Prayer is something found is almost every culture and society in the world. It's so ubiquitous that even some of those who descibe themselves as non-religious or atheist have resorted to prayer at times. In this episode of Sunday Sanctuary, Petra goes looking for answers about the different forms that prayer can take, and what role it can play in our lives. Along the way, she talks to broadcaster and champion of the Māori language, Stacey Morrison, about karakia and inoi. After a short chat with producer Sam, Petra ropes in Strahan Coleman to ask about the role of prayer in deepening our relationship with God.

Haere mai (come along)!!

Sacred Text:

• This scene from the film It's a Wonderful Life

Music:

• A Calf Born in Winter by Khraugbin (played at the end of the intro)
• Instrumental by The Fuzzy Robes (Played at the end of Stacey's interview)
• 2516 by Luna Li (Played just before the ad break)
• I Say a Little Prayer For You by Aretha Franklin
• Wichita Lineman (Instrumental) by   Fatback Band (Played during community life)
• Solar Gap by Hinds (Played during communion)
• Come Ye by Nina Simone
• The Guitar is Dead 3 by Horsegirl (Played to bridge the conversations with Sam and Strahan)
• Just Saying by Jamie xx (Played to end Strahan's interview)
• Those Days by Dal (Played at the end of the episode)

Big thanks to St Paul's here in Auckland for letting producer Sam book a spot in their 24/7 prayer room!

What goals or ambitions do you have? Have you ever thought about the way you're working towards them? In this episode of Sunday Sanctuary, Petra Bagust explores what it might look like to re-define our idea of success. Along the way, she talks to Emily Looker, one half of the band Aro. Producer Sam also introduces Petra to some crazy runners and to Taufa Lavemaau, a boxer who shares his journey towards the 2024 Paris Olympics.

Sacred Texts:

• A clip from an interview with actor Ethan Hawke on the podcast Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso
• Prayer Vol. 2 by Strahan Coleman (pages 30 and 31)

Music:

• Actually by Dan Kye (played during the vox pops of Riverhead ReLaps runners)
• Home by @Peace (played to end interview with Taufa)
• Soulful Strut by Young-Holt Unlimited (played just before the ad break)
• A Hero's Death by Fontaines D.C. - Soulwax Remix
• Tezeta by Hailu Mergia (played during the contemplative practice)
• FTA by Whitney (Played to end communion)
• Te Karanga by Aro
• Statue Of A Woman by Novo Amor (played during the benediction)

Sunday Sanctuary is back for 2025! It is such a privilege to make this show and we are stoked to be returning for another year. This episode is just a small one to say hi, check in, and to be a moment for reflecting on 2024 and think ahead about the year to come.

If you like the show, we would love it if you could tell your friends  and family. One way to do this is by recommending a specific episode that you think someone you know might appreciate. 

Music:

• Stormy by Gábor Szabó (played during community life)
• Big Old Blue by Mess Esque (played during contemplative practice)
• Space is the Place by Ezra Collective (played during benediction)

The benediction in this episode is called A Blessing for the Summer We Actually Had by Kate Bowler

In what is becoming something of an annual tradition, join Petra Bagust for a mini Sunday Sanctuary episode made specially for Christmas Eve. Petra is joined in this episode by Michael Frost (church leader and host of the podcast In The Shift). The two talk about how Michael has changed from being "an Easter guy" to being able to embrace Christmas again, in amongst whatever life might be like at the time. Michael also wrote the benediction for the episode, which he shares at the end.

Music:

• O Tannenbaum by The Vince Guaraldi Trio (played during the candle lighting)
• Meri Kirihimete by Erny Belle (played at the end)

You've made it to the end of the year! However you are feeling about the current Advent season and the coming of Christmas, you are welcome to join Petra and producer Sam to reflect on and wrap up Sunday Sanctuary for 2024. Petra and Sam create a mixtape of interview clips that have stuck with them this year, as well as music for your Christmas and summer. There is some space for reflecting on this year and Petra and Sam hear what episodes stuck with listeners this year. Haere mai (come along)!

Music:

• Unforgettable Memories by Mei Dai (first song of the sacred text) 
• House of the Rising Sun by The Animals (second song of the sacred text)
• Something on Your Mind by Karen Dalton (played to end Belle's clip)
• Cruisin' to the Park by Durand Jones & The Indications (played to end Jenny's clip)
• Christmas Time is Here by Khruangbin (played to end Malcolm's clip)
• Muramura by Aro (played just after the ad break)
• Christmas Time is Here by The Vince Guaraldi Trio (played during the time for contemplation)
• Love Will Work it Out by Durand Jones & The Indications (played to end Glenn's clip)
• Take Your Time (Do It Right) by The S.O.S Band (played to end James' clip)
• Marilyn by Mount Kimbie (played to end Te Karere's clip)
• Follow My Voice by Julie Byrne (played to end Peter's clip)
• Magic Spell by This is The Kit (played to end Spanky's clip)
• The Light by Group Listening and Cate Le Bon (played to end Ann's clip)
• O Come O Come Emmanuel by Sufjan Stevens (played during the benediction)

Petra and Sam's recommendations:

Books - The Mermaid Chronicles by Megan Dunn and Braiding Sweetgrass by Robin Wall Kimmerer

Albums - Blue Dreams by Holly Arrowsmith and Midday Prayers by The Fuzzy Robes

Films - Never Look Away by Lucy Lawless and Calypte: A Sailing and Surfing Voyage by Torren Martin and Ishka Folkwell

Places to explore - the North Island town of Waipu and Dublin Bay outside of Wānaka

How would you describe your sense of connection with nature? Is it something you think about very often? One way or another, we are all part of the larger eco-system on this planet, and as such, we have a role to play within it. 

In this episode of Sunday Sanctuary with Petra Bagust, dive into the beginning of an exploration into how we connect with nature. Up first, Petra sends producer Sam to meet his friend Nat Duchesne, National Youth Camps Director for Scripture Union New Zealand, to ask about her special connection with nature and how she introduces groups of teens to the outdoors. Kerry Manders is the second guest in this episode, telling the story of the intentional choices she made to more closely intertwine her everday life with nature. Stick around for a poem by Wendell Berry, voice memos from people around Aotearoa/New Zealand and a liturgy for sunsets. Our hope is that this episode helps with your own thinking on your relationship with nature and how that then plays out in your life.

