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In cancer and palliative care, patients who have a strong working relationship with their doctor have been shown to experience greater wellbeing, quality of life, meaning, and peace. For many physicians, who they are as a person and how they connect with their patients is one of their primary instruments of healing. But it can be a delicate instrument. Encountering intractable suffering day after day can take its toll – and finding the delicate middle ground between taking on too much of a patient’s suffering and abstracting it all away is one of the great balancing acts of doctoring. 

Our guest on this episode is Dr. Keri Brenner, psychiatrist, palliative care doctor, and clinical associate professor of medicine at Stanford. Dr. Brenner attended Yale School of Medicine before completing her residency in psychiatry and fellowship in palliative medicine at Harvard. She is a nationally recognized leader in “PalliPsych” initiatives that integrate psychiatric, psychological, and psychotherapeutic principles into serious illness care. 

Over the course of this episode, Dr. Brenner shares how her time volunteering at Mother Theresa’s home for the dying in Kolkata led her to a deep study of suffering and eventually to medicine. We discuss the doctor’s role of accompanying patients through hard times and the folly of trying to impose a silver lining onto another’s suffering. Finally, we explore strategies for how physicians can be a healing presence for their patients without being overcome by the pain they witness.

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

3:00 - Dr. Brenner’s path from volunteering at Mother Theresa’s Home for the Dying to becoming a psychiatrist and palliative care doctor. 

13:38 - What Dr. Brenner has learned about the phenomenology of suffering

26:09 - How Dr. Brenner approaches her work when many of the challenges her patients face cannot be fixed 

32:15 - Practices and perspectives that can help physicians be attuned to the suffering of their patients

53:43 - The care that palliative physicians provide to other doctors

59:18 - Finding the emotional balance between empathy and over-identifying with patients 

1:06:30 - Keri and Tyler reflect on a shared experience with a palliative care patient

1:14:20 - Dr. Brenner’s advice for infusing more presence into patient practice 

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Many of us find ourselves awash in a deluge of instant communication. Text messages, emails, and direct messages come and go at a dizzying pace. Against this backdrop of overstuffed inboxes and lengthy text threads, we instinctively sense that letters – the kind you write or type and perhaps stuff in an envelope – are something different. Something weightier. For the terminally ill, writing a letter not only stands apart from other forms of communication — it stands apart from time. The process of writing a letter for loved ones can be a potent therapy for the patient and a legacy for those left behind.  

Our guests on this episode are Bryant Lin, MD and Frish Brandt. Bryant is a recurring guest on the show and a primary care physician, educator, and researcher at Stanford University who was diagnosed with Stage 4 lung cancer in 2024. Frish is a “letter midwife” who began her work helping palliative care and hospice patients write letters for their loved ones. When Bryant and Frish crossed paths, it led to Bryant sponsoring Frish as a lecturer at Stanford and eventually to Frish helping Bryant write a letter of his own. In October of this year, Bryant and Frish are each publishing books. Sunshine explores what Bryant has learned about living while dying, while Unfinished Business is Frish’s guide to writing the five essential letters of one’s life.

In this episode, you will learn about the work of a letter midwife and get an update on Bryant’s cancer journey. Frish and Bryant share how their stories became intertwined, the experience of writing a letter together, and what makes writing a letter uniquely impactful for both the writer and the recipients. Together, they urge us to not put off saying the important things, and better yet, taking the time to put them in writing. 

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

3:20 - How Frish became a ‘letter midwife’ and began helping people write letters to address their unfinished business 

10:55 - The importance fostering conversation and connection in our rapid, high tech world 

15:33 - How Frish and Bryant’s letter writing collaboration came to be 

26:45 - Why letters carry a unique weight 

29:00 - What goes into creating a letter for someone you love 

51:00 - Grappling with the concept of time and day-to-day life when you have a progressive disease 

55:15 - How Bryant’s cancer has changed his approach to doctoring 

1:00:00 - How Frish’s work as a letter midwife has changed her approach to life, and what we can learn from her experience

Link to Bryant’s past episodes. Links to both of their preorders. 

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Sometimes established physicians experience a strange kind of amnesia when thinking back on their training, causing them to forget just how challenging it was. Worse, some physicians do remember how hard those years were and feel that up-and-coming doctors should suffer the same difficulties they did. To accurately understand what it is like to become a doctor, it helps to talk to those fresh out of training and, of course, trainees themselves. 

Our guest on this episode is Grant Lin, MD, a brand new clinical assistant professor in pediatric neurology at Stanford. Grant completed his fellowship in Palliative Care this summer after finishing residencies in pediatrics and child neurology. While in medical school and residency at Stanford, he became a leader in the successful movement to unionize the interns, residents, and fellows that make up Stanford Hospital’s house staff. 

Over the course of this episode, Grant shares lessons learned from training in palliative medicine and caring for children with neurologic diseases. We discuss the turbulence of medical training, the difficulty of essentially changing jobs twelve times in a year as a medical student, and what led to the house staff unionization effort at Stanford. Finally, Grant encourages trainees to make their voices heard and for hospitals to care for their staff so the staff can care for their patients. 

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

2:30 - Grant’s path to becoming a doctor and specializing in pediatric neuropalliative care 

9:45 - The experience of taking care of children who are facing neurodegenerative illnesses

17:36 - How Grant’s approach to difficult patient conversations changed after palliative care training 

21:38 - The turmoil of clinical rotations as a medical student

33:30 - Grant’s work leading the unionization effort at Stanford to advocate for better house staff working conditions 

48:00 - Grant’s advice to house staff members who might find themselves struggling 

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It wasn’t that many years ago that self-driving cars were the stuff of science fiction. But in what feels like the blink of an eye, driver-less cars now roam the streets of a growing number of cities across the country. In fact, it’s not all that difficult to imagine a future in which the sheer risk of driving one’s own car is considered unethical. The trajectory of Artificial Intelligence in medicine may follow a similar arc. As AI becomes increasingly adept at diagnosing patients and recommending treatment plans, it’s not hard to imagine a day when it would be unethical for a doctor not to consult AI. 

Our guest on this episode is Ethan Goh, MD, an internal medicine physician and executive director of ARISE — Harvard and Stanford’s research network focused on advancing the evaluation and deployment of AI in healthcare. In addition to his role at ARISE, Dr. Goh is the Program Director of Stanford’s Healthcare AI Leadership Program and a Visiting Faculty Researcher at Google. His extensive work has been published in Nature Medicine, Science, and JAMA, with media coverage in the New York Times, Washington Post, and CNN. 

Over the course of this episode, Dr. Goh details the current capabilities of AI in the medical space, including the surprising finding that AI alone does better at diagnosing disease than doctors who are themselves using AI. We discuss the limitations of studies that compare AI to doctors in relatively noise-free tests and consider the importance of designing workflows that allow healthcare providers to work synergistically with AI. Finally, Dr. Goh reminds us that medicine isn’t just coming to the right answer, it is also about care, making the value of a person in the room who understands a patient’s disease as well as their humanity something that is not easily replaced. 

In this episode of The Doctor’s Art: 

3:10 - Dr. Goh’s professional journey to the intersection of medicine and AI

9:15 - An update on the status of AI in medicine 

20:25 - How is it that AI does better at diagnosis than physicians who are using AI?

29:45 - If AI has become better at diagnosis than humans, why keep humans in the loop? 

37:26 - Necessary changes in medical regulation, licensure, and liability to capitalize on AI in medicine

47:54 - Training new doctors in the age of AI

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When a child tragically gets cancer, parents and families often find themselves grasping for ways to make sense of their new reality. It is one thing to know abstractly that we live in a world where the innocent suffer, but it is another thing entirely to suffer alongside your own child. Such a life-altering experience can raise heavy questions for parents, at times forcing them to reassess their most closely held narratives and cherished beliefs. 

Our guest on this episode is Grant Romoser-Claunch. Grant is a Christian pastor at Newsong Fellowship in Illinois and a husband and a father. When his four-and-half month old son Simon was diagnosed with leukemia, Grant was confronted with the daunting question: Where is God in this? His 2025 book Bone of my Bone chronicles his journey with Simon and captures the spiritual challenges and growth he experienced along the way. 

Over the course of our conversation, Grant shares Simon’s cancer story from diagnosis all the way to remission. We explore how Grant’s faith was challenged and re-formed while caring for Simon and reflect on how deeper learning often requires a preceding process of unlearning. Finally, Grant reminds medical professionals of their moral duty to wield the power of their position with love.  

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

2:30 - Grant’s work as a pastor and the path that led him to his work

9:30 - The heart wrenching story of Grant’s son’s journey with leukemia 

33:50 - How Grant’s experience with his son’s cancer challenged his faith and motivated him to write 

41:50 -  The ways in which Grant’s understanding of God transformed throughout his son’s journey

48:20 - How the concrete details of life can lead us to profound insights

1:00:30 - The impact of doctors who wield their power for their parents instead of over their patients

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GLP-1s have taken the country by storm. Patients are losing and keeping off weight at levels previously only seen through bariatric surgery. Research trials have shown the drugs to be effective at reducing the risk of heart attack, stroke, and cardiovascular death. They protect the kidneys, reduce sleep apnea, and treat fatty liver and peripheral artery disease – all while being studied for a laundry-list of additional indications. The drugs originally designed for glucose control in diabetes are transforming lives — and raising big social questions. 

Our guest on this episode is Dr. Marilyn Tan, clinical professor of medicine at Stanford University and chief of the Endocrine Clinic at Stanford Health Care. Dr. Tan focuses on diabetes management in both her clinical practice and research, and she is on the front lines of using GLP1-1s in patient care.

Over the course of our conversation, Dr. Tan provides a brief history of the development of GLP-1s and describes just how large a leap forward these medications are in weight management. We discuss the patient experience of being on GLP-1s for weight loss – and the stunningly wide array of other uses for the drug beyond weight loss and diabetes. Finally, we discuss the curious effect these medications seem to have on cravings beyond food, and reflect on the use of GLP-1s in the context of an addiction-saturated society. 

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

2:37 - Dr. Tan’s path to endocrinology and her work in the field 

7:45 - The challenges and rewards inherent in treating a disease like obesity or diabetes that is strongly affected by factors beyond the control of the patient but still requires behavioral interventions

15:45 - The landscape of obesity treatment prior to GLP-1s 

22:45 - How GLP-1s function and how they differ from the drugs that came before them 

28:10 - Common patient experiences and treatment courses with GLP-1s 

35:30 - The growing evidence that GLP-1s can be effective in treating addiction, and the complexity of medicating individuals to address issues with systemic roots

49:00 - Improving your overall health while living a busy life 

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The hospital can be a harsh backdrop to many of life’s most pivotal events. Alarms blare at inopportune times, rounding doctors intrude on delicate conversations, and vigilant nurses disrupt rare periods of rest. All the chaos can add to the stress of a patient’s hospital stay and create an emotionally discordant experience — seemingly out of step with the profound grief, joy, or intimacy one might expect to accompany the weighty moments that happen in the hospital. In the face of this challenging environment, what can be done to connect patients to the emotional threads of their lives — to invite meaning during these critical times? The answer, at least in part, may lie in music. 

