AI is reshaping the world of search and what that means for content creators, SEOs, and businesses alike. 

From the evolution of Bing Webmaster Tools to the semantic structures that drive modern optimization, Duane shares battle-tested insights on how to stay visible in a world where large language models rewrite the rules.

This episode isn’t just about SEO — it’s about the critical thinking, systems awareness, and storytelling skills needed to lead in a world powered by AI.

🧠 In This Episode (🤖 AI Meets SEO):
• Duane Forrester on launching Bing Webmaster Tools & Schema.org
• Why AI hasn’t killed search, it has fractured it
• Semantic density vs. semantic overlap explained
• The critical role of chunking strategies in modern content
• How to train AI to be part of your SEO team
• The emerging importance of people management in SEO
• Why job titles don’t matter. Doing the work does
• Universal verifiers: what they are and why they matter
• How to future-proof your SEO skills and team structure
• Tools Duane is building and the AI-infused future he sees coming

Duane delivers an unfiltered, deeply informed perspective that bridges the past and future of search. Whether you're a marketer, SEO, or content strategist, this episode will reframe how you think about AI’s role in your work.

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🔗 Resources & Mentions
• Duane Forrester on Linkedin
• Unbound Answers
• Schema.org
• Duane Forrester Decodes Substack
• Which SEO Jobs AI Will Reshape & Which Might Disappear
• The Verifier Layer: Why SEO Automation Still Needs Human Judgment

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SEO in the Age of AI 🤖 | Kevin Indig on Google Overviews, E-Commerce & The Future of Search15 sept. 202500:56:11

https://page2pod.com - In this episode of the Page 2 Podcast, Jon Clark and Joe DeVita welcome back Kevin Indig for a deep dive into the changing SEO landscape in 2025. From AI overviews reshaping Google search to new content strategies, Kevin shares actionable insights for brands navigating the future of organic growth.

Kevin breaks down his groundbreaking studies on e-commerce SERPs, usability in AI-driven search, and the evolution of trust in online content. Whether you’re a marketer, SEO pro, or brand leader, this episode gives you the frameworks and tactics you need to adapt in an AI-first search world.

Whether you're an SEO, marketer, or brand strategist, this is a must-watch to future-proof your search strategy as we head into 2025.

☕ In This Episode (Key Takeaways):
• Kevin’s coffee ritual and why rituals set the stage for great work
• The growth of Growth Memo and moving into video-first content
• Insights from analyzing 35,000+ queries on SERP features in e-commerce
• How AI overviews are replacing product grids in Google Search
• Why image carousels dominate and what that means for shopping discovery
• Strategies for Black Friday / Cyber Monday campaigns in an AI-driven SERP
• Key findings from Kevin’s LLM & chatbot study (Wikipedia, Reddit, LinkedIn, YouTube as sources)
• Should brands block AI crawlers? The economics of content in 2025
• Content simplicity, structure, and trust signals that matter most now
• Link building’s shifting role — mentions vs. backlinks in the AI search era
• New SEO KPIs: influence, share of voice, and brand trust over clicks
• Predictions on what Google Search will look like in the next 12–24 months

This episode arms you with the insights you need to rethink SEO strategy for the AI era.

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🔗 Links & References from the Episode
• Kevin Indig on Linkedin
• Growth Memo Newsletter
• AI Overviews Usability Study
• Google E-commerce SERP Features 2025 vs. 2024
• LLMs and Content Structure
• Measurement Shifts

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How Michelle Morgan Builds High-Converting B2B Funnels with YouTube Ads 🎯08 sept. 202501:01:00

https://page2pod.com - In this episode of the Page 2 Podcast, we site down with Michelle Morgan, co-founder of Paid Media Pros and one of the most respected voices in PPC, to talk about how paid media actually works for B2B. 

Michelle dives deep into the evolving landscape of Google Ads, LinkedIn, YouTube, Facebook, and more, sharing practical strategies for marketers navigating automation, AI, and ad fatigue.

