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An Inside Look At The Law Firm's Law Firm
22 Dec 2025
00:26:59
Summary
In this episode of the Jabot podcast, host Kathryn Rubino chats with Sandra Cohen, co-managing partner at Cohen & Buckmann. Sandra shares her journey from HR to law, specializing in executive compensation and employee benefits. Discover the challenges and rewards of running a boutique law firm and gain insights into the niche legal field of ERISA. It's a must-listen for those curious about dynamic law careers and the evolving landscape of boutique legal practices!.
Episode Highlights
00:34 - Why Sandra Cohen pursued law.
02:55 - Transition from Big Law to personal practice.
05:07 - The elusive work of corporate lawyers.
06:34 - Complexities of executive compensation.
08:39 - Navigating tax and ERISA specializations.
10:59 - Founding a boutique law firm.
13:09 - Teaming up with small/boutique firms.
16:19 - The importance of smart hiring.
18:58 - Networking as making friends, not just connections.
Lawyering With Empathy with Farid Yaghoubtil - Episode 214
21 Nov 2025
00:19:39
In this episode, host Kathryn Rubino chats with Farid Yaghoubtil, founding partner of DTLA Law Group. Discover Farid's journey from fleeing Iran to empowering the underrepresented through law. His passion for justice, client-focused approach, and the challenges of balancing ideals with firm management make it a must-listen for aspiring lawyers and entrepreneurs. Tune in to catch Farid's inspiring stories and insightful advice on staying true to your mission.
Episode Highlights
Decision to pursue law due to childhood injustice.
Balancing ideals and legal system realities.
Motivation behind starting a law firm.
Challenges of running a legal business.
Importance of organization and hiring in business success.
Leading with empathy in law practice.
Avoiding burnout through gratitude and meaningful connections.
Inspiring story: Helping a child in a lead exposure case.
The value of listening to clients.
A personal approach over transactional lawyering.
Building client relationships for sustained growth.
A Look At How The Law Fails Patients with Anna Kirkland - Episode 205
03 Jul 2025
00:28:06
Tune into The Jabot Podcast for a must-listen episode with Anna Kirkland, a professor at the University of Michigan. Discover how her new book reveals the complexities and failures of discrimination law in healthcare. Unpack how civil rights shape healthcare access, and learn about the impact of algorithmic bias. Essential for those keen on healthcare policies and rights protections. Don't miss it!
Highlights
Anna's academic journey: from law school to academia
The intersection of civil rights and healthcare in Kirkland's book
Historical context: Transgender rights and public opinion
Complexities of implementing nondiscrimination in healthcare
Supreme Court involvement in gender-affirming care for youth
Medicare as a tool of civil rights enforcement in history
The role of rank-and-file employees in healthcare discrimination
Patient experience: legal vs. customer service approach
Challenges of addressing algorithmic discrimination in healthcare
The Best Lessons On Being A Judge Come From Being A Parent with Katharine von Ter Stegge - Episode 115
17 Jun 2022
00:25:29
In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Katharine von Ter Stegge, a circuit court judge for the Multnomah County in the Oregon Judicial Department, about the best lessons on being a judge. Katharine talks about how the law has always interested her and how her career changed her view on what law really is. She also shares the skills she's learned throughout her career that helped her in being a judge, as well as her own advice to somebody who wants to be one. Additionally, Katharine narrates the highs and lows of her career and what her takeaways from these situations are.
Biglaw Partner On The Red Flags Of Toxic Workplaces with Anne Cortina Perry - Episode 114
10 Jun 2022
00:26:18
In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Anne Cortina Perry of Jenner & Block, and how she balances her work at the firm, her personal life, developing her practice area, and even writing her book of business. Anne shares her transition from going to law school to her path to partnership, and her own advice to people who want to take the same path. She also runs down the different red flags in a toxic work environment and how the development of the culture risk and sensitive investigations practice can help a firm.
Advice to people to fit in or do well at a law firm
How her work at Jenner appeals to her
The development of the culture risk and sensitive investigations practice and what are the legal risks it is designed to do
What the red flags are in a toxic work environment
How she maintains the balance between her work at Jenners, her personal life, developing her practice area, her billable hours, and her book of business
How the pandemic impacted the big law
What were your experiences like before people cared about flexibility and still staying in that partnership?