Our guest on this episode is Melanie Ambler, fourth-year medical student at Stanford and professional cellist. As an undergraduate at Brown, Melanie began researching the intersection of music and medicine. She then completed a Fulbright fellowship in France where her master’s work centered on the effect of music on patients with dementia. Once she got to Stanford, Melanie and her cello Shelby got to work bringing music to hospitalized patients. In 2024, she founded Musical Rounds – a music and storytelling project for patients in palliative care. 

Over the course of our conversation, Melanie shares how her musical and medical journeys melded into one. We discuss the power of music to prompt reflection, draw out stories, and even transform the ugliness of the hospital into beauty. Best of all, Melanie plays for us live while sharing her early patient experiences that motivate her work at Musical Rounds — including the launch of her new Musical Rounds podcast.

In this episode, you’ll hear: 

3:00 - How playing the cello became a central part of Melanie’s life 

13:45 - Melanie play a piece that showcases the beauty of the cello

18:10 - How Melanie became interested in medicine

27:10 - How Melanie merged music and medicine in her research and in the hospital 

46:00 - Reflections on the power of music in the lives of physicians

52:00 - How Melanie’s non-profit organization Musical Rounds is working to provide patients moments of reflection through music and storytelling

55:22 - A patient story that exemplifies the power of music at a patient’s bedside 

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Many patients interpret their illness through the lens of their religious tradition. Sometimes this process brings hope, comfort, or growth – but other times it compounds their suffering. What are patients supposed to do when they don’t see their lives reflected in the religious stories they cherish? And how can physicians recognize and respond to spiritual suffering that is layered on top of the physical? 

Our guest on this episode is Dr. Jonathan Weinkle, clinical assistant professor at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine. Dr. Weinkle practices Internal and Pediatric medicine at Squirrel Hill Health Center – a health center focused on overcoming economic, cultural, and logistical barriers to health care. He serves as a consultant to the Jewish Healthcare Foundation and as the medical director of the Physician Assistant Program at Chatham University. In 2025, he published his book From Illness to Exodus with the goal of helping patients and healers navigate illness – using one of the world’s oldest stories.  

Over the course of our conversation, Dr. Weinkle shares insights from the story of the Jewish Exodus that may help patients feeling trapped in the “narrow place” of illness. We discuss the spiritual and emotional complexity faced by patients whose own illness stories don’t end with a miraculous escape. Finally, we reflect on the importance of healers who understand their patients’ “idioms of distress” and who can attune to their suffering. 

On this episode, you’ll hear about: 

2:45 - How Dr. Weinkle found his way to a career in Med-Peds, and the many hats he wears in his current work 

9:00 - Dr. Weinkle’s views on balancing faith and science in medicine

16:00 - The cultural importance and traditions of Passover in the Jewish faith 

21:30 - How the lessons of the Passover can be connected to medicine and healing 

28:45 - Why Dr. Weinkle chose to write a book for healers 

40:00 - Dr. Weinkle’s advice for identifying and responding to a patient’s taxonomy of distress

47:30 - Attending to suffering when it cannot be ‘fixed’

52:25 - How healers can use ritual to center themselves in their work 

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The creation of Medicare and Medicaid in 1965 enabled millions of Americans to meaningfully access healthcare for the first time — and dramatically increased demand for doctors. The passage of the Hart-Celler Immigration and Nationality Act a few months later enabled tens of thousands of immigrant physicians to migrate to the US. Since then, immigrant physicians have comprised between 25 — 40% of the physician workforce. 

Our guest on this episode is Professor Eram Alam, associate professor of history at Harvard. Alam specializes in the history of medicine, race, migration, and health during the twentieth century. In 2025, she published The Care of Foreigners: How Immigrant Physicians Changed US Healthcare.

Over the course of our conversation, Professor Alam traces the legal, economic, and geopolitical factors that led to the US depending on immigrant physicians to care for many of the country’s most vulnerable populations. We explore how American attitudes toward immigration have shifted over time and how the current state of politics has created a jarring disconnect: many patients depend on care from immigrant physicians and yet continue to view immigrants as un-American. Finally, Professor Alam reminds us how remembering everyone feels a little out of place, can help us see the person in front of us more fully. 

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

3:00 - Dr. Alam’s work as a professor and historian of healthcare and medicine

7:30 - The background for Dr. Alam’s book The Care of Foreigners. 

13:00 - The story behind the 1965 legislation that led to the mass employment of physician immigrants in the US

22:10 - How the role of immigrant physicians in the US healthcare system complicates the idea of meritocracy in medicine

29:00 - The ways in which US immigration policy has changed the experience for foreign-born doctors over time 

33:45 - Dr. Alam’s view of how current immigration crackdowns fit into the larger historical narrative of US immigration 

45:36 - How dehumanizing political rhetoric surrounding immigrants can blind us to the humanity of those who care for us

53:26 - The unifying power in acknowledging discomfort in ourselves and others

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The epidemic of physician burnout isn’t just a personal problem. Burned out doctors are more likely to make mistakes, less likely to follow preventative care guidelines, and more likely to have dissatisfied patients. When a burned out physician leaves an institution or quits all together, it can cost north of a million dollars to replace them. Unwell doctors lead to unwell patients — and an unwell health care system. The toll that the burnout epidemic has taken on physicians, patients, and even the bottom-line requires more than individual adaptation on the part of physicians. It requires a grass-roots movement to heal the healers. 

Our guest on this episode is Mary Brandt, MD — pediatric surgeon and Distinguished Emeritus Professor of Surgery, Pediatrics, and Medical Ethics at Baylor College of Medicine. Over the course of her clinical career, Dr. Brandt published over 245 peer reviewed publications, 26 chapters, and 2 books. She became particularly attuned to the suffering of trainees and physicians while serving as General Surgery Program Director and Dean of Student Affairs at Baylor, and she subsequently obtained a Master of Divinity Degree to better understand and articulate what she was observing. Dr. Brandt is a persistent advocate for physician wellness and correcting systemic issues in medicine. 

Over the course of our conversation, Dr. Brandt describes the moment she felt called to surgery, her fruitless efforts to resist this calling, and how the combination of competence and humility allowed her to manage the pressure of operating on children. We explore the evolution of the physician-wellness movement and why the health care system cannot afford to ignore the wellness of its physicians. Finally, Dr. Brandt posits that the hard work of compassion is what can sustain physicians long term. 

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

3:00 - Dr. Brandt’s unexpected path to becoming a pediatric surgeon  

11:00 - Dr. Brandt’s mental approach to the high stakes work of pediatric surgery  

27:49 - The disconnect between the work of healing and the business side of medicine

38:15 - How Dr. Brandt’s studies in liberation theology have influenced her vision for the healthcare system and medical practice

42:00 - The three shifts healers can make to collectively change medicine

48:20 - The ‘practice’ of compassion and how it can protect physicians from burnout 

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The electronic medical record (EMR) has become an unwelcome interloper in the exam room. Too often, patients find themselves answering questions delivered from behind a monitor by physicians hurriedly typing away. This isn’t the kind of care anyone wants — but it’s what the system demands. Thankfully, change may be on the horizon.  AI scribes are now being rolled out in EMRs across the country, capable of listening to a visit, generating a clinic note, and freeing the physician to be present with their patient. But these scribes are only an opening act of a much larger experiment — one that asks not merely whether AI can redeem the medical record, but whether it can usher in something closer to a Golden Age of medicine. 

Our guest on this episode is Bob Wachter, MD, professor and chair of medicine at UCSF and a leading voice in hospital medicine and administration. In 1996, he and his colleague Lee Goldman coined the term “hospitalist,” giving rise to what has become the fastest growing specialty in the history of modern medicine. He has authored over 300 articles and 6 books, including the New York Times bestseller The Digital Doctor (2015) and A Giant Leap: How AI is Transforming Healthcare and What That Means for Our Future (2026).

Over the course of our conversation, Dr. Wachter traces how a long-held fascination with systems drew him into studying medicine's digital transformation over the past 15 years — a period spanning the turbulent rollout of electronic medical records and now the arrival of AI. We explore the bumpy history of adopting powerful but general-purpose technologies, how such technologies force complex industries to reshape themselves, and humanity's humbling track record of predicting what comes next. Dr. Wachter makes the case that AI's integration into medicine constitutes the biggest experiment the field has ever undertaken, and explains why he believes it will ultimately resolve many of the health care system's deepest problems and elevate the practice of medicine itself.

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

3:46 - Dr. Watcher’s path to medicine and to his study of digital transformation

8:06 - The wins and losses of the transition to electronic medical records

26:45 - Why Dr. Watcher is optimistic that AI will deliver a “golden age” for medicine 

37:30 - Contending with the potential dangers of AI in the revenue-focused medical industry

50:30 - Dr. Watcher’s view on if there will always be an important place for doctors in the future 

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In recent years, Silicon Valley has imagined for us a new way of life – one where almost anyone can be a twenty or thirty-something-year-old with a supernatural glow, toned physique, understated intelligence, and a superabundance of vitality. This is not reality for most people, even for the twenty or thirty-something-year-olds, but medicine and technology originally intended to help people achieve baseline health are increasingly being leveraged to close the gap. This raises the question: what is medicine for? Is medicine about restoring people to some definition of “normal” health? And if so, what about all the people contentedly living in bodies considered medically abnormal?

Our guest is Devan Stahl, author, clinical ethicist, and professor of bioethics and religion at Baylor University. Professor Stahl received her PhD in Health Care Ethics from St. Louis University, before completing her Master of Divinity at Vanderbilt University. Her scholarship focuses on disability theology and bioethics, and her most recent books include Disability's Challenge to Theology (2022) and Bioenhancement Technologies and the Vulnerable Body (2023). In addition to her scholarly work, Stahl volunteers as a clinical ethicist with the Supportive and Palliative Care Team at her local hospital. 

Over the course of our conversation, we discuss whether it is the role of a clinical ethicist to determine what is “right” in a given situation – and if so, how that is accomplished. We explore how Silicon Valley’s promotion of the “optimized” human raises questions about the purpose of medicine, and the various ways medicine defines the idea of “normal” health. Stahl shares her experience in the healthcare system as someone with multiple sclerosis, cautioning that some providers are more comfortable focusing on the digitized version of someone’s disability than on the person themselves. Together, we imagine a doctor’s role not just in restoring patients to normality, but guiding them to flourish.  

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

3:19 - The questions that have driven Stahl’s academic career as a professor of bioethics and religion. 

5:00 - The types of requests Stahl receives as a bioethicist at her local hospital.

12:51 - How Silicon Valley is skewing public perception of “health” — and the questions this raises about the purpose of medicine.

20:12 - Stahl’s experience navigating uncomfortable and confusing medical encounters as a person with disability herself.

25:24 - Stahl’s take on the “purpose” of modern medicine.

29:48 - Ways in which our society tends to value certain kinds of bodies over others. 

39:36 - Imagining the role of physicians in helping patients flourish. 

44:55 - How health care professionals can find deeper meaning in their work and lives.

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Electronic Medical Records have transformed the way we practice health care, making patient data readily accessible to health care providers, facilitating collaboration within and across large medical teams, increasing transparency, and drastically improving the legibility of patient charts and prescriptions. But despite these benefits, many physicians cite the electronic medical record as a primary driver of burnout, pointing to the overwhelming volume of documentation it requires. In this episode, we explore how the launch of EMRs within the context of America’s predominantly fee-for-service health care system led to the technology falling short of its promise — and how transitioning to value-based care models might redeem the technology, revitalize physicians, and recenter public health. 