From performance-max campaigns to CRM integrations, she shares how to build scalable, conversion-focused funnels that move beyond "just check the AI box" and instead focus on clarity, intent, and control. Whether you're in eCommerce or B2B SaaS, this is your playbook for paid media that delivers.

📊 In This Episode

  • How Michelle grew Paid Media Pros into a 45K+ subscriber YouTube channel
  • Why YouTube ads do work for B2B—and how to sequence them effectively
  • Tactical retargeting strategies across platforms
  • The truth about automation and why “just checking the AI box” isn’t enough
  • Using CRM data to train ad algorithms for better lead quality
  • Why most B2B landing pages still fail—Michelle's no-BS advice
  • When to use Performance Max (and how to avoid spam leads)
  • LinkedIn’s ad ecosystem: document ads, conversation ads, and CEO thought leadership
  • Microsoft Ads vs. Google Ads: where’s the real value?
  • Facebook Ads fragility—how to scale spend without tanking performance
  • Michelle’s take on TikTok vs YouTube Shorts for discovery
  • The one thing she’d tell her younger PPC self (and a hilarious golf question to close)

🎧 This episode is your crash course in smart, no-fluff paid media that scales.

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🔗 Links and Resources 

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SEO vs SEM is Dead 💥 Luigi Ferguson on Winning Holistic Search at Intuit01 sept. 202501:09:22

https://page2pod.com - In this powerhouse episode of the Page 2 Podcast, Luigi Ferguson, who leads holistic search at Intuit (QuickBooks), joins Jon and Joe to break down the future of search. It’s no longer SEO or SEM—it’s all about playing on the same battlefield. Luigi explains why collaboration between paid and organic teams is no longer optional and how AI is reshaping the rules.

From AI Max and automation to fighting click fraud, affiliate strategy, and rethinking content for AI Overviews, Luigi shares hard-earned wisdom from his time at McAfee, Yahoo, Critio, and now Intuit. If you’re in search marketing or performance strategy, this is a must-listen.

📊 Whether you're struggling with attribution, planning content for LLMs, or optimizing shopping feeds, this episode gives you tools and perspectives that apply today—and tomorrow.

📌 In This Episode (🔍)
• The “one battlefield” mindset: paid vs organic is an illusion
• How to align SEO & SEM teams—and why you must
• AI Max, automation & the death of granular control
• Fighting fraud and low-quality leads in PMax campaigns
• How to rethink ROI in a post-click world
• Planning content for AI Overviews and impression-heavy SERPs
• Using call center data to power high-impact content
• Why knowing your _non_-customer matters too
• Strategies for affiliate monitoring and brand term protection
• Optimizing shopping feeds with real search behavior in mind
• Tentpole marketing: balancing long-term planning with war room agility
• Predictions on the future of Google’s SERP with AI front and center

This episode is packed with insights to level up your marketing strategy and prep for the fast-evolving world of search. Whether you're scaling B2B or battling click fraud, this convo will reshape how you think about search.

🎧 Don’t miss it!

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🔗 Links and Resources 
• Luigi Ferguson on Linkedin
• Impact of Google Map Pack ads
• ChatGPT disrupting Chegg

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SEO Then & Now: Marshall Simmonds on AI, Dark Traffic , LLM.txt & the Future of Search 🚀25 août 202500:52:53

https://page2pod.com - What happens when the gatekeepers of search stop sending traffic, but still take the content? In this milestone Episode 90, Marshall Simmonds (Defined Media Group) joins us to trace SEO’s journey from white-text-on-white-backgrounds to log-file analysis, AIO, and LLM.txt—plus what publishers must do right now. He even shares the wild story of spinning up a mirror test server so Google (and others) could pound on About.com to refine their crawlers.

We dig into why watching server logs matters more than ever, how “dark traffic” is back, and why author authority and structured content still win—despite shifting consumption and murky attribution in AI-assisted search.

Marshall also takes us behind the scenes on unlocking The New York Times archive (and why it crushed for traffic and revenue), plus a pragmatic take on AIO monetization, blocking AI training vs. real-time access, and the early but evolving role of LLM.txt.

