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Ep 98 – Motivational Interviewing for Community Healthcare in Japan12 Oct 202601:02:37

How can Motivational Interviewing work in a busy community clinic? In this episode of Talking to Change, Dr Takeshi Shimada joins Glenn and Sebastian to explore brief healthcare consultations, the value of slowing down and the influence of Japanese culture on MI practice.

Takeshi is a physician specialising in diabetes care with more than two decades of clinical experience. He directs a community clinic in Osaka, Japan, where he sees around 80 patients a day, sometimes more than 90. He is particularly interested in how MI can be used meaningfully within brief medical encounters, rather than requiring a separate intervention.

Takeshi is a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) and serves on the Board of the Japanese Association of Motivational Interviewing (JAMI). At the 2024 MINT Training for New Trainers (TNT) in Christchurch, New Zealand, he served as a Lead Trainer for the Japanese language group. He currently serves as a member of the MINT Endorsed TNT Committee, supporting the planning and organisation of MINT Endorsed Training for New Trainers internationally.

In addition to his clinical work, Takeshi is deeply interested in how MI is understood and practiced across different languages and cultures in East Asia. Building on his experience in Japan, he hopes to work with colleagues across East Asia to explore and develop culturally responsive approaches to MI training and reliable MI coding across languages, while remaining grounded in the spirit of MI.

In this episode

Glenn and Sebastian explore how Motivational Interviewing can become part of everyday healthcare conversations, even when practitioners have limited time. Drawing on Takeshi’s experiences in Japan, the discussion considers the value of slowing down, resisting the urge to provide immediate solutions, and creating space for patients to explore their own motivations.

The conversation also explores compassion in healthcare, the influence of Japanese cultural values on MI practice, and how reflections, affirmations and silence can support understanding. Takeshi shares his hopes for greater collaboration and culturally responsive MI training across East Asia.

Episode index
  • 0:00 – Opening and episode introduction
  • 6:12 – Takeshi’s early experiences with MI
  • 14:15 – How slowing down can save time
  • 22:15 – Rethinking solutions
  • 25:40 – Three communication styles
  • 28:00 – Compassion in community healthcare
  • 37:25 – The development of MI in Japan and its relationship with Japanese culture
  • 41:00 – Harmony, silence and checking understanding through reflections
  • 49:00 – Affirmations, humility and modesty in Japanese culture
  • 59:00 – Collaborations across East Asia
  • 1:02:36 – End of recording
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Ep 97 – Motivational Interviewing with Families06 Sep 202601:04:30

In Episode 97 of Talking to Change: A Motivational Interviewing Podcast, Glenn Hinds and Sebastian Kaplan welcome Douglas C. Smith, Ph.D., LCSW, to discuss Motivational Interviewing with families. The conversation explores what changes when MI moves beyond a single client and a single target behaviour, including working with change talk across family members, balancing autonomy and practitioner direction, and avoiding what Doug describes as the “superfluous engagement trap”.

About Professor Douglas C. Smith

Douglas C. Smith, Ph.D., LCSW, is Professor of Social Work at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and Director of the Center for Prevention Research and Development (CPRD). He received his Ph.D. in Social Work in 2006 from the University of Iowa and has over twenty years of experience in substance use disorder prevention and treatment as a clinician, clinical supervisor and researcher.

His research focuses on improving treatments for adolescents and young adults experiencing substance use disorders. He is the author of two books, including Emerging Adults and Substance Use Disorder Treatment (Oxford Press) and Motivational Interviewing with Families (Guilford Press).

Go deeper with the MI Practice Companion

This episode also has a Talking to Change: MI Practice Companion, developed to help practitioners explore and apply the learning from the conversation. Explore Motivational Interviewing with Families, Adolescents and Substance Use: Practice Lessons from Professor Doug Smith.

Episode Index
  • 0:00 – Glenn and Sebastian introduce the episode and key themes
  • 3:58 – Doug Smith’s route into Motivational Interviewing
  • 8:39 – Moving from individual practice to work with adolescents and families
  • 13:18 – Family engagement, blame, empathy and what MI contributes
  • 20:47 – Motivational Interviewing with Families: why Doug wrote the book
  • 30:40 – Change talk across family relationships
  • 33:48 – Individual, family and multi-level target behaviours
  • 43:45 – Bringing structure and focus into family conversations
  • 46:02 – Practitioner direction, autonomy and the “superfluous engagement trap”
  • 1:00:22 – Current research and where MI with families might go next
  • 1:04:30 – End of episode
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Ep 96 – Enhancing MI Skills for Mental Health Providers28 Jul 202601:08:44
Talking to Change: MI Practice Companion

In this episode of Talking to Change, Glenn Hinds and Sebastian Kaplan welcome Kristin Dempsey and Ali Hall to explore how mental health practitioners can strengthen their Motivational Interviewing skills through experiential learning, deliberate practice and feedback. Drawing on their book Advancing Motivational Interviewing: An Experiential Skills Guide for Mental Health Providers, the conversation considers an important question for anyone developing MI: how do we move from understanding Motivational Interviewing to using it skilfully in real conversations?

This Practice Companion draws out the practical learning from the conversation. It explores the assessment trap, using MI when time is limited, responding to wider systemic influences, and creating meaningful opportunities for deliberate practice. It also connects these ideas with related resources in the Motivational Interviewing Knowledge Centre for practitioners who want to develop their skills further.

Listen to the full conversation

This Practice Companion highlights selected ideas and practice implications from the episode. Listen to the full conversation with Kristin Dempsey and Ali Hall for the complete discussion, examples and reflections. Listen to Episode 96: Enhancing MI Skills for Mental Health Providers

Kristin Dempsey is a psychotherapist, trainer, and counselor educator in the San Francisco Bay Area. She has over 30 years’ experience working with individuals, youth, and families with challenging behavioral issues that impact their lives such as substance use disorders, co-occurring mental health and substance use disorders, trauma symptoms, and unresolved grief. Kristin believes that each individual has unlimited ability to change and grow, and she enjoys exploring the complexities of complex challenges and how to approach them with compassion and curiosity. Kristin has taught many classes in the counselor education curriculum, and she is currently focused on practitioner skill development, substance use disorder treatment, and effective practices in community mental health. Kristin is a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT), and she currently teaches MI to behavioral health and other allied human services professionals. She is an adjunct professor at the Wright Institute’s Counseling Psychology Program and lecturing faculty at San Francisco State University. Kristin is the author of The Harm Reduction Workbook for Addiction (New Harbinger, 2024), co-author of Advancing Motivational Interviewing: An Experiential Skills Guide for Mental Health Professionals (PESI, April 2026), and a writer for The Mental Health and Substance Use Recovery Workbook (New Harbinger, May 2027).

 

Ali Hall is a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT), a MINT Certified Trainer, and an independent consultant and trainer. 

Ali has designed and facilitated thousands of MI workshops for a wide variety of providers, including those who serve within criminal justice systems, behavioral health, substance use recovery, mental health, health care, children/family services and wraparound, and has served multiple Training for New Trainers events. Ali regularly provides skill development coaching for interdisciplinary provider teams. Ali is the co-developer of the Motivational Interviewing Competency Assessment (MICA), a coding and coaching tool for MI skill improvement, co-author of the book Motivational Interviewing for Mental Health Clinicians: A Toolkit for Skill Development (2021), developer of the Cultivating Hope activity deck (2025) and co-author of Advancing Motivational Interviewing: An Experiential Skills Guide for Mental Health Providers (2026).

 

From knowing MI to practising MI

One of the central themes in this conversation is the difference between knowing about Motivational Interviewing and being able to use it skilfully in practice. Reading about MI, attending training and understanding its principles all matter, but they do not automatically translate into fluent practice.

Developing MI proficiency requires opportunities to practise specific skills, notice what happens in the interaction, receive useful feedback and try again. Dempsey and Hall’s emphasis on experiential learning therefore connects closely with deliberate practice: identifying an aspect of our MI practice that we want to improve and working on it purposefully rather than simply accumulating more experience.

This matters because experience alone does not guarantee improvement. Deliberate practice involves identifying a specific aspect of performance, practising with intention, using feedback to understand what is happening, and repeating the process. For MI practitioners, that might mean focusing on the depth of reflections, recognising opportunities to evoke change talk, reducing questions that inadvertently direct the conversation, or reviewing recorded practice with a coach or coding tool.

Explore further: Deliberate Practice in Motivational Interviewing

The assessment trap: when gathering information gets in the way

Mental health practitioners often need to gather substantial amounts of information. Assessment, risk, diagnosis, safeguarding and organisational requirements can all create pressure to ask questions. The difficulty arises when the conversation becomes a sequence of practitioner-led questions and client answers.

In Motivational Interviewing, this is sometimes described as the assessment trap. The problem is not assessment itself. It is what can happen to the quality of the conversation when information gathering takes precedence over engagement, listening and understanding what matters to the person.

A useful practice question is: Am I asking this question because I genuinely need the information now, or because asking questions has become the way I am organising the conversation?

MI does not require practitioners to abandon necessary assessment. Instead, we can pay attention to how we conduct it. Reflections, summaries and open questions can help an assessment feel more like a collaborative conversation and less like an interview conducted on the person.

One practical response is to become more intentional about the balance between questions and reflections. When someone gives us information, we do not always need another question. A reflection can communicate understanding, invite the person to elaborate and allow them greater influence over where the conversation goes.

Open questions remain valuable, particularly when they invite exploration rather than simply gather facts. Used alongside reflective listening, they can help practitioners meet assessment requirements while maintaining partnership and curiosity.

Explore further: Reflective Listening in Motivational Interviewing | Open Questions in Motivational Interviewing

Can you use Motivational Interviewing when time is limited?

A common concern for practitioners is whether there is enough time to use Motivational Interviewing. In busy mental health, healthcare and support settings, conversations may be brief and practitioners can feel pressure to move quickly towards assessment, advice or action.

MI does not necessarily require a long conversation. What matters is the quality and direction of the interaction. Even within a brief encounter, a practitioner can communicate partnership, listen carefully for what matters to the person, reflect rather than immediately advise, and create opportunities for the person to voice their own reasons for change.

The question therefore shifts from “Do I have time to do MI?” to “How can I bring an MI-consistent way of being and communicating into the time that I have?”

This does not mean squeezing every MI process or skill into a short conversation. Sometimes the most useful outcome may simply be stronger engagement, a clearer focus, or helping someone articulate something important about change.

The four processes are not a checklist

The four processes of Motivational Interviewing, Engaging, Focusing, Evoking and Planning, provide a helpful way of understanding how conversations about change develop. They are not four stages that practitioners must complete in order during every encounter.

In a brief conversation, much of the useful work may involve Engaging and Focusing. At another time, a clear focus may already exist and a few carefully chosen reflections or questions can create space for Evoking. Planning becomes relevant when the person is ready to consider what they might do next.

Skilled MI therefore involves responding to where the person is in the conversation rather than trying to move them through a predetermined sequence.

Explore further: Engaging | Focusing | Evoking | Planning

MI does not happen in a vacuum

Another important theme in the conversation is the influence of the systems in which practitioners work. Mental health professionals may practise within services shaped by assessment procedures, documentation requirements, risk management, targets, limited appointment times and expectations about what a practitioner should accomplish.

These pressures can influence how we communicate. When practitioners feel responsible for producing a particular outcome, it becomes easier to move towards directing, persuading, correcting or solving. In MI, this is closely related to the Fixing Reflex, our understandable tendency to want to put things right for another person.

Developing MI skill therefore involves more than learning conversational techniques. It also involves noticing the pressures acting on us as practitioners. A useful question is: What is happening in me, or around me, that is making it harder to remain curious about this person’s perspective?

This does not remove professional responsibilities. Rather, it helps us distinguish between what the situation genuinely requires of us and the additional pressure we may place on ourselves to make another person change.

Explore further: The Fixing Reflex in Motivational Interviewing

What might this sound like in practice?

Consider a practitioner working with someone who has been struggling with their mental health and has stopped taking prescribed medication.

Practitioner-led response:

“You know the medication was prescribed for a reason. What made you stop taking it? Have you spoken to your doctor? You really need to make an appointment.”

A more MI-consistent response:

“You’ve made a decision to stop taking it, and I imagine there are some important reasons behind that.”

The second response does not mean that the practitioner agrees with the decision or ignores potential risk. It creates an opportunity to understand the person’s perspective before deciding what information, assessment or action may be necessary.

The person might respond by describing side effects, doubts about whether the medication helps, concerns about dependency, difficulties remembering it, or something entirely different. Once we understand what matters to them, the conversation can become much more focused.

This illustrates a recurring theme in MI: understanding before influencing. When we resist the urge to immediately correct or solve, we often learn something that helps us have a more useful conversation about change.

Practice takeaways from this episode

For practitioners developing their Motivational Interviewing skills, several practical lessons stand out from this conversation:

  • Prioritise understanding before influencing. Slow down the impulse to correct, reassure or solve. A fuller understanding of the person’s perspective often reveals a more useful direction for the conversation.
  • Pay attention to how your responses shape the conversation. MI is not simply a collection of techniques. The way we listen and respond can strengthen exploration, autonomy and change talk, or unintentionally pull the conversation towards resistance and sustain talk.
  • Use reflections with purpose. Reflections can do more than demonstrate listening. Skilful reflections can help a person hear their own motivations, meanings and possibilities more clearly.
  • Keep autonomy visible. People are more likely to engage honestly when they experience the conversation as collaborative rather than as an attempt to persuade them.
  • Treat MI proficiency as something that develops through practice. Training provides an important foundation, but continued feedback, coaching and deliberate practice help practitioners translate MI knowledge into consistent conversational skill.
Questions for your own practice

As you reflect on your own work, consider a recent conversation in which you were trying to help someone think about change. Rather than asking only whether you ‘used MI’, it can be more useful to examine what was happening moment by moment.

  • Where did you feel an urge to advise, correct, reassure or solve?
  • Were there moments when another reflection might have been more useful than another question?
  • How well did you understand what mattered to the person before trying to influence the conversation?
  • Which of the four MI processes best describes where the conversation actually needed to be?
  • If you could practise one small part of that conversation again, what would you choose to do differently?

These questions can turn everyday practice into an opportunity for deliberate learning. The aim is not to produce a perfect MI conversation. It is to notice your practice closely enough to identify the next skill worth developing.

Audio moments for practice and reflection

Short extracts from the full conversation can also be used as prompts for learning, supervision or deliberate practice. Three moments are particularly worth returning to:

  • Experiential learning and deliberate practice. A short extract in which Kristin Dempsey or Ali Hall discusses how practitioners move beyond knowing MI towards developing skill through practice and feedback.
  • The assessment trap and time pressure. A section exploring what happens when assessment requirements, limited time or practitioner agendas begin to dominate the conversation.
  • Developing MI within real systems. An extract that captures the tension between practising MI consistently and working within organisational expectations, clinical responsibilities and wider systemic pressures.

These clips can later be embedded here and used independently on social media to invite listeners into the full episode and this Practice Companion.

Further learning in the Motivational Interviewing Knowledge Centre

If this episode has prompted you to look more closely at your own MI practice, the following Knowledge Centre resources develop several of the themes explored by Kristin Dempsey and Ali Hall:

Talking to Change: MI Practice Companion is designed to sit alongside the original podcast conversation. The episode provides the voices, discussion and context; the Practice Companion helps translate that conversation into reflection, deliberate practice and further learning.

Use the episode for deliberate practice

Listening to an MI conversation can become more useful when you listen with a specific practice question in mind. Rather than trying to remember everything from the episode, choose one aspect of your own practice to notice and develop.

You might listen for how the speakers describe moving beyond knowledge towards skill, how they respond to the pressures of assessment and limited time, or how feedback and repeated practice contribute to greater proficiency. Then choose one small behaviour to practise in your next conversation.

A simple deliberate-practice cycle is: choose one skill, practise it, notice what happens, seek feedback where possible, and try again. Over time, this turns podcast learning into observable changes in practice rather than information that is simply understood.