The highs and lows: The best of the best and the worst of the worst parts of her career
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Law Professor On The Future Of The First Amendment with Samantha Barbas - Episode 113
03 Jun 2022
00:22:14
In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Samantha Barbas, a University at Buffalo School of Law professor and Director of the Baldy Center for Law and Social Policy, about the future of the first amendment. Samantha talks about who Morris Ernst is and how he got recognition in the field. She also discusses how she was able to go through all the materials and documents left by Morris Ernst to share his work and life to other people. Additionally, Samantha shares about the contents in the first amendment and the issues that people should be paying attention to in this modern time.
Work/Life Balance May Not Be Where It's At with Donna Edbril - Episode 112
27 May 2022
00:22:28
In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Donna Edbril, a Certified Leadership Coach, about how she helps female lawyers find the balance between their personal lives and working in a law firm. Donna also shares her transition from starting out in law school, working in different companies to being a career coach. She also runs down the different advice she can give to people who are finding it difficult to set boundaries and the proven methods for them to take control of their career paths.
Law Professors Reveal A History Of The Supreme Court You Never Knew with Hannah Brenner Johnson and Renee Knake Jefferson - Episode 111
20 May 2022
00:27:25
In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Hannah Brenner Johnson and Renee Knake Jefferson about their book focusing on the research on the women who appeared on the presidential shortlist back in history. Hannah and Renee not only share the stories of the women who represent the gender on the court, but also how the nomination impacted the lives and careers of those who did not make the transaction. They also discuss the biggest takeaways they learned from these women and the process they underwent to share the story to the world.
Episode Resources
Why Hannah and Renee decided to go to law school
Finding their way into the legal space: How the path happened to them, considering they are not from a family of lawyers
How the idea of delving into the women's names who are not in the tip of everyone's tongue or the front of everyone's memory came from and why does it matter
The process of determining who appeared on the presidential shortlist back in history
Who Florence Allen is
Why is the representation of women on the court so important
Life after the short list: For the women who didn't make the transition, how did it impact their career
This Biglaw Partner Has Never Seen A Lateral Market Like This One with Jodi Schwimmer - Episode 110
13 May 2022
00:25:31
In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Jodi Schwimmer, partner at Reed Smith and global co-lead of the Financial Industry Group, about how she balances firm leadership responsibilities with her practice. Jodi shares how the Financial Industry Group has changed because of the pandemic, and some firm priorities for this year. She also discusses some of the biggest successes and failures of her career.
Biglaw Partner Gets Honest About How Hard Work/Life Balance Really Is with Tamra Moore - Episode 109
06 May 2022
00:26:32
In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Tamra Moore, partner at King & Spalding, about the twists and turns of her career that led her to her role at K&S. Tamra shares what latering during a pandemic was like, and how she decided on a firm that worked for her. She also discusses the differences between Biglaw, in-house, and government service. Tamra additionally talks about what a day in the life of a Government Matters attorney is like.
Episode Highlights
Why she decided to go to law school
An incredible intimidating industry
Where is the best place to be a lawyer
What is being a healthcare lawyer
There are many different paths to take when you're in healthcare
One of the biggest challenges
The process of joining a new firm
Tips for people that are starting their career
Working In-house
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Inside Look At Biglaw Diversity Efforts with Renauld Clarke - Episode 108
29 Apr 2022
00:29:42
In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Renauld Clarke, Director of Diversity, Equity & Inclusion at Brown Rudnick, about the biggest diversity challenges in Biglaw. Renauld discusses the most relevant benchmarks for diversity in the legal profession, and why he launched the Racial Justice initiative. He also shares how he is approaching recruitment and retention given the intensity of the lateral market right now.
Partner Dishes On Finding Your Ideal Practice with Jodi Warren - Episode 107
22 Apr 2022
00:21:52
In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Jodi Warren, a partner at Capell Barnett Matalon & Schoenfeld, about a day in the life of a Real Estate, Corporate and Commercial Transactions, and Religious and Charitable Organizations attorney. Jodi shares her biggest career successes and failures, and what she learned from them. She talks about what virtual lawyering has looked like for her during the pandemic, and whether it has been easier or harder to balance that with the rest of her life. Jodi shares her tips for balancing work and life, and how the pandemic has brought that balancing act into focus for her.
