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On her birthday, Whitney had to be carried into an MRI.

The next day came a phone call with good news and bad news. What followed would leave a personal trainer unable to trust the body she had spent years teaching others to strengthen.

Today, Whitney wants people to see the version of her that rides, hikes, speaks publicly, and refuses to let MS define what she can still do.

She calls her Strong Whitney.

But there is another Whitney she is far less willing to show.

What happens when being seen as strong becomes almost as important as actually feeling strong?

Donate to Whitney's I Ride with MS: Bike MS Fundraiser
https://events.nationalmssociety.org/participants/806581?referrer=mf%3A806581%3Ayou-copy&language=en

Karen listened as strangers described what MS was doing to their bodies. The details sounded familiar. Too familiar.

For the next month, she told herself she was imagining it. The first neurologist gave her an easier answer. Then another doctor confirmed the one she had been trying not to believe.

Karen decided MS would not beat her. But beneath that determination are three days she rarely lets anyone see, a fear she has never left behind, and a question that cuts deeper than any diagnosis:

What happens when the person who always took care of everyone else becomes the one who needs help?

Donate to Karen's MS fundraiser:
https://events.nationalmssociety.org/participants/816829

Brandon Deen knows what it feels like to be asked, "How are you?" without anyone truly wanting the answer. Diagnosed with multiple sclerosis while already living with PTSD and depression, he found himself navigating not only a chronic illness, but the loneliness of feeling unheard.

In this episode of The Other Side of MS, Brandon reflects on what happens when people show up for the diagnosis but disappear during the journey. He talks openly about mental health, military service, relationships, advocacy, and the difference between someone listening and someone truly hearing you.

This is a conversation about isolation, finding your voice, and why one simple question, "How are you?" can mean everything when someone is willing to stay for the answer.

Support Brandon's Bike MS NYC Fundraiser:
If Brandon's story resonated with you, consider supporting his Bike MS NYC fundraising efforts. Every donation helps advance research, advocacy, and programs for people living with multiple sclerosis.

Support Brandon's Bike MS NYC Fundraiser

For months, Bridget Longnecker was told her symptoms were anxiety, hormones, or postpartum depression. Meanwhile, she was losing vision, mobility, speech, and trust in herself.

In this episode of The Other Side of MS, Bridget shares the reality of searching for answers while being repeatedly dismissed by healthcare providers, the psychological toll of being told it's all in your head, and the moment she finally received the diagnosis that changed everything.

The conversation explores fear, motherhood, invisible illness, self-doubt, and what happens when you begin questioning your own reality because nobody else seems willing to believe it.

Bridget also opens up about the lasting emotional impact of MS, the uncertainty that still follows her today, and why stability doesn't always mean feeling safe inside your own body.

This is a conversation about trust, credibility, and the hidden psychological weight of living with a disease that many people never fully see.

Support Resource:
If Bridget's perspective on navigating uncertainty, chronic illness, and mental health resonated with you, and you're in the New Port Richey, Florida area seeking support, you can learn more about her counseling practice at:

https://compasscounselingandwellness.com/

People tell Bill Mooney he handles MS well. But what happens when everyone sees the resilience and almost nobody sees the fear, exhaustion, and uncertainty underneath it?

In this episode, Bill talks about the parts of multiple sclerosis that rarely make it into fundraising speeches, awareness campaigns, or everyday conversations. The pressure to stay positive. The fear that never completely leaves. The emotional cost of explaining an invisible disease.

This is a conversation about what people celebrate, what they miss, and what it really means to live with MS when the crowd goes home.

Support Bill's Mission:
If Bill's story resonated with you, consider supporting his Walk MS fundraising efforts. Every donation helps advance research, advocacy, and programs for people living with MS.

Support Bill's Walk MS Fundraiser Now

Dr. Mary Hughes has spent decades treating multiple sclerosis, researching it, advocating around it, and helping shape the future of MS care.

But long before MS became her professional focus, it became personal.

Two of her sisters were diagnosed with the disease nearly thirty years apart, forcing Dr. Hughes to live in the uncomfortable space between neurologist and sister, between clinical expertise and the reality that sometimes even the expert cannot protect the people she loves.

In this episode of The Other Side of MS, Dr. Hughes reflects on what those diagnoses changed inside her, how they shaped the direction of her career, and the emotional tension of spending a lifetime helping families navigate a disease she still cannot fully control herself.

The conversation also explores the racial disparities that existed for decades in MS diagnosis and care, including the long-held belief that African Americans rarely developed MS. Dr. Hughes discusses how those assumptions delayed diagnoses, limited access to treatment, and forced difficult conversations inside both medicine and advocacy organizations.

Dr. Hughes completed her internship and neurology residency at Emory University and later trained in Electrophysiology at the Medical College of Georgia. She founded the Augusta MS Center in 2002 and later served as Division Chair for Neurology at Greenville Health System, where she helped expand neurological care and develop curriculum for the system's medical school.

From 2008 to 2019, she served on the National MS Society Board of Trustees and chaired the African American Advisory Committee. She was inducted into the National Multiple Sclerosis Society Health Professionals Volunteer Hall of Fame in 2015 and continues to advocate for greater access to care, clinical trials, and patient education through her work at Premier Neurology.

This is a conversation about medicine, family, advocacy, uncertainty, and what happens when your life's work becomes inseparable from the people you love.