🧠 In This Episode:
• The About.com “test server” era: letting engines crawl a mirror site to improve their bots—what Marshall learned by “watching the watchers.” 
• Why log files are mission-critical again as dark traffic surges and LLM crawlers multiply. 
• Enterprise-grade log tooling & options: Sitebulb, Screaming Frog, Splunk—what to use when. 
• Crawl budget signals hiding in plain sight: the Search Console “Crawl stats” report. 
• NYT archive strategy: opening history for scale, membership, and revenue (and why it worked). 
• E-E-A-T before the acronym: building human authority into content and authorship. 
• LLM.txt today: yes, it’s crawled; no, standards aren’t settled; how teams are exposing it. 
• AIO reality check: impressions up, clicks down; what’s converting (and why patience pays). 
• Blocking AI training vs. real-time use: robots.txt limits, legal gray zones, and first-line defenses. 
• Holistic marketing > channel silos: brand, email, social, search, Discover—working together.

If you've ever wondered where SEO has been and where it's headed, this conversation with Marshall Simmonds is essential listening.

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🔗 Links & Resources Mentioned
• Marshall Simmonds LinkedIn
• Defined Media Official Site
• Page 2 Podcast Noah Learner episode

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How Ryan McGonagill Builds High-Impact Content at Scale Across 10+ Brands in 2025 🚀18 août 202500:42:37

https://page2pod.com - What does it take to run a multi-brand content machine—and decide what not to publish? Ryan McGonagill, VP of Content at Centerfield, breaks down how his team powers 10+ owned brands like business.com and security.org while keeping content simple, useful, and relentlessly user-first. We dig into why personalization beats flashy interactives, and how to design for real decisions—not vanity metrics.

You’ll hear the refresh system that keeps nothing older than a year (and why ISP deal pages may need updates every ~2 weeks), plus how seasonality (think moving season) reshapes the calendar. Ryan also unpacks verticalized expertise, the team’s “gold standard” quality bar, and why user value beats dwell-time games every time.

On the PR side, we talk about crafting hooks that surprise and earn coverage, the DEI pronoun study that drew massive press (and even an Elon Musk reply), and how Ryan thinks about links vs. referral traffic. We close with a pragmatic take on AI, where human judgment is non-negotiable and LLMs assist without replacing expertise.

Finally, Ryan shares why content structure may matter even more as AI overviews evolve—and the single best link he’s ever earned.

🧠 In This Episode
• Centerfield’s model: owning acquisition end-to-end and publishing across ~10 brands, from business.com to security.org. 
• Personalization > “cool” interactives: give users simple, relevant tools (even a basic calculator). 
• “User first” beats dwell-time hacks—ship what helps people decide, not what inflates metrics. 
• The refresh playbook: nothing older than a year; ISP pages reviewed ~biweekly; plan around seasonality (e.g., moving May–Sep). 
• Verticalized writers + editors and a non-negotiable “gold standard” (third-party + firsthand expertise, real photos). 
• How to prioritize: fortify winners before chasing breadth; align SEO (traffic/rank) with content’s profit focus. 
• PR that lands: lead with surprising data and media-worthy angles; why links > referral traffic from research. 
• AI in the workflow: frequent LLM upgrades, but keep human touchpoints for judgment, reviews, and accuracy.

This episode is a tactical blueprint for scaling content that _actually helps people decide_—and earns the kind of links and trust that last.

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🚀 Unlocking GA4’s Hidden Power with Brie Anderson | Data-Driven Marketing Secrets11 août 202501:00:39

https://page2pod.com - Most marketers are only using 20% of Google Analytics 4’s capabilities — and it’s costing them big. In this episode of the Page 2 Podcast, we sit down with Brie Anderson, founder of Beast Analytics and one of the earliest voices bringing clarity to the chaotic transition from Universal Analytics to GA4.

