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Host Richard Ellis interviews Michael Epps Utley of GoEpps about Google’s unusual transition as AI and LLMs reshape discovery. Utley argues AI may be a “Google killer,” comparing Google’s current position to past platform shifts, and says Google is pushing Gemini into prime search real estate while negotiating the differences between search and AI. For businesses, he notes SEO rankings still matter but overall organic traffic is often down while remaining traffic is more valuable; informational content is increasingly answered by engines without site visits, making unique content and commercial-intent queries more important. He emphasizes reputation as central across platforms, with GEO/AEO relying more on what others say through reviews and offsite signals, and recommends CEOs “Google” and also check themselves in tools like ChatGPT and Grok. He also discusses adding schema so bots can read offers and events, noting bots now generate over half of internet sessions.

Soundbites

1. "SEO was about what we say about ourselves. GEO and AEO are what other people say about us."
2. "Companies are getting less traffic from SEO, but the traffic that comes in is more valuable."
3. "You can't tell you're in the water when you're a fish, and right now we're all equating Google with the internet, and that's just not the way it's gonna play out."
4. "They're eating a lot of their brand recognition value to buy the data they need to make Gemini usable, so they're learning at the expense of the user base."
5. "If you've had a content strategy that was about more is better, that's not the case anymore. Unique is better."
6. "There's no replacing a good reputation. That just became the central most important thing across all these platforms."
7. "People need to Google themselves more, but they gotta start Groking themselves too."
8. "A week or a few weeks ago, bots were the biggest user of the internet for the first time. More than 50%."
9. It's okay, y'all. We're all still people. Let's stay human."

Michael's business, GoEpps: https://www.goepps.com/
Richard’s business, Revenue Innovations: https://www.revenueinnovations.com 

Host Richard Ellis interviews Darin Archer about why companies that reach $10–$30M can stall and how leaders should diagnose it. Darin stresses that while data and KPIs matter, they can mislead without context, so he triangulates insights from customers, partners, and especially junior reps who offer candid, unfiltered feedback. He looks for pipeline stage velocity anomalies and early- vs late-stage closed-loss patterns to pinpoint go-to-market, pricing, enablement, or product-market-fit issues, then “double-clicks” with qualitative input and competitive intelligence. Darin highlights modern call-recording/transcription and sentiment tools to test hypotheses like pricing objections at scale. He recommends engaging external experts when problems are suspected but unproven or when performance has materially deteriorated, and advises new leaders to avoid “burning the calendar” on tactics and focus on strategic alignment while bringing in execution horsepower.

Soundbites
"You had a great sales team and you didn't feed them right. The whole supply chain was broken."
"That list we got trained on for objection handling? None of those responses land. I tried it. Nothing lands."
"Senior leaders have to defend so much... you won't get that from a senior leader."
"You smell the smoke, but you don't see the smoke. And you definitely don't know if there's a fire."
"Don't burn the calendar. Every month you're not firing on all cylinders, you lose radical traction."
"It's a farce if you think you can do it yourself."
"When your prospect or your former customer takes a call from a third party, they're much more honest."
"That first wave of CRM was a digital notebook... that's a data set we've got to mine a lot more."
"Most enablement teams aren't staffed with that forensic scientist mindset."
"Respect the trade. You're asking these folks to do extraordinary things."

Darin's website: https://www.darinarcher.com
Richard’s business, Revenue Innovations: https://www.revenueinnovations.com 

Host Richard Ellis discusses claims from CEOs that “old SEO is dead” and interviews Michael Epps Utley, founder/CEO of GoEpps, who argues “SEO is dead, long live SEO,” with AEO (answer engine optimization) and GEO (generative engine optimization) becoming additions under the SEO umbrella. Utley distinguishes SEO as ranking in search, AEO as ranking in answers, and GEO as ranking in generated answers and sources, noting AI is additive to search and is changing website content toward novel questions and authoritative sourcing (e.g., data journalism). He describes GoEpps’ new AEO product that uses 180 external data points, aggregated into algorithms and metrics, to score brands and competitors from “how the internet sees” them. Key takeaways: stay broad and agile (“keep your knees bent”), expect to buy specialized solutions rather than build, avoid overreliance on new or incomplete metrics, and recognize marketing can’t mask poor operations as reputation becomes central.

Soundbites

1. "SEO is for ranking in search, AEO is for ranking in answers, and GEO is for ranking in generated answers, meaning their sources."
2. "We're not just thinking about keywords and how to be found for people using a search engine. We're also thinking, what do we bring that's new that answers a question nobody else is answering?"
3. "This is like lava in a volcano in Hawaii. It's coming down the mountainside and building new islands."
4. "People were always bouncing around to three or four places to validate something. Now we're seeing additional real estate be built for those interactions."
5. "The pace of change is more radical than people are giving it credit for, and it's going to be more the same than people realize."
6. "We can't live in what I call Pax Googliana, this era of peace where Google was the homepage of the internet. ChatGPT is arguably the homepage of the internet for a lot of people now. So is Grok."
7. "About 90% of companies and agencies are leaning to buy solutions to implement AI rather than build."
8. "In our family we have a saying: keep your knees bent. On boat day, if you're going to walk while the boat's moving, keep your knees bent. This is a keep your knees bent time."
9. "Don't have a quarterly meeting where you commit super hard to one new thing on ChatGPT, because they may flip it tomorrow."
10. "AI is too big a topic for a marketing coordinator, a marketing manager, and frankly a marketing director. Pushing it to one team member to figure out and bring back isn't good leadership."
11. "Marketing can't fix bad operations going forward. In the past marketing could shore up a delivery problem by keeping the inbox full of opportunities. Now reputation is absolutely front and center."
12. "Watch out for any one number that's a brand new metric that didn't exist six months ago, because that stuff's all just forming up right now."
13. "Adaptability and flexibility is just part of the human animal. I really believe the next generation is going to do some amazing stuff."

Michael's business, GoEpps: https://www.goepps.com/
Richard’s business, Revenue Innovations: https://www.revenueinnovations.com 

In this episode of Some Goodness, host Richard Ellis welcomes Michael Stahl, CEO of Wombat Data, to discuss why acquisitions often destroy value due to poor execution in the six to 18 months after close. Stahl explains why integration should be treated as an ongoing function that connects the operating model with M&A strategy, especially to build scalable revenue operations and link organic and inorganic growth. He describes integration as a phased, long-tail process with feedback loops to test underwriting theses and refine ideal target profiles, emphasizing data and CRM/system integration as prerequisites for collaboration. The conversation covers go-to-market alignment issues such as coverage strategy, overlays, comp models, minimizing disruption, and encouraging collaboration, plus cultural due diligence focused on day-to-day management rigor and data-driven practices.

Soundbites

• "There's no better way to identify areas that need improvement in a business than trying to explain to a company you buy how your business works."
• "You have to be able to clearly articulate how you run your business, how you run your sales motions, to be able to tell somebody else how to fold into it."
• "When we found it harder to explain or more difficult for a team to fold into, that's usually where we have to pay attention."
• "What happens in the corp dev decks and with the advisors doesn't always translate post close."
• "It's really important to acknowledge that it's a phased plan, that it also will feel a little awkward or clumsy at times as we bring two teams together."
• "It's not just change on the part of the target. It also requires change on the part of the buyer and the buyer's teams, because now we're bringing new people into the conversation."
• "We always wanted to try to err on the side of making decisions that were going to encourage collaboration rather than sort of be myopic and save in the short term."
• "A lot of the culture that I wanted to look at, particularly in a target, was how did they manage day to day. And was the way that we manage as a buyer going to be a culture shock for them?"
• "Is the juice worth the squeeze here? Are we spending the right time on the deals that create the most value and align with the strategy of the company?"
• "There's a phrase that I like. It sounds simple. It's just not easy."
• "That's how I define commitment with my team: awareness and intention. You have to be aware of what's going well, what's not, and then make intentional decisions about what to reinforce and where to course correct."
• "The data became the equalizer or the mediator."

Michael's business, Wombat Data: https://wombatdata.com
Richard’s business, Revenue Innovations: https://www.revenueinnovations.com 

Host Richard Ellis interviews Cody Lee, founder of Food Truck Club, a two-sided marketplace that makes booking food trucks for events fast and reliable across markets including Texas, Chicago, and Philadelphia; Cody explains how he “operationalized” an informal trusted intermediary in the food-truck ecosystem, why marketplaces require years to build trust on both sides, and how founder-level accountability restores loyalty. He shares an unconventional Amazon prospecting story, discusses market selection via demand/supply and culture, and closes with guidance that “sales is king” and trust must closely follow.

Soundbites

1. "You can build all the AI agents you want, we can have all the cool gadgets and CRMs out there, but you cannot replace trust." 
2. "Trust is built even faster when mistakes happen and get corrected than just doing what you should be doing." 
3. "Sales is king and trust is queen." 
4. "Businesses typically take a few years to get off the ground, but marketplaces take on average seven years to be successful. Because you're trying to really build that trust." 
5. "We say these names like Amazon or PepsiCo and we're trying to sell into these big names. But really it's Robert. It's Anne. There's somebody in there that just happens to work there that's a human. Even though they might have Deloitte in their email, it doesn't mean that they're anybody." 
6. "I made an Amazon hat. You can buy the Amazon vests on amazon.com. I dressed like an Amazon employee, and I just walked in and nobody asked any questions... And 80% of the time I made the sale." 
7. "Nobody is saying, 'Hey, my boss brought in pizza today' for the 100th time. Nobody's standing in front of the lunch room bragging in a selfie about the spread of Olive Garden in front of them. But everybody is posting a selfie in front of the food truck." 
8. "The problems are there, but we just become sort of blind to it... The problem and the solution were already existing the whole time. We just operationalized it and pushed it." 
9. "You just don't have people anymore visiting. You don't have people writing handwritten letters anymore. It sounds so small and basic that it seems like it wouldn't work, but it's the opposite." 
10. "I see a lot of leaders get stuck in the thick of thin things, and really get into the minutia of something that's good, not great." 

Cody’s business, Food Truck Club: https://app.foodtruckclub.com
Richard’s business, Revenue Innovations: https://www.revenueinnovations.com 

Host Richard Ellis interviews Michael Stahl, CEO and founder of Wombat Data, about why executives still struggle to get real answers from data despite modern dashboards, data lakes, and BI tools.

Stahl describes persistent issues across industries: siloed enterprise systems, closed or monetized APIs, difficult and costly integration, and the need to incorporate external datasets (e.g., CMS, demographic, geospatial) that are hard to organize and keep current. He explains the “streetlight effect,” where teams analyze only easily accessible data, and shares a healthcare example where layering drive-time and geospatial data helped explain patient no-shows.

Stahl says new AI capabilities can automate access and integration without migrations, keeping data live and enabling leaders to focus on better questions, a clear data strategy, and a few vital business signals rather than KPI proliferation.

Soundbites

• "Every executive has dashboards. Almost none have answers."
• "The parable is if somebody loses their keys, they actually look where the streetlight shines, because that's where the light is. But even if their keys may not be there, they look where they have the most ready access and visibility, even if that's not necessarily the best place to find good answers."
• "It's hard to know what you don't know."
• "You've got a very expensive Ferrari that's in the garage or just going to collect groceries, and we're not getting the highest and best use out of it."
• "Most people ready, fire, aim, and what you're asking them to do is ready, aim, fire."
• "We take the how off the table for you, and you can just focus on the why."
• "One data point may be interesting, but is oftentimes not useful. It's the collection of data points that actually helps us understand relationships."
• "What are the fewest variables that have the biggest impact and produce the clearest signal of success, health, and function in the team?"
• "KPI proliferation or dashboard proliferation actually creates more confusion than clarity."
• "If you dig and come to a point where your business, your team doesn't have the data it needs, it's probably out there, and people can help you find it, and you can access it."

Michael's business, Wombat Data: https://wombatdata.com
Richard’s business, Revenue Innovations: https://www.revenueinnovations.com 

Host Richard Ellis and guest Braydan Young (co-founder of Slash Experts, formerly of Sendoso) discuss why B2B buying signals look contradictory (Forrester’s view that ~90% of executives want to buy without talking to sales versus AI-native firms hiring SDRs) and what this means for sellers and leaders. They argue buyers increasingly research via reviews, backchannels, and pilots, and mainly avoid unhelpful reps. AI and avatars can compress the traditional SDR/AE/SE chain so one technical AE can do more, shifting roles toward technical SDRs and go-to-market engineers.

They predict consolidation of point tools into all-in-one platforms while CRMs persist due to security and reliability. Practical advice includes partnerships (especially with consultants/agencies), in-person events, ignoring LinkedIn noise, and staying close to customers; they close by sharing personal fitness goals.

