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Ending Bible Poverty: A New Vision for Discipleship in Africa10 Sep 202500:33:07

In this episode of the Mission Matters Podcast, hosts Matthew Ellison and Ted Esler welcome Dr. Matthew Elliott, President of Oasis International and publisher of the Africa Study Bible. Elliott shares his journey from serving with George Verwer to leading Oasis International, a ministry devoted to contextualizing discipleship resources for Africa. With over 350 contributors from 50 countries, the Africa Study Bible was designed to address the reality that over 80% of pastors in Africa lack formal training and access to solid biblical resources.


Elliott explains how cultural disconnects (e.g. pastors using Western illustrations they’ve never experienced) underscore the urgent need for biblically sound, culturally relevant tools for leaders across the continent.
The conversation explores “Bible poverty,” not merely as a lack of translation into heart languages, but as a growing crisis where millions of students are being taught the Bible in English without access to a physical copy. Elliott challenges the status quo of “toxic Bible charity,” advocating instead for building sustainable, local economic infrastructure that allows Africans to access affordable, printed Bibles. He also reflects on how African theologians and pastors offer the global church vital insights into community, generosity, and a more culturally attuned reading of Scripture. 
The Mission Matters Podcast is a place to talk about the importance of our Mission as Christians. The Mission Matters is a partnership of Missio Nexus and Sixteen:Fifteen, who have a shared passion to mobilize God’s people to be a part of His mission.

Church-Centric Missions vs Agencies: Lessons from the Frontllines27 Aug 202500:44:22

This episode of The Mission Matters podcast features a conversation between Ted Esler, Matthew Ellison, and guest Steve Leston, focusing on the topic of "church-centric missions." The discussion stems from a popular Substack post Ted wrote that ignited dialogue about the role of the local church in global missions.


Steve shares his personal journey, describing his early passion for the church and how his experience in the military shaped his perspective on discipleship and training. He recounts how the church he attended embraced a church-centric model that sought to train, disciple, and send missionaries directly.


This was initially inspiring but later exposed challenges when church leadership transitions and financial issues left missionaries unsupported. Steve started to recognize the vital role that mission agencies play in providing structure, expertise, and sustainability for long-term missionary work.


Both local churches and mission agencies have important, complementary roles in fulfilling the Great Commission. Steve, now at To Every Tribe, explains their intentional approach: partnering with churches so that the church affirms and releases missionaries, while agencies facilitate and support them in the field.


Matthew and Ted reflect on how this partnership approach has matured over the decades, avoiding extremes where either churches or agencies attempt to "own" missions exclusively. They discuss how the complexities of global missions today require both theological clarity and practical expertise, underscoring that missionary sending should be a relational, collaborative endeavor that honors God, supports missionaries well, and recognizes the diverse gifts required to reach unreached peoples.


The Mission Matters Podcast is a place to talk about the importance of our Mission as Christians. The Mission Matters is a partnership of Missio Nexus and Sixteen:Fifteen, who have a shared passion to mobilize God’s people to be a part of His mission.

Faith for the Curious & Urbana '2509 Apr 202500:27:39

How are American Christians thinking about engaging non-Christians in the United States? According to recent Barna research there are 60 to 80 million Americans who don't fit the paradigm that a lot of Christians have about those outside of the church. They are not really hostile to discussions about faith and spirituality and are actually spiritually curious at the right moments.


Join Ted Esler's conversation with Mark Matlock, the Executive Director of the Urbana Student Missions Conference and also author of Faith for the Curious: How an Era of Spiritual Openness Shapes the Way We Live and Help Others Follow Jesus. 
Mark Matlock is a facilitator of innovation and impact, helping organizations adapt to changing times through turning research based insights into action. The founder of WisdomWorks LLC a consultancy helping churches and faith-based organizations leverage their collective wisdom and insight to innovate and adapt in changing times. Mark also works with Barna to assist clients with board training and on-site facilitation of research findings. 
Mark has been an advisor to organizations such as the Seed Company, Youth Specialties, Young Life, Awana, Brotherhood Mutual, Movement.org, BetterMan and has served as a board member of the American Bible Society. 
Mark is the author of more than 20 books for teens and parents, and in 2019 co-authored Faith for Exiles: Five Ways for a New Generation to Follow Jesus in Digital Babylon with Barna Group President David Kinnaman. Having initiated many research projects with Barna over the last two decades related to Next Gen studies, Mark’s research continues to provide insights into emerging generations and how to cultivate faithful disciples.
Mark is an ordained minister, certified LifePLanner, LEGO Serious Play facilitator, and MCORE trainer and coach. Mark is also certified as a HopIn online platform agency. He’s been married for 30 years to his wife Jade. They have two adult children.
The Mission Matters Podcast is a place to talk about the importance of our Mission as Christians. The Mission Matters is a partnership of Missio Nexus and Sixteen:Fifteen, who have a shared passion to mobilize God’s people to be a part of His mission.
https://www.amazon.com/Faith-Curious-Spiritual-Openness-Shapes/dp/0801018714
https://www.urbana.org/

Rediscovering Missions: One Church's Journey26 Mar 202500:32:01

It’s easy to fall into the trap of doing things the same way they've always been done. After fifteen years as the missions pastor of a large church, Larrie Fraley began to reevaluate their missions strategy. He realized that there must be a better way to steward God's resources. What were the pivotal moments in his journey of rediscovering missions, and where does the church stand now? Tune in as Ted and Matthew delve into Larrie's story.
Larrie is Lead Global Outreach Pastor at Christ's Church of the Valley in Peoria, Arizona. Married to Sheila, two daughters, and seven grandchildren, and will celebrate 55 years of marriage in 2025. One of the four founding officers of Christ’s Church of the Valley (CCV), Peoria, Arizona. CCV was founded in April 1982 with over 52,000 in weekend attendance. 
 
