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Anna Robinson (from Nomad podcast) on wilderness, wonder and contemplative practices26 Oct 202401:08:54

Anna Robinson is a regular co-host on Nomad podcast, and the founder of LiveLight|DwellDeep. She describes herself as "a contemplative, deeply drawn to the mystics and misfits, those who feel at home in the wilderness."

In this conversation, Will and Anna explore the themes of wonder, contemplative spirituality, and the journey of rediscovering a deeper connection with the divine. They discuss the importance of nurturing a sense of awe in children, the transformative power of contemplative practices, and the significance of embracing doubt and mystery in spiritual journeys. Anna shares her personal experiences with various spiritual practices and the influence of mentors in her life, highlighting the need for a holistic approach to spirituality that integrates daily life with moments of reflection and connection to nature. 

This episode was produced by Meeting Ground and edited by Phil McNab.

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Sally Longley on violence, silence and Ignatian spirituality19 Oct 202400:57:26

In this episode Sally Longley shares her journey from a belief in violence to embracing pacifism and Ignatian spirituality. Sally shares her experiences in South Africa during apartheid, her theological studies, and the transformative power of silence and imagination in spiritual practice. The conversation delves into the complexities of nonviolence, the role of anger and grief, and the importance of silence in modern life, emphasizing that true transformation often requires confronting uncomfortable truths. In this conversation, Will Small and Sally explore the significance of rest, silence, and contemplative practices in a chaotic world. They discuss the essential nature of patience in love, the importance of creating inclusive communities, and the role of spiritual direction in navigating crises of faith. Sally emphasizes the power of deep listening and the need for spaces where individuals can come as they are, fostering a sense of belonging and connection.

Connect more with Sally's work here: https://www.longley.com.au/

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Racial injustice and the Church with Nathan Tyson, Radhika Sukumar-White and Liesl Homes17 Aug 202401:03:04

Hello good people, 

Welcome to the third conversation in our five episode mini-series with UME’s Pulse team. Over the last two weeks we’ve explored generational divides and climate crisis, eco anxiety and the like. 

This week another big conversation. What does it mean to keep faith in a world of racial injustice? Are people of faith in Australia today able to honestly grapple with racism in our history and our present moment? Why does it seem like the church is often no better than the rest of society in this regard? And what might it look like to continue the work of decolonising Christianity and creating anti-racist faith spaces?

This is a big conversation — so much bigger than this podcast episode — but here to spark some of your thinking around these questions I’m joined by Nathan Tyson, Radhika Sukumar-White and Liesl Homes.

Watch this episode on Youtube here.

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Rev. Dr Karina Kreminski on the church of tomorrow (and its mission)29 Oct 202201:01:20

The Reverend Dr. Karina Kreminski is a Mission Coaching Consultant with Uniting Mission & Education. She has a doctorate in missional formation. She’s a writer. She’s a facilitator of ‘The Happiness Lab’ in Surry Hills. She’s co-founder of ‘Neighbourhood Matters’. And as she shares in this conversation, she helps to lead a fascinating Sunday gathering with a crew of people in her hood who come from all different world views and backgrounds to explore spirituality together. 

Karina joined Simon Nixon and I (Will) to continue our chat about the 'church of tomorrow' and what it might look like.

During the chat, we spoke about Karina’s own journey of evolving faith. We spoke about problematic language — and the tendency words like mission can have to sound colonising. We spoke about the significance of the local neighbourhood. And heaps more. 
 
I don’t feel like we gave Karina the easiest questions, and I’m particularly grateful for her honesty throughout the conversation around all the things she’s still trying to figure out. 

We want you to continue to be part of the conversation — so join us in our Facebook group and let us know what you think after listening. 

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Karl Hand on Queer Bible Commentary22 Oct 202200:55:07

Karl Hand is the pastor of Crave Church in Sydney, he has a PhD in the New Testament, and is a contributor to the recently updated Queer Bible Commentary with a chapter on the book of Ephesians.

During our conversation Karl described this beautiful gift that queer people have for using humour as a means of survival in the face of oppression. He describes how in a way Mardis Gras is a response to police brutality involving people dressing up and throwing a party — and when you think about it, this is an incredible example of subversively comical resistance.

It isn’t just police brutality that has been used against queer people historically — often scripture has been tragically used as part of the arsenal of weapons used to discriminate against them. Well, as Karl is going to show us in this conversation, at least one queer response is to re-read the text in brilliantly creative ways that see the humour, even through the trauma.

I’m wary of anyone who says there’s only one way to read the Bible. I firmly believe that if it’s a living word — like I was taught growing up — then we can’t stop it from speaking in different ways to different people at different moments in time. And this conversation with Karl has given me fresh ways to see next time I open my Bible. Listen in, and by the end I hope you’ll be able to say the same thing. If nothing else, may you be inspired by the beautiful creative resistance of queer people.

Check out the Queer Bible Commentary here.

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The church of tomorrow with Simon Nixon15 Oct 202201:00:37

Many of us have experienced significant changes in our faith, spirituality or worldview  in recent years (which by the way is a normal and healthy thing). And of course, those changes are taking place right across human societies in the information age we are living through.  

I’ve heard people speculate that we’re living in a new church reformation — and I think there’s something to that idea. 

So what will the Church of tomorrow look like? We can think about this question as a purely imaginative exercise. Or we can play a role in answering it. By experimenting and starting our own communities. By having large, imaginative conversations where we dream about what’s possible — and then give it a go.

This episode is an attempt to begin a conversation like that.

Through spiritual misfits we want to help you know that you are not alone. It says that every week in the intro. So what could and can communities look like where people move through their processes of change and growth and doubt and faith and all the things together?

Simon Nixon had the idea for this one — and we also threw out the invitation to our Facebook group for anyone who wanted to join us on zoom while we recorded this conversation. It was excellent to see a number of your faces and to spend a little time outside of the recording just connecting with people and hearing where you’re from.

The facebook group is becoming a really great space, so if you’re not already in there feel free to join us, and from time to time we are planning to organise more live recordings you can join us for as well as other online meet-ups.

Let’s shape this thing together. 

Here is the first (of many) conversations about what the church of tomorrow could look like. 


 



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Bruce Macauley on seeing through the eyes of the other08 Oct 202200:53:24

'Either Jesus would come back or Tom would be healed'

This week’s episode is a rather lovely and profound conversation between myself, Hannah and Bruce Macauley (who happens to be her Dad), that is rich in both personal and philosophical wisdom.