Support the Mission:
If you would like to support the mission of the National MS Society, you can support one of the individuals who ride for MS at https://www.theothersideofms.com/about-bike-ms. They ride for MS. Your donation fuels the mission.

Rachael has seen multiple sclerosis from more than one angle.

Her husband lives with it. So do other members of her family. Over time, what she thought she understood about MS has changed in ways she didn't expect.

In this conversation, Rachael talks about what MS actually looks like inside a marriage. The parts you don't see. The things that don't get said. What happens when one person is "house planting" and the other is trying to understand how to respond.

They talk about communication, frustration, and the quiet ways both people hold things back to protect each other.

Rachael also shares what changed when she faced her own autoimmune diagnosis, and how that shifted the way she understood what her husband had been carrying all along.

This is not a story about inspiration. It's about learning how to live inside something you didn't choose, together.

Rachael Fenich serves as the Executive Director of the Georgia Chapter of the National Multiple Sclerosis Society.

Helpful Links

• Donate to the Bike MS Georgia Ride
• Learn more about the Bike MS Passport Program
• Join Bike MS. Find a Ride Near You

Mark Morabito looked at his wife in a hospital room and told her she could leave.

He had just been diagnosed with MS.

And in his mind, he already knew how it would end.

In this episode, Mark doesn't hold back. He talks about growing up watching his mom live with MS, believing it was a slow decline you couldn't escape. He shares the fear of becoming her, the regret of what he wishes he had known sooner, and the moment everything shifted.

We push on the idea of "mind over matter."

Because for some, that mindset feels empowering.

For others, it feels like a lie.

This is not a clean story.

It's tension, contradiction, and truth in real time.

What does it mean to fight a disease you can't control?

And where is the line between strength and reality?

Listen in.

Support Mark in Walk MS: https://events.nationalmssociety.org/participants/890235

"Some days are tougher than others." Justin Yuhaze was diagnosed with MS just days before the birth of his second daughter. In this episode, he talks about the months that followed, the symptoms he tried to hide, the depression he did not always want to name, and the moments that pushed him toward deeper conversations instead of avoiding them. Justin also shares what it has meant to raise two daughters who have only ever known him with MS and the choices he makes to stay active and present in their lives.

Donate to Justin's Bike MS Fundraiser: Justin is riding in Bike MS: City to Shore Ride 2026 as the team captain of Muggles on a Mission. Help him reach his goal of raising $5,000 for the National MS Society. Support his fundraiser here: https://events.nationalmssociety.org/participants/784914

"People will abandon you. They will come up with whatever they need to justify it."
Tyler was diagnosed with primary progressive MS in 2013, and the impact reshaped every part of his life. His marriage ended, relationships shifted, and the identity he built as a Division I athlete began to fall away.

In this episode, Tyler talks about nine years of denial, the people who stepped back when MS became too heavy for them to hold, and the isolation that comes from realizing you do not get MS alone. He also shares what it is like to have two young daughters who now listen closely when an Ocrevus commercial comes on, trying to understand what the medication might mean for their dad.

This is not a story about silver linings. This is a story about truth.

This is the MS story people are not ready for. And that is exactly why you need to hear it.

Tiffany opens up about the diagnosis that broke her plans, the marriage that had to be rebuilt, the faith that almost collapsed, and the moment she hit the floor and wondered if her family would be better off without her.

This is not a polished MS story. This is the real one.

Official Website:
https://www.tiffanyavinson.com

TikTok:
 https://www.tiktok.com/@tiffanyavinson

In this Season 4 premiere, clinician and MS patient Selena shares her powerful story of navigating multiple sclerosis from both sides of care. She opens up about the early symptoms she hid, the fear and uncertainty of diagnosis, the grief of losing her former self, and the daily reality behind the phrase "no two days are alike."

Listeners will hear what MS looks like through the eyes of a medical provider, how cycling and community support her healing, and why talking openly about the "new normal" is essential for anyone living with MS. This episode offers real insight, real emotion, and a rare dual perspective you won't hear anywhere else.

Explore Selena's podcast, MS Wired:
https://linktr.ee/mswired.podcast

Explore Selena's MS Fundraisers:

• Bike MS: Breakaway to the Keys 2026:
  https://events.nationalmssociety.org/participants/Selena-Buongiorno-BikeMS2026
• Walk MS: West Palm Beach 2026:
  https://events.nationalmssociety.org/participants/766159

Running Into MS with Ursula Forrester

Ursula has always been a runner - marathons, half-marathons, and miles that measured more than distance. But in October 2014, after years of unexplained symptoms, she was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. Suddenly, endurance meant something entirely different.

She is a wife, a mother of two, and a professional in advertising who still chooses to see the glass half full. But behind that optimism lies the daily reality of MS modifying, compensating, and sometimes surrendering to the fatigue that doesn't show up on finish line photos. Ursula and her family created the Mill Chill, a local race that has raised more than $150,000 for the MS Society, and in 2023 they added Bike MS to their journey, forming Team Mighty Strong.

In this episode, Ursula reflects on running marathons, building a community through fundraising, and what it really means to balance resilience with honesty. Her story is not just about crossing finish lines, but about redefining what strength looks like when MS becomes part of the course.

This isn't just a runner's story. It's about family, identity, and the power of creating a movement bigger than yourself.

