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The Holy Wild Trailer03 Mar 202500:05:38

From the Center For Wild Spirituality, The Holy Wild, hosted by Victoria Loorz.

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Mapping The Holy Wild05 Apr 202500:51:31

On our first episode of the Holy Wild, Victoria speaks with producer Stephen about the vision for the podcast. Victoria shares her answers to the questions we intend to ask every guest, including "tell me about the land that raised you?" and "what's a recent experience you've had with the holy and wild?" They also introduce elements of the podcast like the invitation to you at the end of each episode, as well as the Sacred Conversation segment to feature your stories and encounters.


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  • 0:00  Intro                  
  • 3:43  The Land Who Raised You
  • 10:06 Being-In-The-Longing As Belonging
  • 11:06 The Unknown As Spiritual Practice Markers
  • 12:54 Our Tragic and Voluntary Severance
  • 14:56 We've Tamed Ourselves
  • 15:57 In Kinship With The Mosquito
  • 17:28 Hosting LOGOS Conversations
  • 20:36 Why Podcast Now?
  • 20:55 "God Is Not A Tree"?
  • 24:07 The Conversation Of Creation
  • 25:08 The Trap Of Duality
  • 25:53 Restoring Human Cooperation
  • 27:01 Conversation Beyond Words
  • 28:48 Victoria's Conversation With Sister Stream
  • 32:56 Obstacles Are The Music
  • 35:21 A Closing Thought On Practical Wandering
  • 38:05 Thresholds
  • 40:50 Introduction To Invitation
  • 44:40 Invitation
  • 46:44 Sacred Conversation: Stephen and Prairie Falcon
  • 49:30 Credits
Indigenous Worldview Can Preserve Our Existence with Four Arrows (Don Trent Jacobs)19 Apr 202500:52:25

In this moving episode of The Holy Wild, Victoria Loorz is joined by Four Arrows (Don Trent Jacobs)—Cherokee author, scholar, and Lakota pipe carrier—for a profound conversation centered on reclaiming a kinship-based worldview. Drawing from Indigenous wisdom, never-before-told personal vision stories, and decades of advocacy, Four Arrows shares how restoring sacred relationship with the Earth begins with shifting our deepest ways of seeing and being. May this conversation serve as a powerful reminder that Indigenous worldviews hold essential guidance for healing our fractured relationship with the more-than-human world.


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  • 0:00 Introduction
  • 5:30 Lakota Prayer
  • 6:31 Indigenous Worldview Video
  • 9:27 Statistics Challenge
  • 11:19 Anthropocentrism Harms Relationship
  • 11:56 Four Arrows Near Death Experience
  • 12:43 There's No Question The Animals Talk With Us
  • 13:51 How Do You Know It's The Animal Speaking?
  • 18:57 Sharing The Sacred
  • 20:05 Binaries
  • 23:18 How To De-Other
  • 24:30 Human Nature In Our Own Captivity
  • 30:00 Noun Verb
  • 33:18 Relationship Is Action
  • 36:21 Humans Are Not A Cancer
  • 37:26 Differing Worldviews
  • 40:29 Asking Permission Of Plants
  • 41:56 The Science Is Catching Up
  • 43:58 Closing Flute Song
  • 47:13 Wandering Invitation
  • 49:16 Michele with River and Wind
  • 51:16 Credits

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Life After Doom with Brian McLaren17 May 202500:53:30

In this episode of The Holy Wild, Victoria Loorz speaks with author and public theologian Brian McLaren about how to live with love, courage, and imagination in the midst of ecological and societal collapse. Rooted in McLaren’s latest book, Life After Doom, their conversation invites us into a deeper spirituality that faces reality without losing hope. Together, they explore how grief, beauty, and small communities of care can become seeds of transformation. It’s a moving, grounded dialogue for anyone longing to walk a path of love—no matter what unfolds.


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  • 0:00 Intro
  • 5:34 Opening Poem
  • 7:12 Interview
  • 12:13 4 Problems
  • 13:12 Collapse and Authoritarianism
  • 18:40 Comfort in cycles and grief
  • 21:41 Practically being with neighbors
  • 27:12 Repentance
  • 29:08 The Bible as Indigenous literature
  • 30:30 Adam and the dust we return to
  • 32:20 This Life vs the afterlife
  • 37:00 What is our dream?
  • 41:31 Liberation to new thinking     
Kincentric Leadership: The Unlearning And Emergence Of A New Kind Of Spiritual Leader with Justine Afra Huxley03 May 202500:49:44

In this moving conversation, Victoria Loorz and Justine Afra Huxley explore kincentric leadership as both an unlearning and an emergence — a return to sacred relationship with Earth and a new way of living as spiritual leaders. Drawing from Sufi tradition, spiritual ecology, and deep listening to the more-than-human world, Justine invites us into a future shaped by kinship, reverence, and co-creation.


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  • 0:00 Introduction
  • 4:48 Justine's Beginnings in the Sufi Tradition
  • 7:35 Sacred Earth
  • 9:15 An Encounter In Devon
  • 10:56 Inner Life Becoming Outer Life
  • 12:05 Suffering Earth Severance
  • 12:39 The Work Is Spiritual
  • 15:29 Integration At Every Level
  • 17:29 Unlearning At Every Level
  • 22:41 Kincentric Leadership
  • 25:03 Many Knowledges Integrating
  • 26:34 Readiness For This Wild Shift
  • 27:49 The Need For New Words
  • 31:35 Avail Yourself
  • 33:13 Offerings To Water
  • 36:00 A Fire Ceremony Story
  • 38:17 The Pace Of Emergence
  • 40:02 Adapting Without Appropriating
  • 41:01 Inviting Earth In To The Ceremony Markers
  • 42:14 Farewells
  • 43:58 Wandering Invitation
  • 45:34 Corrine and Golden Eagle

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Re-Enchanting the World Through Relationship with Brother Coyote (Gary Paul Nabhan)31 May 202500:53:10

In this profound conversation, Victoria Loorz is joined by ethnobotanist, Franciscan brother, and spiritual ecologist Gary Paul Nabhan—also known as Brother Coyote—exploring themes of cultural and spiritual resistance, sacred relationship with the land, and the transformative power of remembering ancient ways. Gary shares stories of his time with Indigenous communities, his recent recovery from a traumatic head injury, and his hope for agrarian sanctuaries in a time of ecological and societal collapse. Inviting us into a re-enchanted worldview grounded in interconnection, reverence, and resilience and concluding with a poetic practice of naming the relationships in the natural world, reorienting us toward wonder and communion.