Larrie was an executive at Intel Corporation for 19 years as a director in Intel’s Information Technology Division. Responsible for managing Intel's Information Technology Centers around the world.
He's founder and current President of STARS Youth Sports, Inc., which started in 2004, now has over 15,000 youth players annually, with over 1,000 coaches and 45% non-CCV attendees. Also Larrie is founder and past president of Streetlight. Streetlight’s mission is to eradicate child sex slavery. 
 
Larrie is currently a PhD Student at the University of Bucharest and host and producer of the Let's Go 360 podcast. https://www.letsgo360.org/
The Mission Matters Podcast is a place to talk about the importance of our Mission as Christians. The Mission Matters is a partnership of Missio Nexus and Sixteen:Fifteen, who have a shared passion to mobilize God’s people to be a part of His mission.

Pooling Resources, Expanding Reach: A Missions Giving Circle12 Mar 202500:33:45

What happens when a group of ministry- and mission-minded men decide that they want  more than a social gathering and want to change the world? The G6 World Changers in Scottsdale, AZ come together with intentionality - to know each other better as well as each other's passions. One outcome is that they support worthy organizations together through finances and any other gifts members bring to the table. But it's all driven by a passion to be involved in spreading God's word and in sharing the generosity that God gives to us with others. 
Listen in as Ted Esler and Matthew Ellison talk with Bob Smith who unofficially represents the G6 World Changers - a giving circle. Bob gives insight into how the group functions and what types of projects they support. 
Bob Smith is a senior executive, general counsel, strategic advisor, manager and leader of large-scale transactions. A trusted advisor to Boards of Directors and senior corporate leadership teams and a recognized corporate governance expert, he also serves as director on a public company board. His experience spans public company spin-offs, major litigation, significant regulatory strategy, and building high-performing legal teams. 
His ability to deliver outstanding value by providing clear communication, sound advice, and innovative and effective results across the full range of critical business and legal challenges has enriched all his work. As a testament to his reputation for wisdom, he has even advised Congress in the creation of national policy. As Senior Vice President and General Counsel for the Columbia Pipeline Group, Inc. (now TransCanada Corp.), Bob served as a member of the Executive Council and Benefits and Risk Management committees. He was also a member of Columbia’s Foundation and a Board member of Columbia Pipeline Partners, Ltd. (CPPL). 
He serves on the Board of Trustees of the El Faro Ephraim Foundation, which supports training and compassion efforts in Guatemala. He served as the interim president of Global Action from 2017-2018.
The Mission Matters Podcast is a place to talk about the importance of our Mission as Christians. The Mission Matters is a partnership of Missio Nexus and Sixteen:Fifteen, who have a shared passion to mobilize God’s people to be a part of His mission.

Immigration and Asylum: Compassion in the Crisis26 Feb 202500:30:44

How should an American Jesus follower view attempts by other Christians to enter the United States? Immigration is a contentious issue in our politics and culture in 2025.  What should the church's attitude be toward people who are suffering, hurting, and fleeing persecution or even economic challenges? Guest Steve Moore gives his take on the current immigration crisis with Ted Esler in this episode of The Mission Matters.

Steve Moore is the president of nextleader and Hold the Rope. At nexleader Steve gives leadership to a growing network of over 250 coaches who use the Identity Profile Self-Awareness Tool (IPSAT) to help people discover, optimize, and unleash their God-given potential. At Hold the Rope, he leads a startup initiative focused on helping Jesus-followers understand how God is at work around the world, the scope of the task that remains and how anyone can be involved.
From 2006-2015, Steve served as the president and CEO of Missio Nexus, the largest network of Great Commission-oriented evangelicals in North America, representing churches, organizations and training institutions that send missionaries to nearly every country.
Steve has provided leadership for teams serving in Europe, Asia, Africa, South America and the Caribbean. He served on the board of World Relief and on the National Association of Evangelicals for eighteen years.
Steve attended Kingswood University before pursuing graduate studies at Fuller Theological Seminary, where he earned a Master of Arts in Intercultural Studies with a leadership concentration. Kingswood University recognized Steve with a D. Div. in 2012.
He is the author of six book, including The Top 10 Leadership Conversations in the Bible: Practical Insights from Extensive Research on over 1,000 Biblical Leaders, and most recently, Grow Toward Your Dreams: Practical Steps to Discover, Optimize and Unleash Your Potential.Steve and his wife Sherry have four adult children and live near Atlanta, Georgia.http://www.nexleader.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠

https://www.amazon.com/Who-My-Neighbor-Samaritan-Connected/dp/1615217231⁠

The Mission Matters Podcast is a place to talk about the importance of our Mission as Christians. The Mission Matters is a partnership of Missio Nexus and Sixteen:Fifteen, who have a shared passion to mobilize God’s people to be a part of His mission.