You too can make a difference, please donate to Ursula's MS Fundraiser: https://events.nationalmssociety.org/participant/620535

Steve: From Trauma Nurse to MS Warrior

Steve was 30 years old, working as a travel nurse in Idaho, when numbness crept up his leg and refused to go away. A ski accident had rattled his body, but what scans revealed was something else entirely: lesions on his brain and spine. In 2002, Steve entered a world he had once only witnessed from the other side of the hospital bed, the world of multiple sclerosis.

As a trauma nurse, Steve knew the language of medicine. But living it was different. He walked away from graduate school, leaned on his family in Colorado, and began reshaping his life around the uncertainty of MS. Over the years, he has worked across ERs, ICUs, and trauma centers, all while navigating his own invisible symptoms and treatments. He's also become a force in the MS community, leading a Bike MS team that has raised over $1 Million for research and support.

In this episode, Steve reflects on what it means to live on both sides of the diagnosis, as the nurse who explains and the patient who endures. He shares the fear, the gratitude, and the hard choices MS demands, as well as the quiet resilience of a man who calls himself "one of the lucky ones."

This isn't just a story about MS. It's a story about medicine, identity, and the power of showing up for a community when you don't have to, but choose to anyway.

What Strength Really Looks Like

Brad was diagnosed with MS at 45. Now 64, he's a speaker, a cyclist, and a face of strength for others living with the disease. But behind the workouts, the travel, and the public optimism is a more complex truth—one that doesn't always fit into a social media caption or a feel-good campaign.

In this episode, Brad sits down for a different kind of conversation. One that doesn't ask him to inspire, perform, or push through. Instead, we talk about the days he can't move. The pressure to keep showing up. The identity that forms around always being the strong one—and what happens when that strength runs out.

We talk about guilt, body betrayal, and the silent fear of losing momentum. And we ask the questions that rarely get asked: Who sees you when the cape comes off? Are you helping others because it heals you—or because you don't know how to stop?

This isn't about overcoming. It's about truth. And sometimes, the bravest thing you can do is admit how much it hurts.

Brad's Website: https://romptocurems.net/

School Dan - I do What I Can, When I Can, While I Can

Dan has been a teacher for over 20 years, a school spirit leader, a cyclist, and a quiet force in his Florida community. His energy is infectious. His optimism is constant. But behind the vibrant classroom persona is a man living with relentless, invisible pain—and the pressure to never let it show.

In this episode, Dan opens up about how MS has shaped every part of his identity, from the walking stick he once felt ashamed of to the pride that makes asking for help harder than it should be. He talks about the dual realities of living with a disease that makes him stronger while slowly wearing him down. And he shares the emotional cost of performing "School Dan" when "Real Dan" is quietly falling apart.

This is a story about vulnerability, not victory. About a man who shows up every day with humor, grit, and quiet dignity—even when it hurts. And a reminder that being strong doesn't mean pretending you're fine. Sometimes it just means telling the truth.

Teresa, Jax Bourbon Social: The Power Behind the Pour and MS

Teresa Eichner is more than the co-founder of Jax Bourbon Social—she's the relentless force behind one of Jacksonville's most impactful fundraising events for the National MS Society. After a sudden MS diagnosis in 2016, Teresa's world shifted. But instead of retreating, she channeled her decades of experience in PR and politics into advocacy, community-building, and bold visibility.

In this raw, deeply honest conversation, Teresa opens up about the private cost of public recognition, the invisible weight of fatigue, and what it really means to be the "well-spoken face" of MS. We talk about her diagnosis story—one of the fastest we've heard on this show—and how it unexpectedly brought her full circle to the MS Society. She also shares what it's like to carry her symptoms quietly through a packed, sold-out fundraiser… all while smiling, organizing, and holding a DeWalt fan like it's her fourth child.

We also ask a harder question: do glamorized events risk minimizing the brutal reality of MS? Teresa doesn't flinch. And neither do we.

Whether you're here for bourbon, boldness, or the bare truth—this one stays with you.

🎟️ Learn more or support the mission:
https://www.jaxbourbonsocial.com/event-details

One Rider, One Team, One Million Dollars — Curtis's Story

Curtis was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in his twenties. What began as fear quickly turned into action. A chance connection to a support group sparked the creation of Team CCC — a cycling team that would go on to raise nearly $1 million for MS research and support. With every mile, Curtis has redefined what leadership looks like in the face of a chronic illness.

In this episode, Curtis reflects on the moment a fellow rider convinced him to try Bike MS, the early days of hiding his diagnosis, and how polka dot jerseys became a symbol of visibility and community. From forming a nonprofit to building a virtual cycling presence on Zwift, his story is one of purpose, persistence, and the power of showing up.

This is not just a story about reaching a milestone. It's about choosing to turn a diagnosis into momentum — and inspiring others to do the same.

Help Curtis and Team CCC cross the $1 million finish line.
Donate now — 100% of proceeds support the National MS Society

S3_E15: At 17, Emma Thought Her Life Was Over

Emma Archuletta, from Utah, was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 2019 at just 17 years old. One day, she was preparing for high school graduation. The next, she was sleeping 20 hours a day, vomiting without explanation, and using a wheelchair. There was no slow decline—only confusion, fear, and the quiet thought that her life might already be over.

