Ep 36 - Anthrozoological Insights with Dr Aubrey Fine, pt 2/2. 

Welcome to Episode 36 of the Anthrozoology Podcast. In this episode, we explore companion-animal - human connections, psychology, and interventions with renowned psychologist and anthrozoologist, Dr Aubrey Fine. Dr. Fine shares his career inspiration, challenges, and research interests in companion-animal-assisted therapy. He recounts his personal journey from a fear of companion-animals to working with them in therapy, combining clinical work, writing, and research in companion-animal-assisted interventions since the mid-1960s. Dr. Fine discusses using animals for therapy and communication with children, highlighting the introduction of his first pet, a gerbil named Sasha, to a program for children with learning disabilities in 1973.

Dr Fine describes the diverse range of companion-animals he works with, from dogs to lizards, and emphasizes the importance of respecting all as sentient beings. He shares personal stories, such as his connection with a bearded dragon named Spikey, who helped children with similar challenges. The episode also addresses the significance of companion-animal welfare, education, and agency, with Dr. Fine stressing the importance of recognising the non-verbal cues of companion-animals and respecting their boundaries.

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Podlet Guest

Dr Aubrey Fine

email: ahfine@gmail.com

Websites: https://www.aubreyhfine.com/

PodCrew

Dr. Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter

tinehill@gmail.com 

https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/

Dr. Michelle Szydlowski

ms835@exeter.ac.uk

www.internationalelephants.org

@intl_elephants

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Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Candidate, University of Exeter

sh750@exeter.ac.uk ​

www.kissingsharks.com/

N.B. Copyright of image behind Sarah in the video is held by Cristina Zenato.

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References

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​​Fine, A.H. et al. (2023) The Routledge International Handbook of Human-Animal Interactions and Anthrozoology, The Routledge International Handbook of Human-Animal Interactions and Anthrozoology. Routledge. Available at: https://doi.org/10.4324/9781032153346.

Fine, A.H. (2014) Our Faithful Companions - Exploring the essence of our kinship with animals. Alpine Pubns Inc. Available at: https://www.aubreyhfine.com/faithful-companion.

Fine, A.H. (2019) ‘Handbook on Animal-Assisted Therapy: Foundations and Guidelines for Animal-Assisted Interventions’, Handbook on Animal-Assisted Therapy: Foundations and Guidelines for Animal-Assisted Interventions, pp. 1–515. Available at: https://doi.org/10.1016/C2017-0-03315-3. https://www.hse.ru/data/2019/04/24/1182243591/[Aubrey_H._Fine]_Handbook_on_Animal-Assisted_Thera(z-lib.org).pdf

Fine, A.H. and J, E.C. (2016) Afternoons with Puppy - Inspirations from a Therapist and His Animals. ‎Purdue University Press. Available at: https://www.press.purdue.edu/9781557537669/.

Thefamilydog (2015) Stop The 77. YouTube. Available at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABDrhNBwdpk.

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Welcome to Episode 35 of the Anthrozoology Podcast. In this episode, we explore companion-animal - human connections, psychology, and interventions with renowned psychologist and anthrozoologist, Dr Aubrey Fine. Dr. Fine shares his career inspiration, challenges, and research interests in companion-animal-assisted therapy.

He recounts his personal journey from a fear of companion-animals to working with them in therapy, combining clinical work, writing, and research in companion-animal-assisted interventions since the mid-1960s. Dr. Fine discusses using animals for therapy and communication with children, highlighting the introduction of his first pet, a gerbil named Sasha, to a program for children with learning disabilities in 1973. Dr Fine describes the diverse range of companion-animals he works with, from dogs to lizards, and emphasizes the importance of respecting all as sentient beings. He shares personal stories, such as his connection with a bearded dragon named Spikey, who helped children with similar challenges. The episode also addresses the significance of companion-animal welfare, education, and agency, with Dr. Fine stressing the importance of recognising the non-verbal cues of companion-animals and respecting their boundaries. Please subscribe to get notified about our next podcast!

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To access audio versions please our official Website: https://anthrozoopod.wixsite.com/anthrozoopod Podlet Guest Dr Aubrey Fine email: ahfine@gmail.com Websites: https://www.aubreyhfine.com/ PodCrew Dr. Kris Hill https://academiccatlady.com/ Dr. Michelle Szydlowski ms835@exeter.ac.uk www.internationalelephants.org @intl_elephants Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Candidate, University of Exeter sh750@exeter.ac.uk ​ www.kissingsharks.com/ N.B. Copyright of image behind Sarah in the video is held by Cristina Zenato. References ​​Fine, A.H. et al. (2023) The Routledge International Handbook of Human-Animal Interactions and Anthrozoology, The Routledge International Handbook of Human-Animal Interactions and Anthrozoology. Routledge. Available at: https://doi.org/10.4324/9781032153346. Fine, A.H. (2014) Our Faithful Companions - Exploring the essence of our kinship with animals. Alpine Pubns Inc. Available at: https://www.aubreyhfine.com/faithful-companion. Fine, A.H. (2019) ‘Handbook on Animal-Assisted Therapy: Foundations and Guidelines for Animal-Assisted Interventions’, Handbook on Animal-Assisted Therapy: Foundations and Guidelines for Animal-Assisted Interventions, pp. 1–515. Available at: https://doi.org/10.1016/C2017-0-03315-3. https://www.hse.ru/data/2019/04/24/1182243591/[Aubrey_H._Fine]_Handbook_on_Animal-Assisted_Thera(z-lib.org).pdf Fine, A.H. and J, E.C. (2016) Afternoons with Puppy - Inspirations from a Therapist and His Animals. ‎Purdue University Press. Available at: https://www.press.purdue.edu/9781557537669/. Thefamilydog (2015) Stop The 77. YouTube. Available at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABDrhNBwdpk.

Today we are starting a new recurrent theme on the podcast, focused on the history, definition, and future of the field of anthrozoology. These episodes will be interspersed among our other content throughout the upcoming year. 

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We are honored to welcome our podcast guest, Dr. Ken Shapiro. Dr. Shapiro is a clinical psychologist, focused on the assessment and treatment of juveniles and adults who abuse animals. He is also the founder of the Animals and Society Institute, a founding editor of Society and Animals journal and the Brill Human-animal Studies book series, and the co-founding editor of the Journal of Applied Animal Welfare Science

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Dr. Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter kh458@exeter.ac.uk https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/

Dr. Michelle Szydlowski ms835@exeter.ac.uk www.internationalelephants.org @intl_elephants

Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Candidate, University of Exeter sh750@exeter.ac.uk ​hwww.kissingsharks.com/

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Dr Ken Shapiro, https://www.linkedin.com/in/animalsandsociety/

Through expert interviews, personal insights, and research findings, "The Anthrozoology Podcast" seeks to foster a deeper understanding of our relationships with animals and inspire meaningful conversations about our place in the natural world. Subscribe to "The Anthrozoology Podcast" on your preferred podcast platform and join us on this enlightening journey as we explore the intricacies of anthropomorphism and its impact on our perception of the morethanhuman-animal kingdom.

References: 

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Alger, J. M., & Alger, S. F. (1997). Beyond Mead: Symbolic Interaction between Humans and Felines. Society & Animals, 5(1), 65-81. https://doi.org/10.1163/156853097X00222

Animals & Society Institute: https://www.animalsandsociety.org/ 

DeMello, M., & Shapiro, K. (2010). The State of Human-Animal Studies. Society & Animals, 18(3), 307-318. https://doi.org/10.1163/156853010X510807

Outdoor Cats. Special Issue in Society & AnimalsVolume 30 (2022): Issue 7 (Dec 2022). https://brill.com/view/journals/soan/30/7/soan.30.issue-7.xml

Shapiro, Ken. Defining HAS: Naming the Field by Ken Shapiro. Video: https://www.animalsandsociety.org/resources/resources-for-scholars/defining-human-animal-studies-an-asi-video-project/naming-field-ken-shapiro/ 

Shapiro, K. (2002). The State of Human-Animal Studies: Solid, at the Margin!. Society & Animals, 10(4), 331-337. https://doi.org/10.1163/156853002320936773

Shapiro, K. (2020). Human-Animal Studies: Remembering the Past, Celebrating the Present, Troubling the Future. Society & Animals, 28(7), 797-833. https://doi.org/10.1163/15685306-BJA10029

Singer, Peter (1975). Animal Liberation. https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/29380 

Wilkie, R. (2015). Academic “Dirty Work”: Mapping Scholarly Labor in a Tainted Mixed-Species Field. Society & Animals, 23(3), 211-230. https://doi.org/10.1163/15685306-12341312

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In this episode, Mohammed from Saudi Arabia's Tabuk Paws joins us to share his experiences surrounding the issue of cat abandonment in Saudi Arabia. This episode is the second in a series that will explore the dimensions of cat abandonment in Saudi Arabia. Mohammed has been working with Sarah, one of our podcast hosts for 10 years, and together they, with other volunteers, are trying to bring changes to improve the lives of street-living felines. The paper referred to in the podcast is found here -https://anthrozoologyassymbioticethics.wordpress.com/ease-working-paper-series-volume-1-emerging-voices/ pages 54-88. It can also be read on Sarah's website which also has conference presentations discussing feline lives in Saudi Arabia : https://www.kissingsharks.com/felinelivessaudiarabia The viral video of Mohammed and Lovebug mentioned in the podcast can be found here: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJwPK17Q/ Links to Tabuk Paws website and social media can be found here: https://linktr.ee/tabukpaws

Ep25: Abandoned Cats in Saudi Arabia In this episode, we'll be delving into a pressing and often overlooked concern as we engage in a discussion with Sarah, one of our podcast hosts. Sarah's unique perspective emerges from her research into the pervasive issue of cat abandonment in Saudi Arabia. Notably, she's also an integral member of a small yet dedicated rescue team operating within a city in the country. Sarah's work is more than just academic; it's deeply rooted in her active participation in the field, where she plays a vital role in rescuing abandoned felines. Her insights, therefore, offer a comprehensive understanding of the challenges faced by these abandoned animals and the efforts made to alleviate their suffering. This episode marks the beginning of a series that will explore the multifaceted dimensions of cat abandonment in Saudi Arabia. We'll examine the causes, the impact on local communities, and the tireless work being undertaken by individuals to make a difference. Join us in this informative and insightful conversation as we shed light on the complex issue of cat abandonment in Saudi Arabia, and the dedicated individuals striving to create positive change. Thank you for tuning in to this podcast, where we begin our exploration of this vital subject.