What You Need To Know: How The Courts Define Emojis with Leslie Garfield Tenzer - Episode 106
15 Apr 2022
00:27:04
In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Leslie Garfield Tenzer, a professor at Pace University School of Law. Professor Tenzer discusses how she decided to get into legal academia and the twists and turns of her career that have led her to this point. She tells Kathryn why she decided to write the Legal Emoji Dictionary, and speaks about how emojis have been used in legal cases. She shares which emojis have a surprising legal definition, and talks about some of the pitfalls for lawyers if their cases do involve emojis.
Work/Life Balance Doesn't Have To Be A Myth For Lawyers with Laura Cowan - Episode 204
27 Jun 2025
00:23:04
On the latest episode of the Jabot Podcast, host Kathryn Rubino welcomes attorney Laura Cowan, author of "Lifestyle Lawyer Revolution." Discover why Laura transitioned from CPA to law, her journey of starting an estate planning firm, and the insights from her lifestyle-focused law practice. Laura shares invaluable tips on balancing career success with personal well-being. Whether you're a seasoned lawyer or just starting, Laura's practical advice and unique perspective offer a refreshing take on modern legal practice. Don't miss this insightful conversation!
Lawyers Are The Heroes And The Villains In Alex Jones Defamation Case with Elizabeth Williamson - Episode 105
08 Apr 2022
00:25:01
In this episode of The Jabot Kathryn chats with Elizabeth Williamson, author of Sandy Hook: An American Tragedy and the Battle for Truth. They chat about the ins and outs of the defamation cases filed by families of the victims of the tragic Sandy Hook mass shooting against the infamous Infowars host Alex Jones. What was billed as an epic First Amendment showdown fizzled to a default judgment with a lot of money potentially on the line. Elizabeth and Kathryn discuss the role of lawyers on both sides of this legal battle.
What was behind the families' motivation for suing for defamation
The legal strategies that families used to stop what's happening
How the whole saga begins with going after Alex Jones
The kind of level of distinction between fake news, the hoax is that we're seeing propagated and this sort of bright shining ideal of what the first amendment should be
In Elizabeth's opinion, what's the optimal outcome for each family
Other legal avenues that people should be pursuing in order to stern the tide of disinformation
How Elizabeth feels the case will end
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What Lawyers Really Need To Know To Grow Their Practice with Stephanie Wachman - Episode 104
01 Apr 2022
00:01:01
In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Stephanie Wachman, CEO and founder of Symetree, about the evolution of her career and the founding of Symetree. They discuss pressing issues in the industry, such as balancing a law career and "real life," dealing with the stress of career challenges, and strategies for business development. Stephanie also speaks about how she helps women lawyers grow their practices and achieve leadership roles in their firms.
Former Law Clerk Speaks Out About Her Experience With Harassment with Aliza Shatzman - Episode 103
25 Mar 2022
00:22:50
In this episode, Kathryn speaks with family law attorney Aliza Shatzman, who recently submitted a Statement for the Record for the House Judiciary Committee hearing about harassment in the judiciary. Aliza discusses her Statement, what happened with the judge, why the system that currently exists is insufficient, and what should be done to change it.
From Jim Crow to Today, Voter Suppression Hasn't Changed That Much with Gilda Daniels - Episode 102
18 Mar 2022
00:28:37
In this episode, Kathryn speaks with author and professor Gilda Daniels, about the process of writing her book, Uncounted. Gilda speaks about the current voter suppression efforts and the throughline from Jim Crow era efforts to what we are seeing today. Gilda discusses whether there is any hope that the Supreme Court will protect voting rights, and what Congress can do to protect such rights.
Law Professor On The Dichotomy Between The First Amendment And The Reality Of How Muslims Are Treated with Sahar Aziz - Episode 101
11 Mar 2022
00:32:48
In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Sahar Aziz, author, and Professor of Law at Rutgers Law School. Sahar shares how she first became interested in her book, The Racial Muslim. She details some historical examples of how the book's hypothesis is supported and discusses how far back the ideas go. Sahar also talks about the dichotomy between belief in the First Amendment and how that squares away in modern political discourse with the reality of how Muslims are treated.