In this episode, Emma talks candidly about the chaos of her early diagnosis: missing senior prom, crawling up stairs, and finishing school from a hospital bed while juggling college-level coursework. She shares how her body became unfamiliar, how people questioned her because she "looked fine," and how she built a dating rulebook to protect herself from rejection.

Now an elementary school teacher, Emma reflects on what it means to pursue a dream career while managing invisible symptoms. We talk about the fatigue that threatens her work, the cost of treatment, and the moments she's chosen to live boldly—through surfing, snowboarding, and refusing to let MS define her.

This is not a story of triumph. It's a story of persistence. A story of living with the unknown, and refusing to let it decide who you get to be.

The Art of Becoming — Hannah Garrison's Story

Hannah Garrison was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 2017, but her journey started long before that; in the silence of being dismissed, the guilt of cultural and religious expectations, and the quiet ache of never quite feeling seen.

In this raw and intimate conversation, Hannah shares how MS forced her to confront not only her body, but her identity. We talk about the years she was misdiagnosed, the weight of family history with mental illness, and the internal battle between acceptance and perceived weakness. Through her art, Hannah found a place to be fully herself... messy, brilliant, and unfiltered.

We explore the clash between generational mindsets, the emotional toll of being "the sensitive one," and what it really costs to make peace with a future others want you to fight. This is not a story of inspiration. It's a story of truth, survival, and the kind of healing that begins when you stop trying to be who everyone else needs you to be.

If you've ever felt unseen, unheard, or quietly breaking — this episode is for you.

Hanna's Art:

• https://hannahbananashop.clued.xyz
• http://Www.hgarrisonart.com

W.T.F., I Have MS? — Chris Brown's Story

Content Warning: This episode contains discussion of depression, alcohol misuse, and suicidal thoughts, which may be distressing for some listeners.

Just three months after being diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, Chris Brown sits down with us to talk about the weight of a life that hasn't let up. He's faced childhood trauma, infertility, the loss of triplets, depression, and addiction. And now, MS.

In this conversation, Chris shares what it's like to process a life-changing diagnosis in real time. He speaks openly about fear, identity, fatherhood, and the quiet exhaustion of always having to adapt. He also talks about the choice to speak up, even when the path forward is still uncertain.

"If by hearing my story, it gives someone some hope… I feel like I have an obligation to do that." — Chris Brown

This episode is not about closure. It's about what it looks like in the middle of the storm.

Chris' MS Fundraiser: https://events.nationalmssociety.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=donordrive.participant&participantID=741869

Content Warning: This episode contains discussion of childhood trauma, depression, and suicidal ideation, which may be distressing for some listeners.

What happens when you spend your life holding it all together—only to realize it's been breaking you inside?

In this powerful episode, Allie Schmidl shares what it meant to live in silence after her 2022 MS diagnosis—buried beneath shame, fear, and the weight of a lifetime of unspoken trauma. But MS wasn't the only battle she was fighting.

We talk about the weight of vulnerability, the fear of being seen as broken, and what happens when even your body starts telling the story you've tried to silence. Allie opens up about surviving divorce, the ache of parental abandonment, and the quiet devastation of feeling invisible in your own pain.

"I was beating myself up a little bit over how I got to where I am… I felt like this was my fault." — Allie Schmidl

But this isn't just a story of darkness—it's one of reckoning, healing, and choosing to be heard.

If you've ever felt unseen, unheard, or afraid no one would stay if they knew the truth—this episode is for you.

Before MS, Susie Wyss's body was her job — a fitness instructor, powered by movement and strength. Then one morning, everything stopped. She woke up unable to walk. What followed was a long, painful journey through misdiagnosis, grief, and a complete redefinition of identity.

In this episode, Susie opens up about the moment she felt like a stranger in her own body, the invisible symptoms that linger even now, and the hard truth about how others see her — or don't. We talk about the guilt of looking "normal," the ache of feeling misunderstood, and what it really means to fight for hope when your body won't cooperate.

Susie didn't just build herself back — she built a 44-member Bike MS team that's raised nearly $100,000. But this isn't a story about fundraising. It's about rebuilding. About letting go of who you were. About choosing to lead anyway.

Will Anthony Talk MS - A Podcast about Perseverance and Positivity

Before MS, Will Anthony built a life behind the chair — salon owner, jingle writer, entrepreneur. But MS didn't just take his livelihood; it tested his faith, reshaped his identity, and led him to a new calling.

Diagnosed in 2008 after two years of believing he'd had a stroke, Will faced a reality he couldn't pray or push away. And yet, he didn't fold. In this episode, we talk about what it means to be a "positive person" when positivity isn't always enough. We explore faith as an anchor — not a shield — and how Will's relationship with God deepened through diagnosis, isolation, and loss.

Will is now an MS Ambassador out of Cleveland, Ohio, and the host of his own podcast, Will Anthony Talk MS, where he creates space for others to share their truth. His story is one of vulnerability, resilience, and spiritual clarity.

He doesn't charge MS a dime for the empathy it never gave him — he offers it freely, just as he does in this episode.

🎧 Listen to Will Anthony Talk MS on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WilliamSteward-m7y

Troy Mitchell spent 22 years as a U.S. Marine Corps officer—leading combat units, earning a doctorate, teaching graduate school, and chasing the next finish line.

Then came progressive MS. The goals changed. The gear changed. The silence got louder.