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  • 00:00 Introduction
  • 05:53 The Land That Raised Brother Coyote
  • 07:22 Engaging All Senses
  • 09:52 Old Stories Collapsing
  • 11:32 Awkward Teen Phase
  • 12:28 Against The American Grain: A Borderland's History of Resistance
  • 15:24 Desert Spirituality
  • 17:29 Practical Sanctuaries of the Wild
  • 22:32 Listening Through Diversity
  • 24:29 Cultural Resistance
  • 28:13 Retreat to Assisi
  • 29:57 Take Little Steps
  • 31:34 Coming To Our Senses Through Body
  • 34:09 Active Incarnation
  • 36:29 Relationship > Thing-ness
  • 38:53 Ancient Expressions
  • 41:59 The World of Fragrance
  • 46:23 Wild Invitation
  • 49:26 Alex and the Ocean
What Is Church of the Wild? with Valerie Luna Serrels14 Jun 202501:00:55

In this episode of The Holy Wild, Victoria Loorz speaks with her sister and co-author, Valerie Luna Serrels, about the transformative movement of Wild Church. Together they explore how sacred relationship with Earth is being rekindled through embodied spiritual practice, intentional community, and the reclamation of ancient ways of knowing. They reflect on the Field Guide to Church of the Wild, a book they co-wrote to support this growing network, and share insights into the shift from dominance to kinship as a core spiritual calling.

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  • 00:33 Introduction  
  • 05:00 Field Guide  
  • 09:45 Living Paradox  
  • 13:15 Wild Church Network  
  • 23:10 Feminine Emergence  
  • 26:53 Seeing Tree  
  • 28:51 WCL Offer *
  • 31:02 Grounding  
  • 34:15 Redefining Church  
  • 36:52 Reclaiming Vocabulary  
  • 39:27 Acknowledging Land and Ancestor  
  • 43:30 Re-Placing Rituals  
  • 47:20 Advocacy Through Relationship  
  • 48:06 Wandering Saunter  
  • 49:59 Threshold Crossing  
  • 51:33 Permission Asking  
  • 53:00 Connect with Valerie  
  • 54:17 Closing Benediction  
  • 57:27 Melissa and Grandmother Oak  
  • 58:56 Outro

*When signing up for the Wild Church Leadership Course, mention PODCAST in your submitted form to get $50 off the cost of the course.

Celtic Wisdom for Reconnecting with Place with Seán Ó Gaoithín05 Jul 202501:17:48

In this episode of The Holy Wild, Victoria Loorz speaks with Sean Ó Gaoithín, the lead gardener at Glenveagh National Park, Irish forest-tender and a third-level Hedge Druid, about his journey of ecological restoration, ancestral reconnection, and spiritual practice. They share how sacred relationship with land is remembered through language, biodiversity, and embodied gestures like Gaia Touch. Together, they explore insights on rewilding efforts in Donegal, the ancient Celtic festivals, declaring peace with nature through prayerful movement, and how despair and hope can both be holy as we return to sacred kinship with Earth.

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  • 00:00 Introduction
  • 08:38 The Seeded Wild Forest
  • 11:45 Donegal
  • 13:01 Indigenous Language As A Doorway
  • 16:12 "Ecology Is My Religion"
  • 17:46 Botanic Gardens Conservation International (BGCI)
  • 20:09 A Gardener Hopes For Eden
  • 25:01 Hope and Despair are both Holy
  • 26:06 Invasive Species
  • 28:45 Gaia Touch Earth Yoga
  • 31:34 Transmitters and Receivers
  • 34:43 The Fairies of Particular Places
  • 40:48 Declaring Peace
  • 43:51 Weeds Are Part of Biodiversity
  • 47:44 Generational Shift
  • 50:49 Sean's Druid Journey
  • 54:41 Order of Bards Ovates and Druids
  • 57:36 Celtic Annual Cycle
  • 60:54 The 7 Directions
  • 66:37 Being Drawn Home
  • 71:16 Sacred Invitation
  • 73:32 Ethan and Cherry Tree
  • 76:43 Outro
Remembering The World As Lover and As Self with Joanna Macy (In Memoriam)09 Aug 202500:48:58

In memory of Joanna Macy, we offer this recording from a Seminary of the Wild gathering where she spoke with radiant clarity about living through collapse with courage and love. She outlines four ancient ways of seeing the world—battlefield, trap, lover, and self—and invites us into the radical intimacy of belonging to a living Earth as lover and self. With humor and grace, she tells a story from Cosmicomics by Italian author Italo Calvino, in which the universe begins not with a bang, but with a generous offer to make pasta.


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Considering and discerning a call to be part of this new movement of ecospiritual direction? Apply today for the next cohort of the Seminary of the Wild Earth. The application deadline is August 15, 2025.


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  • 00:00 Introduction
  • 04:53 Joanna Macy begins—gratitude, interdependence, and uncertainty
  • 11:31 Choosing how to rebuild: worldview as a tool
  • 12:42 World as battlefield
  • 16:38 World as trap
  • 20:33 World as lover and world as self—belonging to a living world
  • 24:17 The Cosmicomics story: love, pasta, and the birth of the universe
  • 31:30 Transition from lover to self—nonduality and the ecological self
  • 33:00 Thich Nhat Hanh on evolutionary belonging
  • 35:00 Letting the Earth act through us—John Seed’s rainforest story
  • 38:30 Question session on deepening into intimacy
  • 45:41 Weekly wandering invitation: “What can I do for you?”
  • 47:38 Closing invitation and credits
What We are Learning from the Holy Wild about Spiritual Companionship with Deb Metzger and Elizabeth Rechter26 Jul 202500:57:08

What does it mean to listen with the Holy Wild? In this episode, Victoria Loorz is joined by Elizabeth Rechter and Deb Metzger—two seasoned spiritual companions and guides in the Eco-Spiritual Direction program from Seminary of the Wild Earth. Together they reflect on the sacred practice of holy listening in partnership with the more-than-human world, sharing stories of reciprocity, grief, and transformation that emerge from deep relationship with Earth. The conversation is both an invitation and a reminder: the wild trusts us, and in return, we are called to trust the holy within and all around us.