Bruce’s faith has changed a lot since the days he believed that Jesus would either return or heal his sons severe autism. 

It’s a journey involving hanging out with homeless people at a caravan park, listening to Richard Rohr sermons on CDs, reading 13th century monks and mystics and eventually heading over to the living school in Albuquerque to learn from father Richard in the flesh.

It was also pretty special to explore some of that journey with reflections from a father and daughter, who have both experienced significant faith change, though in different life stages and circumstances. 

Both Hannah’s parents Bruce and Kerry are incredibly Christlike and beautiful humans. The kind that help me to see the sacred in the very ordinary moments and the very difficult ones.

I'm so grateful for this sharing of some of their story, and I’m sure you will be also. 

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Dr. David Gushee on Christian humanism after evangelicalism01 Oct 202200:57:26

The Reverend Dr David Gushee is one of the world’s leading Christian ethicists as well as a pastor, author and advocate. He’s the author of a range of important books, notably including ‘Changing our Mind’, a landmark argument for LGBTQI+ inclusion in the church first published in 2014. More recently his book ‘After Evangelicalism’ has provided an invaluable guide for many pilgrims trying to find their way out of the maze of American evangelical culture without necessarily knowing where to go from there. 

David’s books have been so helpful for me, so I can’t even tell you how excited I was to have this conversation with him. 

We explored a range of important and interesting questions together, like:

  • How do you extract yourself from evangelicalism while retaining your Christianity? 
  • What might Christian humanism look like for post-evangelicals? 
  • What does it mean to have theology informed by the holocaust?
  • What does responsible, meaningful engagement with scripture look like coming out of spaces that have weaponised it in various ways?

David’s thoughts on all of these questions are well worth your time. He’s warm, intelligent, and gives me hope for the future. I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did. 

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A 'belonging of misfits' (poems and stories live at Hamilton Baptist Church)24 Sep 202200:41:48

A couple weeks ago there was a very special convergence of communities at Hamilton Baptist Church. I know many of you have listened to the episodes with Andrew Dodd and Scott Higgins sharing their stories and the story of Hamilton. If you haven’t listened yet add those to your up next. 

Anyway, Andrew invited me to come along to Hamilton and share some thoughts and poems. And Mitch Forbes and some of the New City Baps crew came along, as well as a few others from Meeting Ground church. So we ended up with a very special mix of people in the room, and honestly it was so lovely to meet a number of podcast listeners in person and to celebrate being a bit of a rag-tag group on the fringes of faith. Which can be a pretty fun place if you make it a party. 

Before the morning Andrew Dodd asked me if we could make this a ‘live’ podcast episode. So that’s what you’re about to hear. Andrew’s the host for this one. And there’s a bit of variety. First, a conversation with Mitch Forbes. Then we hear from one of our listeners, Alison. Shout-out to you Alison. And then the bulk of the episode is a mix of Andrew interviewing me and me sharing some poems around evolving faith and LGBTQI+ inclusion. 
 
This was a lot of fun and I hope you get the sense that you’re in the room with us experiencing the energy of it. 

On that note, if you would be interested in hosting or collaborating on some sort of spiritual misfits meet-up or live gathering, hit us up. Who knows what could happen? 



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Laurie Wevers on deconstruction, therapy and spiritual direction17 Sep 202201:01:52

Laurie Wevers is a spiritual director and a therapist, who works with people at the intersection of religion and trauma. Her work is informed by her own story, growing up within white evangelicalism and with narcissistic parents, yet eventually finding her way towards mystical and contemplative spirituality, including being a student at Richard Rohr’s Living School.

Of course, there are aspects to this story and this work that are deeply painful. Laurie calls these teachers. Our conversation left me with hope though, as Laurie is the kind of person committed to helping people walk into the new. There’s no going backwards, she told me, only progress, and the discovery of what that looks like for each different person. 

As I spoke to Laurie I felt like she was exactly the kind of guide that many people need as they navigate the disorienting and uncharted territory of leaving certain spaces, without knowing where to next. 

We spoke about what this journey might look like for people, and towards the end we got into some really interesting territory talking about what kind of communities might help facilitate this process as well.

You can check out more of Laurie’s work and connect with her here, otherwise I hope this conversation is helpful for you, where ever you are in your own journey.


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Monasteries, mustard seeds and all this mess10 Sep 202200:33:55

Earlier this week I was sitting in my lounge room, which generally looks like a tornado (aka children) has swept through the place, reading Thomas Merton on the contemplative life. At first, this seemed slightly humorous, as my life couldn't feel any further from the 'monastery' right now. 

But it got me thinking. And I started to ponder my favourite parable Jesus told about a mustard seed. Which potentially means something quite different to what it sounds like on the surface. 

And the parable about the mustard seed and the moment with Merton in my chaotic lounge room started to help me some big things in fresh ways. 

So here are some thoughts about all of that. Followed by a short 'examen' prayer I'm inviting you to join me for if you'd like to.

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Kissing purity culture goodbye (and the pursuit of a better sexual ethic for our kids?)03 Sep 202201:01:40

Did you grow up within ‘purity culture’? 

If you’re unsure, here are some signs that maybe you did: 

  • You or your friends had a crack at ‘kissing dating goodbye.’
  • God’s love seemed entirely contingent upon your sexual abstinence
  • You got the impression that boys/men were unable to control their sexual desires, and girls/women were entirely responsible for any ‘sexual immorality.’ 
  • Sex outside of marriage felt like the worst and most shameful thing you could possibly do…
  • …after getting married though, a flip would switch and sex would suddenly be an amazing gift from God! 

The epicentre of purity culture was evangelical America in the 90s. But it certainly made its way to Australian shores. 

In this week’s episode of the podcast, Hannah and I reflect on our own experiences of purity culture and the ‘hangover’ left in its wake. 

Towards the end of the episode we turn our attention towards the question of what we would like to pass on to our own kids when it comes to understanding sexuality and spirituality. Is there a Christian sexual ethic that ditches the shame while still treating our sexuality with care and sensitivity? 

We don’t claim to have an answer to this question. But we at least want to talk about it! 