Sacred Texts:

Before Dark by Wendell Berry

Music:

The Homeless Wanderer by Emahoy Tsege Mariam Gebru (Played during Wendell Berry's poem)
Space is the Place by Ezra Collective (Played at the end of Nat's interview)
Beautiful Day by Voom
Low Tides by Christoph El Truento (Played during Community Life)
Cinquante Six by Ali Farka Toure (Played during Communion)
Mother Nature's Son by The Beatles
Climb by Laura Misch (Played at the end of Kerry's interview)
Space 1 by Nala Sinephro (Played during the Liturgy for Sunsets)

Sound Effects credits:

Woodland Stream March 2016.wav by plantmonkey -- https://freesound.org/s/376709/ -- License: Attribution 4.0

woodland_kingfisher.wav by soundbytez -- https://freesound.org/s/114450/ -- License: Attribution 3.0

White throated Kingfisher.wav by genghisattenborough -- https://freesound.org/s/28110/ -- License: Attribution NonCommercial 4.0

tui carnival.aif by tollbooth -- https://freesound.org/s/124935/ -- License: Attribution 4.0

Bush Atmos 04 - Walking.flac by GammaScorpii -- https://freesound.org/s/252802/ -- License: Attribution 4.0

Sunday Sanctuary has teamed up with the Makers and Mystics podcast to bring you this episode on reclaiming wonder! Stephen Roach from Makers and Mystics is Petra's guest on this episode of Sunday Sanctuary as they explore the different ways that noticing the small wonders of the world can re-open, restore and change lives. Petra and Stephen look at finding wonder largely through the lens of creativity, but no matter how creative you're feeling today, this episode is a calm, wonder-chasing sanctuary for you. 

For those of you who want to delve deeper into Petra and Stephen's conversation, an extended cut will appear in the Makers and Mystics podcast feed on November 13th. For any Makers and Mystics listeners who have come to Sunday Sanctuary, kia ora/hello! It's great to have you here.

Haere mai! (Welcome/Come along!)

Sacred texts:

• 'The mystery of tea' scene from the film After Yang (a great film, especially for fans of cosy sci-fi which looks at themes of memory and family)
• 'The Summer Day' poem by Mary Oliver (read by Mary Oliver at The 92nd St Y)

Music:

• Weird Little Birthday Girl by Happyness (played during intro)
• Stormy by Gabor Szabo (played to end the first part of Stephen's conversation)
• Red Lit Room by Holly Arrowsmith
• Space is the Place by Ezra Collective (played during Community Life)
• The Sea Has Spoken by Songs of Water (This is Stephen's band! Played during the contemplative moment)
• Summer's End by Julie Byrne (played during communion)
• Movement 6 and Movement 7 by Floating Points, Pharoah Sanders and the London Symphony Orchestra
• Slider (Lorenzo Saxophone Dub) by This Is The Kit (played at the end of Stephen's conversation)
• Vanity by Mica Levi (played during the benediction)

Considering the number of people who are constantly chasing after contentment, you'd think someone would have found a tried and true formula by now, right? Unfortunately, it seems we need to keep looking, if such a formula even exists (which after making this episode of Sunday Sanctuary seems increasingly unlikely).

Trusting in a comment he once heard that it's more interesting to hear from someone still working it out as opposed to someone on the other side, producer Sam steps forward to share some of his wrestle with contentment. Sam introduces Petra to his friend Cole and the two have a conversation about finding contentment in the midst of their very different lives.

Later on, Petra talks with Rev. Spanky Moore about what he has learnt and noticed about contentment. Spanky charts his journey from playing in a punk band and through his radio career before landing up as an Anglican priest and tells Petra about one life-changing conversation he had at age 25. 

Haere mai!

Sacred texts:

• 'The Dude abides' scene from The Big Lebowski
• 'Alleyway conversation' scene from Before Sunrise (an incredible film!)

Music:

• Take Five by Dave Brubeck (played during Sam's boat story)
• East Cape by Headland (played during Sam's boat story)
• Le Petits Gris by Khruangbin (played during Sam and Cole's conversation)
• Sun Rays Like Stilits by Tommy Geurrero (played at the end of Cole's conversation)
• Actually by Rozi Plain
• (Can't Get No) Satisfaction by The Rolling Stones (played during communion)
• Getting to Me by Caroline Rose
• Anchin Kfu Ayinkash by Hailu Mergia and the Dhalak Band (played at the end of Spanky's conversation)
• memory as miniatures by Rachika Nayar (played during the benediction)

For a practice with a long history in legal and religious settings, on this episode of Sunday Sanctuary, Petra Bagust goes looking for the benefits of bringing confession into more regular, everyday use. What difference would it make to more regularly put words to what is actually going on for us? Or as Petra puts it, "making our insides match our outsides."

Come along as Petra talks to Grace McArthur for our reccuring segment, Atlas of the Heart. Grace and Petra unpack the wisdom from Brené Brown's book of the same name, this time having a look at the chapter on vulnerability

Later on in the episode, Petra talks to Dr Michael Frost. Michael started out in the field of biomedical science before he change tack to get a PhD in theology. Michael also leads a small church in Tāmaki Makaurau/Auckland called Edge and hosts the podcast In the Shift.

Sacred texts:

• 20 priests clip from the film Spotlight (not always an easy watch but highly recommended viewing)

Music:

• I Think I Love You by The Partridge Family (played during the intro)
• Come Live with Me by Dorothy Ashby (played at the end of Grace's interview)
• Confessions by Usher
• Doing the Wrong Thing by Kaki King (played during communion. You might recognise this song from the movie Into the Wild)
• Sensory Memory by Jen Cloher
• Just Saying by Jamie xx (played during Michael's interview)
• Instrumental by The Fuzzy Robes (played during the benediction)

What do you do to feel most connected with God? One way that many of us grew up with is the idea of 'quiet time' where you physically sit still and quiet. While there is still value in this practice (just ask friend of the show Strahan Coleman), this is something that many struggled with growing up and, in actual fact, there are many ways to connect with God.

Join Petra Bagust in this special episode recorded live in the Coromadel at the Love It Media staff retreat. Petra first talks to senior producer, Josh Couch, who breaks down the nine different paths of connection as identified by Gary Thomas in his book Sacred Pathways.

After some time to think, Petra then hears from different members of the Love It Media staff team, who offer a mix of funny and poignant stories about the different ways they feel connected to God. To wrap it all up, Sunday Sanctuary's very own Rev Frank Ritchie leads communion (which you're welcome to join in with from home) and Petra finishes off with another benediction from Kate Bowler and Jessica Ritchie. Join us!