Our guest on this episode is Farzad Mostashari, MD. After completing a degree in public health at Harvard, medical school at Yale, and residency at Massachusetts General Hospital, Dr. Mostashari spent over a decade working in public health: first for the CDC’s Epidemic Intelligence Service and then for the New York City Department of Health. From 2009 to 2011, he served as the National Coordinator for Health IT at the Department of Health and Human Services where he helped oversee the nationwide transition from paper to electronic medical records. In 2014, he founded Aledade, a company that helps primary care physicians form value-based care networks in the US.  

Over the course of our conversation, Dr. Mostashari shares how his childhood in Iran pushed him towards public health, how his experience watching his father being cared for in the hospital drove him towards medicine, and how he has spent his career in the liminal space between public health and medicine. We discuss the rollout of EMRs, and how fee-for-service payment models led to EMRs being optimized for documentation rather than patient care. We explore how value-based care not only solves the problem of over-documentation, but also better aligns the goals of patients, physicians, and even insurance companies. Dr. Mostashari maps out the progress we have made toward this kind of model and the hurdles we have to clear before we have a system that incentivizes preventing stroke as much as treating stroke. 

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

3:35 - How Dr. Mostashari became drawn to the intersection between the intimate work of doctoring and the wide lens work of public health. 

12:12 - Dr. Mostashari’s experiences modernizing health IT systems and learning to optimize for the number of lives saved rather than the number of technological solutions implemented.

16:05 - Dr. Mostashari’s assessment of the rollout of the electronic medical record in the US.

25:09 - How Aledade frees primary care physicians to prioritize patient outcomes and reduces the burden of EMR documentation.

38:57 - What the US can learn from international health care systems. 

41:00 - Challenges in transitioning to outcome-based models of primary care.

50:30 - How Dr. Mostashari’s medical training has shaped his career in public health. 

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Over the past 160 episodes, two themes that have appeared repeatedly feel as relevant and urgent as ever are 1) the pros and dehumanizing cons of technology and 2) approaching suffering in the human experience. In this episode, we are excited to bring back a panel of notable past guests to discuss the interplay between medicine, suffering, technology, and the human experience. 

We are joined by historian Christine Rosen, PhD, philosopher Mikolaj Slawkowski-Rode, PhD, and palliative care physician Sunita Puri, MD. Rosen is a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute whose work is focused on American history, society and culture, technology and culture, and feminism. Slawkowski-Rode is an assistant professor of philosophy at the University of Warsaw and research fellow at the University of Oxford with a current emphasis on the philosophy of science and religion. Dr. Puri is a palliative care physician, associate professor at the University of California, Irvine School of Medicine, and author of the critically acclaimed book That Good Night (2019). 

As a panel, we consider a prominent aspect of the unwritten curriculum of medicine: how medicine often considers suffering and sorrow to be fixable and their eradication to be a metric of medical success. We explore ways digital technology can make our lives easier without making them better, and the pressing need to define and defend the (non-digital) human experience. We propose that the goal is not to eradicate all suffering, but to reduce needless suffering without denying the forms that accompany love, growth, and moral responsibility. When suffering is treated as an intolerable defect, we can become preoccupied with self-protection and less available to one another. The first and most important gift a caregiver can give is their undivided attention and the biggest mistake we can make in medicine is turning away from suffering. Finally, we ponder if for both patients and physicians, life, in the end, is meant to be a mystery.

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

6:37 – Unlearning preconceived perspectives on suffering, technology, and human experience. 

13:08 – Engaging with digital technology critically instead of presuming that technological progress is inherently good.

19:28 – Suffering as an irradicable and sometimes necessary element of the human condition.

27:50 – Helping young terminal patients grapple with their diagnosis as a palliative care doctor. 

36:36 – How the pursuit of immortality can lead to moral sickness.

47:08 – How digital technologies are inciting a collective disembodiment from reality.

53:15 – Practices that will positively impact the modern lived experience.

Explore our guests’ past episodes on The Doctor’s Art: 

Human Experience in A Digital World | Christine Rosen, PhD

A Philosophy of Grief | Mikolaj Slawkowski-Rode, PhD

The Beauty of Impermanence | Sunita Puri, MD

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Most medical encounters are structured as transactions. The patient comes in with a specific complaint, the medical expert identifies a discrete problem, and a specific intervention is prescribed.

But at the heart of a medical encounter is a story. When a patient comes in with a medical problem, the problem cannot be disentangled from their life’s narrative — doing so risks hollowing out the essence of what it means to care for another person. 

Our guest on this episode is award-winning author, and primary care physician Suzanne Koven, MD. Following the completion of her residency at Johns Hopkins Hospital, Dr. Koven joined the faculty at Harvard Medical School and practiced primary care medicine at Massachusetts General for 32 years. In 2019, she became the inaugural Writer in Residence at Mass General. Her writings have been published broadly—including in The Boston Globe, The New England Journal of Medicine, The Lancet, and The New Yorker. As a teacher and public speaker, she highlights the relationship between literature and medicine, and is a powerful advocate for female medical trainees. 

In this episode, Dr. Koven shares her journey to medicine at a time when few women were represented in the field and why she finds her undergraduate English classes to be more relevant to her clinical work than her science classes. We discuss narrative medicine, its value to patients and physicians alike, and how the modern healthcare system struggles to value the patient story. Finally, Dr. Koven leaves us with her advice for up-and-coming trainees: find a place in medicine where you can be yourself – for your own good and for your patients’.

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

3:00 - Dr. Koven’s motivations for going into primary care medicine 

15:49 - The impact that Dr. Koven’s English degree has had on her approach to medicine 

19:36 - What narrative medicine is 

24:34 - What is lost when human connection and human story are deprioritized within the practice of medicine 

31:15 - The benefits doctors experience when cultivating an appreciation for the arts

37:21 - How gender representation in medicine has shaped Dr. Koven’s experience as a physician

42:54 - The need for the culture of medicine to adapt to changing demographics in the medical workforce

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Dr. Bryant Lin is a primary care physician, educator, and researcher at Stanford University. In 2018, he founded CARE – the Center for Asian Health Research and Education. In 2023, CARE began a focused research effort investigating lung cancer in non-smoking Asians. In 2024, Dr. Lin was diagnosed with Stage 4 lung cancer, having never smoked in his life. 

After his diagnosis, Dr. Lin sprung into action. He began receiving care from Dr. Heather Wakelee – a Stanford oncologist specializing in lung cancer. Dr Wakelee is the Deputy Director of the Stanford Cancer Institute, the Division Chief of Medical Oncology, and a leader in the International Association for the Study of Lung Cancer. In this episode, we are privileged to be joined by both Dr. Lin and his oncologist, Dr. Wakelee.

Over the course of our conversation, Dr. Lin describes the experience of receiving and living with a diagnosis that has been life changing for both him and his family. He details his remarkable efforts to leverage his diagnosis for the good of patients and rising medical professionals  — and explains how spiritual practices have helped sustain him through this difficult time. Dr. Wakelee shares her approach to first visits with patients facing daunting cancer diagnoses, how she approaches grief, and the unique privilege and challenge of treating a colleague. Together, the doctor and his physician explore the value of hope in cancer, the dangers of false hope, and the importance of maximizing meaning in life — however much time is left. 

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

2:50 - Dr. Lin’s experience of being diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer despite having never smoked

14:20 - Dr. Wakelee’s approach to first visits with newly diagnosed lung cancer patients

25:35 - Dr. Lin’s experience of shifting from the mindset of “doctor” to the mindset of “patient” 

30:30 - How a doctor’s messaging can affect the patient’s outlook on their diagnosis

43:00 - The common themes prevalent across religions and spiritual orientations that support patients in the navigation of serious illness

50:24 - Advice to doctors for finding deeper meaning in medicine

Listen to Dr. Lin’s first appearance on The Doctor’s Art. 

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Many of us quietly accept the idea that our best self lives somewhere in the past — that youth is the ideal and aging is a slow erosion of who we really are. But what if getting older isn’t about losing our identity, but deepening it? What if the second half of life could be defined not by decline, but by “joyspan”—our capacity for meaning, connection, and contentment as we age?

Our guest on this episode is gerontologist and author Kerry Burnight, PhD. As a professor at the University of California, Irvine School of Medicine, Dr. Burnight spent 16 years caring for older adults suffering neglect and abuse. She co-founded the nation’s first Elder Abuse Forensic Center, bringing together medicine, adult protective services, and law enforcement to protect vulnerable older adults. Her search for how to help people not just avoid harm, but truly thrive into their later decades led to her work on joyspan, culminating in her New York Times best-selling book Joyspan: The Art and Science of Thriving in Life’s Second Half (2025). Her work has been featured in outlets including The New York Times, The Guardian, BBC News, and Forbes Health.

Over the course of our conversation, Dr. Burnight details the experience of working with older adults suffering from neglect and abuse, the importance of team camaraderie for getting through dark moments, and the need to humanize people going through dehumanizing situations. We discuss joyspan as well-being and fulfillment combined with longevity; how focusing on growing, connecting, adapting, and giving can increase joyspan; how the internalized belief that we have less to offer as we age threatens joyspan; and how older adults are uniquely positioned to contribute to society. Dr. Burnight reminds us that joyspan is a health habit, and the best time to start focusing on this health habit is today.

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

3:00 - The story behind the first Elder Abuse Forensics Center

11:45 - Dr. Burnight’s advice for frontline workers navigating cases of elder abuse

15:05 - How social connection improves health outcomes 

24:00 - Defining joy and how joy can coexist with aging

33:15 - How our personal outlook on aging can impact our aging experience 

44:30 - The four elements of joyspan 

48:30 - Ways to build meaning into your life 

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Many of the world’s best physicians find it surprisingly difficult to answer the question: Why are you in medicine? In the long, arduous journey of medical training or within the technocratically-minded healthcare system, one can easily get lost in the life of the mind—and become estranged from the life of the heart.

Our guest on this episode is Brewer Eberly, MD, a third-generation family physician and a fellow at Duke Divinity School’s Theology, Medicine, and Culture Initiative. Dr. Eberly grew up listening to physicians in his family discuss their work and was drawn to how life’s biggest questions are present in medicine. Now, his research focuses on the intersections of medicine, aesthetics, and theology — with a special focus on the “nourishment of weary clinicians.” 

Over the course of our conversation, Dr. Eberly shares how his early interests in art and literature continue to shape his life and work, and how the privilege of accompanying patients in all stages of life motivates his practice. We discuss how family medicine requires practitioners to have something to say about the well-lived life, and how this kind of wisdom is forged in silent contemplation. Finally, Dr. Eberly concludes with a profound and personal reflection on the question: What does it mean to willingly receive the suffering of someone that you cannot fix?

In this episode, you’ll learn about: 

2:36 - Dr. Eberly’s medical and creative origin stories 

10:45 - What makes family medicine unique, and Dr. Eberly’s approach to his work

22:30 - How Dr. Eberly tries to stay connected to the meaning of medicine

29:00 - The “Good Surgeon Project”

37:45 - Dr. Eberly’s view of the limitations of artificial intelligence in medicine 

43:30 - Ways of engaging with and being present for the suffering of patients

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We often confuse happiness with the absence of sadness, or a meaningful life with a productive one. The result might be a life that runs smoothly, but feels strangely flat — as if something essential is missing from the story. What if a truly good life isn’t just happy and meaningful, but also interesting?