Brie shares why small tracking errors can lead to massive strategic blind spots, how to fix bad data before it misleads you, and why GA4’s Advertising tab is a goldmine — even if you never run ads. She also breaks down her BEAST Framework, revealing exactly how to audit, analyze, and act on your data for real business growth.

Whether you’re an SEO, media buyer, or marketing strategist, this conversation is packed with actionable insights to make your analytics truly accessible and actionable.

📊 In This Episode:
• Why most marketers only tap into a fraction of GA4’s potential
• The high cost of bad data — and how to prevent it
• Brie’s BEAST Framework for reliable, strategic analytics
• Common GA4 migration mistakes (and how to fix them)
• Unlocking the hidden power of GA4’s Advertising tab
• How to spot and leverage multi-touch attribution data
• Tips for integrating Google Search Console with GA4
• Future trends in AI-driven analytics (and their pitfalls)

Brie delivers a masterclass in making your marketing data work harder for you — with a healthy dose of real talk about the industry’s blind spots.

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🔗 Links & Resources Mentioned
• Brie Anderson on LinkedIn
• Brie Anderson on YouTube
• Beast Analytics Official Site

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🌟 Inside an SEO Agency Merger: Tyson Stockton on Acquiring Internet Marketing Ninjas, Culture and Growth04 août 202500:56:19

https://page2pod.com - Tyson Stockton, Co-founder & COO of Previsible.io, unpacks the challenges and strategies behind merging two distinct SEO agencies: Previsible.io and Internet Marketing Ninjas. 

Tyson shares candid insights about integrating teams, managing culture, and redefining roles while preserving legacy. We also explore how AI is reshaping the SEO industry, driving a renaissance in link building and authority building strategies.

🧩 In This Episode:
• Navigating the complex integration of two SEO agencies
• The importance of cultural fit and open communication
• Strategic insights on preserving legacy and heritage post-merger
• Adapting SEO services to remain relevant amidst AI evolution
• How link building is evolving in the AI era
• Developing effective career paths within SEO teams

Tyson provides valuable lessons for agency owners and SEO professionals navigating mergers, acquisitions, and evolving search landscapes.

🔗 Links & Resources Mentioned
• Tyson Stockton LinkedIn
• Internet Marketing Ninjas
• Previsible.io
• Voice of Search Podcast
• 2025 SEO Jobs Report
• 2025 SEO Compensation Trends
• Page 2 Podcast Nick LeRoy episode

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📈 Inside EY’s AI & Content Strategy: Lou Cohen’s Guide to Winning in 202528 juil. 202501:08:19

https://page2pod.com - In this episode of the Page 2 Podcast, Jon Clark welcomes Lou Cohen, Chief Digital Officer at EY Americas, for a candid and deeply insightful conversation. From his roots as a comic book store founder to leading digital strategy at one of the world’s largest consulting firms, Lou shares hard-earned wisdom on staying ahead in a rapidly evolving marketing landscape.

They dive deep into how EY is tackling the rise of generative AI, why “geo” (Generative Engine Optimization) is reshaping SEO as we know it, and how platforms like Reddit and Snapchat are influencing content strategies. With his dual role as an educator and executive, Lou offers unique perspective on the skills marketers need in today’s world—and why understanding consumer behavior still trumps any algorithm.

Don’t miss this powerful blend of mentorship, strategy, and foresight from one of digital marketing’s sharpest minds.

📚 In This Episode
• How Lou transitioned from comic book entrepreneur to Chief Digital Officer at EY
• EY's approach to AI discoverability and content sourcing for LLMs
• The new era of SEO: what “geo” really means and why it matters
• Why Reddit is critical to EY’s future marketing strategies
• How teaching keeps Lou ahead of industry trends
• Balancing brand compliance with authentic engagement on niche platforms
• Strategies behind award-winning content partnerships with Reuters and CNBC
• Career advice for marketers in a post-AI world
• Whether college still matters in the age of AI
• Lessons from EY’s global website migration effort

Lou brings a refreshing honesty to leadership, marketing, and mentorship. This episode is a must-listen for anyone navigating the future of digital.