Soundbites

• "Every day there's a new B2B AI tool that someone vibe coded or created. It's amazing how fast the space is moving."
• "They bought you and all your competition, and they're testing all of you and seeing which one sticks. And then at the end of that pilot phase, they leave you."
• "I think the line's 10 grand. If it's over 10 grand, you need a human in the loop."
• "It's not that they don't wanna talk to a rep, it's that they don't wanna talk to a bad rep." (Richard, paraphrasing the buyer shift)
• "You've talked to six people, and the deal size is 24K. That's too many. Your AE, your SDR, and your SE needs to be one person."
• "I think the traditional SDR will go away. But the more technical SDR will be a new job that folks will have."
• "If you have your own CRM that you built with AI and it goes down, it's on you. That's why I don't think it's gonna happen anytime soon."
• "Selling through consultants and agencies is the best, 'cause they are far more trusted than your sales team. They talk about you on a phone call you're not on."
• "Try to do something crazy that's athletic at least once a year. When you're healthy and post-workout, I think way clearer, and that'll only help the company grow faster."

Braydan's business, Slash Experts: https://slashexperts.com/
Richard's business, Revenue Innovations: https://www.revenueinnovations.com/

Host Richard Ellis interviews Jack Siney, co-founder of Front Race, on why AI needs activity/interaction data instead of biased “opinion” data entered by reps, and how rigid, linear CRM workflows miss the nonlinear reality and micro-details of sales, including timing between actions. Jack warns that automating only documented steps can fail because top performers execute additional undocumented steps, and that LLMs can mis-join data and hallucinate without hard metrics. He recommends leaders: consolidate and standardize company data, map the real end-to-end process (including losses), and use a measurement layer to benchmark and evaluate changing AI tools.

Soundbites

• "All the LLMs are using the same open data set. The magic is in your data. You have the answers. If you have a couple of years of legacy data, you've had some success, you've had some failures. The magic is in that data: uncovering what works and what doesn't."
• "We've been measuring metrics for four decades that have no direct correlation to whether we hit the goal."
• "We get rid of our SDRs to automate 20 steps. But the SDRs are actually doing 32 steps. We train the agent on 20 because we don't even know the other 12 exist. Then we wonder why the pilot failed."
• "The magic's in the micro details. Everyone knows the big things: the culture, the pitch, the pricing, the demo. That's not what separates your best reps from your average ones. It's 20 little things."
• "As soon as you rely on the sales rep to put the data in, we're in trouble. Their job depends on having a good pipeline. They're biased. Garbage in, garbage out."
• "Automate the interactions and you get what really happened. It's not someone's opinion."
• "Some of the magic is the time in between the steps. Letting it breathe. I don't know a system out there that tracks the time between each call."

Jack's business, Front Race: https://www.frontrace.com/
Richard's business, Revenue Innovations: https://www.revenueinnovations.com/

The episode argues that relational capital is a strategic resource, citing a 2026 Forbes Human Resources Council article linking trust-based networks to stronger collaboration, faster decisions, and resilient teams. Host Richard Ellis interviews Eddy Arriola, founder of Apollo Bank (2009) and former chairman/CEO until its 2022 acquisition by Seacoast Bank, now a Seacoast board director and author of It’s All About Relationships. Arriola explains his realization that career successes and failures often hinged on relationships, distinguishes true relationship-building from mere charm, and emphasizes meeting people where they are by understanding their pressures and incentives. He introduces his CARPE framework (“seize the relationship”), highlighting “connect” and “prioritization,” including avoiding comfort-zone conversations.

Link to Eddy’s book: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GP9TPQ1Y?tag=scribemedia0a-20&th=1&psc=1&geniuslink=true

Soundbites
"It's all about relationships." (the book title, and the line "that's resonated with people because so many of us have used that a zillion times")
"I really got things done through people... when I started to reflect even on the things that didn't go right in my life... it was because I didn't have the right relationships. I didn't have someone to help me, someone to fall back on."
"It's usually the people that really don't understand sales and marketing that say, 'Oh, that's the relationship guy.'"
"People that are really good at relationships just so happen to be really good with people. But that doesn't necessarily mean that they're good with all people."
"Carpe diem, seize the day, and I'm like, 'Seize the relationship.'"
"All your competitors have really, really, really good products... but it's really about a relationship that you build around."
"All sales is a process. One step logically follows another, and relationship building is very similar."
"You will go to your comfort zone. You will go to the easier conversations or the more fun relationships, and you'll be missing out on others."
"The best thing you can do is be a good listener and a good student and follow up."
"Dig a little deeper... just scratch, keep digging a little deeper and you're gonna get the right information."
"What relationships aren't serving you right now? What are just taking up too much of your time?"
"You are where you are because someone else helped pave the way."

Host Richard Ellis interviews Braydan Young, co-founder of Slash Experts and former Sendoso co-founder, about why most B2B companies rely on the same few reference customers late in deals and lack systems to operationalize social proof. Braden explains how social proof extends beyond reference calls to logos, case studies, reviews, testimonials, and especially short video testimonials, and argues prospects often complete much of the buying journey before talking to sales. Slash Experts addresses the “last-minute scramble” by letting prospects book calls with pre-vetted customers via expert pages, using AI to recommend the best match, automate follow-ups, and nudge buyers with relevant proof while capturing transcripts of customer language. Braydan shares practical CRO steps: test your own reference process, track and thank reference customers, and introduce customer conversations earlier to accelerate stalled deals.

Soundbites

• "80% of the deal cycle is done by the time they're actually hopping on the phone with sales." 
• "Everyone has the same 40, 50 logos on their site. How's everybody working with the exact same companies?" 
• "Typically it's a scramble at the end. It's, 'Who's the fastest person I can get on the phone so they can check that box?'" 
• "You've gone from trying to sell a product to being consultative. All you're trying to do is empower your champion to get the deal done." 
• "Social proof is just making someone not feel alone for taking a risk on buying your service." — Braydan Young
• "The way our customer was talking to a prospect about how they used our system was totally different than the way we talked about it. That's the conversation that is gold." 
• "If you're a CRO, try to get a reference today for your own company. Go through the process you gave to sales and see what that's like." 
• “There's not a lot of separation between work and life anymore. When it's blended well, that's the company everyone wants to work for."

Braydan's business, Slash Experts: https://slashexperts.com/
Richard's business, Revenue Innovations: https://www.revenueinnovations.com/

This episode discusses why AI investment is outpacing real business impact, noting low AI production adoption among US firms, limited use cases reaching full production, and many initiatives being abandoned in 2025. Host Richard Ellis interviews Jack Siney, co-founder of FrontRace, about his white paper on “15 AI truths” sales leaders will face, arguing most companies are experimenting without executing with precision.

Siney says sales teams have spent decades optimizing the wrong metrics (calls, emails, pipeline) and remain poor at forecasting and replicating top-performer behavior. He argues AI’s value is measuring previously unmeasurable “20 small things” behind 3X performers, delivering clearer “signals” like Moneyball analytics. Key prerequisites are consolidating, normalizing, and cleaning company data and uncovering actual workflow behaviors, enabling better forecasting and guidance while preserving human roles in higher-value, complex sales.

Soundbites / Memorable Quotes:

• "If you're on social media, you'd swear every company is fully AI-enabled, firing their entire staff, making it all AI. The real world at a ground level is pretty significantly different."
• "We're no better today, four decades in, hundreds of millions if not trillions of dollars invested in all of these sales platforms. Companies hitting forecasts? We're worse at forecasting, shockingly, with all the tools we have today."
• "You have two reps, they have the same metrics, same calls, same outreach, same pipeline, and one is outperforming the other by 3X. When the CEO asks why, the head of sales simply makes something up."
• "The difference between these two people are 20 little things. It's not the big things. Everyone knows the pricing. Everyone knows the FAQs. Everyone knows how to do the demo. That is not it."
• "When you ask that person to train the rest of the team, it's like Michael Jordan trying to teach basketball. They just know they do it."
• "Everything we're doing today in the AI world is gonna look childish five years from now. We're still in the AOL dial-up stage."
• "If you take AI and you put it on a crappy data set, AI's already gonna have some hallucinations to it, but if the data's not right, you're gonna come out with bad conclusions and you're gonna get fired."
• "We've relied on the sales rep, who's very biased, to manage their own pipeline, put in the probability it's gonna close, the amount, and when. Are you kidding me?"
• "In Moneyball, the big shift was we're no longer buying players, we're buying runs. The same thing in sales: who cares how it gets closed? Do they close it?"
•  "The more money a client's spending, the safer your job is. When rubber hits the road, they want someone to talk to."

Jack's business, Front Race: https://www.frontrace.com/
Richard's business, Revenue Innovations: https://www.revenueinnovations.com/

In this episode, host Richard Ellis discusses how enterprise software companies face pressure from boards and markets to demonstrate AI progress, creating risks of overpromising, unnecessary product narratives, and eroding customer trust. Guest Rob Huffstedtler, Global Head of Pre-Sales Operations at Sitecore, describes varied customer readiness for AI and notes research suggesting AI more often automates tasks than eliminates entire jobs, enabling workflow redesign while preserving human judgment. They explore AI’s impact on RFP responses, where automation can improve customization but still requires locked-down, contextual answers and stronger storytelling than CRM data typically captures.

The conversation also covers how “show up and throw up” demos and excessive feature focus create perceived complexity and pricing objections, the value of confidently saying “yes” or “no,” and challenges in migrating installed-base customers through platform shifts without forcing RFPs. They conclude with leadership guidance on proactive involvement, coaching, and avoiding late-stage “super seller” interventions.

Soundbites

• “When companies over promise, force customers toward a future they didn’t ask for, or drag buyers through sprawling product narratives they don’t need, trust starts to erode.”
• “AI may speed things up, but it does not remove the need for discipline, honest positioning, and respect for the installed base.”
• “There are very few jobs where even in a fully agentic flow, you can eliminate the whole job. What it’s doing instead is simplifying or eliminating particular tasks of a job.”
• “There’s really an opportunity to rethink workflows and business processes and re engineer them to remove the slow friction parts.”
• “Some of the best RFPs are those that tell a story and they reiterate why do something different in the first place and why now and why with you.”
• “SAEs need to learn that yes is a full sentence.”
• “You coach rather than swooping in to save the day.”

The episode argues that B2B sales teams must stop treating solution engineers (SEs) as downstream demo support because buyers can self-educate and need help understanding what matters, quantifying value, and picturing success through storytelling, qualification, and commercial judgment earlier in deals.

Host Richard Ellis discusses with Rob Huffstedtler, Global Head of Pre-Sales at Sitecore, why SEs should be experts on buyers and their industries, leverage their trusted status to influence pipeline generation (especially in install-base motions), and coordinate intentionally with AEs through preparation, listening, and discovery to avoid overemphasizing features.

They cover hiring and onboarding gaps that leave SEs underdeveloped in sales skills, missed opportunities in customer storytelling, and how AI tools can speed research and call review but risk wordiness, fake empathy, and overreliance without human judgment and trust-building. They also address tight AE-SE coupling through deal stages, empowering internal champions, and effective handoffs to services for implementations requiring customization.

Soundbites
1. “The SE really needs to be as much of an expert on the buyer, that individual buyer, as well as generically the industry and the role as they are on their product.”
2. “At the end of the day, what they’re doing is helping the buyer through the buyer’s buying process.”
3. “Not being perceived as a seller becomes a superpower in sales.”
4. “The customer tends to inherently trust the SE more than they trust the account executive.”
5. “Listening is key, right? You learn a lot more when you have your mouth closed and your ears open.”
6. “You’ve got to learn to ask good, engaging questions and sit and give the customer time to think rather than pushing them forward and suggesting an answer for them.”
7. “There’s a little bit of a desire to appear smart rather than to make the customer the star.”
8. “If the AE and the SE, if they’re not having a good conversation before every customer conversation where they’re anticipating what the customer wants to get out of it and what they want to get out of it, it very easily turns into, let’s talk about all of our favorite features.”
9. “Some of the value is the process of building that summary rather than having the summary.”
10. “The biggest misconception I’ve seen is that there’s a path to getting to the unknown unknowns.”

FROM THE ARCHIVES: This is one of our favorite past episodes. 

Host Richard welcomes multi-time CXO Tracy Mustachio to discuss why navigating a first board meeting matters, emphasizing first impressions, confidence, and setting a reporting roadmap. Tracy advises tailoring to the board’s perspective by researching members, reviewing past board decks, and speaking in business outcomes rather than vanity marketing metrics, noting few directors have operational marketing experience though many have strong opinions. She recommends structuring updates with a “from-to” slide (current state to north star), plus concise highlights and lowlights tied to pipeline and revenue, keeping details in back-pocket slides or a cheat sheet for deep questions.

Tracy shares cautionary stories about being unprepared and stresses cross-functional alignment through collaborative drafting, practice sessions, and co-presenting with peers. She also recommends learning board best practices via training and the HBR book Boards That Lead.