Innovation in Church and Missions12 Feb 202500:38:54

Are there unchurched and unreached peoples who might be missed by current methodologies and mindsets? Is innovation in church and missions primarily a process that has to do with ideas/technologies/tools/methods or does it reside in something else that God gifts us with?  Pioneering isn’t easy - the Church needs better pathways to nurture ideas, support innovators, and build collaborative movements for the challenges of our time. Tyler Prieb founded Missional Labs to help bring a startup mentality to individuals and teams working on new projects that go after Great Commission impact.
Join Ted Esler and Matthew Ellison as they engage Tyler on the need for a renewed imagination in our evolving church and missions fields. 
Tyler is the Founder & Executive Director of Missional Labs (https://missionallabs.co/), a venture group investing in the frontiers of 21st-century mission. He was previously Chief of Staff at Church of the City New York in Manhattan, and has worked for multiple leading organizations across church planting, leadership training, entrepreneurship, innovation, and global mission.  He’s worked with leaders in over 50 countries, and was named a young leader for the Lausanne movement in 2016. 


He’s pursuing a Doctor of Missiology (in progress), and holds an MA in Theology (RTS) and a BA in Economics and Humanities (Azusa Pacific University).  His focus is on the intersection of innovation and missiology. 
He loves coffee, reading, and travel, and lives in Nashville with his wife Melany and daughter Penny.
The Mission Matters Podcast is a place to talk about the importance of our Mission as Christians. The Mission Matters is a partnership of Missio Nexus and Sixteen:Fifteen, who have a shared passion to mobilize God’s people to be a part of His mission.

Preparing Missionaries in Higher Education22 Jan 202500:27:53

Research (Dr. Elliot Stephens) has shown that there are three factors that affect attrition on the mission field: interpersonal skills, ministry competency and spiritual formation. Agencies can train for skills, but it's these softer skills that are often neglected at higher levels of Christian education. Ed Scheuerman built his program at Lancaster Bible College largely in response to this research. Listen in as Ted Esler, Matthew Ellison, and Ed Scheuerman discuss trends in higher Christian education as it relates to missions and mentoring the current generation of students. After getting his BA in Philosophy (with an emphasis in Religious Studies) from West Chester University (PA), Ed completed one year of formal Bible training, taking 42 hours of Bible and Missions classes at Tennessee Temple University in 1985. In 1986, he completed his MA in TESL from WCU. In December 2007, he completed his Doctorate of Missiology degree from Biola University. He was ordained by Calvary Bible Church in Hanover, PA. Ed and his wife Carol served with PIONEERS, International, in Southeast Asia for 23 years. They served in China for nearly seven years (starting in 1987), teaching and ministering at a university. Their work was primarily with their students, discipling those who came to faith. They were then based in Hong Kong for four years (1994-1998) as a support link to the in-China team. In 1997, Ed was asked to assume the role of Area Leader for South Asia / Mainland Southeast Asia (shepherding the teams from Vietnam to India). The family relocated to Chiang Mai, Thailand. The Area Leader role was primarily a pastoral role, shepherding church planting teams. While there, Ed also became involved in various member care ministries. In May 2010, Ed was recruited by Lancaster Bible College to be the Coordinator of the Intercultural Studies major. His book, Knowing God to Make Him Known: Living out the Attributes of God Cross-Culturally” was published in 2021 and is used by churches and missions agencies to help train potential missionaries. His passion is to help students find and follow God’s call for their lives in the cause for world missions. The Mission Matters Podcast is a place to talk about the importance of our Mission as Christians. The Mission Matters is a partnership of Missio Nexus and Sixteen:Fifteen, who have a shared passion to mobilize God’s people to be a part of His mission.

Borders and Immigration: Morality and Missions08 Jan 202500:30:03

Immigration is not a new topic, but its place in a global missions worldview comes to the forefront due to politics in the USA. What role does the movement of peoples have in the making of disciples in all nations? Is it Biblical or moral to have borders and to restrict immigration? How should a Christian engage illegal immigrants? Guest Alex Kocman addresses these questions and more in a conversation with Matthew Ellison and Ted Esler in this episode of The Mission Matters. Alex received his M.A. in Media and Communication Studies and B.S. in Biblical Studies through Liberty University. He now serves as Director of Communications and Engagement for ABWE (http://www.abwe.org/), a theologically conservative, church planting missions agency with about 1,000 missionaries reaching nearly 90 countries. Since 2017, he has cohosted The Missions Podcast (https://missionspodcast.com/) with Scott Dunford, interviewing notable guests across the evangelical and missiological worlds. Alex is an author, and his new book, Striving for the Faith: A Journey Through Philippians for Life on Mission (Founders Press), is now available (https://press.founders.org/shop/striving-for-the-faith/) for preorder and slated for release February 2025. He resides with his wife and four children in York, Pennsylvania, where he spends his free time studying theology, weightlifting, and nursing a heavy coffee addiction. He adheres to the 1689 London Baptist Confession and serves as an elder at Faith Bible Fellowship Church, where he leads the missions team and serves as director of communications and worship.

The Marginalization of Missions in Theological Education15 Nov 202400:35:12

In a recent survey (to be published in 2025, stay tuned) of pastors, those with seminary or divinity school degrees were significantly more likely to report passion for those in their community and little toward cross-cultural work or missionaries. Is this the result of a marginalization of missions in theological education? If so, how can seminary education be refined to present missions as worthy of a pastor's or church's passion? Matthew and Ted seek answers with J. D. Payne who serves as professor of Christian Ministry at Samford University.
https://www.jdpayne.org/about/
The Mission Matters Podcast is a place to talk about the importance of our Mission as Christians. The Mission Matters is a partnership of Missio Nexus and Sixteen:Fifteen, who have a shared passion to mobilize God’s people to be a part of His mission.