Considering and discerning a call to be part of this new movement of ecospiritual direction? Apply today for the next cohort of the Seminary of the Wild Earth. The application deadline is August 15, 2025.


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  • 08:58 What Is Spiritual Direction, Elizabeth?
  • 12:40 What Is Spiritual Direction, Deb?
  • 13:55 Including the rest of the alive world
  • 18:23 The Wild Approach
  • 20:05 Holding Space
  • 21:58 Reciprocity
  • 23:48 Stories of the Spirit Directed Wild
  • 27:03 Memory meeting us in the Wild
  • 31:30 The Wild Share Her Pain Too
  • 34:36 A Deconstruction The Culture That Has Incarcerated Us
  • 37:30 The Non-Judging Wild
  • 40:56 The Wild Trusts You
  • 41:43 You May Feed The Birds By Hand
  • 43:13 The Wind Speaks Of Suffering
  • 47:03 Meaning In and From Relationship
  • 49:18 The Playful Wild
  • 51:59 Invitation
  • 53:23 Valarie and a circle of Blue Violets
  • 55:59 Outro
When the Earth Speaks: Synchronicity, Story, and the Sacred with Dr. Craig Chalquist23 Aug 202501:01:55

In this episode of The Holy Wild, Victoria Loorz speaks with Dr. Craig Chalquist as they explore how to live through collapse with open hearts, grounding in love and relationship with Earth. They speak of healing false separations between spirit and matter, human and nature, psyche and place, and how imagination, story, and synchronicity can guide us into deeper belonging. Craig shares how dreams, fiction, and encounters with the more-than-human world invite us into sacred conversation rather than despair. Together they remind us that even in times of unraveling, new stories are already emerging and calling us to co-create them.

Craig Chalquist, Ph.D., Ph.D. is program director of Consciousness, Psychology, and Transformation at National University and a former associate provost and several other administrative and leadership roles. His background includes public presentations, group counseling, depth psychology, mythology, ecopsychology, terrapsychology, and philosophy and wisdom studies. He presents, publishes, and teaches at the intersection of psyche, story, nature, reenchantment, and imagination. He has published more than twenty books, including the hopeful Lamplighter Trilogy. His motto is: “Converse with everything!”

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  • 00:31 Intro
  • 05:31 Doing Spiritual Work In This Time
  • 09:07 Fiction's Place In The Wisdom Path
  • 12:11 A Sign Of Real Interconnection From A Teardrop Shaped Leaf
  • 14:50 Healing The False Separations
  • 18:10 Stage Settings Collapse
  • 20:53 The Place Of Resistance
  • 23:37 The Cycle Of The Human Story
  • 27:13 Relationshiping Is Aliveness
  • 29:37 Mythic Hero vs Savior
  • 31:18 The Storied Life Needs Hope
  • 34:56 New Stories Can't Be Stopped
  • 36:56 The Wild Balance Of Nature Goes Beyond Good And Evil
  • 43:02 Sacrifice Runs Deep
  • 45:10 Drawn Toward Reality Laboratories
  • 49:15 The Search For Certainty
  • 51:59 Religion As Reconnection Is Necessary
Awakening a Forest Sense: Grief, Mystery, and the Reformation of Faith with Michael Ellick07 Oct 202501:00:49

In this conversation, Victoria Loorz and pastor-activist Michael Ellick explore the lifelong dance between wilderness, spirit, and faith. Michael shares stories of his mystical childhood in the forests of Washington—his first teacher in wonder and interconnection—and how that early “forest sense” eventually brought him through disillusionment with the church into a deeper, embodied Christianity. Together they reflect on grief, reciprocity, and the call to live as part of creation rather than separate from it. From the undulating forest floor to Holy Saturday’s sacred grief, from ancient language to feminine images of the divine, this dialogue traces a hopeful reformation of faith rooted in relationship, wildness, and love.

Michael Ellick is the Lead Minister at University Congregational United Church of Christ in Seattle. A former community organizer and early leader in the Occupy movement, he works to help faith communities confront racism, colonialism, and disconnection from the natural world. Trained in comparative religion, philosophy, and depth psychology, he integrates insights from Christian, Buddhist, and Indigenous traditions in his ministry and teaching.


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  • 0:00 Introduction
  • 7:28 The Land Who Raised Michael
  • 9:20 Big Rock
  • 10:56 Forest Sense
  • 14:25 Coming Out Into the Wild
  • 15:50 Language to Speak Of
  • 18:24 What It Means to Be of a Place
  • 20:25 Swapping Image for the Real Thing
  • 22:56 Trained in Reciprocity
  • 26:10 There Is an If in Romans 8
  • 30:50 Separation Is Part of It
  • 34:17 Open to Grief
  • 40:19 Trickster Coyote
  • 44:45 Shifts from the Inside Edges
  • 50:08 The New Story
  • 55:53 Wild Invitation
  • 59:34 Credits
When Churches Reimagine Land as Sacred Community with Forrest Inslee24 Sep 202501:06:31

In this conversation, Victoria Loorz and Dr. Forrest Inslee explore how Christian faith is expanding beyond human-centered concerns into a vision of beloved community that embraces all of creation. Drawing from his work with Circlewood and the Earthkeepers podcast, Forrest shares stories of churches learning to “listen to the land,” embrace ecological discipleship, and practice what he calls co-powerment—partnership rooted in humility and reciprocity. Together, they reflect on how theology, community development, and lived experience can guide us toward a new story: one where spirituality is woven through relationship with soil, water, creatures, and the wider web of life.

Dr. Forrest Inslee is a teacher, ethnographer, and spiritual guide whose work bridges culture, ecology, and faith. He is Associate Director of Circlewood, where he helps cultivate communities of ecological consciousness, and also serves as a Guide with Seminary of the Wild Earth. Forrest hosts the Earthkeepers podcast, drawing on decades of experience as a professor, social entrepreneur, and cross-cultural practitioner. His life and work reflect a deep commitment to reimagining Christian faith as a practice of belonging within the whole community of creation.


