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Episode 36: What's the Catch? Catch Riding, Working Student Positions and Labor For Lessons Arrangements09 Nov 202500:20:41

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Join hosts Karen and Jen in this insightful episode as they dive into the world of catch riding, working students, and the dynamics of working off riding lessons in equestrian sports. They explore the nuances of these important topics, shedding light on the challenges and opportunities available for young riders and their families.

- **Young Riders:** Karen and Jen discuss the realities of very young children and the physical demands of working off riding lessons. They highlight alternative ways for parents to engage with their child's equestrian journey, including trading services for lessons or board.

- **The Working Student Experience:** The hosts emphasize that being a working student requires not only skill but also an exceptional work ethic. They share personal anecdotes and tips for navigating this challenging yet rewarding role in the equestrian community.

- **Catch Riding Pressure:** The episode also touches on the pressure that comes with catch riding, a topic Karen passionately addresses. She points out that not all barns can provide the opportunities and benefits that working students seek, leading to important considerations for aspiring riders.

Tune in for an engaging conversation packed with practical advice, personal stories, and a deeper understanding of the equestrian world. Whether you’re a seasoned rider or just starting out, this episode is sure to inspire and inform!

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Episode 35: Could A Price INCREASE Help Make Equestrian Sports More Accessible?!?02 Nov 202500:23:50

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Join hosts Jen, a lifelong equestrian professional and rider, and Karen, a dedicated parent of an equestrian trained by Jen, as they dive into an essential conversation about accessibility in horse sports. In this episode, Jen presents a **five-prong plan** designed to open the doors of equestrian sports to new riders without the immediate pressure of purchasing or leasing a horse.

Jen breaks down each point of their plan, focusing on the importance of preserving lesson barns, riding schools, and beginner programs that serve as vital entry points for aspiring equestrians. Karen adds her perspective as a parent, evaluating the viability and impact of each proposal.

**Key Points Discussed:**

1. **Normalizing Higher Prices:** Understanding the need for higher lesson prices at riding schools and lesson barns that use school horses, ensuring these programs can thrive and continue to provide access.
   
2. **Eliminating Low-Level Classes at High-Level Shows:** Aiming to encourage beginners to support foundational programs by removing low-level classes from high level horse shows.

3. **Investment by Top-Tier Barns:** Advocating for top-tier equestrian facilities to invest in developing their own lesson programs, creating a sustainable model for training new riders.

4. **Collaboration Between Programs:** Encouraging partnerships between elite barns and smaller foundational programs to create a funnel system that guides new riders through their equestrian journey.

5. **Tiered Certification System for Trainers:** Introducing a certification system that helps trainers specialize in different levels and aids new riders and parents in identifying suitable barns for their needs.

Tune in for an enlightening discussion that not only highlights the challenges faced by new riders but also offers actionable solutions to make equestrian sports more inclusive and welcoming. Whether you're a seasoned rider, a parent, or someone interested in the equestrian world, this episode is packed with insights you won't want to miss! 

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Episode 26: What's a Nice Guy Like You Doing in a Sport Like This? Luke Tanner Speaks Up On Sportsmanship and Gender Dynamics in Equestrian Competition. 31 Aug 202500:32:03

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In this enlightening episode Jen and Karen welcome a special guest; Luke Tanner, Karen's son. As one of the few boys in a sport traditionally dominated by females at the amateur level, Luke shares his unique perspective on the equestrian community.

Join the conversation as they explore Luke's experiences competing in horse shows, where he enjoyed a warm reception free from typical body comparisons and mean-spirited rivalry. Luke found himself frequently recognized with sportsmanship awards, a distinction that sparked discussions about gender dynamics in competitive environments. 

Together, they delve into the contrasts between male and female behaviors in the equestrian world, shedding light on how camaraderie and competition intersect. Tune in for an insightful dialogue that celebrates inclusivity and challenges stereotypes in the sport of horseback riding. 

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Episode 25: The Road Less Traveled—How Single Discipline Teams Offer an Alternative Route to NCEA/NCAA Equestrian Competition, with Head Coach, Tash Vitkovic 24 Aug 202500:30:43

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When you think NCEA/NCAA Equestrian, powerhouse teams such as Georgia, SMU, Auburn and the University of South Carolina probably spring to mind. But it was actually the College of Charleston that brought an NCEA Trophy back to South Carolina in 2025. Led by Head Coach, Natasha "Tash" Vitkovic, and Assistant Coach, Hope King, the Cougars clenched the NCEA Single Discipline National Championship Runner Up Title. 

Single discipline teams compete in just NCEA Jumping Seat and do not field a Western Team. Generally favored by smaller schools, single discipline teams can be stand alone or run alongside an IHSA Program, as is the case at the College of Charleston. 

In this episode, Karen and Jen sit down with Tash to discuss the recruiting process at The College of Charleston, how one team competes in two formats, and some of the advantages of a single discipline program. 

