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The Other 22 Hours
Michaela Anne, Aaron Shafer-Haiss
Fréquence : 1 épisode/8j. Total Éps: 151

An exploration of the creative life, lived in the in-between.
A sanctuary for the creative spirit in a results-obsessed world.
Moving beyond the highlight reel, hosts and working musicians Aaron Shafer-Haiss and Michaela Anne facilitate intimate, artist-to-artist conversations with renowned musicians, authors, visual artists and actors about the grit required to sustain a life in the arts. From navigating doubt to finding stillness, this is the reality of the work. Unfiltered.
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James Victore on radical integrity, questioning authority, and getting paid $20,000 to shut up.
Épisode 142
mercredi 25 mars 2026 • Durée 46:14
James Victore is an Emmy Award-winning artist and author whose work is held in the permanent collection of the Louvre and has been exhibited many times at MoMA (NYC). Victore has shaped the visual language of institutions from 'The New York Times' to the City of New York. In this conversation, we explore the spiritual gravity of "staying in the pool" when creativity gets hard, discuss the incubation time of the soul, the environmental and creative toll of our want of ease, and the quiet, daily discipline of living consciously in a world designed to keep us asleep.
In This Episode:
- James Victore
- Museum of Natural History NYC
- Mr Doodle
- Keith Haring
- Museum of Modern Art (MoMA)
- ‘A League of Their Own’
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- Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube.
- Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists.
- Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram.
The Hosts:
The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach).
- More about Aaron’s work.
- More about Michaela Anne’s work.
Credits:
Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.
S.G. Goodman on scarcity mindset, manual labor, and the art of letting go.
Épisode 141
mercredi 18 mars 2026 • Durée 48:38
Singer-songwriter S.G. Goodman has earned critical acclaim, award nominations, and has worked with legends like Tyler Childers, Jason Isbell, and Jim James of My Morning Jacket. In this episode, we discuss the grueling physical and mental requirements of "making it." From working manual labor to stay afloat while not on the road to navigating the complex realities of running a bona fide business, S.G. opens up about scarcity, OCD, and the hard-won wisdom of learning to drive the lawnmower instead of letting it drive you.
In This Episode:
Go Deeper:
- Watch: View this entire conversation on YouTube.
- Explore: Find similar conversations in these themed playlists.
- Connect: Join the conversation on Instagram.
The Hosts:
The Other 22 Hours is hosted by Aaron Shafer-Haiss (Producer/Mixer) and Michaela Anne (Songwriter/Creative Coach).
- More about Aaron’s work.
- More about Michaela Anne’s work.
Credits:
Produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Original music written, performed and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss. Part of the Bluegrass Situation Podcast Network.
Kris Delmhorst on invisible work, trusting slow seasons, and the myth of being seen.
Épisode 132
mercredi 26 novembre 2025 • Durée 45:53
Kris Delmhorst has released 12+ records independently and via Signature Sounds, has written/performed and recorded with Mary Gauthier, Lori McKenna, Grant Lee Phillips, Peter Wolf (lead singer of J. Geils Band), and more, is critically acclaimed by The Boston Globe, LA Times, Pop Matters, and all your favorite songwriters, and has written for tv & film, as well as countless festivals all over the world. We talk with Kris about creative cycles, retreating, and the necessity of disappearing to make real art, trusting your career through slow seasons, motherhood versus touring, sustaining a two-songwriter household, reframing art as a service rather than ego, and so much more.
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Links:
- Kris Delmhorst
- Ep 14 - Mark Erelli
- Ep 60 - Lori McKenna
- Ep 26 - Katie Pruitt
- Jeffrey Foucault
- Greg Brown
- Ep 123 - Dave Haus
- Nowhere Else Festival
Click here to watch this conversation on YouTube.
Social Media:
- The Other 22 Hours Instagram
- The Other 22 Hours TikTok
- Michaela Anne Instagram
- Aaron Shafer-Haiss Instagram
All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.
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Robert Ellis on present consciousness, getting back to having fun, and perceptions.
Épisode 42
mercredi 29 novembre 2023 • Durée 01:02:18
Robert Ellis is a singer-songwriter, producer, and multi-instrumentalist who has put out 6 albums both self-released and on New West Records, and having worked on records by Jamestown Revival, White Denim, Khruangbin, Nicole Atkins and others. We chat about the many benefits of mindfulness and being in the present moment, using adversity and tough times to return to having fun creating, parenting and perceptions, sobriety, and just saying f*ck it let's try something new!
Links:
- Robert Ellis
- Niles City Sound
- Sam Harris
- Loch Kelly
- Rabbi Hillel (Hillel the Elder)
- Ep 10 - Joe Pug
- "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" - Robert M. Persig
- Sheryl Crow doc
- "Effortless Mastery" - Kenny Werner
- Cognitive Behavioral Theory
- Tara Brach
- Ep 12 - Leyla McCalla
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Social Media:
All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.
Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.
Samantha Crain on asking questions, self advocacy, and growing in a non-music city.
Épisode 41
mercredi 22 novembre 2023 • Durée 55:45
Samantha Crain has released 8 records, started touring at 19, eventually supporting artists such as The Avett Brothers, Neutral Milk Hotel, Brandi Carlile, Buffy Sainte-Marie, Gregory Alan Isakov, The Mountain Goats, and MANY others, as well as joining First Aid Kit for an appearance on 'Conan', and self-producing many of her own records, as well as records for other artists. We explore the power of asking questions, both as a way to learn more in craft and business and as a means of self-advocacy in business dealings, we talk about the positives and negatives of growing a substantial career in a non-music town (Norman, OK in her instance), the many benefits of a meditation practice, and much more in this wide-ranging conversation.
