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Lord Nigel Biggar's Call to Intellectual Action
lundi 17 mars 2025 • Durée 07:21
Nigel Biggar, former guest on The Flâneur and the Philosopher among other honorifics, shared today his lecture, “The Spirit of Truth: The Call to Intellectual Public Service.”
Dr. Biggar was Regius Professor of Moral and Pastoral Theology at the University of Oxford from 2007 to 2022. This January, he became a baron and a Conservative member of the House of Lords.
Lord Biggar of Castle Douglas (as he is now known) is a modern example of the intellectual man of action and a Christian realist. I was very inspired by his words, in which he commended and justified this very calling to his audience:
I am aware that I opted for an academic career partly because I have a certain personality: quite cautious, wanting time to observe and reflect and work things out, unwilling to decide until fully ready, careful to cover and protect every angle, averse to risk. (Well, at least I used to be!) Such a personality develops a characteristic set of virtues, of course, but it is not well suited to making momentous and risky decisions under intense pressure. I have a great deal of respect, therefore, for other people, no less intelligent than I, who have chosen—or been fated to choose—careers and roles that are heavy with front-line responsibility and light with the leisure to reflect. I sympathise very greatly with those whom Reinhold Niebuhr nicely called “the burden-bearers of the world”.
Those of us whose personality inclines us toward study may relish the virtues of slow, careful thought. But we must not look down on those who shoulder responsibilities that require quicker decision-making on matters of great weight, risking error.
Yet, in sympathizing with those in power, many worry that intellectuals will become but tools of power:
[When] Cian O’Driscoll…wrote that just war theorists like me are inevitably part of “the war-machine” that we are trying to constrain, and that we therefore stand in danger of coming so close to the flame of power that we get burnt by it, I protested. I understand what he means. Institutions do acquire a momentum of their own—sometimes perverse—that is hard to stop, and well-meaning individuals need to take care lest they get carried away. Nevertheless, it struck me that where Cian saw a machine, I saw faces—the faces of friends in public office, who are, I think, more morally reflective and sensitive than the average citizen, humbler, less sanctimonious, and who have shouldered responsibilities and taken risks that academics like me have chosen careers to evade. It is widely recognised among academics that remoteness from the exercise of executive power yields the important advantage of critical distance. What is less recognised is that it also occasions a grave temptation—a temptation to relish too much the self-flattering role of righteous prophet, to indulge in wishful thinking, to daydream among the ‘what-ifs’, and never to grasp the necessary nettle.
The intellectual’s critical distance can also be an occasion of pride and self-righteousness.
A few paragraphs later, Dr. Biggar references Augustine as a theologian keenly aware of the dangers of making ethical and political judgments, especially when lives, and one’s own ethical purity, hang in the balance.
But:
Augustine did not flee. He did not run away. He stayed. He continued to shoulder the responsibilities of bishop, which, as the Roman Empire crumbled around him, were increasingly those of government. He kept up pastoral correspondence with military tribunes like Boniface and Marcellinus, whose Christian consciences were troubled by what they had to do. With them he lamented the tragic dilemmas of political life, but he did not flinch from facing them. He staggered onward, rejoicing.
And note: none of this prevented Augustine from developing the prophetic critique of the Roman Empire that became The City of God. He stands, therefore, as a shining example of one who took the risk of coming close to the flame of power and yet was not consumed by it—of one who risked played pastor and yet could still play prophet.
In our youth, it is easy to criticize those in authority as pawns in a system. Especially as an intellectual or academic, one can wield one’s faculties of judgment upon others, while evading judgment ourselves. Having not yet assumed worldly responsibility, no one could pin any blame upon us for compromise with the system.
But the task of mature manhood is to unite thought and action. Having reflected and come to judgments that are truly one’s own, we must embody those thoughts in action. In doing so, our thoughts must themselves compromise with the messy reality in which we live.
The man of action is, therefore, a sinner. Bonhoeffer writes:
“Jesus took upon Himself the guilt of all men, and for that reason every man who acts responsibly becomes guilty. If any man tries to escape guilt in responsibility, … He sets his own personal innocence above his responsibility for men, and he is blind for the more irredeemable guilt which he incurs precisely in this.” (Ethics, 241)
Bonhoeffer, good Lutheran that he was, comforted us that the doctrine of justification by faith frees us to sin boldly, as we must.
Please give “The Spirit of Truth,” from Lord Nigel Biggar, a listen (or a read).