Managing Risk: Gospel Obedience and Thriving15 Oct 202400:46:32

We cannot be successful in gospel obedience without an element of risk. What is a Biblical theology of risk, and how can mission leaders manage risk so that missionaries thrive in their contexts?  Scott Brawner is co-founder and President of Concilium, a non-profit organization that builds capacity and resilience into Christian missionary orgs. Join Ted, Matthew, and Scott as they discuss risk and the role of the security professional in a ministry organization.
The Mission Matters Podcast is a place to talk about the importance of our Mission as Christians. The Mission Matters is a partnership of Missio Nexus and Sixteen:Fifteen, who have a shared passion to mobilize God’s people to be a part of His mission.
www.concilium.us
Book: Anna Hampton Facing Fear: The Journey to Mature Courage in Risk and Persecution

Neighbors and Nations16 Sep 202400:32:42

There are three billion people with least access to the Gospel. Motivated by this fact, author and mission strategist Jeannie Marie writes and teaches everyday Christians how to share their faith to Muslim and Hindu friends. These least reached are not just around the world -thanks to the diaspora, they are across our street. Join Ted for this conversation with Jeannie as they talk about what the makeup of this diaspora is, how to befriend them, and how the church should engage them. 
Jeannie's book, Across the Street and Around the World: Following Jesus to the Nations in Your Neighborhood...and Beyond and her online courses offer practical training for Christians wanting to engage their neighbors from the nations. Jeannie Marie's online courses:
Inviting Muslims to follow Jesus
Offer Jesus Naturally to Your Neighbors and the Nations 
https://www.jeanniemarieacademy.com/freevideotraining
The Mission Matters Podcast is a place to talk about the importance of our Mission as Christians. The Mission Matters is a partnership of Missio Nexus and Sixteen:Fifteen, who have a shared passion to mobilize God’s people to be a part of His mission.

The Sending Shepherd: Pastors and The Great Commission13 Aug 202500:30:45

In this episode of The Mission Matters podcast, Ted Esler welcomes guests Matthew Ellison and Denny Spitters from Sixteen:Fifteen to discuss their new book, The Sending Shepherd: Leading Churches to Disciple All Nations.


The book emerges from a Barna study commissioned in partnership with Pioneers, which surveyed over 400 U.S. Protestant pastors about their understanding of missions. The results reveal concerning trends: missions is rarely taught or preached, the definition of missions is widely diluted, and there’s a significant disconnect between pastoral passion for the Great Commission and actual church engagement in global missions. The authors argue that pastoral leadership is critical to reversing this decline and sparking a new missions mobilization movement in the American Church.
Despite the challenges, the research also points to encouraging opportunities. While only 27% of pastors report strong passion for global missions, 74% affirm the importance of the Great Commission, and 98% see missions as a biblical mandate. Matthew and Denny emphasize that this gap is a strategic opportunity. We can start to address it with clear definitions, scriptural teaching, and equipping pastors to become "sending shepherds." They encourage church leaders to connect local outreach passions with global needs and to shift from consumer-driven topical teaching to narrative-rich biblical exposition. The book offers a compelling, data-driven call to action for pastors, missions leaders, and mobilizers alike.
The Mission Matters Podcast is a place to talk about the importance of our Mission as Christians. The Mission Matters is a partnership of Missio Nexus and Sixteen:Fifteen, who have a shared passion to mobilize God’s people to be a part of His mission.

thesendingshepherd.com

1615.org/sendingshepherd

Fifty Unbelievable Years of Gospel Advance15 Aug 202400:34:14

Fifty years ago Ralph Winter spoke at the Congress of World Evangelization in Lausanne, Switzerland. He laid out a vision of world evangelization that transformed the perspective on the unreached not as countries or nations, but ethnic people groups. What progress has been made in global evangelization since that moment? What does the remaining task look like? Matthew and Ted interview RW Lewis, who has researched and published a booklet called The Great Progress of the Gospel and the Remaining Frontier Missions Task. 

Sending Latinos: Uniquely Suited as Missionaries15 Jul 202400:25:23

Reflejo are a group of Latin-American missionaries called to be forerunners to Gospel movements among the unreached. What are the pathways for Latinos to be sent and what are their unique advantages being sent to the unreached? Dave Matthews is president of Reflejo (https://reflejo.org), a missions sending agency based in Latin American. Dave joins Matthew and Ted to talk about the need for sending agencies outside the USA and how Latinos can help fulfill the Great Commission.New boost

SIM's First Non-Western International Director15 Jun 202400:35:29

SIM has a long history in Nigeria. As a teen, Joshua Bogunjoku became a follower of Christ and was discipled by an SIM missionary. Years later he became the first non-western International Director of SIM. Eleven years later he has retired. Join Ted and Matthew as they listen to Joshua's interesting story and to some of his reflections from his time as International Director.

Mobilizing Gen Z with Jolene Erlacher15 May 202400:29:44

God has equipped Gen Z with a unique set of gifts for our time and culture. Gen Z are inclusive, empathetic, collaborative, and individualistic. How can we contextualize our mobilization efforts towards these talented young people? Jolene Erlacher (author of Mobilizing Gen Z and founder of http://leadingtomorrow.org) talks with Matthew and Ted about how to steward our relationships with this generation.