Sacred Texts:

• Sacred Pathways by Gary Thomas
• C. S. Lewis quote from his book Miracles

Music:

• Pine Trees by Mary Lattimore (played at end of Josh's interview)
• Make that Connection by Tom Petty
• Frolic by Jake Xerxes Fussell (played during the time for contemplation)
• Blue in Green by Miles Davis (played during communion)
• Collect for Midday by The Fuzzy Robes
• Summer's End by Julie Byrne (played to end the episode)

Ka mua, ka muri. To walk into the future facing backwards. What exactly does that mean? If you let your imagination explore that idea for a second you might start to get an idea. How do we, specifically pākehā New Zealanders, move into the future with an eye on our history, personal, national, religious etc, to help guide our actions. What implications does this have for how we live?

Join Petra Bagust in this episode as she explores the whakatauki of ka mua, ka muri. Petra's first guest is Dr Alistair Reese. Alistair gave the dawn service kauhau/sermon at Waitangi Day 2024 and has a PhD in Theology titled 'Reconciliation and the Quest for Pākehā Identity in Aotearoa New Zealand'. He has a new book out, all about the history of the relationship between Māori and Pākehā (with a specific focus on the church) called He Tatau Pounamu. You can buy a copy here.

Petra is also joined by Elliot Collins. Artist, teacher and Dr (another one!), Petra wanted to talk to her friend Elliot to find out what it means to him to live as a treaty partner in day to day life. 

Sacred Texts:

• Clip from Dr Alistair Reese's kauhau/sermon delivered during the dawn service at Waitangi 2024

Music:

• Innerspace by The Apples in Stereo (played at end of Alistair's interview)
• Treaty by Moana and the Tribe
• music for indigo by Adrianne Lenker (played during the candle segment)
• Pepeha by Six60
• Frolic by Jake Xerxes Fussell (played at the end of Elliot's interview)
• Start Somewhere by Courtney Barnett (played to end the episode)

What communities are you part of? What does being involved in community mean for your life? Those are two of the core questions in this episode of Sunday Sanctuary. Whether we see ourselves as being community members or not, the different groups we are part of influence how we live our lives.

Community connections lead to both of the interviews for this episode. First up, Petra sat down to talk with the Reverend Dr Hirini Kaa, principal of St John's Theological College in Tāmaki Makaurau. Dr Kaa shared his views on what community means to him as a Māori man and how mana plays a part. Petra's second conversation is with Jenny Duckworth, someone who has lived in several communities all with a very intentional focus on serving their neighbours.

This episode also sees Producer Sam head back to Cornwall Park here in Auckland to ask unsuspecting strangers about their stories of community. He also tries to bring a theme song to the episode, with mixed success..... Haere mai!

Music:

- Come Together by The Beatles 
- Interlude by Julie Byrne (played during contemplative practice)
- Alegria by Elia y Elizabeth (played during community life)
- Everyday People by Sly and the Family Stone
- Oh My God by Kevin Morby (played at the end of Jenny's interview)
- Sun Rays Like Stilts by Tommy Guerrero (played during the benediction)

Breathe in. Breathe out. Such simple instructions that can make a huge difference, especially when we pay attention to our breath and how we feel. When was the last time, however, that you thought about breathe as being essential to life? 

In this episode of Sunday Sanctuary, Petra explores the importance of breathe and it's link to spirit. Along the way she talks with Manuel Beazley, the vicar for māori in the Catholic diocese of Auckland, and friend of the show Rev. Frank Ritchie. Include some feedback from listeners, top quality waiata (songs), and some hollywood star power and you have the recipe for a great episode!

Haere mai!

Sacred Texts:

• This clip from the BBC podcast Sidetracked
• This scene from the film Apollo 13

A small correction: The film clip is from the movie Apollo 13, not Apollo 11.

Music:

• Space 7 by Nala Sinephro (Used during the first breathing exercise)
• Slider - Lorenzo Saxophone Dub by This Is The Kit (Used at the end of Manuel Beazley's interview)
• Breathe by Six60
• Oh My God by Kevin Morby (Used at the end of the reflection on communion)
• Breathe Deeper by Tame Impala
• Love Is Everywhere by Pharoah Sanders (Used at the end of Rev Frank Ritchie's interview)
• Frolic by Jake Xerxes Fussell (Used during the last breathing exercise)

Re-enchantment, de-magification, however you want to put it, there are many people who are looking to embrace the wilder side of life and faith. Good friend of the show Rev Frank Ritchie is currently on a journey to re-enchant his life and so joins Petra to co-host this episode.

In this episode Petra talks to Dr Belle Tindall, co-host of the Re-enchanting podcast about where this whole idea of re-enchantment comes from. Next, Petra catches up with an old friend, Erin Morales Ruka, who lives a more enchanted life for an insight into what that looks like. Haere mai!

Sacred texts:

• Scene from Mary Poppins

Music:

• Adventure of a Lifetime by Coldplay
• God Gave Me Feet For Dancing by Ezra Collective
• Follow My Voice by Julie Byrne (played at end of Dr Belle's interview)
• Water No Get Enemy by Fela Kuti (played during Community Life segment)
• Equipoise by Max Roach (Played at end of Erin's interview)
• Slider - Lorenzo Saxophone Dub by This Is The Kit (Played at end of the episode)

We're in the middle of the winter season here in Aotearoa New Zealand right now, but have you ever gone through a time in life that felt like a winter? They can arrive following a death, a job loss, a disappointment, as a result of something else or out of nowhere! Everyone will experience times like these, so whether you're in a winter now or not, we made this episode for you.

In this episode of Sunday Sanctuary, Petra is joined by three guests. Up first is Horowhenua based GP and poet Glenn Colquhoun. Next, Petra talks to spiritual director Margaret Tooley. Lastly (and most excitingly for Petra), she talks to Australian cartoonist, poet and author Michael Leunig. Haere mai! Join us for an exploration of life's winters, what we can do about them, and what we can learn by "getting out into them".

Sacred text:

An edited passage from Let Your Life Speak by Parker Palmer

Featured music:

• Mr Sun by Greentea Peng
• A Forest by The Cure (played during scared text)
• Fold by Jose Gonzalez (played during scared text)
• Innerspace by The Apples in Stereo (played during scared text)
• Turn! Turn! Turn! by The Byrds
• Zionsville by Khruangbin (played at end of episode)

This episode is for three groups of people:

1) Those who have stumbled across a place where it felt like heaven was especially close

2) Those who have a place meaningful to them where they find themselves replenished and reconnected with the source of life whenever they are there

3) Those who are wondering "what the heck is all this about!?"

Whoever you are, join Petra as she talks to her good friends Pio Terei and Rev. Frank Ritchie to explore the Māori idea of ūkaipō and the Celtic idea of 'thin spaces'.