Episode 24 : The Anthrozoology Podcast: Exploring Anthropomorphism and its Implications Welcome to "The Anthrozoology Podcast," where we dive deep into the fascinating world of anthropomorphism and its impact on our understanding of human-animal relationships. Join your hosts, Sarah, Kris, and Michelle, as we navigate the complexities of attributing human characteristics to non-human beings and objects.

In this podcast, we explore the concept of anthropomorphism and its various definitions. From the attribution of human-like physical features to nonhumans, to ascribing humanlike intentions, beliefs, and emotions, anthropomorphism is a topic that sparks both fascination and debate. We examine the origins of the term and its significance across different cultures, questioning whether it is solely a Western-dominated perspective or a broader form of knowledge system. "The Anthrozoology Podcast" delves into the reasons behind anthropomorphism's existence and its implications for our understanding of morethanhuman-animals. We discuss the different types of anthropomorphism, and examine how nuanced categorizations shed light on the diverse ways in which humans attribute human characteristics to non-human entities. Through thought-provoking discussions, we examine the applications of anthropomorphism in various fields, including theology, robotics, and our everyday interactions with animals. We explore how anthropomorphism can be both a tool for understanding and a potential hindrance, obscuring the true nature of animal experiences and behaviors. Join us as we unravel the controversies, challenges, and possibilities surrounding anthropomorphism. Please subscribe to get notified about our next podcast! Follow us on Twitter: @TheAnthrozoopod Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/anthrozoopod/ Follow us on TikTok @anthrozoology_ To access audio versions please our official Website: https://anthrozoopod.wixsite.com/anthrozoopod ​PodCrew Dr. Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter kh458@exeter.ac.uk https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/ Dr. Michelle Szydlowski ms835@exeter.ac.uk www.internationalelephants.org @intl_elephants Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Student, University of Exeter sh750@exeter.ac.uk ​www.kissingsharks.com/ Through expert interviews, personal insights, and research findings, "The Anthrozoology Podcast" seeks to foster a deeper understanding of our relationships with animals and inspire meaningful conversations about our place in the natural world. Subscribe to "The Anthrozoology Podcast" on your preferred podcast platform and join us on this enlightening journey as we explore the intricacies of anthropomorphism and its impact on our perception of the morethanhuman- animal kingdom. References: Here

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Episode 23: Introducing Our New Logo The Anthrozoology Podcast is pleased to share some exciting news! Join us for this quick update introducing our brand new logo, our updated goals, and our future plans. The logo, along with other updates to the podcast, were made possible through the generous support of the Australasian Animal Studies Association (AASA) Activity Grant. Please subscribe to get notified about our next podcast! Follow us on Twitter: @TheAnthrozoopod Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/anthrozoopod/ Follow us on TikTok @anthrozoology_ To access audio versions please our official Website: https://anthrozoopod.wixsite.com/anthrozoopod ​PodCrew Dr. Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter kh458@exeter.ac.uk https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/ Dr. Michelle Szydlowski ms835@exeter.ac.uk www.internationalelephants.org @intl_elephants Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Student, University of Exeter sh750@exeter.ac.uk ​hwww.kissingsharks.com/

Today we are continuing our discussion of ‘power words’, terms that humans use to control the narratives of otherthanhuman lives. Today’s term is ‘feral’, and it is a contentious term, in our opinion. Our paper on this topic ‘Uncivilised Behaviors’ was published last year in Society and Animals journal, and today we will unpack that paper in a discussion with our special guest and coauthor, Debbie Busby. Please subscribe to get notified about our next podcast!

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Podlet Guest: Debbie Busby Registered Clinical Animal Behaviourist for Horses and Dogs PhD Candidate, Manchester Metropolitan University deborah.busby@stu.mmu.ac.uk https://evolutionequine.wordpress.com/ References and Resources Merrian-Webster Dictionary Definition of “Feral” https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/feral#:~:text=%3A%20of%2C%20relating%20to%2C%20or,not%20domesticated%20or%20cultivated%20%3A%20wild Hill, K. Szydlowski, M. Oxley Heaney, S. Busby, D. (2022). Uncivilized behaviors: how humans wield “feral” to assert power (and control) over other species. Society & Animals. Online ahead of print. https://doi.org/10.1163/15685306-bja10088 Hill, K. (2022). Feral and out of control: a moral panic over free-roaming cats? in Anthrozoology Studies: Animal Life and Human Culture, edited by I. Frasin, G. Bodi, S. Bulei, C. D. Vasiliu. Romania: Presa Universitară Clujeană. pp. 123-157. http://www.editura.ubbcluj.ro/bd/ebooks/pdf/3343.pdf Ingold, T. (2000). “From trust to domination: an alternative history of human-animal relations.” In The Perception of the Environment: Essays in Livelihood, Dwelling and Skill. Edited by Tim Ingold. London, New York: Routledge. Mica, A. (2010). Moral Panic, Risk or Hazard Society — the Relevance of a Theoretical Model and Framings of " Maidan " Dogs in Chişinău and Bucharest. Sociological Review, 169, 41–56. Pauwels, A. (2003). Linguistic Sexism and Feminist Linguistic Activism. In J. Holmes & M. Meyerhoff (Eds.), The Handbook of Language and Gender (pp. 550–570). https://doi.org/10.1002/9780470756942.ch24 Price, E. O. (2003). Animal Domestication and Behavior. Oxford, UK: Oxford University Press. Szydlowski, M., Hill, K., Oxley Heaney, S., Hooper, J. (2022). Domestication and domination: human terminology as a tool for controlling otherthanhuman animal bodies. TRACE: Journal for Human-Animal Studies. 8(1). https://doi.org/10.23984/fjhas.110388

In this episode we are joined by Therese Lillesköld to discuss the issue of animal hoarding and research she has conducted on animal hoarding in Sweden. The animals who are hoarded suffer immensely, but the hoarders themselves also suffer. These people are suffering from a psychiatric illness and often have other underlying social and mental health issues. Therefore, a vital part of helping the animals must include social support for the hoarders, including preventive measures such as intervening and aiding overwhelmed caregivers before a serious hoarding situation develops.  

PodCrew  

Dr. Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter kh458@exeter.ac.uk https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/   

Dr. Michelle Szydlowski ms835@exeter.ac.uk  www.internationalelephants.org    @intl_elephants  

Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Student, University of Exeter  sh750@exeter.ac.uk www.kissingsharks.com

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Therese Lillesköld Position: CEO of Empatia AB in Sweden Email: info@empatia.se www.empatia.se   

References cited and other sources:  

Hoarding Disorder diagnosis: https://www.psychiatry.org/Patients-Families/Hoarding-Disorder   Carin Holmberg & Therese Lillesköld (2022) Animal hoarders: Not just an animal welfare problem (Swedish): https://empatiashop.se/product/djursamlare-och-samlade-djur-inte-bara-ett-djurskyddsproblem/  

Gunther, I., Raz, T., Even Zor, Y., Bachowski, Y., & Klement, E. (2016). Feeders of Free-Roaming Cats: Personal Characteristics, Feeding Practices, and Data on Cat Health and Welfare in an Urban Setting of Israel. Front Vet Sci, 3, 21. https://doi.org/10.3389/fvets.2016.00021 

Nadal, Z., Ferrari, M., Lora, J., Revollo, A., Nicolas, F., Astegiano, S., & Díaz Videla, M. (2022). Noah’s Syndrome: Systematic Review of Animal Hoarding Disorder. Human-Animal Interaction Bulletin, 10(1), 1–21. https://doi.org/10.1079/hai.2022.0003   

Prato-Previde, E., Basso Ricci, E., & Colombo, E. S. (2022). The Complexity of the Human–Animal Bond: Empathy, Attachment and Anthropomorphism in Human–Animal Relationships and Animal Hoarding. Animals, 12(20), 1–30. https://doi.org/10.3390/ani12202835   

Reinisch, A. I. (2008). Understanding the human aspects of animal hoarding. Canadian Veterinary Journal, 49(12), 1211–1215. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2583418/ 

Wilkinson, J., Schoultz, M., King, H. M., Neave, N., & Bailey, C. (2022). Animal hoarding cases in England: Implications for public health services. Frontiers in Public Health, 10. https://doi.org/10.3389/fpubh.2022.899378   

Kitten Lady (Hannah Shaw) shared her perspective based from many years of experience working with cat hoarding cases. TDLR: A little kindness goes a long way! What do you think? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoDYsVlxXs8

In this episode, we discuss the challenges facing captive elephants and mahouts working in tourism within the small country of Nepal. Our guest today is co-host Dr. Michelle Szydlowski, who has spent the last decade focused on pachyderms, ecotourism, and conservation.  

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Dr Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter kh458@exeter.ac.uk  https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/     

Dr. Michelle Szydlowski Assistant Professor at Beacon College, US ms835@exeter.ac.uk   www.internationalelephants.org   

Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Student, University of Exeter  sh750@exeter.ac.uk  www.kissingsharks.com  

References and further reading  

Acharya, K.P., Acharya, N. and Wilson, R.T. (2019) Animal Welfare in Nepal. Journal of Applied Animal Welfare Science, 22(4): 342-356. https: //doi.org/10.1080/10888705.2018.1519437  

Agrawal, A. (1995) Dismantling the Divide Between Indigenous and Scientific Knowledge. Development and Change. 26(3): 413-439. https: //doi.org/10.1111/j.1467- 7660.1995.tb00560.x  

Barua, M. (2017), Nonhuman labour, encounter value, spectacular accumulation: the geographies of a lively commodity. Transactions of the Institute of British Geographers. 42: 274-288. https://doi.org/10.1111/tran.12170  

Bhandari, K. (2012). Tourism or Conservation? A Controversy in Chitwan National Park, Nepal. In Controversies in Tourism, O. Moufakkir and P.M. Burns, eds. Ebook. CABI. https: //www.cabi.org/cabebooks/ebook/20113399890  

Rizzolo, J. and Bradshaw, G. (2016) Prevalence and Patterns of Complex PTSD in Asian Elephants (Elephas maximus). Asian Elephants in Culture & Nature. No issue number.  Saha, J. (2017) Colonizing elephants: animal agency, undead capital and imperial science in British Burma. BJHS Themes. 2: 169-189. https: //doi.org/10.1017/bjt.2017.6 

Szydlowski, M. 2022 Asking Consent from Pachyderm Persons: Facing Ethical Complexities in Multispecies Research. In Animal Life and Human Culture: Anthrozoology Studies. I. Frasin, G. Bodi, S. Bulei, C.D. Vasiliu (eds.). Cluj-Napoca: Presa Unviersitara Clujeana (Cluj University Press).  

