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Second Press: A Wine-ish Podcast

Hosted by Brad Horne @winetimelondon & Dan Kirby @dnkrbywine

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the "wine-ish" podcast for the curious and the kindred. we go behind the obvious to explore the people, culture, and business of english wine and beyond. the radio show for the wine industry. hosted by dan kirby and brad horne, featuring honest stories from the winemakers, writers, and experts defining the wines we love.

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sp#18 - tommy grimshaw: the philosophy of winemaking and friendship

Saison 1 · Épisode 18

lundi 21 septembre 2026 • Durée 38:27

the first of a couple of episodes over the english wine harvest, chatting to some of the best winemakers in the country. firstly we catch up with, perhaps a hungover, perhaps just in a reflective mood tommy grimshaw. we chat through his winemaking style, and outlook on a peaceful life guided by the grower vignerons of champagne.

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sp#17 - jancis robinson: wine is geography in a bottle.

Saison 1 · Épisode 17

lundi 7 septembre 2026 • Durée 26:43

we’re just absolutely delighted to have the actual jancis robinson on the show this week. we discuss the launch of the 9th edition of the world atlas of wine, how easy it is to remain enthusiastic, and a convenient love of travel planning.

[00:00] intro and news

[04:30] actual jancis robinson interview starts

[05:02] discussing the 9th edition of the world atlas of wine

[06:22] climate change and sustainability

[11:15] choosing new regions for the atlas

[17:03] mw tasting and theory tips

[20:13] life outside of wines and travel plans

[21:10] tv spots as the first wine influencer

[24:14] wrap up

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sp#16 - stefan neumann MS: one of the world’s leading sommeliers

Saison 1 · Épisode 16

lundi 24 août 2026 • Durée 38:51

we catch up with master somm, stefan neumann this week, studying wines as soon as legally possible to find the perfect food and wine combinations, while serving raymond blanc trousseau for breakfast.

[00:00] intro

[01:02] wine trade news

[06:43] stefan neumann ms: from austria to le manoir

[14:15] an early start to the ms journey

[15:30] studying hard for the exams

[21:02] giving back to the next generation

[24:14] blind tasting courses and teaching

[25:06] what excites stefan about wine now

[30:00] life beyond wine: fitness, gardens and other passions

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sp#15 - liz gabay mw & ben bernheim: the pink.wine episode

Saison 1 · Épisode 15

lundi 10 août 2026 • Durée 38:38

after a turntable week where dan plays rugby and brad goes to a gig, we're joined on the show by elizabeth gabay mw and her son ben bernheim who together run pink.wine, a platform for events, tastings and masterclasses in their specialist subject of rosé wines, in all shapes and sizes.

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[00:00] – intro, wildfire concerns and introducing elizabeth gabay mw and ben bernheim

[07:20] – the gabay-bernheim double act: family, masterclasses and “brutal, honest” wine tasting

[08:35] – liz’s journey into wine, from a first wine book to provence

[11:05] – how liz went from disliking rosé to writing the first rosé book

[14:20] – how provence changed the way the world thinks about rosé

[15:35] – old provence: rustic wines, old notebooks and what the region used to be

[18:35] – underrated rosé regions: portugal, spain and the diversity of rosé

[23:00] – the danger of reducing rosé to one style

[24:00] – quirky old rosés and the wines that have disappeared

[24:20] – life outside wine: hiking, santiago and walking through vineyards

[27:00] – the future of rosé and where the category goes next

[30:00] – favourite rosés, old wines and the wines liz and ben would drink on a desert island

[32:30] – old riesling, mw dinners and interview wrap-up

[33:25] – life outside the interview, luke combs and what brad and dan have been up to

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sp#14 - nelson pari: stories from a life of music and wine.

Saison 1 · Épisode 14

lundi 27 juillet 2026 • Durée 48:48

the episode that we couldn't bring ourselves to edit down, a long chat with nelson weaving our way from the jazz clubs of soho to the cellars of barolo.in the news this week we look at the trend towards chilling red wines, and how it has started to creep into mainstream consciousness, congratulate emma denney for winning the uk sommelier of the year, and spend a little time mulling over new generation wines recent purchase of bancroft wines and what that might mean for two businesses we know well.

we’re joined by nelson pari, a wine buyer, educator, judge, podcast host and jazz guitarist. he’s also known for one of the most popular wine tastings ever at 67 pall mall, his single vineyard barolo masterclass. nelson seems to like telling a story or two, drifting off on tangents, and pulling in metaphors and examples from arts and music and video games to illustrate a fascinating life in music and wine. so much so we couldn’t really bring ourselves to edit this down, so take a little extra time out of your day and listen to the full interview, we think it’s worth it.