Sacred Text:

Where Heaven and Earth Come Closer by Erik Weiner. Published by the New York Times on 09/03/2012

Example of a prayer kneeler as mentioned by Frank

Featured Music:

• Woman of the Hill by Caitlin Gilligan
• River by Leon Bridges
• Climb by Laura Misch (played at the end of Pio's conversation)
• Rivers That You Cannot See by North Americans (played during Community Life)
• Space 1.8 by Nala Sinephro (played during the Contemplative Practice)
• Statue of a Woman by Novo Amor (played during the outro)

Sometimes it feels like the world is in a precarious place. It can be easy to fear what the future holds. Is it healthy to hold on to a certain amount of fear? Does is galvanise us to act? And if so, how much is too much? Petra speak to spiritual director, Rachel Kitchens, about the what to do with our fear of the future and historian, Peter Lineham, about what history shows us about the fear of the state of the world. 

Sacred Texts:

Edited excerpt from Unruly Saint by D.L. Mayfield

An Excerpt from In the Shelter by Pádraig Ó Tuama by On Being Studios. Read by the author.

Featured Music:

Play with Me by The Album Leaf
Waiting on the World to Change by John Mayer
Eve of Destruction by Barry McGuire
Holy War by Alicia Keys
Distraction Days by The Album Leaf

Holding a grudge is a tantalising temptation. Especially when someone has clearly wronged us. After all, they deserve to be held accountable for what they did, right?

In this episode, Petra and her guests explore what the big fuss is with forgiveness. And we’re not just talking about the earth-shattering acts of forgiveness, but garden variety forgiveness that can be weaved into our everyday life as we inevitably bump into the people around us.

Petra talks to counsellor and podcaster, Charlotte Cummings about the emotional world of forgiveness, and Rev Dr Malcolm Gordon about the nuts and bolt of the forgiveness process.

So if you’ve got a grudge that won’t budge, you’ve come to the right place.

Sacred Text:

Excerpt from The Book of Forgiving by Desmond and Mpho tutu.

Rev Malcolm Gordon't Podcast Series:

A Field Guide to Forgiveness

Featured Music:

• The Light by The Album Leaf
• I'm Not Sorry by Morrissey
• Brother by The Brilliance

We're surrounded by a lot of noise. Whether it's literal noise such as traffic and people's chatter or metaphorical noise in the form of a neverending supply of media, art and social content, it can be hard to cut through it all. 

On this episode of Sunday Sanctuary, join Petra as she explores the impact our noisy world can have on our body and our wairua/spirit. Grace McArthur returns to lead us in another exploration of Brené Brown's book Atlas of the Heart. Jay Ruka (Dean of St Mary's Cathedral in New Plymouth and author of Huia Come Home) also joins Petra to dive into how he has noticed the noisiness of his life change over time.

We know that a podcast episode exploring the downsides of noise is ironic, but our hope is that you'll be inspired to look into how you can start to deal with the noise that is everpresent in our world. 

Sacred Text:

The Peace of Wild Things by Wendell Berry (Text/Video)

Featured Music:

• Under the Water by Hand Habits and Amelia Meath
• A Quiet Place by Garnett Mimms & The Enchanters
• Memory as Miniatures by Rachika Nayar (played at the end of Atlast of the Heart)
• Beginning by The Durutti Column (played at the end of Jay Ruka's interview)
• Premiere Gymnopedie by Eric Satie (played under the benediction)

Let's be real, death is not something that most of us are comfortable talking about. Who wants to think about the death of family or friends until we absolutely have to? As it turns out, beginning to talk about death before it is strictly necessary can do so much for when we are faced with the reality. To clarify, in this episode of Sunday Sanctuary we are not talking about sudden, unexpected death. This episode we are talking about the eventuality of natural death that faces everyone.

Join Petra Bagust as she talks to paliative care nurses and clergy alike, to unpack the advantages of opening ourselves to conversations about the end of life. First up, Petra heads south to talk to Ann, a palliative care nurse (and mum of producer Sam), about her experiences of walking alongside many families as they face the death of a loved one. Later in the episode, Petra is joined by Anglican minister and chaplain to New Zealand's film industry, Kevin Denholm (otherwise affectionately known as Rev Kev ;). Kevin had a slightly different summer to most, leading eight funerals for residents of Aotea/Great Barrier Island. Haere Mai!

Sacred Texts: 

The Tale of the Three Brothers from Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part I

Featured Music:

• Fourth of July by Sufjan Stevens
• Someone Great by LCD Soundsystem (Lyrics)
• Pine Trees by Mary Lattimore (played during the contemplative practice)
• Statue Of A Woman by Novo Amor (played at the end of Ann's interview)

Books suggested by Ann:

• With the End in Mind by Kathryn Mannix
• Tuesdays with Morrie by Mitch Albom
• Being Mortal by Atul Gawande
• When Breath Becomes Air by Paul Kalanithi

There is a special sort of unsettled feeling reserved for moving to a new place, even if it's just across town. The destabilisation that so often comes with a new locale can linger for a while as we re-establish where home is for us. Although, sometimes the place we consider home stays the same while we move. Either way, this tricky feeling can be a tough one to navigate.

Come on a journey with your host Petra Bagust, as she talks to producer Josh about his childhood, which was spent between Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Thailand. Hear one man's story of his father's move from Taiwan to the USA in the '60s, and finally, our Community Life segment is released out into the wild, as producer Sam heads to Tāmaki Makaurau/Auckland's Cornwall Park!

Sacred Text

• Stay True (pages 11-12) by Hua Hsu

Featured Music

• Hell Hole by Erny Belle
• Bounty by Tiny Ruins
• Nathan Haines' cover of International Flight by David Snell (played during Community Life)
• Summer's End by Julie Byrne (played during the benediction)

When was the last time you faced disappointment? When you look back at that time, did it seem like the feeling sat with you for a long time? Disappointment is one of those feelings most of us would love to move along from as soon as possible. What if, however, there is a different way of looking at disappointment, and maybe even some good to be found within....

Join Petra Bagust on this special episode as our Atlas of the Heart segment with Grace McArthur returns for the first time in 2024! Petra also heads to the Life FM studio in Tāmaki Makaurau/Auckland to talk with Sela Alo about his view on disappointment.

Sacred Texts

• Atlas of the Heart (pages 43-52) by Brené Brown
• My So Called Lungs (18:53 - 21:13) by Radio Diaries

Featured Music

• Let Down by Radiohead
• Money or the Bag by French for Rabbits
• Rivers That You Cannot See by North Americans (played during Benediction)

We've all heard the saying that comparison is the thief of joy. But have you ever thought about how many different areas of our lives it applies to? We can spend so much of our time worrying that we aren't keeping up or meeting some unspoken expectations. So how do we learn to run our own race?