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Episode 24: Class Warfare--The Debate Over Proposed USEF Class Limits 17 Aug 202500:26:46

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In this episode, Karen and Jen tackle the contentious issue of class limits within USEF Hunter Jumper competitions. The hosts reference articles from The Plaid Horse Magazine by Robin Greenwood and Nina Thornton, and draw on their own experiences. 

As the hosts explore the pros and cons of class limits, the conversation flows into multiple scenarios that demonstrate just how complex this issue is. They discuss everything from accessibility, enforcement issues, and of course, horse welfare. 

Tune in for a spirited episode that's sure to spark even more conversation in the equestrian community

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Episode 23: Common Rider Injuries and Emergency Preparedness for Riders, Trainers and Parents10 Aug 202500:16:48

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Certified Athletic Trainer, Tamara Harris discusses her role with The University of South Carolina Equestrian Team--from treating minor pains and strains and mixing the Gatorade "just right," to handling 911 calls in the event of an emergency. Tamara also offers up advice on what barns should include in their own emergency plans, and the medical supplies that no barn should be without.  

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Episode 22: Importing a Horse on a Door Dash Salary!?!03 Aug 202500:21:33

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Karen's son hopes to Door Dash his way to his first horse purchase--and he's considering importing--impossible right?! Well maybe not. Sure, its going to take A LOT of "Dashing," but importing horses isn't reserved for the super rich. In this episode, Karen has lots of questions for Jen on her experience traveling to Europe to try horses, importing horses off of videos and so much more. Get ready for real talk about the pitfalls and the upsides of importing in the five figure price range. 

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Episode 21: Add To Cart; Do Buyers Need Professional Advice or Just a PC to Purchase a Horse?28 Jul 202500:27:00

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Karen and Jen, a dedicated horse show parent and a seasoned horse trainer, dive into some of the the crucial aspects of purchasing a horse. They explore the importance of enlisting professional help when making such an significant investment, discussing how expert guidance can prevent costly mistakes that often arise from online purchases or amatuer decisions. 

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Episode 20: Horse Show Etiquette—Cracking The Unwritten Code 20 Jul 202500:21:37

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From the fine art of cheering to the delicate balance of arrival times, Karen and Jen dissect some of the often unwritten rules of horse show etiquette. 

Discover why parents should steer clear of the in gate and the importance of timing when it comes to morning barn chores. From their two different perspectives, Karen and Jen explore the reasons behind these practices—are they all about safety, or is there a bit of trainer power play at work? 

Whether you're a rider, trainer, horse show newbie, or seasoned show parent, this episode is sure to bring you a new perspective on the arena!

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Episode 19: What's So Great About Pony Finals Anyway? 13 Jul 202500:29:15

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In a few short weeks, young riders and diminutive equines from all over the country will flock to Lexington, Kentucky for one of the most anticipated events of the year; USEF Pony Finals. 

Stepping into the Walnut Ring is the culmination of months, maybe even years of preparation and hard work. For some riders, Pony Finals is the start of an illustrious equestrian career (think Lillie Keenan). For others, Pony Finals is the first and last opportunity to compete on a grand, National stage. 

With educational opportunities, a range of awards, and a deep sense of camaraderie, its no wonder that Pony Finals has become a common goal among the 14.2 hand and under crowd. But, are we placing too much emphasis on one show? And is Pony Finals really for everyone?

In this episode, Karen and Jen Discuss the pros and cons of pony finals, as well as their own experiences with this popular event. 


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Episode 18: Liza Boyd and her Team of Family Members set to Compete for €300,000 in The Baran Global Hunter Classic06 Jul 202500:22:25

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The Baran Global Hunter Classic is an event like no other and Liza Towell Boyd has put together a team like no other!

Liza, along with her daughter Elle Boyd, and her brother Hardin Towell, are traveling to Valkendwaard, Netherlands, to take on six other teams in a Nations Cup style competition that includes an under saddle, a classic hunter round and a handy hunter round. After three days of competition, from July 11-13, 2025, the winning team will walk away with their share of the €300,000 purse. 

We caught up with Liza moments after she won the $20,000 USHJA International Hunter Derby in Tryon (NC) with Ondine d'Orleans, and just days before competition kicks off at The Baran. We chatted about her team members and their string of talented horses, as well as which competitors might have an edge, and how the hunters can continue to evolve, even after this ground breaking event. 

Baran Global Hunter Classic Founders, Kristen Baran and Andrew Lustig are on a mission to "revolutionize the hunter discipline by merging prestige, innovation and elite competition into a single unparalleled experience."

For more information, go to www.thebaran.org, and catch all the action LIVE on Clip My Horse. 

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SPECIAL EPISODE: SCOPE ON THE ROAD--Pony Powerhouses Robin Greenwood and Brynn Garrett, and the Sunday Horse Show Wrap Up30 Jun 202500:12:15

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Karen and Jen are on location in Raeford NC for the NCHJA Annual Horse Show and tracked down the legendary pony trainer, Robin Greenwood. If you're a pony rider who wants to move to the front of the model, put this episode at the top of your playlist. Robin gave us tips on turn out, bridle fit and more. Dual discipline pony rider, Brynn Garrett gave us a pony finals preview and explained some of the differences between her hunter ponies and her hackney ponies. And we caught up with Anna Tyler, winner of the 2025 EJ Haun Medal Finals. 

