Psychologists John Gartner, Harry Segal, and their expert guests, conduct weekly sessions analyzing the psyche of Donald Trump, documenting his cognitive decline and plumbing the depths of his malignant narcissism.
Dr. Gartner is a former part-time assistant professor of psychiatry at Johns Hopkins University Medical School and the founder of Duty To Warn, an association of mental health professionals warning about Trump and Trump-ism.
Dr. Segal is a senior lecturer in psychology at Cornell University.
On this last show, your favorite psychologists, John Gartner and Harry Segal, review Trumpâs bizarre speech in Quantico while explaining their decision to end the series. They are joined by Really Americanâs Justin Horwitz, as well as two very good friends of the show, Laurie Winer (author and theatre critic) and Ahmed Babba, political commentator (ahmedbaba.news).
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This feels like the last page in a long, intense book we never wanted to end, and here we are: Shrinking Trump has reached its final chapter. Dr. John Gartner and Dr. Harry Siegel sit together one last time, looking back on more than seventy episodes spent untangling the psychological knots in Donald Trumpâs presidency. What began as a clinical exercise soon revealed itself as an urgent civic projectâmapping the anatomy of malignant narcissism, tracing the reckless impulses that drove one man to breach institutions again and again, and warning listeners that unchecked power corrodes the very heart of democracy. Â
Throughout this journey, Gartner and Siegel watched what started as performative chaos harden into a systematic assault on norms. They watched pathological lying give cover to authoritarian ambitions, charisma morph into control, and theatrical stunt after stunt erode the barriers meant to protect free speech and rule of law. They sat with experts like Dr. Vince Greenwood to peer under the hood of psychopathy, describing how impulsivity and a lack of remorse propel bold grabs for powerâand leave gaping vulnerabilities in their wake. They examined the bitter aftershocks of tragedies manipulated for political gain, from the exploitation of Charlie Kirkâs assassination to the steady drip of fear tactics aimed at silencing dissent. Â
They chronicled the stealthy rise of a media empire built on consolidation and influence, where once-independent newsrooms bent beneath the weight of billionaire agendas. They warned that as echo chambers spread and fact-based reporting shrank, the story of our country risked being rewritten by those who profit from confusion. Every week, Shrinking Trump gave listeners a pair of psychological glasses through which to see behind the spectacle: each emergency proclamation, each incendiary tweet, each courtroom drama wasnât just a headlineâit was a symptom. Â
In this final conversation, Gartner and Siegel remind us that naming these symptoms remains our best defense against manipulation. Recognizing cognitive warning signs isnât armchair diagnosis; itâs an act of democratic self-defense. They urge us to stay critical of the media we consume, to question the narratives packaged as truth, and to refuse the numbing allure of constant crisis. Even as they close this chapter, they make it clear that the work continuesâbecause authoritarian tactics do not retire with a single series finale. Â
So let this be more than a goodbye. Let it be a call to carry forward every insight and warning, to keep alive the conversations that protect our shared values. Shrinking Trump may be signing off, but the fight for a better America goes on. Thank you for listening.
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Speaking at the UN was one of many dangerous decisions Trump made last week
Your favorite shrinks, John Gartner and Harry Segal, begin their analysis of the week by watching Trump suffer through another terrible press conference by RFK, Jr. From not knowing how to say the generic name for Tylenol, to his claiming Cuba has no autistic children, Trump continues to make the kind of alarming mistakes everyone should be outraged about.
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The show opens by tracing a troubling arc in Donald Trumpâs behavior: what began as calculated showmanship has hardened into an overt play for control. Traits of malignant narcissismâgrandiosity, a craving for unwavering loyaltyâand authoritarian impulses have grown more pronounced since his first term. Each lie, each institutional assault, speaks less to shrewd strategy than to a compulsive need to dominate the narrative and erode the checks that protect democratic life.