Our guest today is Shige Oishi, PhD, professor of psychology at the University of Chicago and author of Life in Three Dimensions (2025). Oishi pioneered the idea of psychological richness — the notion that a good life requires a diverse set of interesting, even disorienting experiences. As an expert in social ecology and well-being, his work spans more than 200 scientific articles and has been featured in outlets such as The New York Times, The Washington Post, and The Wall Street Journal.

Over the course of our conversation, professor Oishi traces his own journey from an undergraduate in booming-economy Tokyo — surrounded by overworked, unhappy adults — to a career in psychology in the United States, where seeing professors live differently opened his eyes to alternative ways of being. We explore how cultures like Japan, the United States, Finland, and Denmark differ in what they chase and expect from life; why small, everyday joys and high-quality relationships matter more than grand achievements; and how “success” and “ambition” can quietly shape our sense of happiness.

We then dive into psychological richness as a third dimension of the good life alongside happiness and meaning — one defined by variety, newness, and memorable stories, often colored by both positive and negative emotions. We discuss the risks of chasing only stability and efficiency; the importance of spontaneity; and the surprisingly simple ways we can cultivate psychological richness by staying curious and saying “yes” more often.

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

3:00 - Oishi’s path to studying the psychology of wellbeing 

8:45 - Rising competitiveness in American culture and how it is affecting lifelong happiness 

13:30 - Why Finland and Denmark are regularly rated the happiest countries 

15:55 - Whether there is a “correct” way to find meaning and happiness

19:15 - What it means to be “psychologically rich” 

28:00 - Balancing positive and negative emotions in a happy, meaningful, and psychologically rich life

41:30 - Developing psychological richness 

45:45 - How psychological richness can help address physician burnout

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When a religious person is isolated from their community, whether due to hospitalization or military service, they can often rely on a chaplain for spiritual support. But where does a non-religious person turn when facing the same circumstances? And what tools do they have for meaning making?

Our guest is Greg Epstein, humanist chaplain at Harvard and MIT and author of the New York Times bestselling book Good Without God. As a humanist chaplain, Greg has spent his career building ethical communities that are united around the idea that human sociality and interdependence are a sufficient foundation for a meaningful life. Greg’s writings have been published widely, including in TIME magazine and The Washington Post, and he is a prominent public speaker in humanist and interfaith communities. 

In our conversation, Greg explains the role of a humanist chaplain, why a humanist chaplain is not necessarily an oxymoron, and how he guides individuals on their meaning-making journey. We discuss Greg’s candidate for the world’s most powerful word and a humanist’s argument for pursuing the work of healing over wealth. And finally, Greg walks us through the thesis of his most recent book Tech Agnostic – how technology has become a religion of its own, with a particular set of downsides. 

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

2:30 - Mr Epstein’s personal definitions of ‘chaplain’ and ‘religion’ 

8:23 - How Mr. Epstein uses a humanist framework to guide meaning-making

24:35 - Is there an absolute ‘good’? 

33:25 - The risks of technology as a religion

45:30 - Advice for medical professionals engaged in the work of healing while operating within a system built for profit

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Many medical trainees are driven to medicine by their moral or religious principles — only to find that they are expected to check their principles at the patient’s door. When this happens, physicians and patients may lose the opportunity for deeper, more healing relationships.

Our guest on this episode is Dr. Farr Curlin, a hospitalist and palliative care physician at Duke University School of Medicine. Dr. Curlin holds joint appointments in the Trent Center for Bioethics, Humanities & History of Medicine and Duke Divinity School, where he studies the intersection of medicine, ethics, and religion. 

From a young age, Dr. Curlin was intrigued by the moral dimensions of medicine. As a medical trainee, he began to study how the religious backgrounds of physicians inform their practice. He is the co-author of The Way of Medicine, in which he challenges the modern “provider of services” model and calls for a recovery of medicine’s spiritual foundations as a healing profession. Now, at Duke Divinity School, he spends significant time helping physicians re-center their practice around the question: “What is Good?” 

Over the course of our conversation, we discuss attitudes toward religion in the medical profession and how many medical professionals worry that being openly religious may make them seem retrograde — or worse. We explore striking the balance between offering physician wisdom while respecting patient autonomy, consider whether the project of medicine makes sense when viewed through the lens of secular humanism, and reflect on how the physician attributes of humility and respect enable physicians to productively bring their full selves to the bedside, all while practicing medicine within a morally pluralistic society.

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

2:48 - Dr. Curlin’s path to medicine and what drew him to a career at the intersection of religion and medicine 

19:30 - Dr. Curlin’s thoughts on why doctors often feel they cannot be openly religious

35:45 - How Dr. Curlin would change medical training to create a deeper focus on personal commitments and moral conviction 

41:15 - Exploring the limitations of artificial agnosticism at the patient’s bedside

51:50 - How fostering a spiritual connection to the work of healing can mitigate burnout

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Medical trainees spend years mastering what to do when biology fails — countless protocols, procedures, and split-second decisions. By the end, they’re primed to fix what’s broken. But what if the mandate of medicine is simpler — and more human?

Our guest on this episode is Dr. Jessica Zitter — a physician, author, and filmmaker who has spent her career at the fault line between intensive care and palliative care. Dr. Zitter was initially drawn to the technical choreography in the ICU: numbers to chase, procedures to perform. Yet, along the way, she began to notice the danger we rarely name — that in our devotion to protocol, we might drift away from the person in front of us. 

Over the course of our conversation, Dr. Zitter shares personal experiences that have shaped her approach to medicine. We talk about moral injury and how it compounds: when systems push us to act against our values, care gets worse, and the hurt deepens. We talk about how bias slips in when power meets prejudice at the bedside and why chaplains — so often sidelined — can be essential guides back to the human being we’re treating. Her prescription is simple: treat patients as you’d want your own loved ones to be treated. Ask for the story. Reconstruct the person we’ve taken apart into smaller pieces.

Dr. Zitter is the author of her memoir Extreme Measures, appears in the Academy Award-nominated short film Extremis, and is the director of several documentaries, including 2025’s The Chaplain & the Doctor.

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

2:45 - Dr. Zitter’s path to a career in intensive care medicine

4:52 - A day in the life of an intensivist

17:42 - Dr. Zitter’s unexpected pivot to prioritizing palliative care in her work  

26:41 - The inspiration for Dr. Zitter’s film The Chaplain and the Doctor

38:36 - How chaplaincy attends to the soul of the patient and what doctors can learn from this perspective

42:51 - Navigating internalized bias as a doctor

49:42 - Dr. Zitter’s advice for her younger self 

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Editorial Note: 

This episode was recorded in December 2024, after the nomination of Robert F Kennedy Jr as Secretary of Health and Human Services had been announced but prior to his confirmation.  Some comments by the podcast hosts and our guest will reflect this timing.

Elephants rarely get cancer, ants quarantine when sick, and altruistic pigs have a higher pain tolerance. In this episode, we discuss insights from the animal world that shed light on human health and wellness, as well as the power of data driven narratives in effective public health education. 

Our guest is Dr. David Agus, founding CEO of the Ellison Medical Institute and professor of medicine and engineering at the University of Southern California. As a CBS news contributor and author of three New York Times best selling books on health, Dr. Agus emphasizes the need for experts who are willing to explain rather than tell. 

Having experienced the politicization of public health during the pandemic, he highlights the importance of data transparency and the urgency for more physician leaders. With technological advances making data collection and analysis ever more accessible, Dr. Agus shares a vision for the future of medicine, where patients bring their own health data to the clinic and physicians act as educators guided by the values of their patients.

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

2:30 - Dr. Agus’s journey to medicine and how he found his way to focusing on preventative health and public education 

6:50 - Navigating the politicized nature of public health as a public health educator 

14:17 - Dr. Agus’s viewpoint on the controversial nominations of RFK Jr. and Dr. Oz 

19:51 - How the education of doctor needs to change to adapt to our newly data driven world 

24:20 - The current state of nutrition science and how people can make the best choices with the current data available on the topic 

32:12 - The potential benefits of making big data in electronic medical records available to physicians

32:48 - The inspiration behind Dr. Agus’s new book, The Book of Animal Secrets, and what the animal kingdom can teach us as humans about living a more fulfilling and healthy life 

52:11 - A vision for empowering patients with their personal medical data in the age of AI 

54:31 - Dr. Agus’s advice to clinicians on supporting patients with their preventative health

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Imagine practicing medicine not within the sterile confines of a hospital, but in the unpredictable world of city streets and shelters, where every patient encounter challenges conventional notions of care, empathy, and human dignity. We explore this reality through the extraordinary journey of Jim O'Connell, MD, whose groundbreaking work with Boston's homeless population has profoundly reshaped health care for society's most marginalized individuals.

Dr. O'Connell is the founding president of the Boston Healthcare for the Homeless Program and an assistant professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School. In this episode, Dr. O’Connell shares stories from his extensive frontline experience, detailing the unique challenges of treating patients facing complex medical and psychiatric conditions exacerbated by unstable living conditions. From addressing devastating public health crises such as AIDS and tuberculosis to establishing consistent mental health care, he provides profound insights into what makes healthcare effective for homeless populations. He also reflects on a formative early experience — being asked by nurses to wash patients feet — that deeply influenced his understanding of empathy and the essence of medical service. Through these reflections, we gain a powerful appreciation for the depth of patience, relational care, and respect required in caring for vulnerable communities. 

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

2:00 - Dr. O’Connell’s unexpected path to medicine

11:34 - The distinction between a “country doctor” and a doctor who works in an academic setting

13:42 - How Dr. O’Connell began working with homeless populations 

20:30 - The difficulties doctors faced in the early years of the HIV/AIDS epidemic

29:14 - Navigating the compounding challenges of access and continuity among the homeless population 

37:12 - What has kept Dr. O’Connell dedicated to treating this population for 30+ years 

51:24 - Dr. O’Connell’s recommendations to clinicians on how to compassionately serve the homeless 

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The relationship between physicians and the larger healthcare system is incredibly complex, raising difficult questions about patient care, advocacy, and the role of doctors in shaping public policy. In this episode, we explore these critical issues and the realities faced by healthcare providers today. 

Our guest is Bruce Scott, MD, an otolaryngologist and 2024 – 2025 President of the American Medical Association (AMA). Motivated by a serious childhood injury and the life changing care he received, Dr. Scott subsequently pursued a career dedicated to surgery and health care advocacy. In this conversation, he shares his experiences as a surgeon, dealing with intricate procedures and urgent decisions, and discusses the importance of physician involvement in healthcare policy amid today's deeply polarized environment. 

Dr. Scott reflects on his own path to leadership within the AMA and underscores the impact that organized medicine can have on public health, health care access, and physician well-being. He provides insights into how the AMA navigates complex political challenges, addresses physician burnout, and promotes practical solutions to administrative burdens. We also discuss emerging issues such as the responsible integration of artificial intelligence in clinical settings, rebuilding patient trust in medical expertise, and the broader implications of physician burnout and mental health. 