We reference several books in this episode that are worth reading if you want a deeper dive after this discussion: 

Pure, Linda Kay Klein
Jesus and John Wayne, Kristin Kobes Du Mez
After Evangelicalism, David Gushee
The Deeply Formed Life, Rich Villodas

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Pub theology: fracturing denominations (with Mitch Forbes)27 Aug 202201:06:33

Mitch and I riff on some questions from the Facebook discussion group and then get into a slightly more impassioned discussion about fracturing denominations, peoples obsession with sexuality and why 'sola scripture' logically leads to polarisation. 

Questions we discuss from the Facebook group: 
- Divinisation/theosis. Did God really become human, so we could become God? 
- Missing texts from the Bible. Are we missing out? 
- What did it mean for Jesus to be ‘fully human’? Was he limited to the thinking of the time and all the ignorance / belief systems that came with it? Or did he somehow still contain all the wisdom of the cosmos in that human body and chose not to share the knowledge that would come from future discoveries etc?
- What’s the deal with the Diocese of the Southern Cross? 

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Navigating eco-anxiety, finding ways forward with Joyce Tangi, Karina Kreminski & Jono Row10 Aug 202400:48:30

Hello again good people!

This is the second in our series of 5 collaborative conversations hosted by Spiritual Misfits and the Uniting Mission and Education Pulse team, exploring major challenges in our world today and the kind of faith that doesn’t shy away from them or just respond with unhelpful platitudes.

And this week we’re delving into a huge topic. If faith doesn’t have something to say about climate crisis, about eco anxiety, about what it means to care for and advocate for this one planet that we have — then, what good is that faith? On the other hand, how might our spirituality and the Christian tradition help ground us — literally reconnect us to the ground beneath our feet. That is what Joyce Tangi, Karina Kreminski and Jono Row join me to discuss in this episode. 

You can watch the full filmed conversation on YouTube here if that’s your jam, you can also download our accompanying discussion guide to use in your context.

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Hannah interviews Will about all the things20 Aug 202200:59:55

Will does the majority of the interviews on this podcast, so Hannah decided it was time to flip the roles around and interview him. Will gave Hannah permission to play the role of investigative journalist and grill him.... there may not have been any 'gotcha' moments, but the wide-ranging conversation did include:

  •  the origins of 'spiritual misfits'
  • things Will regrets from his teenage years
  • the biggest thing Will is struggling with spiritually
  • thoughts about the creative process, 
  • thoughts about staying positive when things feel like they're falling apart.

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Jo Saxton on grief, lament, race and gender13 Aug 202200:48:33

Hello friends!

As I mentioned last week, with the birth of a new member of our family, I’ve dug out a couple of my favourite interviews from other shows I’ve hosted in the past, while I take a short break from doing interviews. This week’s conversation is truly top-shelf in my opinion and I’m sure you’ll learn something if you listen.

For this week, I’ve grabbed an interview my friend Benj Gould and I originally did for the Forming Church podcast. We interviewed a diverse range of people about what the future of the church might look like in a post-pandemic world (taking into consideration all the other cultural and technological shifts we have been living through in recent years).

This was a very special chat with Jo Saxton. Jo was born in London to parents who immigrated from Nigeria, and now lives in the US. She’s an internationally sought after author, speaker and leadership coach, and as you’ll see she’s just brilliant.

We spoke with Jo about grief, lament, and both racial and gender inequality, and how the church of the future must genuinely grapple with these things if it’s going to survive and thrive.

This interview was done in February 2021, and involves some COVID-specific reflections from that moment in time, but the majority of the conversation remains incredibly relevant for where we are right now.

This is a conversation about some topics that’d can be difficult to speak about, but remain so deeply important. Check it out, and then join us in our Facebook discussion group to share your thoughts.

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Joel McKerrow on removing the blindfolds06 Aug 202200:40:04

Joel McKerrow is a poet and educator. He speaks to large groups of people. He writes wonderful books. He occasionally paints skateboards or does wood carvings. He’s one of those people who is basically brilliant at everything he does. And he has a deep understanding of the winding pilgrimage that honest spirituality entails. 

A couple years ago Joel published a book called ‘Woven: a Faith for the Dissatisfied’. It’s a great book that most listeners of this podcast would deeply resonate with. Head to joelmckerrow.com after the episode to grab a copy.

I actually did this interview with Joel during the launch tour for the book. We were speaking about self-awareness and the spiritual journey, and we cover a whole lot of interesting ground during this chat. It is well worth your time. 

This interview originally appeared on the Inhabit podcast, which I use to make with my buddy Benj Gould. If you haven’t listened to that show, you may be interested in checking it out, there’s lots of good episodes there.

Content warning: Joel shares a story in this episode which involves sexual assault and abuse which may be sensitive for some listeners. Please take care while listening and reach out to a support service if you need help.


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Simon Buckingham-Shum on the DNA of communal, creative worship (and 90s dance music)30 Jul 202200:52:03

Prepare for an experience with this one…featuring some tunes that are bound to get you moving! 

Simon Buckingham Shum is an academic who works at the intersection of education, technology and ethics. 

But, today we’re talking about his experiences as a part of a movement of alternative expressions of liturgy, worship and church back in the 90s in England.

I was fascinated the first time Simon shared about some of these experiences with me and although I was never really into electronic dance music, Simon was ultimately talking about creative pioneering and experimentation and trying to find new ways of engaging the sacred And that’s a bigger conversation than any particular musical genre. 

 In the decades since then Simon’s faith journey has seen its own evolutions, and he’s been in a few different spaces stylistically as well as theologically. 

So, in this conversation we’re following the threads of a particular story but we’re also talking about more broadly about the interwoven relationships between communities, creativity,  forms of worship and our underlying motivations.

Simon’s also written a really helpful reflective piece of writing about this journey. It’s immersive and includes pictures of event flyers from that time. That’s on our website here and I would recommend you read it alongside listening to this episode, as they play off each other.

After listening join us in our Facebook discussion group to share your thoughts and keep the conversation going. 


Music in this episode:

“I Lift My Cup (To The Spirit Divine”) by Gloworm 1992 (5 mixes) https://hoojchoons.bandcamp.com/album/i-lift-my-cup-to-the-spirit-divine

“Miserere” by Sue Wallace (composed for Visions services in early 90s). More tracks at: https://suevisions.bandcamp.com

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Graeme Anderson on following Jesus for the next 10 minutes23 Jul 202200:55:21

I think a lot of us have come to know the forms of Christianity that we don’t want. We’ve seen politicised versions of faith that we want nothing to do with. We’ve witnessed institutional failings, scandals and cover-ups that we want to distance ourselves from. But, sometimes it’s harder to answer the question, what now? How do I put the pieces back together?