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Jesus Asks of Us More than Jordan Peterson
lundi 3 mars 2025 • Durée 19:56
In his opening address to the Alliance for Responsible Citizenship (ARC), Jordan Peterson argued that the Christian foundation for civilization is this:
“Reciprocal, voluntary self-sacrifice.”
Peterson illustrated with the form of sacrifice we all learn first:
When a child learns to make a friend, he learns necessarily, the principle of sacrificial reciprocity.
“I have a turn, then you have a turn. I have a turn, then you have a turn.”
The sacrifice there is that it’s not always my turn.
And that sacrificial reciprocity is the…foundational principle of the reciprocity upon which even the most primordial forms of society…are predicated.
Reciprocal self-sacrifice is fundamental to political society. The kind of sacrifice Peterson praises requires us to transcend hedonism and self-absorption.
[Last week, I reacted to Peterson’s ARC address in this post.]
Societies that cannot establish reciprocity and the ability to sacrifice one for another, and one’s present for one’s future, remain mired in hedonism. Collectively, they remain in barbarism.
To achieve civilization, humans must rise to the level of reciprocal self-sacrifice:
The principle of voluntary upward self sacrifice [is] the foundation of the community, as the foundation of abundance itself, as the precondition for the trust and reciprocity that enables us to compete and to cooperate so that we can produce societies that are endlessly productive.
Now many criticize Peterson for instrumentalizing religion, either for psychology or politics. (Last week, subscriber Paul P. sent me this Catholic example.)
This criticism misses the mark, though not because Peterson’s focus transcends psychology or politics, but because Peterson is right about psychology and politics.
But there is one place where Peterson errs.
At least in this speech, he interprets the fundamental principle of Christianity as reciprocal self-sacrifice. Reciprocal sacrifice, like that of the child above, exhibits natural justice, the kind of mutuality and “giving to each his due” on which political society is indeed founded.
Yet, following the great opponents of civilizational Christianity, Tolstoy and Kierkegaard, Paul Kingsnorth has argued that the Christian ethic is not the kind of mutual back-scratching that founds a civilization and leads to GDP growth. It is a kind of self-sacrifice that incurs loss and is folly from a worldly or civilizational perspective.
And in this, Kingsnorth et al. have more than a grain of exegetical truth:
If you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that. And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full. But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. (Luke 6:33-35)
We could update it: “If you sacrifice five minutes with your toy in order to gain five other minutes with your toy, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that.”
In other words, the ethic of reciprocal sacrifice, i.e., natural justice, is not the distinctively Christian ethic. It is the natural law. And even sinners, Gentiles, and non-Christians often abide by it.
What then is the distinctively Christian ethic? And how does it relate to reciprocal sacrifice and the natural law?
The New Commandment
Christ frequently affirms that what he is teaching does not abolish but fulfills the old law and the creation order:
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. — Matthew 5:17
“Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” — Matthew 19:4-6
He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. — Matthew 19:8
Jesus reaffirmed the moral law, of the Old Testament and of nature.
However, at a crucial juncture, Christ told his disciples that he was giving them a new commandment. If he is to be believed, this commandment was not in the Law and the Prophets. It was not man’s duty by nature. And it is not something that even sinners do.
What is it? “That you love one another:” (John 13:34b).
[Brakes screeching]
Hold on, Jesus.
That’s not a new commandment.
It’s in Leviticus 19:18: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
You, Jesus, said that it was the second greatest commandment and, together with “Love the Lord your God,” it summed up the Law and Prophets (Matt 22:36-40).
You can’t actually mean that that commandment is new.
That is a very natural reaction. But there are two problems with it.
* In the next verse, Jesus says that, “By this, all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another” (John 13:35).
But wouldn’t it just make you a good Old Testament Hebrew if you loved your neighbor as yourself? It wouldn’t mark you out as a disciple of Christ.
Exactly, so Jesus must be talking about something more.
And,
* You cut me off when I was quoting the first verse: “That you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another” (John 13:34b-c).
“Just as I have loved you.” But wait, Jesus says these words as he’s about to go to the cross to offer his life for the sins of the world.
And Jesus’ sacrifice is radically new in human history.
Jesus’ death was the ultimate act of self-sacrifice. It was not an act of reciprocal self-sacrifice. It was not mutual.
In fact, moments later, Jesus predicted that Peter would not lay his life down for him but deny him three times (John 13:38).
Jesus sacrificed himself for us without expecting anything in return.