They turn next to a profound example of this dynamic: the political exploitation of Charlie Kirkâs assassination. In the wake of that tragedy, rhetoric designed to stifle dissent has surged, with shock and fear wielded as blunt instruments to tarnish any voice labeled âleft.â By framing grief as a cover for condemnation, the Trump administration reveals a classic tactic of controlâmanufacturing crisis to justify a tightening grip on speech, dissent, and public debate.
But the most insidious move may be the deliberate consolidation of media power. Gartner and Siegel outline how conservative billionaires aligned with Trump have quietly scooped up news outlets and social platforms, twisting once-independent journalism into a mouthpiece for authoritarian propaganda. As independent investigative bodies shrink, echo chambers expand, and fact-based reporting gives way to curated spectacle, the foundation of informed consent begins to crack under the weight of concentrated influence.
Into this fractured media ecosystem steps Dr. Vince Greenwood, offering a psychopathy lens on Trumpâs tactics. Greenwood underscores traits like impulsivity, emotional shallowness, and a glaring absence of remorseâqualities that have propelled Trump to outsized heights but also sow seeds of instability. He argues that these very characteristics, while enabling bold grabs for power, carry a predictable risk of self-sabotage. A misfired tweet, a rash decree or a scorched-earth feud could fracture alliances and expose the limits of unchecked authority.
That possibility, Gartner and Siegel stress, is no reason for complacency. Recognizing these cognitive warning signs isnât idle armchair psychologyâitâs a civic responsibility. When the machinery of fear, misinformation, and media monopoly begins to hum, the cure lies in active vigilance. Question the sources asking for your trust, demand accountability from outlets once deemed impartial, and refuse to accept spectacle in place of substance.
Ultimately, the path forward depends on our willingness to see beyond the performance. Shrinking Trump reminds us that every authoritarian playbook relies on confusion and emotional contagion. By sharpening our critical lens, cultivating honest conversations, and holding fast to democratic norms, we inoculate ourselves against manipulation. Tune in to this weekâs episode on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your shows to arm yourself with the insights needed to push back and preserve the open society we all depend on.
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The Jimmy Kimmel canceling is a tipping point for democracy
Your favorite psychologists, John Gartner and Harry Segal, review the insidious way the Trump administration is using the Kirk assassination to end freedom of speech. They are joined again by Dr. Vince Greenwood, an expert on psychopathy, who shines a spotlight on Trumpâs criminal behavior.
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The episode opens with a stark diagnosis: Trumpâs behavior reflects a dangerous blend of malignant narcissism and sociopathy. Gartner and Segal argue that his compulsive lying, criminality, and relentless attacks on institutions arenât just political tacticsâtheyâre symptoms of a deeper pathology. These traits, they warn, fuel a pattern of authoritarian maneuvering that threatens the very fabric of democratic society.
One of the most chilling segments centers on the political exploitation of tragedy. In the wake of Charlie Kirkâs murder, Trump and his allies swiftly weaponized the event to stoke anti-left sentiment and suppress dissent. Gartner and Segal dissect this response as a textbook example of fear-based control, where grief is hijacked to justify repression. They argue that this tactic not only deepens national division but also corrodes core democratic principles like free speech and pluralism.
The conversation then turns to media complicity. The psychologists critique how certain outlets, under financial or ideological pressure, have surrendered their independence and become echo chambers for Trumpâs narrative. This media capture, they contend, is not incidentalâitâs strategic. By dominating the information ecosystem, Trump consolidates power and silences opposition, turning journalism into a tool of authoritarian control.
Joining the discussion is Dr. Vince Greenwood, who offers a clinical assessment of Trump as a psychopath. Drawing on established diagnostic criteria, Greenwood highlights traits like impulsivity, lack of remorse, and a compulsive need to dominate. While these traits have helped Trump rise, Greenwood warns they may also be his undoing. The very pathology that fuels his power could expose vulnerabilitiesâcracks in the armor of authoritarianism.