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Episode 34: Certified Success--Trainer Certification Programs Need Stamp of Approval From Industry Leaders26 Oct 202500:21:34

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Karen and Jen discuss the USHJA Trainer Certification Program and explore why it hasn't gained traction. They delve into the reluctance of well-known equestrian professionals to embrace the certification and suggest ways to encourage lifelong professionals to take the certification test and lead live teaching sessions. 


Karen, who is both a certified personal trainer and a certified athletic trainer, highlights the fact that these professions require not only certification but continuing education, raising the question of why the same standards shouldn't apply to horse trainers. The hosts emphasize the potential benefits of promoting certified trainers to the general public, especially for those seeking their first horse trainers. 

They draw comparisons with licensing requirements in Massachusetts for horse trainers and in the broader context of cosmetology licenses across the states. While acknowledging that certification may not eliminate poor training practices, they argue that it can significantly uplift the professionalism and the reputation of horse trainers in the industry. 

Tune in for thought provoking conversation that challenges the status quo and discusses practical steps to enhance credibility within the equestrian community. 

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SPECIAL EPISODE: SCOPE ON THE ROAD--USEF Judge Mike Rosser, Horse Show Manager and Course Designer Patrick Rodes and the Saturday Horse Show Wrap Up.29 Jun 202500:15:23

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Karen and Jen are on location in Raeford NC for the NCHJA Annual Horse Show. We've got the show day wrap up and so much more! USEF Judge Mike Rosser talks about some of his biggest pet peeves when he's officiating. Horse Show Manager and Course Designer Patrick Rodes discusses the many hats he wears, as well as the merits of more traditional style horse shows. And Karen caught up with Emily Grace Swinson, winner of the 2025 Bryan Jones Adult Medal Finals. 

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SPECIAL EPISODE: SCOPE ON THE ROAD--North Carolina Hunter Jumper Association Annual Horse Show Thursday/Friday Wrap Up!28 Jun 202500:12:30

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Karen and Jen are on location in Raeford North Carolina covering the 43rd Annual NCHJA Horse Show! We've got interviews with a couple of the big winners from Thursday and Friday; Bridget Hickton and Ashley Lovegrove! Karen assesses the hospitality tent and roasts the winners who dodged the pod. 


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Episode 17: When Riders Move on; Navigating the Client/Trainer Breakup 22 Jun 202500:29:31

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Jen and Karen--an equestrian professional and her former client--tackle the complex emotions and practical steps involved when a rider leaves one barn for another. In this candid conversation, Jen opens up about the ego blow and sense of loss that can accompany losing a client, sharing insights into the professional side of these transitions. Meanwhile, Karen delves into the feelings of anxiety and guilt that often arise when deciding to part ways with a trainer. This episode will resonate with anyone who has lost a client or faced the internal struggle of knowing its time to move on while grappling with loyalty. Jen and Karen offer anecdotes as well as practical advice for navigating the often turbulent waters of barn breakups. 

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Episode 16: A popular TikTok Activist, Discusses the Fight For Horse Welfare in a Bullying Culture15 Jun 202500:38:07

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In this compelling episode, Karen and Jen sit down with TikTok activist Anna Propp, known as theinsidetrack.eq, to delve into her mission of raising awareness about horse welfare through her sometimes controversial videos. Anna shares her journey into activism, explaining how she became passionate about highlighting the inhumane practices in the equine industry while advocating for more humane methods. 

Anna discusses the challenges she faces, including the backlash directed at the professionals she features in her videos. As the episode unfolds, Anna identifies how some other content creators and their methods are hurting the movement. 

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Episode 15. The TRUTH about what it takes to ride for an NCEA/NCAA D1 Equestrian Team, with former head coach, Boo Major08 Jun 202500:25:52

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We don't think you'll find a more honest and informative discussion about what it takes to ride at the NCEA Division 1 level anywhere else!

Boo Major, three time NCEA National Championship winning coach of the University of South Carolina Gamecocks, SPILLS THE TEA about what coaches are looking for in riders' resumes, how lesser known riders can set themselves apart to earn a spot on an NCEA team, and FINALLY...the secret to getting your recruitment video noticed. If you or someone you know has NCEA aspirations...you're going to want to listen to this episode twice.

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Episode 14. Equestrian Athletes. SMART goals require honest trainer/client communication. Or, Setting Goals like the boss that you are.01 Jun 202500:19:47

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Karen and Jen discuss the importance of setting S.M.A.R.T. goals and why open and honest dialogue between trainers and clients is crucial to achieving these goals. Karen and Jen offer some unique insights into their own discussions regarding budgets, time commitments and when and why to pivot when it comes to goals. Whether you are the parent to an equestrian kid, you are a rider yourself or even if you are a trainer, this episode is a must listen. 