A few years ago someone told me it’s not enough to know what you’re running away from. You’ll be sustained by knowing what you’re running towards. I think there’s a lot of wisdom in that. 

So, the question is,  are there more attractive, beautiful, faithful, life-giving ways of following Jesus? When I see people embodying and giving voice to authentic answers to this question it gives me great hope. 
 
 Graeme Anderson is one of those people. He’s a pastor at Northside Baptist in Crows Nest, Sydney and over many years his understanding of what it means to follow Jesus and to live in the kingdom Jesus described has evolved significantly. It’s moved from a knowledge-based, propositional faith to an embodied, open, generous way of being in the world that is attentive to what love might look like here and now. 

To help other people experience this Graeme’s written a book called Follow — and created a range of accompanying resources including a 4 week email devotional series. I’ve just finished it and was genuinely surprised at how refreshing, accessible and invitational it was. If you’re interested you can check it out at follow.org.au 

Here’s a conversation with Graeme about what following Jesus might look like when we feel our institutions have let us down. 

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Cheryl Andrews on shame-free spirituality16 Jul 202200:52:58

Cheryl Andrews is a social worker and counsellor, with a broad range of experiences in particular, working with young people and their families. She is someone who embodies warmth and wisdom in equal measure. And in this chat we’re mainly talking about shame, and the ways it can impact our spirituality, and what it might look like to develop a more shame-free faith.  

Cheryl brings reflections on her own journey as well as insights from her professional context in this chat, which I think is helpful for anyone who ever struggles with shame — which is surely most of us. 

So, listen, soak it in. And if helps you, pass it on to someone else who may benefit from these ideas. 

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Pub theology with Mitch Forbes09 Jul 202200:57:38

There are theology textbooks and academic lectures, and they can be just fine, but is there any better place to discuss God, the universe and everything than over a drink with your mates at the pub? 

Well, the good Rev Mitch Forbes and I (Will) don’t think so, and there’s few things we enjoy more than sipping a delicious bev and externally processing what we’ve been reading, hearing and thinking about. 

So, we’ve decided to do our best to emulate the kind of sprawling chat we enjoy having at a pub in podcast form, so you can (hopefully) feel like we’re at a table together, clinking glasses and getting philosophical about divinity, humanity and the space in between. 

Crack a tinny and join us for a chat about whether or not it matters which God you believe in, what the reconciliation of all things might look like, and a little riffing on open theism and process theology. A large part of the conversation involved our responses to some excellent questions people asked in our new Spiritual Misfits discussion group on Facebook. (Yes, you should click that link and join the group. Then you can let us know what questions we should explore next time!)

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Steff Fenton on gender expansive theology02 Jul 202200:56:22

This week’s episode is a fantastic chat with Steff Fenton. Steff is a pastor at NewCity Church, along with Joel Hollier who you may remember from our earlier episode. 

On Steff’s website they introduce themselves as follows: “I’m a genderqueer pastor, writer, speaker and theologian helping people discover how endlessly loving God is.”

And the way Steff speaks about God is deep and wide and beautiful.  

We had a chat about gender expansive theology, and explored all kinds of interesting questions around gender, theology, church, scripture and all that jazz. 

 What I loved about this conversation was Steff took us beyond what it might look to accept or include trans and gender diverse people in church, to actually asking what role might these wonderful humans have in showing us something about what God is like? 

I think this episode contains an invitation, to see both God and humanity in a more expansive way. I hope that’s your experience, as you listen. 


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Benjamin Hastings on honest worship and feeling alone in the flock25 Jun 202200:57:57

Benjamin Hastings is an incredibly gifted songwriter and lyricist, most known for some of the songs he’s written with Hillsong, including ‘So Will I’, ‘O Praise the Name’ and ‘Highlands’. His songs collectively have more than 500 million streams.

Hillsong worship leaders probably  aren’t the image you typically think of when you hear the phrase ‘Spiritual Misfit’. But our conversation with Ben was a great reminder that human beings — whether on platforms or in lounge rooms — have questions. Live within mystery. And doubt. And faith. And mess. And beauty. 

This is what honest spirituality looks like. 

And Ben is a true spiritual seeker, not satisfied with easy answers, and deeply committed to bringing his whole mind, heart and being to the search for deep truth.

Ben shared some of his own story with us — about the unravelling and the searching and the creative process in the midst of it all. And it was such a joy.

And as an incredibly special treat, Ben played us two of our favourite songs of his at the end of our chat. Stick around to the end of the episode and you’ll hear these songs played exclusively for our Spiritual Misfits community.

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Mandy Smith on childlike faith and resisting the empire18 Jun 202201:01:09

This episode is a chat with Mandy Smith. Mandy is a pastor and author of multiple books including The Vulnerable Pastor and Unfettered — a book about imagining a childlike faith beyond the baggage of western culture. That book has a foreword by Walter Brueggemann. And if you know who Walter is, you know that’s one of the finest endorsements you can get. 

I have really loved listening to the way Mandy speaks about Christian faith because it has reminded me how beautifully and radically upside down and unconventional Jesus is, in so many ways. In this episode we talk a lot about what it means to approach faith with a child-like posture, with an open heart that listens to our bodies and emotions and intuitions and says ‘yes’ to what might just be the prompts of the spirit in our ordinary, daily lives. 
 
 We also speak about the difference between ‘empire ways’ of doing things and ‘kingdom ways’ of doing things. We talk about the violence that life under the empire can do to our human-ness, and the way Jesus wants to restore our humanity

Chatting to Mandy felt like layers of reminders and invitations. To see the value in what it means to be human. To start the day with an open heart. And to say yes. To God, to life, to love.

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‘My Generational Deconstruction’ with Joanna Drayton, Ken Day and Ella Evans03 Aug 202401:02:50

Spiritual Misfits and Uniting Mission and Education's Pulse team have collaborated to bring you a series of conversations about 5 pressing challenges we face on planet earth today, and the kind of faith that may help emerging generations to navigate and engage with them.

In this conversation a Boomer (Ken Day), Gen X (Joanna Drayton), Millennial (Will Small) and Gen Z (Ella Evans) discuss generational divides and opportunities in the realm of spirituality and community.