In this episode, you’ll learn about: 

2:48 - The life-changing injury that led Dr. Scott to a career as an a surgeon

14:34 - How Dr. Scott became involved with advocacy at the American Medical Association 

21:27 - How the AMA’s work has been altered by the high levels of politicization around medicine 

28:27 - The challenges that physicians struggle with today 

32:47 - How the AMA works to maintain the public’s trust in doctors and the medical establishment 

37:33 - The AMA’s plan for navigating AI integration in a way that benefits doctors, not healthcare and insurance companies 

42:33 - How the AMA approaches the epidemic of physician burnout 

49:14 - Dr. Scott‘s recommendations for how to get involved in policy and advocacy. 

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George Mark Children's House is a pediatric palliative care center in California that provides respite and hospice for children with serious illnesses and their families. In March 2025, we heard the personal story of the House’s director. In this episode, we have been invited on site to speak with someone whose life has been touched by the House. 

Our guests are Kaitlyn, a young woman living with epilepsy, her mother Liz, and Kyle, a child life specialist. Kaitlyn has lived with seizures since she was two years old. Over the years, the condition has shaped nearly every aspect of her life, from her time in and out of hospitals to the way she relates to friends, school, and her own identity. In this conversation, she talks about what it feels like to have a seizure, what she's learned from years of living with uncertainty, and how art, humor, and relationships have helped her make sense of it all. Liz, her mother, shares what it was like to first notice something was wrong, how hard it was to find her footing in a world of medical jargon and evolving diagnoses, and what long term caregiving has taught her about patience, advocacy, and perspective. 

This is not a story about overcoming illness or finding easy silver linings. It's a story about making room for a full life with joy, difficulty, grief, and connection, often all at once. And it's about the role of a place like George Mark, which offers families something rare — not just health care, but space to feel human in the midst of it all.

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

3:20 - Kaitlyn’s epilepsy experience, through both her and her mother’s eyes

14:00 - How Kaitlyn developed a positive outlook on epilepsy

16:30 - How Kaitlyn’s family found George Mark Children’s House

23:30 - The role of a child life specialist

28:15 - Supporting a child through the physical, emotional and spiritual challenges of their illness

29:56 - How epilepsy has shaped Kaitlyn’s views on life’s priorities and challenges, and how it has shaped her mother’s view of parenting

40:00 - Kyle’s perspectives on helping children and families through some of life’s toughest experiences

43:08 - The qualities that Kaitlyn feels a doctor should have to best connect with their patients 

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If you were asked to build a medical school from scratch, how would you do it? It's not a chance most of us get — but that was exactly the task given to our guest on this episode, Sharmila Makhija, MD, MBA. Dr. Makhija is a gynecologic oncologist by training, a clinician who has spent her career working with patients through some of life's most vulnerable and uncertain moments. She has also served as chair of obstetrics and gynecology at Montefiore Health System in New York, and before that, at Emory University. 

Most recently, and most notably, she is Founding Dean of the new Alice Walton School of Medicine in Bentonville, Arkansas. Here, she has taken on the ambitious and deeply human task of creating a medical school that doesn't just teach medicine, but reimagines its purpose. Over the course of our conversation, Dr. Makhija shares how her parents were instrumental to helping her find meaning in medicine, how she accompanies patients through serious illnesses, and the quiet but transformative power of presence. We then hear how she got the opportunity to create a new medical school — so new, in fact, that they are matriculating their first class in July 2025 — and her vision for preparing future doctors to face the technological, societal and professional uncertainties of medicine in the coming decades.

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

2:45 - What drew Dr. Makhija to a career in medicine, and specifically to her clinical focus in gynecological oncology 

11:10 - How Dr. Makhija learned how to support patients through some of the hardest moments of their lives, and her advice on guiding patients through a poor prognosis 

25:22 - Dr. Makhija’s to becoming Founding Dean of the Alice Walton School of Medicine 

32:00 - The school’s approach to creating a new medical curriculum

45:51 - Experiences that have surprised Dr. Makhija on her leadership journey

48:38 - How Dr. Makhija plans to equip her students to face the rapid changes that are transforming the medical field

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What happens to the practice of medicine when machines begin to reason, summarize and even empathize — at least in the linguistic sense — better than humans do? 

In this episode, we meet with Michael Howell, MD, MPH, Chief Clinical Officer at Google, to explore the seismic shifts underway in healthcare as artificial intelligence becomes more deeply embedded in clinical workflows. Dr. Howell, a pulmonary and critical care physician, has spent his career at the crossroads of clinical excellence and systems innovation. Before joining Google, he served as chief quality officer at University of Chicago Medicine. At Google, he leads the development and implementation of AI technologies intended to support scalable, safe and equitable medical care. 

Over the course of our conversation, we examine what AI is and isn't. We delve into how large language models are reshaping the cognitive labor of clinicians, the implications of machines that may someday outperform humans in diagnosis, and whether there is something inherently human about healing that algorithms will never capture. Along the way, we discuss not only the promises of AI, but also its hidden dangers, ethical landmines, and the enduring question — in a future defined by ever smarter machines. What does it mean to be a good doctor?

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

2:43 - Dr. Howell’s path to medicine and eventually to becoming Chief Clinical Officer at Google 

6:45 - Why examining the differences between theory and implementation of technology matters

17:35 - The evolution of AI and its clinical capabilities

26:05 - The definition of “thinking” in the age of AI

36:11 - How AI could change the landscape of healthcare on a global scale

50:26 - The ethics of using — and not using — AI in medicine

54:36 - The role of a doctor in 20 years 

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If you could be plugged into a machine that simulated the perfect experience — limitless joy, deep connection, a sense of purpose — yet you knew it wasn't real, would you choose to stay plugged in? 

This isn't just a philosophical exercise. As our lives become increasingly digitized, our relationships filtered through screens, our emotions managed by algorithms, our attention parceled out to feeds and notifications, we are confronted with a deeper question: what does it mean to have an authentic experience anymore? 

Our guest on this episode is Christine Rosen, a writer and cultural critic whose book The Extinction of Experience (2024) explores how the virtualization of our world is transforming not just our habits, but our inner lives. Drawing from philosophy, neuroscience, and her own reflections, Rosen examines what we lose when direct embodied experience gives way to digital mediation, whether that's our connection to the natural world, our relationships, or even our own sense of self. 

The repercussions for medicine are profound. In an era where care is often delivered through screens, where patients track their bodies through apps and data, and where wellness is increasingly conflated with optimization, how do we preserve what is human in the doctor-patient relationship, and how do patients navigate their own sense of health and wholeness in a world that so often substitutes simulation for substance? 

This is a conversation that cuts deep into one of the most pressing cultural currents of our time and its implications for how we connect, how we heal, and how we find meaning in being alive.

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

3:00 - How Rosen came to focus her career on the history of technology

5:51 - Why we should think proactively about the effects of technological advances on our behavior and society

11:40 - How modern technology has encouraged impatience and disconnect with other humans

27:06 - Why we should stop seeing technology as a means to “solve” or “overcome” human behavior 

37:23 - The epidemic of loneliness that exists despite unprecedented levels of technological interconnectivity 

45:37 - The moral challenges in our society’s attempt to end boredom, discomfort, and suffering 

54:28 - How to think and act critically about the relentless march of technology

57:17 - What we can do to make our lives flourish

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There is something uniquely haunting about many neurological diseases. These conditions often don't only affect the body — they reshape the very foundation of who we are, our memories, our personalities, our language. When the brain begins to fail, the boundary between illness and identity start to blur; the person we know begins to fade even before their life has ended. 

In this episode, we are joined by John Rhee, MD, MPH, a neuro-oncologist and palliative care physician at Dana-Farber Cancer Institute and Harvard Medical School, whose work sits at the intersection of science, suffering, and the soul. He cares for patients with brain tumors and neurodegenerative diseases, conditions that challenge our deepest assumptions about selfhood, dignity, and what it means to live a meaningful life. Dr. Rhee is also the co-founder and executive director of The Hippocratic Society, a community of clinicians that aims to cultivate virtues that characterize good medical practitioners and ideals that make medicine a sacred profession. 

Over the course of our conversation, we talk about suffering — not just physical pain, but the existential kind. We explore how the brain anchors our identity, how its decline confronts us with profound questions, how medical education can improve by training doctors to be more reflective in their work, why an element of spirituality remains critical to medicine, what it means to accompany someone through decline, and more.

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

3:00 - Dr. Rhee‘s path to medicine

6:30 - The general scope of focus for a neuro-oncologist 

16:07 - Understanding the brain from both medical and existential perspectives 

26:36 - The mission of The Hippocratic Society

40:45 - Why “virtue” is central to the focus of The Hippocratic Society 

49:34 - How to get involved with The Hippocratic Society

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Neurosurgery is known as one of the most precise and demanding specialties in medicine. It requires absolute technical mastery in a surgical field where a millimeter’s difference can be the deciding factor between lifelong disability or a life restored. But what happens when a surgeon trained to be objective and detached experiences deep personal loss? How does it reshape the way they practice medicine? 

In this episode, we are joined by Joseph “Jody” Stern, MD, a neurosurgeon and the author of Grief Connects Us: A Neurosurgeon's Lessons on Love, Loss, and Compassion (2021). His book is an honest, deep, personal reflection on how losing his sister shattered the emotional armor he had built as a surgeon — and in doing so, made him a better doctor. Over the course of this conversation, 

Dr. Stern discusses the complexity of neurosurgery and what it teaches about the fragility of life; why the way we talk to patients and families matters just as much as the procedures we perform; how his own grief changed the way he approaches medicine; and the pressure in medicine to stay emotionally detached and why that might actually be harming both doctors and patients. This is a conversation that extends beyond grief. It's about how we, as doctors, patients, and people, can show up for each other in ways that truly matter.

In this episode, you’ll hear about:  

2:37 - How Dr. Stern became drawn to neurosurgery and what has kept him in the field 

6:00 - Dr. Stern’s quest to integrate palliative care into neurosurgery 

10:06 - Why medical training often makes it hard for trainees to remember their humanistic calling

15:54 - The importance of shifting medical training to focus to more on patient-centered care

23:41 - Rethinking medicine to better honor the humanity of the patient 

31:41 - Developing “emotional agility” as a physician 

37:09 - The personal and professional insights that Dr. Stern experienced when he helped his sister through her battle with leukemia 

47:47 - How to overcome compassion fatigue

54:15 - Dr. Stern’s advice for new clinicians 

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In medicine, we are trained to fight for life — to extend it, preserve it and restore it. But sometimes the goal shifts from curing to comforting. That, in brief, is the essence of palliative care. It compels us to ask what it means to truly care for a person at the end of life, not as a failure of medicine but as a profound act of love. 

In this episode, we enter a space where time slows down, where every moment is cherished, and where medicine is tantamount to presence, dignity, and grace. George Mark Children's House in California is the first freestanding pediatric palliative care center in the United States, a place where children with serious, life-limiting conditions can spend their time in a home-like setting and live fully, where families find respite, and where end-of-life care is infused with humanity and meaning. It's a place that helps families navigate one of the hardest journeys imaginable, offering not just medical support, but also emotional and spiritual care. 