Szydlowski, M., Hill, K., Oxley Heaney, S., Hooper, J. 2022 Domestication and domination: human terminology as a tool for controlling otherthanhuman animal bodies. TRACE: Journal for Human-Animal Studies. 8(1). https://doi.org/10.23984/fjhas.110388  Szydlowski, M. 2022. Elephants in Nepal: correlating disease, tourism, and welfare. Journal of Applied Animal Welfare Science. 25 (2): 1-13. https://doi.org/10.1080/10888705.2022.2028628  

Szydlowski, M. 2021. Framing Conservation, Colonialism and Care: Captive Endangered Elephants (Elephas maximus) in Nepal. PhD Thesis. United Kingdom: University of Exeter. Available via: Open Research Exeter at http://hdl.handle.net/10871/127765

Merry Christmas from Charlie the rat! In this second of a two-part episode, Mariah Madigan from Frankie’s World, a rat rescue and sanctuary in Canada, tells us how they celebrate Christmas with the rats! In the first part episode (EP18) Mariah explained what makes these often misunderstood animals so special and the special bonds that can be formed between rats and their humans. In this episode we learn more about the rat community, how to adopt or sponsor a rat, and get to meet some rats on camera.

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Kris Hill PhD Student, University of Exeter kh458@exeter.ac.uk https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/

Dr. Michelle Szydlowski Assistant Professor at Beacon College, US ms835@exeter.ac.uk www.internationalelephants.org

​Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Student, University of Exeter sh750@exeter.ac.uk www.kissingsharks.com

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Mariah Madigan from Frankie’s World.

• This is a link tree link to all Frankie’s World social media and website:  https://linktr.ee/frankiesworld
• Instagram:  @frankiesworldrescue   https://www.instagram.com/frankiesworldrescue/
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In this first of a two-part episode, we are joined by Mariah Madigan from Frankie’s World, a rat rescue and sanctuary in Canada. In this episode you can learn all about what makes these often misunderstood animals so special and the special bonds that can be formed between rats and their humans. And be sure to come back for part two to learn more about the rat community, how to adopt or sponsor a rat, and to hear how Mariah’s multispecies family will celebrate Christmas together. On the video version you also get to see Paisley-Frankie on camera and meet a few of the rats.

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Dr Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter kh458@exeter.ac.uk https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/     

Dr. Michelle Szydlowski Assistant Professor at Beacon College, US ms835@exeter.ac.uk  www.internationalelephants.org   

Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Student, University of Exeter sh750@exeter.ac.uk www.kissingsharks.com   

Podlet Guest

Mariah Madigan from Frankie’s World.  

• This is a link tree link to all Frankie’s World social media and website:  https://linktr.ee/frankiesworld  
• Instagram:  @frankiesworldrescue   https://www.instagram.com/frankiesworldrescue/ 
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/franksandphoebs/ 
• Website: https://frankiesworld.ca
• TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@frankies_world_rescue
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Join the global Anthrozoology as International Practice (AIP) conference 2024, a free, online event by PGRs and Alumni from Exeter’s Anthrozoology program.

Happening November 17-19, 2024, AIP is perfect for undergrads, master’s students, recent alumni, and PhD candidates to present their research. Each day caters to different time zones, ensuring worldwide participation.

Submit your abstract by July 31, 2024. First-time presenters and pre-PhD students are warmly encouraged. Check out previous abstracts and selection criteria on our website.

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In this episode, we discuss animal-themed tattoo narratives, which were the subject of co-host Kris Hill’s MA Dissertation (Anthrozoology, University of Exeter, 2018). The findings were subsequently written up and published as two papers in Anthrozoös (Hill 2020, 2021). 

In our discussion, we primarily focused on the first paper (Hill 2020), which explored tattoos dedicated to individual companion animals under the framework of multispecies kinship and continuing bonds as griefwork. 

Do you have tattoos dedicated to companion animal? If so, we’d love to see them! Feel free to join and share your tattoos and stories in the Furever Tattoos Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/630586010988899

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Kris Hill PhD Student, University of Exeter kh458@exeter.ac.uk https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/
Dr. Michelle Szydlowski Assistant Professor at Beacon College, US ms835@exeter.ac.uk www.internationalelephants.org
Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Student, University of Exeter sh750@exeter.ac.uk www.kissingsharks.com

Podlet Guest:
Kris Hill PhD Student, University of Exeter kh458@exeter.ac.uk https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/ 

References and Further Reading
https://anthrozoopod.wixsite.com/anthrozoopod/ep-17-tattoo-narratives

Opening image, A Malayan Sun Bear in a zoo at the Pata mall in Thailand, 2008, by Jo-Anne McArthur/We Animals Media: https://stock.weanimalsmedia.org/asset/13888/

For this episode we were honoured to welcome Scottish poet Gordon Meade to talk about his collection of poems in ZooSpeak, inspired by the photography of Jo-Anne McArthur.  In this episode of the Anthrozoology Podcast we are honoured to welcome Scottish poet Gordon Meade. Gordon’s tenth collection of poems, inspired by photographs taken by Jo-Anne McArthur, is entitled Zoospeak. We often write and speak about the human tendency to use language as a tool of separation; to control the narrative of otherthanhuman lives. Gordon’s work instead uses language as a tool to highlight the many species with whom we life-share. In fact, otherthanhuman species have featured his life and work for decades.

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PodCrew:  Kris Hill PhD Student, University of Exeter kh458@exeter.ac.uk  https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/

Dr. Michelle Szydlowski Assistant Professor at Beacon College, US ms835@exeter.ac.uk   www.internationalelephants.org

Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Student, University of Exeter  sh750@exeter.ac.uk  www.kissingsharks.com

Podlet Guest:  Gordon Meade Scottish Poet egordonmeade1@btinternet.com  https://www.scottishpoetrylibrary.org.uk/poet/gordon-meade/

Episode 15 of the Anthrozoology Podcast presents a new series, Anthrozoology Speaks, where we ask people who work with otherthanhumananimals to share their stories and chat about their impact through an anthrozoological lens. 

In EpPod 3 we talk with Emma Mclean, the founder of Hound Charming, an organisation that uses Force Free and Consent Based Training Methods. Join us while we discuss with Emma the intersections of anthrozoology and force-free training.  

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Participants:  

Podlet Guests:  

mma Mclean Emma@houndcharming.com https://www.facebook.com/houndcharming/ PodCrew:  

Dr Michelle Szydlowski.  University of Exeter ms835@exeter.ac.uk www.internationalelephants.org  

Kris Hill PhD Student, University of Exeter kh458@exeter.ac.uk https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/ 

Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Student, University of Exeter sh750@exeter.ac.uk www.kissingsharks.com

Episode 14 of the Anthrozoology Podcast presents a new series, Anthrozoology Speaks, where we ask people who work with otherthanhumananimals to share their stories and chat about their impact through an anthrozoological lens. In EpPod 2 we talk with Emma Mclean, the founder of Hound Charming, an organisation that uses Force Free and Consent Based Training Methods. Join us while we ask Emma about what Force Free actually means and how that affects people's expectations.

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Participants:

Podlet Guests:

Emma Mclean

Emma@houndcharming.com https://www.facebook.com/houndcharming/

PodCrew:

Dr Michelle Szydlowski

University of Exeter

ms835@exeter.ac.uk

www.internationalelephants.org

Kris Hill

PhD Student, University of Exeter

kh458@exeter.ac.uk

https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/

Sarah Oxley Heaney

PhD Student, University of Exeter

sh750@exeter.ac.uk

www.kissingsharks.com

Episode 13 of the Anthrozoology Podcast presents a new series, Anthrozoology Speaks, where we ask people who work with otherthanhumananimals to share their stories and chat about their impact through an anthrozoological lens. In EpPod 1 we talk with Emma Mclean, the founder of Hound Charming, an organisation that uses Force Free and Consent-Based Training Methods. Join us while we ask Emma about Hound Charming’s origins especially with reference to her ex-racehorse Flynn.

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Participants:

Podlet Guests:

Emma Mclean 

Emma@houndcharming.com https://www.facebook.com/houndcharming/

PodCrew:

Dr Michelle Szydlowski

University of Exeter

ms835@exeter.ac.uk

www.internationalelephants.org

Kris Hill

PhD Student, University of Exeter

kh458@exeter.ac.uk

https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/

Sarah Oxley Heaney

PhD Student, University of Exeter

sh750@exeter.ac.uk

www.kissingsharks.com

This is a two-part conversation that asks hat do barbeque, pork, and racism in the American South have to do with anthrozoology?  As it turns out, everything. In this episode, we are joined by Dr. Tom Aiello, an author, and professor of history and African American studies. Join us as we discuss his recent work on ‘The Great Hog Eating Confederacy.’

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Participants:

PodCrew:

Kris Hill PhD Student, University of Exeter kh458@exeter.ac.uk https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/ 

Dr Michelle Szydlowski PhD Candidate, University of Exeter  ms835@exeter.ac.uk  www.internationalelephants.org 

Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Student, University of Exeter  sh750@exeter.ac.uk www.kissingsharks.com

Podlet Guests:

Dr. Tom Aeillo PhD Anthrozoology, University of Exeter. PhD African American History, University of Arkansas

Associate professor of history and African American studies. https://www.thomasaiellobooks.com/contact 

References and further reading

Marjorie Spiegel (1988). The Dreaded Comparison: Human and Animal Slavery.  

Adams, Douglas. 1980. The Hitchhiker’s Guide to The Galaxy v2: The Restaurant at the End of the Universe. London: Pan.

www.thomasaiellobooks.com

This is a two-part conversation that asks hat do barbeque, pork, and racism in the American South have to do with anthrozoology?  As it turns out, everything. In this episode, we are joined by Dr. Tom Aiello, an author and professor of history and African American studies. Join us as we discuss his recent work on ‘The Great Hog Eating Confederacy.’   