Watch this episode on YouTube

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Scott Higgins & Andrew Dodd Pt 2: lessons of inclusion11 Jun 202200:43:26

Hello friends and welcome back to the Spiritual Misfits podcast,

This episode is the second half of one extended conversation I had with Andrew Dodd and Scott Higgins. If you haven’t listened to the previous episode where Scott and Andrew shared their own journeys towards inclusive theology and the story of Hamilton Baptist Church, I strongly recommend you do so. 

 In case you don’t or if you need a recap, here’s an outline of the story so far: 

Scott Higgins wrote a paper back in the 90s giving an overview of different Christian perspectives on sexuality. In many ways this was the beginning for him of coming to see theological diversity in this area. A few years down the track and he’s asked to read a statement to his church affirming that Baptists hold to a traditional view of marriage. Scott couldn’t bring himself to read it, but instead asked the church who would be interested in taking a few weeks to explore some diverse understandings of sexuality, marriage and Christian ethics. Every hand went up. 

As the church began to have these conversations a number of queer people were drawn to come along — and ended up staying in the church. The combination of fresh theological framing alongside real and loved members of their community played a key role in what was then Edgeworth Baptist becoming LGBTQI affirming.

While this was happening there was also a conversation beginning with Hamilton Baptist Church where Andrew Dodd was the pastor. This conversation was about the two churches merging. This made sense for a lot of reasons, though Edgeworth had one non-negotiable. If the churches were going to merge, LGBTQI+ people needed to be fully included and embraced in the life of the new church. So the two churches went on a process together over around 12 months, testing the waters of their relationship so to speak, before officially deciding to proceed with the merge. At this point the vast majority of people were onboard. This doesn’t mean it was without cost or difficulty and some people left, though this was generally done in a gracious way. 

At the end of the last episode Andrew shared the story of their first service together as a new church, and the powerful moment when communion was served by a queer member of the congregation. What was powerful wasn’t so much this person sharing out communion. It was the fact that it didn’t matter that this person was sharing out communion. Because they were welcome as much as anyone else. 

So, in this next part of the conversation I talked to Andrew and Scott about what they learned from this journey that might inform other churches. 
 
 There’s another element of this story that’s important. The change Andrew and Scott have led at Hamilton — is not one that everyone is ready for. And in Andrew’s words Hamilton is now in a somewhat precarious position within the NSW Baptist denomination.

So we talk a little about change,

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Scott Higgins & Andrew Dodd: how Hamilton Baptist became LGBTQI+ affirming04 Jun 202200:56:15

Here’s a conversation that weaves together multiple threads into one really powerful story. It’s a story about change and about the process of change — at an individual level as well as in a broader community. 

 Scott Higgins and Andrew Dodd are friends, pastors, and together help lead the community of Hamilton Baptist Church. This is their story of moving towards LGBTQI+ affirming theology. It’s also a story of merging two churches into one. And it’s the story of bringing those two Baptist churches through a process integrating theology, personal stories and pastoral sensitivity to become one church where everyone is genuinely welcomed and embraced, including those of diverse gender and sexualities. 
 
Depending on where you listen from this might not seem like a big deal — but in terms of their state denominational context Scott and Andrew were kind of the first ones to do this. And going first always carries extra layers of risk and complexity.  

Scott, Andrew and I spent a couple hours together discussing this story because there’s so much to learn from it — and so, next week’s episode is actually the continuation of this one. Essentially what you’re about to listen to is primarily about the story of Scott, Andrew and Hamilton Baptist Church. The next episode zooms the lens out and asks how might this inform other contexts. 

But for this week let’s start with the story. Join me, Scott and Andrew sitting at Andrew’s table in Warabrook.  

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Simon Nixon on a new approach to faith, church and ministry28 May 202201:04:39

After 15 years in pastoral ministry Simon Nixon found his beliefs and approach to ministry radically shifting. We explore what that looked like in this conversation, and talk a little about one of the positive outcomes: the formation of a new community called Fireside, another safe space for spiritual misfits.

The Church at large is in a significant time of transition. I believe we’re going to see more decentralised and organic expressions of faith communities in the years to come. Many of us, including Simon and I, have benefited from digital access to a range of voices and thinkers who have helped us see faith afresh (and I hope that for listeners of this show that’s also what’s taking place here). But what does it look like to pair our access to voices who may be far away from us with flesh and blood communities, in our local neighbourhoods? Simon and I are both interested in this question, so we explored some thoughts around the landscape of what that might look like. 

Simon’s also studying counselling at the moment and one of the things we touched on was a concept in the counselling space called ‘unconditional positive regard’ — it provides a beautiful lens for thinking through community formation and we explore this a little in this conversation also.  

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Affirmations: trust > certainty21 May 202200:06:52

There can often be this perception that faith is just about belief. And when your beliefs feel strong, your faith is strong. 

This can mean that on the days when you feel uncertain, unsure or disoriented, you begin to blame yourself for having a weak faith. 

But, what if the whole time we’ve been conceiving of faith in a manner that is a little distorted? 

In his book ‘The Sin of Certainty’, Pete Enns puts it this way: 

"I believe that the Bible does not model a faith that depends on certainty for the simple fact that the Bible does not provide that kind of certainty. Rather, in all its messy diversity, the Bible models trust in God that does not rest on whether we are able to be clear and certain about what to believe. In fact, the words “belief” and “faith” in the Bible are just different ways of saying “trust.” And trust works, regardless of where our knowing happens to be."

When you stop thinking about faith as believing certain ideas, and instead begin to think about trusting — in God’s goodness and love — it can totally change the lens you’re looking through. 

 Here are a set of affirmations for when you need reminding about this alternative lens.

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Mitch Forbes (pt.2) on why our beliefs about hell matter here and now14 May 202201:04:40

A couple episodes back Mitch Forbes and I (Will) had a chat about heaven, hell and universal salvation. We spoke about 3 different views of hell that have existed from the beginning of the Christian church and our journeys towards the view that an all-loving and all-powerful God actually can and will reconcile and renew all people.

Here Mitch and I continue that chat. If you haven’t already it’s probably worth going back and listening to the previous episode with Mitch before this one. There is more assumed knowledge this time round. 