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  • 00:00 – Introduction
  • 06:06 – Community Development Beyond Human-only Needs
  • 12:35 – Stories From The Inside Edges
  • 17:24 – Creation Care Is Part of Our Heritage
  • 19:28 – Redefining Cosmos
  • 22:48 – Listening To A Triangle of Land
  • 30:03 – Co-Powerment
  • 32:12 – The Transition is Holy and Messy
  • 36:26 – The Circlewood Vision
  • 42:04 – Collaborating Without Othering
  • 43:46 – Broadening The Vision
  • 45:10 – Integrating Vocation
  • 47:56 – Forrest’s “Landscaping” Experience
  • 51:43 – Coyote
  • 59:44 – Sacred Invitation
  • 61:34 – Harold and Honeybees
  • 64:29 – Credits
Wholeness as the Holy Work of Process Theology with Dr. Sheri Kling06 Sep 202500:59:34

In this episode of The Holy Wild, Victoria Loorz and Dr. Sheri Kling explore how personal trauma, dreamwork, and encounters with the natural world can become gateways into deeper wholeness and divine relationship. Sheri weaves process theology and Jungian psychology into lived stories of synchronicity, butterflies, and sacred encounters that remind us we are co-creators in an unfolding cosmos of meaning. What emerges is an invitation to trust the flow of becoming, where even separation is part of the holy dance that leads us back into connection with Earth, Spirit, and one another.

Dr. Sheri D. Kling, Ph.D., serves as the Director of Process & Faith (a multifaith network for relational spirituality under the Center for Process Studies) and is also the interim minister of Redeemer Lutheran Church in Bradenton, Florida. She earned her doctorate in Religion: Process Studies from Claremont School of Theology and brings together theology, depth psychology, mystical wisdom traditions, relational worldviews, and the intersections of spirituality and science to help individuals find meaning, belonging, and transformation. A theologian, teacher, songwriter, and spiritual mentor, Kling is a faculty member at the Haden Institute and Claremont School of Theology (adjunct), and authored A Process Spirituality: Christian and Transreligious Resources for Transformation; she also offers courses, concerts, retreats, and dynamic “Music & Message” presentations.


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  • 00:00 Introduction
  • 07:04 Sheri's Background, Looking For Belonging
  • 09:11 A Love Of Horses
  • 09:53 Suburban Nature And The Golf Course
  • 11:41 The North Georgia Mountains
  • 12:55 Finding Comfort In Nature From Trauma
  • 13:55 Finding The Divine Feminine
  • 14:31 Finding Home
  • 15:46 Emerging From Emotional Numbness
  • 17:46 Connecting With Jungian Work
  • 18:53 Deep Relationship With Place
  • 21:27 Introduction To Process Theology
  • 28:13 Connecting Inner Wholeness With Universal Wholeness
  • 31:44 Whitehead + Jung
  • 33:55 Dream Work And Syncronicity
  • 42:12 Transformational Practices Of Wholeness
  • 47:00 Sin And Separation As Necessary
  • 51:49 The Butterfly Pushing Out
  • 55:47 Invitation And A Story With A Chimpanzee
Indigenous Wisdom For the Edges of Western Spirituality with Randy Woodley22 Nov 202500:49:31

In this conversation with Victoria Loorz, Randy Woodley shares stories from his Cherokee lineage, his mother’s deep communion with plants and animals, and his decades of land based ministry at Eloheh Farm. Together they explore why many today stand on the "inside and outside edges" of the Christian story, the collapse of institutional religion, and how Creator often works through seasons of chaos. Woodley describes this era as a time of composting, where old systems break down so more relational and grounded ways of being can emerge. He invites listeners to let go of rigid categories and doctrines and return to what he calls our original human vocation: co-sustaining the community of creation through simple acts of love, reciprocity, and right relationship, where meals become communion, tending becomes prayer, and all beings are kin.

Rev. Dr. Randy Woodley, Ph.D., is a farmer, activist scholar, speaker, teacher, and Indigenous wisdom keeper whose work spans spirituality, justice, culture, racial diversity, regenerative farming, and our relationship with the Earth. 


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  • 00:00 – Introduction
  • 06:35 – Interview Starts
  • 08:14 – The Land Who Raised Randy
  • 10:08 – Academy Experience
  • 11:53 – Eloheh
  • 12:50 – Bridging Across the Edges
  • 15:09 – Widespread Abandonment of Institutionalized Western Religion
  • 19:05 – Replacing the Programs with Relationship
  • 23:56 – Co-Sustainers
  • 27:06 – Finding New Language
  • 31:15 – Becoming Rooted
  • 35:33 – Repairing the Separations
  • 37:57 – Seeds Are Our Treasure
  • 39:29 – The War on Indigenous Lands
  • 41:58 – Create Human Rights for the Earth
  • 43:40 – Sacred Clowns
  • 46:14 – Sacred Invitation
Love, Truth and the Living World with Andreas Weber08 Nov 202500:50:51

Biologist, biosemiotician, philosopher, and author of Matter and Desire: An Erotic Ecology, Andreas Weber, PhD, joins Victoria Loorz for a heartfelt conversation about reality as a sacred, living process of relationship - the continual desire to give life and what the heart knows as love. Together they explore how trauma causes us to forget our wholeness and how true healing is an act of remembering. Drawing on Sufi mysticism and the writings of Erich Fromm, Weber describes love as “the interest in the aliveness of the other” and names this time of global unraveling as a painful yet essential gift calling us to live in truth. Through stories of rivers, trees, & animals, he reveals how the more-than-human world restores trust, belonging, and courage. Blending science, mysticism, and deep ecology, you're invited you to sit with the living world, listen with an open heart, and remember that you are love, embodied and alive.

Dr Andreas Weber is a biologist, philosopher, and poet and teaches ecophilosophy and ecological aesthetics at the Berlin University of the Arts. He holds degrees in marine biology and cultural studies, earned his PhD in philosophy in with a dissertation titled in English “Nature as Meaning: An Attempt at a Semiotic Theory of the Living” .