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To access audio-only versions please our official Website: https://anthrozoopod.wixsite.com/anthrozoopod

Participants:  

PodCrew:  

Kris Hill PhD Student, University of Exeter kh458@exeter.ac.uk https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/ 

Dr Michelle Szydlowski PhD Candidate, University of Exeter  ms835@exeter.ac.uk  www.internationalelephants.org  

Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Student, University of Exeter  sh750@exeter.ac.uk www.kissingsharks.com  

Podlet Guests:  

Dr. Tom Aeillo PhD Anthrozoology, University of Exeter. PhD African American History, University of Arkansas

Associate professor of history and African American studies. https://www.thomasaiellobooks.com/contact 

References and further reading  

Marjorie Spiegel (1988). The Dreaded Comparison: Human and Animal Slavery.  

Adams, Douglas. 1980. The Hitchhiker’s Guide to The Galaxy v2: The Restaurant at the End of the Universe. London: Pan.

www.thomasaiellobooks.com

Please note that while our narrative is based on experiences that can and do happen to researchers in our field, Aadita and her project are entirely fictional  This is a two-part episode that builds upon a workshop we hosted at the Research Ethics Conference 2021 (REC2021).

https://hopin.com/events/research-ethics-conference-2021

References and sources mentioned are listed here: https://theanthrozoologypodcast.files.wordpress.com/2021/07/ep910-refs-1.pdf Please subscribe to get notified about our next podcast!

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To access audio-only versions please our official Website: https://anthrozoopod.wixsite.com/anthrozoopod

Participants:

PodCrew:

Kris Hill PhD Student, University of Exeter kh458@exeter.ac.uk https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/

Michelle Szydlowski PhD Candidate, University of Exeter  ms835@exeter.ac.uk  www.internationalelephants.org

Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Student, University of Exeter  sh750@exeter.ac.uk www.kissingsharks.com

Podlet Guest:  Jes Hooper PhD Student, University of Exeter jh1220@exeter.ac.uk  www.thecivetproject.com

Workshop Abstract  

Anthrozoology is an emergent field concerned with the study of human-animal interactions and relationships. As an emergent interdisciplinary field, Anthrozoology is in its infancy regarding methodological practice. For Anthrozoologists, research involves both human and animal as active participants and actors within ethnographic investigation. Concerned with the ethical implications of research beyond the human species, Anthrozoologists are often faced with navigating how to protect both human and non-human informants, and when to speak for animals. Anthrozoology therefore presents a unique lens through which to view current research ethics processes.   Held by postgraduate researchers from Exeter’s Anthrozoology as Symbiotic Ethics (EASE) working group, the proposed workshop aims to problematize the Ethics Committee process in order to suggest solutions to better protect the interests of animal participants.  Through the mode of a discussion forum, the attendees will be asked to share their own experiences of the Ethics Committee process whilst considering how the traditional ethics committee paradigm, as derived from the Biological Sciences, no longer adequately considers the nuances presented within animal related research. The workshop will conclude with a collaboration between participants and speakers in order to problem solve and propose alternative ways in which the Ethics Committee process can better address the concerns of animals involved in research.

References and further reading

Flight Safety Culture: https://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Safety_Culture Hamilton, L., & Taylor, N. (2017).

Ethnography after humanism: Power, politics and method in multi-species research. Springer.  Oliver, C. (2021),

Beyond-human ethics: The animal question in institutional ethical reviews. Area. Accepted Author Manuscript.  https://rgs-ibg.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/area.12738

Responsible Images of Primates: https://human-primate-interactions.org/resources/

The Lesser Know Victims of Wildlife Trafficking Podcast – Part 1: https://www.theguardian.com/science/audio/2021/jun/15/the-lesser-known-victims-of-wildlife-trafficking-part-one-podcast

The Lesser Know Victims of Wildlife Trafficking Podcast – Part 2: https://www.theguardian.com/science/audio/2021/jun/17/inside-the-world-of-wildlife-trafficking-part-two-podcast

Please note that while our narrative is based on experiences that can and do happen to researchers in our field, Aadita and her project are entirely fictional  This is a two-part episode that builds upon a workshop we hosted at the Research Ethics Conference 2021 (REC2021). 

https://hopin.com/events/research-ethics-conference-2021   

References and sources mentioned are listed here: https://theanthrozoologypodcast.files.wordpress.com/2021/07/ep910-refs-1.pdf Please subscribe to get notified about our next podcast!  

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To access audio-only versions please our official Website: https://anthrozoopod.wixsite.com/anthrozoopod   

Participants:  

PodCrew:  

Kris Hill PhD Student, University of Exeter kh458@exeter.ac.uk https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/   

Michelle Szydlowski PhD Candidate, University of Exeter  ms835@exeter.ac.uk  www.internationalelephants.org  

Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Student, University of Exeter  sh750@exeter.ac.uk www.kissingsharks.com  

Podlet Guest:  Jes Hooper PhD Student, University of Exeter jh1220@exeter.ac.uk  www.thecivetproject.com  

Workshop Abstract  

Anthrozoology is an emergent field concerned with the study of human-animal interactions and relationships. As an emergent interdisciplinary field, Anthrozoology is in its infancy regarding methodological practice. For Anthrozoologists, research involves both human and animal as active participants and actors within ethnographic investigation. Concerned with the ethical implications of research beyond the human species, Anthrozoologists are often faced with navigating how to protect both human and non-human informants, and when to speak for animals. Anthrozoology, therefore, presents a unique lens through which to view current research ethics processes.   Held by postgraduate researchers from Exeter’s Anthrozoology as Symbiotic Ethics (EASE) working group, the proposed workshop aims to problematize the Ethics Committee process in order to suggest solutions to better protect the interests of animal participants.  Through the mode of a discussion forum, the attendees will be asked to share their own experiences of the Ethics Committee process whilst considering how the traditional ethics committee paradigm, as derived from the Biological Sciences, no longer adequately considers the nuances presented within animal-related research. The workshop will conclude with a collaboration between participants and speakers in order to problem solve and propose alternative ways in which the Ethics Committee process can better address the concerns of animals involved in research.  

References and further reading  

Flight Safety Culture: https://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Safety_Culture Hamilton, L., & Taylor, N. (2017). 

Ethnography after humanism: Power, politics and method in multi-species research. Springer.  Oliver, C. (2021), 

Beyond-human ethics: The animal question in institutional ethical reviews. Area. Accepted Author Manuscript.  https://rgs-ibg.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/area.12738   

Responsible Images of Primates: https://human-primate-interactions.org/resources/ 

The Lesser Know Victims of Wildlife Trafficking Podcast – Part 1: https://www.theguardian.com/science/audio/2021/jun/15/the-lesser-known-victims-of-wildlife-trafficking-part-one-podcast 

The Lesser Know Victims of Wildlife Trafficking Podcast – Part 2: https://www.theguardian.com/science/audio/2021/jun/17/inside-the-world-of-wildlife-trafficking-part-two-podcast

Join us for Part 2 of an anthrozoology conversation with Hal Herzog. Amongst some of the topics discussed are: questions about cats; the Anthropocene; advocacy and activism in Anthrozoology; veganism and moral shock. 

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Participants:

Special PodGuest:

Hal Herzog

Harold Herzog is Professor Emeritus in the Department of Psychology, Western Carolina University. Hal studies aspects of human-animal interactions.

www.halherzog.com

Podcrew:

Michelle Szydlowski PhD Candidate,

University of Exeter  ms835@exeter.ac.uk

www.internationalelephants.org

Kris Hill PhD Student,

University of Exeter kh458@exeter.ac.uk

https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/ 

Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Student,

University of Exeter  sh750@exeter.ac.uk

www.kissingsharks.com

References used in the episode are found here: https://theanthrozoologypodcast.files.wordpress.com/2021/02/ep6-refs-1.pdf

Join us for episode 34 as we continue our conversation into the rich history and evolving future of anthrozoology with our guest, Dr. Lynette Hart, the Department Vice Chair and Professor of Population Health and Reproduction at UC Davis's School of Veterinary Medicine. Her research focuses on human - morethanhuman-animal interactions, animal behaviour, and welfare. She is also one of the founders of the field of anthrozoology and the International Society for Anthrozoology (ISAZ).  

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PodCrew

Dr. Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter

tinehill@gmail.com 

https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/

Dr. Michelle Szydlowski

ms835@exeter.ac.uk

www.internationalelephants.org

@intl_elephants

Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Candidate, University of Exeter

sh750@exeter.ac.uk ​

www.kissingsharks.com/

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Podlet Guest: 

Dr Lynette Hart

lahart@ucdavis.edu

Websites:

https://profiles.ucdavis.edu/lynette.hart https://scholar.google.com.au/citations?user=q_xuwLcAAAAJ&hl=en

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Lynette-Hart 

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References

Anthrozoology as International Practice (# AIP2023 ) Abstract book (/2023). https://anthrozoologyconference.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/AIP2023-Abstract-Book.pdf

Hart, B. L., Hart, L. A., Thigpen, A. P., and Willits, N. H. (2020) Assisting Decision-Making on Age of Neutering for 35 Breeds of Dogs: Associated Joint Disorders, Cancers, and Urinary Incontinence. Frontiers in Veterinary Science 7: 548304. https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/veterinary-science/articles/10.3389/fvets.2020.00388/full

Hart, L. A., Thigpen, A. P., Hart, B. L., Willits, N. H., Lee, M., Babchuk, M. M., Lee, J., Ho, M., Clarkson, S. T., and Chou, J. W. (2024) Assisting decision-making on age of neutering for German Short/Wirehaired Pointer, Mastiff, Newfoundland, Rhodesian Ridgeback, Siberian Husky: associated joint disorders, cancers, and urinary incontinence. Frontiers in Veterinary Science 11. https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/veterinary-science/articles/10.3389/fvets.2024.1322276/full

Home - Anthrozoology as International Practice Conference (n.d.). Accessed: 8th July 2024 https://anthrozoologyconference.com/. 

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Human-Animal Interactions - Aims and Scope | CABI Digital Library (n.d.). Accessed: 8th July 2024 https://www.cabidigitallibrary.org/journal/hai/aims-and-scope. 

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Loop | Lynette Arnason Hart (n.d.). Accessed: 8th July 2024
https://loop.frontiersin.org/people/52225/editorial. 

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Lynette A. Hart | School of Veterinary Medicine (n.d.). Accessed: 8th July 2024 https://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/faculty/lynette-hart. 