 

Episode guide

Use these timestamps to return to particular parts of the full conversation:

  • 0:00 – Opening and episode introduction
  • 7:12 – Kristin and Ali’s introductions and early MI stories
  • 13:20 – The early process of writing their book
  • 27:00 – “What’s the problem?” and the assessment trap
  • 38:10 – Macro MI and addressing systemic issues when practising MI
  • 53:30 – Web-based interventions, brief encounters and “I only have 5 minutes”
  • 1:02:30 – Kristin on writing and relearning music; Ali on swimming and writing a new children’s book
  • 1:08:43 – End of recording
Guest links and episode resources Kristin Dempsey Ali Hall

Watch the promotional video for Ali Hall and Kristin Dempsey’s book, Advancing Motivational Interviewing: An Experiential Skills Guide for Mental Health Providers.

Try a sample activity from Advancing Motivational Interviewing: An Experiential Skills Guide for Mental Health Providers.

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Ep 95 – Advancing MI Practice Through Coding and Coaching19 Jun 202601:27:51

 Glenn and Sebastian welcomed back Katie Hartlieb, PhD, RDN, to discuss advancing MI practice through coding and coaching. The conversation explores how structured feedback can support deliberate practice in Motivational Interviewing, how MITI and MI fidelity can help practitioners understand their developing skills, and the role of coaching and mentoring in strengthening MI practice over time. Dr. Hartlieb is a professor and program director of the Master of Science in Functional Nutrition at Parker University, in Dallas, Texas, for professionals seeking to create holistic, science-based health partnerships for optimal patient wellness.  She has been an active member of MINT for over 15 years and was named a Pediatric Obesity Subject Matter Expert by the Commission on Dietetics Registration. Her research interests include improving health behavior change conversations and family empowerment to achieve healthy lifestyles.

Dr. Hartlieb specializes in MI coding, coaching, and strengthening the MI standardized patient experience internationally, collaborating with organizations like the Wisconsin Human Service MI Implementation Team and the Japanese Association for Motivational Interviewing (JAMI). She resides with her family in Northern Michigan, USA, where nature time and eating the rainbow are daily pursuits and serves on the Board of Directors for the Grain Train Community Food Cooperative.

 

In this episode

        0:00 – Opening and episode introduction 

        7:38 – Role play 

      27:14 – Katie’s journey into MI and using coding to enhance practice 

      33:10 – Coding and coaching using the MI Treatment Integrity Code (MITI)           

      38:40 – Coaching session between Katie and Seb

   1:06:00 – Coaching session debrief

   1:25:50 – Katie’s projects in Asia 

   1:27:50 – End of recording 

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Ep 94 – Motivational Interviewing in Leadership & Organisations (MILO) – Part 220 Apr 202600:58:39

Episode 94 – MI in Leadership and Organizations – Part 2

Glenn and Seb were excited to bring Jeff Wetherhold, M.Ed. to the podcast to discuss MI in leadership and organizations (MILO) A former behavioral science researcher trained in change management and adult learning, Jeff has spent 20+ years supporting mission-driven organizations through change. 

Research shows that 88% of organizational change efforts produce no lasting results. The most common reasons center on communication, engagement, and support. An MI approach brings particular attention to partnership and empowerment when people are navigating change. Many leaders and managers are never taught how to effectively engage others in change.

Jeff helps leaders and staff navigate change together using Motivational Interviewing (MI) as a foundation. This connects closely with implementing Motivational Interviewing in organisations, where relationships, engagement and sustained support matter as much as initial training. He specializes in adapting MI for the challenges they encounter every day. His approach integrates MI with behavioral science, change management, adult learning principles, and evidence-driven communication methods.

Jeff has trained thousands of professionals in healthcare, human services, and mission-driven organizations in using MI to engage people who may be skeptical, disengaged, or experiencing change fatigue. Clients include the State of Illinois, the Institute for Healthcare Improvement, the University of Nebraska Medical Center, MIT, and the Institute for Healthcare Delivery Design.

Jeff is a board member of Motivational Interviewing in Leadership and Organizations (MILO), a faculty member with the Institute for Healthcare Improvement (IHI), a Prosci Certified Change Practitioner, and a member of the MI Network of Trainers (MINT). He holds a Master’s in Education from Harvard University.

In this episode

        0:00 – Opening and episode introduction 

        7:37 – Jeff introduction and the challenge of organizational change

      13:30 – The importance of relationship within organizations

      17:30 – How does change happen within organizations?

      23:40 – How we work with “agency”?

      28:20 – Leadership can be lonely and how MI can help?

      34:20 – An example from the field

      43:30 – MI in Leadership and Organizations (MILO)

      50:30 – Jeff’s work around “influence with dignity”

      53:30 – Differences in training leaders and therapists 

      58:38 – End of recording 

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Ep 93 – Integrating Body Awareness into Motivational Interviewing05 Feb 202601:32:47
Miranda Grattan Marie Delorme

Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Miranda Grattan and Marie Delorme to discuss integrating body awareness into Motivational Interviewing and the contribution of somatic therapy to MI practice. The conversation explores embodiment, nervous system capacity, trauma-informed practice, presence and how attention to bodily experience can deepen the relational spirit of MI. Related Knowledge Centre topics include the Spirit of Motivational Interviewing, Reflective Listening and Empowerment. Marie Delorme is a Certified Motivational Trainer based in Ottawa, Canada, regularly offering MI training and coaching internationally. She is a somatic psychotherapist certified in Integrated Somatic Therapy Practice (C-ISTP™) and provides trauma-informed therapy in both in-person and virtual settings. Marie’s work integrates motivational interviewing with body-based practices such as restorative yoga, breathwork, Thai yoga massage, movement, and sound therapy. She is passionate about creating safe, supportive spaces where people can reconnect with their bodies, release stress and trauma at their own pace, and move toward greater clarity, self-compassion, and personal growth.

Miranda Grattan is a Registered Social Worker (RSW, MSW), MI trainer and consultant, and a Somatic Experiencing® Practitioner (SEP™). She has been a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) since 2013 and served as a coach for the MINT-endorsed online Training New Trainers (TNT) in 2025. Based in Prince George, Canada, on the unceded lands of the Lheidli T’enneh, her work is grounded in relational, decolonizing, and anti-oppressive practice. Miranda is also an approved Advanced-level Training Assistant and a beginner-level Personal Education Session Provider within Somatic Experiencing® International’s three-year professional training program.

Drawing on her years of MI practice and teaching, alongside her work as a body-oriented trauma therapist, she explores an emerging contribution within the MI community: how attention to nervous system capacity, embodiment, and neurobiology can deepen the spirit of Motivational Interviewing, presence, and evocation. Her approach blends close observation of MI in action with practical guidance for nervous-system-informed communication and practice. She also facilitates neurobiologically informed professional learning across service systems, informing her understanding of motivation, capacity, and readiness in complex practice contexts.

Somatic Experiencing International (SEI) Disclaimer

The Somatic Experiencing® modality is provided for educational and informational purposes only and does not constitute providing medical advice, medical treatment or tools used for diagnosing or treating a health problem or disease. Those seeking personal medical advice should consult with a licensed physician.  For more information about the Somatic Experiencing modality, please visit the website www.traumahealing.org. 

SEI does not endorse, approve, or support any specific authors, practitioners, or contributors unless explicitly stated otherwise. Views, opinions, methodologies, or practices expressed by individuals regarding SEI modalities are their own and do not necessarily reflect the official views of SEI. 

In this episode

        0:00 – Opening and episode introduction 

        7:05 – Marie and Miranda’s introductions and early MI stories

      14:15 – Marie and Miranda’s early experiences with body focused work

      19:00 – Noticing the body when doing MI

      31:00 – Alignment of the mind, the heart, and the body

      36:45 – Integrating body awareness and MI

      46:35 – What does a body need when it is healing itself?

      56:10 – Marie demonstrating a resting somatic exercise

   1:05:15 – Miranda demonstrating an activating somatic exercise

   1:27:10 – “The body as a doorway to motivation” 

   1:28:30 – Marie working on balance and Miranda being an ice hockey mom

   1:32:46 – End of recording 

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Ep 92 – Motivational Interviewing in Oncology Cancer Care07 Dec 202501:03:53
Episode 92 – Motivational Interviewing in Oncology Cancer Care

Glenn and Sebastian were excited to have Dr. Maya Obadia on the podcast to discuss MI in oncology cancer care. Maya is a Registered Psychotherapist and a Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) certified MI trainer. She is currently a Lecturer in Kinesiology and Psychology at the University of Guelph-Humber, an affiliate of the ELLICSR Cancer and Survivorship Centre at UHN, and Director of Maya Obadia Training and Psychotherapy.  Her expertise is in MI for behaviour change in populations with chronic disease. Maya has received her doctorate from the Institute of Medical Science, Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto, and training at Sickkids in Toronto where she developed a MI training program for primary care physicians to use when treating children with obesity. Maya’s post doctoral fellowship training in the Department of Psychiatry, University of Toronto, and at UHN, paved the way for use of MI as an integral part of Cancer Rehabilitation and Survivorship at the Princess Margaret Cancer Centre. Maya continues to be involved in curriculum writing, training and research in oncology and health related programs. She has authored research papers and book chapters. Maya continues to consult with various research institutions and non profit supporting programs and curriculums in health behaviour change. Maya offers a variety or programming and trainings both in person and online as well as speaking engagements.

In this episode

     0:00 – Episode intro

     5:39 – Maya’s introduction and early MI story

   12:00 – Ambivalence in Oncology

   17:37 – Effective information exchange using Elicit-Provide-Elicit (or Ask-Offer-Ask)

   22:10 – Supporting a person with changing needs throughout their cancer treatment

   28:15 – System-wide implementation of MI

   39:10 – The use of importance and confidence rulers 

   49:00 – Trusting the MI process: “MIsting the plants”

   60:50 – Maya preparing for future trainings and travel

   53:53 – End of episode

Links and resources:

  • Email: maya@mayaobadia.com 
  • Website: http://mayaobadia.com/
  • Instagram: @drmayaphd  

 

CANO publication:

https://cdn.ymaws.com/www.cano-acio.ca/resource/resmgr/survivorship_modules/SurvMod_Unit_10-ENG-Sample.pdf

Relevant Citations

Ritvo P, Obadia M, Santa Mina D, Alibhai S, Sabiston C, Oh P, Campbell K, McCready D, Auger L, Jones JM. Smartphone-Enabled Health Coaching Intervention (iMOVE) to Promote Long-Term Maintenance of Physical Activity in Breast Cancer Survivors: Protocol for a Feasibility Pilot Randomized Controlled Trial. JMIR Res Protoc. 2017 Aug 24;6(8):e165. doi: 10.2196/resprot.6615. PMID: 28838886; PMCID: PMC5590009.

MacDonald AM, Chafranskaia A, Lopez CJ, Maganti M, Bernstein LJ, Chang E, Langelier DM, Obadia M, Edwards B, Oh P, Bender JL, Alibhai SM, Jones JM. CaRE @ Home: Pilot Study of an Online Multidimensional Cancer Rehabilitation and Exercise Program for Cancer Survivors. J Clin Med. 2020 Sep 25;9(10):3092. doi: 10.3390/jcm9103092. PMID: 32992759; PMCID: PMC7600555.

Flora PK, Lopez P, Mina DS, Jones JM, Brawley LR, Sabiston CM, Ferguson SE, Obadia MM, Auger LE. Feasibility and acceptability of a group-mediated exercise intervention for gynecological cancer survivors. J Psychosoc Oncol. 2022;40(6):770-789. doi: 10.1080/07347332.2021.1939474. Epub 2021 Jun 29. PMID: 34185628.

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Ep 91 – MI for Intimate Partner Violence06 Oct 2025

Glenn and Seb welcomed Ken McMaster, MSW Hons, CQSW, on the podcast to discuss the use of MI for intimate partner violence. Ken has over forty years’ experience working at the cutting edge of intervention work with men who are violent and who sexually abuse.  He is known for his innovative practice ideas and the ability to translate theory into practice.  He has held positions as a member and Chair of the Family Violence Advisory Committee/ Te Rangai Whiriwhiri Tukinotanga a-Whānau. This committee was established to provide the Minister of Social Services and Employment with independent policy advice on matters related to government initiatives within the family violence arena. He was also a founding member of the National Network of Stopping Violence Services/Te Kupenga Whakaoti Mahi Putanga and is a past chair. Ken worked on the Respondent Program Regulations for the Domestic Violence Act (1995). In addition, he has worked as a part-time lecturer in Social Work at Canterbury University and is now involved full-time with HMA as manager, writer of materials and principal trainer. He has been a member of the Domestic Violence Act Program Approvals Committee for the Ministry of Justice.

Ken McMaster has published two books on Domestic Violence – A Private Affair, GP Books: Wellington (1989) and Feeling Angry, Playing Fair, Reed: Auckland, (1988).  He has co-edited a book with Arthur Wells titled Innovative Approaches to Stopping Family Violence, Steele Roberts: Wellington (2003), and with Leon Bakker titled Will they do it again: Assessing and managing risk, HMA Books: Christchurch (2006).  In 2011 Ken co-edited with David Riley Effective Interventions with Offenders, Steele Roberts: Wellington (2011).

Ken has had involvement in training dating back to 1985 and has led the design of a number of large Correctional and MI initiatives in Australia and New Zealand. Ken is a member of the MI Network of Trainers (MINT) and is currently Chair of MINT after serving as Chair of  MINT Oceania, a voluntary  group of MINT members tasked with supporting MI practice within Australia and New Zealand.

In this episode
  • 0:00 – Episode intro
  • 7:09 – Ken’s introduction and early MI story
  • 10:30 – From “What you’ve done” to “What’s your story?”
  • 16:00 – Links to past trauma and creating safety
  • 20:30 – Supporting practitioners
  • 27:00 – Exploring discrepancy between values and behaviour
  • 28:30 – Working with mandated clients through partnership and empowerment
  • 35:35 – The “Why” in MI and evoking motivation for change
  • 43:30 – Combining MI with other approaches
  • 48:45 – Supporting the family
  • 51:20 – Technology and innovation: using AI and apps to reduce violence
  • 56:06 – End of episode
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Ep 90 – MI in Dentistry15 Sep 202501:06:52

Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Dougie Marks and Mairi Albiston on the podcast to discuss Motivational Interviewing in healthcare, with a particular focus on MI in dentistry. Dougie’s work concerns the furthering of knowledge of the ways in which science-based practice can be used to answer one of the oldest philosophical questions: “How should we live?” He is a Health Psychologist, CBT Therapist and Lecturer in Behavioural Sciences at the University of Glasgow, where he is based in the Medical School. His work spans the areas of teaching, research, consultancy and clinical practice. He uses a biopsychosocial model to understand the human condition and works with organisations, groups, and individuals to point people towards the development of the wholly integrated self. As well as teaching and researching at the University of Glasgow, he keeps a small clinical caseload of individual clients experiencing a variety of difficulties. His approach to therapy is individualized, based on the needs of each unique client. He has worked with a variety of international organisations to help them develop their working environment in such a manner that best facilitates the psychological health of their workforce.

 

Mairi Albiston (MA, MSc, PhD, DClinPsy) is a Clinical Psychologist who lives in Glasgow. Mairi works as Head of Programme for Physical Health and for Supervision, within the Psychology Directorate of NHS Education for Scotland. She leads a teaching programme based on MI principles for staff working in the Scottish NHS and Partnership setting in physical health and dental settings. She qualified in 2005 and specialises in adult mental health (with a particular specialism in trauma) and physical health (including weight management, plastic surgery, stroke and cardiac specialisms). She used to work in a dental hospital in 2010 treating dental anxiety and she has a special interest in the Psychology of Dentistry. She also oversees and teaches clinical supervision skills. In her spare time she is a mad keen walker and busies herself with her 4 kids!