In this episode, Petra Bagust talks to two wonderful guests (who are also good friends in real life), counsellor Charlotte Cummings and Baptist Pastor James Beck.

Sacred Texts

• Baby Race from Bluey
• There's a Hole in the Sidewalk by Portia Nelson

Featured Music

• Let Me Get There by Hope Sandoval & The Warm Inventions ft. Kurt Vile
• Stressed Out by Twenty One Pilots

It is so often our differences that divide people, but have you ever noticed the beauty in difference? In this episode of Sunday Sanctuary, Petra goes in search of what that means, and why difference is something o be desired, despite it's challenges.

Dame Anne Salmond is Petra's first guest. She lays out the advantages of difference at an anthropological level (as she is so good at doing!)

Rev Brett Jones is up next! Leader of the Weslyan Methodist church in Aotearoa/New Zealand, his own church and the many he oversees are full of a beautiful diversity of people. But what does this mean in actuality?

We have a new intro song! It's called You Are the Gold by Terrible Sons.

The sacred text in this episode is from a post by @dusttodigital.

Music:
Intro by The xx
Harvest for the World by The Isley Brothers
Just Saying by Jamie xx
Marechia by Nu Genea
Give a Little Bit by Supertramp
Ocean City by Gunn - Trusincski Duo

Wouldn't it be nice to just have all the answers? We're sure you've had moments of wishing it was possible to skip all of the tension and uncertainty, replacing it with sure-footed confidence. Unfortunately, that is not the reality we live in. There is, however, much to gain and learn from embracing the mystery of life. You might even find some hope.

In this episode, Petra Bagust is joined by development coach Nikki Bray and Rev. Spanky Moore, who share their insights and experiences with learning to embrace mystery.

Sacred Texts

• From Here to There by Nikki Bray (buy a copy here)
• John 20:24-29 (Tree of Life version)
• The Welcoming Prayer by Thomas Keating

Featured Music

• New Wanders by Motte (played during Nikki's reading)
• Mysterious Ways by U2
• If the Sun Is Shining by Zach Winters
• Le Moulin by Yann Tiersen (from the incredible film Amélie)

The article from The May Magazine that Petra mentions at the beginning of the episode can be found here.

Isn't it so true that as we journey through this thing called life that we are often experiencing both highs and lows at the very same time, usually colliding into each other? Like going home for a holiday but then falling sick while there, or celebrating a child's wedding but also grieving the season change, or as shared by one of you - throwing up while hiking and feeling awful but also enjoying the incredible view.

In this episode, Petra Bagust speaks with Hana Seddon of The Salvation Army and author of Beholding, Strahan Coleman, about their experiences of navigating the duality of life's highs and lows.

Sacred Texts

• Excerpt from My Inner Sky by Mari Andrew
• Clip from Are You Mental?'s Depression episode (2020), produced by Mick Andrews

In this first episode of Sunday Sanctuary for the year, we ask the question - what on earth are we alive for? Is there such a thing as a 'calling'? If so, how do we find out what it is for ourselves?

Join Petra Bagust and she explores this with two friends of the show, Te Karere Scarborough (co-principal of the newly-opened Te Wānanga Ihorangi) and Frank Ritchie (broadcaster and media chaplain), hearing their personal experiences and thoughts on the subject of purpose.

And as per our Sunday Sanctuary rhythm, we kick off these conversations with 'sacred texts' - 

• Up by Pixar
• Let Your Life Speak by Patrick J. Palmer, pages 16-17

T'was the day before Christmas, and all through the house
Many a creature was stirring, even the mouse
The jobs were all done in a hurry, but also with care
In the hope that some peace soon would be there
In the evening, with all now safely snug in their beds
As hopes for some joy and wonder danced in their heads.

On this episode of Sunday Sanctuary, we decided to keep it simple. Petra's guest this episode is one of our favourite reverends, Spanky Moore. He very graciously shares about what his year has been like, and how in the midst of it all he has still been able to find moments of wonder, joy, and peace. Whether you hear this episode on Christmas Eve or come to it in the new year, we hope that it might inspire some ways for you to find the wonder and joy present in your life as it is.

All of us on the Sunday Sanctuary team would like to say a massive kia ora to everyone who has listened this year! We put a lot of love into this show and we love to hear about what it means to you. If you'd like to tell us about what part Sunday Sanctuary has played in your life this last year and/or what parts of the show you like best, we'd be very thankful. Feel free to message us on Instagram, we're @sundaysanctuarynz. Your thoughts will come in really handy as we talk about what Sunday Sanctuary looks like in 2024.

Mā te wā,

Petra, Steph, Josh, and Sam

Awe

The moment of awe in this episode was inspired by this article from Sports History Weekly. There is also a documentary on the Lithuanian basketball team called The Other Dream Team, released in 2012. 

Sacred texts:

The book of John, chapter 1, verses 1 - 5

Rev. Spanky Moore referenced quotes from two rabbis:
1) "Never once in my life did I ask God for success or wisdom or power or fame. I asked for wonder, and he gave it to me." - Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel, from his book I Asked for Wonder: A Spiritual Anthology

2) "Some years back I hit a skid in my personal life. Though I knew objectively that I had much to be grateful for, it was hard to acknowledge a sense of gratitude. It was difficult to notice the positive that was out there beyond the slog of getting through every day. But now and then, I’d feel the impulse to take out my phone and capture a slice of beauty. These fleeting glimpses of splendor broke through my horizon of pain and lifted me up…." - Rabbi Hara Person, from a meditation written for The Center for Action and Contemplation

One final thing. If you're needing a playlist of Christmas music, we've put together A Sunday Sanctuary Christmas on Spotify. Enjoy!

We all have something in our lives that seems to be taking it's sweet time to arrive or happen. What are you waiting for? You could be waiting for any number of things, but on this episode of Sunday Sanctuary, Petra explores what is to be found within the time of "not yet."

Petra is joined first by Matt Renata, a youth worker and tauira (student) of indigenous theology. Matt shares part of his and his wife Rachel's six year journey towards pregnancy and some of the lessons he has learnt along the way.

Then, Grace McArthur joins Petra live in studio! Long-time listeners might remember that the last time this happened was back when Sunday Sanctuary was on Today FM. The wait was worthwhile, though, as Grace comes armed with some wisdom from Brené Brown's Atlas of the Heart about how to wait well.

Strahan Coleman is Petra's final guest on this episode. As someone who has lived with chronic health issues for the last 10 years, Strahan knows a thing or two about waiting. He also makes some interesting observations about the role of artists in times when it feels like the world is falling apart.