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Working Anthrozoology Group / School of Veterinary Medicine (n.d.). Accessed: 8th July 2024 https://wag.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/. 

Ebook on spay and neuter - out soon

Episode 7: The Meat Paradox & Veganism  

The meat paradox refers to how people say they love animals yet continue to eat them. In this episode, we look at the complexities of meat-eating, the meat paradox, and veganism.   

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Participants:  

PodCrew:  

Kris Hill PhD Student, University of Exeter kh458@exeter.ac.uk https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/   

Michelle Szydlowski PhD Candidate, University of Exeter  ms835@exeter.ac.uk  www.internationalelephants.org

Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Student, University of Exeter  sh750@exeter.ac.uk www.kissingsharks.com

Podlet Guests: 

Lynda M Korimboccus MA Anthrozoology (2019) PhD Candidate, Sociology Lecturer, West Lothian College www.korimboccus.com 

Bryan Cushing MS, Anthrozoology Instructor, Beacon College  

References and further reading:  theanthrozoologypodcast.files.wordpress.com/2021/04/ep7-refs.pdf

Join us for Part 1 of an anthrozoology conversation with Hal Herzog. Amongst some of the topics discussed are: questions about the International Society for Anthrozoology's (ISAZ) focus and their journal, Anthrozoös; women in anthrozoology; becoming an anthrozoologist and what Hal would research if he could research anything!  

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To access audio-only versions please our official Website: https://anthrozoopod.wixsite.com/anthrozoopod

Participants:

Special PodGuest:

Hal Herzog

Harold Herzog is Professor Emeritus in the Department of Psychology, Western Carolina University. Hal studies aspects of human-animal interactions.

www.halherzog.com

Podcrew:

Michelle Szydlowski PhD Candidate,

University of Exeter  ms835@exeter.ac.uk

www.internationalelephants.org

Kris Hill PhD Student,

University of Exeter kh458@exeter.ac.uk

https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/ 

Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Student,

University of Exeter  sh750@exeter.ac.uk

www.kissingsharks.com

References used in the episode are found here: https://theanthrozoologypodcast.files.wordpress.com/2021/02/ep6-refs-1.pdf

Episode 5: Animals as Immigrants  

In this episode, we look at Animals as Immigrants. Animal movement across the globe and boundaries happens within contested spaces leaving animals wanted, unwanted, forced, coerced or in liminal landscapes of uncertainty.  

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To access audio-only versions please our official Website: https://anthrozoopod.wixsite.com/anthrozoopod

Participants:

Podcrew:

Kris Hill PhD Student,

University of Exeter kh458@exeter.ac.uk

https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/ 

Michelle Szydlowski PhD Candidate,

University of Exeter  ms835@exeter.ac.uk

www.internationalelephants.org

Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Student,

University of Exeter  sh750@exeter.ac.uk

www.kissingsharks.com

Podlet Guests:

Tom Aeillo 

PhD Candidate, University of Exeter 

Associate professor of history and African American studies. 

https://www.thomasaiellobooks.com/contact  

Jes Hooper PhD Student, 

University of Exeter 

jh1220@exeter.ac.uk  

www.thecivetproject.com  

References and sources mentioned:

https://theanthrozoologypodcast.files.wordpress.com/2020/12/episode-5-refs.pdf

In this episode we look at Halloween and what this holiday might mean for the animals associated with the Halloween. We discuss how animal representations are used and consumed for Halloween festivities, and how might this impact on real animals.  Please subscribe to get notified about our next podcast!

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To access audio-only versions please our official Website: https://anthrozoopod.wixsite.com/anthrozoopod

Participants:  

Podcrew:

Kris Hill PhD Student,

University of Exeter

kh458@exeter.ac.uk

https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/ 

Michelle Szydlowski PhD Candidate,

University of Exeter  ms835@exeter.ac.uk

www.internationalelephants.org

Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Student,

University of Exeter  sh750@exeter.ac.uk

www.kissingsharks.com

Podlet Guests

Jimmi Hill

www.raptoraid.co.uk

Kathy T.  Hisamatsu

tomokat.hisamatsu@gmail.com

Lisa Jarvis RVN MA

lisa.jarvis@cats.org.uk

References cited and other sources:  https://theanthrozoologypodcast.files.wordpress.com/2020/10/episode-4-refs.pdf

In this podcast, we linked up with Defender Radio at TheFurBearers.com who interviewed us for their show. It was a great please to work with Michael Howie at Defender Radio and here's what he had to say

"Anthrozoology is a fascinating field of study – simply put, it examines the interactions between humans and other animals. This is a broad concept, which is why so many fields overlap with it: anthropology, biology, philosophy, psychology and more.

To me, the concept of combining these fields is daunting and intimidating; but thanks to many dedicated and passionate anthrozoologists, I’ve found the journals and discussions more approachable than many other, more specific disciplines. Among the dedicated and passionate are three University of Exeter students who love the field of study so much and see such potential for it that they started a podcast!

The Anthrozoology Podcast is hosted by University of Exeter PhD students Sarah Oxley Heaney and Kris Hill, along with PhD candidate Michelle Szydlowski. The trio of anthrozoologists have arrived at Exeter’s program from different places (both literally and figuratively, as we scheduled this group call across three different time zones) and with different specific interests. But it takes only the briefest moment of conversation to understand what drew them together – shared passion, dedication and excitement for doing more for humanity, non-human animals and the planet.

Their new podcast, The Anthrozoology Podcast, can be found on YouTube, Spotify and other places podcasts can be heard; to get to know this new show and the people behind it, Michelle, Kris and Sarah joined Defender Radio.

This episode is sponsored by AnimalStone.com. Use promocode DEFENDERRADIO for 10% off at AnimalStone.com."

Follow the Furbearers blog for more Defender radio podcasts : https://thefurbearers.com/blog

Our website - https://anthrozoopod.wixsite.com/anthrozoopod

In our first podcast, we discuss how the biological definition of domestication does not always mesh with the use of this word in conversations among animal welfare workers, anthrozoologists, biologists, lawyers and other stakeholders.  Used as a foil for ‘wildness,’ animals who are described as domesticates have often not actually undergone the domestication process, while others who have been more officially catalogued as domesticated have somehow slipped away from human control.

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Meet the PodCrew"

Michelle Szydlowski, PhD Candidate @ The University of Exeter ms835@exeter.ac.uk

Kris Hill, PhD Student @ The University of Exeter, kh458@exeter.ac.uk (podcast editor)

Sarah Oxley Heaney, PhD Student @ The University of Exeter sh750@exeter.ac.uk

Guest Podlet: Chelsea Gragg, MA Anthrozoology

Join us for episode 33 as we dive into the rich history and evolving future of anthrozoology with our guest, Dr. Lynette Hart. Dr. Hart is the Department Vice Chair and Professor of Population Health and Reproduction at UC Davis's School of Veterinary Medicine. Her research focuses on human - morethanhuman-animal interactions, animal behaviour, and welfare. She is also one of the founders of the field of anthrozoology and the International Society for Anthrozoology (ISAZ); as well as the recipient of the ISAZ Distinguished Anthrozoologist award for outstanding lifetime achievement. This episode is part 1 of a two-part conversation with Dr Hart and covers a wide range of topics including the history and future of anthrozooology, animal welfare, research funding and the importance of interdisciplinary research and collaboration in anthrozoology. Please subscribe to get notified about our next podcast!

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To access audio versions please our official Website: https://anthrozoopod.wixsite.com/anthrozoopod PodCrew Dr. Kris Hill

https://academiccatlady.com/ Dr. Michelle Szydlowski

ms835@exeter.ac.uk

www.internationalelephants.org

@intl_elephants Sarah Oxley Heaney

PhD Candidate, University of Exeter

sh750@exeter.ac.uk ​

www.kissingsharks.com Podlet Guest Dr Lynette Hart

email: lahart@ucdavis.edu

Websites:

https://profiles.ucdavis.edu/lynette.hart https://scholar.google.com.au/citations?user=q_xuwLcAAAAJ&hl=en https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Lynette-Hart References Hart, B. L., Hart, L. A., Thigpen, A. P., and Willits, N. H. (2020) Assisting Decision-Making on Age of Neutering for 35 Breeds of Dogs: Associated Joint Disorders, Cancers, and Urinary Incontinence. Frontiers in Veterinary Science 7: 548304. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fvets.2020.00388/full

In episode 32, we continue exploring canine anthropology with Marco Adda, the founder and director of AEDC (Anthrozoology Education Dogs Canines), and INS (Integral Neurosoma). Marco is an actor, scholar in canine-human relationships, educator, trainer, speaker, coach, and the host of the “In the Mouth of the Wolf” podcast. In this podcast episode, the symbiocene and the importance of humans cooperating with other species for mutual benefit. We reflect on the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on human - otherthanhuman-animal relationships, particularly focusing on Bali's dog population amidst tourism pressures. We explore the idea of embodying animality and discuss the value of pretending to be animals as a research and educational tool by integrating somatic practices to deepen our understanding of human - otherthanhuman-animal connections.

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PodCrew Dr. Kris Hill https://academiccatlady.com/ Dr. Michelle Szydlowski ms835@exeter.ac.uk www.internationalelephants.org @intl_elephants Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Candidate, University of Exeter sh750@exeter.ac.uk ​ www.kissingsharks.com/Podlet Guest Marco Adda email: marcogerardoadda@gmail.com Website: https://www.marcoadda.com/ References • (toward) a canine anthropology: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/375837543_toward_a_canine_anthropology • Recognising Anthrozooalgia on the Way to the Symbiocene: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/365353278_Recognising_Anthrozooalgia_on_the_Way_to_the_Symbiocene

In episode 31, part 1 of a discussion on canine anthropology,  we are joined by Marco Adda, the founder and director of AEDC (Anthrozoology Education Dogs Canines), and INS (Integral Neurosoma). Marco is an actor, scholar in canine-human relationships, educator, trainer, speaker, coach, and the host of the “In the Mouth of the Wolf” podcast. In this podcast episode, we discuss somatic practices between dogs and humans. We move onto cultural norms expectations and judgments upon dogs, whether free-roaming or home-contained. Then we discuss Marco’s concept of Anthrozooalgia (human pain and distress due to loss, misuse, or disconnect from other species). 