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[00:00] – intro and wine news

[06:00] – introducing Nelson Pari

[07:00] – ditching music for wine

[09:45] – joining 67 Pall Mall

[14:45] – what the wine trade can learn from the music industry

[16:20] – career, self-reliance and finding your niche

[18:00] – mike best, and putting together the podcast

[22:15] – judging wines and the responsibility to buy them

[25:15] – 67 pall mall's barolo tastings

[34:20] – Modigliana, Italy's next great wine region

[38:10] – video games, philosophy and life outside wine

[41:55] – wrap up

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wine industry digest – the week in wine every friday

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sp#13 - andrew johnson: the brutal reality of the wine trade

Saison 1 · Épisode 13

lundi 13 juillet 2026 • Durée 37:56

this weeks news from the wine industry digest looks at the trade headlines, including champagne’s early harvest and the wsta board changes.

andrew johnson from woodwinters joins us to discuss the brutal realities facing the uk wine trade. we deep dive into the practical side of agency life, navigating cash flow pressures, and the evolving landscape of restaurant wine lists. andrew shares his love for the current south african and italian wines and laments the loss of the wine trade friday lunch. he’s an advocate for greece too, with a new greek wine scholarship project aimed at championing indigenous varietals for the on and off trade.

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[00:00] – opening and wine trade news

[01:07] – champagne on course for its earliest harvest ever

[02:44] – whispering angel invests in premium alcohol-free

[04:27] – steve finlan joins the wsta board

[05:25] – andrew johnson joins the podcast

[06:06] – from classical music to the wine trade

[09:07] – building woodwinters and why south africa keeps winning

[14:31] – what buyers really look for in a wine

[18:35] – cash flow, agencies and the realities of importing

[21:28] – the uk wine trade: restaurant closures and a long road ahead

[25:35] – why greece is one of wine's most exciting regions

[27:24] – exclusive: the greek wine scholarship

[29:52] – cooking, music and life outside wine

[32:09] – death row wines: giacosa, assyrtiko and champagne

[35:10] – interview wrap-up, cambridge wine festival and sign-off

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sp#12 - caroline gilby mw: bulgaria, croatia and eastern europe's wine renaissance

Saison 1 · Épisode 12

lundi 29 juin 2026 • Durée 33:51

news this week doens't get too political, but does briefly cover the wine industry, tracking a slight decrease in hospitality insolvencies alongside the evolving landscape of english still wines at the winegb awards. our guest is master of wine caroline gilby, who joins the conversation to look at the historical trajectory, post-communist evolution, and marketability of central and eastern european indigenous varieties. we also travel north of santiago with concha y toro's marcello papa to quickly chat through the viticultural dynamics, water constraints, and golf handicaps that define premium chardonnay and pinot noir production in the limarí valley.

caroline gilby mw joins us for a chat about the post-communist quality revolution and native grape varieties of central and eastern europe.

a look at why declining hospitality insolvencies and shifting english still wine trends matter for the trade..

marcelo papa joins us for a chat about golf and pacific breezes in the desert vineyards of limarí.

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00:00 – introduction and recording during english wine week

01:08 – trade news: hospitality insolvencies, winegb awards, the rise of english still wines, and sir ian botham's latest english wine collaboration

05:13 – interview with caroline gilby mw: from horticultural scientist to master of wine and eastern europe specialist

09:26 – why eastern european wines disappeared from the uk and how gilby became the region's leading authority

11:30 – indigenous grape varieties, pronunciation challenges and selling eastern european wines in the uk

14:49 – tourism, rising quality, decanter judging and the future of central and eastern european wine

18:24 – slovenia, bulgaria and why elegant, terroir-driven wines are reshaping perceptions of the region

21:33 – life outside wine, mountain running and gilby's apocalypse wine choice

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sp#11 - rachel signer: natural wine, italy and anti-optimisation wine culture

Saison 1 · Épisode 11

lundi 15 juin 2026 • Durée 38:19

in the episode 11 news we skip over the commercial realities of the uk wine trade a decade after brexit, brad ponders about putting afew bids in the auction of rare historic sherries at christie’s, and we couldnt resist wading in on steven bartletts self-hyper-optimisation woes. as an antidote to that author and winemaker rachel signer joins the conversation to discuss her new book, how to drink natural wine, detailing her impulsive journey from brooklyn restaurants to italian vineyards, field blends and falling in love. we finish with a recap of the picpoul de pinet tasting, oyster competition dramas, and a legendary 1978 rhône magnum from the cellar.