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Episode 13. Equestrian Sports. Barn Culture and the Horse Show Social Scene, with Lifestyle Influencer and Horse Show mom, Katherine Robinson25 May 202500:24:16

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We take a deep dive into barn norms when it comes to VIP Tents, tack room tailgate parties and dinners out at horse shows. Katherine Robinson, former barn mom in Jen's barn and current lifestyle influencer, drops by the studio to weigh in. We hit all the burning topics including, what happens when not everyone buys into the barn culture, who pays the trainers' bill when the whole barn goes out to dinner, how tailgating might be the key to making equestrian sports mainstream and a whole lot more! Subscribe to The Scope Podcast on www.patreon.com for more exclusive content including a video tutorial for a horse show tailgate ready dip  and an easy floral arrangement that will accentuate every horse show setup.

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Episode 12. Rider wellness. "We gotta do something." In the wake of tragedy, a North Carolina Trainer said this to her client and friend Kevin McKirahan. Fifteen months later, with his help, USHJA is offering members an affordable healthcare option.18 May 202500:22:23

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In September 2024, North Carolina Trainer Beverly Burnette lost a dear friend. A few weeks later, born from the tragedy, Kevin and Alex McKirahan gained a passion project that could change the lives of many USHJA members. This week, their hard work finally paid off as the USHJA announced that AllyHealth is now offered to members at every level for a significantly reduced price. Kevin joined Karen and Jen to discuss the inspiration for the project and the details of what will now be available through the USHJA.

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Episode 11. Equestrian Sports. A former member of the USEF Hearing Panel, Andrew Ellis, discusses the USEF rule violation system and social media whistle blowers.11 May 202500:26:18

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Andrew Ellis, horse show manager, paddock master and former member of the USEF Hearing Panel, talks about the strengths and weaknesses of the USEF rule violation system, the responsibility we all share to protect our equine partners and the integrity of our sport and how social media whistle blowers fit into the equation.

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Episode 10. Rider Fitness. Dan Austin, NCEA Equestrian strength and conditioning coach and power lifting world record holder.05 May 202500:17:06

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Dan Austin discusses a typical workout week for the equestrian athletes he coaches, how he got into coaching equestrians, his experience in the saddle and how he helps his team tap into the athlete mindset. Whether you have NCEA aspirations or are just looking for some tips to get fit for the show ring, you don't want to miss this episode!

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Episode 33: Left Behind—Balancing Client Expectations and Life on the Road18 Oct 202500:21:38

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Join Karen and Jen as they dive into the complexities of balancing client needs with the demands of life on the road. In this insightful episode, they explore the challenges faced by busy trainers who are frequently away at horse shows, leaving some clients behind. 

What happens when a trainer can't be there for every lesson? Should they find a substitute instructor to step in, and if so, how should pricing be handled? Jen and Karen discuss the expectations of clients left at home, the pressures trainers face upon returning, and the delicate balance of maintaining relationships while ensuring all clients feel valued. 

Is patience a virtue, or should clients consider seeking out another trainer if they feel neglected? Tune in as they navigate these tough questions, share personal stories, and offer practical advice for both trainers and clients in the equestrian world. Whether you're a trainer juggling multiple commitments or a client feeling the weight of waiting, this episode is packed with insights to help you find your way forward.

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Episode 9. Equestrian Athletes. Hunter Kay discusses why his high school hurdling career never got off the ground, working for famed trainers and dog rescuers Danny and Ron, and a potential pickleball partnership with Karen.27 Apr 202500:20:56

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Hunter Kay confirmed that he is one of the top young professional riders on the East Coast by clenching the High Score Developing Rider Award during WCHR Week at the Winter Equestrian Festival this year. Hunter joins Karen and Jen in the studio to discuss his fitness routine, how barn workouts could help riders stay motivated and why swimming might be his next sport. 

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Episode 8. Rider Wellness. Sports Dietician Kristen Ziesmer discusses fueling riders' bodies for optimal performance on horse show days and training days. Spoiler alert; charcuterie boards and hard seltzers are not enough.20 Apr 202500:25:51

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Kristen Ziesmer, MS, RD, CSSD, LD, specializes in helping athletes reach their full potential with proper nutrition. She joins Karen and Jen to discuss macronutrients, hydration, and what to eat on show days, even if you're one of those people who says "I can't eat before I ride." Still wanting more after this episode? Tune into Kristen's show, Female Sports Nutrition Podcast or find her at elitenutritionandperformance.com

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Episode 7. Rider wellness. Psychologist Rhea Merck discusses competition anxiety, parental pressure, coaching styles and Karen's boiled peanut trauma.13 Apr 202500:29:53

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Licensed clinical psychologist and author, Rhea Merck has worked with student athletes for over a decade. She joins Karen and Jen in the studio to discuss the techniques she has used over the years to help equestrians reach their full potential in the show ring. 

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Episode 6. Equestrian Sports. Are the new competition pre-requisites for USEF Licensed Hunter/Equitation Judges really in the best interest of the sport??06 Apr 202500:23:04

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Karen and Jen discuss a new USEF Rule that requires Licensed Hunter/Equitation Judges to have shown or trained a competitor at 3' for a 'r' rating and 3'6" for a 'R' rating. Is this inline with the judging criteria of other subjective sports? What impact could this rule have on the accessibility and fan appeal of the sport? Listen to find out what we think!