And in his new commandment, he asks us to do the same for one another.
The Natural Law and the New Commandment
Now Jordan Peterson might be correct that reciprocal sacrifice is the foundation of civilization. Civilization requires individuals to make sacrifices for each other and for the community as a whole. It rewards these sacrifices with mutual benefit, safety, and prosperity.
But what if Paul Kingsnorth et al. are also correct that Christ’s new commandment demands something at odds with political and economic prudence?
In fact, it appears that they are.
Political peace, for instance, is built on mutually assured destruction.
But Christ says, “Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also” (Matt 5:39).
The modern economy is built on lending at interest, based on expectation of repayment.
But Christ says, “Lend to them without expecting to get anything back” (Luke 6:35).
Natural justice is built on short-term sacrifice for mutual benefit, doing good to those who do good to us.
But Jesus says, “if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that. … But love your enemies, do good to them” (Luke 6:33, 35).
Peterson correctly identifies the ethic that gives a foundation to civilization.
But Kingsnorth correctly identifies that the kind of sacrifice Christ commands contradicts that ethic.
If this is so, then there is an irreconcilable tension between civilization and Christianity.
Tension or Extension?
But the objection to this conclusion comes from Christ’s own lips:
I did not come to abolish [the Law and the Prophets], but to fulfill them. (Matt 5:17)
The new thing Christ brings, both in his atonement and his example and ethic, does not contradict or abolish the law. (Think both Old Testament law and natural law.)
In theological shorthand:
Grace does not abolish nature, but restores and perfects it.
The new commandment doesn’t subtract from the old commandments, Jesus says. The new commandment fulfills and adds to the old:
“For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven” (Matt 5:20).
Christ’s new commandment is not in tension with the old; it is an extension beyond the old.
Jesus Christ asks of us even more than Jordan Peterson does.
Three Ways Christ Asks More, But No Less
You can see the new commandment extend beyond the natural law in various dimensions of Christ’s teaching.
i. Marriage and Celibacy
Christ reaffirmed the creation ordinance of marriage, calling the Pharisees back to the first and second chapters of Genesis (Matt 19:1-9).
But he also opened up the possibility of celibacy as an honorable path for the Christian, one that will be greatly rewarded (Matt 19:10-12).
Christ’s reaffirmation of marriage indicates that Aaron Renn is correct to caution the urban church against overplaying the goodness of singleness and underplaying that of marriage and family.
But Christ’s extension of blessing to “eunuchs” indicates that Grant Hartley and other members of Side B, and Sam Allberry are also correct to argue that the church has idolized marriage and family, neglecting the good of celibacy.
(King Laugh and I explored the controversial idea of marriage idolatry with David Frank and TJ Espinoza in this podcast episode.)
We must obey God’s natural law with regard to marriage and sexuality, but we can and must also transcend it.
ii. Christian Economics
On economics, Christian defenders of free market conservatism are right to defend the moral legitimacy of mutual exchange in a market economy. At the same time, critics of economic libertarianism are correct to highlight market failures and inequality of bargaining power in labor markets. So far, natural justice.
But purveyors of redemptive entrepreneurship are also correct to argue that Christian entrepreneurship can and should go beyond fair, mutual exchange. As managing partner at Praxis Sajan George argues, while ethical entrepreneurship argues for “I win, you win,” redemptive entrepreneurship holds to the principle of “I lose, you win.”
Rather than being contrary to good business, to practice “self-disadvantaging meaningful sacrifices” requires good business abilities to carry out (Tanner Gesek’s words). One unskilled in business might choose, out of Christian piety, to incur a loss; but, this could simply end his business and ability to exercise generosity and self-sacrifice.
Kingsnorth recounts this reply and responds to it:
After all, as one critic pointed out, if we don’t create wealth, how are we going to distribute it to the poor?
Sheesh. Give me Tolstoy any day of the week. — Paul Kingsnorth, “The Vagabond King”
While easy to dismiss as a kind of capitalist cope, the principle is inescapable.
Even the smallholder or the urban homesteader must make a living in order to live the simple and generous life.
iii. Immigration
The apparent tension between the natural law and the new commandment has broken out into the political domain in debates over immigration.
Christian and non-Christian advocates of, in the US, not enforcing immigration laws and, in European nations, restricting Muslim immigration appeal to compassion and self-sacrificial love as reasons to be more liberal on immigration. Christians appeal to Old Testament provisions for the stranger and the foreigner and to Christ’s teaching.