The Racial Muslim: the historical basis which culminated in 9/11 - 06:07
Racialization as a negative phenomenon - 12:05
Impact of war on terror to the civil rights of Muslims and Arabs in the US - 15:26
War is a device for government power expansion - 19:48
The critical race theory - 23:45
Where do privileges come from?: Why Muslims fell down the hierarchy after 9/11 - 25:28
A center for security, race, and rights - 29:16
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Making Biglaw Partner In The Time Of COVID with Jennifer Schramm - Episode 100
04 Mar 2022
00:23:36
In The Jabot's 100th episode, Kathryn is joined by Jennifer Schramm, a partner at King & Spalding. They discuss Jennifer's career highs and lows, and how she balances her professional life with other interests. Jennifer also speaks about what it was like to make partners during a pandemic, and how to make the best of your career during tumultuous times.
Veteran Real Estate Attorney Dishes on the Havoc COVID Has Brought to the Industry with Michelle Quinn - Episode 99
25 Feb 2022
00:23:16
In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Michelle Quinn, partner at Gallet Dreyer & Berkey, about the twists and turns of her career that led her to her current role, and how she decided on her practice area. They also discuss how her practice has been impacted by COVID. Michelle talks about some career highs and lows and what she learned from them, and also shares her favorite war story from her practice.
From Biglaw Partner To In House To Author with Mansi Shah - Episode 98
18 Feb 2022
00:22:28
Kathryn speaks with Mansi Shah, author of "The Taste of Ginger" and Senior Vice President of Legal at Warner Bros., about how she balances her writing and legal careers, and what the process of writing is like for her. Mansi discusses the biggest challenges she faces when writing a novel, and why she decided to root her book in the immigrant experience. She also talks about how she decided what to draw on to create the main character of her book.
The Equal Rights Amendment Isn't Just Your Grandmother's Civil Rights Movement with Ting Ting Cheng and Kati Hornung - Episode 97
11 Feb 2022
00:27:43
In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Ting Ting Cheng, Director of the ERA Project, and Kati Hornung, Director of VoteEqualityUS, about the current status of the ERA and why the amendment is so vital in 2022. Ting Ting and Kati discuss their varying perspectives and skill sets when tackling the ERA, and what they say to people that think gender equality is a passé issue or something that's already been achieved. They also discuss the motivations behind the new and improved pocket constitutions, and what things they believe would be different in this country if the ERA was part of the constitution. Ting Ting and Kati also speak about the litigation strategy for the ERA and the best ways for others to get involved.
Being the Kind of Lawyer That Actually Makes The World a Better Place with Heather Weigler - Episode 96
04 Feb 2022
00:32:36
In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Heather Weigler, Assistant Attorney General at the Oregon Department of Justice, about escaping big law and making the world a better place. Heather tried to eliminate the existential dread and unhappiness from work that affected her life and well-being. Gender imbalance in the legal realm further motivated her to volunteer to help women gain their place in the industry.
Tune in to know how Heather manages to be more than her last achievement, finding that unicorn of a legal job and using stand-up comedy and TikTok as a release from job stress.
3 Powerhouse Women At The Heart Of Evolving Florida Condo Law with Marnie Dale Ragan, Ariella Gutman, and Kara Olesky - Episode 203
27 Jun 2025
00:25:41
In this episode, host Kathryn Rubino chats with Marnie Dale Ragan, Ariella Gutman, and Kara Olesky. They share insights on their unique journeys in the legal field, focusing on the intricacies of condominium law, litigation, and business. Explore how they balance professional growth with personal life, tackle high-stakes disputes, and the dynamics of partnership. Perfect for aspiring lawyers or anyone intrigued by the law's diverse career paths.
Highlights
Navigating high stakes business disputes.
Journey to unconventional practice areas.
The personal and corporate intersection in condo law.
Condo governance: challenges and responsibilities.
Evolving legal issues in condo management.
The path to partnership: experiences and expectations.