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PodCrew

Dr. Kris Hill 

https://academiccatlady.com/ 

Dr. Michelle Szydlowski 

ms835@exeter.ac.uk 

www.internationalelephants.org

@intl_elephants

Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Candidate, 

University of Exeter 

sh750@exeter.ac.uk ​

www.kissingsharks.com/

Podlet Guest

Marco Adda 

email: marcogerardoadda@gmail.com

Website: https://www.marcoadda.com/

References

• (toward) a canine anthropology: 

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/375837543_toward_a_canine_anthropology

• Recognising Anthrozooalgia on the Way to the Symbiocene: 

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/365353278_Recognising_Anthrozooalgia_on_the_Way_to_the_Symbiocene

Trigger warning This podcast is about grief and will involve discussions of death and dying. Here is a link to the Blue Cross for anyone who may need support following the loss of a companion animal: https://www.bluecross.org.uk/pet-bereavement-and-pet-loss In episode 30, part 2 of a discussion on grief, we are joined again by Irene Perrett, a fellow researcher from the University of Exeter, who is engaged in PhD research on morethanhuman-animal grief. In this podcast episode, we delve into the multifaceted nature of grief, highlighting its transformative process and the concept of continuing bonds with lost loved ones. We explore various coping mechanisms, such as memorial tattoos and rituals, as ways to maintain connections with departed individuals, including companion animals. Our discussion emphasises the personal nature of grief and the diverse ways individuals navigate the mourning process, challenging societal norms and expectations regarding the length and expression of grief. Furthermore, we examine societal attitudes towards grief, focusing on cultural differences in mourning practices and the impact of disenfranchised grief on individuals' ability to grieve openly. We discuss language's role in shaping perceptions of grief, particularly the use of minimising language and the importance of validating individuals' grief experiences. Our conversation also extends to the emotional connections between researchers and their morethanhuman subjects, raising questions about ethical considerations and the potential grief experienced by researchers upon leaving their subjects. Ultimately, our dialogue underscores the significance of narrative in recognising individuality and fostering empathy, particularly in research contexts where animal grief experiences may be overlooked. In the podcast we reflect on the broader societal implications of grief and the ethical responsibilities of researchers and caregivers in acknowledging and validating diverse grief experiences of those grieving. Please subscribe to get notified about our next podcast! Follow us on Twitter: @TheAnthrozoopod Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/anthrozoopod/ Follow us on TikTok @anthrozoology_ To access audio versions please visit our official Website: https://anthrozoopod.wixsite.com/anthrozoopod PodCrew Dr. Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter kh458@exeter.ac.uk https://academiccatlady.com/ https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/ Dr. Michelle Szydlowski michelle@szyd.mems835@exeter.ac.uk @michszyd@intl_elephants www.internationalelephants.org Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Candidate, University of Exeter sh750@exeter.ac.uk ​ www.kissingsharks.com/ Podlet Guest Irene Perrett PhD Student, University of Exeter ip323@exeter.ac.uk References found here: https://theanthrozoologypodcast.files.wordpress.com/2024/01/ep2930-refs.pdf?fbclid=IwAR25u8RcU9HFJsl4548bonnAg_F-GHBkgLs7sfPaLVzGJ_FMrHJ-NQ3_2aY

In episode 29 we delve into the topic of grief. We are joined in this episode by Irene, a fellow researcher from the University of Exeter, who is just starting her PhD research on morethanhuman-animal grief. We frame the discussion by highlighting the various dimensions of grief, extending beyond the human realm to explore how animals, particularly social species like elephants, also experience and express grief. The conversation unfolds with the exploration of different definitions and perspectives on grief, emphasizing the contextual nature of grief definitions, grief as a disruptive emotion challenging societal norms and touch on the diverse causes of grief, including loss of habitat, forced relinquishment, and the death of individuals. The discussion broadens to encompass disenfranchised grief, where society invalidates or minimizes the grief experienced by individuals, especially in the context of animal companionship. We touch on the criminalization of grief in certain situations, such as in incarceration institutions. Our podcast references Judith Butler's concept of grievable lives, where irreplaceability, transformative effect, and embodied experience define lives worthy of grief. We acknowledge the subjectivity of what society deems grievable and highlight the coping mechanisms, including compassion fatigue and emotional calluses, that individuals develop in response to constant exposure to grief. Please subscribe to get notified about our next podcast! Follow us on Twitter: @TheAnthrozoopod Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/anthrozoopod/ Follow us on TikTok @anthrozoology_ To access audio versions please our official Website: https://anthrozoopod.wixsite.com/anthrozoopod PodCrew Dr. Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter kh458@exeter.ac.uk https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/ Dr. Michelle Szydlowski ms835@exeter.ac.uk www.internationalelephants.org @intl_elephants Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Candidate, University of Exeter sh750@exeter.ac.uk ​hwww.kissingsharks.com/ Podlet Guest Irene Perrett PhD Student, University of Exeter, ip323@exeter.ac.uk References found here: https://theanthrozoologypodcast.files.wordpress.com/2024/01/ep2930-refs.pdf?fbclid=IwAR25u8RcU9HFJsl4548bonnAg_F-GHBkgLs7sfPaLVzGJ_FMrHJ-NQ3_2aY

Welcome to a special mini-episode of the anthrozoology podcast. Today we are discussing interventions developed for the treatment of juvenile and adult animal abusers. Our guest is Dr. Ken Shapiro, the founder of the Animals and Society Institute, and a clinical psychologist focused on the assessment and treatment of juveniles and adults who abuse animals. Trigger warning, this episode discusses animal neglect and abuse, and may be troubling to some listeners. Please subscribe to get notified about our next podcast! Follow us on Twitter: @TheAnthrozoopod Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/anthrozoopod/ Follow us on TikTok @anthrozoology_ To access audio versions please our official Website: https://anthrozoopod.wixsite.com/anthrozoopod Podlet Guest Kenneth Shapiro is a cofounder and President of the board of the Animals & Society Institute. He is a founding editor of Society & Animals: Journal of Human-Animal Studies, and a co-editor and a cofounder of Journal for Applied Animal Welfare Science and the editor of the Brill Human-Animal Studies book series. His most recent book is The Assessment and Treatment of Children who Abuse Animals: The AniCare® Approach. ​PodCrew Dr. Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter kh458@exeter.ac.uk https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/ Dr. Michelle Szydlowski ms835@exeter.ac.uk www.internationalelephants.org @intl_elephants Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Student, University of Exeter sh750@exeter.ac.uk ​hwww.kissingsharks.com/ References The AniCare Approach: https://ndaa.org/resource/the-anicare-approach-for-treating-animal-abusers/ Animals & Society Institute: https://www.animalsandsociety.org/ Ascione, F. R., and Shapiro, K. (2009) People and animals, kindness and cruelty: Research directions and policy implications. Journal of Social Issues 65(3): 569–587. B.A.R.K. https://socialwork.nyu.edu/a-silver-education/continuing-education/conferences-and-events/bark-diversion-program.html Desomond’s Law: https://libguides.law.uconn.edu/c.php?g=923213&p=6653929 Shapiro, K. (2016). The Identification, Assessment, and Treatment of Adults Who Abuse Animals: The AniCare Approach. https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-319-27362-4

Welcome to Episode 37 of the Anthrozoology Podcast. In this episode, we explore Alisa Rubinstien’s research on the intersection of humans, companion-animals and fat. Alisa is the AIP2023/AASA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEmj7S9A0fY&t=2020s) Pre-PhD Presentation Award winner for her work titled “Fattening” One Health: An Interspecies Approach to Dismantling the “Obesity Epidemic.” With over ten years of experience in various animal care settings, she recently earned her Master’s in Anthrozoology from Canisius University. Currently, Alisa serves as the Lifesaving Manager at a shelter in Philadelphia, focusing on adoption, foster, and volunteer programs. Her academic interests intersect ecofeminism and critical animal studies, particularly exploring how perceptions of animals relate to marginalised humans. Her thesis investigated the roles cats play in the lives of queer women and non-binary individuals.

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NB In a future episode we talk to another AIP2023 awardee, Dr. Madelena Mañetto Quick, who recently graduated from Te Herenga Waka – Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand. You can learn more about the Anthrozoology as International Practice (AIP) student conference here https://anthrozoologyconference.com/

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Podlet Guest

Alisa Rubinstein

Email: alisar3497@gmail.com

Websites: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alisar01/

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PodCrew

Dr. Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter

tinehill@gmail.com 

https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/

Dr. Michelle Szydlowski

ms835@exeter.ac.uk

www.internationalelephants.org

@intl_elephants

Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Candidate, University of Exeter

sh750@exeter.ac.uk ​

www.kissingsharks.com/

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References

Pearl RL, Wadden TA, Bach C, Leonard SM, Michel KE. (2020). Who's a good boy? Effects of dog and owner body weight on veterinarian perceptions and treatment recommendations. International Journal of Obesity, 44(12): 2455-2464.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7686094/

Cats (and their Dykes): An Anthology. Edited by Irene Reti and Shoney Sien. C. (1991). McNaughton and Gunn: https://escholarship.org/content/qt4wn4458v/supp/CATS.pdf

Maintenance Phase (Podcast). Wellness and weight loss, debunked and decoded:

 https://www.maintenancephase.com/ 

Anthrozoology as International Practice (AIP) YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@aipconference/playlists 

Alisa’s AIP2021 presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEmj7S9A0fY&list=PL-78-9WPsOo8f8kCP8j96FENDLHvkVv1K&index=4 