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Episode 5. Equestrian Athletes. Maria Falgione talks athleticism, work/life balance and how the current Houston Texans Strength Coach helped her career as a jockey.30 Mar 202500:22:13

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Our first guest to the studio does not disappoint! Maria Falgione is a former NCAA Equestrian, stage and screen actress and professional jockey. She helped found Synutra Equine, maker of Synchill, and the sister company, Alexsyn, which has reworked some of Synutra's best selling products into human supplements. 

A true equestrian athlete, Falgione credits her former strength and conditioning coach, Pat Moorer, with helping establish the habits that have made her successful in sports and business.  

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Episode 4. Equestrian Sports. Karl vs. McLain, the feud we've been waiting for. 23 Mar 202500:18:11

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Okay okay, we know we're a little late on this one, but we just had to discuss it...a real sports beef between equestrians Karl Cook and McLain Ward, that got keyboards clattering for a few weeks this winter. This heated debate got the whole hunter/jumper community talking, and of course, we have opinions. 

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Episode 3. What you need to work out with the Scope17 Mar 202500:13:59

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Karen and Jen discuss what you need to get started with the Scope Workout; from apparel to equipment, and even some items you can find around the barn that will work in a pinch. 

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Episode 2. From Newbie to Elite Athlete; How to work out with Scope17 Mar 202500:13:57

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Karen and Jen discuss how often to work out and what you should be working on. You'll learn more about the Scope Workouts, including how they can be used on their own or as a supplement to an existing workout plan. 

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Episode 1. Welcome to Scope, Meet Karen and Jen 14 Mar 202500:11:08
Episode 32: Bridging the Gap--Appreciation For Equestrian Professionals and Amateur Clients12 Oct 202500:32:59

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Before they get to the episode Karen and Jen begin with a hilarious exchange about a potential guest; Xavier Legette, horse lover, wide receiver for the Carolina Panthers Football team and former South Carolina Gamecock. X, have your people call our people! 

Now on to the show…

Building on their previous discussion about the tensions between equestrian professionals and amateur clients, Karen and Jen shift the focus to the positive aspects that unite them.

Listen in as they explore what professionals truly appreciate about horses, the sport, and the rewarding career paths they've chosen.

The hosts also tackle practical solutions for avoiding conflicts between individuals in the equestrian community. They discuss effective communication strategies and proactive approaches that can lead to more long lasting relationships. Moreover, Jen and Karen emphasize the importance of mutual appreciation and empathy. They offer tips on how professionals can express gratitude to their clients and vice versa, even discussing discounts, and gifts. 

Whether you're a rider, trainer, parent, or simply an equestrian enthusiast, this episode is packed with valuable insights and heartfelt discussions that celebrate the bond between professionals, clients and horses. Tune in to discover how to strengthen these relationships and enhance your equestrian experience!

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Episode 31: The Great Divide—Discontent Between Equestrian Professionals and Amateur Clients 05 Oct 202500:21:03

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In this thought-provoking episode, hosts Jen, a seasoned horse trainer and rider, and Karen, a devoted horse show parent and former client of Jen's, delve into the complex relationship between professional horse people and their amateur clients. They tackle the often contentious divide that exists in the equestrian world, exploring the feelings of elitism that some professionals exude and the frustrations that arise from clients feeling sidelined in their horse’s training and care.

Karen introduces key topics that frequently spark discord, such as the high costs associated with equestrian sports.  She shares her own experiences, highlighting the resentment some clients feel towards the time professionals spend in the barn, fostering a sense of separation between the two groups. 

Jen candidly acknowledges these feelings and offers her perspective, expressing her own frustrations regarding how some clients interact with professionals. As the conversation unfolds, both hosts realize that the key to overcoming these challenges lies in establishing clear boundaries, fostering honest communication, and encouraging open dialogue. 

Join Jen and Karen for an engaging discussion that aims to foster understanding and collaboration in the equestrian community, bridging the gap between professionals and amateurs for a more harmonious experience for all involved.

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Episode 30: Pain, Pressure & Partying—A Recipe for A Circuit Addiction25 Sep 202500:35:27

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In this powerful episode, Jen and Karen sit down with Andrew Ellis, an equestrian known for his roles as a horse show manager, announcer, and starter. Andrew shares his gripping story of resilience and recovery following a devastating riding accident at the age of 13 that not only changed the course of his life but also set him on a path of addiction.

As Andrew recounts his journey, he opens up about how the accident led to a long hospital stay and the emotional turmoil that followed, which he sought to cope with through food. For Andrew, food became his "gateway drug," leading to chronic pain, obesity, and a battle with pain pill addiction that spiraled into a full-blown crisis by the age of 40. Despite his struggles, Andrew's charisma and outlandish behavior made him popular in social settings, yet this façade masked a deeper pain and insecurity.

After hitting rock bottom, Andrew sought help, completing a 28-day rehabilitation program that marked the beginning of his ongoing journey to sobriety. Now, over a decade later, he remains committed to his recovery, attending AA meetings even after long days at horse shows. 