Chapters

00:00 Boardroom Stakes

00:46 Why First Meetings Matter

01:50 Speak Board Language

02:40 Research the Directors

03:57 Salesforce Story Lesson

05:41 CMO Metric Balance

07:09 From To Framework

09:28 Results Over Activities

10:35 Back Pocket Prep

11:29 Presentation Horror Story

12:26 Align With Sales

13:30 Thrown Into the Fire

16:14 Board Training Resources

17:40 Final Book Recommendation

18:44 Wrap and Subscribe

Keywords

board meetings, board presentation, first board meeting, boardroom communication, executive leadership, C-level leadership, CMO, chief product officer, board reporting, first impressions, business metrics, business value, vanity metrics, marketing metrics, board expectations, audience awareness, board member perspectives, presentation structure, from-to slide, change agenda, highlights and lowlights, business goals, pipeline, revenue, customer journey, full funnel, back pocket slide, cheat sheet, executive preparation, peer collaboration, CEO, CSO, sales alignment, product marketing sales alignment, practice sessions, board questions, presentation detail, board governance, fiduciary role, executive coaching, board training, Boards That Lead, Ryan Holiday, The Obstacle Is the Way  

Soundbites

1. “Your first board meeting sets the first impression and the roadmap for how you’ll report going forward.”  
2. “The board is interested in business metrics and business value, not vanity marketing metrics.”  
3. “Put yourself in their shoes and speak in their language.”  
4. “Know the audience, know the perspective they’re coming from, and speak to those perspectives.”  
5. “What the board needs to understand is how what you’re doing relates to the overall business goals.”  
6. “Start with a clear from-to slide: here’s where we are today, here’s what we’re moving toward.”  
7. “Use highlights and lowlights, but stay high level and succinct unless they ask for detail.”  
8. “Focus on results, not all the activities you used to get there.”  
9. “Keep a back pocket slide or cheat sheet beside you for the board member who wants to dig into the numbers.”  
10. “Collaborate hard with your peers before the meeting because you do not want misalignment in front of the board.”

Host Richard Ellis discusses with David Howerton, CEO and founder of VendoIQ, how AI is rapidly flooding sales organizations under board and executive pressure, often driving hurried, uncoordinated adoption that doesn’t ladder up to strategy. They argue AI amplifies existing problems (broken processes, unclear ICPs, weak handoffs, and poor CRM data) rather than fixing them, leading to noise and pipeline issues.

The conversation focuses on real field sales work and why productivity breaks down due to context switching and delayed documentation, causing “memory decay” and unreliable forecasting. They highlight opportunities for AI to reduce non-selling tasks by capturing in-person insights quickly and triggering workflows, especially through voice interfaces that meet sellers where they are, turning AI into an assistant that not only records notes but also schedules meetings, drafts emails, and supports faster, more accurate execution.

Chapters

00:00 AI Hype Meets Reality

01:46 Boardroom Pressure to Adopt

04:20 AI Needs Strategy and Governance

06:13 Fix Processes and Data First

10:23 In-Person Selling Advantage

13:33 Context Switching Kills CRM

17:33 Voice Interface for Field Notes

23:50 From Notes to Automated Actions

26:03 Leadership Advice to Lean In

28:08 Personal Goodness and Wrap-Up

Key Words

AI strategy, revenue strategy, sales strategy, go to market strategy, go to market teams, revenue engine, AI adoption, AI governance, AI alignment, business outcomes, workflows, business processes, CRM data, stale CRM data, data quality, source of truth, field sales, field productivity, seller productivity, field marketing, in person selling, human interaction, trust, authenticity, relationship building, context switching, memory decay, meeting notes, conversational intelligence, voice interface, voice input, sales workflows, administrative burden, non selling activities, sales efficiency, sales effectiveness, forecasting, resource allocation, action loops, proactive workflows, AI assistant, digital interactions, customer insights, trade shows, account development, upselling, cross selling, ICP, pipeline, sales leadership, revenue leadership, go to market execution, seller workflows, CRM adoption, real time capture, human and AI interaction

Sound Bites

• “Your organization is already doing stuff with AI in different departments, and that’s all well and good, but it’s not concentrated and it’s very likely not rolling up to a strategy.” 
• “We all know that CRM data is stale. It’s outdated. We’re now in an era where both in the virtual meeting world and in real life, we can fix that.” 
• “Human interaction becomes scarcity. So when you do have an in person interaction, the value is disproportionate.” 

David's business, VendoIQ: https://www.vendoiq.com/
Richard's business, Revenue Innovations: https://www.revenueinnovations.com/

Most B2B marketing teams are sitting on a bloated tech stack they can't justify. Tools bought to fix strategy problems. Duplicate capabilities nobody audited. AI features bolted onto legacy products that were already underperforming.

Jessica Fewless has seen it from the inside. As an early architect of account-based marketing and now as a partner at Inverter, she's helped operators untangle exactly this mess.

In this conversation with host Richard Ellis, she gets specific about what separates teams that get ROI from their MarTech from teams that just keep buying. How to evaluate tools when AI is making everything obsolete in 18 months. Why intent signals fail when you treat them like a list. What "AI-readable content" actually means before your competitors figure it out. And why the smartest move right now might be short contracts and point solutions you can swap out.

Chapters

00:00 MarTech Meets AI

02:13 Auditing Bloated Stacks

04:51 Use Cases And Workflows

06:53 Platforms Versus Point Tools

10:00 Core Stack Must Haves

12:25 AI Budget Pressure Reality

16:17 Avoid Long Term Bets

18:16 Measure ROI And Governance

19:42 Intent Signals In Context

22:12 SEO In The AI Era

25:09 Cut Waste Do More

25:53 Some Goodness And Wrap

Keywords

MarTech, marketing technology, marketing tech stack, tech stack audit, vendor sprawl, tool duplication, shiny new tools, strategy gaps, plugging holes with tech, lead quality, demand generation, use case, workflows, process design, governance, rules of the road, integrations, architecture, ROI, CFO scrutiny, budget pressure, boards, headcount reduction, scaling the wrong thinking, AI in MarTech, AI layering, AI native tools, legacy platforms, point solutions, best in class, comprehensive platforms, control, customization, Zapier, stitching tools together, CRM, Salesforce, data management, data quality, email marketing, database, webinar tools, website personalization, account based marketing, ABM, retention risk, positioning, messaging, stickiness, contracts, short term agreements, renewal evaluation, customer success manager, discrete metrics, intent signals, funnel stage, AI research tools, intent in context, website activity, buyer signals, static nurture, signal based nurture, always on strategy, personalization, orchestration, findability, SEO, GEO, AEO, AI indexing, Reddit influence, PR, authority building, top 10 lists, scannable landing pages, tech stack waste, consolidation, creativity, work life boundary

Soundbites

1. "...beyond having a way to email your database and having your database, those are the two fundamentals. I kind of feel like everything's up for grabs after that.”
2. "...go into it knowing that that technology might not be relevant three years from now and be okay with that. So don't sign a five-year contract, not that anybody, anybody signs five-year contracts. I wouldn't sign more than a one or two-year contract.”
3. “There should never be a static nurture. There should only be a reaction to signals moving forward.”
4.  “The average tech stack inside of a company is mind boggling.”
5. “People were plugging holes in their strategy with technology.”
6. “CFOs and boards and CEOs are saying, AI allows you to do more, so go do more with AI, and I’m going to shrink your tech budget as a result.”
7. “Intent signals need to be combined with the rest of the data so you understand it in context.”

In this episode, Richard Ellis hosts David Howerton, CEO and founder of VendoIQ, to discuss the effectiveness of trade shows in the B2B sector. Despite high ROI, many companies lose substantial value due to poor planning, weak data capture, and ineffective follow-up. David emphasizes viewing trade shows as part of a holistic program rather than isolated events, focusing on pre-show planning, in-event processes, and post-show follow-up to maximize ROI. Key insights include the importance of in-person interactions, the necessity of capturing meaningful data, and coordination among marketing, sales, and field teams. The episode underscores the need for strategic preparation and execution to leverage trade shows for business growth.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Trade Shows and Their ROI

00:52 Guest Introduction: David Howerton

01:32 The Importance of Trade Shows in Lead Generation

05:24 Maximizing Trade Show Success: Pre-Show Planning

13:19 Effective Strategies During the Trade Show

21:13 Post-Show Follow-Up: Ensuring ROI

25:25 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Keywords

trade shows, field selling, sales execution, lead capture, follow up, pipeline velocity, buying authority, in person selling, human connection, competitive intelligence, account planning, pre show planning, post show process, CRM breakdowns, memory decay, voice to text capture, natural language interface, sales handoff, rev ops, field marketing, ICP targeting, meeting booking, sales channel strategy, program management, sales workflow, deal acceleration

Soundbites

“Trade shows are not the problem. The gap between the conversation and what happens next is.”

“People show up to events without knowing why they’re there.”

“If you can’t articulate who you’re talking to and why, the show is already a loss.”

“Human connections are becoming more scarce, which makes in-person moments more valuable.”

“You’re not just talking to prospects. You’re sitting inside an ecosystem.”

“Memory decay is real. Conversations blur together faster than people expect.”

“Capturing names without context is where value disappears.”

“Most breakdowns happen at the handoff.”

“If follow-up is slow or generic, a competitor will beat you to it.”

“Treat trade shows like a sales channel, not a calendar event.”

This episode delves into the art of being a great podcast guest, particularly for senior executives who increasingly turn to podcasts as a platform to build authority and reach new audiences. Host Richard Ellis is joined by award-winning journalist Chris Warren. They explore key attributes that make guests memorable, such as being great conversationalists, connecting small details to bigger themes, and steering clear of self-serving marketing speak. Chris Warren shares practical advice on how to prepare for podcasts, the importance of transparency and storytelling, and how these skills can translate into better leadership and communication in various business settings. The conversation also touches on the co-creation of narratives and engaging with audiences authentically. The episode concludes with a personal touch as Chris shares some recent 'goodness' in his life, namely his enjoyment of a book on Captain Cook.

Chapters

00:00 The Rise of Podcasting Among Executives

00:39 Introduction to Today's Topic: Being a Great Podcast Guest

01:35 The Art of Being a Great Conversationalist

05:23 Avoiding Common Pitfalls as a Podcast Guest

09:04 The Importance of Authenticity and Humility

15:52 Relating Podcast Skills to Business Leadership

19:47 Co-Creating Narratives in Business Meetings

22:38 Conclusion and Personal Reflections

Keywords

podcasts, podcast guesting, executive visibility, leadership communication, conversational skills, storytelling, audience service, relevance, authenticity, preparation, listening, humility, credibility, transparency, answering questions, context, examples, narrative, co creation, audience focus, producer perspective, media literacy, executive presence, communication skills, trust, engagement

Soundbites

• “Great podcast guests are great conversationalists. That’s something our culture has almost forgotten.”
• “You answer the question, then you layer context, examples, and meaning. The best guests connect the small to the big.”
• “If you come in with five things you have to say, the conversation is already limited.”
• “When someone reads their answers, you’re done before you start.”
• “People tune into a podcast for their reasons, not yours.”
• “Your job as a guest is to serve the audience.”
• “If your driving impulse is ‘I have to sound smart,’ you’re setting yourself up for failure.”
• “When you drift, stop yourself. Bring it back. That shows humility and respect for the listener’s time.”
• “Always answer the question. People ask for a reason.”
• “How you communicate shapes how people engage with you. It’s foundational.”

In this episode of 'Some Goodness,' we explore the evolution of account-based marketing (ABM) with Jessica Fewless, VP of Marketing at Inverta and an original architect of modern ABM. The discussion delves into the challenges and missteps in ABM implementation over the last decade, highlighting how marketing discipline, not ABM itself, needs improvement. Jessica provides insights into the need for alignment between sales and marketing, the importance of understanding and targeting the Ideal Customer Profile (ICP), and how AI and technology can enhance ABM strategies. She emphasizes the importance of getting back to marketing fundamentals and the need for rigorous data management. The episode closes with practical tips on creating relevant messaging and maintaining work-life balance.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to B2B Marketing Challenges

00:43 Guest Introduction: Jessica Fless

01:17 The Evolution of Account-Based Marketing (ABM)

05:47 Challenges and Missteps in ABM Implementation

08:36 The Role of Buying Committees in ABM

12:22 Future of ABM and Demand Generation

14:20 Fundamentals and Best Practices in Marketing

22:18 The Importance of Data Hygiene and AI

24:09 Final Thoughts and Personal Insights

Keywords

Account based marketing, ABM, one to one ABM, one to many ABM, marketing discipline, demand generation, sales and marketing alignment, ICP, ideal customer profile, target accounts, buying groups, buying committees, intent data, MQLs, MQAs, pipeline efficiency, revenue efficiency, personalization at scale, relevance, focus, go to market strategy, batch and blast, volume based marketing, signal based marketing, consensus messaging, account focus, TAM versus ICP, sustainable revenue, data hygiene, CRM data, AI in marketing, marketing fundamentals, technology versus strategy, noise in the market, buyer journey, digital buying behavior, sales marketing partnership

Soundbites

• “Marketers were feeling like they were on this hamster wheel. Doing more and more, sending more emails, producing more content, and sales was disqualifying more and more of it.”
• “One-to-many ABM served its purpose. It broke bad habits like batch and blast and reliance on volume.”
• “Sales always knew there was a buying committee. Marketing just never operationalized it.”
• “It should never be a handoff between marketing and sales. It has to be a partnership.”
• “Buying groups require consensus messaging, not just persona level personalization.”
• “If you just buy the technology and think you’re doing ABM, you’re skipping the work.”
• “You are doing your board a disservice by continuing to play into the TAM narrative.”
• “You can’t build a sustainable revenue engine by focusing on your total addressable market. You have to focus on your ICP.”
• “AI will not tell you your data is wrong. It will confidently give you answers based on bad data.”