The Corrosive Effects of Ignoring Diversity with Peter Lynch - Episode 95
28 Jan 2022
00:30:10
In this episode, Kathryn talks to Peter Lynch, Cozen O'Connor's Office Managing Partner, on why he went to law school and how he chose his practice area. Peter discusses why he values D&I programs at business and bar association levels. He shares why he founded DisabilityRightsNow along with the organization's objectives. The legal profession has fallen behind in the hiring of people with disabilities. Thus, Peter poses some solutions that the legal industry may implement to correct this historical error.
Being a Law Firm Partner Is About More Than Just the Hours You Bill with Emer Simic - Episode 94
21 Jan 2022
00:29:37
Kathryn sits with Emer Simic, partner with Neal Gerber Eisenberg Intellectual Property Practice Group, to discuss her reason for shifting from the field of science to law. Emer shares why she chose IP as her specialization and what a typical day in her office entails. She also outlines some of the diversity challenges she sees in IP and the legal sector in general. And she elaborates some of the steps and efforts she recognizes as effective to address the said adversities. This episode also explains the differences between practicing law in Ireland and the United States.
Insults Are Undermining Your Civil Rights with Ruth Colker - Episode 93
07 Jan 2022
00:27:13
In this episode, Kathryn speaks with professor and author Ruth Colker about her path to legal academia and how she came up with the concept for her new book. Ruth discusses why conservatives have been able to win the rhetorical battle on so many issues using insults, and how progressives can flip the script. She also talks about how the insult playbook has played out in relation to #MeToo cases, and the current SCOTUS term.
Harnessing the Power of Women Entrepreneurs with Gabriela Isturiz - Episode 92
30 Dec 2021
00:24:25
In this episode, Kathryn speaks with entrepreneur Gabriela Isturiz about the ups and downs of working in the legal tech space. They discuss what led to the founding of Gabriela's Fund XX, and why it is so important to harness the power of women investors and entrepreneurs. Gabriela also shares the advice she has for folks getting involved in the legal tech space.
The Quest For Justice Shapes A Legal Career with Elizabeth Todd - Episode 91
23 Dec 2021
00:23:59
In this episode, Kathryn speaks with Elizabeth Todd, an attorney with the law offices of James Scott Farrin, about the twists and turns her career has taken to get her to where she is today. Elizabeth shares what a typical day looks like for her, and discusses how COVID has impacted the personal injury and nursing home negligence space. She also shares her biggest battles as a result of COVID and speaks about what nursing home policy should look like. Additionally, Elizabeth talks about the biggest successes and failures of her career and what she has learned from them.
Helping New Parents Return to the Office -- The Legal Profession Can Do Better with Lori Mihalich-Levin - Episode 90
17 Dec 2021
00:25:50
The transition to parenthood is not easy if you belong in the legal industry. How to survive working as a parent?
Kathryn speaks with Lori Mihalich-Levin, a health care lawyer in private practice at her firm. She is the founder of The Mindful Return, a platform that helps parents in planning a radiant, empowered, and smooth return from leave. Lori shares her reason for entering law school and the twist and turns in her career. Being a mother of two was not easy for her. However, she will discuss how it brought her to conceptualize her passion project.
Small Law Can Be Just the Right Size For You with Yvonne Cort - Episode 89
10 Dec 2021
00:25:53
Kathryn speaks with Yvonne Cort, partner at Capell, Barnett, Matalon & Schoenfeld, about how her law school career goals matched up with her actual career. Yvonne discusses how she settled on her practice area and the process of making a lateral move during a pandemic. She also speaks about the benefits of small firms, and what it's like being the only woman partner at her firm. Yvonne also shares her advice for folks just starting their legal career.
Judge Sounds Off On How to Fix a Broken Judicial System with Judge LaDoris Hazzard Cordell - Episode 88
03 Dec 2021
00:27:51
Kathryn speaks with Judge LaDoris Hazzard Cordell about how she made her way onto the bench and the decision behind writing her recent book. They also discuss some of the biggest responsibilities and challenges Judge Cordell has faced during her time on the bench, and she shares some of the hardest cases she has presided over. Judge Cordell also details how her experience as a Black queer woman has shaped her opinion on the justice system, and what she thinks is broken about our judicial system (and how it might be fixed).