The episode closes with a call to action. Gartner and Segal urge listeners to stay vigilant, resist normalization, and confront the psychological tactics that enable authoritarian rule. Understanding the cognitive and behavioral patterns of leaders, they argue, isnât just academicâitâs essential to defending democracy.
Tune in next week for another gripping, clinically grounded exploration of power, pathology, and the urgent need to protect democratic values from psychological manipulation.
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Epstein Files Frenzy and Court Losses Fuel Trumpâs Collapse
One of your favorite psychologists, Harry Segal, is back to describe and interpret Trumpâs strange behaviors this week, from his tone-deaf response to the Epstein-Maxwell victims to his mysterious medical symptoms. Since John Gartner is on assignment, Ahmed Baba, columnist, journalist, and frequent pundit on cable news, sits in as Harryâs guest co-host. (Check out his bestselling Substack newsletter: AhmedBaba.News.)
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They dive straight into Trumpâs two recent court defeatsâone over tariffs, another over immigration restrictionsâand ask why he keeps dragging outdated laws back into the spotlight. Rather than solving real problems, these lawsuits feel like rehearsals for the next manufactured crisis, with each loss chipping away at his claims of unchecked authority.
They turn next to ICE raids and Trumpâs fiery rhetoric about cities like Chicago. When Governor J.B. Pritzker publicly rebuked the suggestion of federal troops on Illinois soil, Baba unpacks the political calculations and racial undertones driving that showdown. It becomes clear this tug-of-war isnât just about policy; itâs about how power is flexed when constitutional guardrails start feeling optional.
The episode also confronts Trumpâs lingering ties to Jeffrey Epstein. Survivors and advocates are demanding the release of Epsteinâs files, yet Trump brushed the whole scandal off as a hoaxâan impulsive reaction that only deepens doubts about his judgment. With approval ratings sagging, Siegel and Baba trace how these knee-jerk defenses betray deeper cognitive strains, calling into question Trumpâs ability to respond thoughtfully under pressure.
Through it all, Shrinking Trump never loses sight of its mission: to spotlight the mind games at work and equip us for the battles ahead. By naming the psychological warning signsâwhether itâs crisis-manufacturing lawsuits or off-the-cuff dismissals of serious allegationsâwe reclaim a degree of clarity in a chaotic political landscape. Listening here isnât just about critique; itâs about shoring up our own defenses and reminding ourselves why democratic norms matter.
Catch this episode of Shrinking Trump on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you tune in. Youâll walk away not just with a sharper take on Trumpâs latest maneuvers, but with the language to call out authoritarian playbooks the moment they emerge.
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Trump stumbles over Epstein while aiming at Chicago
Your favorite psychologists, John Gartner and Harry Segal, present âthis weekâ in Trumpâs power grab encouraged by the Supreme Court. They are joined by the great Andy Borowitz who brings his humor and insight to this dangerous moment in political history.
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Trump announced plans to seize control of the D.C. police, declared multiple states of emergency, and threatened to deploy troops in a city where violent crime has actually declined. Gartner and Segal argue these maneuvers arenât about public safety at all but about manufacturing chaos in order to justify ever-greater power grabs.
When Trump set his sights on Baltimore, he twisted the cityâs story of revitalization into a caricature of dysfunction. Coverage of neighborhood renewal, falling crime rates, and community-led solutions vanished beneath his fearmongering. Gartner and Segal contrast the real on-the-ground progress with Trumpâs distorted narrative, showing how he weaponizes urban success to sow division.
This episode isnât a partisan broadside so much as a civic call to psychological arms. Recognizing cognitive warning signs in our leaders isnât a cheap political shotâitâs a crucial act of self-defense for democracy. By naming these stunts for what they may beâsymptoms of mental strainâwe sharpen our defenses against manipulation and reclaim our democratic norms.