This year-end review episode of 'Some Goodness' delves into the significant business themes of 2025, including the dominance of AI, the importance of clear workflows, and the crucial role of consistent messaging. The episode compiles insights from various conversations with business leaders, including Ben Scoones, Chris Blocker, Chris Strammiello, Stacy Leidwinger, Jim Karrh, Steve Graves, and Larry Sweeney. They highlight that tools and technology alone cannot resolve fundamental issues like weak leadership and poor execution. The discussion explores the balance between human touch and automation, the pitfalls of vanity metrics, and the fundamental role of strong leadership and moral integrity in navigating fast-changing business landscapes.

Chapters

00:00 AI's Impact on Business in 2025

00:35 Year-End Review: Lessons from 2025

01:00 The Pitfalls of Relying on Tools

03:07 The Importance of Consistent Messaging

04:23 Navigating AI and Leadership Challenges

08:07 The Fundamentals of Effective Leadership

08:26 The Dangers of Vanity Metrics

09:57 The Power of Storytelling in Business

12:48 Execution and Moral Leadership

16:31 The Role of Trust in Leadership

17:53 Final Reflections on Leadership in 2025

Keywords

AI, leadership, judgment, execution, clarity, workflows, decision making, messaging consistency, brand trust, automation limits, fundamentals, prioritization, discernment, sales productivity, win rate, vanity metrics, cost of sale, storytelling, human element, culture, accountability, mentorship, trust, integrity, management, go to market, organizational behavior 

Soundbites

“Understanding your own workflow should be a basic requirement for doing anything within a business, especially when you’re looking to integrate AI technology.” Ben Scoones
 
 “If you can’t tell a person what to do and expect them to be successful, why would you expect AI to do a good job?” Ben Scoones
 
 “It doesn’t matter having the perfect words. It matters being consistent.” Stacy Leidwinger
 
 “When an organization all uses the same words, that’s when you get power of brand and power of message.” Stacy Leidwinger
 
 “Stories are compelling because something disrupts the status quo and forces a decision.” Jim Karrh
 
 “Most customer success stories are technically correct, but what’s missing is emotion.” Jim Karrh
 
 “When we win, we have to be careful not to get addicted to outcomes.” Steve Graves
 
 “Nothing else is more important than the relationship you have with your manager. Money and managers keep people in their jobs.” Larry Sweeney

“Leaders have to show up not just as competent people, but as the kind of people others want to follow.” Chris Blocker

In this episode of Some Goodness, host Richard Ellis engages with Chris Warren, an award-winning journalist and consulting principal, to explore the art and significance of storytelling in the business world. They discuss the challenges executives face with ineffective presentations and the importance of narrative discipline amidst overwhelming content.

Chris emphasizes the need for engaging, human-centered stories rather than sterile, data-heavy content. He shares insights from his extensive career in journalism and screenwriting, offering practical advice on avoiding common mistakes and enhancing business communication through compelling storytelling techniques. Chris also highlights the value of authenticity, emotional connection, and understanding the stakes involved in storytelling. 

Chapters   

00:00 The Crisis of Ineffective Business Communication

00:55 Introducing the Power of Storytelling

02:01 The Relevance of Storytelling in Modern Business

03:40 Common Mistakes in Business Storytelling

08:14 Crafting a Compelling Business Narrative

13:20 Insights from Journalism and Screenwriting

20:22 The Human Element in Storytelling

23:36 Conclusion and Personal Reflections

Keywords

storytelling, business storytelling, content versus story, audience relevance, customer perspective, human connection, authenticity, stakes, tension and resolution, shared reality, protagonist, executive communication, leadership communication, technical expertise, relevance, curiosity, listening, asking questions, humility, credibility, trust, culture, storytelling culture, sales storytelling, customer outcomes, human outcomes, features versus value, connection, narrative, brand story, differentiation, emotional resonance

Soundbites

• “We are overwhelmed with content, but content is not storytelling. Storytelling is what people remember and repeat.”
• “Deep knowledge about a topic is not a story. In fact, it is often an impediment to good storytelling.”
• “The biggest mistake leaders make is assuming their internal world is relevant outside their four walls.”
• “If you are enraptured with your own world, you are not thinking about your audience.”
• “Your technical expertise has a place, but not as the lead-in.”
• “Good stories have shared reality, tension, and resolution. A tsunami of facts is not a story.”
• “There are stakes in every industry. If you do not name them, you are missing the story.”
• “You are not the star of the story. Your audience is the protagonist.”
• “People will remember the human outcome long after they forget the feature list.”
• “When you stop acting like a walking brochure, you open entirely new pathways to connection.”

In this episode, Richard Ellis delves into the essentials of planning an engaging and effective Sales Kickoff Event (SKO). Despite many companies struggling to create high-impact SKOs, we share practical tips and best practices designed to capture attention and boost retention. The discussion covers the five critical Ps of SKO planning: Purpose, Place, Practicality, Pulse, and Post-SKO, alongside principles of adult learning to ensure sessions are relevant and interactive. From the actionable content to the need for post-event follow-up, this episode is an invaluable guide for C-level leaders aiming to maximize the impact of their SKOs.

Download a free SKO how-to worksheet here.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Survey Insights

00:37 Planning an Engaging SKO: Overview

01:14 The Five Ps Framework

13:07 Adult Learning Principles for SKO

27:27 Interactive and Engaging Sessions

33:27 Designing Your SKO Agenda

36:58 Conclusion and Resources

Keywords

SKO, sales kickoff, revenue kickoff, five Ps, purpose, place, practicality, pulse, post SKO, adult learning, relevance, experience sharing, problem solving, retention, macro retention, micro retention, gamification, learning objectives, serial position effect, primacy, recency, interactive sessions, engagement, workshops, breakouts, panel discussions, product roadmap, sales strategy, prospecting, cross selling, upselling, executive decision makers, enablement, coaching, account planning, deal strategy, partner strategy, customer panels, seller panels, agenda design, energy management, session types, application oriented learning, practical takeaways

Soundbites

• Adults keep attention when content is relevant to their role.
• If everything is a priority, nothing is a priority.
• Most SKOs fail because they push information, not action.
• People remember the first thing and the last thing and forget the middle.
• If your audience can’t tell what to do differently, the session failed.
• Relevance drives attention; irrelevance drives people to the coffee shop.
• A kickoff without a clear objective becomes noise, not direction.
• Panels work when questions are curated, not when the mic roams the room.
• Retention increases when people apply ideas, not when they watch slides.
• Post SKO discipline determines whether the event mattered at all.

In this episode, business leaders Richard Ellis is joined by the other founders of Revenue Innovations (Tim Kruse,  Mark Gaydos, and Heather Easterday). They discuss insights from their recent Go-to-Market Executive Roundtable held in Nashville. The event focused on the impact of AI on go-to-market strategies and provided a platform for executives to network, share challenges, and discuss solutions. This discussion highlights the importance of face-to-face events over virtual gatherings and offers practical tips for organizing such events, emphasizing personal invitations, engagement, and practical takeaways. Additionally, they reflect on the importance of connection and real-world interaction in a digitally-driven world, especially as companies plan their Sales Kickoffs (SKOs) for the new year.

Chapters

00:00 The Rise of Networking in Business Events

00:28 Introduction to the Go-To-Market Executive Round Table

00:51 Debriefing the Event: Key Insights and Lessons

01:26 The Impact of AI on Go-To-Market Strategies

03:24 The Value of In-Person Networking

05:20 Designing Effective Business Events

12:02 Practical Tips for Hosting Successful Events

20:19 Planning for Sales Kickoffs (SKO)

26:30 Final Thoughts and Personal Reflections

Keywords

AI, go to market, networking, isolation, loneliness, burnout, disruption, silos, AI fluency, agents, workflows, vertical stacks, productivity, human touch, remote work, hybrid work, cross industry, collaboration, strategy, execution, practicality, round table, Nashville, Dallas, in person events, SKO, sales kickoff, psychological fuel, motivation, anxiety, refueling, leadership, exercises, connection

Soundbites 

•  “Executives are feeling isolated and lonely due to the demands of their roles, and the result is burnout.”
•  “Typical silos are collapsing, and go-to-market strategies look different because AI is reshaping every part of the system.”
•  “Leaders want to know whether AI will disrupt them or make them more productive, and they’re trying to find the balance.”
•  “Ninety five percent of AI initiatives fail, and people want to learn what not to do as much as what to do.”
•  “You can’t replicate the value of sitting next to people, hearing different perspectives, and solving problems together.”
•  “Cross-industry conversations break the echo chamber and show leaders that their challenges aren’t unique.”
•  “People knew this invitation was real because we approached them differently and personally.”
•  “If you want an event to matter, make sure people walk away knowing what they can do this quarter.”
•  “If SKO doesn’t teach people how to execute, you’re just giving them another list of priorities they can’t use.”
•  “The workforce is running on empty, and SKO needs to function as a refueling station, not a pep rally.”

In this episode of Some Goodness, Ben Scoones, Director of Data Science at Kythera Labs, joins Richard Ellis to discuss the impact of AI on the workforce. The conversation covers the decline in human performance skills such as adaptability, creativity, and collaboration, and how these traits are becoming increasingly valuable. Ben highlights the importance of employees assessing the algorithmic nature of their tasks and using AI to enhance their capabilities rather than fearing it as a job threat. The episode delves into how companies can cultivate a positive AI culture, providing training and clear policies, and encouraging innovation from all levels of staff. It also touches upon the challenges of AI project implementation and the necessity of a strategic approach to ensure success. 

Chapters

00:00 Introduction: The Collision of AI and Workforce

00:48 Exploring AI's Impact on Work and Human Capacity

01:55 Will AI Take My Job?

03:09 Historical Context: The Evolution of Jobs

04:28 AI as a Tool for Efficiency

07:11 The Decline in Human Performance

11:33 High Performers vs. Low Performers with AI

17:52 Building a Positive AI Culture

18:57 The Importance of Training and Policy

21:16 Encouraging Innovation and Idea Sharing

23:13 Measuring AI's Impact and Governance

26:53 Conclusion and Book Recommendation

Keywords

AI, artificial intelligence, workforce, human performance, motivation, optimism, agency, adaptability, creativity, collaboration, automation, repeatable work, algorithmic tasks, job replacement, productivity, human capacity, leadership, psychological fuel, BetterUp Labs, data science, culture, training, AI policy, company strategy, employee engagement, human capital, coaching, performance, high performers, low performers, amplification, mediocrity, processes, workflows, governance, experimentation, flourishing, adoption, ethics, technology, transhumanism, C.S. Lewis, philosophy, nature of work, human judgment, creativity, collaboration, adaptability, remote work, motivation decline, AI readiness, organizational culture, leadership development, innovation, experimentation, governance, learning systems

Soundbites

• “AI may be the most transformative force since electricity, but it's colliding with a workforce that's running out of fuel.” 
• “AI should be seen as an opportunity to free up human expertise for more meaningful work.” 
• “While AI expands capability, human capacity is shrinking. Leaders are caught between the two.” 
• “High performers using AI generate up to 11x more value than low performers with the same tools.” 
• “AI doesn’t just amplify the good. It amplifies whatever you attach it to, including mediocrity.” 
• “You don’t want to just fail fast with AI. You want to learn fast and never fail twice for the same reason.”

In this episode of Some Goodness, the focus is on AI readiness and effective deployment in businesses. Host Richard Ellis interviews Ben Scoones, Director of Data Science at Kythera Labs, discussing research showing a gap between AI investment and meaningful integration.

Download the ebook Ben wrote with our Revenue Innovations team: https://www.revenueinnovations.com/AI-ebook

Key insights include understanding workflows, avoiding misconceptions about AI capabilities, and the importance of data and clear processes. Five practical applications of AI in go-to-market strategies are highlighted, such as improving efficiency, research, ideation, co-pilots, and democratizing skilled work. The episode wraps up with a discussion on the necessity of evaluating AI's output and a recommendation for the book 'Non-Computable You' by Robert Marks.

Chapters

00:00 AI Investment Trends and Challenges

00:49 Introduction to the Guest: Ben Scoones

01:35 Understanding AI Readiness

02:03 The Importance of Workflow in AI Integration

04:26 Common Misconceptions About AI

13:37 The Role of Data in AI Strategy

19:52 Practical AI Applications in Go-to-Market Strategies

27:04 Final Tips and Human Expertise in AI

28:49 Conclusion and Book Recommendation

Keywords

AI readiness, workflow mapping, process documentation, automation, generative AI, machine learning, LLMs, algorithmic thinking, predictive modeling, AI deployment, data strategy, data quality, training data, retrieval augmented generation, knowledge management, process optimization, documentation as code, AI integration, sales onboarding, tribal knowledge, go-to-market strategy, sales enablement, marketing automation, customer success, AI applications, research efficiency, ideation, co-pilots, democratizing skills, analytics assistants, skill gaps, MLOps, human validation, algorithmic limits, non-computable tasks, human expertise, philosophical AI, contextual intelligence, AI in business, workflow evaluation, AI experimentation, efficiency gains, AI ethics, machine learning operations.