Supreme Court Justices Are People Too with Joshua Prager - Episode 87
29 Nov 2021
00:29:15
In this episode, Kathryn speaks with journalist and author Joshua Prager about why he chose Roe as the subject of his most recent book, and what is so compelling about Norma McCorvey's story. They also discuss what we know now about the deal Justice Souter struck to save Roe in Planned Parenthood v. Casey. Josh also explains why he thinks it is important to excavate the history of the cases that established and codified reproductive rights when those freedoms are very much in peril at the Supreme Court.
How Lawyers Can Find Their North Star with Terrie Campbell - Episode 86
19 Nov 2021
00:28:26
In this episode, Kathryn and Terrie Campbell, the Chief Executive Officer at Esquire Deposition Solutions, discuss how the pandemic has impacted the legal tech space and the biggest lessons of the past two years. Terrie shares why she believes it's so challenging to embrace change, and what it means to find your personal North Star. Terrie also talks about whether it's possible to actually achieve work/life balance in the Biglaw space, and why she established the Council for Action.
Frustrated With Your Legal Career? You Can Do Something About That with Cecilia Poullain - Episode 202
20 Jun 2025
00:25:40
In this episode, host Kathryn Rubino chats with Cecilia Poullain, an international executive coach and former lawyer. Cecilia shares insightful career transitions from law to coaching, focusing on empowering women to become partners in law firms. The episode uncovers the hidden challenges of partnership, the importance of confidence, and striking a work-life balance. Cecilia's personal stories reveal the necessity of understanding one's true career desires. A must-listen for aspiring partners and those questioning their legal career path.
Highlights
Transitioning from law to executive coaching.
Valuable skills from a legal background in the financial sector.
Discovering a path through Gestalt therapy.
Challenges in the partnership journey for women.
The hidden skills needed for partnership.
Confidence issues and perfectionism in law.
The loneliness and mental health in law firms.
Recognizing and utilizing emotional intelligence in law.
Balancing personal life with demanding legal careers.
Flexibility in work arrangements as a solution.
Navigating personal goals within rigid law firm structures.
Coaching focus: achieving partnership to improve firm culture.
Biglaw Partner Dishes On the Pandemic's Impact On the Cannabis Industry, Diversity and Fulfilling Your Family's Legacy with Meghana Shah - Episode 85
12 Nov 2021
00:29:38
Kathryn speaks with Meghana Shah, partner at Eversheds Sutherland, about why her practice area was appealing and what an average day looks like for her. They discuss how the pandemic impacted Meghana's practice and what she thinks is on the horizon for the cannabis industry. Meghana shares her tips for others hoping to become a Biglaw partner and some of the highs and lows of her career. Kathryn and Meghana also chat about why diversity has been such a challenge for the legal industry, and what Meghana thinks can be done to improve D&I efforts.
Sometimes Dealing With Jerks Just Isn't Worth It with Fran Perdomo - Episode 84
05 Nov 2021
00:26:36
This week, Kathryn speaks with Fran Perdomo, partner at Gallet Dreyer & Berkey, about why she went to law school and how she decided on her practice area. They discuss Fran's biggest career success and failure, and what she learned from both of those. Fran shares what virtual lawyering has been like during the pandemic, and whether she thinks that makes it harder or easier to balance the rest of one's life. Fran also talks about how the pandemic brought that balancing act in focus.
The Legal World's Cassandra Has A Lot To Tell Us with Linda Hirshman - Episode 83
29 Oct 2021
00:33:20
What's the biggest social issue that you've heard? How were the people, even the government, decided to handle it?
In this episode, Kathryn chats with lawyer, cultural historian, and author Linda Hirshman about her decision to go to law school and the evolution of her career from labor attorney to best-selling author. They discuss how Linda picks what subjects to delve into for her books, and why her latest book, about the abolition movement, is such an important story to tell. They chat about how Linda views the legacy of Sandra Day O'Connor and Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the Court, and the potential legacy of Amy Coney Barrett.
Surveys are not just a way for a law firm to know the numbers and to gain information. It also helps strengthen the firm's relationship with its associates.