Joining us is Shekinah Eliassen, CEO of George Mark Children's House, who has dedicated her life to reimagining how we care for children with complex and terminal illnesses. She opens up about how the loss of her first son drives her work to this day. We'll explore the essence of pediatric palliative care, the misconceptions, the difficult conversations, the small joys, and the profound impact of honoring life, no matter how brief. This is a conversation about medicine at its most intimate and compassionate.

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

2:53 - The family tragedy that introduced Eliassen to George Mark Children’s House

15:08 - Eliassen’s personal experience with pediatric palliative care and how her understanding has evolved

19:26 - How palliative care differs from physician aid in dying

23:21 -  George Mark Children’s House’s approach to pediatric palliative care 

28:09 - The importance of “savouring the moment”

37:04 - Limiting factors that currently prevent pediatric palliative care from expanding 

41:44 - The role that spirituality and religion play at George Mark Children’s House

48:17 -  Eliassen’s advice to her past self on how to prepare for the life-changing experience of child loss

Shekinah Eliassen can be found on Instagram at @shekinahceliassen.

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Medicine is often framed as a meritocracy, where intelligence, hard work, and dedication dictate success. Yet, institutions of medicine are shaped by histories of exclusion, bias, and systemic inequities. And for clinicians coming from marginalized backgrounds, the journey is not just about learning the science. It's also about learning an entirely different set of rules — rules that are unspoken and unwritten, but deeply felt. 

For Damon Tweedy, MD, this struggle was deeply personal. Raised in a working class, all-black neighborhood, medicine once felt worlds away. Earning a spot at Duke Medical School was a milestone, but it came with new challenges. The paradox of being both visible and invisible; of constantly proving — sometimes subtly, sometimes forcefully — that he belonged. Dr. Tweedy talks about the paradox of striving to be “twice as good,” while still being mistaken for the janitor, turning down an invitation to play golf with faculty because he simply did not know the game, and realizing that for some of his classmates, medicine was not a leap into the unknown, but simply an inheritance. 

Beyond race, this episode is also about identity, resilience, and what happens when personal history collides with professional expectation. It's about how trust in medicine is built or broken not just for doctors, but for patients. Dr. Tweedy shares how his own experiences have shaped the way he interacts with patients, why he approaches conversations with more humility, and why sometimes the most important thing a doctor can do is simply acknowledge the weight that a patient carries into the exam room. Ultimately, this episode is about the search for authenticity in a system that often demands conformity.

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

3:24 - Dr. Tweedy’s path to medicine and his experience as a black first-generation college student 

14:08 - How Dr. Tweedy navigates experiences of being discriminated against as a black physician

24:58 - Dr. Tweedy’s approach to navigating discriminatory experiences between patients and trainees 

29:56 - Dr. Tweedy’s path to becoming a public voice regarding race and medicine 

32:07 - The current approach to teaching race and medicine in medical school, and Dr. Tweedy’s thoughts on how it can be improved.  

43:42 - Effectively serving patients of different racial backgrounds without falling into profiling or prejudice 

48:49 - Dr. Tweedy’s advice for new medical students 

Dr. Damon Tweedy is the author of Black Man in a White Coat (2016) and Facing the Unseen (2024).

Dr. Tweedy can be found on Twitter/X at @damontweedymd.

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Physicians are trained to diagnose and treat disease, but they're not always taught how to lead. Yet in an era of increasing administrative burdens, evolving healthcare policies, and growing physician burnout, leadership skills have never been more essential. How can physicians reclaim their voices in healthcare decision making? What makes an effective physician leader in today's complex landscape? 

Here to answer these questions is Peter Angood, MD, President and CEO of the American Association for Physician Leadership, an organization dedicated to empowering physicians with the tools and strategies to lead successfully. With years of experience as a trauma surgeon and a leader of patient safety at organizations ranging from The Joint Commission to the World Health Organization, Dr. Angood has thought deeply about expanding the role of physicians beyond the bedside.

Over the course of our conversation. Dr. Angood first takes us into the mind of a trauma surgeon dealing with split-second life-or-death decisions, then discusses the evolving role of physician leadership, trends that concern and excite him about modern healthcare, and concrete skills all clinicians can develop to lead meaningful changes.

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

2:23 - How Dr. Angood became drawn to a career in medicine 

5:58 - The day-to-day experience of a trauma surgeon 

18:39 - How Dr. Angood expanded his role beyond the operating room

21:44 - The role of the Joint Commission

23:02 - Finding the balance between patient safety, teamwork, and physician autonomy 

31:37 - Dr. Angood’s leadership philosophy 

41:40 - Why all physicians should be seen as leaders

43:45 - Dr. Angood’s advice for how to be successful in a leadership role 

53:57 - Dr. Angood’s advice for new clinicians 

Dr. Angood is the author of Inspiring Growth and Leadership in Medical Careers: Transform Healthcare as a Physician Leader (2024) and All Physicians are Leaders: Reflections on Inspiring Change Together for Better Healthcare (2020). 

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The American diet is the leading cause of death among Americans. Accumulating medical evidence now shows that poor diet not only contributes to heart disease, diabetes, and stroke, but also to cancer, Alzheimer's disease, liver disease, and much more. Despite its direct and indirect roles in causing half or more of all deaths, food is not something doctors learn about in their training, nor is it something that's emphasized enough to patients by the medical establishment. 

Our guest on this episode is Michael Greger, MD, a specialist in lifestyle medicine and one of the most trusted voices in evidence based nutrition and public health. He is the internationally best selling author of How Not to Die (2015), How Not to Diet (2019), and How Not to Age (2023). 

Over the course of our conversation, Dr. Greger shares his approach to healthy living, focusing on the surprising power of whole-food, largely plant-based diets in transforming our bodies at a molecular level. He discusses strategies for helping patients and ourselves achieve behavioral change and explores how our brains and palates are rewired by processed foods, how we can reverse this, the ethics of patient counseling around lifestyle interventions, why there is such a mismatch between nutrition beliefs and behaviors among physicians, and his most high-yield recommendations for starting your journey to eating well.

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

2:45 - How Dr. Greger’s grandmother’s miraculous recovery due to diet change inspired him to build a career in nutrition science

6:58 - The disconnect that exists between the American medical system and the science of nutrition 

13:57 - Why nutrition education is lacking in American medical training 

21:31 - Issues with compliance among patients trying to adopt a lifestyle of healthy eating

28:00 - Supporting patients who are not interested in preventative healthcare measures 

35:15 - Navigating the confusing and often conflicting landscape of nutritional studies 

43:20 - Whether there is a universal dietary recommendation

46:49 - Simple ways to improve your diet, starting today

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In recent years, it has become evident that loneliness is one of the most pressing public health challenges of our time — so much so that the US Surgeon General has labeled it an epidemic with far reaching consequences. The pain of isolation doesn't merely gnaw at our sense of belonging: it undermines our physical wellbeing, erodes our mental health, and places an invisible strain on communities. In this climate of ever widening personal and cultural divides, the collective call for deeper human bonds feels both urgent and universal. 

Our guest on this episode is Julia Hotz, a journalist and passionate advocate for social prescribing, the practice of directing people to community activities and social support networks as part of their health care. She is the author of the book The Connection Cure: The Prescriptive Power of Movement, Nature, Art, Service and Belonging (2024), in which she argues that whether it's group classes, volunteer opportunities, or simply forging new friendships, true well-being is as much about our social fabric as it is about physical health. 

Over the course of our conversation, we discuss the psychology of isolation and loneliness, the tangible health effects of loneliness, the historical societal forces that drive humans increasingly apart, the role of social media in connecting and separating us, and how patients and physicians alike can take proactive and creative steps in making human connection an integral part of living well.

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

2:50 - What social prescribing is and how it became Hotz’ focus as a journalist

5:32 - How loneliness became a crisis in the era of social media 

18:46 - The ways in which social prescribing can change the conversation between doctors and patients

28:24 - The impact that our relationships and environments have on our physiological wellbeing 

38:29 - How doctors and health care systems can leverage the power of social prescribing 

45:00 - How social prescribing is beginning to find its place in the American healthcare system 

56:03 - How social prescribing can bring a stronger sense of meaning into the lives of both patients and doctors 

To learn more about how you can get involved in the social prescribing movement, Julia recommends visiting Social Prescribing USA and socialprescribing.co. 

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We have featured many techno-optimists on this show — healthcare leaders who believe that precision medicine and emerging technologies promise to revolutionize and democratize medicine in the best of ways. But look under the glossy veneer of this optimism and we see a far more complex story, one that touches on questions of power, inequity and the troubling ways in which genetics can be wielded, intentionally or not, to shape society in potentially dangerous ways. 

Our guest on this episode is James Tabery, PhD, a bioethicist, philosopher, and author of the book Tyranny of the Gene” Personalized Medicine and its Threat to Public Health (2024). Tabery gives us a tour of the rise of personalized and precision medicine, a field that promises to tailor treatments to our unique genetic profiles. Importantly, though, he highlights how the blind pursuit of these advances can distract us from larger public health challenges and exacerbate inequality. In our conversation, we explore the historical forces that have shaped modern genetics, ethical dilemmas involving the tension between patient autonomy and societal justice, and necessary guardrails around technological advances. 

We hope this conversation will challenge your assumptions, whether you are a clinician, a patient, or simply someone fascinated by the ways science shapes our world.

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

3:15 - How Tabery became drawn to his work in philosophy and bioethics 

5:30 - Tabery’s view on the potential perils of the constant march of scientific progress 

9:34 - The ways in which his father’s early experience with precision medicine shaped Tabery’s thinking on the topic  

19:33 - Examining the promises and realities of precision medicine 

30:12 - Navigating the inequities caused by the exorbitant cost of precision medicine

35:29 - The challenges doctors face when approaching “financial toxicity”

40:00 - Tabery’s worries about medical genetics and AI

49:51 - How innovation be controlled in order to better align with ethical concerns

James Tabery can be found on Twitter/X at @jamestabery. 

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Life can be hard when we are sick. But even when we aren't, life can still wear us down in quiet, surprising ways. Indeed, major traumas are relatively rare, and it's the moments when too many things go wrong at once, or we are exposed to prolonged periods of stress, that we fall into a spiral of exhaustion, fatigue, burnout, and hopelessness. 

Vincent Deary, PhD is an author and health psychologist who explores the mundane struggles of everyday life. His writings blend clinical insight, literary finesse and wisdom drawn from philosophy and art to illuminate how the wear and tear of life affect all of us, and how we can navigate through it all. He is the author of How We Are (2024), which explores the power of human routines and the challenges of personal change, and How We Break (2024), which delves into how individuals cope when pushed to their limits. 

Over the course of our conversation, we discuss what the clinical work of health psychology looks like, what happens to our minds when we deal with stressors in life, the importance of storytelling for psychological growth, balancing self-improvement with self-acceptance, the role of constitutional luck in our search for happiness, the importance of restorative rest, how clinicians can cope with grief and guilt from their work, and more. By bringing an empathetic lens to the complexities of modern existence, Vincent helps us create a path through difficult times. 

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

2:43 - What health psychology is and how Deary became drawn to this field 

18:58 - Deary’s motivations for exploring the emotional toll of experiencing life in his writings 

22:42 - The benefit of approaching each patient as a “case” 

31:46 - Finding a balance between self-improvement and self-acceptance 

38:10 - Using the bio-psycho-social model to explain our capacities for weathering stress

43:14 - Fostering a healthier perspective on work-life balance 

50:55 - The importance of community and institutional support in helping people process compassion fatigue 

58:05 - Strategies for connecting more deeply with patients within a clinical setting 

Vincent Deary can be found on Twitter/X at @vincentdeary.