Listen to Shrinking Trump on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your shows. Equip yourself with the insight to see past the spectacle and call out authoritarian playbooks the moment they emerge.
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Your favorite shrinks, John Gartner and Harry Segal, present âthis weekâ in Trumpâs cognitive decline, as well as an extended excerpt of Pritzkerâs heroic speech pushing back on federal threats to Chicago. While describing this moment in history, the two psychologists offer support and ways to cope with the anxiety Trumpâs chaos generates for all of us.
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When we revisit Trumpâs rallies and interviews this week, it feels less like campaign drama and more like a national group therapy session. Gartner and Segal track every rambling detour, abrupt topic shift, and glaring contradictionânot as mere gaffes, but as warning signals that someone at the helm may be losing his cognitive bearings.
Every photo-op, from overseas summits to tense showdowns on U.S. streets, has started to resemble a rehearsal for power consolidation. Flashing military muscle instead of engaging in normal governance isnât strength; itâs intimidation. Watching constitutional safeguards brushed aside as mere inconveniences ought to jolt us awake to the creeping authoritarian impulse.
Amid that growing unease, Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker stood up like a lighthouse in a storm. Invoking the Constitution, he called out federal threats to deploy the National Guard in Chicago and reminded everyone that local authority canât be bulldozed for political spectacle. While Trumpâs allies cheered each flex of force, Pritzkerâs words made clear that true leadership sometimes means speaking truth to power at the risk of losing applause.
Gartner and Segal refuse to leave us adrift in anxiety. They argue that naming these mind gamesâthe gaslighting, the fear-mongeringâis our first line of defense. Checking facts in real time, fostering honest conversations with friends, and carving out simple daily rituals can help us stay grounded when the political airwaves feel like a hurricane.
Listening to Shrinking Trump isnât just an exercise in critique; itâs an invitation to reclaim our narrative. When we spot the cracks in Trumpâs rhetoric and recognize his power plays for what they are, we protect not only our sanity but the democratic foundations we hold dear.
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Trumpâs pathological relationship with Putin is on full display
Your favorite psychologists, John Gartner and Harry Segal, review Trumpâs disastrous Alaska summit and marvel at how he has reverted to Putinâs absurd Ukraine talking points. They also speak with Richard Wood, eminent clinical psychologist and expert on malignant narcissism, who shares his insights on Trumpâs pathology.
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We open with a âtherapy sessionâ frameworkâour way of inviting you into a collective examination of how Trumpâs behavior has infiltrated our daily lives. Too often, political coverage tip-toes around psychological insights. Not here. We argue that to understand Trumpâs volatility, his tantrums, and his rule-by-instinct style, you have to start with his inner life.
Dr. Woods steps in to define malignant narcissism: a toxic cocktail of grandiosity, ruthlessness, and paranoia. He walks us through examplesâobsessive self-aggrandizement, zero empathy for victims, and a ferocious need to dominate. When you hear Trump lob insults or bully subordinates, thatâs not business as usual. Itâs the playbook of someone for whom status and control override every other impulse.
Too many pundits tiptoe around Trumpâs slurred speeches, jumbled tweets, and off-script rants. We donât. We break down the warning signs of cognitive fragilityâmemory lapses, word-salad tangents, even motor-skill stumbles. These arenât just gaffes; theyâre red flags that a leader who canât stay on message is a risk to national security.
Why do millions still cheer him on? In a frank discussion, we and Dr. Woods explore how Trump transforms fear into solidarity. His promises of vengeance and identity-based appeals speak to grievances deeper than policy. When democracy feels abstract, demagoguery feels personalâand thatâs how authoritarian figures like Trump cement loyalty.
We draw parallels to his moves in Washington itself: weaponizing local police, twisting museum exhibits to sanitize his image, and rewriting history to suit his narrative. Itâs not accidental. Itâs an orchestrated strategy to freeze dissent and manufacture consent.