Links:
- Samantha Crain
- Johanna Samuels
- Ep 22 - Caroline Spence, Erin Rae, Kelsey Waldon, Michaela Anne
- Lucy Rose
- Ep 7 - BJ Barham (American Aquarium)
- Ep 11 - Lucius
- Jon Batiste
- Lori McKenna
- Ramseur Records
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All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.
Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.
John Craigie on the art of storytelling, the optics fallacy, and horticulture.
Épisode 40
mercredi 15 novembre 2023 • Durée 44:39
John Craigie is a singer-songwriter based out of Portland OR but who spent years living on the road, has released 12+ albums, and toured with the likes of Jack Johnson, Gregory Alan Isakov, Shawn Colvin, Sean Hayes and more. Craigie is known for his engaging live show that weaves a hefty dose of storytelling - in the vein of Arlo Gutherie - as well as comedy between his songs, so we send a lot of time talking about the art of storytelling and it's place in a concert, comedy, how he sustains such an intense tour schedule, drawing inspiration from communities of other artists such as painters and architects, debunking the optics fallacy and how finding the right venue for your show is much more powerful.
Links:
- John Craigie
- Maya DeVitry
- Arlo Guthrie
- Seinfeld
- George Carlin
- Lewis Black
- Dane Cook
- Todd Snyder
- Loudon Wainwright
- Ep 3 - The Milk Carton Kids
- Frank Lloyd Wright
- The Louvre
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All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.
Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.
Joe Henry on the creative stream, daily aesthetics, and the musicality of language.
Épisode 39
mercredi 8 novembre 2023 • Durée 01:06:32
Joe Henry is a songwriter, producer, and writer who has released over 15 solo records on labels such as A&M and Anti-, and has produced records for a long list of artists such as Bonnie Raitt, Elvis Costello, Solomon Burke, Allen Toussaint, Rodney Crowell, Aimee Mann, Ani Difranco, Teddy Thompson, John Doe, and more. We have a diverse conversation about keeping yourself in the creative stream, knowing when to step away, acceptance, and much surrounding the Tom Waits quote, "How you do anything is how you do everything."
Links:
- Joe Henry
- Nonesuch Records
- The Bright Mississippi
- Allen Toussaint
- Village Vanguard
- T Bone Burnett
- Ep 16 - Rodney Crowell
- Rodney Crowell Songwriting Camp
- Randy Newman
- Flannery O'Connor
- Eudora Welty
- Nathaniel West
- Experience Music Project
- Meshell Ndegeocello
- Mose Allison
- Mike Reid
- Joe Henry - Scar
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John Doe on embracing your role, identifying ego, and butterfly nets.
Épisode 38
mercredi 1 novembre 2023 • Durée 48:51
John Doe is the co-founder and longtime member of the legendary LA punk band X, he's released numerous solo records, he stars in the recently released film DOA, as well as movies such as Boogie Nights, Roadhouse, Great Balls of Fire, and Brokedown Palace and TV shows such as Roswell, One Tree Hill and Law & Order, and is co-author of the book 'Under the Big Black Sun' with Tom DeSavia, chronicling the LA punk scene. Needless to say we talk about sustaining and foster a diverse set of creative endeavors, identifying ones own ego to make for smoother relationships, embracing your role as a creator and sticking to it, the creative pitfalls of major label deals, longevity, and quite a bit more.
Links:
- John Doe
- X
- DOA (film)
- 'Under The Big Black Sun'
- Exene Cervenka
- The Whisky a Go Go
- The Starwood
- Dave Alvin
- Roswell
- Xponential Fest
- Fugazi
- Adam Ant
- Slash Records
- The Bags
- The Go-Gos
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David Wax Museum on artistic ecosystems, creating in partnership, and pollinators.
Épisode 37
mercredi 25 octobre 2023 • Durée 53:00
David Wax Museum is a critically-acclaimed indie folk band lead by husband/wife duo David Wax and Suz Slezak, who have been praised by NPR, Tiny Desk, the New York Times, Newport Folk, and even had a song featured at Pete Buttigieg's wedding. We talk about how they built and have grown a strong, enduring, grassroots community around their music that helps them remain independent, how and what they've learned about both creating and recharging together and separately as a couple, positive discoveries of the pandemic times that have reshaped their career, mental health and it's impact on their schedules, and creating entire artistic ecosystems.
Links:
- David Wax Museum
- Suz Slezak
- Suz's Substack
- Ep 28 - The Wood Brothers
- The Woes
- Club Passim
- Patreon
- Ep 30 - Duquette Johnston
- Ep 3 - The Milk Carton Kids
- Substack
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Social Media:
All music written, performed, and produced by Aaron Shafer-Haiss.
Become a subscribing member on our Patreon to gain more inside access including exclusive content, workshops, the chance to have your questions answered by our upcoming guests, and more.
Madame Gandhi on quieting self doubt, optimizing for joy, and sampling glaciers.
Épisode 36
mercredi 18 octobre 2023 • Durée 45:14
Madame Gandhi is an incredibly diverse guest: she is an award winning producer, composer, and drummer for M.I.A., a member of Forbes' 30 Under 30, has given several TED talks, has an MBA from Harvard and a Masters in Music Science & Tech from Stanford, and famously ran the 2015 London Marathon while menstruating freely to combat menstrual stigma. We talk about how she tackles both self doubt and imposter syndrome in her many creative endeavors, her concept of optimizing for joy in our passions to foster sustainability, post-show rituals, and so much more.
Links:
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