Welcome to Episode 38 of the Anthrozoology Podcast. In this episode, we continue exploring Alisa Rubinstien’s research on the intersection of humans, companion-animals and fat. Alisa is the AIP2023/AASA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEmj7S9A0fY&t=2020s) Pre-PhD Presentation Award winner for her work titled “Fattening” One Health: An Interspecies Approach to Dismantling the “Obesity Epidemic.” With over ten years of experience in various animal care settings, she recently earned her Master’s in Anthrozoology from Canisius University. Currently, Alisa serves as the Lifesaving Manager at a shelter in Philadelphia, focusing on adoption, foster, and volunteer programs. Her academic interests intersect ecofeminism and critical animal studies, particularly exploring how perceptions of animals relate to marginalised humans. Her thesis investigated the roles cats play in the lives of queer women and non-binary individuals. In the second part of their conversation, hosts Kris, Sarah, and Michelle continue their dialogue with Alisa, who discusses potential future research directions, emphasising the need for a better understanding of how societal perceptions can influence the health outcomes of both humans and animals. The discussion also highlights her fascinating thesis on the relationships between queer women and their cats, showcasing how these unique bonds challenge societal narratives. As the episode concludes, Alisa highlights the critical need for compassion and dignity in healthcare, advocating for a One Welfare approach that benefits all beings. This engaging conversation encourages listeners to rethink conventional beliefs about health, weight, and the integral connections we share with animals. In a future episode we talk to another AIP2023 awardee, Dr. Madelena Mañetto Quick, who recently graduated from Te Herenga Waka – Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand. You can learn more about the Anthrozoology as International Practice (AIP) student conference here https://anthrozoologyconference.com/ Please subscribe to get notified about our next podcast! Follow us on Twitter: @TheAnthrozoopod Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/anthrozoopod/ Follow us on TikTok @anthrozoology_ To access audio versions please our official Website: https://anthrozoopod.wixsite.com/anthrozoopod Podlet Guest Alisa Rubinstein Email: alisar3497@gmail.com Websites: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alisar01/ PodCrew Dr. Kris Hill https://academiccatlady.com/ Dr. Michelle Szydlowski ms835@exeter.ac.uk www.internationalelephants.org @intl_elephants Sarah Oxley Heaney PhD Candidate, University of Exeter sh750@exeter.ac.uk ​ www.kissingsharks.com/ References Pearl RL, Wadden TA, Bach C, Leonard SM, Michel KE. (2020). Who's a good boy? Effects of dog and owner body weight on veterinarian perceptions and treatment recommendations. International Journal of Obesity, 44(12): 2455-2464. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7686094/ Cats (and their Dykes): An Anthology. Edited by Irene Reti and Shoney Sien. C. (1991). McNaughton and Gunn: https://escholarship.org/content/qt4wn4458v/supp/CATS.pdf Maintenance Phase (Podcast). Wellness and weight loss, debunked and decoded: https://www.maintenancephase.com/ Anthrozoology as International Practice (AIP) YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@aipconference/playlists Alisa’s AIP2021 presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEmj7S9A0fY&list=PL-78-9WPsOo8f8kCP8j96FENDLHvkVv1K&index=4 Read more about AIP and register here (before 17 November 2024): https://anthrozoologyconference.com/companion animals

In this episode, we speak with Dr Elizabeth Ormerod BVMS, veterinary surgeon and chair of the Society for Companion Animal Studies (SCAS). Dr Ormerod discusses her long-standing work integrating veterinary practice with social care, animal welfare education, and community-based programs.

Liz outlines her development of animal-assisted services across education, healthcare, and prison settings, and reflects on efforts to promote pet-inclusive housing in the UK, along with the systemic and cultural barriers that often make this difficult.

Drawing on her experience running a practice in Fleetwood, she explains how bond-centred veterinary models can support both animal welfare and client wellbeing, particularly in communities facing social or economic challenges.

We also discuss the practical realities of veterinary outreach in underserved areas, as well as the financial pressures many clients face. Dr Ormerod describes her use of pro bono work and flexible payment strategies to ensure animals receive necessary care, and reflects on how the rise of corporate veterinary models may affect affordability and access.

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Podlet Guest

Dr Elizabeth Ormerod

https://www.scas.org.uk/about/governance-and-staff/elizabeth-ormerod/

PodCrew

Dr. Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter

⁠⁠tinehill@gmail.com⁠⁠ 

⁠⁠https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/⁠⁠

Dr. Michelle Szydlowski

⁠⁠michelle@szyd.me

⁠⁠www.internationalelephants.org⁠⁠

@intl_elephants

Sarah Oxley Heaney

PhD Candidate, University of Exeter

kissingsharks@gmail.com

⁠⁠www.kissingsharks.com/⁠⁠

References

Howell T. et al. Defining Terms Used for Animals Working inSupport Roles for People with Support NeedsAnimals 2022, 12(15),1975; ⁠https://doi.org/10.3390/ani12151975⁠

Jegatheesan B., Enders-Slegers MJ, Ormerod E., Boyden P.Understanding the Link between Animal Cruelty and FamilyViolence: The Bioecological Systems Model. InternationalJournal of Environmental Research and Public Health 2020

Ormerod E. Supporting older people with pets in shelteredhousing. In Practice · March 2012 DOI: 10.1136/inp.e1041Ormerod E. The role of pets in institutions -child developmentand animals in schools THE FECAVA SYMPOSIUM 2012Companion Journal

Ormerod, E.J. Bond-centered veterinary practice: Lessons forveterinary faculty and students. J. Vet. Med. Educ. 2008, 35,545–551. [CrossRef] [PubMed]

Ormerod E. Companion animals and offender rehabilitation-experiences from a therapeutic community in Scotland. Journalof Therapeutic Communities 2008

Ormerod E. Companion Animals. Working with Older PeopleSeptember 2005 Volume 9 Issue 3

Ormerod E. Animal Companions: planning and implementing aprogramme. Working with Older People December 2005Volume 9 Issue 4

Foster S, Whyham, M., Ormerod E., Edney A. Therapeuticapplications of the human-companion animal bond.  TheVeterinary record · December 2005 DOI:10.1136/vr.157.22.689 · Source: PubMed

Ep 42 - More-Than-Human Worlding: Analysis and Exploration of Farm Animal Sanctuaries, World-Building and Speculative Design, with Dr Madi Mañetto Quick, Part 2.

In episode 42 of the Anthrozoology Podcast we join Dr. Madi Mañetto Quick, for the second part of a discussion on her PhD research which explored the narratives of farmed animals, focusing on farms and sanctuaries. In this episode Madi discusses her PhD research on speculative design in the context of farm animal sanctuaries and farms. She explained her use of a speculative co-design workshop that included humans, animals, and land, aiming to equalise beings in sanctuaries or farms. Despite not conducting pilot workshops, she explored imaginative scenarios with her supervisors. Her work emphasises multi-species design, highlighting human-animal relationships and the impact of design on non-human animals. She also touched on the challenges of captive freedom in sanctuaries and the complexities of balancing animal freedom with human convenience. Future aspirations include collaborative research in anthrozoology.

Podlet Guest

Dr Madi Mañetto Quick

⁠⁠m.manettoquick@gmail.com⁠⁠

⁠⁠https://orcid.org/0009-0004-9859-0682⁠

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Dr. Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter

⁠tinehill@gmail.com⁠ 

⁠https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/⁠

Dr. Michelle Szydlowski

⁠ms835@exeter.ac.uk⁠

⁠www.internationalelephants.org⁠

@intl_elephants

Sarah Oxley Heaney

PhD Candidate, University of Exeter

⁠sh750@exeter.ac.uk⁠ ​

⁠www.kissingsharks.com/⁠

References:

Donna J. Haraway, 2016, Staying with the Trouble: Making Kin in the Chthulucene.Elan Abrell, 2016, Saving Animals: Multispecies Ecologies of Rescue & Care.Anthony Dunne & Fiona Raby, 2013, Speculative Everything: Design, Fiction, and Social Dreaming.

Mañetto Quick, M. (2024). Worlding Sanctuary: Multispecies design ethnography on a farm animal sanctuary in Aotearoa. Ethnographic Edge, 7(1), 5-20. ⁠https://doi.org/10.24135/ee.v7i1.271⁠

Mañetto Quick, M., Caudwell, C., & Horrocks, D. (2024). Land/Scape Portrayals in Farm and Farm Animal Sanctuary Memoirs. M/C Journal, 27(5). ⁠https://doi.org/10.5204/mcj.3090⁠ (Original work published October 13, 2024)

More-Than-Human Worlding: Analysis and Exploration of Farm Animal Sanctuaries, World-Building and Speculative Design, with Dr Madi Mañetto Quick, Part 1.

In episode 41 of the Anthrozoology Podcast we join Dr. Madi Mañetto Quick , for part one of two on a discussion on her PhD research which explored the narratives of farmed animals, focusing on farms and sanctuaries. In this episode Madi discusses how she explored the interpretive framework of equalising human and non-human characters in stories. Madi emphasises a non-black-and-white approach and “stays with the trouble” in conversations around vegetarianism, veganism and livestock farming. She introduced the concept of "necro care," where killing animals is seen as an act of care in sanctuaries. Madi also highlighted the importance of including global perspectives and visual analysis in future research. Her thematic analysis revealed themes on land depiction, killing methods, and individual vs. mass animal portrayals.

Podlet Guest

Dr Madi Mañetto Quick

⁠m.manettoquick@gmail.com⁠

⁠https://orcid.org/0009-0004-9859-0682

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Dr. Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter

tinehill@gmail.com 

https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/

Dr. Michelle Szydlowski

ms835@exeter.ac.uk

www.internationalelephants.org

@intl_elephants

Sarah Oxley Heaney

PhD Candidate, University of Exeter

sh750@exeter.ac.uk ​

www.kissingsharks.com/

References:

Donna J. Haraway, 2016, Staying with the Trouble: Making Kin in the Chthulucene.Elan Abrell, 2016, Saving Animals: Multispecies Ecologies of Rescue & Care.Anthony Dunne & Fiona Raby, 2013, Speculative Everything: Design, Fiction, and Social Dreaming.

Mañetto Quick, M. (2024). Worlding Sanctuary: Multispecies design ethnography on a farm animal sanctuary in Aotearoa. Ethnographic Edge, 7(1), 5-20. https://doi.org/10.24135/ee.v7i1.271

Mañetto Quick, M., Caudwell, C., & Horrocks, D. (2024). Land/Scape Portrayals in Farm and Farm Animal Sanctuary Memoirs. M/C Journal, 27(5). https://doi.org/10.5204/mcj.3090 (Original work published October 13, 2024)

In episode 40 of the Anthrozoology Podcast we continue our conversation with, Dr. Irina Frazin discusses the challenges faced by NGOs in Romania, including difficulties in building trust and networks, and the complexities of legal obligations for cat microchipping and the issue of ear tipping for sterilised cats. Irina shares her experience with a severely injured cat who transforms from a non-social cat to a loving companion. She also addresses the problem of community cat abandonment and the need for better support networks for companion animal guardians. The conversation touches on the historical association of cats with the feminine and the evolution of the "crazy cat lady" trope. Please subscribe to get notified about our next podcast!