In this episode, Troy opens up about what it means to lose function but still lead, to be admired for your story while feeling invisible in your truth, and to carry the weight of independence when asking for help feels like failure. He talks about the collapse of his marriage, the conversations he doesn't have with his son, and why pain in a combat zone was easier than pain that comes for no reason at all.

We cover the kind of ground that doesn't fit in a résumé — the terrain of identity, masculinity, MS, and what it means to build a future from a life that's already unraveled.

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🚴‍♂️ Support Troy's MS fundraiser: He's riding in the Bluegrass Bourbon Ride to raise money for MS research and support.

Donate here:
 https://events.nationalmssociety.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=donate.participant&participantID=595746

Katie Heckert: mother, former litigator, top fundraiser—and MS warrior.

What happens when a sharp legal mind faces a disease that refuses to follow rules? In this episode of The Other Side of MS, Katie Heckert shares what it's like to live with multiple sclerosis after having to step away from her career in litigation—not by choice, but by necessity.

She opens up about the relentless ache, the misdiagnoses, the frustration of being dismissed—and the resilience required to keep showing up as a mother, a wife, and a powerful voice in the MS fundraising community. Katie doesn't sugarcoat her journey. But she doesn't let it silence her either.

If you've ever wondered what MS really feels like—or what strength sounds like when it has nothing left to prove—this conversation is for you.

💛 If Katie's story moves you, please consider supporting her personal Bike MS fundraiser for the PGA Tour: Bike to the Shore ride. Click here to donate directly. 100% of contributions go to the National MS Society.

As mentioned on the podcast: 

First Descents is a nonprofit organization that provides life-changing outdoor adventures for young adults impacted by serious health conditions, including cancer and multiple sclerosis. Their programs are specifically designed for people aged 18 to 39 (though they also have offerings for healthcare workers and older adults), and focus on using adventure-based experiences—like rock climbing, kayaking, and surfing—to build community, confidence, and emotional healing.

Most people wouldn't expect a veterinarian to be deeply involved in the MS community—but that's exactly what makes Dr. Deanna "Dee" Greer's story worth hearing.

Dr. Dee, owner and Medical Director of Birch Island Veterinary Center in Jacksonville, Florida, has spent her career listening to those who can't speak—animals in pain, suffering in silence. But it's her personal connection through her husband's former spouse, who lives with MS, that led her to become an annual donor to the National Multiple Sclerosis Society.

Her sponsorship of this episode isn't advertising. It's personal. Her contributions go directly to the MS Society—not this podcast—and her story is a reminder that compassion doesn't have to come from shared diagnosis. Sometimes, it's a choice.

In this episode, we also explore the science of empathy through the lens of veterinary medicine, including Dr. Dee's reflections on the book Compassionomics, which examines how just 15 seconds of human connection can change clinical outcomes.

To learn more—or to match Dr. Dee's generosity with a donation of your own—visit www.bike-ms.com and click the "Donate" button. 100% of all funds go directly to the National MS Society.

In this powerful episode of The Other Side of MS, Cori — a mother, advocate, and MS warrior — opens up about the grief, faith, anger, and invisible struggles that come with living two decades with multiple sclerosis.

She shares how her perspective has evolved over the years, the lessons her children are learning by watching her fight, and the moments she's felt abandoned — by her body, by faith, and by those who just "don't get it."

Cori doesn't sugarcoat the truth. She talks about the exhaustion of constantly having to explain herself, the vulnerability of visible disability, and the heartbreak of being seen only as a diagnosis.

If you've ever felt unseen in your MS journey — or want to understand what it really feels like — this is the conversation we need to have.

💬 Support Cori's Walk MS Fundraising in Fort Wayne, Indiana:
Click here to donate or learn more

In this episode, we sit down with Zohra — a Korean and Algerian, first-generation American woman living with MS — to talk about the truth that doesn't fit in a brochure.

This isn't a highlight reel. It's what it feels like to be praised for your strength while silently drowning in exhaustion. It's the fear that if you open up, they'll just call it complaining. It's what happens when your body starts forcing you to step down from leadership—and you have no say in it.

Zohra has spent nearly two decades in education. She understands what empathy is supposed to look like—and what it feels like when it's withheld. From the night she met the MS community for the first time in a piano bar… to the moments she keeps spare clothes at work in case her body won't cooperate… Zohra doesn't hold back.

This is the side of MS we don't talk about enough. The invisible weight. The slow losses. The kids who notice more than adults. The humor that saves us.

If you've ever had to smile through something unspeakable—this episode will feel like a hand on your shoulder.

Moved by Zohra's story?

Diagnosed with MS on her 10th wedding anniversary, Pam Grimes has spent the last three decades not just living with the disease—but showing up anyway. From raising three young kids while adapting to life in a wheelchair, to turning her entire neighborhood into a grassroots fundraising walk, Pam's story is one of quiet resilience, fierce love, and unwavering purpose.

She doesn't call herself a hero. But after listening to this conversation, you just might.

Pam also creates hand-embossed greeting cards—thoughtfully designed, dry embossed by hand, and bundled to raise funds for the National MS Society.

📬 Text Pam at 812-236-6233 to order 5 cards for a $25 donation. Every dollar supports MS research and services through the National MS Society.

She's also hosting her own version of Walk MS on April 12th in her Indiana neighborhood—an inspiring local effort that brings friends, family, and neighbors together for a cause that's deeply personal.