Fair warning, the first half of this chat is a little heavy on the philosophy and theology and may not be everyone’s cup of tea. If you like sitting in a pub and philosophising over a beer and quoting theologians you will probably dig it. If that’s not your jam, there’s no judgment here. (See what I did there?)

In the second half of the chat though we do turn the conversation towards the real world implications of our views around eternity and salvation. We get a little more ‘down to earth’ around the difference these beliefs can make when you wake up on Monday morning.

Multiple times throughout this conversation Mitch references this beautiful verse from 1 John 4:16: ‘God is love. Whoever lives in love, lives in God, and God in them.’

If you don’t take anything else away from this maybe those words are more than enough.

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The unholy hustle and the sacred now07 May 202200:50:36

Hannah and Will explore what it means to live full lives in a hustle-centric world. Does our Christianity present an antidote to our busyness and striving? Does it add fuel to the fire? A little a and a little b?

A conversation about our modern attention crisis, capitalist infused Christianity, PreachersNSneakers, Mary & Martha, tattooed feet, and the importance of giving your oxen time off from plowing the field.

Here are some of the books mentioned in this conversation:
Stolen Focus, Johann Hari
PreachersNSneakers, Ben Kirby
The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry, John Mark Comer 

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Mitch Forbes on heaven, hell and universal salvation30 Apr 202201:02:31

Could it be that the good news of the gospel is that God actually loves and will save everyone? Mitch and I (Will) think the arguments that this is the case are pretty convincing. We discuss the views of hell we grew up with and how these have shifted over time towards belief in universally reconciling love in Christ.

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Kris Halliday on being gay, Christian & called23 Apr 202200:40:13

Kris Halliday is a Salvation Army Officer in inner city Melbourne. He’s passionate about serving people at the margins and sharing the love of God. He’s also gay. In this conversation he shares his story of faith, sexuality, and advocating for a more inclusive, imaginative and equitable future for the church.

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Good Friday Meditation: Psalm 2214 Apr 202200:13:54

This Good Friday I wanted to share with you a meditation on Psalm 22. 

Grab a candle, find a comfortable place to sit and spend 15 minutes listening.

The meditation begins with a moment to help you become grounded and aware of your body and breath, followed by a reading of the Psalm, and a simple thought at the end for you to meditate on. 

Whatever Easter holds for you, I hope this meditation encourages you and connects you with the love of Christ. 

Wishing all our fellow spiritual misfits a Happy Easter, 

Will on behalf of Meeting Ground Church.

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Dr Christine Redwood on women, the Bible and the pulpit09 Apr 202200:56:19

Hi friends, 

This week I was grateful to spend some time with Christine Redwood — now Dr Christine Redwood I should say, as she just completed a PhD which we explore in this conversation. Christine’s the lead pastor at Seaforth Baptist Church, and her research examined feminist readings of stories of women in the Old Testament book of Judges and how this might relate to women leading and preaching in the Church today. 

Fair warning, these are some graphic, R-rated Bible stories. And to hear some of the ways feminist scholars read them was super interesting. 

As our conversation progressed we got into some fascinating questions around God and gender pronouns, the Bible and its patriarchal context, and the dynamics of being part of a diverse movement (in this case Baptists) while outworking your convictions in a particular, local context. 

I got so much out of chatting with Christine, and I hope you will too. I think there’s a lot of gold here whether you are leading in an established church context or you’ve left mainstream church settings. I also think there’s so much here for you regardless of your gender. I’m a firm believer that when we talk about the place of women in the Bible, the Church, the pulpit etc — men, we need to show up to these conversations and actively listen. 

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Christine Redwood, Belinda Groves & Nathan Nettleton on the Open Baptists27 Jul 202401:01:06

In this episode Will is joined by Christine Redwood, Belinda Groves and Nathan Nettleton to discuss the emergence of the Open Baptists, a new Baptist movement within Australia. The Open Baptists seek to reimagine what it means to work together as Baptist churches, focusing on partnership, collective decision-making, and freedom of conscience. They hope to retain the Baptist identity while challenging the abuse of power and the exclusion of certain groups...that has happened in other Baptist spaces in recent years!

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Keywords
Open Baptists, Baptist community, emergence, movement, partnership, collective decision-making, freedom of conscience, Baptist identity, abuse of power, inclusion, Open Baptists, Jesus, sexuality, community, welcome, church, faith, lament, healing, joy, alternative, Baptist churches, differences, mission, conversation, Holy Spirit

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Power, patriarchy, scandals & where is God in it all?02 Apr 202201:00:43
Hi friends, 

Hannah joins me (Will) again for this week's podcast! And we cover a lot of ground in this chat.

In this episode we speak a fair bit about recent events within the evangelical church that you may or may not be familiar with. We do our best to give context, but if we accidentally assumed some ‘insider knowledge’ anywhere I apologise for that. There are links below to a number of the individuals and situations we make reference to if you want to get more familiarised. 

Whilst we were reflecting on some specific recent events, we were also just grappling with what these are symptomatic of. This isn’t really intended to be a ‘hot take’, it’s really just our own attempt to process and make sense of some of the patterns and trends we see, that ought to give us all pause for thought. 

As we are discussing allegations of clergy abuse and imbalanced power dynamics in religious settings, you may want to proceed with caution if these have been lived realities of yours. 

As always, take care while listening, and reach out to someone for support if you need it. 

In this episode we make reference to the following people, situations and resources: 

Bruxy Cavey's sexual misconduct and The Meeting House
Danielle Strickland and Jarrod McKenna's response (cited in the article above)
Beth Moore and this series of tweets
Brian Houston's resignation from Hillsong
Dan Koch, You Have Permission Podcast
Jesus and John Wayne, Kristin Kobe Du Mez

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Dr Joel Hollier on finding a place at the table.26 Mar 202200:55:39

On this weeks episode we have a delightful and important conversation with the wonderful Joel Hollier. Joel is one clever fella with degrees in social work and theology, and a PhD in Behavioural Science. He’s also a co-paster of New City Church. Joel has a story to tell that many of us need to hear — about his journey of being a gay Christian, originally preaching that this required celibacy though through grappling with scripture and the holy spirit coming to be very ok with being married to another man and continuing to follow Jesus and minister as a pastor. 

In this episode we do talk about trauma and the psychological harm and abuse sexually and gender diverse people can experience in spiritual settings. If these are part of your story, this episode may bring things up. So be gentle with yourself, decide if listening is going to be helpful and reach out for support if you need it. 