Sound Bites

• “AI may amplify our work, but only clarity makes it effective.”
• “If you can’t define a person’s role well enough for them, why would you expect AI to do a good job with it?”
• “AI is not the best solution for every problem. You have to make sure you’re applying it to the right problem.”
•  
• “An algorithm is just a series of steps for completing some task. A very simple everyday example of an algorithm is a recipe.”
• “You can’t just prompt an LLM and say, ‘I want you to do this,’ and expect it to perform miracles. You have to construct those higher-order capabilities step by step.”
• “Companies seeing the highest ROI from AI are those that mapped out their processes before automating.”
• “Documentation as code...that idea of maintaining your knowledge base as carefully as your software has never been more important.”
• “AI lets you democratize skilled work. You can focus on what to do with the information rather than how to retrieve it.”
• “Someone’s got to decide what good looks like. That’s where the human expertise still matters.”

In this episode, Richard hosts Dr. Chris Blocker, a professor of marketing at Colorado State University and a distinguished research fellow, to discuss the complexities and frameworks of corporate purpose. Blocker delves into the rising challenges faced by Fortune 500 companies in sustaining purpose initiatives amidst public and investor scrutiny. He outlines a four-archetype framework to evaluate corporate purpose strategies and emphasizes the need for authenticity and alignment between a company's signal and substance. The conversation also explores practical tips for leaders to foster purpose within their organizations, measuring sense of purpose among employees, and the significant impact of integrating purpose into business operations on both internal culture and external market success.

Resources from the Episode

Dr. Blocker's article in Harvard Business Review - Are Your Company's Purpose Initiatives Working?

Ebook about his purpose research - Being Purpose-Oriented: A Practical Map from Noise to Impact

Chapters

00:00 Introduction: The Corporate Purpose Crisis

00:59 Meet the Expert: Dr. Chris Blocker

01:36 Defining Corporate Purpose

02:57 The Four Archetypes of Purpose

04:07 The Risks of Purpose Washing

05:12 Purpose Beyond Profit

08:27 Aligning Purpose with Operations

14:39 Purpose in Leadership and Sales

23:03 Practical Tips for Embedding Purpose

26:23 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Keywords

purpose, authenticity, leadership, sales motivation, employee engagement, intrinsic motivation, corporate culture, signal and substance, why who what framework, meaning at work, generational engagement, trust, alignment, organizational purpose, purpose-driven selling, brand credibility, transitional purpose, storytelling, measurement, performance, fulfillment, connection, resilience, value alignment

Soundbites

• “There really has to be an alignment between three things: the why, the who, and the what. If you skip over any of them, bad things happen.”
• “You can think about risk in two ways: sinking the boat or missing the boat. Signaling purpose without substance will sink you; ignoring purpose altogether means you’ll miss it.”
• “The comp plan keeps the lights on, but purpose turns the lights up.”
• “To have success externally today, you almost have to move into this quadrant I’d call transitional purpose. You’re making real changes, but you’re not shouting about them.”
• “Leaders have to show up not just as competent people, but as the kind of people others actually want to follow.”
• “Simplifying is probably the first step, going back to the origins of the organization to ask, why did we start this to begin with?”
• “Purpose connects the paycheck to the person to who they are, to their clients, and to their broader sense of contribution.”
• “Engaging veteran people who have rich stories about clients, stories a younger generation can grab onto, is one of the most powerful ways to build purpose.”

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In this insightful episode of Some Goodness, host Richard Ellis challenges the conventional B2B sales metric of win rate, arguing that it can often be a vanity metric that hides inefficiencies. Instead, he introduces cycle yield (revenue generated per selling hour) as a more effective measure of sales productivity. Richard provides a detailed explanation and comparison of two sales reps' performance to illustrate how cycle yield can reveal true efficiency and guide better coaching and strategy. He also offers practical tips on how leaders can start tracking and utilizing this metric with existing tech stack data. 

A cycle yield calculator is available for download from this link.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction: The Truth About Win Rates

01:11 The Vanity of Win Rates

03:07 Introducing Cycle Yield

03:56 Case Study: Sarah vs. David

06:53 Measuring Cycle Yield

07:58 Implementing Cycle Yield Insights

09:22 Conclusion: Building a Scalable Sales Engine

Keywords

B2B revenue, sales organizations, win rate, vanity metric, sustainable growth, performance dashboards, board meetings, sales engine, sales leaders, cycle yield, revenue per selling hour, sales process efficiency, selling hours, qualification, prospecting, pipeline velocity, wasted motion, CRM, sales engagement tools, sales coaching, leaderboard, scalable process, profitable process, SMB motion, enterprise sales, data-driven revenue leader, cycle yield calculator, Revenue Innovations, Richard Ellis, Some Goodness

Soundbites

• “Win rate can be one of the most misleading numbers on your dashboard. It tells you what happened, but it tells you nothing about the incredible cost of that win.”
• “Everyone celebrated the logo, but no one calculated the cost. The win rate went up, but the business may have actually lost ground.”
• “Cycle yield connects sales activity directly to business value, turning the spotlight from ‘did we win’ to ‘how efficiently are we winning?’”
• “Efficiency, not just outcomes, is the mark of a modern data-driven revenue leader.”

In this episode of Some Goodness, host Richard engages with David Wolf, a seasoned recruiting expert with over 24 years of experience placing professionals in top sales leadership roles. They discuss David's seven-step framework for intentional career growth, covering vision, desire, acceptance, intention, action, and allowance. David shares valuable tips on how professionals can take control of their career paths, emphasizing the importance of having a personal vision, nurturing positive emotions, and maintaining an optimistic attitude. The conversation provides actionable insights for current and aspiring C-level leaders to maximize their impact and advance their careers.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction: Taking Control of Your Career Growth

00:33 Meet David Wolf: Career Progression Expert

02:24 The Importance of Vision in Career Growth

06:46 Harnessing Desire for Career Advancement

07:42 Acceptance: Embracing Strengths and Weaknesses

11:38 Intention and Action: Key Drivers of Success

16:27 Allowance: Letting Go of Anxiety and Guilt

18:01 Conclusion and Personal Insights

Keywords

career growth, executive recruiter, sales leadership, unstoppable career, vision, desire, acceptance, intention, action, allowance, mindset, self-awareness, optimism, resilience, motivation, leadership development, career progression, CRO, director to VP, personal vision, following leaders, big goals, breaking barriers, positivity, letting go of guilt, adaptability, relationships, clients, recruiting process, perseverance, networking, family, legacy, pickleball, grandchildren, integrity, technology industry

Soundbites 

• “Your vision can be 10 times better than what you think is because we hold ourselves back oftentimes.” 
• “Acceptance is accepting who I am, and I think very highly of myself. I didn’t before, but I’ve learned that if I don’t do it, nobody else is gonna do it for me.” 
• “Obstacles are actually doors and pathways to success. Count them. They’re your blessings.” 
• “When I have an assignment from a client, I own it. I think of them when I start the day off, I think of the CEO or the VP of sales, whoever I’m recruiting for, and I’m thinking of his vision and what it’s gonna take to get there.” 
• “I don’t hide behind emails or text or stuff like that as much as I possibly can.” 

In this episode, Richard engages with Dr. Jim Karrh to delve into the significance of B2B success stories and their impact on purchasing decisions. They discuss the crucial components of effective storytelling and how it can build trust, drive conversations, and distinguish leading brands. From articulating the hero's journey to integrating emotional elements, they uncover the principles behind compelling customer stories. They also explore practical strategies for assembling 'story banks' and effectively deploying these narratives across different business functions, including sales, marketing, product, and customer success teams. Jim shares actionable advice for making stories resonate deeply with varied personas and industry roles, ultimately maximizing impact. The conversation concludes with recommendations on leveraging success stories internally to foster alignment and better customer understanding within teams. Additionally, Jim offers insights from Robert Cialdini's influential book, 'Influence,' as a valuable resource for mastering the psychology of decision-making.

Chapters

00:00 The Power of B2B Success Stories

01:02 Introduction to Dr. Jim Karrh

01:55 Essential Components of a Good Success Story

04:42 The Importance of Emotion in Storytelling

06:09 Crafting Relatable and Engaging Stories

11:18 Building and Utilizing a Story Bank

12:58 Cross-Industry Storytelling and Its Benefits

17:43 Deploying Success Stories Effectively

20:47 Broader Applications of Success Stories

23:42 Final Thoughts and Recommendations

26:10 Closing Remarks and Personal Reflections

Keywords

storytelling, customer success stories, case studies, B2B marketing, trust building, emotional hook, hero’s journey, sales conversations, customer experience, fear and anxiety, story bank, buyer personas, use cases, industry relevance, cross-industry insights, business problems, expert seller, knowledge, skill, team support, sales enablement, messaging, marketing, product teams, customer success teams, internal alignment, outcomes, compliance, stress reduction, teamwork, pipeline, forecasting, Robert Cialdini, Influence, social proof

Sound Bites

• “The challenge for a lot of customer success stories is to bring that human element in, because behind every business decision there’s fear, anxiety, or a gnawing problem driving it.”
• “I’m a big fan of what we might call story banks. It’s a collection, almost like a box of chocolates, so you’ve always got the right story to match the buyer, the role, or the use case.”
• “The three key inputs for good storytelling are knowledge, skill, and team support. Confidence is not an input. It’s a byproduct.”
• “Never tell a buyer, ‘I know a situation exactly like yours.’ People recoil from being told they’re exactly like somebody else. Instead, say, ‘This reminds me of…’ or ‘I see some similarities.’”
• “When you frame outcomes in your success stories, don’t stop at revenue or cost savings. Think broadly...less frustration, more compliance, reduced stress, and smoother teamwork can be just as powerful.”

In this episode of Some Goodness, host Richard Ellis interviews Dr. Jim Karrh, a renowned professor, author, and consultant specializing in marketing and customer communication. They discuss the critical importance of understanding and improving customer health as businesses face significant attrition challenges. The conversation explores how traditional methods like Net Promoter Score (NPS) are becoming outdated, and introduces a more holistic, data-driven approach to evaluating customer health. Jim highlights a three-dimensional framework comprising customer relationship quality, product usage, and value realization, offering practical guidance on how to implement these metrics. The episode also delves into the role of different business teams in influencing customer health and shares best practices for conducting effective Quarterly Business Reviews (QBRs).

Here is a link to the resesarch Jim mentions: https://hbr.org/2024/07/toward-healthier-b2b-relationships

Keywords
 customer health, customer relationship quality, product usage, value realization, retention, churn prediction, net promoter score, NPS, Harvard Business Review, Toward Healthier B2B Relationships, customer success, account expansion, data-driven strategies, subjective vs. objective data, QBR, quarterly business review, strategic collaboration, value creation, BigCommerce, Revenue Innovations, customer success team, sales team alignment, customer retention, predictive metrics, customer experience, multi-dimensional framework, account team, product team, financial team, customer insights, client engagement

Sound Bites 

•  "Sometimes it's hard to get customers to tell us what's going on."
•  "We really need to engage a lot of different teams inside the company to get a good gauge of customer health."
•  "Map out contributions by function to customer health. Just start there."
•  "Treat QBR as a precious opportunity."
•  "No one expects your stuff to work perfectly all the time."
•  "Be as objective as you can in terms of the inputs to gauge customer health and rely on your best people across teams to say, what are the implications for us?"
•  "Start somewhere. You probably have a lot of good inputs that can get you going."

In this episode of 'Some Goodness,' host Richard Ellis welcomes Drea Armstrong, a seasoned VP of Marketing at Kubit, to explore the challenges and opportunities in building an executive-level marketing career. They discuss the increasing competitiveness of marketing roles, with less than 5% of marketers reaching VP positions, and the need to adapt to constant change. Drea shares her insights on the importance of leveraging new tools, the shift from activity metrics to outcome-based measures, and the critical role of empathy and technical leadership. They also delve into the significance of experimentation, the practical use of AI to increase efficiency, and the evolving landscape of marketing leadership. The conversation is packed with practical tips and strategies for aspiring marketing leaders.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction: The Competitive Landscape of Marketing Careers

00:42 Meet Drea Armstrong: A Dynamic Marketing Executive

01:28 Navigating Change and Innovation in Marketing

03:30 Proving Marketing's Impact: From Activity to Outcomes

05:38 The Importance of Empathy and Strategic Leadership

08:15 Embracing Experimentation and Learning from Failure

12:55 Leveraging AI in Modern Marketing

20:23 Path to Leadership: Overcoming Imposter Syndrome

22:02 Closing Thoughts and Sharing Goodness

Keywords

Marketing leadership, B2B SaaS, innovation, change management, marketing technology, automation, outcomes over activity, data-driven marketing, voice of the customer, empathy in leadership, experimentation, best practices, AI in marketing, efficiency, workflow integration, career advancement, imposter syndrome, authenticity, collaboration, organizational success, audience insights

Sountbites

"For me, change has always been the constant."