In this episode

0:00 – Episode intro
4:03 – Dougie’s and Mairi’s introduction and early MI stories
14:30 – Incorporating MI in dentistry training
19:15 – Zooming out from the mouth
23:15 – Cultural shifts in training programs
29:55 – MI in dentistry evidence base: Findings and future directions
39:30 – Sequencing of change through the four tasks of Motivational Interviewing
44:00 – Speaking change into reality through change talk
49:40 – Trauma informed care in dentistry
1:06:52 – End of episode

Links and resources:
– Email: Mairi.Albiston@nhs.scot and dougie.marks@glasgow.ac.uk
– LinkedIn: Dr Mairi Albiston and Dr Dougie Marks 
– Paper citation: Aiman H, Kilgariff JK, Marks D, Albiston M. Does motivational
interviewing have a role in dentistry? Br Dent J. 2025 Feb;238(3):166-171. doi:
10.1038/s41415-025-8319-x. Epub 2025 Feb 14. PMID: 39953022.

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Ep 89 – Doing and Being MI01 Sep 202501:20:06

Glenn and Sebastian bring you a different sort of episode. Recorded over three parts, plus a brief intro, they discuss a clinical scenario that Sebastian was involved with through the lens of Doing and Being MI. They consider the four elements of the MI spirit and discuss the technical element of evoking change talk.

Doing and being Motivational Interviewing

Glenn Hinds and Sebastian Kaplan explore the relationship between doing MI and being MI through a clinical scenario. Across three parts, they consider how technical skill and relational practice work together, rather than treating Motivational Interviewing as a collection of communication techniques.

The discussion examines the four elements of MI spirit and the technical task of evoking change talk. Related Knowledge Centre topics include the Spirit of Motivational Interviewing, Change Talk and Reflective Listening.

In this episode
  • 0:00 – Episode intro
  • 2:07 – Part I begins
  • 6:15 – Overview of the group
  • 18:15 – How do we know if we are being helpful?
  • 34:28 – Part II begins
  • 47:00 – How does change talk fit?
  • 1:03:30 – Part III begins
  • 1:20:06 – End of episode

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Ep 88 – Using Motivational Interviewing in Crisis Response28 Apr 202501:03:17

Episode 88 – Using Motivational Interviewing in Crisis Response


Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Casey Jackson to discuss using Motivational Interviewing (MI) in crisis response situations. Casey is the CEO of the Institute for Individual and Organizational Change and an internationally recognised expert in evidence-based communication that drives real-world results. With over 40 years in behavioural health, Casey has trained thousands of professionals across healthcare, social services, first responders, and government—helping leaders and teams turn intention into lasting impact.

He is a long-time member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) and the lead author of the Motivational Interviewing Competency Assessment (MICA), a widely adopted tool for building fidelity in MI practice. Casey’s work centres on translating powerful communication strategies into practical tools that empower people to lead with clarity, connect with purpose, and create lasting change.

Using Motivational Interviewing in crisis response

Casey Jackson explores how Motivational Interviewing can support crisis response, including work involving mental health services, first responders and law enforcement. He considers how communication can reduce escalation and help practitioners respond with greater clarity, empathy and collaboration when people are distressed.

The conversation examines guiding, accurate empathy, partnership and evoking, alongside the importance of practitioner mindset. These themes connect with Reflective Listening, Partnership and the Spirit of Motivational Interviewing.

In this episode

0:00 – Episode intro

6:25 – Casey’s introduction and early MI story

10:30 – “How do we help people help people?”

13:45 – Bridging law enforcement with mental health

19:50 – Deescalating the brain with MI

29:15 – Helping police officers respond to people in crisis

34:15 – The five intentions/mindsets: 1) Activation; 2) Guiding; 3) Expressing accurate empathy; 4) Partnership; and 5) Evoking

43:05 – Beyond reflective listening

58:30 – Opening an MI-based clinic

1:03:16 – End of episode

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Ep 87 – Integrated Primary Care and Motivational Interviewing08 Apr 202501:01:02

 Integrated Primary Care and Motivational Interviewing

 

Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Daniel Mullin, PsyD, MPH to discuss Integrated Primary Care and Motivational Interviewing. Dan is the Director of the Center for IPC and a Professor in the Department of Family Medicine and Community Health at UMass Chan Medical School. Dan is a clinician, educator, researcher, and consultant specializing in the integration of behavioral health and primary care services. He maintains a clinical practice embedded in the Barre Family Health Center, a rural family medicine residency practice in Massachusetts. Dan is a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers and provides training in Motivational Interviewing to healthcare providers. He is a developer of the Practice Integration Profile, a measure of the integration of behavioral and primary care services.

 

 

 

 

Integrated primary care and Motivational Interviewing

Daniel Mullin explores why Motivational Interviewing fits particularly well within integrated primary care. He discusses access, coordination, continuity and comprehensiveness, and considers how MI can provide a shared communication approach for medical and behavioural health practitioners working together.

The episode also examines empathy, high-risk conversations and allowing patients to teach practitioners what matters to them. These themes connect with Motivational Interviewing in Healthcare, Reflective Listening and Partnership.

In this episode

 

     0:00 – Episode intro

     4:30 – Dan’s introduction and early MI story

   10:08 – What is helpful about MI in high risk situations?

   16:15 – “Your patient begins to teach you…”

   21:10 – Making decisions based on thoughts

   25:15 – IPC and why MI is a good fit

   32:00 – Four principles of IPC: 1) Access; 2) Coordination; 3) Continuity; 4) Comprehensiveness

   44:10 – Expanding the scope of practice for medical and behavioral health practitioners

   48:35 – How MI offers a common language for integrated primary care

   51:51 – Empathy as a way to “do no harm”

   57:00 – Dan’s department celebrating its 50 year anniversary

1:01:02 – End of episode

 

Links and resources:

Center for Integrated Primary Care website – https://www.umassmed.edu/cipc/

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Ep 86 – Becoming a MINTie20 Mar 202501:07:26

Episode 86 – Becoming a MINTie

Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Dr Colin O’Driscoll and several other guests to discuss how to become a MINTie, a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT). Colin is a Chartered Psychologist (PSI, BPS, HCPC) and accredited Psychotherapist (IACP). He’s a Fellow of the Psychological Society of Ireland (PSI). He is currently the MINT Training for New Trainers (TNT) Coordinator and clinical lead for Ireland’s Mid-West Addiction Services. Colin has a passion for evidence-based practice, coordinated care processes and multidisciplinary treatment procedures. 

 

Additional Guests:

 

 

 

Kenzie Leffingwell, Director of Training & Development at First Choice Services is passionate about suicide prevention, a mission that comes from her own lived experience as a suicide survivor after losing her father to suicide. She holds a bachelor’s degree in psychology from Marshall University and a master’s in Human Services Counseling: Crisis Response and Trauma from Liberty University. Kenzie started her career at First Choice Services as a crisis counselor and, for the past year and a half, has served as the Director of Training and Development. In this role, she develops and tailors new hire trainings to meet the needs of her team, helping them feel confident and prepared to support the specific needs of those who use FCS services. As a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT), Kenzie loves empowering others to have compassionate, effective conversations about mental health and suicide prevention.

Outside of work, Kenzie’s life is full. She’s a mom to three boys and three cats, and you can often find her cheering at the baseball field, kayaking, reading, or diving into a good game of Dungeons and Dragons.

 

Mark Bowley is a Western Australian based on Noongar Boodja country with a diverse background in pastoral care, youth justice, and workforce development. Beginning his career in retail, he later pursued studies in Christian Ministry and Counselling, leading him to chaplaincy in public high schools. There, he developed a passion for strengths-based and person-centred approaches, including Motivational Interviewing (MI).

Mark spent over a decade in WA’s Juvenile Justice system, progressing from Youth Custodial Officer to Training Officer and team leader at the Department of Justice Academy. He has facilitated suicide prevention and mental health first aid training for more than 12 years.

Now an AOD Workforce Development Officer with the WA Mental Health Commission, Mark delivers training in MI, Trauma-Informed Care, youth AOD interventions, and harm reduction. As a MINT member, he remains committed to growing as an MI practitioner and ensuring high-quality training for professionals across Western Australia.

 

Mark Powell, a registered psychiatric nurse and AOD clinician with 30+ years of experience, Mark leads WRAD Health an organisation, integrating specialist AOD care with medical and allied health services. Mark is passionate about motivational interviewing, as a core skill throughout his career fostering evidence-based, client-centered change. He champions family inclusion, dual diagnosis treatment, and facilitates Family SMART Recovery groups.

 

 

 

 

Ashley White, CMHC is a therapist and MI trainer based in Salt Lake City, Utah. She works at PARCKA (Program for Addiction Research, Clinical Care, Knowledge, and Advocacy), facilitating behavioral health research interventions and training for multidisciplinary practitioners, including healthcare professionals, in evidence-based approaches to behavior change. In her private practice, she integrates nature-based therapy and contemplative practices to support clients in deepening self-awareness and resilience. Passionate about social justice, she is dedicated to serving vulnerable populations, particularly those affected by addiction. Outside of work, she enjoys spending time with her kids and exploring the outdoors.

 

 

JOHN SEIVERT

 

Becoming a Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers member

Colin O’Driscoll and fellow MINT members explore the journey towards becoming a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers. They discuss the Training for New Trainers process, developing competence in MI, learning within an international community and what participants can expect from the experience.

The conversation highlights that becoming an MI trainer involves more than teaching techniques. It requires continuing development of practice, feedback and attention to the Spirit of Motivational Interviewing, including Partnership and Empowerment.

In this episode

 

   0:00 – Information about the “Podcastathon” and how to donate to the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers Public Service Fund

  01:25 – Episode preview

  08:37 – Colin’s introduction and early MI story

  13:00 – Colin becoming the Training for New Trainers (TNT) director 

  16:00 – How to become a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT)

  21:05 – The importance of practice in learning MI

  24:00 – What happens in a TNT

  28:05 – Colin’s reflections on the recordings of recent TNT graduates

 

TNT graduate recordings:

  33:48 – Kenzie Leffingwell

  41:03 – Mark Bowley

  48:53 – Mark Powell

1:12:00 – Ashley White

1:20:00 – John Sievert

1:26:10 – Reflections on recordings

1:07:26 – End of episode

 

Links and contact information:

To contribute/donate to the MINT Public Service Fund as part of the global 2025 Podcastathon

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Ep 85 – Ambivalence and Motivational Interviewing04 Feb 202501:30:15

Glenn and Sebastian were happy to welcome back Dr. Allan Zuckoff to the podcast to discuss ambivalence. Allan is a clinical psychologist who has dedicated the past 30 years to motivational interviewing (MI) research, training, implementation, and practice. As a clinician, teacher, and clinical researcher in the departments of psychology and psychiatry at the University of Pittsburgh for more than two decades, he oversaw intervention development, training, and fidelity monitoring for a dozen clinical trials testing novel applications of MI in substance use, mental health, and health behavior setting; he has presented widely at international meetings and published more than 40 articles and chapters on this work. More recently, he has been responsible for clinical innovation in design and execution of MI-based telehealth advance care planning and patient navigation programs.

 

Allan has been a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) since 1998. He served for nine years on MINT’s Board of Directors, including three as Chair, and was Editor of the MINT Bulletin and MINT’s online journal, Motivational Interviewing: Training, Research, Implementation, Practice (MITRIP). He has trained professionals from a variety of disciplines on three continents and served as a MINT trainer of trainers. He is the author of the self-guided MI book Finding Your Way to Change: How the Power of Motivational Interviewing Can Reveal What You Want and Help You Get There, published by Guilford Press and available in English, Dutch, Italian, and Spanish.

 

Ambivalence in Motivational Interviewing

Allan Zuckoff explores ambivalence as a central human experience and an important focus within Motivational Interviewing. He considers ambivalence as an internal conflict rather than resistance, and discusses how values, importance and confidence can help practitioners understand the different directions a person may be pulled towards.

The conversation also explores discord, hidden ambivalence, values card sorts and the practitioner’s capacity to stay alongside uncertainty without rushing to resolve it. These themes connect with Sustain Talk, Discord and Reflective Listening.

In this episode

0:00 – Episode intro
10:10 – Allan’s introduction and early MI story
15:00 – The core of MI stays the same
23:10 – What is ambivalence?
27:10 – Ambivalence as a conflict within ourselves
31:15 – The role of values in separating the two sides of ambivalence
34:55 – Importance and confidence scaling
41:15 – Resonance as a metaphor
47:15 – Discord and the capacity to tolerate ambivalence
59:45 – The benefits of ambivalence
1:12:00 – Hidden ambivalence and the use of the Values Card Sort
1:20:00 – “There’s a good reason for everything that people do”
1:26:10 – “Foxes and hedgehogs”
1:30:15 – End of episode

 

Links and resources:
– Allan’s email – allan@allanzuckoff.com
– Allan’s website – www.allanzuckoff.com
– Allan’s blog – https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/contributors/allan-zuckoff-phd
– Allan’s book – Finding Your Way to Change: How the Power of Motivational Interviewing Can Reveal What You Want and Help You Get There. Guilford Press, 2015.

 

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Ep 84 – MI for Gambling Addiction 07 Jan 202501:07:31

Episode 84 – MI for Gambling Addiction

Glenn and Sebastian welcomed David C. Hodgins, Ph.D., R.Psych., FCAHS, FRSC, to the program to discuss MI for gambling addiction. Dr. Hodgins is a professor in the Program in Clinical Psychology in the Department of Psychology, University of Calgary and is director of the Addictive Behaviours Lab at the University of Calgary. Dr. Hodgins is also a research coordinator with the Alberta Gambling Research Institute. His research interests focus on various aspects of addictive behaviours including relapse and recovery from substance abuse and gambling disorders. Dr. Hodgins teaches in the clinical psychology program and has an active cadre of graduate students. He maintains a private practice in Calgary in addition to providing consultation to organizations internationally. 

 

 

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Motivational Interviewing for gambling problems

David Hodgins explores Motivational Interviewing for gambling problems, drawing on his research into addictive behaviours, relapse and recovery. He discusses similarities and differences between gambling and other addictions and how MI can support conversations with people who are considering change.

The episode examines change talk, sustain talk, autonomy and harm reduction, alongside what clinicians working with gambling problems need to understand. Related Knowledge Centre topics include Change Talk, Sustain Talk and Empowerment.

In this episode

0:00 – Opening and episode preview

05:56 – David’s background and early MI story 

17:22 – Early work with people who gamble and the development of a self-help book

22:25 – Differences and similarities between gambling and other addictions

29:20 – MI for gambling 

37:00 – Change talk and sustain talk in the context of MI with people who gamble

48:40 – Supporting the autonomy of people who gamble

53:40 – What is important for a gambling clinician to know?

1:01:38 – Working with industry to support harm reduction efforts

1:07:30 – End of episode

 

 

Contact info and related links:

Email: dhodgins@ucalgary.ca 

Learn more about David’s research and team: www.addiction.ucalgary.ca

Workbooks and other self-help material: https://ucalgary.ca/labs/addictive-behaviours/resources/workbooks 

 

 

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Ep 83 – MI with Couples09 Sep 202401:21:59

Episode 83 – MI with couples

Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Tyrel Starks, PhD, onto the podcast to discuss his work on MI with couples.  A South Dakota native, Dr. Starks studied two years at Oberlin Conservatory before returning to the University of South Dakota to complete his undergraduate degree in psychology. He earned his PhD in child-clinical psychology from Southern Illinois University Carbondale in 2009. After a post-doctoral fellowship at Hunter College, he returned to join the faculty of the Psychology Department in 2014 and is now a professor. For more than 15 years, he has studied relationships and health, particularly substance use and HIV-related health in sexual minority men. The development of motivational interviewing with couples has been at the heart of this work. A licensed clinical psychologist and member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers, he is active as a trainer and clinical supervisor.

 

 

 

 

Episode index:

Motivational Interviewing with couples

Tyrel Starks explores Motivational Interviewing with couples and the distinctive challenges that arise when a practitioner is working with two people in the same conversation. He discusses relationship functioning, finding common ground and balancing the couple’s shared goals with each person’s autonomy.

The conversation considers evoking change talk without forcing consensus, practitioner language and communication within relationships. These themes connect with Partnership, Change Talk and Reflective Listening.

In this episode

0:00 – Opening and episode preview

04:42 – Tyrel’s journey from music to MI

13:15 – Intersection of HIV and substance use

21:25 – Early days of Tyrel’s work with couples

26:50 – MI with couples 

31:10 – Relationship functioning before talking about change

38:00 – Balancing seeking consensus with evoking change talk

50:30 – Unique shifts for the practitioner: Introspection and use of language

57:20 – How might communication within the couple change?