Join us as we delve into Andrew's inspiring story, exploring the unique challenges faced by those in the equestrian community who may be battling addiction in silence. We discuss the importance of awareness, support, and open dialogue, shedding light on how fellow equestrians can play a pivotal role in encouraging those in need to seek help. This episode is a heartfelt reminder that no one is alone in their struggles, and recovery is a journey worth taking.

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Episode 29: Save the Tire Kicking for the Car Lot, And Other Horse Buying Do's and Don'ts 21 Sep 202500:22:09

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Join Karen and Jen for an insightful episode that dives deep into the world of horse sales. With Jen drawing on her experience in selling and buying horses as well as opinions collected from other trainers, she sheds light on the common pitfalls and unprofessional behaviors that potential buyers often exhibit--like "kicking tires,' failing to follow up after a trial, or riding a horse for too long despite knowing it's not the right fit. 

Karen, bringing her perspective as a parent who has navigated the leasing and buying of multiple horses for her children, responds with her own list of do's and don'ts. Together they explore the nuances of buyer etiquette and share practical advice for making the horse buying experience smoother and more respectful for everyone involved. Tune in for a fun, informative discussion that promises to elevate your understanding of the equestrian marketplace. 

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Episode 28: Dressed to impress--The Pressure of Perfection in Equestrian Sports14 Sep 202500:36:05

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In this thought-provoking episode, Jen and Karen dive deep into the whirlwind of controversy sparked by Jen's recent statements. Last week, Jen suggested that trainers should have a say in their riders' attire for the show ring and the social media images they share. The commentary ignited a firestorm of reactions from listeners, many voicing concerns that Jen's views may contribute to the already overwhelming pressure to present a perfect image in the equestrian world. 

Using social media comments as a springboard, Jen and Karen explore the multifaceted reasons behind the intense pressure faced by riders. They dissect the the technical demands of the sport, the significant financial investment required, and the pervasive influence of social media in shaping perceptions. The discussion also addresses the unwritten rule that emotions should remain concealed in the competitive arena, leading to a culture that often prioritizes appearances over authenticity. 

Join Karen and Jen as they navigate these complex themes, offering insights and personal anecdotes that shed light on the challenges equestrians face today. Whether you are a rider, a parent, or simply an equestrian enthusiast, this episode will resonate with anyone grappling with the balancing act of passion, performance, and the pursuit of perfection in the world of horses. 

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Episode 27: From Swanky Scrim Sheets to Sponsored Soirees, How Your Barn's Brand is Everyone's Business07 Sep 202500:26:31

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Karen and Jen discuss the often overlooked role of clients in shaping a barn's brand. They explore the intricate relationship between branding and client expectations, from the necessity of custom tack trunks and horse clothes, to the financial contributions for horse show exhibitors parties. 

Tune in to hear how a rider's attire in the show ring not only reflects personal style but also serves as a visual extension of the barns brand. The conversation highlights the importance of social media in today's equestrian world and how adhering to a barn's full service or DIY culture is an important part of communicating the brand. 

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Episode 37: Boarder Beware? Barn Rules That Range from Reasonable to Red Flags 🚩14 Nov 202500:23:33

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**Want to see the red flags in all of their glory? This episode is also available on The Scope Podcast’s YouTube Channel!!**

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Join hosts Jen, a seasoned horse trainer and rider, and Karen, a dedicated horse show parent and one of Jen's former clients, for a thought-provoking episode of The Scope Podcast! In this entertaining new segment, "Red Flag, Green Flag, or Pink Flag," the duo dives into some controversial practices in Equestrian Sports. 

This week, Jen will present various rules and policies that horse owners might encounter, from how barns handle farrier and vet payments to their feeding practices and accessibility. Jen and Karen will weigh in on whether these practices raise alarm bells (red flags), signal safety and quality (green flags), or warrant a cautious approach (pink flags). 

🔗 Don’t forget to subscribe and leave a review! Let us know your thoughts on the flags we discuss and share your own experiences in the horse community. 

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Episode 38: We Didn't Make a Cent on This Gift Guide So You Should Definitely Trust Us. And Our Naughty And Nice Lists. 23 Nov 202500:33:48

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'Tis the season! Karen and Jen have made their lists and checked them twice...listen to find out who has been naughty and who has been nice!

Also, Karen and Jen discuss great gifts for clients and sweet surprises for trainers--and even get some help from Adriane Potter of The Tack Room in Camden South Carolina. You won't want to miss any of the recommendations! 

Websites and Coupon Codes below:

The Tack Room

www.tackroomonline.com

Use code SCOPE10 for 10% off

Weather Or Not Equestrian

www.wonequestrian.com

Waterproof, Chemical free breeches!! Get them now before they are gone! 