One of the top legal news services in the country, Law360, conducts the Glass Ceiling Survey — and this centers Kathryn's discussion with Law360's Kerry Benn. Kerry presents not only the numbers that result from the Glass Ceiling Survey, she also talks about the disparity between the law school numbers and the actual law firm numbers and what she thinks are the reasons why there are fewer women, especially women of color, in the field.
Timing Really Is Everything with Anna Brook - Episode 81
15 Oct 2021
00:25:43
It is all being in the right place at the right time: However, there are some life decisions that we already have in place, which can change easily without you knowing.
Kathryn welcomes Anna Brook, whose life changed even if she already made several plans for her future. Set to be an engineer, Anna decided to take a leap of faith and go to Law School in Harvard — and now, she's a successful patent lawyer. Anna and Kathryn chat about the twist and turns of her career that got her to where she is now. They also discuss how she settled on her practice area and some of the benefits of working in patent law. Anna also shares what the patent law STEM requirements are really like, and how she balances her career and home life.
Yes, You Can Balance Kids, Horses and Biglaw Partnership with Christi Campbell - Episode 80
08 Oct 2021
00:35:09
Corporate, civil rights, criminal, family, and intellectual: These are just a few of the fields of law that you can specialize in. If you get to choose, which one would you like to focus on?
In this episode, Kathryn and Christi discussed the advice that Christi has for those trying to decide what practice works best for them. She also shares her advice for others on the path to partnership. Christi talks about what it was like working with clients on their brands during the pandemic, and what surprises she faced during that process. She also discusses how she balances pro bono work with her billable work.
Creating an 'All Girls Network' with Michelle Browning - Episode 79
01 Oct 2021
00:30:52
It is challenging to start a career in the legal industry, especially for women. In what was believed as a men-controlled community, how can female lawyers and legal counsels make a name for themselves?
Kathryn sits down with Michelle Browning to talk about making a voice not only as a female lawyer but also as a working mom, in the legal industry. Michelle shares her success story of building an all-girls network that started with MothersEsquire. She also discusses the different programs that MothersEsquire started to promote gender equality.
It's All About the Money with Betiayn Tursi - Episode 78
24 Sep 2021
00:26:43
When it comes to being a lawyer, what are the adversaries and challenges that you might face?
In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Betiayn as she shares the twists and turns of her career that got her to where she is today. Betiayn talks about how the legal industry has evolved, particularly in respect to diversity, during the course of her career. They also discuss what led up to the founding of WILEF and the work she's most proud of. Betiayn also shares about why WILEF decided to change the Gold Standard criteria, and the main takeaways from the most recent Gold Standard List. She gives her thoughts on the most important diversity benchmarks for the profession.
The twist and turns that lead Betiayn Tursi's career to where it is now. - 0:51
Joining ADA catapulted Betiayn's career. - 3:13
How did her background in legal marketing play a role as she started shifting her focus into diversity issues? - 7:35
The major evolutions in the legal industry, particularly as it relates to the question of diversity. - 9:31
Works and programs that Betiayn participated in that she's most proud of. - 10:47
How did the Gold Standard evolve over time? - 12:07
How Betiayn sees the two-tier partnership in law firms impact the goals of diversity. - 15:56
Takeaways from the most recent iteration. - 17:52
The most important benchmarks for law firms to be hitting or for people who are thinking of latering or starting their legal career. - 20:31
Money makes you feel good. If you're compensated correctly and you have a role in the firm, it makes all the difference in the world. - 21:56
"I don't want people to think that being a lawyer is easy and that partnering with a law firm is easy. It's not easy. However, the people I surround myself with are all very grateful, happy, and balanced." - 23:51
Advice that Betiayn has for people who want to be in the brass ring path. - 24:35
Difference between a sponsor and a mentor. - 25:28
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It's Been Quite The Year For Business Interruption Insurance -- Just Ask This Biglaw Partner with Linda Kornfeld - Episode 77
17 Sep 2021
00:27:42
Building a career in the law field can be both challenging and rewarding: Especially if your field of interest is uncommon. In today's episode, Kathryn interviews Linda Kornfeld. Linda shares why she attended law school and how she landed in her practice area: As an Insurance Recovery Attorney. She also gives advice for others who are looking for their career niche, as well as her experiences with business interruption insurance over the past year and what Biglaw can do to foster diversity.