Thank you for hanging with us during our short break. We appreciate you listening and we hope this episode was worth the wait!

Awe

The Awe piece in this episode comes from TikTok user DogDogCatCatNoodle.

Sacred texts

• Scene from Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone. Watch it here.
• Roll Back Your Clocks by Buck Meek. Listen to the song on YouTube.

Kia ora whanau! We're just jumping in here with a short update about Sunday Sanctuary. Don't worry! The show isn't stopping, we're just taking a week off.

As it happens, the combination of a large workload and sickness can be really punishing, especially for a small team such as ours. As a result, we've decided not to put out a normal episode this Sunday. And no, the irony is not lost on us that we are taking the week off just after releasing an episode on burnout.....

We didn't want to leave you without anything to reflect on however. We were recently introduced to this great poem by Thomas Merton and a reflection on that poem by a US based pastor named James Lawrence. Listen through the short update to where Petra reads the poem and the reflection. You can read James' original blog post here.

Thanks for sticking with us and we will be back in a few weeks!

How much is left in your 'tank'? Do you feel as though you are beginning to move towards being overwhelmed or have you in fact burnt out? No matter how you are feeling, welcome. Yes, that includes you, the person who somehow still feels full of beans! What is your secret?

In this episode, Petra speaks with singer/songwriter Lydia Cole. Lydia shares the story of her journey from making a living as a musician in Berlin toher ongoing journey of recovering from burnout back home, here in Tāmaki Makaurau. 

We then hear from Brad Carr, who used to lead Gracecity Church in Auckland before burning out four years ago. He kindly shares many of the lessons learnt and experiences had since. 

Producer Sam flew home to Dunedin for this episode and took the opportunity to interview his dad. He provides an interesting perspective as someone who is knowingly teetering on the edge of burnout while working within a system well known for being high pressure.

If you enjoyed this episode, we'd love it if you left us a 5 star rating. Feel free to write a short review if you feel so inclined! As always though, the most helpful thing you can do is spread the word among friends and whānau! If you'd like to join us on Instagram, our handle is @sundaysanctuarynz.

Awe

The Awe piece in this episode comes Episode 1 of the Netflix series called Connected, hosted by Latif Nasser. 

Sacred texts

• The Sacred by Lydia Cole. Stream it on Spotify or listen to her live version for RNZ
• A reflection on burnout written by Chanel Miller

How's your day been today? No really, has it gone well or has today just not been your day? If today has just not been going the way you'd like, this episode is for you. Nacho Day (try saying it like not your day) is all about those frustrating and disheartening days where the world might not be ending, but that leave you in a bad mood.

In this episode, Petra visits Sophie Gray of Destitute Gourmet and the two of them make nachos together in Sophie's kitchen. The recipe they follow is one that Sophie put together specifically for families who receive food from the Good Works Trust Food Bank, where Sophie is the General Manager.

The Sunday Sanctuary team loves it when Hollywood releases a movie which perfectly fits the topic of an upcoming episode. To kick off her conversation with Rev Frank Ritchie, Petra plays him a section of Alexander and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day. Frank lets Petra in on what he does for himself on bad days and how prayer plays a part in how he shows himself some grace.

If you enjoyed this episode, we'd love it if you left us a 5 star rating. Feel free to write a short review if you feel so inclined! As always though, the most helpful thing you can do is spread the word among friends and whānau! If you'd like to join us on Instagram, our handle is @sundaysanctuarynz.

Awe

The moment of awe in this episode comes from Professor Boaz Keysar's work on The Foreign-Language Effect. Watch a short video about it here or read an article about it here

Sacred texts

Sophie Gray's nachos recipe - here is an earlier version of it
Alexander and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day - Watch the clip here.

Do you see yourself as a creative person? Sure, not everyone can be a musician or a sculptor but I wonder if your answer would change if you considered all of the things you do that aren't typically thought of as 'art'. No matter how we choose to express ourselves creatively, it says something about who we are. In this episode of Sunday Sanctuary, you'll meet three people who's creative practices intersect with their spirituality in different ways.

First, Petra talks to musician Holly Arrowsmith. She very generously shares for the first time about how her sense of spirituality and her faith has changed over the last 10 years, and what that means for her music.

Producer Sam is out on assignment once again, this time to visit icon writer Michael Pervan. At the Studio of St John the Baptist on Auckland's North Shore, discover how rabbit skin glue and plaster of Paris combine to help make the distinctive seen in churches worldwide.

Lastly Petra talks with internationally award winning graffiti and street artist (or "imagineer", Janine Williams. Alongside husband Charles, she has an incredible story of following her passion from tagging fences as a teen to being paid to create works visible all over Tāmaki Makaurau.

If you enjoyed this episode, we'd love it if you left us a 5 star rating. Feel free to write a short review if you feel so inclined! As always though, the most helpful thing you can do is spread the word among friends and whānau! If you'd like to join us on Instagram, our handle is @sundaysanctuarynz.

Awe

The moment of awe in this episode is part of 'Speaking Whale', an episode of Erica Heilman's podcast Rumble Strip. Huge thanks to Erica for letting us share it! Listen to the full interview here.

Sacred texts

• The Creative Act: A Way of Being by Rick Rubin
• Give yourself permission to be creative by Ethan Hawke (TED Talk). Watch it here.
• The songs featured in Holly's interview are Desert Dove, Autumn, and The Gardener. Keep an eye out for her new album next year!

The drive for perfection can be such a blessing and a curse, can't it? What seems like trying for the best can actually end up destroying our enjoyment of the process, not to mention how it feels when our self imposed standards aren't met! And as we discover, the longing for perfection typically comes from a much deeper place...

In this episode of Sunday Sanctuary, Grace McArthur sets the scene with a look at Brené Brown's definition of perfectionism from her book, Atlas of the Heart. Grace also unpacks how she fought her want for perfection in her art.

Petra is joined once again by counsellor Shirley Pastiroff. With a little help from Ted Lasso, they talk through where perfectionistic tendencies come from and what the first step is to addressing the impact it can have. 

Nic Manders, music producer to the stars (Six60, TEEKS, Dave Dobbyn and more) joins Petra to round out the episode by sharing his personal journey with perfectionism. 

If you enjoyed this episode, we'd love it if you left us a 5 star rating. Feel free to write a short review if you feel so inclined! As always though, the most helpful thing you can do is spread the word among friends and whānau! If you'd like to join us on Instagram, our handle is @sundaysanctuarynz.

Awe

The awe piece in this episode comes from City of the Future: Singapore by National Geographic. Watch it here.