Fourth Lausanne Congress on World Evangelization in Seoul with David Bennett15 Apr 202400:28:36

How can the global missions community address the challenge of reaching the nations? In this episode of The Mission Matters podcast, Matthew and Ted speak with David Bennett, Global Associate Director of the Lausanne Movement, about the upcoming Fourth Lausanne Congress on World Evangelization, also known as Seoul-Incheon 2024 in Seoul Korea. David addresses Lausanne’s goal of fostering ‘collaborative action teams’ for the purpose of accelerating global mission.

https://lausanne.org/gathering/seoul-2024New boost

Coaching Leaders: Discovering Identity and Contribution with Rob Wassel15 Mar 202400:38:18

Many leaders struggle with decluttering the chaos. Coaching is a discovery process with a trusted advisor to chip away at something to see what God is going to uncover. In this episode, Matthew interviews Rob Wassel of Tekton Executive Coaching (www.tektonexecutivecoaching.com) to learn how coaching is not consulting, mentoring or counseling, but a Spirit-led carving-away,  to make something new. Hear how this process worked out in Rob’s own story.

Funding and Sending Ethnic Minorities with Krystle Roberts and Tyler Collins15 Feb 202400:33:58

Krystle Roberts and Tyler Collins of the Betsey Stockton Foundation discuss the challenges of support raising for ethnic minorities and creative ways to help send people of color to the missions field. Learn more at https://www.betseystocktonfoundation.com/ 

We want to hear from you! Podcast Survey for 202416 Jan 202400:02:09

We’re evaluating the future of this podcast, and we would love to hear from you! We’ve put together a short survey at https://1615.org/podcast/. It’s anonymous, so give us your honest feedback about what you like, what you don’t like, and most importantly, what topics and what guests you would like to hear from in the future.

Values, Biases, & Culture: The Air We Breathe with Glen Scrivener15 Dec 202300:33:55

The values that undergird our society and culture are the air that we breathe, and we take them for granted. If we pull on those values, those threads go all the way back to Jesus. Matthew and Ted interview Glen Scrivener of Speak Life (https://speaklife.org.uk/) and author of the book The Air We Breathe: How We All Came to Believe in Freedom, Kindness, Progress, and Equality and discuss the implications for cross-cultural missions. 

Conversations from Mission Leaders Conference 202317 Nov 202300:35:56

Matthew Ellison interviews Rob Wassel, Jeremy Wynne, and Luke Womack at the MissioNexus Missions and Church Leaders Conference in Orlando, FL, in September 2023. Among other topics, they talk about how change comes about by pain, pleasure, or leverage (Wassel), how a church says no to good missions opportunities (Wynne), and eliminating the obstacles to missions goers (Womack). https://pioneers.org/ https://fbctopeka.com/

https://airomissions.com/

Equipping Africa’s Pastors: Non-Formal Theological Training23 Jul 202500:28:40

In this episode of The Mission Matters podcast, hosts Matthew Ellison and Ted Esler speak with Dr. Lawrence Oseje, a Kenyan pastor, theologian, and leader of Destiny Impact Mission International. Dr. Oseje shares his journey from pastoring in a Muslim-majority city to training pastors and missionaries across Kenya and beyond.


He emphasizes the urgent need for theological training in Africa, citing tragic examples of spiritual deception due to lack of education. Through non-formal theological education, his ministry brings basic, accessible Bible training directly to local pastors and lay leaders who are often unable to attend seminary due to educational or financial barriers.
Dr. Oseje discusses the rapid growth of the African church and the resulting demand for grounded, equipped leaders. He highlights a shift in mindset: seminary training is no longer viewed as irrelevant or inferior but as vital and increasingly sought-after.


With the help of partnerships, including with Global Action and U.S. churches, his ministry is forming a network committed to grassroots discipleship and contextual missions. Dr. Oseje calls for global interdependence in missions, affirming that the future of the African church is bright, but will require sacrificial investment, collaboration, and Spirit-led leadership.
The Mission Matters Podcast is a place to talk about the importance of our Mission as Christians. The Mission Matters is a partnership of Missio Nexus and Sixteen:Fifteen, who have a shared passion to mobilize God’s people to be a part of His mission.

https://dimitrust.org

The Other Side of "The Mission" Documentary: The Story of John Allen Chau13 Oct 202300:43:31

National Geographic and Disney+ are releasing a documentary called "The Mission" about the life and death of John Allen Chau. While they interview many of his friends and family, there's more to the story. Dr. Mary Ho, International Executive Leader of All Nations, the organization that trained John before he went to the North Sentinelese, shares her personal memories of John and why she is convinced following Jesus' command to take the good news to all nations is worth every risk. Learn more at https://allnations.international/john-chau

Immigrating Nones & Graphs About Religion with Ryan Burge15 Sep 202300:30:04

There’s a positive misconception that people immigrating to the United States are more religious than the average American and may help stem the secular tide. But Dr. Ryan Burge, professor, author, and pastor, says the data doesn’t support that. What does the data say about immigrants, and how does that affect the future of the Great Commission? Ryan, Matthew, and Ted discuss the opportunities for churches - here and around the globe. Learn more about Ryan's work at https://www.graphsaboutreligion.com/ 

Is it time to deconstruct the UPG Narrative? with Ted Esler & Matthew Ellison15 Aug 202300:45:43

Ralph Winter championed the paradigm shift of Unreached People Groups almost 50 years ago, urging the church to focus on the cultures that have the least access to the gospel. Several of the critiques that were offered in the 1970s have recently re-emerged under the banner of deconstructionism. Is missions inherently based in colonialism and white supremacy? Does immigration and globalization displace the need for sending cross-cultural missionaries? Matthew Ellison and Ted Esler discuss the impact of deconstructionism on the future of missions in this episode of The Mission Matters podcast. https://tedesler.substack.com/p/shifting-narratives-of-missions

Business As Mission: Beyond The Silver Bullet Strawman with João Mordomo15 Jul 202300:38:00

You might have heard someone declare that Business As Mission (BAM) is THE future of missions - but João Mordomo of BAM Global argues that isn't the heart of Business As Mission. Rather, BAM is driven by a desire to see the whole body of Christ participate in the mission of God. Matthew, Ted, and João discuss the biblical foundations of BAM, why BAM isn't the only biblical model, and scenarios where BAM is extremely effective. 