This episode doesnât leave you helpless. We outline concrete stepsâpeer education, fact-based conversations, and refusing to normalize destructive behavior cloaked in charismatic populism. Psychological insight isnât therapy; itâs ammunition. It helps us name the tactics, defang the threats, and reclaim our public life.
If you want to see past the tweets and the rallies and understand the man behind the façade, tune in to Shrinking Trump wherever you get your podcasts. Letâs sharpen our collective lensâbecause democracy demands more than headline-chasing. It demands that we understand, confront, and ultimately shrink the power of rulers unfit to lead.
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Is Trump becoming âthe demented dictatorâ? Thatâs the question driving the latest episode of Shrinking Trump, as clinical psychologists John Gartner and Harry Segal sit down with Dan Rodricks, the legendary former Baltimore Sun columnist, to unpack Trumpâs disastrous press conference where he unveiled a plan to seize control of the D.C. police.
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They paint a vivid picture of Trumpâs recent media blitz, from declaring eight separate states of emergency to deploying troops in Washington, D.C. Rather than stemming crimeâwhich has actually declinedâthese moves feel like a staged spectacle, a bid to manufacture chaos and justify an authoritarian grip.
Heather Cox Richardson and photographer-writer Rex Huke chime in to call out the mainstream press for glossing over Trumpâs erratic behavior. Too often, anchors chase sensational sound bites instead of pressing for real answers, reducing cognitive warning signs to fleeting headlines rather than treating them as red flags.
When Trump turns his fire on Baltimore, he distorts a city on the rise into a caricature of dysfunction. Gartner and Segal contrast his fear-mongering with ground-level realityâneighborhood revitalization, falling violent-crime rates, and community-led renewalâshowing how he weaponizes urban struggles to stoke division.
Pointing out possible signs of cognitive strain in our leaders isnât a cheap political attackâitâs a civic responsibility. By naming these stunts for what they may beâsymptoms of mental strainâwe open the door to honest dialogue, inoculate ourselves against manipulation, and reclaim our democratic norms.
Tune in to Shrinking Trump on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your shows. Arm yourself with the language to see past the façade and call out authoritarian playbooks whenever they emerge. In a world drowning in noise, psychological clarity just might be our most powerful defense.
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Even Republicans canât miss Trumpâs walk on the roof!
Your favorite clinical psychologists, John Gartner and Harry Segal, observe how the media is turning again, however slowly, to Trumpâs mental decline. They are also joined by James Fishkin, professor at Stanford, whose work on âdeliberative democracyâ offers an exciting, practical opportunity to address the toxic polarity of our political environment.
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Even Republicans canât miss Trumpâs walk on the roof!
This week on Shrinking Trump, clinical psychologists John Gartner and Harry Segal break down what seemed like a headlineâgrabbing stuntâand why it feels more like a symptom of real mental decline. Theyâre joined by Stanfordâs James Fishkin, whose âdeliberative democracyâ experiments show a path out of our hyper-polarized mess.
Letâs be honest: watching a former president wander atop the White House roof felt unsettling. Gartner and Segal point out that Trumpâs public behaviorâimpromptu speeches that twist facts on the fly, sudden mood swings, zero awareness of decorumâtracks with textbook signs of cognitive confusion. The roof episode isnât just theater; itâs a window into someone losing touch with reality.
For years, major news outlets tip-toed around this possibility. Calling out a sitting or former presidentâs mental health felt tabooâuntil now. In this episode, our hosts talk through the mediaâs âreluctant pivot,â exploring why reporters and anchors finally started asking whether Trumpâs strange stunts hint at something deeper than politics.
Thatâs where James Fishkinâs work comes in. Instead of debating on cable news, Fishkin gathers small, diverse groups of regular Americans to dig deep into issues like health care or climate change. They listen, ask questions, weigh evidenceâand emerge with thoughtful, shared recommendations. Itâs not a silver bullet, but it shows how we can move past tribal shouting matches and actually learn from each other.