Meanwhile, some Christian advocates of immigration enforcement and restriction have appealed to the natural law, to natural limits, and to the ordo amoris as reasons to maintain the integrity of national community prior to aid to non-citizens. Brad Littlejohn’s “Theology of Immigration” (First Things) is a great example of this. Vice President J. D. Vance’s famous remarks are another.
There doesn’t have to be tension here. I have been reflecting recently that I grew up with a vision of faith that was very focused on helping the poor, the minority, and the immigrant.
But I never once thought or heard another Christian even suggest that this had implications for national immigration policy until I was in a graduate degree.
Why? Because the biblical and the Christian call is to love “the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you” (Lev. 19:34). It is not to allow anyone who desires to enter the borders of your polity to do so.
A state may have many reasons to allow and even encourage immigration. The Christian openness to love of others beyond the circle of one’s natural attachments will undoubtedly have some implications for Christian thinking about immigration policy.
(And the economic libertarians have, I think, even superior arguments against right-wing restrictionism.)
But what levels of immigration should be permitted and how strictly laws should be enforced are questions of political prudence, not Christian principle.
In this case too, the new commandment does not subtract from the old commandments and from the natural law; it adds to them. In addition to living in accord with natural justice, exercising reciprocal sacrifice, we must exercise self-sacrificial love.
But even as Christ asks more, he asks no less than Peterson and the natural law:
“These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others” (Matt 23:23).
Sacrifice and the Social Good
At present, then, Jordan Peterson is flattening a significant dichotomy within biblical teaching:
The principle of self-sacrifice, embodied in Christ’s passion, is not that of reciprocal sacrifice, on which civilization is indeed founded. It is something more.
But true self-disadvantaging sacrifice does not contradict reciprocal sacrifice, but extends beyond it.
What is more, a venerable, if recent tradition argues that even the truly Christian principle of sacrifice without expecting a return contributes to political well-being.
Hannah Arendt argued that the principle of Christian forgiveness is necessary to put an end to adjudication of past misdeeds. Conditions of natural justice require forgiveness that is indeed willing to leave some wrongs unrecompensed.
René Girard argued that social peace requires the sacrificial scapegoat. Cycles of retributive justice and tribal warfare can come to an end only through sacrifice.
And I would argue that natural justice and finite human flourishing are increased by the costly good works Christians and others perform that will never be repaid in this life. In fact, the willingness to do good for the community that will not be repaid is at the heart of the role people like Socrates and Peterson play.
Peterson’s rise to prominence was precipitated by a willingness to suffer harm for the good of the community. His courage was rewarded with fame but also punished with criticism, slander, cancellation, and eventually, nearly-fatal health complications.
Peterson’s sacrifice, I would argue, was never reciprocal. While he may have been rewarded, including financially, nothing can recompense the loss of scholarly and clinical reputation, the physical suffering, and the withering criticism to which he has been subjected.
In his own person, Peterson displays a kind of sacrifice that goes beyond the reciprocal.
And that kind of sacrifice, “the sacrifice that tends towards the ultimate,” is required to restore a broken and faltering civilization.
Christ himself indicated that self-disadvantaging sacrifice would not be temporally useless:
Jesus said, “Truly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or lands, for my sake and for the gospel, who will not receive a hundredfold now in this time, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions, and in the age to come eternal life.” (Mark 10:29-30)
This is Christian civilization: “Houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions.”
And it is a prelude to the city, the civitas, even the “civilization of God” to come.
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The Marks of Authoritarian Ecclesiology
lundi 27 mai 2024 • Durée 01:43:21
Dr. Joseph Minich, residential teaching fellow at The Davenant Institute, joins King Laugh - before you go further, subscribe to his Substack, Laughing with God - and Joel Carini this week on The Flâneur and the Philosopher. Our topic is the ideology of Mark Dever’s Nine Marks ministry. While on the face of it, designed to limit the pastor’s authority to the word of God, we detect in Nine Marks’ teaching an unjust accruing of authority to the sole preaching pastor.
Dr. Minich tells us about his review of Jonathan Leeman’s Political Church, an account of church authority arising from Nine Marks’ ministry. Leeman, in that book, attempts to argue that pastors have a spiritual authority, less than that of God, but greater than that of any congregant with a Bible. But is that the nature of church office and church authority? Or is there no spiritual distinction between clergy and laity?