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Variations of cryonics — the long term storage of human beings, usually at low temperatures — have long been featured in science fiction. In stories involving space travel, it’s often used as a solution for long-duration journeys. But increasingly, this is not just the stuff of fiction anymore. 

The prospect of preserving ourselves, potentially indefinitely, forces us to ask some of the most profound questions we have ever faced: are we meant to transcend the boundaries of our mortal lives? What does it mean to be alive? If life can be extended, what happens to its meaning, urgency, and beauty? These questions, by turns technological, philosophical, ethical and even spiritual, are what we explore in this episode. 

Ariel Zeleznikow-Johnson, PhD is a neuroscientist who studies the nature of conscious experiences to better understand how we can preserve cognitive function. His book The Future Loves You: How and Why We Should Abolish Death (2024), explores the viability of delaying death and its societal implications. Over the course of our conversation, we discuss the science of human preservation, definitions of life and death, broader questions about how we derive meaning from life, whether or not the finitude of human experience is essential to our conceptions of a well-lived life, our social contract with future generations, and more.

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

2:44 - How Dr. Zeleznikow-Johnson became interested in the future of longevity

6:00 -  Dr. Zeleznikow-Johnson’s definitions of “life” and “death”

14:29 - Why Dr. Zeleznikow-Johnson thinks that believing death is inevitable is a form of “learned helplessness”

17:52 - The level of faith one would need to have in the future of technology to consent to cryosleep 

24:16: - Whether the finitude of human existence is essential to its meaning

29:05 - Whether every death is an inherent tragedy

30:25 - How the limitations of the human brain could impede longevity 

33:16 - The ethical dilemma that would arise due to the financial costs of this technology 

36:30 - Why Dr. Zeleznikow-Johnson is confident that cryonics will be successful 

46:42 - The core thesis of Dr. Zeleznikow-Johnson’s book The Future Loves You

50:15 - Whether immortality is a desirable objective

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One of the most mysterious and frightening entities in medicine are prion diseases — rare neurodegenerative disorders that are usually infectious in nature but involve not bacteria or viruses, but proteins. Prions are misfolded proteins that can induce normal proteins to become misfolded as well, resulting in a chain reaction that leads to irreversible brain damage and death. What makes prions alarming is that they are incurable, can incubate for decades in a person's brain without symptoms, and are usually associated with 100% mortality within months to a few years. 

Sonia Vallabh, PhD was a recently-married lawyer in her early career when she witnessed her mother's baffling sudden health decline and death. Her mother was ferried from hospital to hospital, yet dozens of doctors could not figure out why she was seemingly succumbing to rapidly progressive dementia at the age of 52. It wasn't until after her death that Vallabh discovered the cause was a genetic prion disease. Subsequent testing revealed that Sonia Vallabh herself had inherited the same genetic abnormality. Determined to find a solution, Vallabh and her husband Eric, a transportation engineer, decided to retrain as biomedical scientists in a race to cure her before it grew too late. The couple now leads a prion research lab at the Broad Institute at MIT and Harvard. They are also the co-founders of the nonprofit Prion Alliance. 

Over the course of our conversation, Vallabh opens up about what it was like to accompany her mother in her last months of life, the psychological toll of dealing with a fatal medical mystery, how she lives each day with an awareness of how ephemeral life is, what prion diseases are and what makes them so difficult to treat, what makes her optimistic about the future of her work, and more. 

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

3:23 - Vallabh’s early memories of her mother and the devastating experience that overcame her at 52 years old

16:37 - The process of grieving the loss a parent

22:32 - What prion diseases are

25:35 - How Vallabh made the decision to undergo the genetic testing that confirmed she inherited a mutation thah causes prion disease 

36:27 - Vallabh’s major career change to become biomedical researchers 

45:50 - Where the quest for an effective therapy for prion disease currently stands 

52:08 - Vallabh’s message to listeners on how to approach life 

View Sonia Vallabh’s TED Talk on her quest to cure prion disease. 

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The second half of the 20th century saw monumental shifts in civil rights in the United States, with the end of legalized racial segregation, discrimination, and disenfranchisement affecting all spheres of life, from education to health care to housing to marriage and more. 

Judge David S. Tatel is a civil rights lawyer who has contributed to key advancements in voting rights, educational equality, and disability rights. Over the course of his five-decade career, he has served as Director of the National Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, as Director of the Office for Civil Rights during the Carter administration, and as a federal judge on the D.C. Circuit, considered the second highest court in America. 

Judge Tatel also happens to be blind, due to a rare genetic condition called retinitis pigmentosa. In 2024, he published a book titled Vision: A Memoir of Blindness and Justice. 

Over the course of our conversation, Judge Tatel opens up about how he has wrestled with vision impairment in both his legal career and his personal life. He discusses what it was like to be diagnosed with an incurable, progressive, blinding disease as a teenager, how he struggled to make sense of his identity as a blind individual even as his career was taking off, his philosophy as a lawyer, how his beautiful relationship with his wife and children have helped him navigate the world, and how he met his guide dog, Vixen. Judge Tatel's legacy is one of judicial integrity, a lifelong commitment to equality, and a testament to the boundless potential of individuals living with disabilities.

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

3:45 - Judge Tatel’s experience of being diagnosed with retinitis pigmentosa as a teenager 

15:33 - The inspiration that led Judge Tatel to focus his legal career on civil rights

22:47 - Judge Tatel’s experience of progressively losing his vision while ascending in his legal career 

28:05 - Visual elements of life that Judge Tatel misses and how he now “experiences” vision

33:12 - Why Judge Tatel regrets concealing the truth about his blindness early in his career 

37:01 - How Judge Tatel’s blindness has influenced his civil rights work

44:45 - Judge Tatel’s concerns about the future of democracy in the United States 

46:27 - The ways in which getting a guide dog late in life changed Judge Tatel’s sense of freedom and his perspective on blindness 

49:06 - Judge Tatel’s advice to his former self 

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Addiction is often misunderstood not just by the public, but also by clinicians. It challenges us as individuals, families, and communities. To understand addiction is to understand not only human behavior and neuroscience, but also social networks, public policies, and bioethics. Our guest on this episode, Keith Humphreys, PhD, is a psychologist who specializes in addiction and has served on the White House Commission on Drug Free Communities during the Bush administration, and as Senior Policy Advisor to the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy during the Obama administration. His research on recovery support systems like Alcoholics Anonymous and on the opioid crisis has shaped how we understand addiction recovery.

Over the course of our conversation, Dr. Humphreys shares how he became interested in addiction medicine, what happens to our brains when we become addicted, the difficulty of balancing interventions with a respect for patient autonomy, why social networks can be powerful tools in addiction recovery, possible solutions to the opioid crisis, and how clinicians can better establish trust with patients facing addiction.

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

2:36 - How Dr. Humphreys became interested in studying the psychology of addiction 

4:34 - The neuroscience of addiction 

9:15 - Whether addictive behavior is a matter of personal choice 

16:27 - How clinicians can address patients who do not yet recognize their addiction as a problem

21:36 - What GLP-1 inhibitors can tell us about the mechanisms of addiction 

26:07 - The benefits of peer support groups (like Alcoholics Anonymous) for addiction recovery

32:55 - Dr. Humphreys' work on drug policy 

37:32 - The rise of the opioid crisis

43:05 - Policy models to address substance abuse

48:24 - How medical professionals who are struggling with addiction can seek help 

51:25 - Dr. Humphreys' advice for clinicians on how to connect with patients who are struggling with addiction 

Dr. Keith Humphreys can be found on Twitter/X at @KeithNHumphreys.

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One of the most fascinating concepts in human health is the idea of social contagion, meaning that emotions, behaviors, and health outcomes can spread through social networks, much like infectious diseases. Examples in the medical literature abound: if a person becomes obese, their friends have a significantly higher chance of becoming obese — even their friends of friends have increased odds of becoming obese. Similarly, someone who quit smoking is likely to create a ripple effect through their social networks, influencing many more people to quit smoking. Social contagion affects life and death itself — after the death of a spouse, the surviving partner's mortality risk increases, and conversely, strong social networks are protective against early death. 

Much of the groundwork of our understanding of the powerful health effects of social networks laid by Nicholas Christakis, MD, PhD, MPH, a physician-turned-social scientist who is the author of multiple best selling books, including Apollo's Arrow: The Profound and Enduring Impact of Coronavirus On the Way We Live (2020) in Blueprint: The Evolutionary Origins of a Good Society (2019).

In this episode, Dr. Christakis shares his remarkable path to medicine and sociology, beginning from witnessing his mother's struggle through serious illness, to his foray into palliative medicine, and finally to his life's work on the social, economic and evolutionary determinants of human welfare. We discuss the mechanisms by which social contagion functions, why modern medicine does a disservice to patients by atomizing their medical problems, how the COVID-19 pandemic illustrates the effects of social networks on public health, the philosophical implications of living an interconnected life, and why human beings are wired to build good societies through our capacity for love, friendship and cooperation.

In this episode, you’ll hear about 

3:17 - Dr. Christakis’s path to medicine through witnessing his mother’s serious illness 

15:05 - How Dr. Christakis became passionate about studying the effects of social networks 

24:43 - How social networks affect an individual’s health 

31:28 - The negative effects that COVID-19 restrictions had on patients and their loved ones

38:58 - The central thesis of Dr. Christakis’s 2019 book Blueprint: The Evolutionary Origins of a Good Society 

50:38 - Dr. Christakis’s thoughts on how to live a meaningful life  

Dr. Nicholas Christakis can be found on Twitter/X at @NAChristakis.

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Digital technologies have saturated our lives and there is no going back. Given this, it's worth pondering whether and how they are fundamentally reshaping our mind and our relationships. 

A seminal work that explores these issues is the 2010 book The Shallows: What the Internet Is Doing to Our Brains, by journalist Nicholas Carr. In it, he argues that the internet is “shallowing” our brains, meaning that as we offload cognitive tasks to digital tools, our ability to read linearly, to absorb and immerse ourselves in complex information, is reduced. But more than that, the internet curtails our emotional depth and compassion, diminishing our humanity and rendering us more computer-like, as we process information in short bursts, skim for quick answers, and operate with frenetic attention spans. In Carr’s 2014 book The Glass Cage, he discusses how the increasing automation of tasks leads to a decrease in human agency, creativity, and problem solving capability.

In this episode, Carr joins us to discuss the neuroplasticity of the brain, the mechanisms by which digital technologies reduce our ability to think deeply, how the failures of electronic medical records illustrate the limitations of technology, what social media does to our relationships, the value of focused, reflective thought in a fast paced world, what we can all do to remain independent of technology, and more.

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

2:42 - Carr’s path to researching and writing about the human consequences of technology

5:38 - The central thesis of Carr’s 2010 book The Shallows 

15:27 - Whether the cognitive impacts of digital technologies are reversible or permanent

21:18 - Whether society is better or worse off due to social media and the internet

25:38 - How modern technology has changed the medical profession 

38:22 - Carr’s thesis for his upcoming book Superbloom

45:21 - How society can address the loss of focus and empathy that has occurred as a result of social media 

Nicholas Carr can be found on Twitter/X at @roughtype.