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🔗 Links & Resources Mentioned
• EY: https://www.ey.com/
• Lou Cohen on Linkedin

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SEO Masterclass with Stephan Bajaio: Intention, Empathy & Lessons from WeWork 🚀21 juil. 202501:07:57

https://page2pod.com - What if your best SEO strategy has nothing to do with Google rankings? In this episode, Jon and Joe dive deep with Stephan Bajaio—CEO of VibeLogic and CMO at Turno—about why the future of SEO and marketing hinges on solving the right problems, breaking down silos, and leading with empathy.

Stephan brings hard-earned wisdom from scaling Conductor's SEO team and his eye-opening time at WeWork. He challenges the old way of marketing, advocating for SEO as a center of excellence and a tool for understanding people—not just traffic. From startup philosophy to AI content chaos, this episode redefines what it means to build with purpose in the modern marketing landscape.

🔍 In This Episode
• Why SEO data should live outside the SEO channel
• Stephan’s mantra: "If you're not helping people, you're just selling stuff"
• How real authorship defends against AI content sprawl
• Why most brands beat themselves—not their competitors
• Lessons from scaling at Conductor and navigating WeWork
• How intention > tactics in modern marketing strategy
• The future of SEO in a world driven by AI
• Why a flipped org chart might be your most powerful growth tool
• Building products vs. services: Stephan’s next move with VibeLogic
• Center of excellence vs. marketing channels—what wins long-term?

This episode offers a blueprint for modern leaders looking to scale smarter, build teams with meaning, and fall in love with the right problems.

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🔗 Mentioned Links & Resources

• VibeLogic – Stephan Bajaio's SEO consultancy and platform.
• StephanBajaio.com – Stephan's personal website.
• LinkedIn – Stephan's LinkedIn profile.
• Will Reynolds – Founder of Seer Interactive, noted for his SEO transparency philosophy.
• Lily Ray – SEO expert known for her work on E-E-A-T (Expertise, Experience, Authoritativeness, Trustworthiness).
• Rand Fishkin – Founder of Moz and author of Lost and Founder, often referenced for his critiques of venture capital.
• Lost and Founder – Book by Rand Fishkin about startups and the realities of VC-backed growth.
• Hook Agency – Run by Tim Brown, focused on niche marketing for the roofing industry.
• John Doerr – Known for OKR methodology; quote referenced: “Not everything that matters can be measured, and not everything you measure matters.”

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Mastering Social Ads: Akvile DeFazio’s Tactics for Higher Engagement & Smarter Scaling 📊📱14 juil. 202500:46:05

https://page2pod.com - In this episode of the Page 2 Podcast, Akvile DeFazio of AKvertise shares her incredible journey from working in physical therapy clinics to becoming a powerhouse in social media advertising — including the wild story of how saying “no” got her dinner with Richard Branson.

Akvile breaks down her tactical playbook for scaling social ad campaigns, leveraging AI tools for efficiency, building a boutique agency without sacrificing personal client touch, and choosing platforms like Reddit, TikTok, and Meta for different business goals. You’ll also learn how she rotates creatives, optimizes video content for attention, and when it’s time to say no to a client.

Whether you're a small business owner or running campaigns for global brands, this conversation is packed with actionable insights.

📌 In This Episode (📱)

  • How a gutsy “no” led to dinner with Richard Branson
  • The shift from physical therapy to digital marketing
  • Building a lifestyle agency without traditional scaling
  • Why Akvile prioritizes video ads and how to hook viewers in 3 seconds
  • Using AI tools like Julius.ai and ChatGPT to gain back time
  • When to say no to underpaying clients — and how that can work out
  • Best ad types and creative testing strategies
  • TikTok, Reddit, and Meta Ads — what works where and why
  • Why B2B leads are now cheaper on Facebook
  • Creative fatigue: how to spot it and fix it
  • Planning for a future of AI-driven campaigns

Discover how a creative and scientific mind finds balance in paid social — and why personalization and gut instinct still win the day.