Revival, Missions, & Zinzendorf with Jeff Lewis15 Jun 202300:38:34

Jeff Lewis joins Matthew Ellison and Ted Esler to talk about missions, revival, and what we can learn from the life of Nikolaus von Zinzendorf. Jeff dispels some of the common myths surrounding Zinzendorf and the Moravians, and shares what he has learned from studying early Moravian primary source materials. They discuss the role revivals play in advancing missions, and what true awakening looks like. 

Is The Era of Support Raising Over? with Mark Wilson 15 May 202300:34:17

Business As Mission (BAM) is frequently being hailed as the new method of missions funding. Does that mean the era of support raising is over? Or is there space for multiple models of funding to meet the needs of different contexts? Matthew Ellison and Ted Esler talk with Mark Wilson of VIA Generosity (formerly Support Raising Solutions) as he shares his perspectives of how God is using support raising, particularly to resource workers in the Global South. 

Kingdom Collaboration with Michael Oh of Lausanne (co-hosted with Walter Kim of the NAE)15 Apr 202300:36:11

“Kingdom Collaboration” is a special episode for us, because we are co-hosting it with the National Association of Evangelicals podcast, Today’s Conversation. Ted Esler and Matthew Ellison teamed up with Walter Kim of the NAE to co-host a conversation with Michael Oh about Lausanne 4 next year in Seoul, South Korea, and the importance of creating movements of collaboration to advance the Gospel. Learn more about the NAE at https://www.nae.org/ and the Lausanne Movement at https://lausanne.org/.

Cultivating Resilience with Josh Duncan15 Mar 202300:35:10

“Cultivating Resilience” is the last episode in our three-part miniseries “The Hardest Places on the Planet,” with Matthew Ellison and guest Josh Duncan of TRIAD. TRIAD exists to glorify the King by mobilizing, equipping, and deploying followers of Christ into the world’s hardest to reach places and people groups. Josh shares about how they prepare both goers and senders to cultivate resilience and how the Holy Spirit is at work, even amidst persecution. This episode is sponsored by Support Raising Solutions - get the training and inspiration you need to be fully funded and launch your ministry.

When Dying Is Gain with Mary Ho15 Feb 202300:40:21

“When Dying Is Gain” is our second episode of three in our miniseries “The Hardest Places on the Planet,” with Matthew Ellison and guest co-host Bob Blincoe. Our guest is Mary Ho, who serves as the International Executive Leader of All Nations International, a training and sending agency that seeks to to ignite church planting movements among the neglected peoples of the earth. Mary shares what she has learned from the life and death of John Chau, who was martyred in 2018, and reflects on the cost, suffering, and joy of taking the gospel to the least reached places on the planet. This episode is sponsored by Support Raising Solutions - get the training and inspiration you need to be fully funded and launch your ministry.

The Hardest Places on the Planet with Bob Blincoe16 Jan 202300:33:50

Season 3 kicks off with the first of a three-part miniseries: The Hardest Places on the Planet. Bob Blincoe of Frontiers shares about his experiences as the first missionary team in Iraq, and how to build grit and resistance for workers called to the hardest places on the planet. This episode is sponsored by Support Raising Solutions - get the training and inspiration you need to be fully funded and launch your ministry. 

Beyond Sponsorship: Empowering Families for Lasting Transformation09 Jul 202500:28:44

In this episode of the Mission Matters podcast, Matthew Ellison and Ted Esler welcome Mark Luckey, Executive Director of Every Child Ministries (ECM), to discuss how the face of missions in Africa is changing. With decades of firsthand experience, Mark shares how improved infrastructure, evolving government involvement in child welfare, and a stronger local church have transformed both the needs and opportunities in African communities.


ECM’s mission to serve the most vulnerable children has shifted from a traditional child sponsorship model toward a more holistic, family-empowering approach. This change stems from a desire to move beyond relief and toward lasting community transformation by partnering with local families and churches.


Mark Luckey is no stranger to Every Child Ministries, having served as one their own missionaries in Uganda with the Afayo Project. After more than fifteen years of missionary service in four African countries, Mark became the International Executive Director of Every Child Ministries in January 2015. Mark and his wife Stacy have six children and nine grandchildren.
The Mission Matters Podcast is a place to talk about the importance of our Mission as Christians. The Mission Matters is a partnership of Missio Nexus and Sixteen:Fifteen, who have a shared passion to mobilize God’s people to be a part of His mission.

The Future Is Bright...15 Dec 202200:11:22

Matthew Ellison recaps the podcast for 2022, looks ahead to a new season on going to the hardest to reach places in 2023, and offers a word of encouragement on trusting God, even in the midst of really difficult things. 

Missional vs. Missions with a S? with Michael Goheen15 Nov 202200:36:29

There can be differences between the "missions with a S" world and the "missional" world - but Michael Goheen suggests there's a lot of common ground. Matthew, Ted, and Mike discuss the mission of the biblical story, the role of the church, vocation, cultural partnerships, and narrative theology.