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Dr.Kris Hill

⁠https://academiccatlady.com/ ⁠

Dr. Michelle Szydlowski ms835@exeter.ac.uk www.internationalelephants.org@intl_elephants

Sarah Oxley Heaney

PhD Candidate, University of Exeter

sh750@exeter.ac.uk ​

⁠www.kissingsharks.com/⁠

Podlet Guest

Dr Irina Frasin

irina.anthrozoology@gmail.com

⁠https://anthrozoology.acadiasi.org/en/home/⁠

References

Frasin, I “Of Cats and Women: A Cultural History of a Relationship” in Anthrozoology Studies: Animal Life and Human Culture, I. Frasin, G. Bodi, S. Bulei, C. Dinu Vasiliu, Eds. (Presa Universitară Clujeană, Cluj-Napoca, Romania, 2022), pp. 158–182. ⁠http://www.editura.ubbcluj.ro/bd/ebooks/pdf/3343.pdf⁠ Frasin I. “Cat Sanctuary. Co-existence with community cats” in Anthrozoology studies. Non-Human Animals in Open Societies, I. Frasin, G. Bodi, S. Bulei, C. Dinu Vasiliu Eds. (Presa Universitară Clujeană, Cluj-Napoca, Romania, 2023) pp. 112 -146. ⁠http://www.editura.ubbcluj.ro/bd/ebooks/pdf/3839.pdf⁠ Frasin I. “Portraits for community cats - the story of a more-than-human relationship” Multispecies Communities and Narratives, I. Frasin, G. Bodi, S. Bulei, C. Dinu Vasiliu Eds. (Presa Universitară Clujeană, Cluj-Napoca, Romania, 2024) pp. 161-184. ⁠http://www.editura.ubbcluj.ro/bd/ebooks/pdf/4365.pdf⁠ Frasin I. “Co-existence with community cats” Colloquium Series by Animals and Society Institute ⁠https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb2hHVZg-_I&list=PL3vTRlNA7pSmLDrnXV83_C5YuhT5YPam4&index=2

In episode 39 of the Anthrozoology Podcast we join Dr. Irina Frazin, for part one of two on a discussion on Romanian Feline Lives. Irina is a researcher at the Institute of Social and Economic Research, who discusses her journey from classical studies to anthrozoology, sparked by adopting her cat Bubus 15 years ago. Irina highlights the challenges of translating human-animal studies terminology into Romanian and the success of the Anthrozoology Symposium, which initially attracted more international than local participants. Irina also details her efforts to establish an anthrozoology course at the University of Iasi, despite several challenges, and emphasises the importance of fostering programs for cats in Romanian shelters. She notes the need for better education and collaboration among NGOs to improve animal welfare.

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PodCrew

Dr.Kris Hill

https://academiccatlady.com/

Dr. Michelle Szydlowski ms835@exeter.ac.uk www.internationalelephants.org@intl_elephants

Sarah Oxley Heaney

PhD Candidate, University of Exeter

sh750@exeter.ac.uk ​

www.kissingsharks.com/

Podlet Guest

Dr Irina Frasin

irina.anthrozoology@gmail.com

https://anthrozoology.acadiasi.org/en/home/

References

Frasin, I “Of Cats and Women: A Cultural History of a Relationship” in Anthrozoology Studies: Animal Life and Human Culture, I. Frasin, G. Bodi, S. Bulei, C. Dinu Vasiliu, Eds. (Presa Universitară Clujeană, Cluj-Napoca, Romania, 2022), pp. 158–182. http://www.editura.ubbcluj.ro/bd/ebooks/pdf/3343.pdf Frasin I. “Cat Sanctuary. Co-existence with community cats” in Anthrozoology studies. Non-Human Animals in Open Societies, I. Frasin, G. Bodi, S. Bulei, C. Dinu Vasiliu Eds. (Presa Universitară Clujeană, Cluj-Napoca, Romania, 2023) pp. 112 -146. http://www.editura.ubbcluj.ro/bd/ebooks/pdf/3839.pdf Frasin I. “Portraits for community cats - the story of a more-than-human relationship” Multispecies Communities and Narratives, I. Frasin, G. Bodi, S. Bulei, C. Dinu Vasiliu Eds. (Presa Universitară Clujeană, Cluj-Napoca, Romania, 2024) pp. 161-184. http://www.editura.ubbcluj.ro/bd/ebooks/pdf/4365.pdf Frasin I. “Co-existence with community cats” Colloquium Series by Animals and Society Institute https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb2hHVZg-_I&list=PL3vTRlNA7pSmLDrnXV83_C5YuhT5YPam4&index=2

In this follow‑up episode, veterinary surgeon Dr Elizabeth Ormerod BVMS, Chair of the Society for Companion Animal Studies (SCAS), returns to explore two additional pillars of her four‑decade career: campaigning for companion-animal‑inclusive housing and creating one of the UK’s first companion-animal‑loss support programmes within general practice.Dr Ormerod explains how grass‑roots advocacy in Fleetwood challenged local “no‑pets” policies and sparked a wider conversation about companion animals in social housing, eventually leading to national debate. We also look at her bond‑centred approach to end‑of‑life care, growth charts, early behaviour counselling, and multidisciplinary bereavement teams designed to support both clients and veterinary staff.Along the way Dr Ormerod discusses strategies for preventing compassion fatigue, the importance of community networks, and why affordable, flexible payment schemes remain crucial as corporate vet ownership expands.

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Podlet Guest

Dr Elizabeth Ormerod

⁠https://www.scas.org.uk/about/governance-and-staff/elizabeth-ormerod/⁠

PodCrew

Dr. Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter

⁠⁠⁠tinehill@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠ 

⁠⁠⁠https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/⁠⁠⁠

Dr. Michelle Szydlowski

⁠⁠⁠michelle@szyd.me⁠

⁠⁠⁠www.internationalelephants.org⁠⁠⁠

@intl_elephants

Sarah Oxley Heaney

PhD Candidate, University of Exeter

⁠kissingsharks@gmail.com⁠

⁠⁠⁠www.kissingsharks.com/⁠⁠

In this episode, we sit down with Altamush Saeed, an interspecies justice lawyer, educator, and nonprofit leader who is reshaping how Pakistan thinks about animals, people, and the environment. From being rescued by a cat named Mau, to leading community dog feeding campaigns during COVID, to organising large-scale rescues during Pakistan’s 2022 floods, Altamush’s story shows how deeply human and animal lives are intertwined in times of crisis.He reflects on how trauma, climate change, and compassion intersect, and why he believes food systems, human rights, and animal rights must be understood together. Drawing on his faith, Altamush explains why factory farming is impermissible under Islamic principles of mercy and stewardship, and shares how training Imams to deliver Friday sermons on animals and the environment is sparking grassroots change across communities.Along the way, he discusses founding Pakistan’s first disaster-zone farm animal shelter, creating the country’s first Animal Law course, and building a broader vision of interspecies justice that moves beyond cats and dogs to include all beings. This is a powerful conversation about resilience, responsibility, and reimagining justice for a more compassionate future.

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Podlet Guest

Name: Altamush Saeed LLMemail: ⁠earcpak@gmail.com⁠⁠chaltamushsaeed@gmail.com⁠⁠altamush@charitydoings.org⁠Environmental and Animal Rights Consultants Pakistan.⁠https://www.facebook.com/EARCPAK?mibextid=ZbWKwL⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/earcpakistan?igsh=dzRveXBncTc4NDR1⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/environmental-and-animal-rights-consultants-llp-pakistan/⁠⁠https://www.facebook.com/share/1AraUrqBw1/⁠⁠https://x.com/AltamushSaeed⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/altamushsaeed⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/altamushsaeed95⁠

PodCrew

Dr. Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter

⁠⁠⁠⁠tinehill@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ 

⁠⁠⁠⁠https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠

Dr. Michelle Szydlowski

⁠⁠⁠⁠michelle@szyd.me⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠www.internationalelephants.org⁠⁠⁠⁠

@intl_elephants

Sarah Oxley Heaney

PhD Candidate, University of Exeter

⁠⁠kissingsharks@gmail.com⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠www.kissingsharks.com/⁠⁠

In this episode, we continue our conversation with Altamush Saeed, an interspecies justice lawyer, educator, and nonprofit leader exploring how Pakistan prepares for and responds to crises. Altamush challenges the idea of ‘natural’ disasters, arguing they’re human-driven failures of planning and policy, especially for more-than-just-human animals who are too often left out.

From live flood-response and emergency veterinary aid to courtroom advocacy, Altamush shows what it looks like to centre animals, people, and the environment together.He reflects on how trauma, climate change, and compassion intersect, and why “One Health” must evolve into One Health and animal-inclusive social justice so the balance doesn’t default to humans alone.

Drawing on Islamic principles of mercy and stewardship, he connects factory farming to climate risk, public health, and environmental injustice, and explains how training Imams to address animals and the environment in Friday sermons is catalysing grassroots change across communities.

Along the way, Altamush discusses his ongoing case concerning a Himalayan brown bear named Hope; efforts to add animals to disaster law and policy, and movement-building through education: from animal and environmental law to food-systems teaching that links what we eat to climate resilience. This is a powerful conversation about preparedness, prevention, and reimagining justice so every species has a place in our future.

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Podlet Guest

Name: Altamush Saeed LLMemail: earcpak@gmail.com

chaltamushsaeed@gmail.com

altamush@charitydoings.org

Environmental and Animal Rights Consultants Pakistan.

https://www.facebook.com/EARCPAK?mibextid=ZbWKwL

https://www.instagram.com/earcpakistan?igsh=dzRveXBncTc4NDR1

https://www.linkedin.com/company/environmental-and-animal-rights-consultants-llp-pakistan/

https://www.facebook.com/share/1AraUrqBw1/

https://x.com/AltamushSaeedhttps://www.instagram.com/altamushsaeedhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/altamushsaeed95

Show Notes, References and resources found here : https://anthrozoopod.wixsite.com/anthrozoopod/46-interspecies-justice-i

PodCrew

Dr. Kris Hill PhD Candidate, University of Exeter

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠tinehill@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://katzenlife.wordpress.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Dr. Michelle Szydlowski

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠michelle@szyd.me⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.internationalelephants.org⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

@intl_elephants

Sarah Oxley Heaney

PhD Candidate, University of Exeter

⁠⁠⁠kissingsharks@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.kissingsharks.com/⁠⁠