Use code SCOPE for free shipping and a FREE WON t-shirt

Happy Horse Coffee

Delicious Small Batch Coffee roasted in the Carolinas! 

www.happyhorse.coffee

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Episode 39: The Customer is Always Right...Even If They Wave Red Flags? 🚩30 Nov 202500:21:44

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Join hosts Jen, a seasoned professional horse trainer and rider, and Karen, a dedicated horse show parent and former client of Jen's, as they dive into the fascinating world of horse training and client relationships in this week’s episode. 

In a fun and insightful game they call “Red Flag, Green Flag, Pink Flag,” Jen presents various scenarios to Karen, who helps determine whether each situation is a red flag (a serious concern), a green flag (a positive indicator), or a pink flag (somewhat concerning but requiring more information). 

This week, they're focusing on potential red flags that clients might display when “interviewing” a new trainer or barn. Tune in as they explore examples like:

- Clients who frequently change trainers or barns (the infamous barn hoppers)
- Enthusiastic clients eager to showcase their horse knowledge
- Those with extensive wardrobes for their horses or an overwhelming number of supplements

Whether you're a trainer, a client, or just a horse enthusiast, this episode is packed with valuable insights to help you navigate the trainer-client dynamic. Don’t miss it!

🎧 **Listen now and discover how to spot the flags that could impact your equestrian journey!**

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Episode 40: Roll On--Tales and Tips from an Equine Relocation Specialist07 Dec 202500:22:01

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In this episode of *The Scope Podcast*, Jen Barker dives into the world of equine transportation with a special guest, her brother, John Barker an experienced truck driver and self-proclaimed "equine relocation specialist" for Johnson Horse Transportation. 

Join Jen and John as they explore the ins and outs of shipping horses, sharing invaluable insights for horse owners looking to prepare their animals and equipment for a smooth transport experience. John candidly reveals the essential things he wishes every client knew about his job, including common practices that can complicate the process, such as using blankets with leg straps.

Listeners will benefit from John's expert tips on planning routes and navigating horse show entrances and exits to ensure a user-friendly experience. Whether you're a seasoned horse owner or new to transporting equines, this episode is packed with practical advice and personal anecdotes that shed light on the complexities of horse transportation. Tune in for an enlightening conversation that will help you and your horses travel with ease! 

Don't miss this opportunity to learn from the best in the business and ensure your next horse shipping experience is a success!

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Episode 41: Is AI Smarter Than a Horse Trainer?14 Dec 202500:27:37

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Join hosts Karen Tanner and Jen Barker in this exciting episode of the **Scope Podcast**, where they dive into some of the most common questions Jen receives as a horse trainer. 

In this episode:

- **Karen** poses typical inquiries like “How much does a Junior Hunter cost?” and “How do I teach my horse to change leads?”
- **Jen** shares her insights and experiences from the world of equestrian sports, providing practical advice and tips for listeners.
- The duo then turns to ChatGPT for answers to the same questions, sparking a lively discussion on the differences between human expertise and AI-generated responses.

Will Jen's answers hold up against the AI's? Tune in to find out if ChatGPT agrees with her insights or if the hosts have a few surprises in store!

Whether you’re a seasoned equestrian or just curious about the world of horses, this episode is packed with valuable information and engaging conversation. Don’t miss it! 

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Episode 43: Why The German Riding Instructor Thinks American Equestrianism is All Wrong28 Dec 202500:33:23

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Join cohosts Karen and Jen in this exciting episode as they sit down with Ronny Reimer,  known online as The German Riding Instructor. Ronny shares his unique insights into the newly formed United Dressage and Jumping Club (UDJC) and his unofficial title as the “ultra supporter.” 

Dive into a rich discussion about how European equestrians cultivate a community-centered atmosphere at horse shows.  

Listen in as he describes how, as co-founder of the Local Champions Tour, he’s using the European equestrian model to help make the sport more accessible for Americans.

Finally Ronny touches on the professional wrestling career that initially brought him to The United States.

Ronnie’s passion for the equestrian world provides valuable lessons for riders and enthusiasts alike. Tune in for an enlightening conversation that bridges cultures and celebrates the love of horses!

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Episode 42: Ask Us Anything--But We Can't Promise You'll Like Our Answers21 Dec 202500:28:21

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### Scope Podcast - Listener Q&A

In this engaging episode of the Scope Podcast, hosts Karen and Jen dive into an array of listener questions that cover essential topics in the equestrian world. 

- **OTTBs vs. Warmbloods:** Tune in as they discuss the pros and cons of Off-the-Track Thoroughbreds vs. warmbloods. 
  
- **Decline in Horsemanship:** Karen and Jen explore some possible reasons behind  the perceived decline in horsemanship skills. 

- **Professional vs. Amateur Riders:** The hosts analyze  discuss when and why professional riders compete against amateurs and juniors. 

- **Best Age to Start Riding:** Karen and Jen share insights on the ideal age for young equestrians to start their riding journey, offering advice for parents and aspiring riders alike.

Join us for a thoughtful discussion that promises to enlighten and inspire equestrians of all levels! Don't miss out on this opportunity to gain insights from experienced riders who are passionate about the sport.