Michael Goheen is director of Theological Education at Missional Training Center, scholar-in-residence for the Surge Network of Churches (Phoenix), and professor of missional theology at Covenant Theological Seminary (St Louis). Mike has authored, co-authored, or edited twelve books, including Becoming a Missionary Church: Lesslie Newbigin and Contemporary Church Movements (Baker, 2022), The Church and Its Vocation: Lesslie Newbigin’s Missional Ecclesiology (Baker, 2018), Introducing Christian Mission Today: Scripture, History, and Issues (IVP, 2014), A Light to the Nations: The Missional Church and the Biblical Story (Baker, 2011), and The Drama of Scripture: Finding Our Place in the Biblical Story (Baker, 2004). He spends time each year in Brazil, Chile, and Hungary training pastoral leaders. He is married to Marnie and together they have four adult married children and eleven grandchildren.

Debunking Missions Myths with Steve Richardson15 Oct 202200:30:18

Steve Richardson, president of Pioneers, talks with Matthew and Ted about his new book, Is the Commission Still Great? 8 Myths About Missions and What They Mean for the Church. Is missions necessary? Isn’t it obsolete, colonial, and harmful? Doesn’t it reduce the impact of the local church? Steve, Matthew, and Ted debunk a few of the myths and discuss the great privileges and benefits of participating in the mission of God. Learn more about the book at https://books.pioneers.org/.

No Choice Network & Church Renewal with Missie Nederland15 Sep 202200:35:35

Haije Bergstra of Missie 1:8 and Jiska Chin-A-Teh of Missie Nederland - the global partners of Sixteen:Fifteen - share about a missions campaign and network that is uniting churches and agencies across the Netherlands: The No Choice Network. They also share thoughts on how churches were affected by the pandemic and what church renewal in the Netherlands might look like.

Financial Discipleship as Outreach15 Aug 202200:29:34

There is an unprecedented opportunity to build relationships and love others by helping them resolve their financial burdens. Can this lead to spiritual transformation as well? Often, financial conditions are a window to a person’s spiritual situation. It is an open door for Great Commission influence. In this episode, hear how this strategy can transform lives. Our guest today, Candra Chahyadi, is a Professor of Finance at Eastern Illinois University.

Isn’t It Colonial of Us to Send Missionaries?29 Apr 202200:40:27

This important podcast was suggested by one of our listeners: 

One question that has come up in a number of conversations lately, especially with young people is:

“Isn’t it colonial of us to send missionaries?”


They’re not satisfied with a simple... “No, Jesus says go!” for an answer. We're grappling with this one

though, considering the good done in mission history, but also the negative, and the associations

with colonialism.

 

We recently heard of a young adult’s group at a Bible-believing church that doesn’t want to take a

mission course because “missions is too colonial.” How do we teach and help people through such

questions?


Do missionaries destroy culture? Do they do more harm than good? And isn't it colonial of Christians

to still be sending missionaries? Join us as we address these questions with Robert Woodberry,

surfacing the impact missionaries have had upon the world.


* Robert is the director of the Project on Religion and Economic Change and a senior research professor at Baylor University.

Critical Missions Conversations26 Mar 202200:45:16

While Missio's Missions Leaders Conference was taking place in September 2021, we took advantage of having hundreds of missions leaders in one place and set up a podcast booth where we asked some critical questions. The conversations centered on two massively important themes:

Missions Mobilization in Uncertain Times
Senior Leader Engagement in Global Missions

Tune in!

Also, we have some exciting news about next year's Missions Leaders Conference, so be sure to watch or listen to the end.

A Church After God's Own Heart17 Dec 202100:33:57

Today we welcome Justin Mack, the Global Project Pastor at River Valley Church in Burnsville Minnesota to the podcast.
If you are a missions pastor or serve on a missions team in a local church, you definitely won’t want to miss this epidsode!

Ten years ago, River Valley Church decided to take this Great Commission more seriously and become much more intentional about it’s strategy to engage the church in this Great Commission. At the time, the church had just given a little over $70,000 to support a couple dozen missionaries. Fast-forward ten years to today. River Valley now gives millions of dollars annually to support over 270 missionaries and has a vision to raise up 500 long-term missionaries willing to give at least a year (hopefully a lifetime) of their life to global missions’ efforts, mostly among the unreached.

So how does this happen? Join Ted and Matthew as they interview Justin, giving listeners a glimpse into one church's journey into the heart of God.

Is Virtual Reality a Biblical Reality?25 Oct 202100:30:15

The invention of the printing press catalyzed Martin Luther's reformation; radios and televisions delivered Billy Graham's gospel proclamations to millions of households. Technological advancements have undoubtedly advanced kingdom work for centuries—but is the same true for the burgeoning technologies of today?  As virtual reality becomes increasingly prominent throughout society, churches must assess how to respond thoughtfully and biblically. Tune in as Matthew and Ted have a conversation with Jonathan Armstrong, Professor of Bible at Moody Bible Institute, as they discuss his newest book 𝙑𝙞𝙧𝙩𝙪𝙖𝙡 𝙍𝙚𝙖𝙡𝙞𝙩𝙮 𝘾𝙝𝙪𝙧𝙘𝙝: 𝙋𝙞𝙩𝙛𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙨 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙋𝙤𝙨𝙨𝙞𝙗𝙞𝙡𝙞𝙩𝙞𝙚𝙨.