1:12:20 – Future directions for MI with couples

1:15:45 – Cultivating common ground from political disagreements

1:21:59 – End of episode

 

Contact info and related links:

 

Email: tstarks@hunter.cuny.edu 

 

Learn more about Dr. Starks’ research and team: https://www.hunterrhrt.org/ 

 

Read Dr. Starks’ blog about LGBTQ+ relationships:https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/queer-relationships-no-straight-lines 

 

Learn more about MI with couples:https://global.oup.com/academic/product/motivational-interviewing-with-couples-9780197549643?cc=us&lang=en&

 

MI in Groups: https://www.guilford.com/books/Motivational-Interviewing-in-Groups/Wagner-Ingersoll-Contributors/9781462507924 

 

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Ep 82 – MI at Home05 Aug 202401:11:47

Episode 82 – MI at Home

Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Stephen Rollnick, PhD to the podcast to discuss the application of MI to conversations with family members. Steve is a clinical psychologist and Honorary Distinguished Professor in the School of Medicine, Cardiff, UK, and a co-founder of motivational interviewing.

 

He grew up in Cape Town, South Africa and lives in Cardiff, Wales. He was a practising psychologist in the UK National Health Service for 16 years, and then became a teacher and researcher on the subject of communication and behaviour change.

 

 

He has authored and co-authored books on motivational interviewing (Miller & Rollnick, 1991; 2001; 2012), and on applications in health care (Rollnick, Mason & Butler, 1999; Rollnick, Miller & Butler, 2007; 2022), schools (Rollnick, Kaplan & Rutschman, 2016) and sport (Rollnick, Fader, Breckon & Moyers, 2019).

 

He has published widely in scientific journals and has taught practitioners in many countries and continents. He has retired from his academic career and now focuses on projects in elite sport and healthcare.

 

 

Motivational Interviewing at home

Stephen Rollnick explores how the principles of Motivational Interviewing can inform everyday conversations with family members. Rather than turning home life into therapy, he considers how restraint, curiosity and respect for autonomy can help us respond differently when we strongly want someone we care about to change.

The episode looks at conversations with children, partners and other family members, including what may need to change beyond behaviour itself. These ideas connect with Empowerment, Reflective Listening and the Fixing Reflex.

In this episode

00:00 – Episode preview

07:18 – MI at home – where the idea started

13:08 – Steve’s story about working with mothers with babies infected with AIDS

20:00 – Steve recalls an article about MI at home written by his son Jake as a young man

27:30 – What else is there to change besides behavior?

46:50 – The importance of “restraint” 

59:00 – Conversations with others at home (not just kids)

1:07:50 – Steve’s work with first responders and elite sportsmen

1:11:46 – End of episode

 

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X: @stephenrollnick 

 

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Ep 81 – MI for Sport & Performance08 Jul 202401:04:15

MI for Sport and Performance

Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Dr. Ben Freakley, CMPC on the podcast to discussed MI in sport and performance settings. Ben is a leader in the field of applied sport and performance psychology with a career spanning over two decades. He is the founder and CEO of Ready, Set, Resilient, which provides sports and performance psychology services to individuals, teams, and organizations. 

Throughout his career, Ben has held several significant positions. He served as the Head of Mental Performance for the Toronto Blue Jays, where he led the development and delivery of mental skills programs across all levels of the organization. He was also the inaugural head coach and general manager of Tormenta FC in the United Soccer League (USL). His expertise extends to tactical environments, having worked as the performance psychology coach with the 75th Ranger Regiment of the United States Army Special Operations Forces.  

 

Ben holds a doctoral degree in Sport and Performance Psychology with an emphasis in Clinical Mental Health Counseling. He is also a Certified Mental Performance Consultant (CMPC) through the Association for Applied Sport Psychology (AASP). His research focus areas include leadership preferences of NCAA Division One coaches and psychological frameworks that promote human flourishing.

 

Before his full-time work in sport and performance psychology, Ben spent over a decade as an NCAA College Soccer coach demonstrating his versatility and depth in coaching, psychology of performance, and team culture. 

 

In his private practice, Ben works with executives and businesses, professional athletes and teams, and NCAA college athletics programs to help them evaluate and enhance their processes, performance, and well-being. 

Ben is a sought-after speaker on topics such as resilience, mental performance, motivation, leadership, and organizational culture.

 

 

Motivational Interviewing for sport and performance

Ben Freakley explores the use of Motivational Interviewing in sport and performance settings. Drawing on his experience in elite sport, coaching, mental performance and military environments, he discusses autonomy support, motivation and how practitioners can adapt their communication when performance matters.

The conversation considers the difference between directing, guiding and following, and how coaches can support athletes without taking over responsibility for change. These themes connect with Empowerment, Partnership and the Spirit of Motivational Interviewing.

In this episode

00:00 – Opening and episode preview

05:27 – Ben intro and early MI story

08:35 – Autonomy support in sport and military settings

15:01 – Shifting between following, guiding, and directing

17:20 – MI spirit in sport

24:45 – “Being a warm fire”

28:00 – Progressive sporting institutions

41:00 – What is success beyond winning?

43:00 – Situations in sport when MI helps

54:45 – Key points for coaches to learn and apply

1:04:14 – End of episode

 

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LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/ben-freakley-edd-cmpc-a5036bb1

Website: rsrcoaching.com  

Email: bencfreakley@gmail.com 

 

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Ep 80 – Motivational Interviewing & Behaviourism24 Jun 202400:57:13

Episode 80 – MI and Behaviourism

 

Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Dr James Anderson to the podcast to discuss MI and behaviourism. James is a psychologist and Chief of Psychiatry at Bassett Healthcare Network in Cooperstown, NY.  James is interested in the integration of behavioral health into primary care and improving the ability of our healthcare systems to provide whole-person care.  He has special interest in helping people struggling with addiction, and has published work on integrating accessible and effective treatment for opioid use disorder into primary care settings.  James takes a technically eclectic approach to offering psychotherapy intervention to patients in need, including use of cognitive-behavioral therapy, acceptance and commitment therapy, and of course, motivational interviewing.  Theoretically, James views the human condition from a radical behaviorist viewpoint, and contrary to the common view of such an approach as encouraging a mechanistic and cold world view, sees behaviourism as underlying a philosophy of acceptance and tolerance of others.

 

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Motivational Interviewing and behaviourism

James Anderson explores the relationship between Motivational Interviewing and behaviourism. He explains what behaviourism means, how behavioural principles can inform conversations about change and why a behavioural perspective need not conflict with compassion, acceptance or whole-person care.

The discussion also considers the integration of MI with other therapeutic approaches and practical applications of behavioural concepts. These themes connect with Compassion, Acceptance and the Spirit of Motivational Interviewing.

In this episode

0:00 – Opening and episode preview

6:09 – James intro and early MI story

11:24 – What is behaviorism?

19:36 – How behaviorism fits with MI

25:16 – Behaviorism and compassion

39:11 – Applying behavioral concepts to conversations about change

51:21 – Psychedelic assisted therapy

57:18 – End of episode

 

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Email: jamesbergeranderson@gmail.com

 

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Ep 79 – MI & Health Coaching19 May 2024

MI and Health Coaching

 

Glenn and Sebastian were joined by Amanda Gabarda, EdD and Susan Butterworth, PhD to discuss health coaching and Motivational Interviewing. Dr. Gabarda is currently the Senior Director of Clinical Training & Development at UPMC Health Plan where she is responsible for designing, scaling, and evaluating evidence-based training, quality assurance, and health behavior change interventions for digital, telephonic, and in-person health coaching and care management. Dr. Gabarda is passionate about combining coaching and behavior change science to empower individuals to live their best and healthiest lives. She has a Bachelor and Master of Science in Exercise Science, a Master of Public Health, and a Doctorate of Education. She is a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers, a National Board Certified Health and Wellness Coach, and a Certified Health Education Specialist.

Dr. Susan Butterworth is currently an Associate Professor at the Center for Health System Improvement at the University of Tennessee Health Science Center and Director of Patient Engagement for the Tennessee Heart Health Network. Susan is also the founder of Q-consult, LLC which provides consulting and training services to large organizations to improve patient engagement and patient-centered care. Her clinical background is exercise physiology and she received her doctoral degree in adult education and training with a cognate in health promotion from Virginia Commonwealth University. Susan specializes in the application of motivational interviewing-based health coaching interventions in healthcare and is well-published in this area. In addition, she has been awarded or served on multiple grants to assess the impact of health coaching interventions in healthcare organizations including health plans, hospitals, and clinics. She has been a member of the Motivational Interviewing Networking of Trainers (MINT) since 2002.

 

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Motivational Interviewing and health coaching

Amanda Gabarda and Susan Butterworth explore the relationship between Motivational Interviewing and health coaching. They discuss how MI changed the delivery of health coaching, the psychology of lifestyle change and what practitioners have learned from implementing MI-based coaching in healthcare organisations.

The conversation considers patient engagement, coaching practice and supporting people to make personally meaningful health changes. Related Knowledge Centre topics include Motivational Interviewing in Healthcare, Partnership and Empowerment.

In this episode

        0:00 – Opening and episode preview 

        5:33 – Amanda and Susan’s introduction and early MI stories 

      11:30 – How MI changed the delivery of health coaching

      16:00 – The psychology of lifestyle change

      23:00 – What has been the response to MI from clients and organizations 

      30:00 – Coaching as a “vehicle for learning and growing and transforming” 

      36:30 – Coaching as a brief intervention

      42:45 – How does a health coach fit into the healthcare system

      49:55 – What is the experience of being a health coach

      58:00 – Research on MI and health coaching

   1:05:30 – Amanda and Susan learning about artificial intelligence

   1:09:20 – Real-play with Susan and Sebastian

   1:18:00 – Real-play debrief 

   1:26:24 – End of episode 

 

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Ep 78 – Self-Help MI14 Apr 202401:11:44

MI and Self-Help

Glenn and Sebastian were joined by Michelle Drapkin, PhD, to discuss Motivational Interviewing and self-help. Dr. Drapkin has been working in the area of behavior change for over 20 years. She is the Owner/Director of the CBT Center and previously held roles in industry (Johnson and Johnson), academia (University of Pennsylvania and Rutgers) and federal government (Department of Veteran Affairs). She has dedicated her professional career to using psychological research to help people. She is a board-certified Clinical Psychologist and sees patients in her private practice, consults with healthcare tech start-ups, and delivers trainings and workshops on communication/motivation and health and wellbeing at work and in life. She is the sole author of The Motivational Interviewing Path to Personal Change: The Essential Workbook for Creating the Life You Want from New Harbinger Publications.

 

 

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Motivational Interviewing for self-help and personal change

Michelle Drapkin explores whether the principles of Motivational Interviewing can be applied to ourselves. Drawing on her work in behaviour change and her book on personal change, she discusses motivation, self-compassion, the inner critic and developing a more helpful way of relating to ourselves.

The episode includes practical exercises and considers what it means to bring the MI way of being into personal reflection. These themes connect with the Spirit of Motivational Interviewing, Compassion and Empowerment.

In this episode

        0:00 – Opening and episode preview 

        4:42 – Michelle’s introduction and early MI story

      10:55 – Enhancing motivation through behavioral principles

      19:08 – “How does one do MI with oneself?”

      24:20 – Self-compassion: Having a more effective relationship with our inner critic 

      30:20 – “A way of being with ourselves”

      42:30 – Using Michelle’s self-help book

      45:45 – Trying the “best self” exercise 

   1:08:25 – Michelle supporting her daughter

   1:11:44 – End of episode 

 

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Ep 77 – MI and Brain Injury22 Mar 202401:12:36

How can Motivational Interviewing be adapted when working with people who have experienced a brain injury? In Episode 77 of Talking to Change, Glenn Hinds and Sebastian Kaplan speak with Russha Knauer about using MI with people affected by brain injury, including cognitive and communication challenges practitioners may need to consider.

The conversation explores how practitioners can adapt their communication while maintaining the collaborative Spirit of MI. Russha draws on her experience in criminal justice and with the MINDSOURCE Brain Injury Network to consider the importance of flexibility, careful listening and working alongside the person rather than imposing a predetermined approach.

Motivational Interviewing and brain injury

Russha explores applying Motivational Interviewing with people who have experienced a brain injury. The discussion considers how MI can remain collaborative while responding flexibly to the cognitive and communication needs of the person.

These themes connect with the wider principles of Motivational Interviewing, particularly Partnership, Acceptance and Reflective Listening.

In this episode
  • 0:00 – Opening and episode preview
  • 5:05 – Russha’s introduction, her early MI story and applying MI in juvenile justice settings
  • 17:15 – Transition to working with people who have experienced brain injury
  • 27:00 – Challenges in caring for people with brain injury
  • 46:55 – Applications of Motivational Interviewing
  • 1:12:36 – End of episode
About Russha Knauer

Russha has a BA in psychology and a master’s degree in Criminal Justice Administration. She joined the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers in San Diego in 2009. Before joining the MINDSOURCE Brain Injury Network, she spent 20 years working in juvenile and criminal justice. Her work includes exploring how Motivational Interviewing can be adapted for people who have experienced an injury to the brain.

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Ep 76 – MI For Burnout & Compassion Fatigue04 Mar 202401:05:14

Glenn and Sebastian were joined by Debra Collins, MA, LMFT to discuss MI as a way to reduce burnout and compassion fatigue. Debra has extensive experience in clinical practice, supervision and program management. She has been a program manager/clinical director in community-based clinics and has provided direct service, behavioral health consultation, program development, training, and supervision/coaching for a wide variety of social service, addiction and criminal justice settings.

 

Throughout her career Debra has organized and participated in Community Response Teams when communities have been faced with natural disasters, violent crimes, or other catastrophic events. She is an active member of Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) serving on the Reinstatement Committee and has presented at conferences, grand rounds, and panel discussions. 

 

She is currently exploring how the Spirit of MI can support providers in reducing their risk of burnout and compassion fatigue and how the practice of MI might also be useful in helping providers explore their own ambivalence in utilizing self-care strategies.

 

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Motivational Interviewing for burnout and compassion fatigue

Debra Collins explores how Motivational Interviewing can support practitioners experiencing burnout and compassion fatigue. She considers how the relational spirit of MI may help helpers notice their own needs, explore ambivalence about self-care and reconnect with the relationships at the heart of their work.

The conversation includes Ask-Offer-Ask, creativity, wellness and taking better care of ourselves. It also connects practitioner wellbeing with the Spirit of Motivational Interviewing, Compassion and Information Exchange.

In this episode

        0:00 – Opening and episode preview 

        4:00 – Debra’s introduction and early MI story

      15:40 – Burnout and compassion fatigue

      19:30 – Where does the relationship go?

      25:00 – How the MI spirit helps the helper 

      32:15 – Ask-Offer-Ask

      39:00 – Taking better care of ourselves

      51:48 – Being a “provider” 

   1:00:00 – Wondering how creativity intersects with wellness

   1:05:14 – End of episode 

 

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Ep 75 – MI and Spirituality20 Feb 202401:09:31
Episode 75: MI and Spirituality

Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Sky Kershner to the podcast to discuss MI and Spirituality. Sky is an Assistant Professor in Psychiatry at WVU School of Medicine.

Sky has a Doctor of Ministry degree as well as a Masters in Clinical Social Work. He is the retired Director of KPCC Counseling in Charleston, WV. Sky is a Member of MINT, the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (one of two in WV), and is a MINT Certified Trainer. Sky has trained over 8000 professionals in MI across WV, the US, and abroad.

 

Sky has received several awards for his professional work, including the WV Civil Rights Award and WV Counselor of the Year. Sky’s biggest “15 minutes of fame” moment is that he once appeared as a guest therapist on the Discovery Studios show “Hoarders.”  He is also a contributing author for the book “ACT Therapy for Pastoral Counselors,” edited by Steven Hayes. 