King Laugh and I also present our critique of the ideology of expository preaching and the church-focused Christian life. It is laudable to aspire only to preach what is consistent with biblical teaching. And yet, in so restraining the pastor, we deny the capacity and duty of exercising human reason and judgment, which are the only way to apply Scripture to the messy complexities of concrete life. Given that the pastor is not the expert on life in all its complexity, this also opens up a parity among wise, mature Christian individuals: the priesthood of all believers.
This summer, Dr. Minich will be offering a course at Davenant House, “Reading the Bible and the World: Protestant Wisdom Foundations I.” Learn more and sign up here.
Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or watch on YouTube.
Sound Bites
* "They have tried to make it possible to do so with imbeciles by making the process of arriving at that so simple that you could train a 20 something to do it effectively."
* "There is a conflation of what really ought to be authority, where you need wisdom, you need to be able to judge, to govern, you need to exemplify the things that you're talking about versus leading, which is usually a matter of gifting."
* "They speak with an absolute authority because the minister, if they deviate from this, is perceived as a rogue."
* "You're outsourcing your own judgment, whether your moral conscience or your intellectual firing, rather than them turning around and saying, hey, you should read books and also it's really hard to know things and it could take a while to really know something and do that, grow."
* "There's a lot there, and the pastor who says on bioethics, I am a little bit beyond my wheelhouse - Mr. Christian with an MD, you have some insights here, but you also need some philosophy because being a doctor alone doesn't help you just realizing like the complexity of all the different types of knowledge."
* "The appropriate way to approach it is that the pastor is really just the end stage of any godly man in the congregation who meets the qualifications."
* "Don't come ask me everything. Actually, you grow wise."
* "The church and its leadership can become like the kind of boyfriend or husband who makes you need them so badly. It's almost abusive."
* "If the way that you are engaging with the people you love and serve is that they can't do anything without you, that's the opposite of what you're supposed to be doing."
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Background
02:05 Personal Background and Involvement with Davenant
06:22 Critique of Jonathan Lehman's 'Political Church'
13:17 The Dangers of Clerical Caste and Man of God Syndrome
23:24 Equipping the Saints and Cultivating Independent Thinking
28:08 The Parent-Child Dynamic in Pastoral Relationships
36:18 The Dangers of Dependency on Pastors
37:55 The Limitations of Pastors' Expertise
39:20 Cultivating Wisdom and Knowledge Among the Congregation
41:30 The Role of Pastors as Informational Vending Machines
45:42 The Importance of Raising Up New Pastors Within the Church
49:53 Focusing on the Practical Aspects of the Christian Life
53:05 The Relationship Between Authority and Submission
58:23 The Role of Pastors in the Lives of Congregants
01:00:53 The Anxious Relationship to Knowing
01:03:45 The Responsibility of Congregants to Cultivate Wisdom
01:06:40 The Growth and Development of the Congregation
01:11:03 Cultivating Wisdom and Independence
01:12:58 The Role of Elders as Guides
01:13:54 Accountability and Humility in Leadership
01:16:28 The Role of Parachurch Organizations
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Latter-Day Laymen
vendredi 24 mai 2024 • Durée 01:38:39
This week, Joel Carini and King Laugh are joined by Michael, author of Build the Village, a publication about building community beyond mainstream institutions.
I came across Michael through his engagement with Aaron Renn’s cultural commentary, but as a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. (Michael wrote this review of Renn’s recent book, Life in the Negative World.)
In my judgment, the LDS church is an interesting example of a church that has already adjusted to “the negative world,” i.e., adopted a minority mindset and practiced a kind of large-scale Benedict Option for over a century.
Our conversation explores the topic of building Christian community and the role of individual initiative within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and how this can be replicated for evangelicals.
We also discussed the importance of intentional parenting and the role of fathers in passing on faith and values to their children. We had an excursus on the creation of culture and music within the Christian community. We concluded with a discussion on the need for rites of passage and intentional guidance for boys as they transition into adulthood.
Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or watch on YouTube.
Takeaways
* The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints emphasizes strong social fabric and tight-knit community, with members actively supporting and serving one another.
* Lay leadership and individual initiative play a significant role in the LDS Church, with members taking on responsibilities and actively participating in the community.
* There is a need for churches to bridge the gap between young people and older generations, creating shared experiences and connections outside of traditional church assignments.
* Churches should offer unique experiences and opportunities for youth, providing them with something distinctive and appealing that aligns with their interests and values.
* Fathers play a crucial role in passing on faith and values to their children, and their emotional warmth and closeness have a significant impact on faith persistence.