"Fortune favors the brave; it’s those who are not afraid of the change who end up leading organizations."

"You need to be an authentic member of your market, not just someone asking questions from the outside."

"Failure is so important, not just as a department or company, but as an individual."

"Experimentation is where the money’s made; best practices are just a starting point, not gospel."

"AI isn’t replacing anything; it’s giving you the time to complete the stuff you never had time to do."

"It’s about weaving AI into your day, not adding it as one more thing on your to-do list."

"Imposter syndrome is very real, but those who feel it are often the most fit to lead."

"As a leader, you’re responsible not just for your function but for the success of the entire organization."

In this episode, host Richard Ellis interviews marketing executive Dreya Armstrong. They discuss the underutilization of MarTech stacks, currently at just one-third of capacity according to Gartner. Dreya, the VP of Marketing at Kubit, shares insights on simplifying marketing operations and driving impactful business transformations. She emphasizes the importance of aligning tech adoption with real needs, reducing operational friction, and cultivating a culture of continuous learning and collaboration. The conversation covers key strategies for achieving operational excellence, the significance of questioning the status quo, and the value of building strong, trust-based relationships across technical and non-technical teams.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction: Underutilization of MarTech Stacks

00:42 Meet Drea Armstrong: Simplifying Marketing Complexity

01:40 The Persistent Issue of Underutilized Tech

05:29 Operational Excellence vs. Business Impact

13:07 Bridging the Gap: Technical and Non-Technical Stakeholders

16:27 Practical Tips for Simplification and Efficiency

21:11 Conclusion and Personal Insights

Keywords

MarTech stacks, simplification, strategic transformation, marketing ops, impact, operational excellence, automation, ROI, business impact, enabler, status quo, tech silos, bridging the gap, goals, effort audit.

Soundbites

•  Automation without understanding is like painting a dirty room if you don't know where stuff is supposed to go, layering automation over the top of it makes it a bigger mess that you just have to end up digging everything out.
•  If the answers are fuzzy, the tool's probably not worth the investment.
•  If you have an ops person that people are flagging to say, let's get them in this room and be part of the conversation, that's a really good sign that you're functioning with operational excellence on the counterpart.
•  I think the concept of, that's how we've always done it, is a red flag for it probably needs to be redone.
•  I'll take a look at my team's work and I'll say, ‘let's go through this with our goals in mind and mark whether or not the work you're doing on a, you know, it's a one week audit. This week, I just want you to write down everything you did in the week, and then I want you to say whether true or false, this activity contributed directly to one of the goals that we have for the court.

In this special episode of Some Goodness, host Richard revisits a popular conversation with executive leadership expert Jack Galloway. Jack shares invaluable insights on handling conflict, creating clarity, and leading with both courage and kindness. This episode addresses why it's crucial to tackle difficult conversations promptly and how clarity equates to kindness in leadership. Galloway offers practical advice on managing difficult interactions and building stronger teams, making this episode essential listening for current and aspiring leaders. The episode also includes statistics highlighting the prevalence of toxic coworkers and ineffective managers in the workplace, underscoring the need for adept leadership. 

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview

01:22 Statistics on Difficult People at Work

02:01 Introducing Jack Galloway

03:00 Jack's Perspective on Avoiding Conflict

05:05 Practical Tips for Handling Conflict

06:33 The Importance of Clarity in Leadership

12:26 Balancing Candor and Kindness

18:38 Prioritizing Tasks and Managing Workload

28:10 Creating a Positive Work Culture

32:27 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Keywords

difficult conversations, conflict, clarity, kindness, leadership, team, tough conversations, boundaries, trust, radical candor, curiosity, empathy, feedback, culture, priorities, effectiveness, toxic people, workplace, honesty, vision, goals, roles, performance, administrative burden, coaching, communication, trust, influence, feedback, change, personal growth, professional development, strategy, family, teams, success, priorities, stress, busyness, management, sales, trust, toxic culture, role clarity, transitions, career, kindness, constructive criticism

Soundbites

• To be unclear is to be unkind. To be clear is to be kind. And that just resonated with me, especially with my Enneagram nine peacemaker style. I sometimes was being so kind that I wasn't delivering any clarity.
• The majority of the population simply just does not deal well with conflict in any part of their life—including in the workplace. There's fear that it's gonna go horribly wrong. They don't know how to do it the right way. So there's fear that it's gonna go wrong, and there's a lack of just skill and experience on the right way to do it, to have a positive outcome.
• The things that I always try to do when I'm having a, what I call a difficult conversation, is to be curious and curious to me means I'm not predetermining what's going on. I don't know what's going on. All I know is what I observed.
• If I have difficult conversations with 10 people on a regular consistent basis, with nine of them, if I will have it early, ask questions, be non-judgmental, be clear, point out what I'm seeing, have the courage to tell 'em what's working and what's not working—even the toughest character out there wants to engage with a leader that does that.
• We feel like we have cast a clear vision, we've cast a clear plan, a clear strategy, some clear goals. We feel like everybody knows exactly what we know and what we're thinking. And then when I sit down with their teams, very few of them have those things and they go, you know what? I don't know those things. I've heard bits and pieces, but I don't know where we're going or why we're going there.
• If we'll do the things we're talking about while we're in that level of influence in that role, it impacts those people beyond just their jobs. It impacts them in their family lives. It makes fathers better fathers. It makes mothers better mothers. It makes people better spouses and it helps 'em in different areas of their life.”

In this special birthday episode of 'Some Goodness,' host Richard revisits the most downloaded episode of the year featuring Mike Fouts, an experienced Chief Business Officer. They discuss the unique challenges and valuable lessons learned when leading a high-growth business unit within a larger legacy software company. Key insights include retraining muscle memory from traditional business practices, the importance of prioritizing what matters, and the distinct differences in marketing and client acquisition. The episode also offers practical advice for leaders contemplating career moves into high-growth or legacy companies. 

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Special Announcement

00:14 Replay of the Most Downloaded Episode

02:12 Introduction to Mike Fouts

03:00 Challenges of Leading a Growth Company

05:11 Adapting to High-Growth Dynamics

07:10 Differences in Business Reviews

10:59 Customer Acquisition and Marketing Strategies

12:45 Fundamentals and Practical Tips

15:28 Career Advice for Leaders

17:29 Personal Anecdotes and Conclusion

Keywords

growth company, legacy company, muscle memory, agility, flexibility, delegation, collaboration, acceptance, prioritization, customer acquisition, marketing, top of funnel, sales methodology, pipeline, velocity, scale, profitability, structure, leadership, career move, self-awareness, business review, fundamentals, expansion, renewals, governance, transformation, operational systems, mindset shift, hiring, change management, RPM, culture fit, headcount, efficiency, business unit

Soundbites

• “Growth companies are much less rigid and more flexible... You have to be much more aware of delegating, of being accepting of certain things, and encouraging people to test the limits of rules and the box you live in.”
• “Know who you are, and be honest about what you want... Our time on this marble is pretty short, so don’t be miserable in that time.” 
• “You’re going to introduce process where you don’t need process... Accept it and go and let it run because it’s in a growth mode.” 
• “The biggest thing we do differently is customer acquisition and marketing… Your two primary plays in a legacy company are expand and renew. But in a growth company, the lifeblood is the land component.” 
• “Prioritize what matters... and just accept the rest and put it on your list and address it as time and the business evolve and permit.” 
• “You can’t change everything.” (A mantra that recurs throughout Mike’s commentary and reinforces his approach to leadership transitions)

In this special anniversary episode, Richard Ellis is joined by Heather Easterday to celebrate one year of 'Some Goodness' by reflecting on the show's origins, discussing the importance of structured reflection in organizations, and sharing insights from interviews with business leaders. Topics include effective leadership, the power of storytelling, the importance of sales and marketing alignment, and practical tips for new C-level leaders. The episode emphasizes the value of mentorship and consistent messaging within organizations, while providing actionable advice for navigating career moves between high-growth startups and established companies.

Chapters

00:00 Reflecting on a Year of Success

00:49 The Origin Story of the Podcast

03:51 The Power of Difficult Conversations

07:22 The Art of Storytelling in Leadership

11:23 Aligning Sales and Marketing for Success

15:10 The Importance of Consistent Messaging

17:58 Mentoring and Leading Different Teams

23:41 Making Career Moves: Advice for Leaders

25:40 Looking Ahead: Exciting Future Plans   

Keywords

In this special anniversary episode, the hosts celebrate one year of 'Some Goodness' by reflecting on the show's origins, discussing the importance of structured reflection in organizations, and sharing insights from interviews with business leaders. Topics include effective leadership, the power of storytelling, the importance of sales and marketing alignment, and practical tips for new C-level leaders. The episode emphasizes the value of mentorship and consistent messaging within organizations, while providing actionable advice for navigating career moves between high-growth startups and established companies.

Soundbites

• “Sometimes the body part you like to train least is the one you really need to train most.” – Chris Strammiello
• “Clarity is kindness. But if I’m kind without the clarity, I haven’t done you any favors.” – Jack Galloway
• “It’s not your pitch, it’s our pitch.” – Chris Strammiello
• “People won’t remember all 20 slides, but they’ll remember how you made them feel.” – Larry Sweeney
• “Consistency isn’t about finding the perfect words — it’s about making sure everyone uses the same words.”– Stacy Leidwinger
• “If sales isn’t successful, we’re not successful.” – from Tracey Mustacchio’s story about a pivotal wake-up call
• “You have to create a tribe of mentors around your team.” – Chris Strammiello
• “Know who you are. Know what you want.” – Mike Fouts
• “Avoiding difficult conversations almost always makes the problem worse.” – Jack Galloway
• “Own the morning. It’s the only time that feels like it’s fully yours.” – Chris Strammiello

In this episode, we discuss the challenges and necessities of translating bold strategies into actionable growth with Chris Strammiello, Chief Revenue Officer at Lean Solutions Group. With over 25 years of experience in sales, marketing, and strategic operations, Chris highlights the critical role of leadership, different approaches to growth depending on industry and business needs, and the importance of owning and shaping strategies. Key takeaways include understanding product-market fit, navigating dependencies, the value of broad market insights, and aligning teams and board members around shared goals. Chris also shares personal insights on maintaining balance and productivity in a demanding executive career.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction: The Challenge of Turning Strategy into Action

00:49 Guest Introduction: Meet Chris Strammiello

01:17 Growth Mindset: Adapting to Business Needs

05:06 Executing vs. Developing Strategy

11:01 Aligning with the Board: Key Elements for Success

15:07 Team Alignment: Engaging and Involving Your Team

18:23 Executing a Given Strategy: Ownership and Accountability

20:23 Conclusion: Extra Goodness and Personal Insights

Keywords

strategy, execution, growth, leadership, sales, CRO, McKinsey, revenue, mindset, transformation, alignment, scaling, adjacency, board, metrics, ownership, accountability, communication, team, product-market fit, Lean Solutions, market opportunity, repeatable, scalable, dependencies, change management, collaboration, transparency, innovation, talent, planning, risk, numbers, feedback, buy-in, stakeholders, culture, morning routine, Miracle Morning

Soundbites

• "Sometimes the body part you like to train least is the one you really need to train most." 
• "When you get to the top of the sales stack, what you've done is not good enough anymore." 
• "It's all about the numbers... You can have great ideas, you can have great structural concepts, but show me the numbers." 
• "Show me why it's repeatable. You gotta show me why it's scalable." 
• "It's not your pitch, it's our pitch. And that's more powerful." 
• "A culture of accountability is so essential in sales, and if your leaders or your sellers view any light between you and your CRO, you and your CEO, you and the plan itself, well that's gonna really dramatically lower their accountability." 
• "The approach  you take is almost as important as the deliverables." 

In this episode of 'Some Goodness,' Richard hosts Stacy Leidinger, a seasoned product and marketing leader, to discuss the critical importance of consistent messaging across all organizational functions. Highlighting research from Forrester B2B that shows aligned sales and marketing teams achieve 24% faster revenue growth over three years, Stacy explains how clarity and consistency in messaging can differentiate a company and enhance its brand power. The conversation delves into practical steps for creating effective messaging by incorporating customer feedback, testing through various channels, and consistently updating internal playbooks. The episode also touches on the application of AI tools to optimize and scale messaging efforts. Stacy shares insights on leveraging a master messaging playbook across marketing, sales, and customer success teams, as well as the importance of enabling channel partners with simple, effective communication tools. The discussion concludes with a balanced view on whether CROs should oversee both sales and marketing to ensure alignment.