 

Sky is the Pastor at the Unity Church in Charleston and teaches psychodynamics (fear of feelings) to psychiatric residents at WVU School of Medicine, Charleston Division. Sky is an Accelerated Resolution Therapy (ART) trained practitioner, and is especially interested in the way this approach can help First Responders successfully process difficult images and memories, sometimes in just one session. Sky’s presentation topics include Optimism and Resilience, Spirituality and Recovery, Trauma Informed Parenting, Trauma Informed Care, Cultural Sensitivity, and Professional Boundaries for Clergy, and Transitions.

 

Sky grew up in Eastern Pennsylvania, trained, practiced, and taught in New York City before making West Virginia his home over thirty years ago. Sky lives in Charleston with his wife, two kids in college, and a very little dog.

 

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Motivational Interviewing and spirituality

Sky Kershner explores Motivational Interviewing and spirituality, drawing on his experience in counselling, psychiatry, ministry and MI training. He considers similarities between pastoral counselling and MI, spiritual experiences in the process of change and ways practitioners can respect beliefs without imposing their own values.

The discussion includes autonomy support, compassion and the importance of meeting people within their own understanding of meaning and change. These themes connect with Empowerment, Acceptance and the Spirit of Motivational Interviewing.

In this episode

        0:00 – Opening and episode preview 

        4:50 – Sky’s introduction and early MI story

      15:30 – Pastoral counseling and similarities with MI

      26:30 – Spiritual experiences and change

      33:00 – Autonomy supportive spirituality 

      47:30 – Faith as trust 

      58:20 – Ambivalence in spirituality: Resolution through forgiveness

   1:06:30 – Sky exploring artificial intelligence 

   1:09:31 – End of episode 

 

Links and Contact Information:

  • Email: skykershner@gmail.com
  • Website: www.wv-mi.com
  • Citation for Quantum Change book referenced in episode
    • Miller, W.R., & Baca, J.C. (2001). Quantum change: When epiphanies and sudden insights transform ordinary lives. Guilford Press.

 

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Ep 74 – MI and Servant Leadership09 Jan 202400:50:05

MI and Servant Leadership

Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Jemima Neddy Organ to the podcast to discuss MI and servant leadership. Jemima is a community educator having worked as an instructor and training consultant in Kenya and the Middle East. In Kenya, Jemima was actively involved in advocacy and education of mental health issues in the community. She initiated the writing of the psychological bill to acknowledge counseling as a profession in Kenya. Jemima also initiated a behavior change program for youth (in a faith-based organization). The program is now in six countries in Africa due to her active training and mentoring of the leaders.

 

 

 

Jemima has a Ph.D. from the Organization, Information, & Learning Sciences (OILS) program at the University of New Mexico in Albuquerque USA with a focus on Instructional Design (ID), Adult Education & Professional Development (AE&PD), and Motivational Interviewing in leadership (MI-Lead). Her dissertation was on “Motivational Interviewing: A Tool for Servant Leadership.” She was trained, coached, and is being mentored by Dr. William Miller, the father of MI. Jemima holds a master’s degree in Counseling Psychology from Daystar University in Nairobi, Kenya, and a bachelor’s degree in Psychology and Counseling from the University of Nairobi, Kenya. Jemima has over 27 years’ of experience in the mental health profession and is also a licensed professional counselor-candidate (LPCC) in Colorado. Jemima is an active member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) and she integrates her counseling skills with adult education and professional development. Her visionary personality has enabled her to initiate MI as a tool for servant leaders. Jemima gives presentations, trains, teaches, and coaches leaders on how to incorporate Motivational Interviewing in their leadership style. 

 

Motivational Interviewing and servant leadership

Jemima Neddy Organ explores Motivational Interviewing as a tool for servant leadership. Drawing on her work in counselling, adult education, professional development and leadership, she considers how MI can help leaders move from directing people towards listening, collaboration and supporting autonomy.

The discussion connects MI’s relational foundations with leadership practice and the development of people and organisations. These themes align closely with Partnership, Empowerment and the Spirit of Motivational Interviewing.

In this episode

        0:00 – Opening and episode preview 

        5:00 – Jemima introduction and early MI story

      11:45 – How MI fits in the context of leadership

      20:50 – Jemima’s father as an early source of hope

      23:06 – What is servant leadership?

      30:45 – The distinction between servant and transformational leadership            

      37:50 – The core skills of MI (i.e. OARS) and servant leadership 

      48:18 – Transitions 

      50:05 – End of recording 

 

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Ep 73 – MI and Hope in Alaska12 Dec 202300:49:53
MI and Hope in Alaska

Glenn and Sebastian discussed MI and Hope in Alaska with Sarah Niecko. Sarah is an Assistant Professor of Behavioral Health Sciences at the University of Alaska Southeast in Juneau, AK, USA. She has a Master of Science in Medicine and a Doctorate of Health Sciences.  She is also a Duke trained Health & Wellness Coach and a recent member of MINT (Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers). She spent 18 years practicing behavioral and lifestyle medicine, including two years in rural Alaska partnering with Yup’ik Eskimos. It was during this time that she began to fully appreciate the transformative potential of motivational interviewing and the healing power of culture, resilience, and hope. 

Motivational Interviewing, hope and resilience

Sarah Niecko explores Motivational Interviewing, hope and resilience through her work in Alaska. Drawing on behavioural and lifestyle medicine and her experience in rural Alaska, she reflects on culture, identity, curiosity and compassion as resources for both practitioners and the people they serve.

The episode considers burnout, the MI spirit directed towards ourselves and the role of language in reconnecting with identity. These themes connect with the Spirit of Motivational Interviewing, Compassion and Acceptance.

In this episode

        0:00 – Opening and episode preview 

        5:00 – Transforming burnout through hope and love

      14:00 – Adapting to a new world through curiosity and compassion 

      22:30 – Embodying the MI spirit

      27:53 – “Hope is the flint of the heart”

      32:03 – MI spirit directed inward before radiating it forward

      36:57 – Language as a way to rediscover identity

      40:00 – Creating a new integrated behavioral health program

      49:52 – End of recording 

Links and contact information:

Email: sniecko@alaska.edu

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EP 72 – Non-Suicidal Self Injury & MI12 Nov 202301:07:56
Non-Suicidal Self Injury & MI

Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Victoria Kress and Rachel O’Neill to the podcast to discuss non-suicidal self-injury (NSSI). Victoria E. Kress is a distinguished professor and the director of the clinical mental health and addictions counseling programs at Youngstown State University. She has been the recipient of over 50 awards, most of which for her advocacy, leadership, scholarship, community service, and mentorship initiatives.  She has published over 130 articles and book chapters, and she has co-authored 5 books on clinical mental health counseling with youth and adults. She is a past president of Chi Sigma Iota International, the Association for Humanistic Counseling, the Ohio Counseling Association, and the North Central Association for Counselor Education and Supervision; she is a past ACA Midwest Region Chair; and she is a current member of the American Counseling Association’s governing council.  

Rachel O’Neill, Ph.D, MBA  is a licensed clinical mental health counselor who has over 20 years of experience in the mental health profession. She has over 15 years experience in higher education, serving on the faculty for several graduate-level clinical mental health counseling programs. As a practicing therapist, Dr. O’Neill has worked in a variety of clinical settings, including community-based mental health and addictions treatment, psychiatric hospitals, college counseling settings, and inpatient facilities. She has served in multiple leadership positions, including vice president of clinical services at a global telehealth company, director of a primary medical care and behavioral health organization, and executive director of a state counseling association. Dr. O’Neill’s academic work has been featured in peer-reviewed publications such as The Journal of Mental Health Counseling, The Clinical Supervisor, The Journal of LGBT & Youth, and the Journal of Creativity and Mental Health. She is an expert contributor to national publications and media, including NBC News, HBO, Teen Vogue, Cosmopolitan, Wired, Refinery 29, Cheddar News, Time magazine, and Allure. She currently works as a mental health expert in the technology industry. 

Motivational Interviewing and non-suicidal self-injury

Victoria Kress and Rachel O’Neill explore non-suicidal self-injury (NSSI) and the contribution Motivational Interviewing can make to compassionate, collaborative conversations. They discuss understanding the function of self-injury, responding without judgement and helping people explore their own reasons for change.

The conversation highlights the importance of autonomy, careful listening and avoiding responses that increase shame or disconnection. These relational principles connect with Acceptance, Compassion and Reflective Listening.

In this episode

        0:00 – Opening and episode preview 

        5:00 – Victoria’s and Rachel’s early MI stories

      13:45 – Non-suicidal self-injury (NSSI)

      18:45 – Engaging effectively with people who exhibit NSSI

      20:55 – Understanding a person’s NSSI and assessment of suicide risk           

      23:30 – Reframing “attention seeking” as an effort to connect

      27:20 – The clinician’s experience of working with someone who exhibits NSSI      

      31:00 – How MI fits in conversations with people who exhibit NSSI

      37:45 – Harm reduction and safety planning

      44:50 – Blending MI with narrative therapy 

      47:10 – Pre-session intention setting for clinicians

      53:45 – Change talk

      58:30 – Going beyond behavior change

      62:40 – Walking more and “childism”

   1:07:56 – End of recording 

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  • Reference to article on MI for NSSI:
    • Kress, V.E., & Hoffman, R.M. (2008). Non-suicidal self-injury and motivational interviewing: Enhancing readiness for change. Journal of Mental Health Counseling, 30, 311-329.
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Ep 71 – MI and Harm Reduction15 Sep 202301:10:06

MI and Harm Reduction

Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Dr. Kasey Claborn to the podcast to discuss her work on MI and harm reduction. Dr. Claborn is a licensed clinical psychologist and assistant professor of Social Work and Psychiatry at The University of Texas at Austin. She is the Steve Hicks Fellow of Addiction and Recovery Services and Director for the Addictions Research Institute. Dr. Claborn is the Principal Investigator for several projects funded by the National Institutes of Health, the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, and the Health Resources and Services Administration. To date, she has received over $14.3 million dollars in external funding for her research. Dr. Claborn’s research focuses on improving the addiction system of care through community based participatory research methods and system science. She has expertise in designing and building digital technologies to improve care coordination and community overdose prevention efforts. In 2021, Dr. Claborn received an international award from Google for her work in building innovative technologies for social impact. Dr. Claborn’s current work seeks to use innovative methods to combine traditional and non-traditional overdose surveillance methods to inform data-driven community response.

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Motivational Interviewing and harm reduction

Kasey Claborn explores Motivational Interviewing and harm reduction, including community outreach, overdose prevention and the practical realities of supporting people who use substances. She considers harm reduction and abstinence as part of a continuum rather than competing approaches.

The discussion examines training harm-reduction workers in MI, peer support, barriers to services and how MI may need to adapt to this context. The emphasis on respecting people’s choices connects with Empowerment, Partnership and Compassion.

In this episode

00:00 – Opening and episode preview

06:30 – Kasey’s early MI story

09:30 – What is community outreach?

11:10 – Harm reduction: What is it and how has Kasey applied it?

22:30 – HR and abstinence as part of a continuum

31:00 – Training HR workers in MI

35:15 – HR and peer support

37:30 – Barriers to HR and ways to overcome

49:00 – Adaptation of MI for HR

61:00 – Political aspects of HR

70:06 – End of episode

Contact information:

X (Twitter) – kaseyclabornphd 

Email – kasey.claborn@austin.utexas.edu

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Ep 70 – MI in the Treatment of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder28 Aug 202301:17:58

MI in the Treatment of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder

Glenn and Seb welcomed Dr. Jim Carter to the podcast to discuss his work applying MI to the treatment of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD). Jim enjoys providing clinical services, consultation, and staff training focused on integrating MI and Cognitive Behavioral Therapies.  He has been a licensed clinical psychologist since 1999 and is currently a member of Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers, a diplomate for the Academy of Cognitive Behavior Therapy, and a certified behavior therapist by the International OCD Foundation Behavior Therapy Training Institute.  Dr. Carter recently founded a specialized online clinic called OCD123 that is available to persons residing in California seeking integrated evidence-based therapies. 

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Motivational Interviewing in the treatment of OCD

Jim Carter explores the use of Motivational Interviewing in the treatment of obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD), including its integration with cognitive behavioural approaches. He explains OCD, considers how practitioners can help when people feel stuck and discusses the use of collaborative behavioural experiments.

The episode includes a role play involving a new father experiencing fears of contamination, followed by a detailed debrief. The conversation highlights autonomy, collaboration and careful listening alongside evidence-based OCD treatment. Related topics include Partnership, Empowerment and Reflective Listening.

In this episode

00:00 – Opening and episode preview

05:15 – Jim’s early MI story

14:45 – What is Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD)?

26:10 – How to help people with OCD 

32:00 – Using “experiments” 

40:15 – How our minds work and alternatives for when we get stuck

51:00 – Role play – Helping a new father with fears of contamination 

62:30 – Role play debrief

73:30 – Closing comments

77:57 – End of episode

Contact information:

Website and contact: www.ocd123.us

International OCD Foundation: https://iocdf.org/

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Ep 69 – Coding MI for Learning and Research15 May 202301:03:02
Coding MI

Denise Ernst, Ph.D. join Glenn & Sebastian to discuss the importance of coding in MI research and teaching. Denise is a psychologist and MI trainer and consultant. She is part of the research team that developed the Motivational Interviewing Skill Code (MISC) and the Motivational Interviewing Treatment Integrity Coding system. (MITI). She is an adjunct professor at the Portland State School of Social Work. Denise leads an international team of coders that provides MI coding for the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers, research and implementation efforts, and practitioner skill development.

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Coding Motivational Interviewing for learning and research

Denise Ernst explores the role of coding Motivational Interviewing in research, training and practitioner development. As part of the teams behind the MISC and MITI coding systems, she explains how structured observation can help researchers assess treatment integrity and help practitioners notice what is happening in their MI conversations.

The discussion covers sustain talk, reflections, open and closed questions, affirmations, voice intonation and what new learners can begin paying attention to. These themes connect with Reflective Listening, Open Questions and Affirmations.

In this episode

00:00 – Opening and episode preview

04:23 – Denise’s early MI story

08:00 – Nurturing the development of MI 

12:30 – Why is coding important?

19:50 – The MITI: Treatment integrity and learning enrichment 

26:20 – Softening sustain talk

29:10 – What to start paying attention to as a new learner 

34:00 – What have we learned about MI because of the MITI?

39:50 – Coding with audio vs a transcript

43:00 – Voice intonation when using reflections

45:30 – Open vs closed questions and the importance of what a question is asking for 

49:10 – Simple and complex affirmations

58:30 – Denise’s retirement and passing the MITI on  

63:01 – End of episode

Contact information:

Website: www.deniseernst.com

MITI: https://casaa.unm.edu/download/miti4_2.pdf 

Book: https://www.apa.org/pubs/books/deliberate-practice-motivational-interviewing 

Meta-analysis mentioned in episode: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6310665/ 

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Ep 68 – Executive Functioning & MI25 Apr 202301:00:26
Executive Functioning & MI

In this episode Glenn and Sebastian discuss executive functioning and MI with Tamara Hamilton, LCSW, CMBT. Tamara is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker with more than thirty years of experience in behavioral health. For the past ten years, she has been at Cliff Valley School, a pre-K through 8 progressive independent school in Atlanta, Georgia, USA, where she serves on the administration team as school counselor and director of the Cliff Valley Institute. She has focused on issues impacting the well-being of children with a particular emphasis on integrating social/emotional learning into academic curricula. Tamara earned her Master’s Degree from the Indiana University School of Social Work, and she holds a graduate certificate in Mind, Brain, and Teaching from the School of Education at Johns Hopkins University. Tamara is a frequent consultant and invited speaker regarding various topics related to child development. Her presentation style is informative, warm, and  relatable as she combines her training in neuro-learning, clinical professional experience, and personal stories as a mother of three. 

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Executive functioning and Motivational Interviewing

Tamara Hamilton explores executive functioning and Motivational Interviewing, with particular attention to children, families and coaching. She explains executive functions and considers how emotional climate, context and individual differences affect learning, planning and behaviour change.

The conversation explores applying MI to executive-function coaching, working collaboratively with parents and shifting from labels towards the more useful question, “What do you need?” These themes connect with Motivational Interviewing in Education, Partnership and Empowerment.