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Akvile's Journey

03:09 The Bucket List Experience with Richard Branson

06:06 Transitioning from Physical Therapy to Digital Marketing

09:01 Building a Lifestyle Business in Digital Marketing

11:58 Leveraging AI Tools for Efficiency

15:05 Consulting as a Business Model

17:58 Launching Digital Products for Small Businesses

20:55 Best Practices for Video Marketing

23:56 Creating Effective Video Content

27:02 Testing AI Tools in Advertising

28:48 Exploring Ad Features and Options

31:01 Testing Strategies for Effective Advertising

34:51 Understanding Ad Fatigue and Creative Cycling

39:26 Advertising on Reddit: Strategies and Insights

41:25 Navigating TikTok Advertising Challenges

43:13 B2B Advertising Trends and Insights

45:19 Key Metrics for Evaluating Ad Performance

46:58 The Future of Advertising: Automation and AI

52:51 Predictions for Successful Ads in the Future

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Inside Sitebulb with Patrick Hathaway: AI, JavaScript & Smarter SEO Crawls 🚀07 juil. 202500:42:06

In this episode of the Page 2 Podcast, we sit down with Patrick Hathaway, co-founder and CEO of Sitebulb, a standout technical SEO crawler tool that has evolved from a desktop solution to a powerful cloud platform. Jon Clark and Joe dive into how Sitebulb carved a niche in a crowded SEO tool landscape, what makes its "hint-based" reporting so game-changing, and how it's built to thrive in the AI and JavaScript-heavy SEO future.

Patrick shares the behind-the-scenes of Sitebulb's product strategy, the role of customer feedback in tool development, and why structured data and fundamentals still matter. Learn about the challenges of SEO in the AI era, log file analysis for enterprise, and new insights into how LLM crawlers interact with websites.

🚀 Whether you’re running audits for clients or navigating SEO for an enterprise site, this conversation is packed with takeaways that will upgrade your strategy.

🔍 In This Episode
• How Sitebulb grew from a desktop tool to an enterprise cloud platform
• The strategic decision that made Sitebulb stand out—hint: it’s all about "hints"
• Why JavaScript SEO and regular audits matter more than ever
• Insight into AI crawlers and how they differ from traditional bots
• Sitebulb’s plans for integrating task management and user-defined segments
• How structured data and content optimization are evolving in the AI age
• Behind the scenes of Sitebulb’s State of JavaScript SEO Report
• The future of SEO in an AI-first search experience

Stay ahead in SEO by understanding the tools and tactics built for tomorrow’s web.

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🏢 Enterprise SEO Secrets for 20M+ Pages w/ Apartments.com VP of SEO Zach Chahalis30 juin 202500:51:57

How do you manage SEO for tens of millions of pages that drive renters, landlords, AND national press? Zach Chahalis—VP of SEO at Apartments.com—joins host Jon Clark to reveal the playbook behind enterprise-level search success. 

From agile sprint planning and split-testing metadata to turning MLS feeds and Matterport 3D tours into unique, ranking content, Zach breaks down the systems that keep America’s top rental marketplace ahead of Google’s ever-shifting SERPs and AI Overviews.

🏢 In This Episode
• How Apartments.com approaches SEO across 20M+ pages
• Agile workflows: integrating daily stand-ups, PI planning & sprint demos
• Scaling hyper-local content with proprietary rental and cost-of-living data
• Structured data, title formulas & other “boring” tactics that still move the needle
• Using AI agents for efficiency (content QA, Fair Housing compliance & more)
• Mitigating traffic loss from Google’s AI Overviews and LLM crawlers
• Smart redirect rules & platform pitfalls during massive site migrations
• Negotiating dev tickets: writing stories developers want to ship

Master the fundamentals and the future of enterprise SEO with real-world tactics you can steal today.