Chapters

00:00 The Power of Consistent Messaging

00:42 Introduction to Stacy Leidinger

01:20 The Importance of Consistency Over Perfection

03:14 Crafting the Perfect Message: Steps and Strategies

04:23 Testing and Validating Your Message

06:41 Leveraging Analysts and Events for Messaging

08:33 Creating and Using a Messaging Playbook

14:55 The Role of AI in Messaging

22:01 Aligning Sales and Marketing: The CRO Debate

25:05 Final Thoughts and AI Tools for Productivity

Keywords

aligned teams, consistent messaging, revenue growth, sales, marketing, customer success, message consistency, brand power, voice of the customer, value proposition, message testing, cross-functional collaboration, product, positioning, stats, customer stories, playbooks, RFPs, executive alignment, partner enablement, analyst feedback, Gartner, message format, sales enablement, SDRs, SEs, messaging playbook, content reuse, storytelling, AI tools, generative AI, persona targeting, industry messaging, message optimization, website content, social posts, PR, proof points, sales conversations, discovery, industry case studies, partner messaging, trigger words, product differentiation, revenue impact, marketing alignment, CRO, CMO, demand generation, brand awareness, strategic alignment, SEO, Notebook LM, Google AI, productivity tools, content summarization.

Soundbites

• “It doesn’t matter having the perfect words. It matters being consistent.”
• “When an organization all uses the same words, that’s when you get power of brand, power of message.”
• “Messaging is so critical to everything the organization does.”
• “You don’t have to share everything day one, day two, or even day 50. Just pull the right piece at the right time.”
• “Customers pick up on inconsistencies.”
• “You can only grow as fast as everyone recognizes your name.”
• “You need to make your messaging so simple that when they hear those words, they think of you.”
• “If your product helps them sell more, it will get moved up in that line.”
• “SEO in five years is going to be gone.”
• “The partner’s not going to say your acronym. They’re going to talk about the pain they have.”
• “You need to make your messaging so simple that when they hear those words, they think of you.”

In this episode of 'Some Goodness', Richard Ellis discusses the significant impact of mentorship on business outcomes, from improved employee retention and job satisfaction to increased revenue and profits, with guest Chris Strammiello, Chief Revenue Officer at Lean Solutions Group. Chris shares his unique career journey, the role of mentors in his success, and his approach to leading and mentoring diverse teams. He emphasizes the importance of tailored, intentional mentoring and the benefits of leveraging the collective wisdom within an organization. The discussion also covers practical tips for creating effective mentoring programs, fostering a culture of continual learning, and building resilient, high-performing teams.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction: The Power of Mentoring

01:04 Meet Chris Strammiello: A Journey of Leadership

02:04 The Value of Diverse Experiences in Leadership

04:25 Triangulating Wisdom: Leveraging Team Insights

05:58 From Mentee to Mentor: Overcoming Imposter Syndrome

08:26 Building High-Performing Teams Through Mentorship

13:33 Personalized Coaching: Tailoring Mentorship to Individual Needs

16:44 Scaling Mentorship: Coaching Leaders to Mentor

19:39 Final Thoughts: Intentional and Structured Mentoring

20:50 Extra Goodness: Simplifying Fitness for Better Results

Keywords

mentoring, mentorship, leadership, sales leadership, team development, coaching, business growth, employee retention, job satisfaction, professional development, high performance teams, revenue growth, leadership training, personalized coaching, internal mentoring, external mentoring, learning blocks, preparation, trust building, scalable leadership, first-line managers, leadership pipeline, mentoring structure, sales enablement, sales training, executive coaching, organizational health, leadership confidence, decision-making, career development, tribe of mentors, case for change, tailored coaching, growth mindset, mentoring outcomes, business transformation, talent development, strategic leadership, mentorship programs, leadership impact

Soundbites

• "Mentors have really been what's allowed me to find some success and to make great relationships—I look at that as the cornerstone of my career."
• "You can’t do it on your own. The success of a sale is the culmination of the work of your entire organization."
• "There’s magic in getting things done through others."
• "I don’t have a monopoly on good ideas—and neither do my best team members. That’s why I triangulate the wisdom of others."
• "People need free space to learn that’s not directly under the microscope of their manager."
• "If you want to scale your impact, it’s not just about your mentoring—it’s about building a tribe of mentors around your team."
• "You’ve got to create the case for change, even with your own people—not just customers."
• "The more personal you make every coaching point, the more buy-in and change you’ll get."
• "I’m still a mentee. I’m learning from my team, from other leaders, from everyone around me."
• "Sometimes, simplifying to one thing is what drives the most progress."

In this episode, seasoned business leader Stacy Leidinger joins Richard Ellis to discuss the critical importance of understanding and operationalizing the voice of the customer in B2B environments. Highlighting that only 14% of companies have a comprehensive view of their customer despite the significantly higher profitability for those that do, Stacy provides practical guidance on capturing customer insights and integrating them into sales and marketing strategies. Various techniques for maintaining engagement, aligning sales and marketing teams, and leveraging technology for buyer intent signals are also discussed, emphasizing a customer-centric approach across all business operations.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Importance of Customer Insights

00:39 Meet Stacy Leidinger: B2B Software Leader

01:08 Challenges in Capturing the Voice of the Customer

04:03 Strategies for Effective Customer Advocacy

06:05 Aligning Sales and Marketing for Success

08:03 The Role of Marketing in Sales Enablement

14:11 Engaging Customers with Insights and Technology

20:07 Practical Tips for Leaders

21:08 Conclusion and Personal Goodness

Keywords

Voice of customer, B2B marketing, customer insights, sales alignment, marketing alignment, revenue growth, outcomes, value, customer pain points, customer advocacy, events, sales enablement, product marketing, QBR, shared metrics, go-to-market kickoffs, buyer intent signals, personalization, customer engagement, leadership practices

Soundbites

• "It's all about the value and the outcomes." 
• "When organizations don't stay close to the customer, they assume they know who it is. That's one of those fundamental challenges that I often see organizations fall victim to." 
• "There is one number that the board stakeholders and everyone cares about, and that's the revenue you're producing." 
• "The best organizations I've worked with haven't had sales kickoffs. They've had go to market kickoffs." 
• "Out of all the customers that bought and were new that we acquired this quarter, how many showed buying signals six months ago? And it was 80%." 
• "When you're in any meeting, you're discussing anything about the company. If you haven't heard someone say the word customer. Ask why." 
• "I can't think of anything that really shouldn't center around the customer that you're doing." 
• "Customer pains are always shifting. Business dynamics are always changing." 
• "If sales isn't successful, we're not successful." 

In this episode, Richard Ellis and executive recruiter David Wolf discuss the challenges of hiring the right sales talent. The conversation covers the importance of resilience, grit, and a growth mindset in sales. David shares insights on the evolving dynamics of remote work, effective recruiting practices, and the significance of understanding company culture and market trends. Practical tips for new sales leaders to build a successful sales team and the essential role of communication in the hiring process are highlighted. The episode wraps up with David sharing some personal goodness about community and camaraderie fostered through playing pickleball.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction: The Challenge of Hiring Sales Talent

00:40 Meet the Expert: David Wolf's Background

01:50 The Complexity of Hiring in Today's Market

04:42 Key Traits of Successful Salespeople

06:34 Building a Resilient and Knowledgeable Sales Team

10:50 Understanding Company Culture and Market Trends

15:02 The Role of Sales Leaders in Recruitment

18:03 Final Thoughts and Practical Tips

18:57 Personal Reflections and Closing Remarks

Keywords

Sales Hiring, Sales Team, Recruiting, Sales Talent, Sales Leadership, Sales Culture, Sales Process, Sales Success, Hiring Mistakes, Sales Training, Remote Sales, Onboarding, Sales Growth, Talent Acquisition, Resilience, Grit, Growth Mindset, Entrepreneurial Mindset, Customer Success, Communication Skills, Sales Pipeline, Interview Process, Culture Fit, Sales Development, Hiring Strategy, Candidate Selection, Sales Coaching, Sales Enablement, High-Performing Teams, Executive Recruiting, Building a Sales Team

Sound Bites

• "Resilience is the number one issue. The best salespeople bounce back quickly and don’t let rejection derail them." 
• "Great sales teams don’t just happen—they’re built with intention, strong leadership, and the right hiring process." 
• "If you don’t believe in the product, don’t take the job. Chasing a comp plan alone will never make you successful." 
• "Sales leaders need to be hands-on in hiring. You can’t just rely on HR’s keyword searches to find the best talent." 
• "The best sales reps treat their territory like their own business. That entrepreneurial mindset makes all the difference." 
• "A great salesperson isn’t just a closer—they’re a listener, a strategist, and a problem-solver." 
• "Job descriptions are living documents. Once you start interviewing, you may realize your ideal hire looks different than what you expected." 
• "Don’t build a sales team without understanding your culture, your customers, and how you’ll support your reps to succeed."
• "Your best hire might not check every box on paper, but they bring something invaluable to the team." 
• "Sales is a game of momentum. The reps who never stop learning, never stop growing." 

This episode of 'Some Goodness' explores how to handle difficult conversations and set boundaries in the workplace to build stronger teams. Host Richard Ellis engages with Jack Galloway, a seasoned executive and leadership consultant, who shares his expertise on transforming challenging interactions into growth opportunities. Key insights include the importance of addressing problems promptly, approaching conversations with curiosity and empathy, balancing clarity with kindness, and fostering a culture of honesty and mutual respect. Galloway's practical tips are aimed at helping leaders manage conflict effectively and align their teams towards common goals.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction: The Prevalence of Difficult Coworkers

00:23 Transforming Challenges into Opportunities

00:49 Meet Jack Galloway: Leadership Expert

01:38 The Importance of Addressing Conflict Early

05:11 Practical Tips for Handling Tough Conversations

10:53 Balancing Candor with Kindness

17:10 Prioritizing Tasks for Effective Leadership

26:39 Creating a Positive Workplace Culture

31:04 Conclusion: The Impact of Good Leadership

Keywords

Conflict resolution, Toxic coworkers, Leadership, Clarity / Being clear, Avoidance, Fear, Boundaries, Team harmony, Candor / Kindness, Culture, Coaching and mentoring, Role alignment, Trust, Underperformance, Priorities and capacity, Toxic environment, Growth opportunities, High-performing teams, Accountability

Sound Bites

•  “Difficult people are everywhere, and avoiding them isn’t an option.”
•  “I would rather see a business leader do fewer things and do them with success, do them well, than to do many things and do none of them well.”
•  “To be unclear is to be unkind, and to be clear is to be kind.”
•  “When you mention venting, I’m actually okay with venting if it leads us somewhere.”
•  “If we’re not doing these things, we should not expect our teams to do these things.”
•  “You could take a great salesperson who’s good on a phone … and suddenly you put them in doing some administrative duties and their productivity goes from a nine to about a two.”
•  “If we’ll do the things we’re talking about while we’re in that level of influence in that role, it impacts those people beyond just their jobs … it helps them in different areas of their life.”
•  “We still have to lead our organization towards success. But in the midst of doing that, we do all these things that we’ve talked about here today, and we start to develop a really strong team.”

In this episode of 'Some Goodness,' Richard Ellis invites his friend and business partner, Mark Gaydos, to share insights from his video series, 'Rooted in the Real World.' Mark talks about how the concept of the series evolved through exploring themes like farming, nature, and craftsmanship, and how they can be applied to leadership and organizational health. Key takeaways include the importance of single, strong leadership and the microbial elements of organizational culture. The episode also draws attention to balancing the digital and human aspects o leadership, using practical insights from real lived experiences.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Accenture Life Trends 2025

00:36 Exploring Rooted in the Real World

01:01 Meet Mark Gaydos

01:57 The Genesis of Rooted in the Real World

05:36 Lessons from the Christmas Tree Farm

11:35 Insights from the Regenerative Farm

17:50 Balancing Tech and Human Connection

22:20 A Personal Story from Normandy

24:46 Conclusion and Challenge to Viewers

Keywords

Leadership, Revenue Enablement, AI & Technology, Human-Centered Work, Culture, Business Growth, Organizational Health, Digital Fatigue, Trust & Accountability

Storytelling, Vision & Mission, Strategic Planning, Farming & Cultivation, Regenerative Business, Adaptability, Inspiration, Communication, Decision-Making, Operating Systems, Team Dynamics

Soundbites

•  "Businesses must recognize the shift towards authenticity and meaningful human experiences." 
•  "The tree will eventually get unhealthy if you let the double leader go. You’ve got to be good at recognizing it and trimming it out." 
•  "For an organization to thrive, you have to address unhealthy leadership early and head-on." 
•  "Trust is the foundation. Without it, you get conflict, silos, and political battles that poison an organization."
•  "AI is just a tool. The passion, creativity, and human connection—that’s all us." 
•  "Want to fix culture? Start with your values. If leadership isn’t modeling them, they’re just words on a wall." 
•  "A strong leader doesn’t just accept the role—they get it, they want it, and they have the capacity to do it."
•  "Success in leadership is about recognizing the unseen—those small, toxic elements that build up over time."
•  "The greatest leaders are those who model the way—who step up first when it's hard." 
•  "Shut down your device. Get out in the real world. That’s where the best ideas come from." 