In this episode

00:00 – Opening and episode preview

04:10 – Tamara’s early MI story

08:25 – What are Executive Functions (EF)?

14:20 – “Learning is changing”

20:40 – Tamara’s journey as a mother of a child with autism

28:00 – “Setting the emotional climate” when working with children and families

30:30 – Applying MI to EF coaching 

41:30 – Parallels when working with parents

46:00 – EF skills in context

50:00 – From labels to “What do you need?”

57:15 – Preparing for this summer’s Cliff Valley Institute 

60:25 – End of episode

Contact information:

Email: thamilton@cliffvalley.org 

Website: https://www.cliffvalleyinstitute.org/ 

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Ep 67 – MI within the Social Context05 Apr 202301:06:39

MI within the social context

Glenn and Seb were delighted to have Dr. Paul Earnshaw on the podcast to discuss MI within the social context. Paul is an independent Researcher, Senior Psychological Therapist and Motivational interviewing trainer. He is a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT). He has over 18 years of experience in training multi-disciplinary health and social care staff in the UK and internationally in Motivational Interviewing, across a range of mental and physical health services. Paul has extensive clinical and research experience in a range of NHS Mental Health Services. His research Interests and writing include, the integration of MI and CBT (Atkinson and Earnshaw, 2019), MI Theory (Earnshaw, 2021), COVID-19 (in press), MI Implementation in Organisations (Atkinson and Earnshaw, 2022).

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Motivational Interviewing within the social context

Paul Earnshaw explores Motivational Interviewing within the wider social context. The conversation looks beyond an individual “problem behaviour” to consider relationships, environment, inequality and the circumstances that influence people’s choices and opportunities for change.

Paul also discusses integrating MI with Cognitive Behavioural Therapy, the therapeutic relationship and the role of social empathy in creating safety. These themes connect with Partnership, Compassion and the Spirit of Motivational Interviewing.

In this episode

00:00 – Opening and episode preview

05:22 – Paul’s early MI story

07:45 – Integration of MI and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT)

22:40 – The therapeutic relationship

29:00 – Widening the lens beyond a “problem behavior”

38:00 – Creating safety through social empathy

52:40 – Influences on Paul’s early thinking

60:00 – Paul’s many interests including MI/CBT integration and contact tracing 

66:38 – End of episode

Contact information:

Email: pgearnshaw@gmail.com 

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Ep 66 – Neurodiversity & MI13 Mar 202301:11:56

Neurodiversity & MI

Glenn and Seb were honoured to have Deb Solomon on the podcast to discuss neurodiversity. Deb is a social worker in Adult Care, and a Practice Development Lead. Following a surprise diagnosis of ADHD in 2020 she went on to set up and chair the first UK group for neurodivergent social workers through the British Association Of Social Workers (BASW) after recognising the lack of knowledge and support in the profession. Deb is also the Vice Chair of BASW Equality, Diversity and Inclusion Advisory Group and has recently set up the Neurodiversity Network for her local authority. Deb presents workshops on neurodiversity, executive functioning and is passionate about ensuring anyone who thinks differently is safe to be their whole selves, celebrating strengths as well as promoting acceptance for all neurotypes.

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Neurodiversity and Motivational Interviewing

Deb Solomon explores neurodiversity and Motivational Interviewing, drawing on her professional experience in social work and her lived experience of ADHD. She discusses what MI practitioners may need to understand when working with neurodivergent people, including executive functioning, communication and the importance of creating conversations in which people feel safe to be themselves.

The episode also considers ambivalence, strengths, acceptance and moving beyond labels towards understanding what an individual needs. These themes connect with Acceptance, Partnership and Empowerment.

In this episode

   00:00 – Opening and episode preview

   07:25 – Deb’s introduction and early story

   10:08 – Gender differences in ADHD

   14:26 – What changed for Deb after receiving the ADHD diagnosis 

   20:30 – What an MI practitioner should know when working with clients who are neurodiverse

   34:10 – Deb’s emotional and cognitive experiences as someone with ADHD

   40:40 – Ambivalence and the executive functions 

   56:25 – “I have to get it (a thought) out”

1:02:16 – What’s helped Deb that might help others

1:06:25 – Media attention towards neurodiversity

1:11:55 – End of episode

Contact information:

Twitter: @ND_SWgroup 

Email: deb.solomon@basw.co.uk

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Ep 65 – Storytelling In Teaching & Learning MI27 Feb 202301:10:33

Storytelling In Teaching & Learning MI

Glenn and Sebastian warmly welcomed Steven Malcolm Berg-Smith to the podcast for a discussion on the use of Storytelling In Teaching & Learning MI. For over 30 years, Steve has worked as a behavior change counselor, health educator, drug & alcohol prevention specialist, and researcher.  He currently has a private practice in the San Francisco Bay Area as a certified motivational interviewing (MI) trainer, consultant, coach & mentor.

A member of the International Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) since 1994, Steve has conducted over 1200 MI workshops and presentations throughout the US and internationally.  He has served as a “trainer of trainers” for MINT and collaborated in the design of MI-inspired behavior change intervention protocols for numerous national clinical research trials.  He has authored a manual on the “The Art of Teaching Motivational Interviewing,” along with several frequently cited articles on how to use motivation-enhancing tools and strategies to support adolescents and adults in making positive lifestyle changes.

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Storytelling in Motivational Interviewing training

Steven Malcolm Berg-Smith explores storytelling in the teaching and learning of Motivational Interviewing. Drawing on decades of MI training, he discusses how stories, metaphors and cliffhangers can make learning memorable while helping practitioners connect MI principles with real conversations.

The episode also explores moving from interrogating to evoking, working with people who may not yet see a reason for change and understanding ambivalence without relying on labels. These themes connect with Open Questions, Empowerment and Developing and Implementing MI.

In this episode

00:00 – Opening and episode preview

04:18 – Steve’s early MI story: From interrogating to evoking

14:55 – Steve meets Bill Miller in a role play

27:00 – Steve’s wife encourages him to tell stories

35:30 – The use of cliffhangers in training

46:00 – How to work with someone who is in “pre-contemplation”

54:20 – Can ambivalence be resolved: “The chick that chews”

67:45 – Looking towards retirement

70:32 – End of episode

Contact information:

Website: www.berg-smithtraining.com 

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Ep 64 – Common Questions about MI10 Jan 202301:20:56

Common Questions about MI

Glenn and Sebastian were excited to welcome David B. Rosengren, Ph.D., for a return appearance to answer some common questions we receive in trainings. David is president & CEO of Prevention Research Institute (PRI), member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT), International Positive Psychology Association (IPPA), and Society for Implementation Research Collaboration (SIRC), as well as a Certified MINT Trainer. 

David, is a clinical psychologist with a background in treatment, research, training, and administration. Previously, he was a research scientist and consultant at the University of Washington’s Alcohol and Drug Abuse Institute, practicing psychologist in a variety of clinical settings, and Motivational Interviewing (MI) consultant and trainer.  David completed the initial training for new trainers course offered by Miller and Rollnick in 1993 and was a founding member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers.  In addition to Building Motivational Interviewing Skills: A Practitioner Workbook, he has written journal articles and book chapters on addictions, MI, the change process, treatment and prevention.  His most recent focus is on the role positive psychology can play in building resilience, as well as enhancing intervention and treatment effects, cognitive processes in learning, use of technology in training, and building, maintaining, and refining practitioner skills.  His current research focus is implementation science in the integration of evidence-based practices across systems.

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Common questions about Motivational Interviewing

David Rosengren returns to answer practical questions that frequently arise when people learn and use Motivational Interviewing. The discussion explores why listening helps, the use of MI with younger people, what distinguishes MI from other therapeutic conversations and how practitioners continue developing their skills.

Rather than reducing MI to a collection of techniques, David connects these questions with the relational and technical elements of effective practice. Related Knowledge Centre topics include Reflective Listening, the Spirit of Motivational Interviewing and Developing and Implementing MI.

In this episode

   00:00 – Introduction

   03:20 – Welcoming David back to the podcast: What’s David been up to?

   06:35 – Question 1: Why does listening help? 

   14:40 – Question 2: How young can a client be to benefit from MI?

   23:35 – Question 3: How is what you (therapist) do different than what anyone else (different therapist, friend/mate) does?

   28:25 – Question 4: Should MI practitioners work to be powerful influencers of behavior?

   35:30 – Question 5: My clients are more difficult than yours. How would MI work with them?

   45:47 – Question 6: What if people think you are not being genuine with affirmations? How do you stop them from feeling patronized?

   51:40 – Question 7: How are affirmations and compliments different? 

   58:20 – Question 8: What’s the best way to learn MI?

1:07:45 – Question 9: How am I supposed to do MI when I don’t have enough time? 

1:18:25 – David looking forward to being a grandfather!

1:20:56 – End of episode

Links and contact information:

Email: David.rosengren@primeforlife.org

Website: www.primeforlife.org  

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-rosengren-pri/

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Ep 63 – Therapeutic Humor Part II20 Dec 202201:11:31

Therapeutic Humor – Part II

Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Mallori DeSalle, MA, LMHC, NCC, CMHC, MATS, CPS, CHP and Lodge McCammon, PhD on the podcast to discuss therapeutic humor (Listen to episode 21 with Mallori for part I on this topic). Mallori is a licensed mental health counselor, an internationally certified prevention specialist, motivational interviewing trainer and a certified humor professional. As a speaker and trainer, she has sparked curiosity in both the young and young-at-heart. Her passion for creating a lasting impact led her to the public health field and for the past 15 years she has worked at Prevention Insights, a center within the School of Public Health at Indiana University, Bloomington.  Mallori works with people all over the world. She served on the Board of Directors for the Association for Applied and Therapeutic Humor and in 2021 became a TEDx speaker. Her credentials don’t impress her family, but occasionally her corny jokes do make them laugh. 

Dr. Lodge McCammon is a therapeutic humorist, instructional designer, author, musician, and international education consultant who provides professional services, including keynote speeches, workshops, curriculum development, and a variety of training programs. He works with school districts, universities, nonprofits, and businesses (e.g., Palm Beach Schools, University of the West Indies, Discovery Education, Microsoft, Amazon, The Coca-Cola Company). Most recently, Lodge facilitated a month of therapeutic humor for the Nourished Teachers Community, which is a Facebook-funded initiative focused on helping educators cope with work stress and avoid burnout. He uses a program that he designed called “Laugh It Off!” to help his clients transform their daily frustrations into humor.

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Therapeutic humour and Motivational Interviewing

Mallori DeSalle and Lodge McCammon return to explore therapeutic humour and its thoughtful use in helping relationships. They consider how humour can support connection, perspective and wellbeing, while recognising that timing, relationship and the other person’s experience matter.

The conversation examines humour as a relational tool rather than a technique to impose on someone. Used with sensitivity, it can sit alongside curiosity, compassion and genuine listening. These themes connect with Partnership, Compassion and the Spirit of Motivational Interviewing.

In this episode

   00:00 – Introduction and episode preview

   03:39 – Lodge’s introduction and how he and Mallori came to work together 

   09:00 – Evoking with humor

   13:00 – What is humor?

   17:00 – An invitation to see a situation in a new way

   26:00 – Absurdity training

   28:10 – Renaming exercise

   34:45 – Finding the absurd from an expected response

   40:52 – “I am now ___ years old”

   48:25 – The portability of therapeutic humor

   54:40 – How to introduce a humorous intervention with permission

1:01:10 – Future trainings and applying therapeutic humor with couples 

1:05:20 – Seb’s story applying therapeutic humor in group therapy with adolescents 

1:11.21 – End of episode

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Mallori

Website: www.malloridesalle.com 

Email: malloridesalle@gmail.com

Lodge

Website: www.lodgemccammon.com

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Ep 62 – Transtheoretical Model Stages of Change & MI28 Nov 202201:16:58
Transtheoretical Model Cycle of Change & MI

Glenn and Sebastian were excited to have Mary Marden Velasquez, PhD, on the podcast to discuss the Transtheoretical Model, including the Stages of Change. Dr. Velasquez is Centennial Professor in Leadership for Community, Professional and Corporate Excellence, Director of the Health Behavior Research and Training Institute (HBRT), and former Associate Dean for Research (2006-2013) at The University of Texas at Austin Steve Hicks School of Social Work. She also holds appointments in the Department of Population Health and Psychiatry at UT-Austin’s Dell Medical School. Prior to moving to UT-Austin to become Associate Dean for Research, Dr. Velasquez served on the research faculty in the Psychology Department at the University of Houston and as tenured faculty and Director of Research in Family and Community Medicine at the UT McGovern Medical School in Houston. Her program of research focuses on the development and implementation of interventions using the Transtheoretical Model and Motivational Interviewing. With over 30 years of continued support from the National Institutes of Health and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Dr. Velasquez has developed and studied behavioral interventions in the areas of integrated primary care, screening and brief interventions, fetal alcohol spectrum disorder, alcohol and other drug abuse, prenatal health, HIV prevention, and smoking cessation. A current emphasis is on teaching graduate students and health professionals to work in interdisciplinary teams and to use brief motivational interventions in medical settings.

Dr. Velasquez recently completed a four-year term as a study section member on the NIH-Center for Scientific Review “Interventions to Prevent and Treat Addictions” (IPTA). She is an internationally recognized trainer in the Transtheoretical Model and Motivational Interviewing and is a member of the international Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers

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Stages of Change and Motivational Interviewing

Mary Marden Velasquez explores the Transtheoretical Model, commonly associated with the Stages of Change, and its relationship with Motivational Interviewing. The episode distinguishes two influential approaches to understanding behaviour change and considers how practitioners can use them without assuming that people move through change in a simple linear sequence.

The discussion connects theory with brief motivational interventions and healthcare practice. It also helps clarify a common misconception: the Stages of Change model and MI developed separately, although practitioners often use them alongside one another. Related topics include Change Talk, Sustain Talk and Motivational Interviewing in Healthcare.

In this episode

   00:00 – Introduction and episode preview

   05:37 – Mary’s early TTM and MI story

   17:50 – The 10 Processes of Change

   21:21 – Experiential Process #1: Consciousness raising

   24:08 – Experiential Process #2: Emotional arousal

   26:21 – Experiential Process #3: Self-evaluation

   28:57 – Experiential Process #4: Environmental re-evaluation

   30:52 – Experiential Process #5: Social liberation

   33:31 – The Stages of Change

   39:35 – Experiential processes linked to long-term change 

   47:25 – Behavioral Process #1: Stimulus control

   48:13 – Behavioral Process #2: Counter conditioning 

   49:23 – Behavioral Process #3: Reinforcement management

   51:01 – Behavioral Process #4: Self-liberation

   52:09 – Behavioral Process #5: Helping relationships

   55:05 – Applying the model flexibly 

1:00:35 – The stages of change and MI: The “kissing cousins”

1:02:25 – Decisional balance and self-efficacy

1:10:43 – Temptation 

1:12:25 – Spending time with giants in the field

1:16:57 – End of episode

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Study cited in episode: 

Stotts AL, DiClemente CC, Carbonari JP, Mullen PD. Pregnancy smoking cessation: a case of mistaken identity. Addict Behav. 1996 Jul-Aug;21(4):459-71. doi: 10.1016/0306-4603(95)00082-8. PMID: 8830904. 

Book cited in episode: https://www.guilford.com/books/Group-Treatment-for-Substance-Abuse/Velasquez-Crouch-Stephens-DiClemente/9781462523405

Health Behavior and Training Institute: 

https://sites.utexas.edu/hbrt/ 

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Ep 61 – Motivational Interviewing & Grief04 Nov 202201:11:16

Motivational Interviewing & Grief

Dr. M. Katherine Shear is the Marion E. Kenworthy Professor of Psychiatry and the founding Director of the Center for Prolonged Grief at Columbia University School of Social Work. Dr. Shear is a clinical researcher who first worked in anxiety and depression. For the past 25 years, she has focused on understanding and treating people who experience persistent, intense grief, which is now an official diagnosis called Prolonged Grief Disorder in the ICD-11 and DSM-5. She developed and tested Complicated Grief Therapy/Prolonged Grief Disorder Therapy, a short-term, strength-based intervention that helps foster adaptation to loss and confirmed its efficacy in three large NIMH-funded studies.