* Rites of passage and intentional guidance for boys are essential in preparing them for adulthood and teaching them the skills and values necessary for a successful life.
* The church and community should provide opportunities for men to interact, lead, and debate, allowing boys to witness and learn from these experiences. Separate yourself from the unhealthy homeschool culture to foster independence.
* Create a vision of family life that goes beyond negotiating roles and responsibilities.
* Find meaning in ordinary life and prioritize everyday tasks.
* Cultivate a sense of human flourishing and train children for their future roles.
* De-optimize your life to prioritize family and home.
* Take an intentional and customized approach to family life.
Sound Bites
* "Latter-day Saints have a strong culture of individual initiative and proactive service within the community."
* "Lay leadership in the LDS Church allows for a sense of shared responsibility and reduces the burden on the bishop."
* "The transition from youth to adulthood can be challenging, and more can be done to support young men during this critical period."
* "When the adults in the room take their own cultural making responsibilities seriously and together offer the youth of the church an experience, the youth are generally gonna respond well to that."
Chapters
00:00 - Introduction and Background
08:11 - The Importance of Individual Initiative in the LDS Church
23:52 - Challenges in Protestant Churches: Bridging the Gap
27:21 - Creating Unique Experiences for Youth
32:01 - The Role of Fathers in Faith Transmission
32:53 - The Negative Impact of Pop Culture on Dating and Relationships
34:28 - Creating a Christian Alternative to Pop Culture
51:40 - The Importance of Rites of Passage and Intentional Guidance for Boys
01:01:20 - The Role of the Church and Community in Shaping Boys' Development
01:07:27 - Fostering Independence and Preparing Children
01:14:55 - A Vision for Family Life
01:20:43 - Finding Meaning in Ordinary Life
01:26:22 - Cultivating Human Flourishing and Training Children
01:29:41 - De-optimizing Life: Prioritizing Family and Home
01:35:50 - An Intentional and Customized Approach
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Don't Share the Gospel...Yet
mardi 14 mai 2024 • Durée 01:51:12
Ross Byrd joined and King Laugh and I this week to discuss preparation for the gospel. Ross commented a couple of months ago on one of my essays that Jesus did not spend his ministry planting the seed; he spent it tilling the soil:
“The truth (the seed) is simple and plenty. The problem is the lack of fertile soil. Jesus came to till the soil, to play the long game—not just to give us the truth, but to make sure the truth could go in.”
Our discussion highlighted the importance of patience and incremental growth in understanding and accepting the truth. We also touched on the limitations of light switch-like conversions and the need for a gradual journey of becoming. We are embodied and in time; we can’t have an angelic, aeviternal view of conversion.
Our conversation ranged over other areas, including the sacred-secular divide, whether episcopal church government might solve some things, and the journey from wonder to work and back to wonder again.
Ross Byrd runs Surf Hatteras, a premier summer surfing camp for teens, and teaches theology for the Virginia Beach Fellows. He writes Patient Kingdom here on Substack; go give him a subscribe! He stepped back from being an associate pastor seven years ago to devote himself to these other callings full-time. He lives with his wife and four children in North Carolina.
Ross’s Comment on my Jordan Peterson Article
Ross’s Article:
Sound Bites
"Jesus' ministry is almost more about soil-tilling than seed-planting."
"The truth itself is so simple. You miss it because it's simple, not because it's complicated."
"Conversion is not a moment, but a process of becoming."
"It wasn't going to be very easy to do that in the Episcopal Church."
"We're not just handing you the reins of the sermon. Why don't we just the priesthood of all believers for those things - until and unless you show spectacular competence."
"What is the validity of 20-somethings being given church office?"
"It's a holiness that has to do with the way that the Spirit moves upon His people and the way that Jesus promised that He would when two or three are gathered in His name."
Chapters
Part I: The Master Soil-Tiller
0:00 Introduction to Ross
1:21 Soil Tilling in Jesus' Ministry
07:51 Patient Preparation v. Truth-Bombs
15:53 The Role of Time and Embodiment in Conversion
24:50 Salvation by Information Alone
Part II: From the Pastorate to Surf-Camp
40:06 Ross’s Story: From the Pastorate to Surf-Camp
48:44 The Bourgeois-Boomer-Baptist Booby-trap
Part III: Ecclesiology: Episcopal or Egalitarian?