In this episode of Some Goodness, host Richard Ellis welcomes back Larry Sweeney, SVP of global enterprise sales at Nerdio. They dive into the qualities of transformational leadership that boost employee satisfaction and productivity. Larry shares his unique leadership style centered on empathy, consistent praise, and accountability. They discuss the importance of weekly one-on-ones, effective storytelling, and the balance between fun and fierce accountability in driving high performance. The episode offers practical insights for both new and seasoned leaders aiming to maximize their impact.

Chapters:

00:00 Introduction to Transformational Leadership

00:28 Meet Larry Sweeney: Innovative Sales Leader

01:01 Establishing Your Personal Leadership Style

01:41 The Golden Rule in Leadership

04:08 The Importance of One-on-One Meetings

07:40 The Power of Storytelling in Leadership

12:05 Effective Quarterly Business Reviews

15:56 Balancing Fun and Accountability

17:59 Personal Goodness: Fitness and Well-being

19:01 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Keywords:

Leadership, Sales Teams, Coaching, Accountability, Storytelling, Employee Satisfaction, Recognition, Business Reviews, Motivation, Performance, Transformation, Emotional Intelligence, Collaboration, Listening, Communication, Trust, Engagement, Culture, Influence, Growth

Soundbites:

• "Celebrate in public and coach in private."
• "Nothing else is more important than you and the relationship you have with your manager."
• "It's M&Ms—Money and Managers. That’s what keeps people in their jobs."
• "Force yourself not to give the same advice twice in a row, because when you do, you're going to lose people."
• "Fierce accountability—people know I demand a lot, but I set a culture of fun and engagement."
• "When a storyteller gets on stage, I’m hooked—so I decided to practice storytelling myself." 
• "Creating a culture of fear makes people close up, perform worse, and then the cycle continues."
• "Leaders can’t let emotion take over—when it does, conversations go down unproductive routes."
• "A weekly one-on-one is the most important meeting—it should never be pushed or canceled."
• "Open-ended one-on-ones put too much pressure on the direct report. Managers need to lead them."
• "A good manager leads coaching calls with intention. Don’t assume your team knows what to ask for."
• "Fun and fierce accountability can co-exist. You can have fun while still demanding high performance."

In this episode of Some Goodness, host Richard Ellis and Larry Sweeney, SVP of Global Enterprise Sales at Nerdio, discuss actionable strategies for building and leading high-performance sales teams. Larry shares his perspectives on the importance of belief in achieving ambitious targets, the power of a consistent operating cadence, fostering a positive team culture, and the significance of grit and hustle in sales. The conversation is packed with practical tips, inspiring stories, and insights into building a team that thrives under pressure, adapts to challenges, and consistently overachieves. 

Chapters:

00:00 Introduction: The Power of Speed in Leadership

00:28 Welcome to Some Goodness

00:38 Meet Larry Sweeney: Transformative Sales Leader

02:23 The Importance of Belief in Leadership

06:46 Establishing a Predictable Cadence

11:22 Creating a Positive and Fun Culture

17:58 Grit and Hustle: Keys to Success

23:04 Conclusion and Farewell

23:27 Personal Goodness: Family and Hockey

Keywords: leadership, execution, first-mover advantage, market shifts, growth, quota attainment, pipeline development, competitive spirit, motivation, mistakes, mindset, coaching, team development, mentorship, training, peer coaching, culture, fun, psychological safety, hustle, grit, resilience. deal structuring, sales territory swaps, closing strategies

Soundbites:

• “If you give me a number, I’m going to hit it no matter what.” 
• “It starts with belief. I’m gauging how much they believe in the company, the product, the market, and their ability to overachieve on their number.” 
• “Sometimes all it takes is shaking things up. I’ve swapped salespeople’s territories on the spot—removing their preconceived beliefs—and suddenly they’re doing 200% of their previous quota.” 
•  “When we build teams of people and coach them to think creatively about their territory, we get different results.” 
• “I fundamentally don’t believe in breaking somebody down in the middle of a QBR in front of a room. Coaching is a private activity.” 
• “Fun is a core part of the culture I build—because when people are enjoying their work, they take risks, make decisions more freely, and ultimately win more.” 
• “Hustle is when you don’t let yourself give up. There’s always a way—sometimes you just have to create it.” 
• “Being gritty is about showing up to a tough board meeting, getting grilled, taking the hits, and then immediately switching gears to lead your team with optimism.” 

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In this episode, Richard Ellis and Steve Graves explore the complex dynamics of how leaders handle success and failure. Drawing from decades of experience working with thousands of leaders, Graves presents a counterintuitive perspective: many leaders actually struggle more with handling success than failure. The conversation delves into four main dangers of success—overinflated abilities, entitlement, addiction to success, and complacency—while introducing Graves' concept of "formation," which argues that leaders must grow who they are at the same rate as what they're doing.

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Chapters:

[00:00:00] Introduction and Success vs. Failure

[00:00:38] Guest Introduction - Steve Graves

[00:01:22] The Challenges of Handling Success

[00:03:00] Four Dangers of Success

[00:05:29] Leading with Strong Teams

[00:07:59] Feedback and Blind Spots

[00:09:58] The Addiction to Success

[00:12:11] Leader Formation Concept

[00:16:30] Handling Failure as a Leader

[00:19:43] Closing Thoughts and Resources

Keywords: Leadership Development, Success Management, Failure Analysis, Blind Spots, Team Building, Feedback Culture, Formation, Entitlement, Leadership Growth, Executive Coaching, Self-awareness, 360 Feedback, Personal Development

Soundbites:

• "Often handling and digesting and sustaining success is just a lot of times harder for people than it is handling failure."
• "Leaders play the role that the leader is supposed to play. And often you have way more talented people around you in the organization than maybe you were originally comfortable with."
• "If I don't have a culture that really invites honest objective feedback, I can pass out a 360, but nobody's going to really give me anything."
• "It's really important that leaders grow who they are at the same rate of what they're doing."
• "There's a difference in a data point and a trend line... If I have a trend line, maybe I'm too ambitious with my goals."

In this reflective episode of Some Goodness, hosts Richard Ellis and Heather Easterday look back on their inaugural year of the podcast, sharing highlights, insights, and lessons learned from engaging conversations with business leaders. The episode emphasizes the power of reflection in professional growth. Key moments include Al Monserrat’s discussion on the importance of punctuality in leadership, Tracey Mustachio’s “from-to” framework for navigating change, and Eva Daniel’s advice on building rapport and likability through body language and authenticity. The recurring theme across all episodes is the importance of a growth mindset for leaders—embracing opportunities for personal and team improvement. This celebratory recap underscores the value of intentionality and focus in leadership.

Chapters:

[00:00:00] Introduction 

[00:03:55] Highlight from Episode 1 - Al Monserrat

[00:04:47] Highlight from Episode 3 - Tracey Mustacchio

[00:08:45] Highlight from Episode 7 - Justin Barney

[00:11:33] Highlight from Episode 8 - Mike Fouts

[00:14:37] Highlight from Episode 12 - Steve Graves

[00:18:36] Highlight from Episode 13 - Eva Daniel

Keywords:

Reflection, leadership, growth mindset, rapport, likability, board meetings, punctuality, career paths, change vision, personal growth.

Soundbites:

• Al Monserrat (Episode 1):
  "It’s extremely important to show respect by being on time and finishing on time—small actions that reflect big credibility."
• Tracey Mustachio (Episode 3):
  "Use a ‘from-to’ framework: Here’s where we are, here’s our North Star, and here’s where we’re headed—this clarity drives alignment and progress."
• Justin Barney (Episode 7):
  "A leader who understands the technology they’re selling earns trust from their team, partners, and customers—it’s essential for credibility and success."
• Mike Fouts (Episode 8):
  "In growth companies, agility and fluid processes are key, but scaling requires a balance with structure and repeatability."
• Steve Graves (Episode 12):
  "Sometimes you need to slow down to go faster—strategic pauses can lead to sustainable growth and stronger foundations."
• Eva Daniel (Episode 13):
  "If people like and trust you, they’ll want to follow you—rapport and likability are essential leadership tools."

In this conversation, Richard Ellis and Darin Archer discuss the importance of building relationships with sales and marketing leaders. They emphasize the need for product leaders to acknowledge that their ideas may not always be successful and that marketing and sales are crucial for bringing products to market. They provide practical tips for establishing healthy relationships with sales and marketing leaders, including lowering ego, being curious and forensic, and understanding the challenges faced by sales teams.

Chapters:

[00:00:00] Introduction and Importance of Relationships

[00:01:09] Lessons in Product Leadership

[00:04:47] Building Relationships with Sales Leaders 

[00:09:31] Collaborating with Marketing Leaders  

[00:13:18] Intentionality in Collaboration 

 [00:14:52] Engagement Beyond Leadership Levels

[00:17:53] Closing Insights  

Keywords:

Product Leadership, Marketing Collaboration, Sales Alignment, A/B Testing, Intentionality, Relationship Building, Revenue Growth, Cross-Department Collaboration, Leadership Teams, Practical Tips

Soundbites:

• “Just because you built something and think it’s great doesn’t mean it will land.” 
• “Acknowledge your ego and let it go. Behind every feedback or pushback, there’s a real problem worth understanding.” 
• “Let marketing do their job—lean in hard on a test-and-learn culture.”
•  “Think about levels—engage not just with peers but with people at different organizational levels to understand diverse perspectives.” 
• “Happenstance and winging it won’t lead to repeatable results. Be intentional about engaging across silos.”

In this conversation, Richard Ellis and Eva Daniel explore the importance of building rapport in a business context. They discuss the significance of first impressions, body language, storytelling, and active listening as essential tools for creating connections. Eva shares practical tips for new leaders on how to engage with their teams and emphasizes the need for authenticity and presence in communication. The discussion also highlights common pitfalls to avoid when trying to be likable and the value of asking engaging questions to foster deeper conversations.

Chapters:

00:00 Understanding Rapport in Business

03:28 Body Language

07:44 Storytelling to Make Yourself More Memorable

09:38 Getting to Know Your Team

10:51 Overcoming Obstacles to Rapport

15:30 What Not to Do in Building Rapport

17:34 Asking Better Questions

Keywords:

rapport, business communication, body language, storytelling, leadership, active listening, networking, likeability, first impressions, communication skills

Soundbites:

•  Rapport means instant likeability in business.
•  First impressions are made in seconds.
•  Trust leads to better team performance.
•  Body language significantly impacts communication.
•  Eye contact is crucial for effective engagement.
•  Storytelling enhances memorability and connection.
•  New leaders should share personal stories.
•  Active listening improves conversational quality.
•  Knowing names fosters better relationships.
•  Social media can enhance leader-employee rapport.

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In this conversation, Richard Ellis and Steve Graves explore the essential tasks of leadership, emphasizing the importance of purpose, direction, speed, risk, and culture. They discuss how leaders can effectively set direction with clarity and courage, navigate the complexities of speed concerning market dynamics, and understand the various risks involved in leadership, including personal life balance. The conversation also highlights the significance of cultivating a positive organizational culture and reinforcing core values to ensure alignment and engagement among team members.

Chapters:

00:00 Introduction to Leadership Purpose

01:15 The Five Essential Tasks of Leadership

05:03 Setting Direction: The Importance of Clarity and Courage

09:45 Understanding Speed in Leadership

14:30 Navigating Risk: Balancing Growth and Life

19:15 The Role of Culture in Leadership

22:00 Reinforcing Values and Behaviors

24:43 Personal Reflections and Closing Thoughts

Keywords:

leadership, purpose, tasks, direction, speed, risk, culture, values, insights, business

Soundbites:

•  "The more work you can push down, the better off you'll be."
•  "Setting direction requires clear and courageous decision making."
•  "Leaders are more engaged when they have a strong sense of purpose."
•  "Speed in leadership must align with market dynamics."
•  "Risk-taking is essential for growth, but must be balanced with personal life."
•  "Reinforcing values is crucial for maintaining a healthy culture."

 In this conversation, Richard Ellis and Eva Daniel dive into why leaders need to be great public speakers. They explore the challenges leaders face in public speaking, the importance of storytelling, and the need for practice and feedback. Eva shares practical tips for enhancing presentation skills and the attributes that distinguish great speakers. The discussion also highlights the significance of humor and engagement in presentations, concluding with personal reflections on the joy of reading and learning.

Chapters

00:00 Intro

01:25 The Importance of Communication in Leadership

03:49 Challenges in Public Speaking

06:07 The Art of Storytelling

09:04 Overcoming Procrastination and Practice

14:40 Using Voice Memos to Record Yourself

16:10 Attributes of Great Speakers

21:25 Creating Engaging Presentations

23:43 Finding Joy in Reading and Learning

Keywords

communication, leadership, public speaking, storytelling, presentation skills, feedback, humor, engagement, practice, challenges

Sound Bites

•  "Leadership is about effective communication."
•  "What are your 10 hot takes about your field?"
•  "A story brings us into the moment."
•  "Storytelling enhances message retention."
•  "Look at the energy flow of your event."
•  "Procrastination can hinder preparation and delivery."
•  "Clear content leads to confident communication."
•  "Practice in front of real people is crucial."
•  "Great speakers have unique perspectives."