Dr. Shear is widely recognized for her work in bereavement, including both research and clinical awards from the Association for Death Education and Counseling and invited authorship of articles for Uptodate and the New England Journal of Medicine. Her work includes more than 330 peer-reviewed publications. She’s developed several widely used assessment instruments and a PGDT instruction manual.

Dr. Shear received a BS in biology with honors from the University of Chicago and an MD from Tufts University Medical School. She completed residencies in Internal Medicine and Psychiatry and a psychosomatic fellowship before beginning her clinical research career.

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Motivational Interviewing and grief

Katherine Shear explores grief, adaptation after loss and the role Motivational Interviewing can play in compassionate conversations with people experiencing bereavement. She discusses why grief changes over time, what people lose when someone important dies and the healing milestones that can support adaptation.

The episode also considers practitioner self-care, self-compassion and differences between sudden and expected loss. These themes connect with Compassion, Acceptance and Reflective Listening.

In this episode

   00:00 – Introduction and episode preview

   04:40 – Dr. Shear’s early MI story

   12:00 – What is grief? Why do we experience it? Why does it change over time?          

   17:17 – What are we losing when a loved one dies?

   26:18 – Adaptation after loss

   32:15 – The six healing milestones

   56:45 – The experience of the practitioner: Self-care and self-compassion

1:02:30 – Sudden vs. expected loss

1:07:08 – Dr. Shear’s work around grief in the African-American community 

1:11:16 – End of episode

Links and contact information:

Websites: 

https://prolongedgrief.columbia.edu/ 

https://hospicefoundation.ie/

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Ep 60 – Training MI Across Cultures03 Oct 202201:34:47

Training MI Across Cultures

Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Rik Bes on the podcast to discuss his work training MI across cultures. Rik has a background in social work and criminal law. He is co-founder – with Prof. Stephen Rollnick; currently semi-retired – of the not-for-private-profit foundation Centre for Motivation and Change, which was established in 1997. This centre works on a national and international level to bring motivational interviewing (MI) to many different areas (medical and non-medical), settings, cultures and countries around the globe. He has led the development of many online, offline and hybrid MI learning programmes, supporting healthcare professionals from a variety of specialities to have more effective and more patient-centred consultations with their patients

He is a member of MINT (Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers) since 1995 and contributed to the development of this organisation in the role of board member 2002 – 2008 and senior advisor (Director Emeritus, 2008 – 2014) to the Board of Directors of MINT Inc. 

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Training Motivational Interviewing across cultures

Rik Bes explores what trainers need to consider when taking Motivational Interviewing across different cultures, countries and professional settings. Drawing on decades of international experience, he discusses adapting examples and metaphors while retaining MI’s person-centred and collaborative foundations.

The conversation highlights co-training, seeking feedback, cultural responsiveness and the development of online, face-to-face and hybrid learning programmes. These themes connect with Partnership, Acceptance and Developing and Implementing MI.

In this episode

   00:00 – Introduction and episode preview

   05:27 – Rik’s early MI story

   13:45 – Bringing client-centeredness to addiction services in The Netherlands

   25:30 – Broadening the cultural scope

   39:30 – Adaptations and metaphors from the Middle East to New Zealand

1:12:00 – The importance of co-training and seeking feedback

1:24:00 – Developing hybrid training programs

1:34:46 – End of episode

Links and contact information:

Twitter: rikbes@me.com  

LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/rik-bes-56478121

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Ep 59 – Lessons From The Lab: The Gifts of MI19 Sep 202201:06:04

Lessons from the Lab: The Gifts of MI

Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Dr. Molly Magill for another edition of Lessons from the Lab, where she discusses her research and what she refers to as the Gifts of MI. Dr. Magill is currently an Associate Research Professor in the Department of Behavioral and Social Sciences in the Brown University School of Public Health. Dr. Magill is also the Director of Biostatistics at the Brown University Center for Alcohol and Addiction Studies. Dr. Magill’s broad area of study is mechanisms of behavior change in psychosocial treatment for alcohol and other drug use disorders.  The goal of this work is to guide intervention development and refinement.  In her most recent research, she is focused on therapist or counselor training methods that are based on common factors of established behavioral interventions. 

How Motivational Interviewing works

Molly Magill explores research into how Motivational Interviewing works and what process studies can teach us about effective helping conversations. She discusses the search for the mechanisms or “engine” of MI and reflects on findings about therapist behaviour, client language and therapeutic relationships.

Molly describes three gifts of MI: being kind, being present and investing in therapist training. The discussion connects research evidence with everyday practice and practitioner development. These themes connect with Change Talk, the Spirit of Motivational Interviewing and Developing and Implementing MI.

In this episode

   00:00 – Introduction and episode preview

   04:35 – Molly’s introduction and early MI story

   12:05 – MI as a “revolutionary approach”

   19:10 – Molly’s interest in therapy manuals and her search for an integrative model

   24:10 – Why we search for the “engine”’

   30:15 – Process research and the hypotheses for why MI works

   40:20 – Important findings from MI process research

  54: 30 – The three gifts of MI: 1) Be nice; 2) Be present; and 3) Therapist training

1:00:35 – Molly sharing a personal story 

1:06:03 – End of episode

Links and contact information:

Email: molly_magill@brown.edu

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Ep 58 – MI and the Māori Culture30 Aug 202201:07:56

MI and the Māori Culture

Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Tipene Pickett on to discuss the Māori Culture from New Zealand and its relationship in the practice and teaching of Motivational inetrveiwng. Here is his bio:

Nga Ngaru a Te Huki te Maunga – The waves of Te Huki is my Mountain

Waihua te Awa – Waihua is my River 

Kahungunu te Iwi – Kahungunu is my tribe

Kurahikakawa te Hapu – Kurahikakawa is my Sub-tribe

Waihua te Marae – Waihua is my Marae

Ko Tipene Pickett toku ingoa – Tipene Pickett is my name

Post Grad Cert Health Sciences, BA psych & Anthro., Member of Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) since 2013.

I have been an alcohol and drug since 1998 in a number of Governmental, NGO and Kaupapa Māori settings.  A practitioner of Motivational Interviewing (MI) for the past 20 years and an MI trainer of trainers since 2013.  

I’m currently self employed since 2019 and employed as a trainer for several Government District Health Boards as well as Non Government Organisations as a trainer for upskilling people in a variety of roles and across a number of disciplines including – Clinical Psychologists, Psychiatrists, Social Workers, Alcohol and Drug Clinicians. Peer Support Workers as well as Cultural Consultants.  This also includes strategic planning and implementation to embed MI into the infrastructure of organizations in order to achieve a sustainable culture of ongoing evaluation and upskilling to maintain MI practitioners proficiency.

I provide a wide spectrum of MI training including  MI with groups, coaching as well as training in the use of the Motivational Interviewing Treatment Integrity (MITI) & Video Assessment of Simulated Encounters (VASE-R NZ).  

My special interest is in the relationship between MI and indigenous knowledge and wisdom.  To that end I’ve had the privilege of developing a framework for framing the journey of MI within the context of the Maori language (Te Reo) and practices (Tikanga) as well as contemporary Maori models of health as well as use of traditional Pūrakau (narratives of origin) of enhancing wellbeing.

As a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers means I’m part of a global community of people who share a similar vision of change and scrutiny of professional practice in order to be the most effective clinicians we can be by embracing the way of being MI offers

He manu e kai ana i te miro, nōnā to ngahere. He manu e kai ana i te matauranga, nōnā to ao.

A bird who feeds of the miro berry, theirs is the forest.  A bird who feeds on knowledge, theirs is the world.

 

Motivational Interviewing and Māori culture

Tipene Pickett explores Motivational Interviewing through the context of Māori culture in Aotearoa New Zealand. He considers how culture, identity, relationships and local ways of understanding wellbeing can shape both the practice and teaching of MI.

The episode highlights the importance of adapting training without losing the relational foundations of Motivational Interviewing, and of approaching cultural knowledge with humility rather than assuming one model fits every community. These themes connect with Partnership, Acceptance and the Spirit of Motivational Interviewing.

In this episode

   00:00 – Introduction and episode preview

   04:48 – Tipene’s introduction, early MI story, and his discovery of his own culture

   14:45 – The experience of confrontation and learning about what’s more helpful 

   19:00 – Discovering what’s within you and who you are

   26:30 – Engagement, self-disclosure, and narratives of origin

   48:30 – Confidence rulers

1:01:30 – How might language change our physiology? 

1:07:55 – End of episode

Glossary of Māori terms used in this episode:

Pepeha a description of tribal identity that includes: 

  • Maunga – mountain
  • Awa – river
  • Hapuu – kinship group with common ancesto
  • Iwi – collection of hapuu with common ancestral canoe
  • Ka maa te ariki, ka maa te tauira – as we have chiefs, we are students
  • Mauri – Life principle and individual uniqueness
  • Mana – One’s sphere of influence and personal power
  • Tapu – 1./ origins of universe inscribed within you.  2./ state of constriction
  • Karakia – command to influence elemental energies toward a specific purpose i.e.creating safety, increasing energy of objectivity and openness and so on
  • Mihimihi – process of acknowledgements on one’s mana, tapu, connections to others, environment and purpose
  • Whaanaungatanga – process of establishing connections be sharing one’s pepeha, potentially creating ancestral connections as well as locating someone in a certain area of NZ.  Create sense of belonging.
  • Whaanaunga – extended relation
  • Waiata – song
  • Kia tau te rangimarie – be settled with the vibration of peace
  • Puurakau – narrative of origin (literally the ‘universal origins in the sound of the story of the tree’)
  • Tikanga – a right way of doing things. 7 protected knowledge 
  • Whakapapa – Ancestral connections tracing their origins to the earth mother

Links and contact information:

Email: tipenepickett007@gmail.com 

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Ep 57 – Motivational Interviewing & Discord14 Jun 202201:22:14
Motivational Interviewing & Discord

Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Stephen R. Andrew LCSW, LADC, CCS to the podcast to discuss discord and many other topics. Stephen is a storyteller, trainer, therapist, author and the  CEO (Chief Energizing Officer) of Health Education & Training Institute. (www.hetimaine.org). He maintains a compassion-focused private practice in Portland, Maine USA where he also facilitates a variety of men’s, women’s, co-ed, and caregiver groups. Stephen has had significant experience working with people suffering with addiction, mental illness and training staff within the Department of Mental Health.

He is the co-founder of  Agape, Inc. which supports the Men’s Resource Center of Southern Maine whose mission is to support boys, men and fathers and oppose violence and Dignity for People Using Opiates, a radical movement to change the conditions precipitating the opiate epidemic in our communities.  

Stephen has been a member of the International Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) since 2003 and became a Certified MINT Trainer in 2019. He has been a MIA-STEP trainer (Motivational Interviewing Assessment; Supervisor Training Program) for the New England ATTC since 2007. Stephen provides coaching and training domestically and internationally (Singapore, Iceland, China, Canada, Holland, Sweden, Poland, Turkey & UK) for social service agencies, health-care providers, substance abuse counselors, recovery coach specialists, criminal justice, vocational rehabilitation, and other groups on motivational interviewing, addiction, co-occurring disorders, counseling theory, “challenging” adolescents, supervision and ethics for care professionals, men’s work and the power of group work, as well as supervising a coding/coaching laboratory and simulation lab and training for Motivational Interviewing.  

Stephen is the proud father of Sebastian, and co-author of  Game Plan: A Man’s Guide to Achieving Emotional Fitness.

Discord in Motivational Interviewing

Stephen Andrew explores discord in Motivational Interviewing and what it can tell us about the working relationship. Rather than viewing resistance as a characteristic of the person, MI invites practitioners to notice how the interaction itself may be contributing to tension, defensiveness or disengagement.

The conversation considers compassion, relationship repair and how practitioners can respond when they feel pulled towards argument, persuasion or correction. These themes connect with Discord in Motivational Interviewing, Partnership and the Fixing Reflex.

In this episode

   00:00 – Introduction and episode preview

   06:10 – Stephen’s introduction and early MI story

   08:10 – Distinction between client-centeredness and MI

   10:37 – The “trauma whisperer,” “gentle guesses,” “the whisperer of hopes and  dreams,” and core needs

   16:50 – Discord between the head and the heart

   25:45 – Developing empathy and compassion

   30:40 – Shame 

   35:20 – Creating learning communities

   44:00 – On the horizon – A podcast, a new book, and a new organization called  “Dignity”

   48:40 – Start of real play between Glenn and Stephen

   59:25 – Real play debrief

1:13:42 – End of episode

Links and contact information:

Website: www.hetimaine.org

Podcast: www.hetimaine.org/conversations-in-compassion

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Ep 56 – Motivational Interviewing in Psychiatry02 May 202201:38:14
Motivational Interviewing in Psychiatry

Glenn and Sebastian discuss Motivational Interviewing in Psychiatry with Antoine Douaihy, M.D. Antoine is a Professor of Psychiatry & Medicine at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine. He is the Director of the Addiction Psychiatry Fellowship at Western Psychiatric Hospital and Co-Director of the Tobacco Treatment Service at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. He has a well-established record in conducting multisite clinical trials. His areas of research and clinical expertise are substance use disorders, HIV, motivational interviewing (MI), and psychology of behaviour change. Dr. Douaihy has received 20 awards for outstanding achievement in educating medical students and psychiatry residents and has been a champion in the implementation and dissemination of evidence-based practices across healthcare settings, particularly MI. 

Motivational Interviewing in psychiatry

Antoine Douaihy explores the opportunities and challenges of integrating Motivational Interviewing into psychiatric practice. The conversation considers how MI can support respectful conversations about substance use, mental health and behaviour change while helping practitioners avoid stigmatising language and remain attentive to the person behind the diagnosis.

Antoine also discusses recognising the limits of helpfulness, reconnecting with what matters and teaching future psychiatrists to listen differently. These themes connect with Acceptance, Compassion and Reflective Listening.

In this episode

   00:00 – Introduction and episode preview

   06:31 – Antoine’s introduction and early MI story

   20:45 – The challenge of integrating MI into the practice of psychiatry

   30:45 – “Catching the attention” of future psychiatrists

   39:00 – Avoiding the use of stigmatizing language in psychiatry 

   51:10 – Seeking balance and recognizing the limits of helpfulness

   59:00 – Reconnecting with what matters 

1:06:45 – Start of role play

1:26:12 – Role play debrief

1:38:36 – End of episode

Links and contact information:

Email: douaihya@upmc.edu

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Ep 55 – Motivational Interviewing and Acceptance & Commitment Therapy (ACT)11 Apr 202201:52:23

Motivational Interviewing and Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT)

Glenn & Sebastian explore Motivational Interviewing and Acceptance & Commitment Therapy (ACT) with Robyn D. Walser, Ph.D. Robyn is the Director of TL Consultation Services, Assistant Professor at the University of California, Berkeley, and works at the National Center for PTSD. As a licensed psychologist, she maintains an international training, consulting and therapy practice. Dr. Walser is an expert in Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) and has co-authored 7 books on ACT including a book on learning ACT. She has most recently written a book entitled: The Heart of ACT- Developing a flexible, process-based, and client-centered practice using acceptance and commitment therapy. Dr. Walser has expertise in traumatic stress, depression and substance abuse and has authored a number of articles, chapters and books on these topics. She has been doing ACT workshops since 1997; training in multiple formats and for multiple client problems. Dr. Walser has been described as a “passionate, creative, and bold ACT trainer and therapist” and she is best known for her dynamic, warm and challenging ACT trainings. She is often referred to as a clinician’s clinician. Her workshops feature a combination of lecture and experiential exercises designed to provide a unique learning opportunity in this state-of-the-art intervention.

Motivational Interviewing and Acceptance and Commitment Therapy

Robyn Walser explores the relationship between Motivational Interviewing and Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT). The conversation considers where the approaches overlap, including their attention to values, autonomy and client-centred practice, while also recognising important differences in their aims and methods.

Robyn discusses psychological flexibility, acceptance, values-based action and how ACT and MI can complement one another in clinical work. These themes connect with Acceptance in Motivational Interviewing, Empowerment and the Spirit of Motivational Interviewing.