56:47 Ross Challenges Us on Ecclesiology
1:15:03 The Holy and the Common
Part IV: Maturity
1:39:26 The Grandfather and the Second Naiveté
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The Natural Desire to See God
lundi 6 mai 2024 • Durée 01:55:09
This week, the King and I spoke with Dr. Lawrence Feingold, professor of theology at Kenrick-Glennon Seminary, a Roman Catholic seminary in St. Louis, MO. Professor Feingold is the author of The Natural Desire to See God According to St. Thomas and His Interpreters, among other books. He trained in Carrara, Italy as a classical sculptor, alongside his wife. Both were converted to Christ while in Italy, where Dr. Feingold then studied theology for nine years. The fruit of his study was The Natural Desire to See God, a rebuttal of five decades of interpretation of Aquinas known as the Nouvelle Théologie, stemming from theologian Henri De Lubac.
Traditional Thomistic interpretation had held that man’s supernatural end - the beatific vision, seeing God - transcended human nature; it exceeded what human nature was capable of on its own. God could have created man in a state of pure nature, not offering him the beatific vision, without any injustice to man. Even if man had not sinned, the offer of a supernatural telos was an act of grace, a free offer of something not deserved.
In parallel with Protestant Neo-Orthodoxy, the Nouvelle Théologie argued that human nature could not be understood apart from its supernatural end. Human beings, in virtue of their nature alone, had a supernatural telos. This conclusion led some interpreters, including John Milbank, to an explicitly Christian politics, denying the possibility of any liberal neutrality. All thought about secular things and all political activity must be based on explicitly Christian principles.
In The Natural Desire, Dr. Feingold argued for a return to the traditional Thomistic synthesis. Man has, by nature, a desire for the good itself, a desire that nothing created can satisfy. But man’s supernatural end is disproportionate to his nature; it transcends his natural end and only comes to him as a gratuitous offer.
My own project parallels Dr. Feingold’s in its reaffirmation of nature in Christian theology; see my book, The Natural Theologian. I reject the Nouvelle Théologie and radical orthodoxy for the same reason I reject Christian presuppositionalism, worldview-ism, and coherentism: They ignore the goodness of created, finite human nature in itself and the possibility of natural human knowledge.
In the interview, we discuss Dr. Feingold’s own path to faith, including how a love of Christian art paved his way to Christianity. We discuss the Catholic debate over the natural desire to see God and its theological and cultural implications. Finally, we discuss how I am attempting to appropriate some aspects of his view for Protestant theology - and to reject others. The discussion closes with an exchange on whether Christ’s grace, in addition to restoring nature, also exceeds and elevates it.
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Chapters
* Introduction 0:00
* Dr. Feingold’s Conversion 2:08
* Art as Preparation 8:34
* The Bifurcation of Art and Theology 15:38
* The Creator and the Creature 22:51
* The Retreat from Nature 28:29
* De Lubac’s Position 32:40
* Aquinas’s Position 39:09
* Platonic v. Aristotelian 48:24
* De Lubac Again 1:00:52
* The Gratuity of Creation 1:07:10
* Brainless Slugs 1:15:50
* Practical Implications 1:24:39
* Natural Law 1:33:31
* Protestant Doubts about Grace Elevating Nature 1:36:51
* The New Commandment 1:45:53
* The Sacredness of Secular Life 1:49:04
Resources
Dr. Feingold’s The Natural Desire to See God According to St. Thomas and His Interpreters
De Lubac’s Surnaturel, or The Mystery of the Supernatural
Steven Long, Natura Pura: On the Recovery of Nature in the Doctrine of Grace
St. Francis De Sales’ Introduction to the Devout Life
John Paul II Fides et Ratio and The Theology of the Body
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Politics...Some Godly Thing?
jeudi 18 avril 2024 • Durée 01:11:10
Today, Samuel Barnes, author of Missing Axioms and The Iconoclast, joins the King and I to discuss the role religion, the secular, and identity play in the political right. The conversation begins from our dueling articles, my “Toward a Religious Right,” and Samuel’s “Against a Merely Religious Right.”
In my essay, I argued that, if the political right, conservatism, does not make its object the conservation and continuation of a religious heritage, then its adherents will tend to identify the object of conservation as a racial or ethnic group. In order to preserve both morality and a kind of universalism, the Right should be religious.
In Samuel’s essay, he argued that the Right is not merely concerned with the preservation of a religious heritage or any philosophical proposition. It is also concerned with the preservation of peoples in all their particularity - as the Québecois are concerned with their ethnic identity, the Welsh with theirs, the English with theirs. These are fine-grained, historic ethnicities, not races, mind you.