Afghanistan: What’s Happening and What’s Next?17 Sep 202100:27:45

Now that military forces have withdrawn, security has evaporated and danger has escalated, should we no longer be sending missionaries? Is this the end of the send to Afghanistan or is now the time to call forth a new generation of missionaries to move towards danger  and not away from it for the sake of the Gospel’s advance? Join special guest, Bob Blincoe, President Emeritus of Frontiers and former missionary to Iraq, as we discuss what’s happening and what might be next in Afghanistan.

God’s Heart for the Nations: A 30-Year Legacy of Mobilizing the Church25 Jun 202500:32:19

In this episode of The Mission Matters Podcast, hosts Matthew Ellison and Ted Esler sit down with veteran missions mobilizer Jeff Lewis to explore the deep connection between biblical disciple-making and global missions. Jeff also shares about the newly-released 30th anniversary edition of God’s Heart for the Nations, a study resource he created that has shaped thousands of students and churches. 
Jeff shares his testimony of experiencing what he calls a “second conversion” a spiritual awakening to God's global purposes sparked by years of Scripture meditation and a simple yet transformative prayer: “Lord, burden my heart with the things that burden Your heart.” 
This journey led Jeff from pastoring in a small Pennsylvania town to becoming a prominent advocate for missions, deeply committed to helping believers discover the centrality of God’s renown among the nations. 


During Jeff Lewis' 36-year career in missions mobilization, he planted and pastored two churches and spent 23 years as a college professor at California Baptist University and Oklahoma Baptist University. Jeff has also participated in training indigenous mobilization leaders in five African countries, along with assisting in the development of mobilization strategies in over 25 countries. Jeff’s remarkable journey includes co-founding and co-directing the Passion conferences from 1997 to 2000, leaving an enduring mark on the landscape of ministry and worship. His literary contributions include the widely translated God’s Heart for the Nations, Calling: A Scriptural Journey, and Christ Love Compels Me. Jeff is also an inductee to the Tennessee Swimming Hall of Fame. He has been married to Elaine for 50 years and has seven adult children and 20 grandchildren. Jeff is a member of First Presbyterian Church (EPC) of Rome, GA.
The Mission Matters Podcast is a place to talk about the importance of our Mission as Christians. The Mission Matters is a partnership of Missio Nexus and Sixteen:Fifteen, who have a shared passion to mobilize God’s people to be a part of His mission.
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"The Universal Particularism of 𝑷𝒂𝒏𝒕𝒂 𝑻𝒂 𝑬𝒕𝒉𝒏𝒆: A biblical case for the continued viability of the people group concept in mission"03 Sep 202100:34:03

Can we be sure that when Jesus commissioned us to “make disciples of all nations," 𝒑𝒂𝒏𝒕𝒂 𝒕𝒂 𝒆𝒕𝒉𝒏𝒆 in the Greek, that He was talking about
ethno-linguistic groupings and not just those who weren’t Jews?  On this episode of The Mission Matters we are joined by Missiology Catalyst, Dave Datema of Frontier Ventures. Join us as we discuss why this is such an important question and what happens when we lose the universal particularism of panta ta ethne.

Helping Women Thrive on the Mission Field29 Jul 202100:28:49

The Christian community puts tremendous energy and momentum toward getting global workers on the field, but there’s often a lack of intentional effort to provide spiritual, emotional and physical support once workers are serving overseas. Thus, many women ministering around the world feel alone and are barely surviving. In this podcast, Lorrie Lindgren, CEO of Thrive, shares Biblical and practical insights that will help listeners understand the unique challenges faced by women serving as missionaries and how to care for them in a manner worthy of God’s name.

Honor, Shame and the Gospel: An Update09 Jun 202100:44:18

Christians engaged in communicating the gospel navigate a challenging tension: 𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘵𝘩𝘧𝘶𝘭𝘯𝘦𝘴𝘴 𝘵𝘰 𝘎𝘰𝘥'𝘴 𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘪𝘦𝘯𝘵, 𝘳𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘢𝘭𝘦𝘥 𝘞𝘰𝘳𝘥 - 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘳𝘦𝘭𝘦𝘷𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘭𝘰𝘤𝘢𝘭, 𝘤𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘴𝘰𝘤𝘪𝘢𝘭 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘹𝘵. Tune in for this episode on 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘔𝘪𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘔𝘢𝘵𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘴 podcast as Matthew and Ted have a conversation with the authors of the new book 𝘏𝘰𝘯𝘰𝘳, 𝘚𝘩𝘢𝘮𝘦, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘎𝘰𝘴𝘱𝘦𝘭: 𝘙𝘦𝘧𝘳𝘢𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘖𝘶𝘳 𝘔𝘦𝘴𝘴𝘢𝘨𝘦 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘔𝘪𝘯𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘺. Chris Flanders and Werner Mischke give us the backstory on their new book, share examples of an honor-shame gospel framework and explain why this is such an important topic for missionaries to be aware of.

Chris Flanders serves as the Professor of Missions at Abilene Christian University and Werner Mischke serves as Vice President of Mission ONE. 

Perspectives on the World Christian Movement: Past, Present and Future of the Perspectives Study Program06 May 202100:42:45

God has a "world-sized" role for every Christian in His global purpose. Tune in for this episode on 𝙏𝙝𝙚 𝙈𝙞𝙨𝙨𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙈𝙖𝙩𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙨 as Matthew and Ted have a conversation with their guest – James Mason, CEO for the Perspectives Study Program, as he shares about their past, present and future and how if you have a vision to live a life of purpose, there's a place for you.

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