Sacred texts

• Ted Lasso S3, Ep 12 - So long, Farewell
• One by Sleeping at Last

For the first time in Sunday Sanctuary's history, we a re-running an episode! We want to take you back to Easter 2023, and bring back an episode that has turned into a bit of a time capsule. While the events discussed in the episode are no longer so immediately relevant today, the conversations had and points made are still relevant to us today. It's also interesting to look back at the show at a point in time when we didn't know what would happen. Would another radio station pick up the show? Would we commit to being a podcast/ Well, look at us now!

We hope you enjoy this throwback. A brand-spanking-new episode will be in your feed again in two weeks time! 

Follow along on Instagram at @sundaysanctuarynz for updates.

It's officially Spring! The designated season of daffodils, lambs, and new beginnings...or is it? Join Petra as she explores that squishy period of time where one part of life ends and another starts. As it turns out, new beginnings can happen at any time!

Petra is joined by Mustafa Derbashi MNZM, who came to Aotearoa as a refugee and with a calling in his heart to help others, just as soon as he learnt English... Salvation Army Captain Hana Seddon talks with Petra about backing herself during times of transition, no matter what others might think. Grace McArthur also stops by to bring some more wisdom from Brené Brown's Atlas of the Heart, this time looking at the emotion of excitement.

Producer Josh provides this episode's moment of awe and talks to Petra about his brand new baby! Lastly, producer Sam pays a visit to his friend Millie at the farm she works on. Come for the cute animals noises and stay for her reflections on relocating from Taihape to Tāmaki Makaurau/Auckland.

If you enjoyed this episode, we'd love it if you left us a 5 star rating. Feel free to write a short review if you feel so inclined! As always though, the most helpful thing you can do is spread the word among friends and whānau! If you'd like to join us on Instagram, our handle is @sundaysanctuarynz.

Awe

The awe piece in this episode came from Professor Edward Tronick's 'Still Face' experiment at the University of Massachusetts. Watch the full video here

Sacred Text

Inside Out (Disney, 2015). Watch the full scene

Times of grieving can be so difficult to face and unpredictable in how they present. A question that's also been on our minds for a while is 'have you ever felt the expectation to finish grieving once the funeral is over?'

On this episode of Sunday Sanctuary, we look into the rituals and rites of passage that can be held to mark the passing of a loved one. What we hope is that you will see how much freedom there is to decide what you do to remember those you have lost, all in your own time.

Join Petra as she talks to her friend (and boss) Phil Guyan, who beautifully shares all the ways in which he remembered, and continues to remember his dad, Neil. Producer Sam drops past Auckland's Threshold Choir, the Cadence Singers, to learn about their work. Lastly, Petra speaks with former hospital chaplain Heike Pomare, from Ōtepoti/Dunedin, about the role of being a 'grief holder'.

If you enjoyed this episode, we'd love it if you left us a 5 star rating. Feel free to write a short review if you feel so inclined! As always though, the most helpful thing you can do is spread the word among friends and whānau! If you'd like to join us on Instagram, our handle is @sundaysanctuarynz.

Awe

The awe piece in this episode was written by Sam who took inspiration from the video by Listening In, titled The Music that links Dumbledore's death to Bach and Radiohead. Watch it here.

Sacred texts

• Grey Areas with Petra Bagust, Season 1 Episode 9: Inevitable Grief
• Excerpt from My Inner Sky by Mari Andrew (pg. 144-146)
• The Crab/Waterbaby by Tiny Ruins

What's your attitude towards gratitude? For some it flows easily, which for those of us who find gratitude more difficult to summon can be a bit frustrating! No matter how you feel about gratitude, join Petra as she dives into the role it can play in our lives and the surprising things it can bring forth.

Petra is joined firstly by her longtime friend, mental health advocate, speaker, and musician, Julia Grace, to hear about the (very passive aggressive) journey Julia went on with her gratitude journal. Grace McArthur returns to dive back into Brené Brown's 'Atlas of the Heart'. Finally, spoken word poet and youth worker, Dietrich Soakai, dials in from Ōtautahi Christchurch to share his journey of coming to embrace gratitude during a time of heartbreak.

If you enjoyed this episode, we'd love it if you left us a 5 star rating. Feel free to write a short review if you feel so inclined! As always though, the most helpful thing you can do is spread the word among friends and whānau! If you'd like to join us on Instagram, our handle is @sundaysanctuarynz.

This week's awe piece came from the article 'Scientists Found Ripples in Space and Time. And You Have to Buy Groceries.' It was published in The Atlantic on June 29th and written by Adam Frank. https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2023/06/universe-gravitational-waves-nanograv-discovery/674570/

Sacred texts:

Clip from 'Inside Amy Schumer' - https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=484520277113949

Quote by Maya Angelou was found on goodreads - https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/132587-the-ship-of-my-life-may-or-may-not-be

Have you ever looked past your reflection in the mirror and been able to see your body as truly part of who you are? Do you consider your physical body to be spiritual? Join Petra Bagust on this episode as she untangles the disconnect between our mind, body, and spirit. Petra talks to Sam Bloore about the ancient Greek philosophy that lies at the root of this problem. Rev. Jay Ruka (author of Huia Come Home) dials in to talk about the Māori concept of Te Whare Tapa Wha. Finally, Petra pays a visit to journalist, editor, and disability advocate Olivia Shivas to learn about how she relates to her body as a wheelchair user.

The TED Talk used for the moment of Awe can be found here: https://www.ted.com/talks/heather_barnett_what_humans_can_learn_from_semi_intelligent_slime

Sacred texts:

• Passage from 'The Wisdom of Your Body' by Hillary L. McBride
•  Clip from Kate Bowler's interview with Bessel van der Kolk on her podcast Everything Happens. Season 6, Episode 11 published in April 2021.

Join us for a contemplative exploration as we delve into the spiritual practice of silence. Paradoxical, isn't it? Yet, we hope that by the end of this episode, you'll find yourself better prepared to try and perhaps even introduce the art of quieting your mind to your everyday life.

In this episode, Petra talks to spiritual director Rev Rachel Kitchens, about the difficulty of seeking moments of silence amidst the bustling world we live in.

Later on, Petra welcomes back friend of the show, Rev Spanky Moore, to kōrero about the challenges and rewards that come from stilling your mind and body. Don't miss Spanky's legendary story about a pesky family of birds he encountered on a silent retreat.