It should be noted that Samuel is himself English, and that the divide on the Right we are discussing is partly due to differences between the US, a propositional nation, and the countries of Europe.
What follows is a lively exchange about the nature and purpose of politics, from first principles. Enjoy this episode of The Flâneur and the Philosopher.
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Chapters:
2:00 - What is the right preserving?
10:00 - Is politics a godly or an earthly thing?
22:00 - Is effective change through politics anyway, or through culture, ideas, and religion?
29:00 - Is preserving ethnic identity a goal of the right?
43:00 - Does the Right have a positive vision of the good life? Or are we merely against things?
53:00 - How can the Right save us from the tyranny of pleasure?
To learn more about our guest, Samuel Barnes, visit samuelbarnes.com.
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Concerning Elders
jeudi 11 avril 2024 • Durée 02:02:10
On this second episode of “The Flâneur and the Philosopher,” independent philosopher Daniel Garner joins the King and I for a lively discussion of the question of elders. While many churches have elders, we lack a reliable method of cultivating elders from the raw material of laymen. Christian discipleship and growth into maturity are, more often than not, left to chance.
Probably, our churches’ difficulties in cultivating elders are related to our society’s disintegration, loss of belonging, and glamorization of youth with its beauty and ignorance. Garner, author of the magisterial work of social philosophy Belonging Again (Part 1 is available here, and Part 2 is soon to be released) brings sociological and philosophical tools to bear on the question. In the end, he suggests that an elder is someone at the intersection of a dweller and a cultivator of free speech - part hobbit, part wizard.
You can also listen to this podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube Podcasts, in addition to here on Substack! And if you missed last week’s episode, check out “Make Sermons Short Again” with Jack Prophesy.
Enjoy this conversation of “The Flâneur and the Philosopher.”
For more on Daniel, see his website under “O. G. Rose,” his pen name together with his wife Michelle. Check out his YouTube channel and his Twitter. Find his books on Amazon, including Volume 1 of Belonging Again. You may also enjoy his interview with me on my book The Natural Theologian: Essays on Nature and the Christian Life.
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Make Sermons Short Again
jeudi 4 avril 2024 • Durée 01:08:56
This is the first episode of my new podcast, “The Flâneur and the Philosopher,” together with my friend King Laugh.
Putting it in a nutshell, “The Flâneur and the Philosopher” is a show in which a lover of wisdom and an ambulatory social critic seek the good through friendship and conversation.
One of our driving questions is whether the church is and how it can lead people to live examined lives, leading to spiritual maturity. I explored some of the limitations of contemporary Reformed theology, seminary, and being a theology nerd in previous essays.
Let My People Prophesy
The question this episode is whether revering the sermon as the central act of Protestant worship limits spiritual growth. Our guest, Jack Prophesy, argued as much on Twitter this week:
Strong words.
King Laugh and I put Jack’s critique to the test and explore ways that the church could better embody the priesthood of all believers.
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Against Worldview
lundi 16 décembre 2024 • Durée 01:11:09
My guest this week on The Flâneur and the Philosopher is Simon P. Kennedy, author of Against Worldview: Reimaging Christian Formation as Growth in Wisdom (Lexham Press).
In his book, Kennedy argues that the current understanding of worldview is faulty. It envisions a Christian worldview as something that can be downloaded and deployed at the outset of Christian education. On the contrary, Kennedy argues that a Christian worldview is something that is built gradually by the process of education and exploration of God’s world.
After reading and reviewing Kennedy’s book, I had to have him on to discuss where the idea of a Christian worldview goes wrong - and what it still gets right. We discuss its ties to philosophical idealism and presuppositional apologetics, try to sort through Kuyper’s contribution, and explore an alternative, which he and I agree is Christian realism.
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Simon P. Kennedy is a Resident Fellow at the University of Queensland and non-resident fellow at the Danube Institute. He writes on X at @spkenn1 and at Academia.edu at https://uq.academia.edu/SimonKennedy.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
7:16 The Presuppositionalist Phase
17:45 Where Worldview Goes Wrong
24:55 What’s Up w/ Kuyper?
32:46 A "Combat Concept"
40:05 Christian Realism
49:07 Simon's Secular Scholarship
57:14 Worldview in Negative World
1:01:42 Jordan Peterson
1:05:25 Reception in Moscow, Idaho
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