If you are a church leader, and/or if you hold a traditionalist view in these matters, this may be a confronting listen for you, but listening is the very least we can do for our LGBTQI+ siblings - so please, can I encourage you, take the time and listen well — trying to place aside your judgments at the outset.

Joel is a deeply gracious, kind and inspiring human. I think we can all learn from him. Here is our conversation. 

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Affirmations: when others misunderstand or judge me19 Mar 202200:06:54

One of the most distressing experiences we can have is to be rejected or judged by our own tribe.

Our need for belonging and connection is so strong, that it makes it incredibly difficult to ask a question or express a view that might cross a boundary and threaten our place in a community. 

This is the pain point of many spiritual misfits. We have a deep God-given need for community. We also have a deep God-given need to be authentic and honest. When these two things come into conflict we can find ourselves in a really dark place. 

There’s this moment in the gospel of Luke where Jesus is talking about how John the Baptist didn’t eat or drink and was accused of being demon possessed. And then Jesus himself, is accused of being a drunkard and a glutton because he’s constantly partying with the wrong people. 

Sometimes whether you take path A or B you’re still going to be misunderstood.

I take great hope in this: if John the Baptist and Jesus had scathing critics from within their own tribe, and yet kept faithfully walking the path they felt called to — maybe we could do the same? 

My deep hope for you is that you would find genuine community and permission to be honest and authentic. I believe that’s what God invites us to participate in and to offer to others. 

But at certain points along the way you may need to seperate yourself from the judgments of others. You may need to remind yourself that their rejection does not equate to God’s rejection of you. 

I remember as a kid being taught that I was never alone because God was always with me, even if I was the only one in the room. That was a reassuring belief as a 5 year old. Now, in my 30s it still is. 

Here are a set of affirmations for when you find yourself misunderstood or rejected by your own tribe. You are not alone, and you have not been abandoned by God. 


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Robyn van der Zee on spiritual abuse and trauma12 Mar 202200:48:43

Robyn van der Zee is a psychologist and counsellor who spends a significant amount of time helping people process experiences of spiritual abuse and trauma. 

As this is the case, we want to give you a heads up that if you have personally experienced these things you may want to take a moment to work out whether it’s helpful for you to continue listening. Robyn does offer some great words for survivors and we don’t go into any detailed situations — but we acknowledge this is sensitive territory. So if you need to listen with a safe person, or if you need to reach out to someone after listening please do. Or if you decide you’re not ready to listen to this conversation right now, that is totally fine. 

If you lead or help shape any church or organisation we strongly encourage you to sit with this conversation and consider how it might inform the way you approach these issues in your context. It is our hope that this episode could be a resource that is shared around to create greater awareness and prevent more harm. 



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Hannah Macauley Gierhart on working through the cognitive dissonance05 Mar 202200:38:19

Will and Hannah have a fireside chat (of sorts) about why Hannah identifies as a spiritual misfit, and how her journey of following Jesus in (and out) of different contexts has unfolded over time. 

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Affirmations: God's love and my doubt.26 Feb 202200:06:00

You may have heard the phrase ‘dark night of the soul’, originally attributed to St. John of the Cross. A mystic and poet. This idea of darkness refers to the invisibility and unknowabilty of God and is often used to describe the moments that feel like a crisis of faith. 

When you don’t know what to make of things anymore. 

Maybe what was once easy to believe has become very difficult. Maybe what once held together feels like it’s falling apart.

And if it’s a dark night of the soul, we can maintain hope that morning light will come. Things won’t always feel like this. 

But, how do we make it through the existential angst of those dark nights? 

I was speaking with my friend Rach about this a while ago, and she had started to write a list of affirmations to hold onto when the light felt dim. I immediately thought — these could really help other people. 

So you’re about to hear Rach share some of her affirmations. 

And I encourage you as you listen, to make a note of any that particularly resonate with you. You might want to choose one or two of these that you can memorise or write down somewhere, and hold onto it when you need to.  

We’re going to release a few of these in coming weeks, themed around slightly different areas we might be struggling with. 

This first one, is about things we can affirm regarding how a loving God would see us - even when our faith feels frayed. 

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At my parents table (faith renovations over decades)19 Feb 202200:38:22

It’s a natural and healthy part of development to ‘differentiate’ from your parents/carers. 

Even if you grew up in a safe, secure and loving environment there comes a point at which you begin to take ownership for your life, your values and your beliefs. 

As I reflect on the household I grew up in, I feel like my parents gave me two great gifts (among many others):

1. They passed on their beliefs and practices for understanding the world.
2. They cultivated a sense of permission to explore beyond the boundaries of these. 

Undoubtedly, my experience is partly reflective of being the 5th (out of 6) kids. By the time my folks got to me they’d had a decent amount of practice/levelling out. 

Either way, I have this strong sense that the capacity I feel that I have to honestly explore the doubts, questions and frustrations of faith, while maintaining a core belief that the centre of this Jesus tradition is goodness and love and liberation - I owe much of this to the generosity and flexibility of my folks’ faith. 

So, on a recent visit to their home I pulled out the mics, and convinced them to have a cup of tea and a chinwag with me about how their view of God has changed, expanded and been challenged over their lifetimes. 

If my generation is going to make it to our 60s with some form of robust, healthy Christian spirituality, we need role models like these. I hope you have them. If not, I hope this episode gives you a window into the ‘gentle renovations’ that can take place in healthy, life-long faith (befriended by doubt). 

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Jesus (still) weeps12 Feb 202200:12:09

This week, my friend showed me the rejection letters. 

Not from a publishing house rejecting a manuscript. 

Not from a university rejecting an enrolment. 

The letters are from the church she grew up  in. And their rejection is of her...


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Guided Reflection (no music) - for when you haven't got it all figured out05 Feb 202200:09:45

We want to use this podcast feed to create conversations that spark your grey matter. But we also want to help you develop practices that connect your mind, body and heart with the sacred. With love. With Christ. 

So this episode is an invitation. Into some space. A moment — to breathe, to be still, to become centred. We’ll be making a few of these over time, that you can use whenever you want to. 

Try and listen somewhere free from as many distractions as possible.

You may want to walk while you listen. 

Or perhaps you want to sit in a comfortable chair, and close your eyes.

Are you ready? 

Note: there are two versions of this guided reflection. One with backing music and one without it. So you can trial both and use whichever one you find more helpful. 