Biglaw Document Review Is The Perfect Backdrop For A Legal Thriller with Lindsay Cameron - Episode 76
10 Sep 2021
00:26:43
Is having a law degree a great tool that opens up a lot of doors and opportunities? In this episode, Kathryn welcomes Lindsay to discuss her pivot to writing from her career in law. They discuss her process of writing her second novel and how different it is from the process of her first book. Lindsay also shares her advice for lawyers and legal professionals who are looking to break into writing.
Beyond writing, what's the actual practice of law that Lindsay misses? - 3:53
What's her background and how was she able to capture the feeling of the people in the room without necessarily being where they want to be? - 11:05
Her fascination with the hierarchy of law firms. - 12:12
When there's no competition, if temp workers don't have anywhere to go to, they accept any projects available. 14:40
What people who are new in the industry should know? 15:59
Is it true?: A law degree is a great tool as it opens up a lot of doors. - 17:40
Is the "eat what you kill" system, where associates with large clients act bigger and with a toxic attitude, should still thrive in the industry because they're bringing in money? - 20:55
What skills from being an associate was she able to take when writing day to day? - 24:11
Pieces of Advice to people who want to get started in legal writing. - 25:11
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Biglaw Partner Shares What It's Really Like To Work In Intellectual Property Law with Olga Berson - Episode 201
23 May 2025
00:21:57
Kathryn Rubino chats with Olga Berson partner at Thompson Coburn. Olga shares her journey from a scientist to a top patent attorney, tackling AI's impact on patentability and the evolving biosimilar litigation. Her unique insights and balance between law and ballroom dancing make it an inspiring episode!
Highlights
Path from science to patent law.
Patent lawyers as the geeks of the law field.
Collaborating across legal disciplines.
Day-to-day life of a patent partner.
Unique career spanning patent prosecution, litigation, and more.
Key issues: Patent eligibility and AI.
Patent law and its challenges with biotech and AI.
Balancing AI's role in innovation and patentability.
AI hallucinations and legal implications.
Lateral move to Thompson Coburn and its appeal.
Combining a demanding career with ballroom dancing.
Advice for aspiring patent lawyers: Build client trust.
An Outsider's Perspective on the Legal industry with Ritu Khanna - Episode 75
03 Sep 2021
00:27:14
Can someone who's not a lawyer get involved in the legal industry? In this episode, Kathryn and Ritu discussed the twists and turns of Ritu's career which led her to her current role in the male-dominated space of the legal industry. Ritu spoke about whether she ever felt her accomplishments were undermined because of her race or gender and how she dealt with those feelings. She also shared her advice for others who are coming up in white or male spaces as well as her perspective on the legal industry.
The History of Female Law Professors with Patricia Cain - Episode 74
27 Aug 2021
00:26:25
Kathryn interviews Patricia Cain, one of the authors of Paving the Way, about the twists and turns of her life and career: from going to law school, being part of a circus troupe to starting a career in the legal academia. Patricia highlights her experiences not only as a teacher but also her experiences in law school. She also shared the best lessons she learned, especially for those who want to start a life in legal academia.
The reasons why Patricia decided to go to law school. - 1:24
The twists and turns: How she went from law school, a theater member, to being a teacher. - 4:20
Patricia's involvement in the Paving the Way book project. - 9:14
A shift from being introduced to Herma Hill Kay to continue writing the book. - 12:08
Linking histories: Knowing the difference of the process back in the '70s to her experience. - 17:16
It wasn't until other women joined the faculty that Ellen Peter's voice could be heard during faculty meetings. When you're the one woman in the room, you say something and nobody says anything back then 5 minutes later a man says the same thing and everybody thinks it's brilliant. I experience that every time. - 18:57
The adoption process. - 21:17
The best lessons that people who want to start a life in academia can take away. - 23:46
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How a Partner's Fear of Flying Turned Into a Legacy for His Children with Mark Hsu - Episode 73
20 Aug 2021
00:28:16
Kathryn spoke with Mark Hsu about his experiences as a lawyer, author, and father. They also discussed how Mark drew a line and a balance between legal practice and parenthood. Additionally, they talked about some of the challenges that Mark faced while starting as a lawyer up to creating different lessons for his book that he can pass down to his children.