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  • 0:00 — Introduction
  • 5:54 — Interview
  • 7:03 — Living Through Trauma and Pain
  • 10:38 — We Exist Only as Love
  • 13:32 — Dissolving at the Shore
  • 18:20 — Meeting Victoria’s More-Than-Human Neighbors
  • 19:58 — Defining the Sacred
  • 22:39 — Love Is the Interest in the Aliveness of the Other
  • 24:10 — Two Sides of Gifts
  • 27:37 — Our Era of Dying May Be a Gift
  • 31:37 — Religios Is Remembering It Has Always Been One
  • 35:43 — Resistance as Simply Truth
  • 39:27 — Truths About You and Your Heart
  • 47:56 — Wandering Invitation
Healing Displacement & the Scottish Art of Holding Opposites with Alastair McIntosh27 Oct 202501:01:42

In this episode of The Holy Wild, Scottish author and activist Alastair McIntosh explores the spiritual, historical, and ecological roots of our collective crisis of belonging. Grounded in the history of the Highland Clearances, he offers this chapter of Scotland’s past as a lens for understanding global patterns of displacement, from the enslavement of African peoples to the colonization of Indigenous lands and the refugees of our own time. He reveals how being unsettled from land fractures psyche and soul. Mcintosh invites a path toward compassion through the Scottish wisdom of Caledonian antisyzygy, the capacity to hold opposites. He weaves insights on complicity in capitalism, the moral paradoxes of renewable energy and wild land, and the call to reconcile inner and outer divisions. McIntosh calls for a re-membering of what has been dismembered- to rekindle community, restore reverence for the Earth, and awaken the soul of belonging in our time.

Alastair McIntosh is a Scottish writer, academic, and activist raised on the Isle of Lewis whose work spans spirituality, community, land reform, and ecology. An honorary professor at the University of Glasgow and currently serving as director of the GalGael Trust, he has been instrumental in Scottish campaigns such as the Isle of Eigg community buy-out and the defense of the Isle of Harris against a proposed mega-quarry. His most recognized book, Soil and Soul: People versus Corporate Power, stands alongside his most beautiful work, Poacher’s Pilgrimage, a twelve-day walk through the wilds and villages of his home islands of Lewis and Harris.


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  • 00:00 Introduction
  • 07:59 Interview
  • 09:47 The Spirituality of Place
  • 10:26 The Land Who Raised Alastair
  • 12:59 Community Sense for Sharing
  • 14:31 Communitarian Identity
  • 17:38 The Unsettling
  • 22:27 Mary Anne MacLeod
  • 24:44 Antisyzygy
  • 29:15 Dissecting the Scottish Wind Farm Conversation
  • 33:52 Returning to Local Thinking
  • 35:20 The Promise of Being Placed
  • 37:47 Connection with Soul
  • 39:04 Practical Expression
  • 42:58 The Darkest Times Is When the Human Spirit Comes Alive
  • 44:59 A Privilege to Live in Difficult Times
  • 45:52 The Rubric of Regeneration
  • 47:25 Alastair’s Current Work
  • 50:35 The Bronze Snake
  • 53:02 Palestine and Scotland
  • 58:31 Wild Invitation
  • 60:42 Credits
Grief, Kinship, and the Animals Who Guide Us with Professional Animal Communicators06 Dec 202500:59:07

In this conversation, Certified Soul Level Animal Communicators and grief-intuitive coaches from The Animal Communication Collective (ACC)Julie Hirt, Karen Dendy Smith, and Meredith Tollison—offer a vivid picture of animal communication as a soul-to-soul exchange that restores trust, deepens wholeness, and opens doorways to healing and transformation. They demystify why losing an animal often breaks us open more than losing a human, explore how animals help surface grief we have long buried, and share stories from clients who continue receiving guidance through images, humor, sensations, and inner knowing even after their animals have crossed the veil. The trio also reflect on how each of them slowly found their way back to the sacred after religious trauma, supported by magnolia trees, ocean wind, and the quiet companionship of the animals who stayed close to them. You can hear more from Julie, Karen, and Meredith on their own podcast, The Animal Communication podcast. 


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  • 00:00 — Introduction
  • 05:32 — Interview begins
  • 06:23 — Introducing Julie
  • 06:51 — Introducing Karen
  • 07:45 — Introducing Meredith
  • 08:28 — Unconditional love & authenticity
  • 13:33 — Julie’s grief origins
  • 16:02 — Karen’s grief origins
  • 17:41 — Meredith’s grief origins
  • 19:21 — Grief unlocked by companion animals
  • 22:34 — The felt sense of animals in spirit
  • 26:27 — The claires / intuitive senses
  • 30:48 — Accessing the sacred
  • 31:38 — Julie’s spiritual upbringing
  • 34:29 — Karen’s spiritual upbringing
  • 36:13 — Meredith’s spiritual upbringing
  • 38:21 — Reconnecting words
  • 41:34 — Why grief feels different with animals
  • 43:37 — Loss rituals
  • 44:44 — The “placeness” of animals
  • 54:38 — The animal communication collective
  • 56:43 — Wild invitation
  • 58:09 — Credits
Art & Technology As A Portal Into Kinship with Barnaby Steel31 Jan 202601:00:08

In this conversation, Victoria Loorz is joined by Barnaby Steel, artist and co-founder of Marshmallow Laser Feast, an experiential art collective devoted to awakening the senses and expanding perception through multisensory exhibits. Together, they explore how art, science, and imagination engage the illusion of separation, and how even controversial technologies like AI might be held in ways that deepen relationship rather than fragment it. In a time when technology often distracts and numbs, the conversation asks a different question: what if our tools could help us remember how to sense, feel, and belong in relationship?

Barnaby reflects on the roots of his creative life, shaped by deep observation, risk, and a willingness to let go. He shares stories about the collaborative experiences created when artists work with advanced technologies to translate scientific insight into lived experiences that extend our senses beyond their usual limits and inviting a felt experience of interconnection with breath, trees, sound, and the human body. Weaving themes of perception, ritual, grief, and awe, the episode considers immersive art as a modern rite of passage, not as an escape from the world, but as a return to it with softened defenses and renewed devotion to relationship.


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Timestamps:

  • 00:00 — Introduction
  • 06:57 — Interview Begins
  • 08:24 — The Land That Raised Barnaby
  • 11:17 — Existence Tissue
  • 15:19 — Marshmallow Laser Feast
  • 23:01 — Physical Reality Is Spiritual Reality
  • 32:51 — How Experience Shifts Us
  • 37:34 — Caring for Self Is Caring for All
  • 41:40 — Virtual Reality & Expanding Empathy
  • 45:56 — Changing Perception
  • 49:26 — Patterns of Consciousness
  • 53:19 — Falling in Love
  • 57:11 — A Wild Invitation
  • 58:58 — Credits
Animism, the Common Wild Tongue & Remembering Relationship with Rachel Fleming17 Jan 202601:00:58

In this conversation, Victoria Loorz is joined by Rachel Fleming, climate scientist, former Environment Agency policy advisor, writer, educator, and part of the Animate Earth founding circle. Together they explore modern animism, the remembering of the “common wild tongue,” and what it means to rebuild intimacy with a living, intelligent world. Rachel shares her journey bridging climate science, holistic ecology, and spiritual practice, reflecting on the limits of purely technical or policy-based responses to ecological collapse. Through stories of place, trees, and faithful return, the conversation traces the long human exile from belonging and the quiet emergence of a different way of being human rooted in listening, love, and relationship. Weaving themes of grief, beauty, ancestral memory, and hope, this episode invites listeners to remember that transformation rarely begins with grand solutions, but with simple, devoted acts of attention that restore our capacity to speak with and listen to the living world.