Want to support Pam's MS fundraising? Text her directly to learn how you can donate or participate in this powerful community event.

What happens when your body betrays you—but you still show up like nothing's wrong? In this unforgettable episode of The Other Side of MS, host Casey Murphy sits down with Becca, a Nashville nonprofit leader, yoga-lover, and corporate change maker who's lived the invisible chaos of MS for the past two years.

But this isn't your average "inspiring story."

Becca talks about the diagnosis she never saw coming, the moments that broke her, and the parts of MS no one wants to say out loud—including how it's reshaped her identity, her sex life, and her relationship with herself.

She shares what it's like to run meetings while quietly negotiating with her bladder, why "you're so strong" can feel like a slap, and what she would say if MS were a person sitting in front of her.

If you've ever wondered what resilience really looks like—or felt alone in your struggle—this episode will stay with you long after it ends.

🎙 Tap in. Listen close. You won't forget Becca's story.

🎁 Support Becca's Bike MS fundraiser:
https://events.nationalmssociety.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=donate.participant&participantID=620049

A masterclass in storytelling and emotional depth, this episode of The Other Side of MS featuring Amber is a raw, unfiltered look at the realities of living with multiple sclerosis. Host Casey Murphy expertly guides the conversation, creating an environment where Amber shares her truth in a way that is both deeply personal and universally relatable.

The episode doesn't just scratch the surface—it dives into the emotional complexities of **motherhood, resilience, and the unseen battles of MS**. Amber's honesty, paired with Casey's ability to ask the tough, thought-provoking questions, makes for an unforgettable conversation. This discussion is as powerful as it is necessary, challenging the listener to rethink their understanding of chronic illness and the human spirit.

What sets this episode apart is its balance—there's vulnerability, but also strength; hardship, but also hope. And just when you think you know where the conversation is going, it takes a turn that forces both Amber and the audience to reflect on the deeper layers of **what it means to adapt, to fight, and to redefine true strength.**

This isn't just another MS story—this is a conversation that will stay with you long after the episode ends. A must-listen for anyone who wants to understand MS beyond the diagnosis, beyond the medical jargon, and straight into the heart of what it means to live with it.

🌍 Amber's Mission: We Are Illmatic Amber is a major supporter of We Are Illmatic, a movement dedicated to empowering those living with MS through awareness, advocacy, and community support. Focused on breaking stigmas and amplifying diverse voices in the MS space, We Are Illmatic serves as a powerful platform for education and inspiration.

📸 Follow Amber: Instagram: @weareillmatic

💰 Support Amber's MS Fundraising:

• 👉 Donate to Team Illmatic
• 👉 Donate to Amber's Personal Fundraiser

Welcome to Season 3 of The Other Side of MS podcast! In this episode, host Casey Murphy sits down with Jasmine Hanna, who was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis at 25.

Jasmine shares her raw and unfiltered story—from the terrifying first signs of MS to the daily realities of living with an unpredictable disease. Through resilience and advocacy, she has transformed her diagnosis into a mission to support others, connect with the MS community, and raise awareness through Bike MS.

This conversation explores the unseen struggles, the victories, and the unwavering determination that defines life with MS. Tune in for an inspiring discussion that redefines what it means to live boldly with a chronic illness.

In this inspiring episode of 'The Other Side of MS', Casey Murphy sits down with Carmen Lucia Gonzalez, a remarkable chef, author, and advocate who has been living with multiple sclerosis since her diagnosis at the age of 17. Carmen shares her powerful story of resilience, from overcoming childhood trauma to navigating the challenges of MS while pursuing a successful career in the culinary arts.

Carmen's culinary journey has taken her through Michelin-starred kitchens, where she honed her skills before transitioning to developing allergy-friendly menus that continue to impact thousands of children today. Her book, Allergy Menus, Recipes, and Techniques, is a testament to her expertise and her passion for creating inclusive culinary experiences. Despite the obstacles she faces, Carmen continues to thrive, raising awareness about both multiple sclerosis and food allergies with a spirit of determination and hope.

This episode delves deep into Carmen's life, exploring her courage, adaptability, and the lessons she's learned along the way. It's a must-listen for anyone seeking inspiration from someone who refuses to let MS define her.

Order her book on Amazon: Allergy Menus, Recipes, and Techniques

Join host Casey Murphy on 'The Other Side of MS' as we dive into a powerful and uplifting story of a relentless individual whose journey with multiple sclerosis inspires many. This episode features heartfelt interviews and testimonies from friends, family, and community members who celebrate our special guest's strength and determination.

Listen in to discover who our 'beacon of inspiration' is and witness a story that exemplifies courage, community, and the unwavering dream of a world free from MS. Don't miss this touching tribute that showcases true heroism and the impact one person can have on many.

To learn more about Karyn, please listen to her episode S2 / E7

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Join host Casey Murphy on 'The Other Side of MS' as we delve into the inspiring journey of Joanne and Eric. Diagnosed with multiple sclerosis 16 years ago, Joanne's story is a testament to resilience, faith, and determination, supported unwaveringly by her husband Eric. As a passionate advocate and cyclist for Bike MS, Eric has raised significant funds for MS research. Together, they share their experiences, the challenges of living with MS, and the strength of their community. Listen in for heartfelt interviews, valuable insights, and the powerful message of hope and advocacy for a world free of MS.