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Episode 44: Redefining Relationships—Is it Possible to be a Student AND a Client? 04 Jan 202600:21:06

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In this thought-provoking episode of *The Scope Podcast*, hosts Karen Tanner and Jen Barker take a closer look at a compelling statement made by their recent guest, Ronny Riemer, the esteemed German riding instructor. Ronny stirred the pot with his assertion that he doesn’t have clients—he has students—and emphasized that his primary concern lies not in the happiness of these individuals, but rather in the care of their horses and his role as an exceptional athletic coach.

As Karen and Jen delve into this provocative viewpoint, they explore the implications of Ronny's philosophy. While they resonate with the idea that the well-being of the horse should be paramount, they also highlight the complexities of the instructor-student relationship. In this episode, they discuss scenarios where the dynamics shift, and the student’s role as a paying client becomes significant. How can one balance the rigorous demands of training with the need for emotional support and satisfaction?

Listeners can expect an engaging dialogue that invites them to reflect on their own experiences in the equestrian world, considering the multifaceted roles that instructors and students play. Tune in for a nuanced discussion that challenges traditional notions of client relationships in sports coaching, all while keeping the horses' best interests at heart. 

Join Karen and Jen for this enlightening conversation that promises to expand your understanding of the equestrian coaching landscape!

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Episode 45: New Year, New Goals—Five Essential Resolutions for Equestrians11 Jan 202600:16:53

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As we step into the new year, it's the perfect time for equestrians to reflect and set intentions that will elevate their riding experience and horse care practices. In this episode, we delve into five transformative New Year’s resolutions tailored specifically for horse lovers. 

1. **Purge, Clean, and Repair Equipment and Tack**: Learn the importance of starting fresh by decluttering your tack room or tack trunk. We’ll discuss how regular maintenance can extend the life of your gear and enhance safety.

2. **Establish an Organizational System**: Discover effective strategies for organizing your equipment and supplies. A well-structured space can streamline your routine and reduce stress during busy days.

3. **Make a Plan for Horse Shows and Lesson Schedules**: Planning ahead is key! Create a comprehensive schedule for lessons and shows, ensuring you and your horse are always prepared for success.

4. **Reevaluate Your Budget**: Financial transparency is essential. We discuss evaluating costs, budgeting for horse care, and strategizing for upcoming horse shows.

5. **Refocus on Horsemanship Practices**: Finally, we’ll dive into the heart of horsemanship. We’ll encourage listeners to reassess their care routines and develop a year-long plan for their horse’s well-being.

Join us as we set the stage for a year of growth, organization, and enhanced equestrian practices. Whether you’re a seasoned rider or just starting, these resolutions will help you and your horse thrive in the coming year!

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Episode 47: The UC Davis Shakeup--A Stark Warning for NCEA Equestrian Teams 25 Jan 202600:22:40

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In this sure-to-be controversial episode of *The Scope Podcast*, hosts Karen Tanner and Jen Barker explore the intricacies of Title IX and its implications for equestrian sports, alongside the recent downgrade of the UC Davis equestrian team from a Division 1 varsity sport to a club sport. With heartfelt sympathy for the affected athletes, they express hopes for the team’s future while emphasizing the need for other Division 1 equestrian teams to recognize this shift as a warning signal.

The conversation delves into the financial challenges facing equestrian programs, specifically when compared to other sports such as Stunt—a fast paced women’s sport that is derived from cheerleading.  Jen suggests that teams need to take the initiative in funding themselves, while Karen passionately counters that the responsibility shouldn't rest on coaches and riders. As tensions rise, Jen introduces an innovative funding model that focuses on raising money through horse development rather than traditional monetary donations, which Karen finds intriguing.

This multifaceted conversation sets the groundwork for the next episode, where they will address how to make the NCAA equestrian format more spectator-friendly.

Join Karen and Jen for a captivating dialogue that not only examines the current landscape of collegiate equestrian sports but also paves the way for future discussions on equity and sustainability in the sport!

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Episode 46: Sound Decisions--Navigating The "Extras" in Equestrian Care19 Jan 202600:19:56

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In this thought-provoking episode of *The Scope* podcast, hosts Karen Tanner and Jen Barker dive into the nuanced world of equine care, exploring the fine line between effective horsemanship and an overwhelming reliance on excessive services. As trends like massage therapy, cryotherapy, and various supplements gain popularity, the duo questions whether these treatments are truly necessary for every horse.

Karen and Jen tackle the implications of this shift, pondering if the rise of "extra" treatments is creating barriers to entry in equestrian sports, making them less accessible to aspiring riders and enthusiasts. They assert that no amount of therapy or veterinary intervention can make a horse suitable for a job if it isn't inherently fit for the task at hand.

The conversation also highlights the concept of being "serviceably sound"—the idea that a horse can be imperfect yet still capable and happy in its role. With fewer horses now being classified as serviceably sound, the landscape is shifting towards unrealistic standards, where horses are either deemed perfect or considered unusable. This shift not only affects how we view horses but also contributes to rising prices in the equine market.

Join Karen and Jen as they challenge the norms, encouraging listeners to rethink what it means to provide quality care while ensuring that equestrian sports remain inclusive and accessible for all.

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