The moment of awe in this episode was adapted from AsapSCIENCE's video The Loudest vs Quietest Room In The World - Watch it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqt60LqaEBU&ab_channel=AsapSCIENCE

First sacred text - Silence is Golden by The Beths. Here's the music video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ZxW1r1Zc8&ab_channel=TheBeths

Second sacred text - The Summer Day by Mary Oliver. Listen to the poem here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBPHUE961zI&ab_channel=The92ndStreetY%2CNewYork

Third sacred text - quote by Thomas Merton from his book Come to the Mountain: New Ways and Living Traditions in the Monastic Life

Fourth sacred text - quote by Richard Rohr from his book Everything Belongs: The Gift of Contemplative Prayer

Brave conversations are not easy to have! They so often seem like they will require more from us than we can give. How can we approach these discussions well? What does a positive outcome look like? 

In this episode, Petra Bagust digs into the world of brave conversations and healthy confrontation. She’s joined by counsellor and author of the book ‘Mindful Parenting’, Shirley Pastiroff, who offers tools to use when approaching these interactions. Next, Rev. Frank Ritchie offers some insight into how brave conversations intersect with his faith and what he has found as a chaplain to those facing similar situations of their own. 

The ‘sacred texts’ used in this episode are the song Found Out by This is the Kit and a portion of Brooklyn Nine-Nine, season four, episode 19.

TW: Suicidal ideation

In this episode, Petra Bagust explores loneliness and our need to belong. What is our loneliness telling us?

She is joined by community leader David Letele (aka Brown Buttanbean), who opens up about the lowest point in his life, and CEO of Wilberforce Foundation Chris Clarke, who expands on the idea that loneliness is an emotion driving us to action.

Can you think of a time when you experienced kindness from a stranger? Perhaps a tank of petrol paid for when your credit card didn't work, or an offer to help carry your stroller up a flight of stairs?

What is it about experiencing kindness from someone outside of our circles which is so compelling? And what is this word 'compassion' all about?

In this story-filled episode, Petra Bagust is joined by Rev Petra Zaleski and Matt Renata for a deep dive into the topic, and we revisit Atlas of the Heart with Grace McArthur for an exploration of compassion.

Join the Sunday Sanctuary community on Instagram at @sundaysanctuarynz.

When has food felt like love to you? And what food feels like love for you? Is it your favourite soup ready on the stove upon your return to your childhood home? A carrot cake couriered to you for your birthday? 

Food is so much more than physical sustenance. It is a bridge between cultures, a holder of memories and an expression of love for those we care about.

In this episode, Petra speaks with mate Pio Terei and Destitute Gourmet's Sophie Gray about their thoughts on this passion subject of theirs, and we hear plenty of delicious stories along the way. 

Mother's Day is messy. Whether you're a mother, someone waiting to become a mother, a daughter missing her mother, and more - let's file this one under the 'both, and' days, shall we? A day of delight for some and a day of pain for others - sometimes it's both for the very same person. And by that same vein, motherhood is messy.

In this episode, Petra speaks with friends Jax Donaldson and Te Waka McLeod about their journeys as daughters and mothers, and we hear from a few others, including you, our Sunday Sanctuary community, about the feelings Mother's Day brings up.

Ngā mihi nui, e hoa mā.

Nature has seasons, the transitions between which can be difficult for many people. Life also has seasons. How do we navigate the ending of one part of our life, and the beginning of another? In this episode, Petra is joined by Rev. Frank Ritchie to unpack how he is approaching an upcoming season change in his life. Petra also talks to a group of her own friends, all of whom are in the midst of their own season changes. 

Haere mai/come along!

A small correction: We mistakenly attributed the 'Welcoming Prayer' to Thomas Merton, instead of Thomas Keating.

Music:

• Autumn Sweater by Yo La Tengo (played at the end of the intro)
• Equipoise by Max Roach (played at the end of Frank's interview)
• Bashed Out by This is the Kit
• Just Saying by Jamie xx (played during communion)
• Warned You by Good Morning (played during community life)
• Seasons (Waiting on You) by Future Islands
• Innerspace by The Apples in Stereo (played at the end of Petra's chat with her friends)

What is something mundane that brings you joy? Is it clean sheets? A cup of hot tea in your favourite mug? Hearing the rain on your rooftop? Passing that same familiar landmark everyday?

Most of our lives is lived in these ordinary, mundane moments. How do we recognise them for the wonder they are? 

Join Petra Bagust as she speaks with Rev Frank Ritchie about Ordinary Time, and is also joined by poet Strahan Coleman, who discusses the poem we sent him that made him sob and shares about the role the mundane plays in his continuing journey through health challenges.

Join the Sunday Sanctuary community at @sundaysanctuarynz on Instagram. We'd love to hear from you.

Before the loss of our radio station, we had this very special Easter Sunday show planned and so we decided to make it as a podcast episode anyway.

This Sunday, we talk about when things don't go as planned (like when your radio station shuts down!) - when plot twists show up and disrupt the way we thought life would turn out.

Friend and CEO of Parenting Place Dave Atkinson, shares his whānau's unexpected journey with infertility, and Rev Spanky Moore returns to the show, with poignant reflections on his late father.

Here is the link to the full text of the benediction by Nadia Bolz-Weber - https://thecorners.substack.com/p/salty-d99

We are continuing to find our way forward and as we solidify what Sunday Sanctuary will look like, we will keep you in the loop. Thank you for being on this journey with us.

Follow along on Instagram at @sundaysanctuarynz for updates.

"It sucks but I don't have it as bad as..."

We talked about comparative suffering this week - "feeling the need to see our own suffering in light of other people's pain. With this perspective, we start to rank our suffering and use it to deny or give ourselves permission to feel." 

Pio Terei joined us to discuss the etymology of the word 'aroha', and Petra spoke with registered psychologist Nettie Cullen, journalist and broadcaster Indira Stewart, and non-profit CEO Chris Clarke.

And thank you to everyone who sent their stories in about what felt hard this week. Arohanui to you all as you navigate those tough situations. 

Here are links to our two sacred texts this week - 

Sacred Text 01: What Else? by Molly Prentiss from The Isolation Journals -  https://theisolationjournals.substack.com/p/the-value-of-venting

Sacred Text 02: Everybody Has Something - a conversation between Kate Bowler and Mary Laura Philpott and Kate's podcast Everything Happens - https://open.spotify.com/episode/5rEddnaLdDZF2uchr3RdQf?si=28Ekbv1vQWyspc7UuLKTbQ 

What is your go-to way to rest? And what do you feel after you've done? Refreshed? A little guilty?

This week we talked about rest - and how in this fast-paced life and its constant invitations to do more and be more, making room in our lives to breathe and refresh is just the rebellion we need. 

Petra Bagust unpacks this with guests Todd Muller, who gives a glimpse into his experience of burnout, producer Grace, who gave sabbath a go, poet Strahan Coleman, theologian Sam Bloore, and enneagram coach Rachel King.