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[00:00] – episode 11 opens with reflections on the london wine fair special

[00:00] – live interviews at the fair apparently worked better than expected

[01:15] – brexit ten years later and what it actually did to the wine trade

[06:22] – segue into this week’s guest and anti-optimisation natural wine philosophy

[07:05] – Rachel Signer interview

[07:13] – restaurant jobs, brooklyn and accidental entry into wine

[07:30] – discovering natural wine without formal wine education

[12:27] – food, pleasure and discovering wine culture properly for the first time

[13:08] – falling in love with natural wine, winemaking and her husband simultaneously

[17:32] – natural wine as flavour purity rather than ideology

[23:33] – natural wine bars, restaurants and building the book visually

[24:36] – why people should actually buy the book instead of just hearing excerpts

[27:42] – parenting, travel and balancing family life with wine work

[35:53] – post-interview housekeeping and substack discussion

[35:58] – Jamie Goode joins substack

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sp#10 - london wine fair: the trade show that feels alive again.

Épisode 10

lundi 1 juin 2026 • Durée 33:42

dan’s voice is hanging on by a thread after three days at london wine fair, but there’s still plenty to get through, with three interviews recorded live from the london wine fair floor.

first up is Larry Cherubino talking margaret river chardonnay, italian varieties in australia, concrete fermenters and why modern australian wine is a long way removed from the old blockbuster stereotype.

next is Matthew Brown making the case for virginia wines, cabernet franc, acid-driven whites and why “emerging region” might be the most tired phrase in wine.

finally, Sarah Abbott arrives with strong opinions on london wine fair, “buyers only” tasting culture, talent development in wine, dancing, dogs and surviving trade week physically intact.

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[00:00] – intro, destroyed voices and surviving london wine fair

[01:24] – Charlie Holland takes over at WineGB

[02:27] – london wine fair actually feels good again

[03:26] – hospitality vat debate and why restaurants are struggling

[06:07] – Larry Cherubino on margaret river, chardonnay and modern australian wine

[13:18] – Matthew Brown on virginia wines, cab franc and cool climate drinking

[18:04] – “your cellar tells people what you don’t drink”

[21:15] – Sarah Abbott on london wine fair, “buyers only” culture and talent development in wine

[29:27] – english charmat wines and modern clairet chat

[31:20] – podcast growth, listener feedback and meeting people at the fair

[33:17] – sign-off

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sp#09 - christelle guibert: messing with wine judges and judging sommeliers

Saison 1 · Épisode 9

lundi 18 mai 2026 • Durée 39:06

this week we sit down with christelle guibert, who shares her brilliant journey from decanter tasting panels to stepping away as chief executive of the iwsc to focus on direct hospitality mentorship.

we chat about running unvarnished experiments on expert judges, the scientific reality of palatal fatigue, and why she decided to personally buy out the uk sommelier of the year competition. stay curious, but perhaps don't get up on stage to compete unless you're really ready.

we're also joined by alexandre ambassador for aop picpoul de pinet, to talk about their upcoming trade tasting on june 8th in london. link to register is over on the substack.

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00:35 - brad and dan recap a relentless week and outline the bumper double-interview show.

00:53 - trade news: analyzing the commercial impact of the c&c bibendum and matthew clark merger.

01:56 - industry push: winegb's campaign to embed independent merchants into english wine week.

02:57 - trade logistics: expectations and plans for the upcoming london wine fair.

03:15 - international news: taittinger launches its official 2026 world cup champagne.

04:16 - interview: welcoming christelle guibert to the second press studio.

04:26 - a casual sidebar into the acoustics of dan’s ancient wooden accordion.

05:03 - christelle’s backstory: moving from france to boodles and the early mentorship of steven spurrier.

06:07 - building decanter’s tasting department from scratch during the early digital boom.

07:56 - media evolution: managing institutional trust and developing global wine awards.

09:29 - the ethics of blind tasting: running duplicate bottle experiments to test judge reliability.

10:23 - academic collaboration: partnering with will lowe mw to study judge performance data.

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