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🚨 The Collapse of Google News Traffic & Rise of Google Discover | John Shehata on AI, SEO & Publishing23 juin 202500:54:48

https://page2pod.com -  In episode #81 of the Page 2 Podcast, Jon Clark and Joe DeVita sit down with John Shehata—former SEO lead at Disney & Conde Nast and creator of NewzDash/GDdash—to unpack how AI and Google Discover are rewriting the rules of news distribution.

John shares his unique journey from developer to news SEO expert and SaaS founder, diving into how AI, LLMs, and Google Discover are upending everything we know about news visibility. 

He reveals why keywords are becoming less relevant, how Google’s personalization and categorization engines actually work, and what publishers must do to survive—and thrive—in this rapidly evolving ecosystem.

Tune in for actionable strategies on paywalls, content refreshing, newsletter growth, and building AI-resilient newsrooms.

🐍 In This Episode

  • Why Google Discover now drives 65–70% of news traffic—surpassing search
  • How AI Overviews & LLMs answer queries before users even click headlines
  • The rise of entity & category optimization over legacy keyword targeting
  • Data-backed tactics for refreshing evergreen content & choosing which URLs to consolidate
  • Smart paywall strategies: teaser experiences, email-gate funnels & dynamic messaging
  • Building newsletters, apps & tokenized models to future-proof publisher revenue
  • A preview of NESS Conference 2025—meet the industry’s top AI & news experts

This is a must-listen for newsrooms, digital marketers, and SEO professionals navigating the shifting landscape of search, traffic, and monetization.

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🚀 Leading SEO at Razorfish: Sean Stahlman on AI, Agencies & The Future of Search16 juin 202500:47:09

https://page2pod.com - What happens when a former skateboard brand founder becomes the SVP of SEO at one of the largest digital marketing agencies in the world?

In this episode, we sit down with Sean Stahlman of Razor Fish to dive deep into the evolution of SEO within large-scale agencies, how AI is reshaping the search landscape, and why SEO is increasingly being viewed as a brand channel. From career development to cutting-edge tools and strategy, Sean shares rich insights and stories that chart a fascinating journey through the highs and challenges of search at scale.

🌐 In This Episode
• Sean's unorthodox journey from skateboarding to SEO leadership
• How Razor Fish structures career growth in SEO
• Why SEO is becoming central to brand strategy
• The impact of AI on search and how to prepare for it
• Real-world strategies for generative engine optimization (GEO)
• Managing large SEO teams and cross-functional collaboration
• Reimagining metrics in the AI-driven search era
• The collaborative win behind mortgage.com and New York Life
• Advice for aspiring SEOs navigating today’s evolving landscape

Whether you're deep in SEO or exploring the future of digital marketing, this episode delivers practical wisdom and thought leadership from one of the industry's veterans.

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🔥 Local SEO Tactics That Actually Work in 2025! w/ Claudia Tomina 🗺️09 juin 202500:51:03

https://page2pod.com - In this powerhouse episode of the Page 2 Podcast, Jon Clark and Joe DeVita sit down with local SEO guru Claudia Tomina to uncover the most effective tactics for dominating local search in 2025. 

Whether you're a restaurant, lawyer, or roofer, Claudia shares invaluable insights on auditing Google Business Profiles, choosing the right categories, navigating service areas, and dealing with the dreaded GBP suspensions.

She also discusses how user behavior, popular times, and review strategy impact your visibility — and how to stay ahead in the age of Google's AI-powered local results. If you manage a multi-location business or serve a wide geographic area, you can't afford to miss this!

🧭 In This Episode

  • How to perform a winning Google Business Profile audit
  • Why category selection is a top ranking factor
  • The truth about service area businesses and hidden addresses
  • How “popular times” can impact local rankings
  • Tips for avoiding and recovering from GBP suspensions
  • Using citations and third-party tools effectively
  • Review recency, consistency, and how AI is policing fake reviews
  • Local SEO myths debunked: metadata, call tracking, NAP consistency
  • Google's AI mode and what it means for local search in the next 12 months

Get ahead of the competition and future-proof your local SEO with Claudia’s expert advice!

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