In this deeply moving episode of 'The Other Side of MS', Casey Murphy engages in a heartfelt conversation with Kim, a source of inspiration and motivation for the Bike MS cause. Kim, who has been battling multiple sclerosis since her diagnosis shortly after high school, shares the profound impact of the disease on her life—from abrupt symptoms leading to severe physical challenges to the eventual stabilization of her condition through relentless determination and medical intervention.

Kim's journey is a powerful narrative of resilience, underscored by her marriage to Jim, who has been an unwavering support through the peaks and valleys of her MS journey. She reflects on the abrupt onset of her symptoms, the challenges of navigating life with a disability, and her commitment to advocacy and support for others facing similar battles. Kim's story is not just about the struggles; it's about the joys and triumphs, the strength of relationships, and the enduring hope for a cure. This episode encapsulates the spirit of those fighting MS, making it an essential listen for anyone touched by the disease or involved in the quest for its cure.

In this episode of 'The Other Side of MS', we are joined by the remarkable Daisy, who shares her deeply personal journey with multiple sclerosis (MS), which began in her early childhood. From her initial denial and fear of the diagnosis to embracing her challenges head-on, Daisy's story is one of courage and resilience. Despite the daunting relapses and the isolation felt from her peers and educators, she has risen above to advocate for understanding and support for those living with MS. Now pursuing a degree in communications, Daisy aims to be a voice for the disabled community, championing change and fostering hope. Her narrative isn't just about the struggles of living with MS but also about finding strength in adversity and the importance of community support. This episode is a testament to the human spirit's capacity to overcome and inspire, making it a must-listen for anyone seeking a dose of real-world courage and inspiration.

In the inaugural episode of 'The Other Side of MS', we talk with Dr. Vanessa Marion Collazo, a neurologist specializing in multiple sclerosis. Dr. Vanessa discusses the nature and types of MS, her journey into the field, and the ways she supports patients and caregivers. The episode also delves into the personal and societal impacts of the disease and offers valuable resources and advice for those affected by MS. Learn more about the complexities of MS and the latest advancements in treatment, along with heartfelt insights into the caregiving experience.

In this episode of 'The Other Side of MS', we talk with Leo Kreisel, a Navy veteran and devoted spouse of Heidi, the president of the North Florida chapter of the MS Society. Leo shares his experiences from his 24-year naval career, his supportive role within the MS Society, and his insights on managing both personal and professional sacrifices. Throughout the conversation, Leo reflects on his approach to volunteering, his admiration for Heidi's work, and the vital importance of community in dealing with MS. Highlights include Leo's thoughts on emotional resilience, family dynamics, and addressing misconceptions surrounding MS.

In this episode of 'The Other Side of MS', we talk with Shannon Abney, who was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 2006. Shannon shares her journey of navigating life with MS, from initial symptoms and misdiagnoses to finding the right treatment and support. Despite experiencing severe pain and challenges like trigeminal neuralgia, Shannon discusses her resilience, the support from her family, and her involvement in Bike MS. The episode underscores the importance of community, advocacy, and understanding in the fight against MS.

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In this heartfelt episode, Maddie, a second-grade teacher and single mom, shares her inspiring journey of living with multiple sclerosis (MS) since her diagnosis right before her 21st birthday. Maddie recounts how she transitioned from nursing school to teaching and managed the challenges of MS while still living a fulfilling life. She touches on the support she's received from friends and family, the significance of the Bike MS events where she found strength and community, and how she balances being a parent with the demands of MS. Drawing from her experiences, Maddie offers insights into setting personal boundaries, dealing with misconceptions, and maintaining a positive outlook despite her condition.

In this powerful episode of The Other Side of MS, we honor Linda Bushong-Reid — the extraordinary woman behind the Big Bananas Cycling Team, which has raised nearly $1.7 million for the National MS Society.

Alongside her husband Bruce, Linda has spent over a decade leading one of the top fundraising teams in the country — with relentless dedication, creative vision, and an unwavering heart for the cause. Known for her humility, strength, and quiet leadership, Linda proves that impact doesn't always need a microphone to be heard.

This conversation takes you behind the scenes of the Bananas' incredible legacy, from 150-mile bike rides to the annual silent auction that's become a community institution.

Hosted by: The Big Bananas Cycling Team

Date: Monday, May 5, 2025

Time: 5:30 p.m. – 8:30 p.m.

Location: Mr. Chubby's Wings, 150 Valley Circle, Ponte Vedra Beach, FL

Over 250 incredible items from local merchants, restaurants, artists, and service providers — plus a 50/50 drawing! 100% of proceeds benefit the National Multiple Sclerosis Society, North Florida Chapter.

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• Linda's evolution from rider to leader of a nationally recognized fundraising team.
• The origins of the Big Bananas and their nearly $1.7 million raised for MS research and support.
• Creative fundraising methods that blend joy, purpose, and community impact.
• Personal reflections on what drives Linda to keep going — and why she won't stop until there's a cure.

Get ready for an electrifying journey as we delve into the world of Bike MS with three dynamic National MS Society heroes! In this episode, Erika from the majestic mountains of Colorado, Sydney from the sunny beaches of Florida, and Ashley from the historic landscapes of Virginia, open up about the magic and mayhem behind organizing these monumental rides. Experience the powerful stories, personal connections, and unique regional flavors that make each Bike MS event a life-changing adventure. From overcoming obstacles to celebrating victories, our guests share their heartfelt passion for creating a world without MS. Whether you're a dedicated cyclist, an enthusiastic supporter, or simply curious, this episode will captivate and inspire you to join the movement. Hop on and ride with us as we pedal towards a future free from multiple sclerosis!