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Guided Reflection (with music) - for when you haven't got it all figured out.05 Feb 202200:09:45

We want to use this podcast feed to create conversations that spark your grey matter. But we also want to help you develop practices that connect your mind, body and heart with the sacred. With love. With Christ. 

So this episode is an invitation. Into some space. A moment — to breathe, to be still, to become centred. We’ll be making a few of these over time, that you can use whenever you want to. 

Try and listen somewhere free from as many distractions as possible.

You may want to walk while you listen. 

Or perhaps you want to sit in a comfortable chair, and close your eyes.

Are you ready?

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Karen Pack on starting loved and restoring the erased20 Jul 202401:03:04

The Reverend Dr Karen Pack is a religious historian, ordained Christian minister, Commonwealth-registered marriage celebrant, and current President of Spiritual Care Australia. For over twenty five years she has been engaged in training pastors, chaplains, leaders and teachers in Australia, North America, Africa, Asia and the Middle East. Her doctoral research explored the marginalization and erasure of women and LGBTQ+ Christians from religious histories in Australia.

In this conversation, Karen shares about the kind of faith she grew up with and the deep sense of calling she had from a young age. She then shares about losing her employment at a Bible College after coming out as a queer woman, in a relationship. We then discuss what she found on the other side of that experience, and the way she continues to live out her sense of calling in the world. Karen also shares about her doctoral research into the erasure of women and LGBTQI+ folks in the recorded histories of Christianity in Australia. 

This is a vulnerable, moving, challenging and deeply important conversation, and a gift to all who take the time to listen. 

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Bronte Hughes on Jesus & Social Work29 Jan 202200:38:44

Welcome to the official first episode of the Spiritual Misfits podcast.

If you’ve ever found yourself on the fringes of Christian faith this is a safe space for you. Your questions, doubts and hopes are all welcome here. 

We’re creating conversations, affirmations, meditations and other resources to support you on your spiritual journey and let you know that even if you feel like a misfit, you don’t have to feel alone. 

Our first episode is a conversation with Bronte Hughes about social work, Jesus and more.

A quick note at the beginning here. Towards the end of our conversation Bronte and I explored some of our reactions to the recent Rise and Fall of Mars Hill podcast from Christianity Today. During this conversation we touch on gender issues though we don’t necessarily unpack them in the depth they deserve. We certainly hope to do this in future episodes. After our chat Bronte and I wanted to note that we neglected to mention non-binary people and the impact of gender inequality on their experience in churches. So please bear that in mind as you listen and may we all continue to learn in this space together.

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Spiritual Misfits: Our Story23 Jan 202200:02:23

Hi friends, 

My name’s Will and a little while ago some friends and I started a little church called Meeting Ground. 

Many of us grew up in the church but somewhere along the way we found ourselves in positions you may be familiar with. 
 
 Some of our beliefs didn’t make sense anymore. We saw gaps between the teachings of Jesus and the culture of many churches. Some of us had experienced spiritual abuse or trauma or were excluded from faith communities for one reason or another. Some of us just felt like the church wasn’t set up to handle our honest questions about God, the bible or difficult areas of theology. 

 Some of us left. Some of us stayed. Either way, we found ourselves on the fringes of faith, trying to hold onto the beautiful and life-giving parts, while trying to let go of toxic or harmful stuff. 

I fundamentally believe that faith and doubt are both best experienced in safe community. And so one of the worst things that can happen is having to process deep spiritual questions, painful experiences or evolving beliefs in isolation.

That’s kind of why we started Meeting Ground — to be a safe place for misfits in process.

I believe there are life-giving theologies, practices and communities oriented around Jesus. I also believe healthy community ought to be inclusive — and welcome people to the table at all stages in their journey. This can be messy. But it’s worth it. It’s beautiful. It seems to me at least like something Jesus would be into. 

So, this podcast is part of a larger body of work we are creating to let misfits everywhere know, you aren’t alone — and there’s a place at the table for you. 

We’re creating reflections, meditations, liturgies, conversations and other resources to help you on your spiritual journey. 

You may feel like a spiritual misfit. But you don’t have to feel alone. 

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Thomas Jay Oord on 'God After Deconstruction'13 Jul 202401:01:26

In this conversation, Will Small, Thomas Jay Oord, and Becca De Souza discuss open and relational theology, the challenges of suffering, and the process of deconstruction and reconstruction in faith. They also touch on the topic of LGBTQ+ affirmation within religious institutions. Thomas shares his personal journey from a classical theist position to open and relational theology, emphasizing the importance of understanding God's power as love. The conversation explores the need for a faith that embraces doubt and uncertainty while still providing comfort and meaning. They also discuss the role of certainty in children's faith development and the importance of allowing space for questioning and exploration. They explore the idea that salvation is not just liberation from pain, but also survival and quality of life, requiring the cooperation of both God and humanity. They also delve into the role of prayer in an open and relational theology, emphasizing that prayer is communication with God and can bring about change through our actions. They touch on the concept of miracles and how they occur when God and creation work together for something good. The conversation concludes with a reflection on the value of open and relational theology in providing a picture of God that is true for all people, especially those who have been marginalized and oppressed.


Keywords open and relational theology, suffering, deconstruction, reconstruction, LGBTQ+ affirmation, faith, doubt, certainty, children's faith development, God, suffering, open and relational theology, salvation, cooperation, prayer, miracles

Takeaways 

  • Open and relational theology views God as interactive and responsive, and recognizes the limits of God's power. It offers a framework that aligns with our experiences and intuitions about love and free will.
  • Certainty is not the goal of faith. Embracing doubt and uncertainty can lead to a more mature and honest understanding of God and the world.
  • Children's faith development involves different stages, and it is natural for young children to have a black-and-white view of God. As they grow, it is important to create a safe space for them to ask questions and explore their beliefs.
  • Traditional theologies can be traumatizing and dismissive of our experiences. Open and relational theology provides a more inclusive and compassionate perspective that takes into account the diversity of human experiences.
  • The process of deconstruction and reconstruction in faith can be challenging but also liberating. It involves reevaluating our beliefs and theological frameworks, and embracing a faith that is more aligned with our values and experiences. Salvation is not just liberation from pain, but also survival and quality of life, requiring the cooperation of both God and humanity.
  • God is always acting and working in the world, and our response to God's

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