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Timestamps:

  • 07:26 – Interview begins with invocation
  • 10:18 – The mountain that raised Rachel
  • 14:37 – How Rachel comes to this work through science
  • 19:57 – Holistic science
  • 21:33 – Animate Earth
  • 25:59 – The common wild tongue
  • 31:10 – Bridging “woo”
  • 35:09 – It is actually simple
  • 38:20 – Evolution is a spiral
  • 42:49 – The importance of subtle work
  • 44:48 – Needed medicine
  • 47:19 – Interconnection goes so deep
  • 48:42 – The heart field
  • 51:55 – Neighbor ash tree
  • 55:38 – Rachel’s work
  • 57:54 – Invitation to advocacy
  • 59:53 – Credits
Refugia Faith, Creating Sanctuary & Finding Home with Debra Rienstra03 Jan 202600:54:24

In this conversation, Debra Rienstra, PhD, author of Refugia Faith and professor of English at Calvin University, joins Victoria Loorz to explore refugia, a biological term for small pockets of life that survive widespread environmental stress and become sources of regeneration after collapse. Debra invites us to imagine these protected pockets are also in our communities as forms of sanctuary amid increasingly uninhabitable social, spiritual, and ecological conditions. Together, they reflect on how small gatherings rooted in love for the land can counter paralysis in the face of global crisis and rewild our sense of vocation and voice. They explore the spiritual risk of loving places we may not own or keep, while naming how restoration begins through intimate, connected acts of care that allow life to persist and return.


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Timestamps:

  • 00:00 — Introduction
  • 03:48 — Refugia
  • 08:58 — Finding My Small Work
  • 11:44 — Deciding the Work Based on Context
  • 14:33 — Examples of Human Refugia
  • 20:21 — From Passivity to Citizenship
  • 24:21 — Loving Places That Are Only Yours for a Time
  • 29:36 — Choosing to Belong
  • 31:59 — Grieving Reality Together
  • 34:18 — Mitigation and Adaptation
  • 40:02 — A Kalo Farmer in Relationship With the Land
  • 43:04 — The Book of Nature & Pantheism Paranoia
  • 46:30 — The Wild Edge
  • 50:03 — Wild Invitation
  • 53:24 — Credits
Earth, Soul & Learning Reciprocity from Trees with Leah Rampy20 Dec 202500:49:39

In this conversation, author of Earth and Soul: Reconnecting Amid Climate Chaos, speaker, retreat leader and longtime spiritual formation guide Leah Rampy joins Victoria Loorz to explore spirituality as a lived relationship to the natural world—where trees are kin, not symbols, and reciprocity replaces extraction. Leah reflects on her journey from corporate life into a decolonizing spirituality & leadership rooted in ecological belonging, sharing stories of black walnut trees, Wild Church as a practice of community and communion, and the slow unlayering of protective armor. Together, they reflect on how awe and grief must be held together, how the deepest forms of communion exceed language, and how remembering ourselves as part of a living, interwoven world can restore wholeness in a time of collective unraveling.


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Timestamps:

  • 00:00 — Introduction
  • 02:57 — Interview begins
  • 04:36 — Leah’s background
  • 07:30 — A calling to educate
  • 11:38 — The power of storytelling
  • 13:20 — The black walnut tree
  • 17:05 — Decolonizing the soul
  • 20:33 — Communication in community
  • 23:26 — Seeking to know how we cause harm
  • 27:05 — Bearing witness
  • 28:39 — Church of the Wild: Two Rivers
  • 33:59 — Love beyond words
  • 35:08 — Communion
  • 37:26 — Trees as ancient teachers of life
  • 41:34 — Giving and receiving
  • 46:33 — A wandering invitation
  • 48:38 — Credits
The Path of True Eldership with Mac Macartney14 Feb 202600:47:21

In this conversation, Victoria Loorz connects with speaker, writer, and mentor Mac Macartney, founder of Embercombe, a UK educational charity and 50-acre retreat and rewilding site dedicated to the flourishing future of all species. In Victoria’s words, Mac is one of our generation’s true elders. He speaks from decades of lived apprenticeship, shaped by not fitting the dominant culture, by failure that became a gift, and by a lifelong search for home. His voice carries the embodied wisdom of someone who has moved through exile, betrayal, and the seduction of power, and chosen integrity.

Mac reflects on decades of learning and on the unlearning required to remember the value of the miracle we were born into. He speaks of decency over brilliance, of integrity in the face of power, and of offering one’s gifts for the sake of future generations. At its heart, this is a conversation about integrity, about remaining in the field as long as one is able, and about creating places where there is no hiding truth.


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Timestamps:

  • 00:00 – Introduction
  • 05:15 – Interview Begins
  • 12:09 – Embercombe
  • 18:57 – Finding the Teachings We Need
  • 24:30 – Letting the Gurus Go
  • 26:58 – The Cycles of Human Becoming
  • 29:53 – Born Into Cosmic Ceremony
  • 32:14 – The Grief of Worldview Shifts
  • 34:48 – Visited by Earth Elders
  • 40:22 – A Benediction for Being Human
  • 44:11 – Wild Invitation
  • 46:12 – Credits
Wild Seasonal Rituals of Aliveness with Daniel Cooperrider16 Mar 202600:53:57

In this conversation, Victoria Loorz speaks with Daniel Cooperrider, writer, ecotheologian, and pastor of Flicker Wild Church in Madison, Wisconsin, and author of Speak with the Earth and It Will Teach You and the forthcoming Live Each Season as It Passes. Daniel reflects on what he calls his lifelong “ecological conversion” and on the growing Wild Church movement, which is reimagining wild spiritual with community through outdoor gatherings rooted in the land, the seasons, and relationship with the more than human world.