Gartner and Segal argue that if we acknowledge Trumpâs erratic public displays as possible signs of cognitive decline, we also owe it to ourselves to rethink how we talk politics. Simply calling someone âcrazyâ or âevilâ keeps us stuck in zero-sum battles. Deliberative democracy, by contrast, invites us to step back, pause the outrage, and rebuild trust in our collective judgment.
Throughout the episode, youâll hear concrete examples: a midwestern deliberative poll that shifted participantsâ views on immigration, a rural community that used these methods to bridge deep cultural divides, and the surprising way citizensâ recommendations often outshine party-line talking points.
By the end, Gartner, Segal, and Fishkin land on a hopeful message: diagnosing cognitive red flags in our leaders is more than a media spectacleâitâs a civic duty. And once we see how easily even big egos can lose track of facts, weâre better positioned to demand standards for everyone in power.
Tune in to Shrinking Trump on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your shows. Itâs short, itâs sharp, and it might just change how you think about our political future. Because in a world gone mad, understanding mindsâand learning how to talk through our differencesâcould be our best shot at saving democracy.
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Finally, Trumpâs grip on the country has begun to slip
Your favorite clinical psychologists, John Gartner and Harry Segal, observe more signs of Trumpâs cognitive decline as well as his loss of support among independents. Is it starting to look like 2020 all over again?
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In the latest episode of Shrinking Trump, Gartner and Segal zero in on the cognitive strain that underlies every forced grin, every meandering rant, and every outrageous claim. They map out the mental gymnastics Trump employsâdeflecting questions, denying well-documented facts, and firing off wild accusationsâto sidestep accountability. What emerges is not just a political playbook but evidence of a mind under unbearable pressure.
Watching Trumpâs public performances through a psychological lens reveals a pattern of malignant narcissism tangled with genuine confusion. Every time he labels critical reports âfake news,â he isnât merely spinning a narrativeâheâs exposing the cognitive dissonance of someone struggling to integrate reality into his own version of events. Gartner points out that this relentless backpedaling and reinvention of the facts are classic defense mechanisms, signaling a shrinking capacity to process new information.
The episode then explores Trumpâs combative war on the media, dissecting how he weaponizes executive power to intimidate dissenting voices. Segal lays bare the authoritarian undertones of these moves: by threatening networks, he blurs the boundary between government oversight and outright censorship. The psychologists warn that normalizing these tactics erodes democratic norms and endangers free speech, reminding listeners that silencing critics is always the first step toward unchecked power.
Shrinking Trump also brings in trauma expert Matthew Ditty to unpack the national fallout of sexual-misconduct cover-ups. When institutions protect accused offendersâespecially at the highest levelsâthey retraumatize survivors and fracture public trust. Dittyâs insights underscore a painful truth: justice delayed or denied isnât just a legal failure; it deepens societal wounds and stalls collective healing.
Gartner, Segal, and Ditty connect these threads to paint a stark portrait of an administration teetering on cognitive collapse and authoritarian drift. They highlight new polling showing independentsâ support slipping as they grow uneasy with erratic behavior and empty promisesâechoes of the 2020 backlash that nearly derailed Trumpâs first term. These arenât isolated missteps; theyâre symptoms of a presidency fraying at the edges.
Understanding the psychology behind Trumpâs unraveling isnât an exercise in academic curiosityâitâs a frontline defense of our democracy. By tuning into Shrinking Trump, youâll gain the tools to spot the warning signs of cognitive decline, call out authoritarian playbooks, and demand accountability from those in power. This episode arms you with both knowledge and urgency to keep our leaders honest.
Listen to âShrinking Trumpâ on your favorite podcast platform today. The country needs clear eyesâand a strong willâto push back against confusion, coercion, and cover-ups. Only by staying informed can we ensure truth, justice, and democratic integrity prevail.
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