In this episode

   00:00 – Introduction and episode preview

   07:23 – Robyn’s early ACT story and experiences with MI 

   12:35 – What is ACT? 

   18:00 – ACT and the MI spirit 

   24:40 – Noticing ambivalence and other human experiences 

   29:00 – Acceptance in ACT: Change through “addition not subtraction”

   35:20 – Creative helplessness

   40:30 – The therapeutic relationship in ACT: Compassion with consequences

   48:15 – The role of language in MI and ACT

   58:45 – A real-play with Robyn and Glenn

1:16:05 – Real-play debrief

1:27:30 – Learning more about ACT through brooks, podcasts, etc…

1:33:00 – More real-play debrief: Robyn’s use of directiveness

1:41:00 – MI in combination with ACT

1:43:40 – “Motivation follows behavior”

1:46:50 – Robyn’s interests in reducing impact of climate change

1:52:22 – End of episode

Links and contact information:

Twitter: @robyn_walser 

Facebook: The heart of ACT

Robyn’s website and contact portal: http://www.tlconsultationservices.com/ 

Association for Contextual Behavioral Science (ACBS) website: https://contextualscience.org/acbs

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Ep 54 – MI in Peer Support Recovery Services 21 Mar 202201:40:50

MI in Peer Support Recovery Services 

We are happy to have had John Burns on to discuss MI in peer support recovery services. John is a person in long term recovery and a family member of a loved one who has struggled with substance use. He is the director of SOS Recovery Community Organization with recovery community centers in Rochester, Dover and Hampton, NH.  John founded Families Hoping and Coping in 2014, a peer-based family support group for family members and loved ones of those struggling with substance use disorder.  Families Hoping and Coping has chapters that meet weekly in Dover and Portsmouth, NH.  He prides himself most on being an outspoken advocate for people who use drugs, building recovery-oriented systems of care, and promoting diversity, equity, inclusion, and justice for those marginalized who often are left without a voice and oppressed due to inhumane global, national and local drug policy.

John is a board member for the NH Harm Reduction Coalition.  He also serves on the NH Drug Overdose Fatality Review Commission and on the executive committee for the Strafford County, New Hampshire Public Health Advisory Committee.  

John became a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers in 2021 and is involved in offering basic and advanced Motivational Interviewing workshops within the peer-recovery support service field several times a year.  He also has completed Motivational Interviewing Competency Assessment (MICA) training and provides coding and coaching services to his staff and recovery support providers across New England in an effort to expand motivational interviewing competency in the peer-assisted recovery service field.

John earned his MBA from Southern NH University and is credentialed as a Certified Recovery Support Worker (CRSW) in NH.  John has helped grow SOS from a $5000 all-volunteer effort in Sept 2016 into a robust program with 20 full-time employees and four recovery community centers.  All of SOS recovery centers recently became registered as syringe service providers in New Hampshire and provide safer injection supplies, safer smoking and safer sex supplies as well as naloxone and overdose prevention programs.  John and SOS have led numerous initiatives including a state-wide criminal justice recovery program and a national collaboration in digital recovery meetings offered 8 times a day, 7 days a week along with family support meetings nightly.

John has been involved in development of several curriculums with SOS including the Art & Science of Peer Assisted Recovery, Ethical Considerations for Peer-Assisted Recovery, Suicide Prevention for Peer-Assisted Recovery, HIV, AIDS and Hepatitis Prevention for Peer Assisted Recovery and more.  He has trained and developed curriculums for over 5 years now and speaks regularly to large audiences across the Northeast.

Motivational Interviewing in peer support recovery services

John Burns explores how Motivational Interviewing fits within peer recovery support, where lived experience, mutuality and respect for autonomy can be central to the helping relationship. He discusses long-term recovery, family support, harm reduction and advocacy for people who use drugs.

The conversation considers how MI can strengthen peer support without turning peers into directive experts, alongside the importance of diversity, inclusion and justice in recovery-oriented systems of care. These themes connect with Partnership, Empowerment and Acceptance in Motivational Interviewing.

In this episode

   00:00 – Introduction and episode preview

   04:30 – John’s introduction and early MI story

   15:30 – Lessons learned from early experiences in recovery

   26:30 – John’s “game changers” after learning client-centered approaches 

   34:00 – How MI helps in peer support settings 

   42:30 – The role of self-disclosure

   48:30 – Integrating peer support services within organizations and working alongside other professions 

   58:30 – Management of a peer recovery support organization 

1:04:00 – Furthering grass roots efforts through social enterprise models and greater access to housing

1:14:22 – Start of role play

1:29:52 – Role play debrief

1:43:14 – End of episode

Links and contact information:

Email: john@sosrco.org

Website: www.sosrco.org

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Ep 53 – Motivational Interviewing for Working with Children & Families07 Mar 202201:18:07

Motivational Interviewing for Working with Children & Families

In this episode exploring Motivational Interviewing in Work with Children & Families, Glenn and Sebastian meet Donald Forrester, Professor of Child and Family Social Work and Director of the CASCADE Centre for Children’s Social Care at Cardiff University in the UK. He has been researching and teaching about Motivational Interviewing in Work with Children & Families, and in particular the complicated nature of child protection conversations, for 20 years. Recently, with long term colleagues David Wilkins and Charlotte Whittaker, he published MI for Working with Children and Families, in which they tried to bring together their learning from this work and make suggestions about using MI in very difficult conversations.

   

Motivational Interviewing with children and families

Donald Forrester explores the use of Motivational Interviewing in child and family social work, including the difficult conversations that arise when practitioners must balance collaboration with responsibilities for a child’s safety. He considers what good social work looks like and how MI can support respectful, purposeful conversations with parents and children.

The episode examines MI spirit, vulnerability, supervision, selective use of MI and practitioner development, with a role play exploring an allegation of child abuse. These themes connect with the Spirit of Motivational Interviewing, Partnership and Acceptance.

In this episode

00:00 – Introduction and episode preview

   05:15 – Donald’s early MI story and lessons from MI research

   12:00 – Shift within children’s social care: From “get on with it” to models of good practice 

   15:45 – What does it mean to be a “good social worker” and how does MI fit? 

   20:00 – Balancing MI spirit with a child’s safety 

   25:00 – Recognizing the needs of the vulnerable parent and the experience of “agape” 

   30:45 – Modeling good care in supervision 

   33:00 – Can one selectively use MI? 

   37:00 – Growing as an MI practitioner

   40:20 – Using with MI children, using MI with parents, and teaching MI to parents

   47:45 – Role play: Exploring an allegation of child abuse

   58:48 – Role play debrief

1:09:45 – “Good authority: Purposefulness; Focus on the child; and Clarity about concerns

1:13:30 – The next book: Framing social work as rights based

1:18:06 – End of episode

 

Links and contact information:

Email: forresterd@cardiff.ac.uk

Twitter: @DonaldForr

Donald’s book “Motivational Interviewing for working with children and families”:

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Ep 52 – MI in Primary Care – Part 231 Jan 202201:25:10

MI in Primary Care – Part 2

Glenn and Seb welcomed Mats Hogmark to discuss MI in Primary Care. Mats is a 47 year old Swedish physician who specializes in family medicine. He works in a small primary health care center in the countryside close to the city of Falun.

Mats has been an MI practitioner since 2006 and a trainer since 2007 and became a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) in 2012. As part of the Program Planning Committee he worked on the organising team for the MINT Forums in Montreal, Dublin and New Orleans 2016-2018. Mats also leads trainings for resident doctors in person-centered communication skills.

 

Motivational Interviewing in primary care

Mats Hogmark explores how Motivational Interviewing can strengthen conversations between doctors and patients in primary care. He describes the physician as an assistant rather than the person who must direct every decision, and considers how reflective listening can help practitioners come alongside patients while attending to both physical and emotional needs.

The conversation also explores whether MI can save time, the patient and doctor’s mutual roles, ideas, concerns and expectations, and compassion in healthcare. These themes connect with Reflective Listening, Partnership and Motivational Interviewing in Healthcare.

In this episode

00:00 – Introduction and episode preview

04:34 – Mats’ intro and early MI story

14:00 – The physician as an “assistant” and sitting on one’s hands

20:30 – Becoming a better listener through reflections

28:10 – Coming alongside the patient

31:30 – How MI can save time

34:20 – Mats’ MI model: The patient, doctor, and mutual roles exploring Ideas, Concerns, and Expectations

38:45 – Role play with Mats and Glenn

58:30 – Role play debrief – Attending to the physical AND emotional needs of the patient

1:17:45 – Mats’ work on compassion and relational competence

1:25:09 – End of episode

Links and contact information:

Email: mats@hogmark.com

Twitter: @matshogmark

LinkedIn: Mats Hogmark

Mats on Stan Steindl’s podcast, The Compassion Initiative: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/compassion-in-a-t-shirt-in-session-with-mats-hogmark/id1110384435?i=1000519850071

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Ep 51 – Lessons from the lab: The dynamics of change talk …10 Jan 202201:10:17

Episode 51 – Lessons from the lab: The dynamics of change talk and technological advances in 

We were pleased to welcome April Carcone to discuss her research on the dynamics of change talk and technological advances in MI. April is a member of the Behavioral Sciences Division of the Department of Family Medicine and Public Health Sciences at Wayne State University in Detroit, Michigan, USA. April is a social worker by training with over 18 year experience in developing and testing behavioral health interventions. She has studied Motivational Interviewing (MI) for more than a decade. Her research has examined how counselors and health care providers facilitate behavior change through the evocation of change talk. This has included collaborative work with computer scientists to automate the communication coding process using machine-learning models. April’s work to understand how MI facilitates change has informed her current research to develop and test eHealth behavioral interventions to improve health outcomes among emerging adults with type 1 diabetes.

  

Change talk and technology in Motivational Interviewing

April Carcone explores what research can tell us about the dynamics of change talk and the practitioner behaviours that help evoke and strengthen it. Her work examines what practitioners ask about, what they choose to reflect and how autonomy-supportive responses can influence conversations about change.

The episode also explores technological advances in MI research, including machine learning approaches to communication coding and eHealth interventions. These themes connect with Change Talk in Motivational Interviewing, Reflective Listening and Empowerment.

Continue the learning with the MI Practice Companion

Explore the research and practice implications from April Carcone’s conversation in greater depth, including strategic questions, reflections of change talk, autonomy support, research precision and opportunities for deliberate practice.

Explore Evoking Change Talk in Motivational Interviewing: Practice Lessons from April Carcone →

In this episode

00:00 – Introduction and episode preview

06:25 – April’s introduction and early MI story

09:45 – What works to evoke change talk from African-American youth?

15:45 – Process of forming research questions

21:00 – Working with youth and their caregivers

24:00 – What you ask about, and reflect, matters

27:40 – Statements that support autonomy, evoke change talk, and consolidate commitment

40:40 – Developing computerized coding methods

54:00 – The dilemma of research

58:10 – eHealth along a continuum of care

1:05:00 – Developing an eHealth prevention program for childhood cancer survivors

1:10:17 – End of episode

Links and contact information:

Email: acarcone@med.wayne.edu

Twitter: @a_carcone

Website: https://familymedicine.med.wayne.edu/profile/ao6558

Researchgate: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/April-Carcone

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/april-idalski-carcone-7584501/

International Conference on Motivational Interviewing:

Website:  https://www.icmi2022.org/ 

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Ep 50 – MI for Survivors of Violence08 Nov 202101:04:33

MI for Survivors of Violence

Glenn and Sebastian were joined by Dr. Kate Watson to discuss the application of MI when working with survivors of violence. Dr. Watson is a public speaker, author, and podcaster.  As the founder of The Advocacy Academy, Dr. Watson is on a mission to build a skilled workforce of advocates to eliminate violence around the world. To date, she has provided training to victim and survivor advocates in 25 states and 9 countries (across 3 continents). On average, Dr. Watson speaks to 10,000 live audience members each year. With her experience working with survivors of violence, she has become an on-going consultant to the US Department of Defense, the Nation al Football League (USA), and to major television networks.  In addition to her speaking and consulting work, Dr. Watson sits on the Board of Directors for The Lady Parts Collective, which is a Los Angeles-based theatre company specializing in the development of work relevant to women in the United States.  She is also a Director Emeritus for the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers. Dr. Watson is the author of the book, Only Trying to Help, which is also the name of her podcast, now entering its 6th season.

 

Motivational Interviewing with survivors of violence

Kate explores the application of Motivational Interviewing when working with survivors of violence and the role of advocacy in supporting safety, autonomy and self-determination. A central theme is amplifying the person’s own voice rather than allowing the practitioner’s understandable wish to protect or rescue to dominate the conversation.

The discussion considers self-advocacy as change talk, responding to the fixing reflex and respecting choice in situations where risk and vulnerability may be significant. These themes connect with Empowerment, Change Talk and the Fixing Reflex.

In this episode

00:00 – Introduction and episode preview

04:13 – Kate’s introduction and early MI story

08:30 – The role of an advocate 

12:15 – Self-advocacy as change talk

15:15 – Working with the “righting reflex” to amplify the voice of the client

19:20 – Difficult decisions for survivors of violence: counselling with neutrality and hope

24:45 – Paying attention to our signals, and ourselves

30:10 – Using affirmations and seeking permission in respectful ways

38:20 – Viewing change with suspicion

46:25 – Careful use of reflections

50:30 – Tying questions to hopeful outcomes

59:25 – Kate’s book and podcast: “Only Trying to Help”

1:04:32 – End of episode

 

Contact information and links:

– Email: kate@advocacyacademy.org

– Twitter: @advokatew

For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian

Listen to Episode 50

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Ep 49 – Motivational Interviewing in Physio-Physical Therapy19 Oct 202101:31:57

Physio-Physical Therapy

Glenn and Seb welcomed Maddy Nicholson to the podcast to discuss MI in physio-physical therapy for chronic pain. Maddy has been a registered physiotherapist for 15 years, specialising for 10 years as a clinical specialist physiotherapist in persistent pain management. She is currently working as a senior lecturer and programme leader for physiotherapy at Wrexham Glyndwr University in Wales, UK. Maddy is currently a PhD student at Sheffield Hallam University with Professor Jeff Breckon as director of studies, where she is exploring MI in Musculoskeletal physiotherapy care.

She became a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) after attending the training for new trainers (TNT) in Estonia in 2019 and has delivered MI training to psychology trainees, student and registered physiotherapists, sports injury rehabilitation students, occupational therapists, dieticians, substance misuse workers and medical practitioners.

Maddy enjoys being involved in the MINT community within events such as MINT UK forum, MINT forum, ‘MINT around the clock’ and the MI ‘playground’.

Motivational Interviewing in physiotherapy and chronic pain

Maddy explores how Motivational Interviewing can support physiotherapy conversations, particularly with people experiencing persistent or chronic pain. MI can help practitioners move beyond giving advice to understand what matters to the person, the meaning behind change talk and the emotions that may sit underneath decisions about rehabilitation and activity.

The episode also considers multidisciplinary care, allowing emotion into the consultation and using genuine affirmations. These themes connect with Affirmations, Change Talk and Motivational Interviewing in Healthcare.

In this episode

00:00 – Introduction and episode preview

05:43 – Maddy’s intro and early MI story

11:43 – How does MI fit in the world of a physio?

18:00 – Getting “underneath” the change talk

28:04 – “The swivel chair” story: Letting emotion in the room

33:50 – Using MI in a multidisciplinary approach for chronic pain

46:30 – Genuineness in affirmations

53:55 – Embodying MI as a university lecturer

59:45 – Maddy’s new lecturer role and her Ph.D.

1:04:11 – End of interview

1:04:18 – Maddy’s role play – Using MI with a person with back pain

1:19:50 – Role play debrief

1:46:57 – End of episode

Links and contact information:
Email: Madeleine.nicholson@glyndwr.ac.uk
Twitter: @motivationalmad

For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian

Listen to Episode 49

Contact Talking to Change
Podcast: podcast@glennhinds.com
Glenn: glenn@glennhinds.com
Sebastian: sebkaplan34@gmail.com

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