Together, they explore what it means to practice a “liturgy of the land” through outdoor spiritual community, seasonal ritual, and what Daniel calls “campsite thinking,” a way of gathering that embraces impermanence and presence rather than institutional permanence. The dialogue also reflects on earth empathy, mortality, and how sacred practices like communion and baptism might be reimagined through deeper relationship with water, landscape, and place, inviting us to rediscover our place within a living Earth.


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Timestamps:

  • 00:00 — Introduction
  • 05:09 — Interview Begins
  • 06:37 — Daniel’s Ecological Conversion
  • 08:58 — Inviting In Daniel’s Neighbors
  • 10:14 — Hearing the Call of Seasonality
  • 14:06 — Welcoming Victoria’s Neighbors
  • 14:46 — Flicker Wild Church
  • 15:51 — Cathedral and Campsite Thinking
  • 19:39 — Holding Space with Mortality
  • 23:32 — Availing and Allying
  • 27:10 — Kinship All the Way Up and All the Way Down
  • 27:47 — Midroll: Wild Church Network
  • 28:41 — The Waves of Possibility
  • 31:52 — Ancient Wisdoms Integrating with Technology
  • 35:14 — Finding and Becoming Indigenous
  • 38:28 — Re-Story-ing Our Place
  • 42:45 — Engaging the Rituals of Aliveness
  • 46:01 — A Sabbatical of Water Spirituality
  • 49:02 — Closing
  • 50:48 — Wild Invitation
  • 52:58 — Credits
Legalizing Kinship with César Rodríguez-Garavito28 Feb 202600:44:37

In this conversation, Victoria Loorz speaks with legal scholar César Rodríguez-Garavito, founding director of MOTH (More Than Human Life) at NYU School of Law and a leading voice in multispecies justice. César has led landmark climate change, rights of nature, and Indigenous rights cases, including serving on the Science Panel for the Amazon and as an expert witness before the Inter-American Court of Human Rights.

Together, they delve into César’s collaboration with Project CETI, which uses AI and non invasive technologies to study sperm whale communication. They explore the audacious possibility that whales might one day be heard in court not as property or evidence, but as subjects with legally recognized voices and interests. At its core, this dialogue is about dismantling human supremacy, crafting ethical guardrails for emerging technologies, and midwifing a shift from dominance to kinship.


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Timestamps:

  • 00:00 – Introduction
  • 07:35 – Interview Begins
  • 08:16 – Formed By Columbia
  • 10:52 – Spiritual Formation
  • 11:50 – Learning the Language of Sperm Whales
  • 14:44 – Expanding The Understanding of More Than Human
  • 18:41 – Letting the Whales Testify For Themselves
  • 21:17 – The Birthing Rings of Sperm Whales
  • 26:28 – Gentle Technology and Ethical Guidelines
  • 32:19 – Imagining the Future of Multispecies Justice
  • 38:59 – How To Connect
  • 41:45 – Wild Invitation
  • 43:37 – Credits
A Year of Sacred Conversation with Victoria Loorz28 Mar 202600:55:41

In this one-year anniversary episode of The Holy Wild, Victoria Loorz is joined by producer Stephen Henning for a reflective conversation marking the close of Season One and the threshold of what’s next. Together, they revisit the heart of the podcast, sacred conversation as a living practice, and explore how a year of dialogue has deepened their understanding of relationship with the more-than-human world. Along the way, they reflect on the challenge of language itself, and how learning to speak, however imperfectly, about encounters with the holy and the wild is part of restoring those relationships.

The conversation then explores the Seminary of the Wild Earth journey and the invitation it offers, not as a program to complete, but as a container for transformation through practice, community, and deepening relationship with place. Victoria and Stephen reflect on the process of discernment for those considering entering this immersive year of rewilding. They explore what it means to feel the pull toward this work, what it asks of those who say yes, and how to recognize whether this is the right season to step more fully into a life shaped by the holy wild.


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Timestamps:

  • 0:00 Introduction
  • 2:34 Welcoming in Our Neighbors
  • 5:08 Reflecting on Season 1
  • 11:27 Languaging About Language
  • 20:39 Seminary of the Wild
  • 25:24 Midroll
  • 25:57 Rhythms of the Seminary
  • 34:09 Discerning the Call of the Holy Wild
  • 40:23 Stephen’s Dream of White Crow
  • 53:07 Sacred Invitation
  • 54:32 Credits
Listening Across Species: What Animals Know with Dr. Vanessa Wijngaarden11 Apr 202601:15:48

In this conversation, Victoria Loorz speaks with Dr. Vanessa Wijngaarden, social anthropologist and founder of ANICOM, a European research project exploring intuitive interspecies communication across cultures and contexts. Vanessa reflects on her years living with Maasai communities in East Africa, where immersive fieldwork cracked open a radically relational way of seeing the world, rooted in the cosmology of Osotua, a word meaning "umbilical cord," in which who you are is defined entirely by your relationships. 

Together they explore what it might mean if animals, land, and the more than human world have something urgent and necessary to say to us right now, and whether we still have the capacity to hear them. Vanessa's research brings together indigenous knowledge holders, professional animal communicators, and hard scientists to ask whether other beings might be participants in knowledge making rather than objects of study. The answers emerging are surprising, humbling, and full of hope — and why recovering our ancient capacity to truly listen across species may be one of the most profound spiritual and scientific invitations of our time.


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  • Vanessa's Website: vanessawijngaarden.com
  • ANICOM's Website: anicom.uliege.be
  • Film: Maasai Speak Back (Trailer)
  • Article (osotua): Wijngaarden, V. & Paul Nkoitoi Ole Murero. 2023. Osotua and decolonizing the academe: Implications of a Maasai concept. In: Curriculum Perspectives 43(Suppl 1): 33-46. Special Issue: Narrowing the Gap Beyond Tokenism: Transdisciplinary Search for Innovative Approaches in the Integration of Indigenous Knowledge Systems and Epistemologies in Higher Education. DOI : 10.1007/s41297-023-00190-2. Abstract and full text
  • Article: Wijngaarden, Vanessa In print. Secularization and decolonization of the academe: In conversation with African faiths and knowledges. In: The Palgrave Handbook of Decolonising Knowledge in Africa.
  • Article (lion and cat): Wijngaarden, Vanessa 2023. Interviewing animals through animal communicators: Potentials of intuitive interspecies communication for multispecies methods. In: Society and Animals 32 (5/6): 519-539. DOI: 10.1163/15685306-bja10122. Full text