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Medicine is filled with stories that illustrate the most beautiful, devastating, hopeful, and consequential moments of life. But how do we capture these moments and transform them into everlasting lessons that guide us on our search for meaning? That's where the art of storytelling comes in. 

Our guest on this episode is Anna Reisman, MD, director of the Program for Humanities in Medicine at the Yale School of Medicine. Dr. Reisman is not only a physician-writer whose essays have appeared in The Atlantic, The New York Times, and other major outlets. She has also dedicated her career to helping clinicians better reflect and write about their experiences. 

Over the course of our conversation, we discuss how Dr. Reisman went from being an English major in college to working as a physician, her own experiences with burnout and what helped her overcome it, her approach to creative nonfiction writing, concrete ways that writing sharpens the mind of the physician, and more.

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

2:00 - Dr. Reisman’s path from English major to physician 

3:45 - The scope of Dr. Reisman’s current work 

8:22 - How Dr. Reisman became involved in medical humanities and how she created a writer workshop at Yale Medicine

14:19 - How writing and the medical profession goes hand in hand 

22:49 - The VA Writes reflective writing group 

27:56 - Teaching observational skills to medical students in today’s technology-forward landscape

30:25 - How to approach the writing process if you are new to writing 

45:57 - What Dr. Reisman wishes she would have known at the beginning of her career 

Dr. Anna Reisman can be found on Twitter/X at @annareisman. 

A list of Dr. Reisman’s essays can be found on MuckRack. 

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During the first year of the COVID-19 pandemic, the phrase “Healthcare Heroes” echoed through hospital walls and city streets. For many people, this felt like an overdue acknowledgment of the difficult and important work that healthcare professionals carried out during the most devastating healthcare crisis the world had seen in a century. But this phrase can also be problematic, romanticizing the sacrifices of individual clinicians without addressing the systemic failures that put them at risk, overlooking the mental health struggles they experienced, and undermining healthcare environments that encourage reflection about respect and duty. 

Our guest on this episode is Dhaval Desai, MD, a hospitalist at Emory Healthcare in Georgia and the author of the book Burning Out on the Covid Front Lines: A Doctor's Memoir of Fatherhood, Race, and Perseverance in the Pandemic (2023), in which he details his personal narrative as a healthcare leader and frontline physician fighting to hold his hospital together. 

Over the course of our conversation, Dr. Desai shares why he decided to train in both internal medicine and pediatrics, how his experiences caring for his ailing father revealed the flaws of our healthcare systems, the nerve-wracking first few months of the COVID-19 pandemic, his own struggles as a leader, healer, father, and husband during a time of deep uncertainty, how we can all better connect with patients through even a few moments of shared humanity amid our busy days, and more.

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

2:36 - Dr. Desai’s path to medicine

5:05 - How a Med-Peds residency differs from other medical residency tracks 

8:06 - How Dr. Desai’s personal experiences have shaped his approach to patient advocacy 

11:53 - Dr. Desai’s personal and professional life leading up to the COVID-19 pandemic

18:46 - Dr. Desai’s opinion on why it is important for leaders to be able to express emotion 

24:53 - How Dr. Desai used his leadership role to help his staff navigate the emotional turmoil of the pandemic experience 

28:32 - Moments when Dr. Desai suffered heavily from burnout

34:47 - Stories of the isolating effects of COVID-19 in the ER 

39:53 - Our society’s support of healthcare workers

46:19 - Advice for young clinicians on ensuring humanity stays central to their work 

Dr. Dhaval Desai can be found on Instagram at @doctordesaimd and on X/Twitter @DrDesaiMDx.

In this episode, we discussed the New York Times article “I Couldn’t Do Anything: The Virus and an E.R. Doctor’s Suicide” 

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Precision medicine — the approach to health care that involves tailoring medical interventions to an individual's genetic makeup, environment and lifestyle — promises to deliver the right treatment to the right person at the right time. From preventing diseases decades before they appear, to specially designed cocktails of cancer drugs, to genetic modification of rare diseases, many of these applications sound straight out of science fiction. 

At the forefront of precision medicine and medical genomics is Euan Ashley, MBChB, DPhill, Chair of Medicine at Stanford University Medical Center. A cardiologist and intensive care physician by training, Dr. Ashley has pioneered the use of genetic sequencing to identify risk factors for heart disease and new treatments for rare diseases. He is also the author of The Genome Odyssey: Medical Mysteries and the Incredible Quest to Solve Them (2021).

Over the course of our conversation, we discuss his path from growing up in a small Scottish town to now working at the cutting edge of medicine, the excitement and fulfillment he experiences as a clinician in the cardiac intensive care unit, remarkable patient stories of healing and resilience, the future of precision medicine, why he is optimistic about the development of artificial intelligence, and more.

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

2:24 - Dr. Ashley’s path to medicine and to cardiology 

7:19 - What life is like working in the CCU

21:34 - How the Undiagnosed Diseases Network was founded and what it does

33:22 - An overview of precision medicine

38:09 - The impact that genetic testing and genomic medicine is having on modern medicine and where it could go from here 

45:00 - Dr. Ashley’s thoughts on how AI will change the field of medicine 

51:40 - Making access to medical advancements in AI and genomics more equitable 

1:04:39 - Dr. Ashley’s advice for healthcare professionals in training 

Dr. Euan Ashley can be found on Twitter/X at @euanashley. 

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Joseph Sakran, MD, MPH was a teenager in a small town in Virginia when, in 1994, his life took a dramatic turn. At the age of 17, he was out with his friends after a high school football game when a nearby gunfight broke out and he was struck by a stray bullet in the throat. The bullet, tearing through his windpipe and a carotid artery, brought him to the razor edge of death before he was saved by trauma surgeons. 

Thirty years later, Dr. Sakran is now a trauma surgeon who serves as Director of Emergency General Surgery at the Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore and a vocal advocate of reducing firearm injury through public health initiatives at the state and national levels. Following the 2018 comment by the National Rifle Association that doctors should “stay in their lane” with regard to gun violence prevention, Dr. Sakran started the #ThisIsOurLane movement, mobilizing thousands of health care professionals to advocate for gun violence as a public health crisis. 

Over the course of our conversation, Dr. Sakran shares his harrowing experience of being shot and what it was like to be confronted with imminent death, how his perspectives on and priorities in life changed after the incident, what goes on in his mind when he operates on victims of gun violence, how he connects with his patients over shared experiences of trauma, how all clinicians can be more empathetic with their patients, and why advocacy is integral to the work of a physician. 

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

2:46 - How a personal tragedy set Dr. Sakran on the path to becoming a trauma surgeon 

9:51 - How Dr. Sakran’s perspective on life was altered by his personal experience with gun violence

13:11 - How Dr. Sakran’s experiences informs his approach to speaking with patients and their loved ones during traumatic situations 

19:09 - The importance of showing empathy to build rapport with patients and families

23:51 - What it is like to tend to victims of violence 

29:26 - Addressing the public health crisis of gun violence in America 

37:41 - How clinicians can become more involved in advocacy

45:32 - Dr. Sakran’s advice to future clinicians 

Dr. Joseph Sakran can be found on Twitter/X at @josephsakran.

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To the best of our knowledge, humans appear to be unique among animals in our awareness of mortality — at least in our capacity for existential reflection about death in an abstract, cultural, and symbolic sense. With this capacity comes profound psychological experiences, from our search for meaning, to our struggle with grief, to a yearning for the spiritual. 

Our guest on this episode is Dr. Rachel Clarke, a palliative care physician based in the United Kingdom who entered medicine after an initial career in journalism. As she would discover, her love for language and storytelling has turned out to be one of the most important ways she helps patients heal in some of the most devastating moments of their lives. As a writer. Dr. Clarke is the author of multiple best selling books, including Dear Life: A Doctor's Story of Love and Loss (2020), Your Life in My Hands: A Junior Doctor's Story (2017), and Breathtaking (2021), which was adapted into a TV series of the same name. Her writing, imbued with both grace and grit, invites readers to confront difficult truths about mortality, suffering, and the inequities of the healthcare system, while also offering a vision of medicine that is as deeply human as it is healing. Over the course of our conversation, we discuss her journey to medicine by way of journalism, her reflections on the moral imperatives that drive her work, the power of storytelling in comforting patients, why suffering is inextricably connected to love, and more. 

In this episode, you’ll hear about:

3:12 - Why Dr. Clarke switched careers from journalism to palliative care

9:46 - The challenge modern doctors and patients face when it comes to thinking about mortality 

15:09 - Supporting a patient’s psychological suffering through conversation 

20:31 - Grappling with what Dr. Clarke calls the “essential paradox of being a human being” — our awareness of mortality

33:41 - The experience of watching a person die and the reverence we hold for the bodies of the dead 

43:05 - The doctor’s dual responsibilities of navigating both science and human emotions

Dr. Rachel Clarke is the author of four books, including most recently, The Story of a Heart (2024). 

Dr. Clarke can be found on Twitter/X at @doctor_oxford.

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Modern medicine has long considered many neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer's disease and Parkinson's disease to be immutably linked to the fate of certain unlucky individuals through yet-poorly understood genetic mechanisms. But increasingly, we are seeing evidence that some of our lifestyle choices, including our diet, physical activity, and relationships, may play a significant role in the development of, or protection against, these diseases. Our guest on this episode, David Perlmutter, MD, is a neurologist and writer whose immensely popular books, including Grain Brain: The Surprising Truth About Wheat, Carbs, and Sugar — Your Brain’s Silent Killers (2013), discuss why diets low in refined carbohydrates and high in fats, in addition to foods that nurture a healthy gut microbiome, may prevent cognitive decline. 

Over the course of our conversation, we discuss Dr. Perlmutter's path from conventional neurology to moving towards a more functional and holistic approach to treating brain disorders, the importance of metabolic health in maintaining our cognitive capacities, how Dr. Perlmutter responds to critics of his non-conventional medical advice, why nutrition science is riddled with messy and conflicting findings and how we can better navigate through it all, what clinicians can do to better help their patients live well, and more. 

Note: Some of Dr. Perlmutter’s ideas and recommendations have been the subject of debate and controversy within the medical community. While we believe in fostering open dialog and exploring diverse perspectives, the views expressed in this episode are those of Dr. Perlmutter and do not necessarily reflect the views or endorsements of this podcast. We encourage listeners to critically evaluate the information presented and work with qualified healthcare professionals when making any changes to their health and wellness routines.

In this episode, you’ll hear about: 

3:11 - Dr. Perlmutter’s transition from conventional neurology to what he calls “preventative” neurology

8:43 - Dr. Perlmutter’s views on what constitutes a “disease” and the role of the doctor. 

19:08 - Emerging science on the importance of metabolic health on brain health 

25:17 - How scientific studies on preventative health can be (and have been) designed 

34:56 - Why Dr. Perlmutter prioritizes health markers (such as HbA1c) over specific dietary recommendations when working with patients

42:21 - Dr. Perlmutter’s views on GLP-1 antagonists such as Ozempic and Mounjaro

50:36 - How Dr. Perlmutter has dealt with critics of his work

Dr. David Perlmutter is the author of eight books. 

Dr. Perlmutter can be found on Twitter/X at @davidperlmutter. 

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