Join us for a special bonus episode of "The Other Side of MS," captured live amidst the exhilarating energy of the Bike MS Colorado event on June 29th and 30th. This unique installment features raw, brief interviews with four inspiring individuals directly from the route—sounds of the ride and all. Our guests include both "I Ride with MS" cyclists and supporters whose lives have been touched by MS, sharing their compelling reasons for riding and the impact of their efforts.

First, we meet Meg Stenson McCormick, a ten-time participant riding in memory of her late husband. Next, Andi Lewis discusses the significant personal and community support fueling his ride. Joey Maestas shares his emotional connection to the event, riding for both a family member and a friend's father who passed away during last year's ride. Finally, Gretchen Mitterer, a veteran of the MS community, reflects on the evolution of MS treatments and the powerful sense of community at these events.

Though each interview lasts only between 1-3 minutes, their stories are profound—highlighting the strength, hope, and solidarity of the MS community. Tune in to hear these voices of courage, resonating with the spirit of Bike MS and the collective stride towards a cure

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Resilience and Transformation: Deanna's Journey with MS

Explore the inspiring journey of Deanna, a long-time MS warrior whose life was reshaped by her diagnosis. From her early days as a competitive diver to confronting the life-altering challenges of MS while raising young children, Deanna's story unfolds as a remarkable testament to resilience and transformation.

Discover how cycling brought rejuvenation to her life, the profound impact of community support, and the vital role of humor in navigating her darkest moments. This episode offers a deep dive into living fully despite chronic illness, providing hope and valuable insights for anyone affected by MS or interested in the resilience of the human spirit.

Navigating Life's Challenges: Schone's Journey with MS

In this heartfelt episode, we dive into the life of Schone, a biracial woman, single mother, and proud member of the LGBTQ+ community, who was diagnosed with MS in 2022.

Schone's journey is a testament to resilience and adaptability. From managing her MS symptoms to navigating her various identities, Schone opens up about the complexities and strengths that define her. She discusses her daily life, the emotional challenges of caregiving, and how she maintains a positive outlook despite the obstacles she faces.

Through candid conversations, Schone sheds light on the misconceptions and biases she encounters and shares her strategies for staying strong for herself and her daughter. This episode is a powerful reminder that while everyone's journey with MS is unique, the shared goal remains the same: to make MS a thing of the past.

Join us for an inspiring and eye-opening discussion that amplifies the voices of those living with MS and the communities that support them. Together, let's work towards a world where MS is nothing but a part of history.

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Curtis's Determined Path: Transforming an MS Diagnosis into a Mission

Join us as we explore the extraordinary journey of Curt, who turned his MS diagnosis into a powerful force for change. Discover how Curt's determination and passion led him to raise nearly $1 million for MS research through his team, CCC. From overcoming fears and misconceptions to building a vibrant community of support, Curt's story is a testament to resilience and hope.

Tune in to hear heartfelt conversations, unexpected twists, and the relentless spirit that drives us all towards a world free from MS. Don't miss this episode – it's a story that will motivate and uplift you!

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Debbie Hamm, an MS advocate whose story is woven with threads of joy, challenge, love, and loss. As Debbie opens up about her life's tapestry, she shares poignant memories and heartfelt anecdotes that highlight her resilience and unwavering spirit. From her unexpected diagnosis shortly after the birth of her third child to her inspiring journey as a top fundraiser for MS, Debbie's narrative is a testament to the power of human connection and the indomitable will to make a difference.

Listeners will be deeply moved by Debbie's account of meeting Danielle, a fellow MS warrior whose legacy she promised to carry forward. The emotional weight of fulfilling this promise and the profound connections Debbie has formed along the way create a narrative that is both inspiring and heart-wrenching. Debbie's story is a powerful reminder that while MS may disrupt the body's internal connections, it cannot sever the meaningful relationships and communities that provide strength and support.

Tune in to hear how Debbie's advocacy has not only shaped her own life but has also had a lasting impact on those she meets. This episode is a celebration of courage, community, and the relentless pursuit of momentum in the face of adversity.

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Find an Integrative Health Practitioner

Get ready for a fun and insightful episode as we dive into the world of integrative medicine with Megan Weigel. Megan is a vibrant nurse practitioner and the founder of First Coast Integrative Medicine, bringing over 23 years of expertise in neurology and MS care.

In this episode, Megan takes us on her journey from conventional neurology to becoming a trailblazer in holistic health. She reveals how blending Eastern and Western medical practices can offer a comprehensive approach to managing multiple sclerosis. Learn about the latest research on anti-inflammatory diets, discover innovative lifestyle changes, and hear how Megan collaborates with other healthcare professionals to provide the best care for her patients.

But wait, there's more! Megan is also an avid cyclist with Team Spanish Beer, riding in Bike MS events to raise funds and awareness. Her passion for life and dedication to service shine through in every story she shares.

Join us for an engaging and enlightening conversation that challenges conventional thinking and showcases the transformative power of integrative medicine. Don't miss this special episode with the incredible Megan Weigel!