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Timestamps:

  • 00:00 — Introduction
  • 03:58 — Interview Begins
  • 05:39 — The Land Who Raised Vanessa
  • 08:30 — Osotua
  • 11:19 — Building Trust in Relationship
  • 16:56 — Humpback Whale Encounter
  • 17:52 — Wallaby Encounter
  • 18:26 — Fasting During Deer Encounter
  • 20:23 — Normalizing Relationship
  • 21:13 — Research in Animal Communication
  • 25:17 — Starting with the Experiential
  • 26:31 — Unseparating Professional and Personal
  • 31:05 — ANICOM
  • 34:44 — Lion Says
  • 36:09 — The Theme of the Alive World
  • 38:38 — Intuitive Interspecies Communication or IIC
  • 39:23 — Conversation with a House Cat
  • 43:08 — Restoration of Trust and Earth Power
  • 51:01 — Victoria Falls Tourists
  • 54:12 — Wonder in the Mountains
  • 55:24 — Elephant Encounter
  • 57:24 — Changing the Ethics of Relational Research
  • 61:39 — Reciprocity of Approach
  • 66:03 — Next Threshold
  • 68:51 — Real and True
  • 71:49 — Wild Invitation
  • 74:38 — Credits
The Grief and Grounding of a Climate Scientist with Dr. Peter Kalmus25 Apr 202600:55:59

In this conversation, Victoria Loorz speaks with Dr. Peter Kalmus, astrophysicist-turned-climate scientist, NASA researcher, author, and activist. Peter's radical integrity has taken him from searching for gravitational waves to growing his own food, refusing to fly for twelve years, and chaining himself to doors in acts of civil disobedience.


Together, they explore the layers of grief that come with truly loving a planet in crisis and the spiritual disconnection underlying ecological destruction. What does it mean to love the planet not as a cause but as a being? What might it look like to move from the urgency of fixing into the slower, harder work of reconnection? The conversation also wanders into meditation, ego death, the empathy required to grieve a forest, and the strange fertility of not knowing — inviting us to consider that staying in the unknowing may itself be a spiritual practice. This conversation is for anyone sitting with the unknowing of this moment, and wondering if that might, somehow, be exactly where they need to be.


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Timestamps:

  • 00:00 — Introduction
  • 05:16 — Interview Begins
  • 09:07 — The Choice To Not Fly
  • 12:50 — Integrity Through Life Experiment
  • 15:54 — Layers of Integrity Under Systems
  • 17:11 — Civil Disobedience
  • 22:33 — Unmoored
  • 23:52 — The Discipline of Meditation
  • 26:09 — Disconnection Belongs In The Cycle
  • 28:12 — The Holy Local Tribe
  • 30:20 — Aging Into Eldership
  • 33:18 — Grounding Practices
  • 39:33 — Loving Kindness For Yourself
  • 42:57 — Trail Encounter with the Universe
  • 45:36 — Encounter with Ego Death
  • 48:51 — Expansive Meditation Encounter
  • 53:08 — Wild Invitation
  • 54:50 — Credits
Liturgies, Myth, and the Age of the Wolf with Martin Shaw09 May 202600:44:46

In this conversation, Victoria Loorz speaks with Dr. Martin Shaw, mythologist, storyteller, wilderness rites-of-passage guide, and author of seventeen books, including his latest New York Times bestseller, Liturgies of the Wild: Myths That Make Us. Dr. Shaw is the director of the Westcountry School of Myth and founder of the Oral Tradition and Mythic Life courses at Stanford University.

Together, they explore the tension between wildness and discipline, myth and religion, exile and return. The conversation wanders through Dartmoor folklore, Orthodox liturgy, the role of beauty and ritual in a disenchanted age, and the deep hunger many people feel for forms of spirituality rooted in mystery, embodiment, and the living world. Martin reflects candidly on what has quietly shifted in him since reconnecting  with the Christian story the spiritual consequences of disconnection from land, and a story that didn’t make the final cut of his book — one that illuminates the challenge of this moment: how to ride the "age of the wolf" with courage and faith.


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Timestamps:

  • 00:00 — Introduction
  • 06:03 — Interview Begins
  • 10:56 — Re-exploring The Old Stories
  • 13:47 — Living Fidelity of Place
  • 18:24 — Discipline of the Wild
  • 20:42 — What’s Our Current Story?
  • 24:41 — The Age of the Wolf
  • 28:31 — The Religious Has a Place
  • 31:22 — Eastern Orthodox Expressions
  • 34:06 — How Jesus Changes Love
  • 39:05 — Martin’s Wild Threshold
  • 42:03 — Wild Invitation
  • 43:36 — Credits
Mentoring In Relationship with the More-Than-Human World with Jon Young23 May 202600:57:52

In this conversation, Victoria Loorz speaks with Jon Young, award-winning wildlife tracker, storyteller, mentor, and author of influential books including What the Robin Knows. Since 1979, Jon has researched a single theme: why do some social groupings of people consistently facilitate deep nature connection, while others do not? Drawing from Indigenous wisdom traditions, mentoring lineages, and his own lifelong relationship with the living world, Jon has spent decades exploring how humans cultivate deep connection with nature, self, and community.


Together, they explore the lost art of mentoring and the ancient discipline of bird language as a doorway back to the connected mind. Jon reflects on the grandmothers and elders who shaped him, his decades of work with Indigenous communities including the Naro people of the Kalahari, and a vision from his annual self-reflection practice — one that carries an urgent message from future generations about what this moment is asking of us.


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Timestamps:

  • 00:00 — Introduction
  • 03:59 — Interview Begins
  • 05:07 — The Land Who Raised Jon
  • 08:08 — An Enclaved Family
  • 12:06 — Grandmotherly “Tricks”
  • 14:10 — 10 Year Old Jon Meets Tom Brown
  • 18:46 — The Naro People
  • 22:34 — The Lifetime of Mentoring
  • 26:37 — The 5 Needs For Mentorship
  • 28:04 — The 10 Stones of Connection
  • 36:24 — Needed Reflection
  • 37:56 — Deep Bird Language
  • 45:58 — Restoring Our Connective Capacity
  • 49:05 — The Message from Future Generations
  • 53:41 — Wandering Invitation
  • 55:49 — Credits
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